The Roseanne Barr Podcast - Josh Hammer ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #120

00:00:00.180 Greetings, Earthlings!

00:00:03.420 I'm introducing the Josh Hammer show.

00:00:06.020 We had a little bit of spotty internet.

00:00:08.580 Yeah, Starlink, Elon Musk, drops the ball again for us.

00:00:12.240 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:12.940 It may be Mark of the Beast, Satan, and shit. 1.00

00:00:15.560 I don't trust him anymore. 0.99

00:00:16.880 We recorded the episode with Josh Hammer, and it dropped out like 11 times.

00:00:20.160 It was very embarrassing.

00:00:20.840 Well, I thought it was the devil trying to keep us from, you know,

00:00:25.440 trying to keep Josh Hammer from saying what he knows.

00:00:28.600 That's probably true.

00:00:28.940 And it was like over a week ago, too, when the whole Candace,

00:00:32.420 she called him a monster and all kinds of things.

00:00:38.160 Yeah, she's unwell.

00:00:38.860 Before she took her break, I think it was doctor-inspired.

00:00:42.900 But anyway, Jake, you were able to cobble together.

00:00:46.540 Yeah, so what follows is a great interview.

00:00:48.740 I was able to salvage the show.

00:00:50.340 You'll see a couple weird hits where kind of the video jumps,

00:00:53.680 but the conversation flows, and that's the most important thing.

00:00:56.000 Yeah, the devil was really after me that day,

00:00:58.040 and I was praying, come on, come on, Lord, get this Elon Musk internet up.

00:01:04.360 Because it's really filled with a lot of truth

00:01:06.740 and a lot of warning, too, for American citizens.

00:01:10.980 No, it's a great episode.

00:01:11.960 And Josh Hammer, for those of you who don't know,

00:01:13.420 was in that Charlie Kirk thread that Candace was saying

00:01:16.120 that Charlie was going to turn his back on Israel,

00:01:17.980 and she's been going after him.

00:01:20.160 And so it was more timely when we filmed it.

00:01:22.560 We didn't do an episode last week because we have a big deal closing

00:01:26.040 that we're not allowed to talk about.

00:01:27.740 Yeah.

00:01:28.060 But we're back.

00:01:29.400 Thank you for your support.

00:01:30.800 Enjoy this episode with Josh Hammer.

00:01:32.560 And then that's it.

00:01:33.600 We're back on track, right?

00:01:34.740 Yeah.

00:01:34.960 Anything else?

00:01:37.320 So you see.

00:01:38.840 No.

00:01:39.800 I hope you enjoy it because it's getting so that if you are wanting to tell the truth

00:01:47.800 about the Western world being under attack,

00:01:51.780 you're under heavy censorship from our overlords as well as our underlords.

00:01:58.260 So we hope you get a lot of information out of this broadcast today,

00:02:03.560 and thanks for tuning in.

00:02:05.140 Greetings, earthlings and humans and all other beings, whatever you got.

00:02:10.220 Welcome here.

00:02:11.440 We've got a great show today.

00:02:13.020 Oh, I forgot.

00:02:13.820 Also, welcome to animals, the most intelligent of all life forms, in my opinion, 0.83

00:02:19.520 because animals don't need to bullshit themselves to feel the joy of life.

00:02:24.280 Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast. 0.90

00:02:26.220 Oh, you see, my patience is growing thin.

00:02:33.340 I've got a bub, bub, bub, bub, banger of a show today.

00:02:37.400 I'm so excited.

00:02:38.420 This is the first time I've really been so nervous that I'm shaking to have a guest.

00:02:43.720 I'm excited because you know how I love to talk to geniuses.

00:02:48.200 The guest today is just an encyclopedic genius.

00:02:53.200 He's got so much information in his brain.

00:02:56.480 It's astounding.

00:02:57.820 But also, he is somebody who is in the middle of so many things and so pertinent to what's going on today.

00:03:08.780 And I am so happy to have the author of Israel and Civilization.

00:03:16.020 He has his own podcast.

00:03:16.780 The host of the Josh Hammer Show, senior editor at large for Newsweek.

00:03:23.620 Hi, Josh Hammer.

00:03:24.960 Roseanne, long-time fan, first-time caller, as they say.

00:03:30.020 So delighted to connect with you and thanks for having me on.

00:03:31.940 I really do appreciate it.

00:03:33.360 We're so excited to have you.

00:03:35.800 There's like so many intersections of things you are a part of and speaking for and also victim of so many things that are going on.

00:03:49.140 And I can't even begin to think where I should approach first.

00:03:55.300 But, of course, I want to go right into the whole Candace Owens rabbit hole, I guess it is.

00:04:06.280 It goes so deep and it keeps going.

00:04:08.260 And, of course, that involves your friend, Charlie Kirk, and his assassination and how it's really shaking this country.

00:04:21.560 It's shaking MAGA.

00:04:24.800 It's shaking everything America believes in down to America's soul, I fear.

00:04:31.040 And you're right in the middle of that.

00:04:34.140 And the Candace fallout of her being everything that the holiday of Sukkot is about, the Jewish holiday of Sukkot, which is so much about the power of evil speech. 0.90

00:04:54.100 And I want to get into that with you, too.

00:04:55.860 But, so, there you are.

00:05:00.440 You're a friend of Charlie Kirk.

00:05:03.980 Will you start there?

00:05:06.400 Yeah, sure thing.

00:05:07.500 So, I knew Charlie for some years.

00:05:11.280 I first got to know him when I became the opinion editor at Newsweek.

00:05:16.140 I still work at Newsweek, but do some slightly different things, including my show.

00:05:19.820 But when I first joined the company, I joined as the opinion editor.

00:05:22.560 When I joined there back in 2020, Charlie was one of the conservative columnists at Newsweek that I inherited.

00:05:30.020 So, I first got to know him and his main kind of day-to-day manager, who is also the executive producer of the Charlie Kirk show, Andrew Colvitt.

00:05:39.500 Andrew's been the main host of the Charlie Kirk show since Charlie was assassinated over a month ago.

00:05:44.260 So, I first got to know Charlie and Andrew through my capacity as their editor, effectively, at Newsweek.

00:05:50.140 But I started to get to know Charlie better.

00:05:53.080 He first invited me to speak at a Turning Point USA conference, maybe about a year after that, about a year after I started as the opinion editor at Newsweek.

00:06:00.660 So, that would have been 2021.

00:06:02.940 And we kind of just got to know each other better and better over the four years that followed even that.

00:06:09.500 And over the final year, year and a half or so of his life, we had gotten to the point where we were talking on a seemingly daily basis.

00:06:16.760 I don't want to exaggerate where we weren't having hour-long phone calls every day, but we were in daily contact, right?

00:06:21.900 Whether it was in individual messaging or this WhatsApp chat, this small WhatsApp chat that has now become the topic of international conspiracy, thanks to well-known conspiracists, Candace Owens.

00:06:35.800 Charlie himself actually organized that chat, by the way.

00:06:38.340 There have been a lot of people saying, oh, you know, the Jews were trying to control Charlie.

00:06:41.640 No, Charlie literally started that chat.

00:06:43.700 I mean, he was the one who personally added me, who personally added the other people there.

00:06:49.100 So, yeah, we were basically in daily touch because we cared about a lot of the very same things.

00:06:55.740 Charlie was a religious Christian, I'm a religious Jew, and we cared immensely about Jewish-Christian relations, about fighting off rising anti-Semitism, including within certain pockets of the American rights among Gen Z and millennial right-wingers in particular.

