It's a Vibe with Berry Gordy IV ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #082
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1 hour and 34 minutes
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176.21048
Summary
Barry Gordy Jr. joins me on the show to talk about his new book, Living Life Before Words: How God Created Us and why we should all live a life before words. We talk about the importance of words, and why God created them.
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You know, I'm trying to come up with a new thing besides my old one, which was always greetings, earthlings.
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I think I'll just stick with greetings, earthlings.
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I love it. You talk about animals. That's what we are.
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Because I'm saying they are so much more advanced spiritually than us, because they don't have
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to bullshit their self or lie or try to get one over on the other animals.
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Hello. I can't wait to start talking to you. Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.
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We have a banger times 64, as was Hanukkah. We have a banger show today with Barry Gordy Jr.
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Which I love that, that your name is B4. That's so, so very cool. And you sent me your book,
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which is entitled Life Before, Living Life Before Words.
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And I am so on about all of that, and always have been, but needed to read it in your, the
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way you put it, to know that I've always known this. It was beneath words, or above them.
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Well, that's kind of, in a way, biblical, because it's like, you know, when they made that Tower
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of Babel, that was to confound language, why everybody would be speaking a hundred languages
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But, yeah, animals, they do better on this earth than we do, simply and maybe, because they
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Well, they don't use words, and we're animals too.
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And that's why life is so complicated, because we're living two lives.
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We're living, we always live our true life with God.
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We feel our emotions, our instincts, our intuition.
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But, when we created words, we put words on top of those emotions, and that's why life
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is so complicated, because we're fighting these feelings all the time.
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We know what we feel, and then the words never represent what our true feelings are, ever.
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Now, how old were you the first time you knew that you were called to say things in
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Okay, but just go to, where's the beginning of you?
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And it was a long story with my father, because I love my father so much, and it was very confusing
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My father, the father and son, strongest, best friend, second strongest.
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And then he was my boss, the chairman of the board.
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I used to work, you know, my father founded Motown.
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I mean, it's so not, it's just for me to say for a minute, as a person who lived through
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It wasn't just founding Motown, it was a change of the American landscape in every possible
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And I was a kid during it, and it was something we never have seen the like of since.
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I mean, just for me looking at it from the outside, not being in there, you know, it's
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And, you know, I actually saw him do it from the beginning.
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You know, I was four when Motown was, you know, when he founded Motown.
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But I developed such a love for my father, my best friend.
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And when he, so I was working in the company at 25, and he promoted me a little too much.
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And so we had an argument one day in the meeting, and he had two or three other executives there.
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And he listened to what they had to say, but he didn't really listen to what I had to say.
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And he was right, because I didn't know what I was saying.
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And so we argued, and then there was a little voice came into my head, says, the stronger
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you are with your dad, he will respect you more.
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And I didn't want the other executives to see me cry.
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I was in the meeting, and I went and sat on the piano bench while my dad continued with
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I said, I don't understand why I don't understand my dad.
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And so then God spoke to me then and said, in order for you to understand your father,
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And then God said, just consult your real truth.
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God said, you also created a false truth, the truth that you let everybody else see.
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And so in order to find who you are spiritually, you have to consult the real truth exclusively.
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And so I left Motown for two and a half years and I went on this spiritual journey.
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And that's when Living Life Before Words came to me because, and the first thing that came
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to me about Living Life Before Words was the fact that we're animals.
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And then by understanding that, I understood myself, which means I understand a man.
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And then once you understand man, then you're going to understand your father.
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And then once you understand your father, you understand someone outside yourself, then
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So that's how Living Life Before Words came to be.
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So for two and a half years, I mean, I crowned everything.
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I did all the stuff that was coming out of order.
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Or you were just on a, like, I don't know, quest kind of thing.
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Yeah, but you were writing a lot, meditating a lot, living off the grid.
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You know, the first day I was licking my wounds, but then I found myself.
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And the bottom line is that we're animals before words were ever created.
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We're a perfect animal, just like all the other animals.
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And we're no different than all the other animals either.
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But every animal has maybe a unique physical body.
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Yeah, and so then I started dealing with words.
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So anyway, that's a long answer to your question.
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But you, well, I think that that comes from the fact that, like, the first thing I was
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reading in your book is that it was your dad that said you could do whatever you want
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I knew you was three at some point, but what happened at three?
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So what happened was, you know, living in Detroit, love Detroit, shout out to Detroit.
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I mean, you have to be strong in Detroit to survive.
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And anyway, my dad, this was before Motown, actually, at three years old.
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And I'm going to, my household was a typical household.
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I had my mama, my sister Hazel, my brother Terry, my younger brother Terry.
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But my grandmother was there all the time, Gigi.
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So my dad, he was having a tough time making money.
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That made me laugh because we did that too, hiding behind the blinds with the lights on.
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Yes, we'd just stand up off the couch and just go in, open, go through the kitchen, open the door and stand on the steps.
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Yeah, it was a routine and it was a game to us.
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But they would get on my dad for not making money.
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They used to say, hey, you know, he would look like a whoop puppy dog.
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And so growing up, you know, your dad's supposed to be the king in the castle in the house.
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My grandmother was the king, you know, and he knew it.
