For Love of Country with Tulsi Gabbard ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #050
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Tulsi Gabbard was born in American Samoa, raised in Hawaii, and served in the U.S. Marine Corps. She grew up on the island of Oahu and went on to become the first woman elected to Congress from Hawaii to serve in the House of Representatives. She was a member of the Democratic National Committee for eight years and served as Vice President of the United States from 2006-2009. She is also the sister of former Vice President Joe Biden, who served as his running mate in the 2008 campaign and is now running for President in 2020, and is married to Joe Biden s older brother Joe Biden. She is a regular guest on the Roseanne Bar and Grill, and has been a long-time supporter of his campaign and has worked with him to get him re-elected as a third party candidate in 2016 and is running for re-election in 2020. In this episode, we talk about her life growing up in the service, her political career, and what it was like growing up on Oahu, and how she ended up in Washington, D.C., where she became the first female member of Congress from the District of Columbia, and why she loves coming home to her home island of Hawaii. Thank you for listening to this episode! Roseanne Roseanne is a comedian, songwriter, singer, and songwriter from Los Angeles, California. . and is a proud daughter of the late Senator Joe Rose, who died on June 18th at the day after being diagnosed with colon cancer at the age of 49. and died at the next day at age 50. in a helicopter crash in a week later that day in a month after being told she had a brain tumour. This episode is a must-listen to hear this amazing story. Thank you so much for listening and for supporting Roseanne and her daughter, and for sharing it with the world. Roseanne, I am so grateful for her support of her daughter and her husband, Jake, and I hope you enjoy this beautiful daughter and husband, her beautiful daughter, her amazing husband, and her amazing family, her wonderful husband, Joe. , and her beautiful family, and so on and so much more! Love you, Jake and I appreciate you, my love, Jake. Love, Jake - R.J., R.A. (R.J. is a good friend, R.E. ( )
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Before we start this episode with Tulsi, I just wanted to run a couple things by you.
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June 17th, June 18th, and June 19th, my mother is performing
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I know most of you who watch the show are huge fans of mine.
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I'll be in the crowd if you want to have a drink, but you have to buy tickets first.
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Secondly, YouTube, as you know, has demonetized us.
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Rumble has been wonderful, so I'd like to say that if you really want to support us,
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We still do clips and shorts, but I just don't really want to push YouTube anymore.
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I hate them, and I don't know why we would continue to be on a platform that hates us
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So the show is now still on YouTube, but it now drops Friday morning at 2 a.m.
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The audio is released wherever you get your audio podcasts, and then we do a live at 7 p.m.
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Anyway, thank you so much, and enjoy the episode.
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Greetings, humans, earthlings, and others, and any members of the animal kingdom who
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might be tuning in because they love the melodious tunes of my fabulous voice, and people are
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We are so excited because we have as a guest today someone I have followed for a very long
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time because I sort of consider her to be a sister of Hawaii, Tulsi Gabbard.
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I was born in American Samoa, but my parents moved us to Hawaii when I was around two or
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Grew up on Oahu, all different parts of the island.
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And through the military and through politics have left for long periods of time.
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But even when I served in Congress, I was in Washington, D.C. for eight years in Congress,
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And even as frequent as the back and forth was, it was never easy to leave.
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And I don't know exactly what, but I think some of it might be political.
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And I'm only bringing this up because I identify with you in so many ways.
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But the ability to change your mind and the continual growth of ideas and perspectives
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is something kind of inborn into Hawaii and the culture and the people of the longing for life
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and the love of creativity and ideas and, you know, all those beautiful things that we have there
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that are sort of missing when you come back to the mainland, you know, in some way.
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Yeah, you know, I attribute it to that aloha spirit.
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And, you know, it's something that I talk about and have shared with people everywhere I go,
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around the world, across the country, just sharing the really powerful spiritual meaning
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Because people are like, oh, okay, does it mean hello or goodbye?
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But that spiritual meaning behind the word, the reason why we greet each other with aloha
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is because of the spiritual connection that we have as children of God,
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and how it allows us to just cut through all the crap and the labels.
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Are you a Democrat or Republican or black or white or Christian or Hindu or most,
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It allows us to have that meaningful engagement and that respect.
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That connection that transcends all of the labels so that, you know,
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whatever the topic of conversation may be, whatever the circumstance,
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we walk away having elevated our own learning experience,
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our own ability to communicate and have that heart-to-heart dialogue.
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But I think that so much of that being a farmer over there,
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which is what I love about the big island that I live on,
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But the people who are stewards of and protectorates of and connected to the land and nature and
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the beauty that we see every day, the breathtaking beauty that we see every day also feeds that
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spiritual longing that we have that you don't get in concrete places, you know?
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That connection and that sense of responsibility.
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And it's such a powerful word because it speaks to the fact that what you said,
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we are stewards of the land, not consumers and exploiters.
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And that can be applied to every aspect of our lives.
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When we walk through our lives with that mentality of kuleanas, what is my duty?
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What is my responsibility as a person who's occupying space in this world?
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And who's connected to a community of those we love.
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That was what got me involved with politics in the first place in Hawaii.
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Yeah, because I wanted to get into this whole thing about like Hawaii basically being an
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aina place, you know, where it's like, it's kind of one.
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It is in a way all for one and one for all because everyone takes care when somebody,
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you know, don't turn their back and go, I'm sorry, you don't have the right insurance papers.