00:07:13.700 He was passionate about trying to fight that off.

00:07:15.660 He was passionate about trying to ensure that the United States and Israel had a viable relationship because he was a staunch, lifelike supporter of not just the Jewish people, but the Jewish state of Israel.

00:07:28.600 And I last saw him in person.

00:07:30.260 The last few times I saw him in person, Roseanne, the first time would have been in July.

00:07:34.860 So I did a debate on Israel against a not-particularly-funny libertarian quote-unquote comedian by the name of Dave Smith.

00:07:42.020 So Dave Smith and I did a debate, which ends up actually being, tragically in hindsight, like genuinely tragically, ends up being the final event that Charlie Kirk ever hosted at a Turning Point USA conference because that ended the conference.

00:07:55.120 So that was in July.

00:07:56.800 Then I saw him again a few weeks later at this quote-unquote influencer retreat, 35, 40 people in the Hamptons.

00:08:03.840 That, too, that retreat has also been the source of some controversy from the same provocateurs like Candace Owen.

00:08:09.160 So that was the last time that I saw Charlie in person was in the Hamptons in early August.

00:08:13.320 I actually took a copy of my book, and I signed up for him.

00:08:16.560 He told me he would read it, and the rest, unfortunately, as they say, is history, and here we are.

00:08:24.800 I was really interested in, it seems to me, Charlie's growing attraction to Judaism because, you know, he was talking all the time about keeping Shabbat.

00:08:37.100 And I was just, I was really amazed at that because I have so many Christian friends who also are, you know, have come to keeping Shabbat, you know, Friday to Saturday night.

00:08:49.100 And I just love that about Charlie because I feel that that's also a turning point for a lot of Christians to understand where Christianity, its roots.

00:09:00.180 And, you know, and then I was talking to people saying, well, you know, the very definition of a Jew is one who keeps Shabbat.

00:09:08.960 So I jokingly said, well, that makes Charlie a Jew and gives him the right to complain about Jews because that's what Jews do is complain about Jews and say, oh, they're not, the other Jews are not saying the right thing. 0.96

00:09:23.720 So I'm out, which is how I interpreted his texting conversation about, well, if they're not going to, they're not going to control me because that's what all Jews say about other Jews, right? 1.00

00:09:35.120 Yeah, look, you know, first of all, I'm not sure that a Jew is defined by keeping Shabbat.

00:09:41.680 I myself started keeping Shabbat within the past couple of years or so, and I found it to be a positively life-changing experience.

00:09:49.300 So I'm a staunch proponent of it.

00:09:51.860 But you're right that Charlie did keep his version of the Sabbath.

00:09:57.080 He turned his phone off exactly when religious Jews turned their phone off from Friday night to Saturday night. 0.97

00:10:02.420 He actually wrote a whole book on this.

00:10:04.520 In fact, I hope that this book is going to be posthumously released.

00:10:08.000 It's set to be released this December.

00:10:10.680 It's skyrocketed actually on Amazon.com after he was horrifically killed.

00:10:14.660 It's called Stop in the Name of God.

00:10:16.480 And, you know, this is someone, Charlie Kirk, who used to study Torah with Dennis Prager, our colleague at Salem Media.

00:10:25.540 You know, Charlie would quote the Hebrew Bible, what Christians call the Old Testament, over and over and over again.

00:10:32.520 He would quote everything from Genesis to the Book of Psalms, the Book of Proverbs.

00:10:36.260 I heard him talking about Bereshit, and I was so impressed.

00:10:40.560 And I was like, this is, you know, a very special human being.

00:10:45.840 And I was just so impressed by that.

00:10:50.480 And that's why I am trying to talk to you about this, because the evil tongue being spoken against him and his soul really upsets me.

00:11:02.140 Well, it upsets me greatly, too.

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00:11:04.900 I mean, it's kind of an irony and perhaps a sad irony of our times, Roseanne, that the number one person who helped defend the Jewish people on college campuses, on these incredible hostile settings for the past two years, give or take, was this young evangelical Christian.

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00:13:21.740 You know, people could disagree with Charlie's decisions to platform certain individuals.

00:13:25.360 I certainly did not agree with Tucker Carlson continuing to appear.

00:13:28.540 But whatever we may or may not disagree on some of that,

00:13:31.540 he really did do more than anyone to keep the truly, truly gutter, horrible stuff

00:13:35.940 decidedly on the fringe.

00:13:37.600 That's point one.

00:13:38.280 Two is he really did more in these settings to defend the Jewish people,

00:13:42.720 not just Israel, but genuinely defend the Jewish people on campuses.

00:13:47.560 Charlie Kirk.

00:13:48.100 And Judaism.

00:13:49.080 Yes, exactly.

00:13:50.700 He was asked over and over and over again about the Talmud.

00:13:54.740 I mean, this is, it is absolutely insane that America in the year 2024-2025

00:14:01.200 saw this young evangelical Protestant placed in the position

00:14:05.480 of having to be the grand defender of one of Judaism's sacred texts, the Talmud.

00:14:11.140 It's insane.

00:14:12.360 And I said that to Charlie's face, by the way.

00:14:14.120 I said, like, thank you for all you're doing.

00:14:16.440 And we discussed, by the way, we talked about how we should respond there.

00:14:20.600 He was like, does this make sense if I explain the Talmud like this there?

00:14:23.540 We talked about the difference between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.

00:14:26.740 I mean, we had all these conversations.

00:14:28.640 But I said to him once, I was like, God bless you.

00:14:31.560 Thank you for what you're doing.

00:14:32.240 This is truly nuts.

00:14:33.640 This is truly nuts that you are having to be placed in this position there.

00:14:37.400 But he handled it with a plum.

00:14:38.760 He was proud to do it.

00:14:40.000 He was not just happy to do it.

00:14:41.320 He was genuinely proud to do it.

00:14:42.880 Because his Christianity, Roseanne, fundamentally, his Christianity was the kind of Christianity

00:14:47.860 that founded America.

00:14:49.240 It was the Christianity of George Washington, of John Adams, of Alexander Hamilton, and so forth.

00:14:54.640 It was a Christianity that saw itself not as Tucker Carlson might see it as kind of an offshoot.

00:15:01.000 But he saw it as directly rooted, as directly rooted in the Hebrew Bible in the Old Testament

00:15:07.280 there.

00:15:07.880 His Christianity was the exact same Christianity as the Christianity that produced, for instance, 0.97

00:15:12.460 the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia.

00:15:14.800 The Liberty Bell, which has the book of Leviticus inscribed on the outside.

00:15:18.620 His Christianity was the same kind of Christianity that saw Benjamin Franklin propose that the

00:15:23.380 great seal of the United States be Moses parting the Red Sea with the Israelites there, 0.95

00:15:28.560 the ultimate symbol of the Exodus.

00:15:31.420 So Charlie's Christianity was very much something of a throwback to a bygone era. 0.97

00:15:36.120 And he really cared about making sure that American Christianity, American Christians remained good

00:15:42.000 friends of the Jews.

00:15:42.860 He tried to model that very much in his personal day-to-day life.

00:15:45.860 And that took the very tangible form of befriending Jews like myself.

00:15:49.300 He was a righteous Gentile in that he defended the nation of Israel.

00:15:54.840 He defended the Torah.

00:15:56.060 He defended the Jewish nation.