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So what happened was, after they had an argument and my dad called me in the room, he said,
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And he looked down at me and I looked in his eyes and he was very sad, you know, because
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And so he looked at me and said, son, if you always tell me the truth, you'll never get
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And this way, I'll be able to trust you and you'll always be able to trust me.
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And so I thought about it for a minute because I used to lie a lot.
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And whenever I told the truth, I would still kind of get in trouble.
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But about a week later, I tracked some mud into my bedroom or something.
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And my dad called me in and says, did you bring that mud into your room?
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So I was thinking I should stay with my brother, Terry.
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I said, I said, take a chance on this guy, you know.
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And I could feel that today when I said, just the same feeling.
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Because I used to, he used to spank me really well, a lot.
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And I could actually feel the chill come up and down my spine when he hugged me, you know.
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And from that day on, from three, I started trusting him.
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And that was a challenge because we're conditioned to lie.
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We're talking about surviving is the most important thing for animals.
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And I got to the point where I said, with my dad, I said, because my mind would always come in with an alternative to win.
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Every time I said, then I got to the point where, just tell them.
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So when I was 25 in Motown, I had all that going for me.
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And that's how I found Living Life Before Words.
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But he implanted a love of truth in you, right?
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He would have to be to accomplish what he, because, you know, I mean, excuse me, but a-holes don't accomplish to that level.
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I think you're right, and you have to be very smart.
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And I think being truthful is spiritual, you know, and it's a God thing.
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I mean, to me, it's so amazing, honestly, when I look back, because I look at him as my dad, but then I step out and look at him as what he's accomplished and how he accomplished it.
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I was there on day one, pretty much, when he bought the Motown.
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His family, his brothers and sisters, had a fund, the Gordie Fund.
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And he and his older sister, Esther, Aunt Esther, managed it.
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And he went to her to get a loan because he wanted to start the record company.
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And he went in for $1,000, but she gave him $800.
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I don't know how it worked, but he went and got a house, the one on West Grand Boulevard, the Motown Iconic Building.
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And he, you know, so I was with him when he did it, but he brought in all these great, talented people, and he had to manage these people.
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But my dad was a songwriter before, he used to work at Ford Motor Company before he started Motown.
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He wrote Jackie Wilson's, you remember Jackie Wilson's?
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Well, you heard Repetit, To Be Loved, you know, and all these songs.
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And that's, so he wasn't making no money, but he wrote those songs.
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So I'm just, when I look back and see how he managed all these great stars, because they were coming in, they were just kids, but he managed them and brought in great writers and talented people.
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Like he wasn't having any big old sex parties and such, I imagine, right?
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Like I was mentioning, he met, he wrote Jackie Wilson's hits.
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And then he, he met his best friend, Smokey Robinson.
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And when he was, he was in, my dad was in Jackie Wilson's manager's office because my dad was kind of a big deal, although he wasn't making money.
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He was writing Jackie Wilson some hits, you know.
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And so Smokey Robinson came in there for Jackie Wilson's manager to manage him with Smokey Robinson, the matador.
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And then, so my dad, so my dad, so the manager didn't like him.
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And kind of, I'm going to say kicked him out the office, but I might be in dramatic, but he said leave, you know.
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And they left and I call him Uncle Smokey because that's when my dad introduced us when we was three.
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So he put his, you know, songs on his arm in his loose bookcase or whatever and walked out.
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And my dad went after him and said, I love your songs because my dad was a songwriter.
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And then he's, so Smokey had a hundred songs that he wrote.
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And my dad said, listen, your lyrics are great.
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So my dad was, he knew the business of writing songs.
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And so he structured Uncle Smokey, you know, how to write.
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You know, Richard Pryor said Smokey Robinson was the greatest American poet of all time.
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And he's got, you know, when you're around him, he's poetic when you're just talking to him, to be honest with you.
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You know, you just say, hey, man, and he'll come up with something.
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So what happened was, so they were best friends.
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And then Uncle Smokey told my dad, he says, hey, man, you can do better than this.
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Maybe you should start your own record company.
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And so my dad said, yeah, if I start a record company, you know, I'll be able to pay the writer's right.
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And so that's when he went and borrowed $800 and started it.
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And my dad's philosophy for Motown was very simple.
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My dad used to write, used to work on, in Ford Motor Company, on the assembly line.
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So what happened was, dad envisioned creating a record label to create stars, just like the assembly line.
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You know, you have all the parts at the beginning, and it goes down the assembly line,
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and it ends up being a spanking new, beautiful car.
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So he would want to get artists, unknown artists, and make them and create them.
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It's kind of like a finishing school, like send them to this to learn that.
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With the polishing, with the dancing and all that stuff.
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My dad was interested in hit songs, hit songs, you know.
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And so he started, that's how we started Motown, and then Smokey had a big influence on that.
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And Smokey was one of the first real big writers at Motown.
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You know, you beat me to the punch, Two Lovers.
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And my dad got a great guy called William Mickey Stevenson to, he was a young kid.
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So they got him in there to be the A&R director, which got all the Funk Brothers, which is the Motown band.
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So my, so, you know, just watching my dad, how he did these things was just amazing to me.