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Even if it's to bring an extra can of beans, you know.
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And I think that that was like a great part of why Hawaii is such a socialist country.
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I always call it that, you know, and I was drawn to that when I went because I was so
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My parents raised us and my grandparents, so they were like the old kind of socialist
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where it was about labor, like people being paid fairly.
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Back where I think people recognize that, you know, in our society we look out for each
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other, we take care of each other, and what government's role in society should be, not
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to overreach or mandate or direct every aspect of our lives, but to make sure that, as you
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And that was what people ask me all the time because I was 21 years old.
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I made a decision to run for office, primarily motivated by my love for the INA, for the
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And my, you know, I grew up in the ocean and, you know, hiking in the mountains, and this
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And I saw too many politicians, frankly, who didn't care about any of that.
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And, but I had to decide what party I was going to run under because it wasn't, I wasn't
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raised in a political home in the sense of you're a this or you're a that.
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Um, and I ended up choosing the Democratic Party largely because at that time it was
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still that traditional, uh, traditional values in the sense of a President Kennedy type of
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Democrat, a Reverend Martin Luther King type of Democrat, a party that, as you know, in
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Hawaii's history, it went from being a Republican controlled territory to, to total Democrat takeover
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because it was the Democrats and the union leaders who went in and fought for the plantation
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workers and the immigrants who were basically being treated like serfs, like they were being
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And as soon as one group stood up and said like, Hey, we're not going to stand for this.
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This was not what we consigned the contract to come and do.
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Then they would pit the Filipinos against the Portuguese and say, fine, you guys don't want
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We're going to go and pit this other group against you.
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And so it was, it was the Democrats who came in and said, no, we must stand together for each
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Now the town I live in on the big Island is the town where the labor rights started.
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And, and so that's where you look back at, you know, that was a democratic party that
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welcomed people from all different backgrounds, a party that still celebrated and actually
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fought to defend free speech, uh, that civil liberties was critical.
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Uh, even if they didn't like what you were saying, they would, they would fight for your
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And, and that's just where, um, you know, and this is, this is why I wrote a book about
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why I left the democratic party is because people will draw assumptions like, oh, you've
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been a Democrat for 20 years and now all of a sudden you changed.
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Well, we'll look at where the democratic party.
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I just look at the different ways of getting there.
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And there's so many people who, who feel exactly the way, uh, that we do right now with
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Something as basic and fundamental as free speech.
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We can't, we can't take that for granted anymore because the people in charge of the
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democratic party today, number one, they don't reflect the rank and file Democrat, Democrats
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And they are actively saying, yeah, no free speech.
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It's the first book that I've ever written and it really, um, it talks about my personal
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experiences and, and, and it talks about and diagnoses the ways that the democratic
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party of today are, are threatening these most fundamental values and principles that
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make us who we are as Americans and that make this country, the great country that it
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The one we love and fought and died for and paid for as well.
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we won't take a forced, uh, medication of any sort.
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And, and, and the fact that even during that whole COVID period, uh, and I know you know
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this very well, cause you've been on the receiving end of this is just saying things
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Maybe there are alternative treatments that you can pursue.
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Maybe we should listen to these other doctors instead of you ruining their lives and censoring
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could be treated or how they could, uh, preemptively, you know, try to stay healthy.
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When do you think that big change came, the big crackdown, the big lockdown where the
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Democrat party went, I guess, Stalinist or whatever it is, or fascist, both maybe.
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To me and my experience, and I'd be curious to see what you experienced, but I was serving
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I was elected to Congress in 2012, uh, representing the big Island, representing, um, basically
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all of rural Hawaii, except for the downtown urban corridor of Honolulu.
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What I saw was a huge shift in change was when Donald Trump was announced.
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And the Democrat leadership, that was 15 going into 16 in that 2016 election.
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And, you know, it went from the initial period of just like, oh, it's Donald Trump.
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Uh, and these are, these are part of the Washington establishment.
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Uh, but once they realized that he was striking a chord in the country that the Washington elite
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And that's where, of course, Hillary Clinton started waging the whole, you know, he's a Russian
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You are not to say, there's a couple things you can't say.
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And number two, you can't liken the victim, the victim point of view that the Democrat
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Party's trying to force down everybody's throat, which is exactly the plot of the movie Planet
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We can't allow these human beings to have a bolder or a voice.
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And they did it in Egypt and they did it in Iran and now they're just doing it here.
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You mentioned that you can't mention the Muslim Brotherhood.
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But that's a byproduct of what is this deeper underlying threat?
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And there's such a powerful connection to what you're talking about and what you experienced
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Because I went through the same thing during President Obama's reign while I was in Congress.
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I got a lot of crap from the Democrat elite in Washington because I was pointing out the fact
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that in terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS and everything else, yes, we're battling them.
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But you have to not only wage a kinetic warfare, they are waging an ideological warfare around the world.
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Their goal, the goal of Islamism by definition is to exert governance and control over the world according to their Islamist rule.
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And so under the Obama administration, they stopped, while I was in Congress, they stopped saying that these are radical Islamist terrorists
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and changed the terminology to say they are violent extremists.
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And they refused to wage that ideological warfare.
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So fast forward to where we are now, both here in the United States and around the world,
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still these Democrats are afraid of calling out this ideology for what it is and how it poses the greatest short and long-term threat
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to freedom and civilization because they're afraid of being called Islamophobes.