00:15:58.420 And, you know, I hate to see his legacy in what I consider that he was almost the savior

00:16:05.340 of the soul of America, which is being torn asunder by evil speech, by evil deeds.

00:16:12.360 And I think it's on purpose because America is the last stronghold between, you know, the entire 0.93

00:16:21.200 world losing all of its human rights.

00:16:25.000 And that's how I feel about America.

00:16:26.940 And I feel like Charlie was, even to say that he was just for turning point, USA is to kind

00:16:34.320 of, I'm not using the right words, but to denigrate his real effect.

00:16:39.940 He was saving the soul of America.

00:16:42.980 And I see why the enemy took him out because he was such a stalwart pillar of everything

00:16:52.040 that we're fighting.

00:16:53.540 And, you know, I was so horrified that it happened in my hometown.

00:17:01.400 You know, I'm from Utah.

00:17:02.700 And, you know, that it happened when it did.

00:17:09.700 And, you know, I hope we get to the bottom of it.

00:17:14.180 I hope we do.

00:17:15.920 But just his removal at such an important crossroads in our country and the world history, especially

00:17:24.840 for America and Western values, it's just horrifying.

00:17:34.840 And then to see his name dragged through the mud and saying he wasn't what he was, that

00:17:40.840 makes me so upset.

00:17:42.660 So that's why I was so happy to get you on here today, because it's just important that

00:17:50.420 we remember him, that we as Jews remember him for what a, what a spiritual giant he was

00:17:59.180 to us.

00:18:00.660 You know, I feel like.

00:18:02.160 Roseanne, let me tell you, my, my wife was raised here in Florida where we live now, but

00:18:06.660 she was born in Israel.

00:18:07.740 Well, she is Israeli, most of her family still, still lives over in Israel.

00:18:11.680 And I heard from her family after Charlie was assassinated, a lot of her family reached

00:18:16.020 out to me and they said, like, are you aware of, of the morning of the, of the national

00:18:22.800 morning that is happening in the state of Israel after the murder of Charlie Kirk?

00:18:27.740 I mean, you had the mayor of well-known cities, Netanya, I believe, a very well-known suburb

00:18:33.540 of Tel Aviv, which named a very prominent public square, a park after Charlie Kirk.

00:18:39.000 There, there were, there were murals that were drawn in his honor.

00:18:42.560 So, I mean, I, this, this is a country, I mean, I don't think I met a single Jew, a single

00:18:47.740 rabbi, anyone who was anything other than devastated by this news.

00:18:53.040 So, I mean, that makes this, this whole attempt to engage in, in this loathsome anti-Semitic driven

00:18:59.540 revisionist history, this whole information operation.

00:19:02.080 And that's what it is, it is, it is an information operation trying to bamboozle us, to gaslight

00:19:06.980 us into thinking that Charlie Kirk was something other than what he was, which was a, a, a staunch

00:19:13.080 friend of the Jewish people in Israel.

00:19:16.020 That's what makes this all the more, all the more repulsive because they don't have, there's

00:19:21.520 no evidence.

00:19:22.320 I mean, do they have an evidence of like, of, of any Jew celebrating his, his, no, we were

00:19:28.340 literally all in tears.

00:19:29.320 I started crying on my show.

00:19:31.220 It's the first time I've ever recorded an episode of my show where I couldn't record,

00:19:35.020 where I couldn't control my emotions.

00:19:36.480 I just started crying.

00:19:37.800 I mean, like it was painful.

00:19:39.320 I mean, not just someone who, not someone who was just so pro-America, pro-Western civilization,

00:19:43.980 but a personal friend.

00:19:45.000 It's the first time I've ever had a friend murdered, let alone a friend murdered in this

00:19:48.840 high profile of a fashion.

00:19:50.600 I mean, the highest profile political assassination in America since MLK Jr. and RFK back in 1968.

00:19:56.580 And it happened to a personal friend.

00:19:58.160 So the whole thing is just, it's unconscionably awful.

00:20:02.740 But the reason, go ahead, sorry.

00:20:05.000 Go ahead.

00:20:05.720 I'm sorry.

00:20:05.900 Well, the reason that I think, I'll end on this.

00:20:08.520 The reason that I think that these malicious actors, the Candace Owens of the world, the 1.00

00:20:13.620 reason that they're engaging in this revisionist history is because they are trying to make

00:20:19.340 a play for the future of Charlie Kirk's legacy and how he will be remembered, and specifically

00:20:24.740 the direction of Turning Point USA.

00:20:26.960 I think that is cynically where they went.

00:20:29.820 I think so, too, because they think that the Gripers are the wave of the future, don't 1.00

00:20:38.900 they?

00:20:39.140 They think Nick Fuentes is the next leader of the minds of the American youth, don't they?

00:20:47.680 And they're trying to head that off or get a piece of it.

00:20:50.540 Yes, that is essentially the wager they're making.

00:20:53.360 When Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes spar, as they sometimes do, they're essentially competing 0.97

00:20:58.840 for market share.

00:20:59.760 They're essentially competing for market share in the fringe gutter of the, I mean, I hesitate

00:21:06.200 to even call it the rights because there's nothing particularly rightist or conservative.

00:21:11.220 It's not conservative at all.

00:21:12.660 In fact, if you really listen to them, they sound like the radical left of the Democrats.

00:21:18.080 Don't they?

00:21:19.240 A hundred percent.

00:21:20.100 I, you know, honestly, I listen, not that I spend a whole, I don't listen to every Tucker

00:21:24.580 show start to finish.

00:21:26.320 I mean, I would probably be in the crazy ward if I did.

00:21:29.140 But whenever I pause to listen to a clip of Tucker Carlson these days, you know, I struggle

00:21:35.760 to identify a single issue that he is genuinely conservative on other than, I guess, immigration.

00:21:43.380 I think he still believes in national borders.

00:21:45.780 Okay, maybe.

00:21:46.940 But on virtually every other issue, I mean, Roseanne, there was this, he had this crazy

00:21:51.820 recent episode where he's essentially offering apologia for Sharia law.

00:21:57.020 I know.

00:21:57.920 He's talking about how it's amazing in Abu Dhabi and the Emirates.

00:22:01.180 Look, I've been to Abu Dhabi.

00:22:02.580 It's a very pretty city.

00:22:03.640 That doesn't mean Sharia law is good. 0.94

00:22:04.900 You know, he's saying it's amazing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

00:22:08.400 I mean, is he making common cause with the Islamists?

00:22:12.280 I mean, is that what his pay masses want?

00:22:14.060 Absolutely.

00:22:14.900 He thinks it's great that you can beat your wife if she doesn't, you know, submit properly 0.93

00:22:19.820 and fast enough.

00:22:20.940 That's what he's saying.

00:22:22.940 And that upsets me greatly.

00:22:25.180 It just about makes me go absolutely off the handle.

00:22:30.380 I can't believe he's saying that.

00:22:33.380 But actually, Sharia law is based on, you know, fiefdom.

00:22:39.460 So he's a billionaire.

00:22:40.820 And I guess he's joined that class where they dig fiefdom.

00:22:44.560 You know, they dig that pyramid with like 300 sheiks and, you know, people at the top and 1.00

00:22:51.080 everybody else is the serf.

00:22:52.660 So I guess that's what he's really talking about.

00:22:55.620 And it's just so anti-American.

00:22:58.500 And then he turns around and says, America first.

00:23:01.080 What?