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Because, but he's a good person, smart, and talented.
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And he had a vision, clearly, with the assembly line.
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I mean, his ideas are still used and proven to be, I mean, it's just, I mean, it's too bad that they've been misused by lesser people.
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But he knew how to give us what we want as an audience.
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It was so amazing because here's a black-owned company competing against, you know, established, you know, like, it was a civil rights area.
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And for him to break through, you know, he had a great support team.
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And, you know, and he had to get talented people to come in and, and had to put it all together.
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But he had some great things that he used to do, you know, to get the songs played.
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And, you know, he had just philosophies, you know, he created a quality control department.
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He made, you know, where all the songs would be.
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Anyway, I can go on and on with, with it because it's so, with so much.
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And it was really, really, you know, incredible just to be there and see that stuff, you know.
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Well, then that puts you as, you know, the son, the, I don't want to say the watcher, but the viewer kind of thing.
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So that, of course, influences you to where you go to in creating your philosophy.
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So that's why I'm saying when I'm reading your stuff, I can see how you had such a broad view.
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I mean, you were given such a broad view just by virtue of having that be your dad and all that that meant.
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So, you know, because, and that's why I actually wrote the book, Living Life Before Words, is because I want to share this with everyone because they have it.
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And how do we take words out of stuff and make stuff better?
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Well, the first thing you got to recognize is that you're living two lives at the same time.
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Well, just your instincts, your emotions, they're never supposed to be used with words.
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The thing about us, if we want to see who we are, just look at animals.
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And so the first thing is to understand that we really are our own unique animal.
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Then, and we've been this way for two to six million years roaming around Earth.
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But then about 10,000 years ago, human civilization.
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See, we weren't human until about 10,000 years ago when the word was created human and we put it on top of our animalness.
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And what makes us imperfect is we're living life.
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But instead of reacting naturally without the words, now you're acting and then words tell you what you're feeling.
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See, our primary language is the language God gave us.
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A secondary language is what we created as humans.
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And those words can never represent at all what God's language tells us as an animal.
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So we're actually having this conflict all the time with our feelings and then words.
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And we're never supposed to think with words by God.
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It's like Jesse Lee Peterson always talks about.
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In fact, most meditators, I say, go along with that.
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But sometimes, maybe because you're trained or something, well, you do need to read the words.
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Well, to understand what the heck you're doing.
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Well, when I read your words saying that we have, you know, an internal real soul self.
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And then we have this fake self over it that's protecting it with words because they don't want anybody to get at it and snuff it out.
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And I think everybody in the world has lived that.
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But they wouldn't have never put it like, hey, I got a fake self surrounding my soul to keep monsters away from it.
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They wouldn't have put it like, hey, I got a fake self.
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They wouldn't have put that together without words.
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I just want to clearly understand what you're saying.
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So words are important, but they're not the most important.
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In other words, words are a secondary language.
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See, if we know they're a secondary language, then we'll treat them like they're secondary.
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But what we do is, as humans, word means everything to us.
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Yeah, we think everything starts with the word.
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So we put so much value and importance on words.
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Well, okay, you say brainwashed, but I say we're conditioned from our early.
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We're conditioned from an early age for this new language.
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Yeah, I can agree with once I get to the thought behind the words, I can always agree.
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Yeah, so what happens with words is words, since it's our secondary language and we make
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it our primary language, it's what makes our life so complicated.
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It's because we put too much emphasis on words.
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Yeah, to separate the two and figure out which one is more important.
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And words are very important for the reason words were created is because when we became
00:37:05.920
human 10,000 years ago, the purpose of human civilization is to protect ourselves from our
00:37:14.740
So we collectively, as a species, decided to create a civilization so we can be civil inside
00:37:27.160
And with the words, we put, that's where words come into play and become very powerful because
00:37:32.920
we create laws, we create regulations, you know.
00:37:40.980
So therefore, in civilization, we want to protect ourselves from, you know, the wild animals.
00:37:50.380
So we have laws and regulations and rules you can't drink till you're 21, you know.
00:38:01.840
That's another reason there's a conflict because we're wild animals still.
00:38:07.540
That doesn't mean living an honest life as an animal.
00:38:11.900
And so we're in society now, but the words control us.
00:38:21.100
You know, that's, you know, it's the two lives that we live.
00:38:24.700
But the lives that we have created with words is a made-up life.
00:38:39.380
Which I always feel that when I, you know, you know, because what I do in my private time,
00:38:48.380
it don't fit in with what I have to do when I'm going around working, in the working world.
00:38:58.840
Like, what's so beautiful is you want to live your honest life.
00:39:16.320
And with the control of society, you have a governor, you have a president, you have a prime minister,
00:39:22.000
you have all these different rules to tame our animal self, our honest self.
00:39:29.660
So therefore, words, and they're representing God.
00:39:33.580
They're saying what you can't do, you can't cross the street, you can't jaywalk.
00:39:36.660
As an animal, you know, we're going to run across the street in time.
00:39:39.760
I mean, how many times have we not seen any traffic and we run, you know, because we're animals.
00:39:45.640
You don't see a lion in the jungle talking about, you know, okay, what time, you know, let me, you know.