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And so what happens on our college campuses when you have all of these college students yelling pro-Hamas mantras and
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chants and saying, you know, pro-genocide against the Jews and October 7th, 10,000 times over and over,
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it's because of this failure by leaders in the West to wage this counter ideological warfare, which is essentially one where we stand for freedom.
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Because they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they love the idea of a caliphate.
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You know, when you really study like the whole economic thing and you go, okay, just rampaging capitalism is a pyramid, right?
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You got a whole bunch of people supporting a little tiny amount on the top.
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So here comes Marx, because I did all this study on it and he inverts that pyramid.
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And then when it crumbles, a caliphate comes in.
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And that's what they like because most of all, they despise women's rights.
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I don't know why people can't see that that's what this is at the base of it, is to obliterate woman as a sex, as a protected class.
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They are trying to erase the word woman from the English language, from government documents and regulations.
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Through the stroke of a pen, undid over 50 years of progress for women and girls.
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And, of course, bypassing our own democratic process of Congress.
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Like, if you want to go do that, take it to Congress and see if you can pass that legislation.
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And wasn't the Democrat Party for women's rights at one time?
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But they're inverting it from abortion in Roe v. Wade.
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They don't want women to have rights because you can't have an abortion easily.
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A friend of mine called it the perverse reverse.
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They want total control and total power over every aspect of their lives.
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It is so short-sighted, though, as they are undermining our democracy, undermining the rule of law, undermining our fundamental freedoms, because at some point there will be a shift in power.
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And then what are they going to do when they're on the receiving end?
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They've set this new norm that this is what it's going to be in America if we as voters allow them to continue.
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And if they're successful in doing that, when the powers shift in the other direction, they will be the ones who will likely face censorship.
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They will be the ones who likely face the kinds of political oppression that they're waging against their political opponents today.
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Well, there are so many different ways it could go.
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I mean, I don't think any of us really know, because it could be like if Trump does win and is elected, that riots just hit every street corner in this country.
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Because that's one that I think about a lot, that there is no election.
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I think that given everything we've seen so far, how brazen they are weaponizing the Department of Justice, waging this lawfare.
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Yes, of course, most prominently against Donald Trump.
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But they're also doing it very quietly against everyday Americans.
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For exercising their right to freedom of speech, freedom of expression.
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Was this like incremental, like in Nazi Germany?
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It didn't just start overnight in Nazi Germany.
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The first thing was you had to register for a phone if you were Jewish.
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And it seems to me like maybe incrementally, Trump might have stepped in and messed with their timeline a little bit for those four years.
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And so they had to hurry up to catch up where they would have been if he hadn't been elected.
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Yeah, you know, there's certainly the uniparty of Washington, of warmongers, who they never hesitate to take away more of our liberty with the excuse that they need to do so in order to make us more secure.
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I get into this in detail in my book is they think that, well, all of this was necessary in order for us to secure our country and make sure there was not another 9-11 style terrorist attack.
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But the reality is there were not as big as that day.
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Well, they were trying to pass these authorities to violate our civil liberties.
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And spy on everyday Americans long before 9-11 ever happened.
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And rightly enough, there were people in Congress saying, no, that's unconstitutional.
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And they jammed all of this stuff in legislation called the Patriot Act.
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But didn't that suspend our Constitution in a way?
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And they told people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich and others who had the courage to
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Anyone who votes against the Patriot Act is a traitor to our country who is inviting another
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And so they fear-mongered and browbeated and bullied members of Congress into submission.
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I think there was only one U.S. senator that voted against the Patriot Act courageously because
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It seems to me like all of that Patriot Act shit was just a way to open the treasury
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And then they can just, yee-haw, three billion went missing.
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They never got call on the carpet for any of it.
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They sold, you know, they left our weapons in Afghanistan.
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And it's proven so many of those weapons were used on October 7th against Israel, which
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that was the subject and the context of my tweet that got me fired was that the Iran deal
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was an existential threat to the people of Israel.
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And I knew it because I'm a Jew, so I studied that part of the world.
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And it's like they still go, oh, you said someone looked like a monkey.
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I mean, just their stupidity, it's irritating to me.
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Well, their tactics, what they did to you is like the oldest tried and true tactic that
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they use because they refuse to have a dialogue based on substance.
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Where you're making a substantive statement or an argument, they refuse to come back and
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say, no, Roseanne, you're wrong because of X, Y, or Z.
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Instead, they resort to censoring, canceling, name-calling, and smearing.
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And they do it, unfortunately, because it works.
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But this is where I have some hope that the tides are shifting a bit because more and
00:30:39.480
more Americans are turning off the traditional news channels, whether they be cable or newspapers
00:30:49.440
And they're looking, there are so many other alternative sources of information now, primarily
00:30:54.620
through podcasts and other things that people have access to at least a broader spectrum of
00:31:02.320
information to be able to make their own decisions for themselves, which is what this
00:31:10.140
I was going to ask you because I was reading that your original religion is that you were
00:31:22.460
But for us growing up, I never knew what sectarianism was.
00:31:28.660
There was never any point where like, all right, kids, you got to choose.
00:31:36.100
They really, we went to sleep at night with bedtime stories from both the Bhagavad Gita
00:31:44.180
And religion, real religion, I understood from a young age, is about love for God.