00:23:03.020 Islam is an imperialist, globalist ideal. 0.98

00:23:11.660 It's an ideology of global.

00:23:14.900 It isn't America first.

00:23:17.340 And Sharia law, that isn't anything to do with America first. 0.97

00:23:21.980 I mean, he talks out of both sides of his mouth, as does Candace Owens.

00:23:26.240 But I think they're globalists.

00:23:30.340 Yeah, I mean, this is one of the great ironies of our time, right, is that people that are

00:23:34.340 essentially taking the China-Russia-Iran-North Korea line, you know, somehow call themselves

00:23:42.680 America first.

00:23:44.620 Yeah.

00:23:44.960 And look, I mean, every individual is different.

00:23:48.500 I mean, Candace Owens, whatever it's worth, my read on her is that she actually has gone

00:23:52.500 down the Louis Farrakhan Nation of Islam rabbit hole.

00:23:55.800 I think she probably went down that rabbit hole around the same time as Kanye West, if

00:23:59.280 I had to guess.

00:23:59.820 Yes, absolutely.

00:24:00.580 And Dave Chappelle, too.

00:24:01.640 He's down there.

00:24:02.780 Yes.

00:24:03.120 So that's my read on her.

00:24:05.200 Tucker, I think opinions may vary.

00:24:08.120 I think at least at a bare minimum, something that's going on with Tucker, I mean, to be

00:24:13.200 clear, it's very hard to conclude that Tucker is anything other than an anti-Semite at this

00:24:16.060 point.

00:24:16.280 I mean, I think he's probably the most dangerous anti-Semite in American history.

00:24:20.760 But I'm not sure it started there.

00:24:22.460 It might have started as just a genuine hatred of American elites, American ruling class.

00:24:28.000 The thing is, when you convince yourself that the American elites and the ruling class are

00:24:32.760 so rotten, eventually you risk getting to a point where you also convince yourselves that

00:24:37.020 America itself is rotten.

00:24:38.760 You essentially conflate the lies that have been told by the American ruling class with 0.94

00:24:43.940 America being a force for evil itself.

00:24:46.100 So that's how you kind of paradoxically, I think, talk yourself getting into this very bizarre place where

00:24:51.020 you're offering a purported...

00:24:53.100 But when you're friends with Hunter Biden, as he is and was, maybe you're like a double

00:25:02.920 spy when you're in there with the ruling class and you want to have a show, maybe you're like,

00:25:10.520 oh boy, I hate the ruling class. 1.00

00:25:12.300 And then you go to cocktails with them.

00:25:14.300 I mean, you always have some kind of duplicity, don't you?

00:25:17.600 So maybe, are you ever really honest?

00:25:21.620 No.

00:25:22.320 I mean, look, Tucker Carlson is the guy who used to wear bow ties on TV, okay?

00:25:26.020 I mean, he comes from a very, you know, very upscale background, you know, San Francisco,

00:25:32.160 Bay Area.

00:25:33.040 I mean, you know, he is no one's idea of someone who'd grow up in Appalachia riding a tractor

00:25:38.720 or anything like that.

00:25:39.660 I mean, so this whole kind of, you know, I wear a plaid shirt and I speak for the people

00:25:44.240 shtick is just that.

00:25:45.320 It is a shtick and I don't think anyone at this point necessarily is really buying it.

00:25:50.880 But again, whether it's him, whether it's Candace, whether it's any of these other provocateurs, 0.95

00:25:57.000 one of Tucker's acolytes is this little execrable, loathsome scoundrel named Kurt Mills. 0.53

00:26:02.060 He's the executive director, whatever his title is, of the publication calling himself the 0.97

00:26:06.400 American Conservative.

00:26:07.500 There's nothing particularly conservative about them.

00:26:10.060 You know, I mean, they call themselves America first.

00:26:12.840 But if you look at the social media accounts that oftentimes are boosting their content.

00:26:18.460 So I noticed this with Tucker recently.

00:26:20.280 Tucker had on that that nun, the nun who had the mustache. 0.73

00:26:23.200 I mean, OK, whatever.

00:26:24.240 So the mustachioed nun goes on the Tucker Carlson show and invariably starts accusing Israel of 1.00

00:26:30.040 genocide, famine and all these other various libels and slanders.

00:26:33.800 And I decided to go on social media and try to scan what accounts are reposting or quote

00:26:38.960 tweeting it.

00:26:40.020 And it's like Al Quds and like a lot of like, you know, Qatar, Palestinian, Arab, Russian accounts,

00:26:46.100 Chinese accounts there.

00:26:47.360 I saw another clip that Dinesh D'Souza posted on social media this week or last week of this

00:26:52.800 former Muslim Brotherhood jihadi who's going on a podcast over in London or the UK somewhere

00:26:58.160 else and is just saying that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene

00:27:03.180 and these others are literally doing their work for them.

00:27:06.180 They are literally doing their PR work for them.

00:27:08.840 So it's nuts.

00:27:11.120 It's absolutely nuts.

00:27:12.640 Yeah.

00:27:12.760 But it's so convoluted.

00:27:15.380 Yeah, just a minute, Jake.

00:27:16.340 It's so convoluted.

00:27:17.760 And they really do a great job of masking it to, you know, purposely lead Americans away

00:27:29.460 from the truth.

00:27:30.440 They purposely are confusing.

00:27:34.180 And that makes me really angry because, I mean, that's just downright evil to confuse Americans.

00:27:42.760 And to get them to go against their best interests.

00:27:47.260 That's the goal, though.

00:27:48.740 Like, literally, they have numerous goals.

00:27:50.900 I think one of their goals is to just divide MAGA and try to supplant it with something

00:27:54.240 else entirely.

00:27:55.080 But one of their goals is actually exactly what you said.

00:27:57.560 It's a very important point.

00:27:58.680 I think one of their deliberate, intentional goals is to induce mass brain rot, is to actually

00:28:03.860 make people question the most basic facts, to make people question, oh, is the sky blue?

00:28:09.980 Oh, actually, I'm not sure if it's blue, actually.

00:28:11.620 Maybe it's orange.

00:28:12.860 Maybe it's chemtrails.

00:28:13.820 I don't know.

00:28:14.360 I mean, they're literally trying to make you question your sanity.

00:28:17.140 The original definition of gaslighting, of course, is to question your very own mental

00:28:20.700 sanity.

00:28:21.360 Because if they're able to do that, then they feel that they are able to pick up market

00:28:25.520 share and just say the crazy stuff imaginable, such as what Candace Owens has accused me

00:28:29.480 of doing when it comes to Charlie Kirk.

00:28:31.040 I mean, but all that's-

00:28:32.120 She accused you of participating in this assassination.

00:28:38.580 She did.

00:28:39.360 And this all went down over the Jewish holiday of Sukkot.

00:28:42.000 I was offline observing the Yom Tov.

00:28:44.040 I had someone come up to me in a synagogue and say, you know, you should, you know, you're

00:28:49.060 going to be in for something when you turn your phone back on.

00:28:51.640 I said, okay.

00:28:52.780 And yeah, pretty insane, to put it mildly. 0.99

00:28:56.100 I mean, demented, evil, satanic, demonic. 1.00

00:28:58.900 I mean, like a lunatic. 0.99

00:29:00.160 I mean, you know, insert your adjective or noun of choice. 0.94

00:29:03.540 You know, Roseanne, among the things that I am is I'm a lawyer by my background.

00:29:07.020 I clerked in the Federal Corps of Appeals.