00:39:59.000
And now we're in society wanting to control us.
00:40:08.980
But since we created words 10,000 years ago, now we're controlling the situation with societies, you know,
00:40:17.200
instead of being in a free jungle as an animal.
00:40:20.360
And that's where it is because we're going to always be an animal.
00:40:23.080
We're going to always have our instincts and emotions.
00:40:24.880
But with words, we want to, we being, society wants to control how we feel with the words.
00:40:33.000
Words, you know, it all depends on how you use that word because every word carries an energy.
00:40:42.680
So if we go back, because that's about anarchy, right?
00:40:46.240
Well, I mean, if there was no government, you know, and then how we would live if there was no government.
00:40:52.040
Because they say, like, everybody would be kind of in their rational self-interest.
00:40:59.600
But the thing about it is it's a choice to live in society.
00:41:03.700
So we can choose to be our animal selves and go off the grid or go and don't have to have no rules with nobody as animals do.
00:41:11.100
But if we choose to live in society, it's because we want the protection.
00:41:17.100
So I'm not saying it's a bad thing to be in society.
00:41:22.960
No, you're talking about deep analysis of constructs, which is what's needed.
00:41:28.820
But the most important thing is we're making a choice to do that.
00:41:36.020
My whole thing is I just want to bring clarity.
00:41:42.060
I'm just presenting them for people to look at.
00:41:48.620
And you can find it all if you just take away the words.
00:42:00.000
And I notice when living life, the purpose for me for living life, for sharing living life
00:42:07.560
in four words is because there's a lot of good people that are confused because they won't
00:42:16.460
They don't want to do anything opposite of God.
00:42:18.000
They may be tempted and they may go over the line and they may do it and they jump back,
00:42:24.620
And my whole thing is to present the structure of how it all works with God and words and
00:43:03.000
Well, because I just want to be clear on the purpose of what living life before words is.
00:43:12.000
Basically, in simplicity terms, as I said before, you know, we were created perfectly by God
00:43:23.420
We operate with our spiritual instincts, intuition, emotions, just like God intended it
00:43:29.460
without words, just like all the other animals because we're no different.
00:43:34.260
We like to think we're different because we tell ourselves we're different with words.
00:43:40.560
And because we create a society with words, when we created words, we created a new language
00:43:51.100
And these words have become controlling as if they're God to us.
00:43:56.520
We make words so important and they're not at all.
00:44:06.180
So we, you know, we will, we have to abide by the words.
00:44:16.140
We're free as animals, but in society, we're controlled.
00:44:20.860
And so the choice is that we know that we're going to be controlled.
00:44:24.800
But the reason that we are so confused is because we're putting words on top of our emotions
00:44:35.900
So living life before words is just, it's a rediscovery of who we are and how God created us.
00:44:43.060
It does make sense because what you're saying is you're, you're saying go back to the absolute basics.
00:45:04.660
Because that's like the moment the light turns on when you go back to the basics, you know?
00:45:13.200
This is so great because you are my first podcast and I wanted it to be you all the time.
00:45:22.880
You know, because I love your honesty and who you are and you're a warrior and a fighter.
00:45:30.460
And, you know, I practice, you know, like the structure of what I'm going to say and how I'm going to do it.
00:45:35.980
But I'm not really communicating, you know, what I really want.
00:45:59.900
Like, okay, I'm three and it's like you and your dad kind of deal.
00:46:12.440
But, uh, just tell me simple when I don't have a lot of words, I just have feelings because I'm a kid.
00:46:35.320
What the point I want to make, how I want to get, get it back on track.
00:46:38.860
I mean, cause to me, I don't think nothing can ever be off track.
00:47:01.660
But I want to, I want to go off from here on the words more, but I want you to communicate
00:47:13.340
We've been communicating with words, uh, with our words all day since I met you.
00:47:19.680
That's our communication, you know, and there's a trust there.
00:47:32.660
We saw, we saw, uh, whatever you call it, a mate, a soul.
00:47:42.220
You know, as somebody who's, you know, has seen something you've seen in their eyes.
00:47:47.900
You know how the eyes are the window to the soul?
00:47:50.540
So I, I always go in there because you can see, oh, there's a lot of boxes in the way
00:47:57.420
I'm going down this hallway and there's a lot of boxes I got to move, but I see there's
00:48:04.820
So you're talking about clarity, which I'm getting, you're coming through perfectly clear
00:48:08.360
about the conflict of being a human and an animal.
00:48:11.560
I think she wants to know, and correct me if I'm wrong, is where do we go from there?
00:48:16.020
Because if we know we're conflicted, if words don't express emotions, how do we still
00:48:19.540
relate, what is your opinion and suggestion moving forward?
00:48:25.320
Well, that's kind of, because my feeling has been in the last couple of weeks that, and
00:48:30.900
I said it on a podcast I was on, because it's hard for me on podcasts too, because you may
00:48:35.840
find this as you go along doing your podcast deal.
00:48:39.400
It doesn't seem like they are talking human being.
00:48:44.120
They're not talking like human language or something.