00:31:50.620
It's not about what building you go and worship in or really the label that you call yourself.
00:31:56.480
It's about developing your own personal loving relationship with God.
00:32:02.280
And that's, that's, that is what I try to center my life around.
00:32:06.880
That is what motivates me to do what I'm doing is if I can-
00:32:09.320
I heard you just talking about becoming a Christian and your love of, you know, Jesus
00:32:18.620
No, there's, there's no shift at all, quite frankly.
00:32:21.360
It really is about, you know, what, what is Jesus Christ's first and foremost commandment?
00:32:26.460
It is to love God with all of your heart, your, your mind and your entire being.
00:32:31.700
And it's second to love your neighbor like yourself.
00:32:34.200
The essence of his first commandment is the essence of, of Lord Krishna's teaching in the
00:32:42.320
Bhagavad Gita, which Bhagavad Gita means song of God.
00:32:48.540
He is all knowing, all powerful, all beautiful, all loving.
00:32:51.700
And, um, so, so there, there's no, there's no shift or difference in really the heart of
00:32:58.580
what I, I know to be the real meaning of, of religion.
00:33:04.120
You know, so, you know, Judaism is so much like Hinduism and a lot of Jewish people call
00:33:13.260
Because there's so much in common there as there is with Christianity, with everybody.
00:33:19.280
Uh, but I wanted to talk to you about the Christian thing because you said you have hope.
00:33:26.540
I have great hope because I know that in Iran, Christianity is spreading like wildfire.
00:33:35.180
I didn't know if, I don't know if you knew that, did you?
00:33:38.660
And, uh, I feel really hopeful about that because the first thing they do when they become Christian
00:33:47.560
in Iran, um, I told people this before, but I was in Israel, I'm, you know, I told you
00:33:53.020
Anyway, so we were, uh, in Israel and our phones rang.
00:33:56.940
This was 10 years ago and it was people in Iran and we don't know how they got our phone
00:34:04.440
And they said, we just want you to know that the people of Iran love you.
00:34:14.000
And then we began a very long conversation with those people, which I was having in my
00:34:29.980
And so that is like opening people up just to open up to new ideas is just the way the
00:34:38.300
And with love, instead of, you know, division and needing to be right and hate and all that.
00:34:50.840
I wanted to also say, you know, I ran for president as a socialist in 2012.
00:34:57.180
Because I was part of a woman's group that helped kick Monsanto off the big island.
00:35:05.460
But, uh, in my process of seeing that it was just the very same thing of fleecing people
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It's funny because through my time in Washington, I would hear from a lot of, whether it's a Washington
00:39:00.140
think tank or the people who make up that elite in Washington.
00:39:03.680
And so often, and you still hear this to this day, they see populism, the word populist, as a negative thing.
00:39:11.600
They talk about the rise of populism in America and the world and the great threat that this poses.
00:39:17.380
And I had a conversation with someone one day in my office and I said, what's wrong with populism?
00:39:23.500
Because to me, by definition, populism is the rise of people standing up for what's in the best interest of the people.
00:39:32.240
And they reveal their hand because they're afraid of that.
00:39:36.500
Because they, and this is what's at the heart of everything that the Democratic elite are doing today is they see a free people as the greatest threat to their power.
00:39:46.240
That says more about them than it does about the rise of the people.
00:39:50.300
They hate the idea of states against the big bloated federal government.
00:39:55.400
That's why they freaked out when they overturned Roe v.
00:39:58.560
Wade because it went back to, hey, it's between a woman and her doctor and the community.
00:40:07.740
And a bunch of crazy people that scream in the street.
00:40:12.500
Which the Democrats, that's how they, that's how they sold it.
00:40:20.460
And it is like, you know, going back to the power of the woman and the community and the small government.
00:40:27.780
That they hate because that suggests that people have the power to elect their representatives to create the legislation.
00:40:38.040
That stays in the community, doesn't go to the Ukraine, the money.
00:40:44.260
That level of accountability, which is so difficult and lacking right now.
00:40:51.740
They want more and more centralized power because that is who they are.
00:40:59.400
And they can't have, they can't have that centralized power if you have more power that's decentralized first and foremost to the individual, which is what our founders envisioned for us is that individual liberty and therefore that individual responsibility and to decentralize government power.
00:41:15.940
So as much as possible because you then have that direct relationship with your, you know, city council member or your state representative or even your elected representative to Washington.
00:41:29.060
I, you know, I, you know, I, I've seen so much.
00:41:32.500
And, and like you said, in every part of our lives, we hope that we listen to what's going on around us.
00:41:38.120
We learn from our experiences and we grow for some reason in politics.
00:41:41.760
That's like not allowed, but that's what I would hope for, uh, for our elected leaders.
00:41:48.980
Uh, and I've, I've seen so much and, and learned so much throughout my time serving at every level of government and seen how even those with good intentions in the federal government, who, as we started this conversation, who want to do things to help those who are in need.
00:42:03.980
And the answer isn't more big government as the greatest employer, the greatest employer, the greatest caretaker, or the greatest educator, you, you know, you, you felt you, there are basic essential services.
00:42:19.260
Like, Hey, how secure our country, secure our borders, our streets, our secure streets.
00:42:26.760
I like when you, when you look at, um, you know, you look at things like education.