00:29:08.900 I've spoken in Harvard Law School, Yale Law School.

00:29:11.020 I know a thing or two about the law, okay?

00:29:13.240 And I'm speaking with other lawyers, and it seems to me like we have a potentially very

00:29:17.200 serious defamation case on our hands.

00:29:19.180 We will see if I decide to pull the trigger and go forward.

00:29:22.320 I'm still at the stage where I'm mulling it there.

00:29:24.100 But what she has said to me is so utterly preposterous, so utterly evil, so clearly putting

00:29:30.580 myself and my family's security in harm's way.

00:29:33.540 We've been talking with law enforcement and all that there.

00:29:35.360 It's just so, so incredibly beneath anything that I can possibly say about there that,

00:29:41.340 yes, we are very seriously considering litigation, and I suppose stay tuned for that.

00:29:44.760 Back in the day before America liberalized its involuntary commitment laws back in the

00:29:49.220 1960s, this is absolutely the kind of thing that would have put you in the loony bin, in

00:29:53.540 the mental ward.

00:29:55.580 And, you know, perhaps that's the kind of thing that should happen at this point yet

00:29:57.920 again.

00:29:58.100 I think so, too, because when you're calling an entire people demonic, I mean, I feel like

00:30:05.340 we could do a class action suit against her. 0.99

00:30:07.660 When she's calling every living Jew a demonic, you know, a demonic presence on earth, that's 0.83

00:30:16.960 beyond, that's Hitler. 0.63

00:30:19.180 It's literally Nazi rhetoric, correct? 0.85

00:30:21.500 It is, it's, and I mean, that is satanic.

00:30:27.680 I mean, we fought, America fought a war against that.

00:30:32.100 Our grandfathers here fought and died against that, to defeat that.

00:30:37.780 And that she sits there and repeats that is just such, you know, evil speech. 0.73

00:30:43.000 You know, and in Judaism, we are, you know, we try hard not to speak evil speech because

00:30:51.680 we know that arouses, you know, that arouses the whole satanic presence to come against

00:31:00.120 the person who speaks it.

00:31:02.220 So I'm always looking at her and I feel sorry for her.

00:31:07.800 And I actually pray for her deliverance from being a captive to that.

00:31:12.700 And I do believe she is a captive to that.

00:31:16.900 I think she's, her soul has been overtaken.

00:31:20.400 And, you know, I do pray for her to be released because no one can actually say those kind of

00:31:26.600 things.

00:31:27.000 And, you know, I just don't think God will stand for it.

00:31:31.580 I don't think he will stand for that people who come to destroy the soul of America at this

00:31:36.960 time.

00:31:37.480 I don't believe it.

00:31:39.320 And at that, at this time, I'd like to switch into all that stuff we've already said, but

00:31:46.080 about the, the peace deal in Israel and the release of the hostages.

00:31:52.780 How are you feeling about that?

00:31:54.860 I mean, it is a great, it is a great thing, isn't it?

00:31:57.760 The release of the hostages.

00:31:59.860 Well, it's beautiful.

00:32:00.580 It's an, it's an, it's an absolutely beautiful thing.

00:32:03.220 It's, it's frankly something that I didn't necessarily see coming.

00:32:05.840 I had somewhat ridden off this last tranche of hostages as a likely casualty of the war.

00:32:13.320 I genuinely did not see it coming, but to the Trump administration's credit, they did

00:32:17.640 see it coming.

00:32:18.360 You know, Roseanne, my, my, my wife and I went to Trump Doral, his big golf resort in

00:32:22.800 the Miami area on the one year anniversary of October 7th.

00:32:25.820 So it would have been last October 7th, 2024, about a month before the election.

00:32:29.220 And I remember President Trump saying that we have not forgotten about the hostages.

00:32:33.380 We're not going to leave any stone unturned until we get them.

00:32:36.960 And that sure enough has been their exact mentality in the White House ever since they came back

00:32:41.200 to power in January.

00:32:42.800 So it's just a beautiful, beautiful story.

00:32:46.540 Two years to the day from, from the Jewish holiday of Simchat Torah two years ago when

00:32:51.280 the massacre happened.

00:32:53.380 And it's, you know, it's, to your point, it's hard not to look at these sorts of things and

00:32:57.440 say that there is, that there is a divine hand at play here.

00:33:00.760 What I will say, though, is when it comes to the future steps of, of this arrangement

00:33:06.040 in Gaza, I, I'm, I'm suspicious.

00:33:08.560 I, I am, I am, I'm skeptical naturally that Hamas is going to just lay down its arms.

00:33:13.780 I'm not entirely sure exactly what the enforcement mechanism is going to be to ensure that that

00:33:17.880 happens.

00:33:18.280 I have a lot of questions, a lot of questions when it comes to all of that.

00:33:22.260 But for now, but for now, this is a time simply to celebrate.

00:33:25.660 This is a beautiful, beautiful thing we've seen here.

00:33:27.300 It is so miraculous to see how God works for peace in the world, how, how, how the hand

00:33:40.660 of God moves in the world is that how I'm seeing it to see how the United States, America moves

00:33:52.820 in that direction to specifically Trump, what a mind he has.

00:33:58.500 And that's why it's so upsetting to see people who used to be, you know, like Candace and Tucker

00:34:06.540 and all these other people who used to really back Trump and understand what a brilliant mind

00:34:12.880 he has and how imperative it was to get him elected for peace in the world, for a new direction,

00:34:21.180 for, you know, defeating the real enemies of America and what America stands for.

00:34:26.720 Now to turn on him at this hour when he has already brought so many peace treaties to the

00:34:34.080 world and he understands that this is a new time in the world that America can leave behind,

00:34:41.880 you know, old programs and, and, and, and bring something new and better.

00:34:48.500 And they would turn on him in this hour is upsetting to me.

00:34:52.320 But, uh, I think that this peace treaty today is just proof of what a great president we have.

00:35:00.560 And I, I just encourage people to stay the course.

00:35:03.740 And I think that everything will come out and we'll understand everything sooner or later

00:35:09.400 as it builds into, uh, you know, remaking America in, in, into the country that Americans

00:35:17.660 sent their children to fight and die for.

00:35:20.600 I think, you know, Rose, Rose, Rose, I think back to the 2016 presidential primary a lot.

00:35:26.360 I think back to what they said about Donald Trump back when he first ran for president.

00:35:29.680 And if you think back then, they said that he was a warmonger, that he was going to start

00:35:34.340 world war three.

00:35:35.260 You know, frankly, a lot of folks were actually saying that about him as recently as June.

00:35:38.520 I mean, that's what Tucker Carlson was, was basically saying when it came to the, to the lead

00:35:42.960 up to the Israel Iran war and the limited American intervention in the form of the B2 bombers.

00:35:47.220 But people from the left to the quote unquote, right have accused president Trump of being

00:35:52.300 a crypto fascist and a warmonger ever since his first days of running for president. 0.61

00:35:57.620 But has there ever been a more pro peace, pro global stability presidents in recent American

00:36:03.500 history?

00:36:04.100 I think the answer is no.

00:36:06.000 I think the answer is very clearly no.

00:36:07.920 I mean, whether it is Thailand and Cambodia, whether it's India and Pakistan, two nuclear powers,

00:36:13.100 by the way, India and Pakistan, that could have gotten really bad. 0.65

00:36:16.200 Donald Trump got a, got a ceasefire ASAP Rwanda and the Congo and sub-Saharan Africa.