00:48:53.980
Yeah, because I always feel like an alien, because I have to talk their language, and
00:49:00.820
It's got a lot of assumptions and just frigging crazy shit in it, you know, so I have to hone
00:49:13.580
But then I was saying on this one, I just feel like the power of perceiving, walking on
00:49:23.520
the street and seeing somebody walking the other way and their smile, what I am perceiving
00:49:30.480
in that person's smile is way deeper than anything I ever perceived in a smile before.
00:49:42.980
And the way their eyes are taking it in, they're perceiving something way deeper than they've
00:49:53.340
In just that exchange, something very, something is happening.
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There's actually going to be practical uses that they're going to increase the use of silver,
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Everything we do is to tell you to be prepared because I'm old and I don't have time to screw
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So what you're saying, Jake, is where do we go?
00:52:50.940
If it's conflicting to use words, how do we relate without words?
00:52:55.060
Because the most important thing is to understand the structure of God because if you look at
00:53:13.700
And in order for us to, in my opinion, to understand who we are, thinking is a big thing for us.
00:53:24.620
I mean, thinking negative thoughts and all these kinds of things and how we accept those things.
00:53:30.620
Now, without words, animals think without words.
00:53:36.820
Whereas an animal, we also think without words.
00:53:40.340
And God created an incredible mechanism for thinking that had nothing to do with words.
00:53:46.000
This mechanism for thinking, I call it lateral thought.
00:53:49.180
It goes lateral and it's strictly for your protection and survival.
00:53:56.940
This is the mechanism of, in every animal, all animals, negative thoughts.
00:54:04.600
So let's say if a deer is being threatened, eating food and a boy shakes and they start going lateral,
00:54:13.940
they only go to like, if it goes from zero to 12, they only go to like three.
00:54:17.820
And then they make a decision to get out of there.
00:54:27.560
But what we do since we created words 10,000 years ago, we put words on this negative system
00:54:36.780
So if we've seen something in the bush, we'll say, oh shit, what's up?
00:54:50.060
See, words was never designed for this as an animal.
00:54:53.180
And that's, that's the damage of, that's not the damage, but it's not recognizing that that's
00:55:05.860
And then you look at the bush and then a rabbit runs out.
00:55:08.500
So you did all this thinking for nothing, you know, but that happens all the time.
00:55:16.740
No, I think the words run, words are abusing this natural process of thought.
00:55:24.520
But once we start doing that, we're, we're missing the big warning, right?
00:55:30.320
We're missing out, like going, should I get out of here?
00:55:37.780
But instead we're going, well, the mechanics of his legs are such that you're staying there.
00:55:44.020
You're staying there and running lateral with a negative thought.
00:55:49.540
And, and the point, what an animal will do is they acknowledge the threat and then they deal.
00:55:58.120
But what we do is acknowledge the threat and we keep talking to ourselves over and over and over and over again in words, which brings in negative energy.
00:56:13.280
So that's important to understand the word language, you know.
00:56:17.800
And, um, but the word language is very tricky too, because like I said, as an animal, we have emotions and we have instincts.
00:56:30.220
This is, I think might be interesting, but when we get an instinct, our instinct is strictly for our survival.
00:56:36.800
Whenever you get that feeling, we all know what that feeling is, right?
00:56:42.280
Because, see, we, that's, we know what that is.
00:56:52.680
But when we get an instinct, we've been taught as a kid, as soon as you get the instinct, oh, you're scared or you're nervous.
00:56:58.760
There's no animal on planet Earth that's nervous, scared, or frightened, or worried.
00:57:08.200
So to protect ourselves, in order to protect ourselves, and it's from our generations from past to, you know, that's how we teach our kids.
00:57:16.340
We probably taught, I'm sure I taught my kids that, you know, that's what we learned to do.
00:57:20.060
Oh, you're scared or you look worried or you look frightened.
00:57:22.740
And so whenever they get that instinct, that's what we get because we, with words, we put words on top of our, a beautiful mechanism that God gave us for our protection.
00:57:35.120
Well, what should we have said to our kids then?
00:57:37.020
Like, are you feeling, what should we have said instead?
00:57:41.360
You don't, you don't have to say anything because what's this warning for?
00:57:45.800
As an animal, this warning is, so we look at these things as negative, right?
00:57:50.880
Like, scared, so that's a negative energy that we're attached to that word and that natural, beautiful emotion that God gave us.
00:58:02.060
It's God tapping you on the shoulder saying, beware.
00:58:09.540
When you get that instinct, it says, oh, don't go over, don't touch the stove.
00:58:15.280
So if an animal get that instinct, they never look at it negatively, like it's a word.
00:58:19.680
They look at it, if I'm an animal and there's a lion over there and I feel it, I said, okay, well, you better get ready to run.
00:58:34.380
That instinct right there, that's all it's for.
00:58:38.620
It's not to be scared or worried or anything like that.
00:58:43.200
So when you get scared and worried, guess what happens?
00:58:48.240
See, it had nothing to do, first it had nothing to do with God.
00:58:52.900
It has everything to do with our human society that we created.
00:58:57.660
And we put words that we created on top of our beautiful system that God, so it's a positive.
00:59:04.560
And it's so interesting because I live this way.