00:42:46.080
I was not homeschooled, but I wish I was, to be honest.
00:42:50.440
I had to teach myself a lot after high school, after I dropped out of college.
00:42:57.560
I didn't know until I was 20 that I could learn.
00:43:08.200
No, it's, it's just, you know, the community where we are in Austin right now.
00:43:14.160
And, you know, Austin is a very different place than Hilo, Hawaii.
00:43:19.880
Or, or any other, you know, uh, East Palestine, Ohio, or, or what pick, pick your, your, your
00:43:25.880
small town or your big city anywhere in the country to think that a federally mandated
00:43:30.880
curriculum or standard for education, uh, and method to deliver that education should
00:43:42.740
It's completely racist though, because the ones left behind are largely, uh, children
00:43:49.860
of color, particularly African American children.
00:43:53.840
It's, and I think it's designed that way because they take the poverty money, they pocket all
00:43:59.760
the money, they take public funds and put them in private pockets.
00:44:07.320
And they don't want, and part of that is, again, they don't care about actually educating
00:44:12.020
They won't give parents the right to decide whether or not they want to use our taxpayer
00:44:16.380
dollars to go to a charter school or a private school or to homeschool.
00:44:22.220
That's getting off the plantation, as Candace Owens says, you know, uh, because they feel
00:44:27.500
entitled that they think they own the working class.
00:44:34.000
Because they think they vote Democrat no matter what.
00:44:37.500
And they think that we exist to work for and fund and support the bureaucracy.
00:44:45.680
The 30% of people who vote for Biden and them work in the bureaucracy and they're only
00:44:51.920
voting to protect their frigging cushy job and benefits.
00:45:00.540
As a veteran, I've deployed to three different war zones.
00:45:06.640
And, and there, there are a lot of good people who work in the, in the veterans affairs department,
00:45:11.080
but there are also a lot of people who, uh, are, are bought into and are the bureaucracy.
00:45:20.460
And so when you call for help or you call to make an appointment, they treat you, uh,
00:45:28.280
And we see this across so many different government entities.
00:45:31.220
Every time I face that, I just, I can't cause I'm, you know, just such a negative, hateful
00:45:42.600
But I, I have, and plus some people think I'm funny, but I'll go like, I'm sorry.
00:45:48.820
But, um, you know, but, uh, yeah, it's a, it's an entitled, uh, in this entitled thing
00:45:57.820
they got that they can, they can just do anything.
00:46:00.400
I mean, can you even believe Hillary Clinton is still walking around?
00:46:06.020
I mean, you know what, you talked a little bit about the election and could it be suspended?
00:46:11.060
First of all, I think any, anything is possible.
00:46:13.200
We can't be complacent and think that there is a boundary they're not willing to cross
00:46:16.880
because they've shown us that that doesn't exist.
00:46:18.820
Well, they're making up these crimes that aren't even crimes against Trump.
00:46:24.620
It's about time he paid for lifting that bandaid off that pillow.
00:46:31.900
I mean, we laugh about it because it's so insane, but unfortunately it's happening.
00:46:35.880
But one of the things that, uh, someone brought up the other day to me was, oh, well, you
00:46:40.660
know, you know, maybe they want to get rid of Joe Biden as their presidential candidate.
00:46:46.880
And do you think that they will replace him with Hillary Clinton at the Democratic Convention?
00:47:03.360
Well, she can't be nice for five solid minutes.
00:47:19.140
So around 15, 16 is where we all kind of were like, something's up.
00:47:23.740
Then the Wasserman Schultz emails come out and all the corruption that Hillary is behind.
00:47:28.820
And I just want to take people through the timeline that listen to our show that don't
00:47:32.700
So right when Trump did announce, you were a rising star in the DNC at the time.
00:47:38.800
I feel like Hillary and the powers that be and Debbie saw you as a potential threat to
00:47:54.740
I think that, because we talked about that earlier in this podcast when that split happened.
00:48:00.940
I think it was when Bernie and that Bernie bro movement happened that Hillary was like,
00:48:11.480
She saw you getting a little bit of that shine and Bernie.
00:48:14.840
And I think that's when the Democrat Party went insane.
00:48:17.040
Because a lot of people don't know at that time, she had loaned money to the DNC.
00:48:21.840
And she said, basically, and no short- I can't believe people don't know this.
00:48:25.760
Basically, I'm going to fund you and you're going to do everything that I tell you.
00:48:39.620
Because you did say this one time, and I don't want to get you in trouble, but when all this
00:48:43.700
stuff was moving against you after you destroyed Kamala and ruined her political career-
00:48:57.800
So that right there is kind of what I'm getting at.
00:49:00.240
You had said- I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you had said something along
00:49:03.720
the lines of, I think now I know who's pulling the strings.
00:49:11.640
Back during that time, and you're not- I don't disagree with anything that you said, Jake.
00:49:16.440
Like, when I resigned as- I was a vice chair of the DNC.
00:49:20.200
Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the chair of the DNC.
00:49:23.700
I- I- first of all, I got a call two weeks after I was sworn in as a brand new member
00:49:28.760
of Congress asking if I would be vice chair of the DNC.
00:49:33.020
I had no- I- I literally, I was like, what is a vice chair of the DNC?
00:49:38.300
What do you want for- what are you asking of me?