00:36:21.080 That was a really bloody tribal conflict that he got a ceasefire there.

00:36:24.820 Armenia and Azerbaijan.

00:36:25.880 My goodness, this thing totally flew under the radar.

00:36:28.880 I was there.

00:36:29.880 I was in Armenia.

00:36:30.840 I was on the Azeri border.

00:36:32.380 I saw this conflict firsthand on a trip I was on about two years ago, extremely bitter conflict

00:36:38.800 going on three and a half, four decades, ethnic, religious, sectarian conflict, multiple wars.

00:36:44.480 I think it was in August, Donald Trump had the heads of both Armenia and Azerbaijan sitting

00:36:48.680 at a table, clinking champagne glasses, toasting to the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:36:52.840 I mean, my God, I mean, I mean, there's literally peace deals happening left and right.

00:36:56.540 At the same time, the Democratic Party, which once upon a time was the party of the Kent State's

00:37:02.000 college protest or George McGovern in 1972, the party of opposing the Vietnam War, the peacenik

00:37:06.720 party, you know, they've been the party of aggressive war when it comes to the Russia

00:37:10.440 Ukraine theater for the, you know, for much of the past few years. 0.97

00:37:14.220 And they're also just galling hypocrites because when it comes to Gaza, they've been 0.94

00:37:18.400 calling for a ceasefire now, ceasefire now. 0.98

00:37:20.760 OK, guess what?

00:37:22.120 We have a ceasefire.

00:37:23.500 We literally now have a ceasefire.

00:37:25.040 And where are they?

00:37:25.840 They're nowhere to be found.

00:37:27.300 You know me.

00:37:28.100 I stopped trusting anything coming out of big food and big farmer a long time ago.

00:37:33.400 And here's one more reason why.

00:37:35.480 I don't buy beef from grocery chains anymore.

00:37:39.300 Think about it.

00:37:40.380 They couldn't get everybody to line up for them jabs four to six times a year.

00:37:44.960 So what's the next move?

00:37:46.620 Easy.

00:37:47.260 Sneak it into the food we eat every single day.

00:37:50.100 And where does most of America get their food?

00:37:52.780 The grocery store.

00:37:54.280 Right now, places like Costco and Walmart are selling beef that's been injected with

00:37:59.300 mRNA.

00:38:01.020 It's terrifying.

00:38:01.820 And here's the kicker.

00:38:03.060 They don't have to label it.

00:38:04.280 They don't have to tell you.

00:38:06.840 And the media sure as hell isn't going to warn you.

00:38:09.840 That's why the wellness company launched Wellness Farms. 0.57

00:38:13.840 And it's the only beef I trust.

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00:38:27.920 This is literally farm to table.

00:38:30.700 No middlemen.

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00:38:32.980 Just the rancher, the butcher, and the UPS truck bringing it to your door.

00:38:37.180 And if you've seen those mystery meat videos online, yeah, I'm not risking that.

00:38:43.620 Your health and your DNA are worth protecting.

00:38:47.200 So take back control and eat food you can actually trust.

00:38:51.600 Go to twc.health forward slash RB and use the code RB to save up to $30 and get free shipping

00:39:00.700 on your Wellness Farms order.

00:39:02.660 Jake, what did you want to ask?

00:39:04.900 Because I cut you off before.

00:39:06.560 Yeah, well, I'm so sorry about the internet.

00:39:08.380 This is driving us all crazy.

00:39:09.840 So thank you for sticking with us, Josh.

00:39:11.260 My question was back in the Candace days.

00:39:13.020 I know we moved on to the peace treaty.

00:39:15.020 But I just had a question.

00:39:16.640 You guys know more about this than I do.

00:39:18.500 So I'm asking both of you.

00:39:19.500 But it seems to me that the Candace and Tucker thing that nobody's talking about is the Catholic

00:39:23.480 bent on it.

00:39:24.440 Because I saw some leaked texts between Candace and Hannah Faulkner, a friend of mine.

00:39:29.600 And she was talking about she's just over the lies of Judeo-Christian and Judeo-Christianity.

00:39:37.480 And I just found out...

00:39:38.400 Well, Candace doesn't exist. 1.00

00:39:40.360 Yeah, so is it really just a market share push for turning point?

00:39:45.200 Or do you think it's something far more sinister?

00:39:46.520 Like she thinks Jews have sort of clutched on to her Lord and Savior and were this thing

00:39:50.960 that she has this claw off the back to save the true Christian thing. 0.65

00:39:54.340 I feel like there's something in her that's bigger than...

00:39:57.740 This is Candace you're talking about, right?

00:39:59.640 Yes.

00:40:00.300 And Tucker.

00:40:01.020 Because Tucker, although he's not a Catholic, it's that nun that was on the mustache. 0.95

00:40:06.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:07.140 No, Tucker had this absurd and amazing, amazing in a bad sense, an awesome in a bad sense show.

00:40:15.080 He had this episode back in August where he had this pastor on his show.

00:40:17.860 The pastor's been doing campus ministry for four decades.

00:40:21.460 And Tucker made an astounding confession.

00:40:25.920 Tucker, who called himself a Christian, has this pastor on his show.

00:40:29.860 And he says, you know what?

00:40:31.380 I read the Old Testament for the first time last year.

00:40:33.800 Oh, really?

00:40:34.740 Oh, really?

00:40:35.300 You read the Old...

00:40:36.280 Dude, I mean, you're in your, like, what, 50s or however old Tucker is?

00:40:40.540 You call yourself a Christian?

00:40:41.680 You read 75% roughly of your Bible for the first time last year?

00:40:46.440 So Tucker goes on.

00:40:47.580 He goes, I read the Old Testament for the first time and I was struck by the violence and the murder and the genocide.

00:40:55.420 Now, the pastor, the guest, to his great credit, did not take the bait at all.

00:41:00.020 But I gave a speech, you know, Roseanne Jacob, a week or two after this episode at the National Conservatism Conference in Washington, D.C.

00:41:08.940 My speech was actually on the Hebrew Bible. 0.97

00:41:10.800 And I began my speech by talking about how what Tucker said is not just ignorant, which literally, by definition, it is grossly ignorant. 0.97

00:41:20.800 It's actually heretical. 0.70

00:41:22.520 It is heresy on Christianity's own terms for the following reason, which is that there was a second century Christian theologian called Marcion of Sinope, who in the very early days of the church said he argued that the God of the Old Testament, the Jewish God of the Hebrew Bible, is not Jesus, is not the God of the New Testament there.

00:41:41.540 And he was universally condemned as being heretical.

00:41:44.160 This is literally to this day recognized as a form of Christian heresy called Marcionism.

00:41:48.500 But Tucker Carlson is a Marcionite.

00:41:50.300 He is literally a Christian heretic on Christianity's own terms. 0.74

00:41:54.760 Candace Owens, who calls herself a Catholic there, you know, makes this very heavy handed argument. 0.95

00:42:00.780 I mean, part of this whole conversation, which is particularly, I find, offensive, not as a Jew, but as a friend to many Catholics, is that Candace has also been saying, oh, Charlie Kirk was on the verge of converting to Catholicism.

00:42:13.200 I mean, what are you implying exactly?

00:42:15.120 She seems to be implying that Catholicism and the Catholic Church give you license to hate Jews, give you license to just bash Israel.

00:42:24.100 I mean, maybe that would have been the case for part of the church's history.