00:59:07.720
You know, I'll get an instinct and it's beautiful because I know what I'm going to have to do.
00:59:13.500
I'm either going to have to do something or not.
00:59:22.040
Oh, you know, if it's something you got to, if it's a bill that comes in or something, then you get that, pay it.
00:59:29.660
You know, there's no, people, if they say something, if you get an envelope and it says urgent on it, you get this feeling and then you say, oh, God, what am I going to be?
00:59:39.660
Oh, they're going to, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:59:41.240
And then you read it and it's not nothing like that.
00:59:45.100
So what I'm saying to you, the thing to understand is that we live these two lines.
00:59:51.600
And then with words, we mislabeled this beautiful system with words.
00:59:57.760
There's negative words and there's positive words.
01:00:00.040
On the same token, you can feel wonderful with wonderful words.
01:00:06.300
And you can use words to spell, I always call it spellcasting, but you can actually manifest things in your life and relate to other people with words.
01:00:14.220
Words have tremendous power if you use them properly, right?
01:00:21.640
I always talk about the right words with the right people at the right time.
01:00:28.860
Yeah, but I like what you're saying where if you're using words in this lateral sense, like kind of like, uh, it's not, it's not the correct.
01:00:36.300
It's not the correct use of words is what you're saying when you do that.
01:00:41.800
Yes, not the mechanism is perfect, but you're putting something on top of it.
01:00:47.680
And then also, let's think negative thoughts, which is a major thing.
01:00:55.300
Well, they don't know that there's an alternative, number one.
01:01:00.220
Well, that's why I actually wrote the book, because I put it, you know, you read it or you did.
01:01:05.700
But anyway, the negative thoughts is a big deal.
01:01:08.200
It's because that's not natural to think negatively with words.
01:01:18.300
But there are words as a human that we created when we created words.
01:01:22.700
I mean, people think negative thoughts multiple times a day.
01:01:29.340
And when you think negative thoughts with words, because you can't think a negative thought without a word.
01:01:33.740
You have to use words to think negative thoughts.
01:01:36.680
So if you take away the words, you will never think or have a negative thought.
01:01:42.500
Because I feel like people are bombarded with negative thoughts that don't even originate with them.
01:01:52.380
And every time you have negative thoughts, you bring in negative energy into your body.
01:01:56.520
The idea is that you don't want negative energy that brings stress.
01:02:06.100
Then you're going to have to tell us how we can divest ourselves of words.
01:02:12.780
The thing about this, it's very simple, really, because it's no words.
01:02:19.240
But it gets complicated because of the words that we created.
01:02:23.780
And my purpose is to let you say you have this all.
01:02:29.140
Everyone that's ever seen this podcast, read the book, whatever, this is who we are.
01:02:33.220
Everyone that's ever been born as an animal first.
01:02:46.660
How many times, well, do you have negative thoughts?
01:02:56.920
Do you not have negative thoughts is a better question.
01:03:02.120
So the point I'm saying is we have multiple negative thoughts.
01:03:06.480
How many times in your life have you thought, to the nth degree means when you think of a
01:03:10.740
negative thought, you conclude that you know what it is.
01:03:14.900
I mean, in your heart, you know that this is what it is.
01:03:22.620
I know I'm getting bombarded because I'm trying to focus on something better.
01:03:31.900
What I'm saying, when we do negative thoughts, we always have a conclusion like, this is going
01:03:37.300
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That's get some of these people a couple of days.
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No, a lot of them are just mentally ill and they look great.
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It can't get at me at all because I'm protected.
01:06:44.740
But they're not of me because I don't have them because I'm connected to God.
01:06:51.780
But when I get around, people who ain't like that, they shoot with a lot of negative at me.
01:06:57.080
But I got like my Wonder Woman things, you know, it doesn't penetrate at all because I'm protected.
01:07:09.200
They can say all they do and they can be all they are, even if they're like whatever they call them, ghosts or what have you.
01:08:03.880
Has anything ever happened exactly like you thought?
01:08:11.820
But you're using words and your pain is going lateral.
01:08:17.480
You come to the conclusion like, oh, I know this.
01:08:28.360
Because an animal must draw conclusions really fast.
01:08:33.960
So remember, the lateral barometer goes from zero to 12.
01:08:43.020
This is the thought process that we have, that God gave the honor of them, that we have,
01:08:48.680
The animal without words will get a thought, you know, a negative, we call it a negative
01:09:00.200
Because an animal must be decisive and have a conclusion.
01:09:05.320
You know, like if you, a fly, a fly sees a hand coming down, and then that fly, before
01:09:10.920
you get that fly's gone, because it went to zero to three and got off, said, I'm in danger,
01:09:17.300
You know, and that's where a lizard, you're going to chase a lizard, you're going to catch
01:09:21.200
a lizard, you're creeping up on a lizard, and you're about to catch it, because a lizard
01:09:33.100
You come to a conclusion by God, because God creates perfection.
01:09:37.720
The system that God gave us as an animal is perfect, and it's being, I'm going to say
01:09:42.360
misused, mislabeled with words that God did not create.
01:09:47.960
And I'm not saying they did it for the affairs, it's part of our evolution.
01:09:52.380
We evolved to using a secondary language that God didn't create.