00:49:41.220
You know, I thought, hey, this- if this is an opportunity where I can try to bring about some
00:49:46.440
Um, but- but it was during that primary between Bernie and Hillary, obviously there were a
00:49:50.840
few other candidates, but there's really a race between the two of them-
00:49:55.880
One was that they were tipping the scales heavily in favor of Hillary Clinton, uh, and
00:50:01.340
defying what the rules of the DNC are, which is, as officers of the DNC, you don't get involved
00:50:09.080
And- and number two, um, you'll remember that people talked about Hillary Clinton at the
00:50:14.880
time as the most qualified person ever to run for president in our country's history.
00:50:25.780
I was shocked by it because, you know, yeah, she's got some fancy titles, but what bothered
00:50:29.440
me the most and why I resigned and, and, um, endorsed Bernie Sanders was because there was
00:50:35.820
no one in the media who was questioning, okay, well, fine.
00:50:41.200
What are the consequences of her decisions, both as secretary of state, as U S Senate, as
00:50:47.460
And especially because she's acting, act asking to be president and commander in chief.
00:50:51.840
And so for me as a soldier and as an American that mattered a whole lot, uh, Bernie, as we
00:50:57.600
know, has long held more non-interventionist views.
00:51:00.880
Hillary Clinton is the queen of warmongers who still reigns today.
00:51:04.920
And, and my endorsement of Bernie was largely around that issue and to be able to have a
00:51:09.100
platform to expose Hillary Clinton for who she really is to the American people.
00:51:17.060
But what, what I didn't fully expect and what really did open my eyes was the very day after
00:51:24.320
I made that announcement, it was a Sunday on meet the press.
00:51:28.420
I didn't tell anybody my decision until I announced it on live television.
00:51:33.060
I went to work in Congress the next day and had a lot of my Democrat colleagues, former
00:51:38.440
colleagues come up to me just saying, you just committed political suicide.
00:51:43.280
And, uh, I will write like your, um, you know, eulogy for your political death and, and saying
00:51:52.280
like there is a shit list that the Clintons have and congratulations, you are now on it
00:52:00.280
And Hillary Clinton will be president and you as a member of Congress representing Hawaii will
00:52:07.920
It doesn't matter how badly your constituents need funding for new bridges or roads or infrastructure,
00:52:13.720
you will get nothing because of this decision that you just made.
00:52:20.260
And then a few weeks later, again, this, this also surprised me a little bit, but I was
00:52:24.100
doing an interview at the first presidential primary debate.
00:52:27.820
I think it was the first between, um, or at least it was the first that I attended between
00:52:32.280
Hillary and Bernie, uh, an MSNBC reporter said on live television, it was in Miami, uh, aren't
00:52:38.560
you afraid of what the Clintons will do to you?
00:52:50.460
And then, and then of course the targets were painted on my back and they still are to
00:52:55.180
Which is why I love you even more now, actually, because it is, it's a scary person to go up
00:53:02.920
But you just, you know what helps listen to the, listen or read the 91st Psalm.
00:53:11.900
You know, once you, once you're tuned in and you're, you know, and you're connected,
00:53:16.280
there's nothing that can, there's nothing that can stop what's coming.
00:53:24.160
And intelligence from the American people united that that is, and that's the call to
00:53:29.640
action that's at the end of my book and that I'm delivering everywhere I go is, is exactly
00:53:36.140
that we can have agreements or disagreements on, you know, healthcare policy or education
00:53:42.240
policy or how we solve the great challenges of our time.
00:53:45.860
But, um, we have to come together around our fundamental principles of freedom and what's
00:53:53.720
our rights that are enshrined in the constitution and bill of rights, because if we don't, if
00:53:59.040
we can't come together around those, um, those principles in this election at this time,
00:54:05.700
I am, this is the most important election of my life and these freedoms will be lost.
00:54:11.680
Of every, every empire, every country and everything.
00:54:18.160
And it is about the elite and those who are abusing their power versus the people.
00:54:23.320
It is those who seek to take our freedom away and those who appreciate and celebrate freedom.
00:54:29.180
And we have to come together to save our country.
00:54:32.120
And, and what does that mean in a practical way in this election?
00:54:35.400
That means voting out president Biden and Kamala Harris and those who abuse their power
00:54:41.380
and take our freedom away in this election in November.
00:54:44.120
And then it's like reorganizing from top to bottom.
00:54:48.720
Along the lines of the people will vote for who they choose as their legislatures from
00:54:58.020
And, uh, what I see, uh, so hopeful about that, I, I really see it happening.
00:55:03.900
I really see people becoming engaged in the local level, you know, that's what we have
00:55:12.960
And, uh, you know, I think they hate us so bad, the, uh, owners, they just despise us
00:55:22.320
They want to inflict harm, nonstop terror and nonstop harm on the American people.
00:55:35.760
Isn't it just the UN coming in and taking over and making us a UN client state?
00:55:42.000
Agenda 2030, UN agenda 2030 to take over the United States and Obama already signed
00:55:48.700
Well, this, this decision that's before president Biden right now has to do with the, uh, world
00:55:54.860
health organizations pandemic treaty, which is a part of that.
00:55:58.640
And again, this is one of those things they make sound nice.
00:56:01.400
And of course we in the, as, as a member of the global community, we should all come
00:56:07.580
But what they're not telling the American people is that we would cede much of our sovereignty
00:56:13.700
and our authority to make our own decisions through a representative government to this
00:56:18.720
global organization made up of people who are globalists.