00:42:26.940 It definitely has not been the case since Vatican II in 1965.

00:42:29.620 Well, she's not, she doesn't like Vatican II.

00:42:34.580 For sure.

00:42:35.280 She's the Catholic, like Mel Gibson, that hates that.

00:42:40.700 For sure.

00:42:41.420 No, she's definitely not a fan of Vatican II.

00:42:44.040 Look, we can kind of go like Bible verse by Bible verse.

00:42:48.880 I mean, there's definitely some stuff, you know, in the New Testament, the Gospel of Matthew comes to mind.

00:42:53.280 There are obviously some lines that, taken out of context, can be read in a not friendly light to the Jewish people.

00:42:58.960 There's also a lot of other lines, you know, Romans 9 through 11.

00:43:01.760 I mean, to be clear, I'm an observant Jew.

00:43:03.440 I'm not a Christian theologian.

00:43:04.380 But there are plenty of lines, Romans 9 through 11, that seem to be very, very, very pro-Jewish as well.

00:43:10.060 I think it's actually a lot simpler than that, Roseanne.

00:43:12.760 It's a lot simpler than that.

00:43:14.080 As I said earlier, literally 75% of the Christian Bible is the Hebrew Bible.

00:43:18.840 Roughly 25% is the New Testament.

00:43:20.840 It is actually a much statistically, numerically, like literally number of pages and verses, much smaller portion than the Old Testament.

00:43:28.300 Like we quite literally share much more in common than we don't.

00:43:32.600 We gave to the world all of the beautiful political theory of the Torah, of the five books of Moses there.

00:43:40.140 You know, so much of what we take for granted today, this is actually a big part of my book, Israel and Civilization, by the way,

00:43:45.260 is I talk about how so much of what we take for granted today when it comes to day-to-day ethics and morals,

00:43:49.940 when it comes to love your neighbor as yourself, when it comes to Genesis 127,

00:43:54.060 the notion that man is made in the image of God, therefore we all have equal moral dignity.

00:43:58.440 You know, you don't get the 14th Amendment to the Constitution if you don't have Genesis 127.

00:44:02.940 You talk about political structure, separation of powers.

00:44:05.280 That's right there actually in the Hebrew Bible as well.

00:44:08.020 I mean, all of this goes back to the shared inheritance of Judaism and Christianity.

00:44:12.420 When people use the phrase Judeo-Christian, that's what they're talking about.

00:44:15.580 That's why I continue to defend the term to this day.

00:44:18.400 Well, because it's the same source.

00:44:21.200 And I don't understand people who are, you know, dedicated to destroying their own source.

00:44:28.460 I mean, that seems weird to me.

00:44:31.340 It's evil.

00:44:32.120 It's positively evil.

00:44:33.580 And it's just a sad reality of the times that there are some people. 0.76

00:44:38.580 You know, I mentioned this clown early in our conversation, this guy, Kurt Mills, who's like a Tucker acolyte.

00:44:43.800 Again, this kid is the executive director of a publication calling himself the American Conservative. 0.73

00:44:48.920 At the conference I just mentioned, the National Conservatism Conference, there was a bar in the middle.

00:44:54.940 And I wasn't there with him, but I had numerous friends tell me that they overheard him getting a little sloppy with his drinks and he was getting a little loose-lipped.

00:45:04.460 And he apparently told people they're listening in.

00:45:06.700 I hear this from multiple people, so I think it's pretty corroborated.

00:45:08.740 He said that his number one goal, his literally number one goal of the second Trump administration is to help to drive a wedge between the U.S. and Israel and a wedge between Jews and Christians, between evangelicals and Jews.

00:45:23.740 Now, this guy edits a publication called The American Conservative.

00:45:27.880 You might think that his top goal would be rising wages or bringing jobs back home or securing the southern border or deterring communist China or stopping the fentanyl crisis.

00:45:38.380 No.

00:45:38.820 This guy's number one goal is driving a wedge between evangelicals and Jews.

00:45:42.560 I think that says everything that you need to know.

00:45:45.140 Yeah.

00:45:45.340 And Thomas and Tucker are doing that, too.

00:45:46.940 Why do they want a wedge between believers in America and Israel?

00:45:54.700 Why do you think they want that?

00:45:56.600 Wouldn't that get sort of a caliphate?

00:45:59.800 Yes.

00:46:00.540 That definitely would run the risk of a Middle East-wide caliphate. 0.87

00:46:05.300 And to be clear, some of them seem to want that, actually.

00:46:07.800 Yeah, they do.

00:46:08.640 Yeah.

00:46:08.860 I mean, this kind of gets back to our Tucker conversation.

00:46:10.980 Tucker offering various forms of Sharia law, apologia.

00:46:14.200 Oh, you know, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, First World City.

00:46:16.780 Sharia law, clearly not that bad. 1.00

00:46:18.960 I mean, you know, this is probably the reason, too.

00:46:20.920 I mean, Tucker Carlson flew all the way to Romania to interview Andrew Tate, Candace Owens, a noted apologist for Andrew Tate.

00:46:28.940 Andrew Tate, a horrific human being when it comes to the credible allegations of sex trafficking and all that.

00:46:36.700 Also a convert to Islam.

00:46:38.360 Andrew Tate is someone who called Yahya Sinwar, the mastermind of October 7th, a hero.

00:46:43.500 Andrew Tate is someone who was called for London, England, to be conquered in the name of an Islamist caliphate, in the name of Sharia law.

00:46:51.060 So if you really kind of scratch the surface and look deep in the bowels of some of these wings of the, you call the quote-unquote far right, whatever you want.

00:46:59.300 Again, I don't actually like that label.

00:47:00.980 A lot of them seem to be implying, Roseanne, that Christianity's true friend is not Judaism but Islam.

00:47:09.180 Yeah, that's it. Exactly.

00:47:11.680 Exactly.

00:47:12.760 Yeah, which is really astounding. 0.97

00:47:14.680 It's historically ignorant, to put it mildly.

00:47:16.720 I mean, there was that whole Crusades thing about a thousand years ago. 0.90

00:47:20.060 There was the siege of Vienna from the Ottoman Turks in the middle of the 17th century.

00:47:24.920 I mean, Christianity and Islam have a very complicated history.

00:47:27.560 I mean, it was literally the first and second Barbary wars during the Jefferson and Madison presidencies that ultimately galvanized the U.S. really build up its navy in earnest.

00:47:41.420 You know, these wars against literal Muslim pirates. 0.98

00:47:44.060 But nonetheless, that is a very fringe argument that you see out there with increased frequency.

00:47:47.980 Yeah, and you see the Catholic Church really participating in it, too, because, you know, UN Agenda 30 calls for a one-world religion, and it seems to be Chrislam. 1.00

00:48:00.500 When you look at the way that they are coming together more and more, especially in the Arab world, you know, Chrislam is the destruction of Christianity and Judaism. 1.00

00:48:12.780 And they're morphing into this kind of hybrid religion, which, you know, like Jake and I have discussed, that, you know, both of them are actually Zionists.

00:48:25.560 They just want a Zion that's Judenrime. 1.00

00:48:30.280 Well, look, I mean, I have a lot of, you know, religious Catholic friends there.

00:48:34.900 I mean, I'm not a particularly huge fan of the—

00:48:37.200 I'm not talking about traditional.

00:48:38.380 I'm talking about a whole new thing that they're working towards, which was kind of pioneered in Jeremiah Wright's church.