01:09:56.540
And that's what we did, and that's what we are.
01:10:04.260
And so that's where words, but because God created such a perfect system and mechanism,
01:10:19.500
I don't go past three, maybe four, because I know it ain't going to happen.
01:10:25.140
What you just told me, I said, and this is through your whole life, you have these negative
01:10:29.700
thoughts that you know is going to happen, you know this is right, and they've never
01:10:39.420
You're going to pick the perfect scenario that you don't want to happen.
01:10:44.220
And then when it doesn't happen, what do we do?
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You didn't, because you collected all this negative energy in your body as if it did happen.
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See, we're not supposed to collect that negative energy, because that negative energy is not
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That's why, you know, you have headaches and you feel depressed and all this stuff.
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It's because you're collecting all this negative energy in that you're in control of.
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And it's just about understanding that we have these two lives that we live.
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And one God gave us perfectly, and one we created ourselves.
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You're talking a lot about, sorry to interrupt, non-attachment.
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When your thought comes in, you don't attach to the thought.
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Similar to what she was talking about, the compartmentalizing.
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Once you attach, this is what I got from you today.
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Once you attach, you have this system in your mind that's created that becomes linear thought
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It's almost like a treadmill, like when your dad was working at Ford, and you're like,
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You're doing that in natural instinct because you've attached to the thought, whereas if
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you just let it pass, just go to three, you can respond more as your instincts and
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as an animal, and you don't get caught off in the storytelling, right?
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You're not running around like a chick with no head, right?
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You're not using up all the drama and all the enzymes in your whole body, creating drama
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You're just actually living simple and close to God.
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You know, when we were a kid, we didn't think about nothing, and we just played.
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That's what God created us, you know, how God created us.
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So, well, what you're saying is very interesting because this is how the mind works and how
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When I say all of it, I'm talking about us and animals.
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So, the way the mind works, because you saw, I didn't know about the Buddhist thing.
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Because the very first thing, the very first thing in thought is identification.
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And that's where I was asking you earlier, you just told me about something about vision
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But that's why I was interested because, you know, I can see the systems.
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If you get before words, you can see all this stuff real clearly.
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So, what happens is the way the mind works is the first thing the mind does is identify.
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And then, you know, then your emotions and instincts kick in and they assess what you saw.
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And then that's where we do with words is we keep it running.
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So, then after you identify, then you make a decision what you're going to do.
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And then they assess the situations and see whether they want, what kind of action they
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And then they'll decide to take action or not take action.
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I keep saying that because we can't, we got to take the value off of words means nothing.
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You know, that's the reason that we're all messed up.
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It's because of words and we make them so important.
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And we, we, we, we, we, we, we, uh, our emotions, we, we, you know, make our emotions react to
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words and don't live with words, live with what you feel.
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That's nice to hear because that's a, to me, that's exactly how it is.
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I mean, now when you ask me if I have negative thoughts, of course I do, I'm human.
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But now when they come in, I go, Oh, that's a thought I don't attach anymore.
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Like they say water off a duck's back, goes on to the next one.
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If you just let it kind of flow through, it doesn't affect you as much.
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What I do with thought, I never let it go past two or three.
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I absolutely don't give a, I don't give a shit.
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But I pull it back because I know four or five doesn't damage me.
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You know, I just, because, but I never let it go to the nth degree because it'll never happen.
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You, to me, and I don't want to say this about anybody, but I'll say, I would have to be
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stupid to know if I think negative thoughts to the nth degree, it ain't going to happen
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But all you got to do is ask yourself, honestly, deal with God, your real truth.
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Well, it's the God that you don't tell anybody about.
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Well, I don't know what it is, but all I'm saying is that, you know, your real truth is
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You said the God inside that you don't tell nobody about.
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So, if you let it run to the nth degree, then it's, you know.
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So, only thing a person has to do is ask themselves.
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You can't, you have to be 200% honest in living life, really.
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But with God, when you're communicating with God, God knows anyway.
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So, I, so when you, all you have to do to evaluate, this is so important with negative thought because a lot of people, you know, they have to, they want to kind of get a handle on this.
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And all you got to do is ask yourself, honestly, any time in your life, entire life, that you've gone negative to the nth degree, did it ever come true exactly like you thought it was?
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Because you committed yourself that this is exactly how it's going to happen.
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And if that answer is no, it never has, then, then makes no sense to go there.
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And what I do is, this is what it is, because we're champions.
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I just, I just met Roseanne today personally, but I've loved her so many years and respected her so much because she is a champion and we're all born champions.
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Every one of us are champions, but people don't live up to that.
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And then we never met, but when I saw you throughout the years, I know, you know, I know what's going on.
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And so, you know, you, you, you got to do your best.
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We talked on the phone the other day and I called my mom right after.
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It's like when you're not trying to be smarter than God.
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I mean, in my past, nobody could think more negative than me in my past.
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We do some stuff, you know, and we think stuff.
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But God knows that truth and that's your connection to God.
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That's what you have and that's what we all have.
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It's truth because it's close to God and we can, well, you know, it's not too far over
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You know, that's the mask and that's how we operate.