00:56:24.220
And who don't believe in the rights of individuals to make our own decisions for ourselves.
00:56:45.520
So they can, you know, create a disease and then come up with the antidote.
00:56:54.220
That's, that's like, I'm, I'm, as you're saying that I'm thinking of, of, you know, so
00:56:59.720
much of what's wrong with our own so-called healthcare system and how, you know, they create
00:57:04.720
big pharma comes in and says, okay, here, you take this drug to treat this thing.
00:57:08.540
And then we'll give you another drug to treat the problems that, that, that other thing
00:57:13.720
And then meanwhile, and again, I, I know this from a lot of veterans still today, a lot of
00:57:18.320
my friends who are going to the VA and they're saying like, I'm, I'm struggling with this,
00:57:22.940
whatever the problem may be, whether it be a physical challenge or a mental health challenge.
00:57:26.600
And they walk out with a, literally a bag full of 20 different kinds of drugs, each one
00:57:32.900
layering on top of the other, but none of them actually dealing with the deeply rooted
00:57:38.220
challenge or problem that that veteran may be facing, which, which again, just shows like,
00:57:44.780
Do you actually care about people and care about, uh, you know, identifying what is the
00:57:53.720
Of course they don't work a captive population and they can do experiments on us.
00:58:03.160
And people don't want to see it because it's horrifying, but that's where it's at.
00:58:10.460
And that's where, as you said, I, that's where I, I see as bad as things are getting and have
00:58:16.640
And as dark as the times may seem, I, I, I am hopeful because even those who don't pay attention
00:58:24.860
to politics, traditionally people are like, I don't like politics.
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It's getting harder and harder to ignore when you have a little girl who's going to school
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I sit, I have two daughters and I, and I tell them, you know, they fall and I'm like,
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And someone's like, why are you so hard on them?
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And I said, because she's going to have to compete against men, biological men pretending
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And even then, the men that are around that identify as men, they're weak.
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You know, the thing about the Second Amendment, though, I think is, again, has become one of those hyper-politicized
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issues and one like every other one of our rights in the Constitution.
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We got to go back and look at why did they pass the Second Amendment after the First Amendment.
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Because the Second Amendment protects the First Amendment.
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That in an environment, they foresaw that at some point we would face an increasingly tyrannical
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government seeking to take away our liberties and our right to free speech.
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And that the Second Amendment serves as that check on the power of those who are abusing
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their power and turning our country more into something that resembles a banana republic
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and a dictatorship than one that represents a truly constitutional republic.
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Like one guy, the president, signs away generations of women's sacrifice and work by himself.
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The only recourse that we have, yes, we can challenge this.
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And there are people challenging this in the courts, which is one of those co-equal branches
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of government that serves as that check on power.
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But also, it's through exercising our right to vote.
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And there are too many people, and I keep harping on this, because there are too many people
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in our country who don't vote, whether they think that their vote won't count, or they
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think that, well, it's just the government is too powerful, we don't matter anymore.
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Our founders envisioned a country where the power would exist within the hands of the people,
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that we are the ones who get to decide who works in our government, who we vote for.
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And how we decide to change, because that's how we got rid of slavery, because we had the
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ability to change, ingrained in our constitution.
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When we realized something was wrong, we had the ability to change it.
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They want to divide us through this fear mongering, through this divisiveness, through this race
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baiting and racializing everything, because we are weaker when we are divided and when we
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And so we have all of the power to bring about this change, but it's only if we choose to
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Well, I just am asking for all the people who've never voted for once, do something different
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We've got to throw the bums out, save our country, and reorganize it.
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We can't have criminals at the top that get away with stealing all our money.
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My hope is that I want to ask you about the future, because here's what I think is real
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a great thing for America, is the people in every community, in every state, get to see
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That was envisioned too, but they stopped that with the Federal Reserve.
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But to actually see where our tax money in our community is apportioned, that will be
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We can't have accountability without transparency.
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How do we hold people responsible if we don't know what they're doing and we don't know how
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And the fact that, again, we go back to the uniparty of warmongers, the fact that leading
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Democrats and Republicans stood against strongly Rand Paul's amendment that simply would have
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said, hey, we need an inspector general, which is essentially someone who is watching.
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When you send hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine, we just went through over two decades
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in Afghanistan where there was a specifically appointed inspector general to account where
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those dollars went and who told the American people there were trillions of dollars that were
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There were trillions of dollars that went to the military industrial complex.
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There's all this money that just disappeared in thin air and was never held accountable
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But why then are these Democrats and Republicans in Congress so opposed to that very same appointment
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of an inspector general to tell us where the money's going in Ukraine?
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How about we get an inspector general over the investments of Congress and then we make
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I introduced legislation, Roseanne, when I was in Congress that did that, that if you're
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a member of the House or the Senate, if you are married to a member of the House or Senate,
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and if you're a senior staffer for those members, you don't get to trade in stocks in
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any way, shape, or form as long as you hold that position.
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Because whether you're doing it or not, the perception, perception is reality.
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And why should you have that special treatment to do things in insider trading that you are
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also very ready to throw private citizens in prison for, for doing the very same thing?
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Well, how about they all invested in inoculations?
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And then when people figured that out, they pass a law to hold all the pharma companies for
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They just are protecting their own criminal ass.
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They have nothing to do with the American people.
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And we're paying and we're working our lives away to pay them to do that to us.
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We're paying for our own demise and the destruction of our own country.
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You and me should run for president and vice president.
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But just to give ideas, because these things need to be heard.
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They need not to be called crazy and laughed at when you ask for accountability for our public
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Well, if they deny it, then you know they're guilty.
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Well, we already know they're all guilty for what they voted for.
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I mean, they voted for more money to leave our country.
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Well, I do know, I hate to bring this up, but we're probably going to have to wrap up
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soon, but we have listeners to the show that are across the political spectrum.
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And there was someone, a few people had asked me to ask you this question.
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I already know your answer, but I just want to get it on tape.
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But your early statements on Israel and the funny of Israel and your current statements,
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Well, first of all, just the overarching context that we should make our foreign policy decisions
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under in this country is what serves the best interests of the American people.
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And so when we look at different situations like Ukraine and you look at different situations
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in different parts of the world, we should make that decision.
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And if so, how, based on does this serve the best interests of the safety, security, and
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But when you look at what's happening in this proxy war against Russia, and I'm just using
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the two to compare, that is a war that is undermining our security, pushing us closer
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Do you think that's all to cover up their crimes?
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There's, you know, it's serving the interests of the military-industrial complex.
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It's furthering something that a lot of these neocons have wanted for a long time, which
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They have no articulated idea of, okay, well, if that's your plan, who's the next guy that's
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And is he going to be better for our security interests?
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Everybody who knows what's going on in Russia says, no, the next guy in line is going to
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be an even more hardline radical than Putin is.
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So, again, short-sighted decisions that are counter to our national security interests.
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This is a war that our president should have immediately stepped in to try to negotiate
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The biggest military experts of today have said the only way this war ends is if there
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How many Ukrainians have died all because the president of the United States and his
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cronies have not only not led a negotiated end to this war, but have stood in the way
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of other leaders of other countries who've tried to broker a peace agreement and told Ukraine,
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So they've got the blood on their hands of every Ukrainian that's died in this war.
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So you look at this war between Israel and Hamas right now.
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My position is that Hamas, like every other radical Islamist terrorist organization, poses
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And so, yes, we have an interest for the safety, security, and freedom of the American
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people to defeat these Islamist terrorist groups like Hamas, both from a kinetic standpoint,
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a military standpoint, as well as from an ideological standpoint.
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Why do you think that messaging is getting lost in America?
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Because they are equating Ukraine and money laundering and the war party.
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And they're kind of seeing as a similar situation.
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It's like, oh, here's another foreign war we're getting.
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And we try and educate them on this, and they're like, well, of course you're part of the Zionists,
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Well, and that, I think that speaks to it right there, is there are unfortunately people
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who, and you, I'm sure you face this, and you're more directly, personally aware of this
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than most people, but there is such a hatred of Israel by a group of people who are otherwise
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reasonable and open-minded, and you can have an open dialogue and conversation with around
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But when it comes to Israel, there's just a different standard that's applied, which is
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Well, it's just, for me, it's like, I'm going to call me, say this, when I study it, it's
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like, you know, Obama has a lot of influence over there in Tel Aviv, like he has in Columbia
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University and, you know, San Francisco, you know, liberal bastions.
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He's got a lot of, I call him Obama Jews over there, and they think the same way.
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They didn't like their Department of Justice, because they make laws by judicial fiat, such
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They don't involve the people in any of their laws.
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They just get some elitist judges in a room, and they decide what the law is, and they like
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It's the elitists and the owners, and they also gave so much money to Hamas, and I always
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Certainly, it's certainly, again, this is, and this is, it's certainly in Qatar, where
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Well, yeah, that's where all the money comes from.
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Well, that's what I was going to bring up, the college campuses and the, there's a, that's
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That, you know, people who share our non-interventionist views, we also have to be realists and understand
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that as much as we would like to live in a peaceful society where there is no war, which
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They are, and, and again, there, there is an unwillingness to, to understand that those,
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of course, we, we don't want to see the suffering of the Palestinian people and needless loss
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Their goal is to exterminate all Jewish people and wipe Israel off the face of the earth
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and implement this Islamic caliphate that will take away, you know, from, from a broader
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sense that will take away the freedom that we love and cherish.
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Well, they would take Israel and then come here.
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And how do you, how do you negotiate a ceasefire with a, with an Islamist terrorist group that
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They have no interest in saving the lives of innocent Palestinians.
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And so, you know, even like, how do you, how do you even have a, have a, a common sense
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conversation around, um, you know, a Hamas led Palestinian state?
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That's what they want with no Jews living in it.
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I mean, it needs to be like, you know, when we went in Germany and all those places,
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we had to invest in re-educating people and, you know, I know they don't have any interest
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in being re-educated, but there has to be something besides just, uh, endless war and
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There has to be some kind of incentive or something.
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And I really feel there will be, because I really think that we're at a desperate time
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and I, I'm one of these people like you, I'm assuming, but you know, I think, I think
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the prayers of a lot of people united together to ask God's intelligence to descend on our
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I am one of the many who, who, you know, my daily prayer, uh, to God is to ask for that
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intelligence and that clarity and that, um, and that courage and strength to, to be a voice
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