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But you see, when people are truthful, they let people into their real truth.
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And that's why I think great comedians, I mean yourself, Richard Pryor, because you're truthful.
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So you're letting us into that God level, you see, and people connect to that because
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that takes guts to do that because people don't do that.
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I feel like I'm going to be real honest about the fact that I went down that way, you know.
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And the important thing is we came back to talk about it.
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We came back from the lowest place to make fun of it.
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And you, as a champion, I'm going to say this, I've been cussed, right?
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You can't give a fuck, especially if you know you're walking with God, you're doing it in
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And that makes you strong because you're doing the right thing by God, you know.
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Well, this is some hardcore truth that you put down here, laid out for us in the book,
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But I just want to say, you've laid out some beautiful things.
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And I want you to come back and let's go deeper and deeper.
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Because I know we didn't even get into the mother stuff.
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I do want to say, because to me, I'm with this women.
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So, you know, I think the world has to recognize women because women is God's extension on earth to me.
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You know, doing God's miracles on earth, what women do, and their importance to all of us.
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Without women, there would be none of us in the world.
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And women create not only women, but women create men.
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Well, of course, they say, I mean, one of those old sayings is, God couldn't be every place, so he created grandmothers, I think.
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But, you know, I mean, just that urge to protect more than your own self.
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And, you know, it comes from mothers and fathers, too.
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But they're really doing all they can to tear down the woman.
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And I think that's key to them trying to tear down the soul, is tearing down the mother, you know?
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Well, you know, I look at it like, I hear exactly what you're saying.
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I don't give, when you're dealing with God, it's God is going to present what God presents.
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Women are the strongest and the most important creation of God.
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So, I think that, and I think a lot of women don't really recognize that.
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They're afraid to take the responsibility that that will make them take.
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To go, oh my, it's, I am responsible for this much and I have to do it.
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What responsibility do you think that they're going to have?
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Well, women, if they would own up to what they're capable of, well, they would know that
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You're talking about them in the sense of taking on a role to clean up the mess of what's going on?
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Yeah, to take care of all the kids that are suffering in the world.
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This is interesting because my thing is, first of all, if you, see, when live life before work,
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that's why I want to come back if I can, to talk about women because it deserves.
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But if you look at, it's important for women to first understand their power because they
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They control it, but they don't know that they control it.
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They know that things have to have women to make them go, but they don't look at what
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Because we're talking about kind of a society structure with women, kind of where they go
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Well, I'm just talking about the world being so close to blowing up out of idiocy.
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In other words, you know, there's an awareness of the importance of women and who they are and
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And basically, it's saying how the purpose of women's creation and the purpose of man's
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creation and how important women are and how she is an extension of God on earth.
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So we have gardeners outside that are screaming.
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So anyway, to me, as a man, and I love being a man, I'm not taking nothing from men because
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And women, it's just obvious how great they are.
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Because I think once women and men see who women really are and why, and I'm just a presenter.
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If what I present to you makes sense, you take it.
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So if it's the truth, I just want to look at it.
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But to me, they should be appreciated, adored, respected, honored.
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But, you know, it's so tied into the God thing.
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Well, I mean, they keep, you know, the silencing of women as a gifted being.
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That all plays into the words game, too, right?
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There's an animal, life, and then there's a society with human, with words.
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So everything that we're talking about now is here.
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You can see how God created woman to create all of God's children.
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And so we can't, you know, we can never find it over here.
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You said something about the Tower of Babel with the words of confusing.
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And not one word means the same to anyone else.
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You can say one word and depending on that person's, you know, relationship with that word throughout their life, that word will mean something different to everyone else.
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And then they get in wars like going, you didn't, because I went through this where they go, you did not mean what you say you meant.
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You meant what I say you meant because I come from this group that's against you on here and there and there and this word.
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So we're having a conversation about women, but we're using words.
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Living life before words is looking at a woman as God created us to live without words.
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Because we think about like when we're with our family and you just watch what the women are doing.
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But, you know, but what they're doing to create the food, to bring people together, all that stuff is the not, that's the God part.
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She's always serving and getting people together, getting them to talk.
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Y'all do so much in the, you know, umbilical, when we're in the womb.
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I mean, listen, guys in that process ain't doing much.
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They just have a little, you know, to do the thing.
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Where when the sperm goes in and impregnates the egg, a little flashlight comes out.
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Yeah, but that's God acting in the woman's body.
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I think a lot of women are like, I created a human being.
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I sewed its little fingers together and its little feet.
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From your lips to God's ear, that's what I'm saying.
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It's in the book, and it comes from the beginning to where we are and why.
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Everybody read that, and then let's talk about it some more.
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You're bringing out a whole new level of stuff.
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A whole new way to look at a whole new thing we've been looking at for a long time.
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But you're bringing a whole new wrinkle in time to it.
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I'm so excited to be reading more of your book.
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And I love being here, and I thank you, and I thank Jake.
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We are so happy to have had you here and spreading out some wisdom out there.
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Now you'll never be afraid of a crazy podcaster again, because you would already broke all
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So you see, my patience is growing thin, with the synthetic world, we're living in.
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So you see, my patience is growing thin, with the synthetic world, we're living in.