00:48:45.520 Right. 0.86

00:48:46.060 Well, Jeremiah Wright, I mean, yeah, a vowed enemy of America, a vowed enemy of the Jews, an anti-white bigot, frankly, Jeremiah Wright, right, you know, contemptible, contemptible stuff.

00:48:58.040 Look, it seems to me that many of our contemporary conversations today, and, you know, you were just talking about globalism or universalism, a lot of it really does boil down to nationalism versus universalism.

00:49:11.320 And this is one of the many—to me, Roseanne, this is literally the reason—if I were to tell you what is the number one reason that anti-Semitism, that hatred of Jewish people is—and hatred of Judaism, the number one reason this is the bigotry that simply will not die, the chameleon of all bigotries going back 4,000 to 5,000 years, I will tell you what that reason is.

00:49:34.440 The reason is because the very concept of the Jew and the enduring nature of the Jew is a reminder of particularism, a refusal to be subsumed and to be homogenized into the universalist masses, going all the way back to the days of antiquity when it comes to the Roman Empire and various empires back then, whether it comes to contemporary, softer forms of tyranny, such as the United Nations and the World Economic Forum or even harsher forms of tyranny. 0.84

00:50:02.140 The Jew always persists. The Jew always clings to his God, to his ways, the mitzvot, the commandments, and so forth there. 1.00

00:50:10.760 And Israel, of course, is the Jew of the nations. They will not be subsumed into the globalist masses either.

00:50:17.040 By the way, there's actually a biblical predicate for this. I would argue that the original model of the nation-state is actually found right there in the Bible.

00:50:25.400 To me, it's actually where King David unites the tribes of Israel in Jerusalem, announcing a united kingdom there.

00:50:33.000 He had no extraterritorial ambitions for the very simple reason that the borders were defined by God himself, who wasn't trying to invade anywhere else there.

00:50:39.800 It was a nation-state. It had borders, and it was tribes united there. That's the nation-state.

00:50:43.340 So if you hate particularism, if you hate nationalism, then you're more likely to be anti-Semitic than not.

00:50:52.100 Certainly, Islam is very much a globalizing, hegemonic, universalist ideology. 1.00

00:50:58.260 The Catholic Church, back in the day, a long time ago, very much had that as well.

00:51:02.040 You definitely hear snippets of that as well from people like Pope Francis as well there.

00:51:07.920 But globalism, unfortunately, is one of the enemies of the Jewish people.

00:51:12.140 It simply will not go away, it seems.

00:51:14.900 Yeah. The Jews are the inconvenient truth to all empires. 1.00

00:51:19.900 Yes. Exactly right. 0.99

00:51:22.100 What would you say to the people that call us the globalists?

00:51:25.100 Because one of the things I always hear is when Tucker says, I'm just anti-globalist,

00:51:27.980 and they're like, that's anti-Semitism, because he's really referring to the Jews as globalists.

00:51:34.200 So that's kind of the opposite of what you're saying.

00:51:35.920 The cosmopolitan Jews, you know, because a lot of Jews are globalists.

00:51:42.480 You know, there's so many different kinds of Jews, and I always resent when they say the Jews rather than some Jews.

00:51:49.680 You know, they always think there's only one kind of Jew when there are so many different kinds of Jews.

00:51:55.220 Right. Yeah, look, some people probably, not probably, some people definitely do use globalist as a buzzword for Jew,

00:52:04.460 the same way that some people use neocon as a buzzword for Jew.

00:52:08.480 But these are real words that have real meanings.

00:52:10.860 I mean, globalist also has a real meaning.

00:52:13.740 Neoconservative also has a real meaning.

00:52:15.640 So it very much just depends on the intention as to how it's used.

00:52:19.700 I mean, I think of global affairs as being essentially a dichotomy.

00:52:24.560 You have the nation state or you have global governance.

00:52:27.380 We can we can quibble about the terminology.

00:52:29.620 I don't I don't particularly care exactly what the nomenclature is.

00:52:32.840 I believe in the nation states.

00:52:34.660 I believe I believe in borders.

00:52:36.440 I believe in in in cultures and religions and that we are that that the world is typically best governed when people are able to govern themselves with people who generally speaking, think, act and believe like them there.

00:52:51.440 Otherwise, you end up with a lot of the horrors, for instance, that contemporary Europe, the UK, Belgium, France are all experiencing when it comes to massive third world Islamic immigration. 1.00

00:52:58.980 So that's that's my cards on the table there.

00:53:01.940 The alternative, you know, if you want to go down the rabbit hole of of John Lennon's song, Imagine, right, kind of a globalism creed decor.

00:53:09.700 I mean, again, you want to call it globalism, universalism.

00:53:12.380 I don't really care, but that's a thing.

00:53:14.520 I mean, that's a thing.

00:53:15.400 I mean, George Soros, you know, his whole open society foundation is literally called open society.

00:53:21.900 Well, what's open?

00:53:23.020 Well, among other things, the borders are open there.

00:53:24.780 So, again, we can quibble what to call it there, but it's very much a real thing and it should be criticized.

00:53:29.920 Yeah, it's also like anti-tribal people, anti-tribal rights and just a big old corporatocracy where and corporations are the least, you know, they have the least liberty of anything in the world.

00:53:46.860 You can be fired for you don't even have to know the reason you're fired.

00:53:50.560 You know, it's fiefdom.

00:53:52.240 Corporatocracy is fiefdom.

00:53:53.700 So, and serfs, you know, serfs, they have their serfs who are, you know, it's like this, hierarchical rule.

00:54:02.080 Jewish people have always been for horizontal rule rather than vertical rule. 0.54

00:54:07.000 And I think that all Candace and Tucker seem to really like vertical rule.

00:54:12.660 I think it's that, it's that, it's really that ideology that we're fighting.

00:54:20.840 And America's never, ever, although it has gone down that road, America is supposed to be of the people, by the people and for the people, which is horizontal rule.

00:54:30.720 And, you know, I hope people will stay the course and not lose their faith, stay behind Trump and not let themselves be divided by old superstitious bigotry that is just bubbling under the surface all the time because we've been fed it our whole lives.

00:54:49.980 And I hope they'll stay smart and on top of it and not be dragged down into a cesspool that's way too hard to get out of.

00:54:58.640 Yeah, well said.

00:55:00.080 Amen.

00:55:00.420 That's all that we can hope for.

00:55:02.280 And it's incumbent upon all of us to push back in our own capacities.

00:55:05.920 You know, I get asked a lot, actually, you know, are they going to prevail? 0.95

00:55:09.600 You know, are the, you know, are the stirs of the, of the, of the, of all this garbage, are the, are the folks who are starting to kind of stoke the flames of this Jewish Christian holy war? 1.00

00:55:21.820 God forbid. 0.95

00:55:22.740 I mean, are they, are they going to actually prevail here?

00:55:25.540 And the reason, the way that they do not prevail is if you have enough good people who speak up and say, stop right there.

00:55:32.560 And, you know, that's what I'm trying to lend a voice to.

00:55:34.660 That's what you're trying to lend a voice to.

00:55:35.800 So we can only do what we can in our own individual capacities, but, you know, call me naive, call me stubborn, starry-eyed, but I continue to believe that for the majority of the American people, that facts and reality still prevail, that we are not in an entirely post-fact, post-truth, post-reality environment.

00:55:54.580 There are definitely a lot of people who have, who have been so gaslit by the Candace Owens' of the world that they really are kind of down that rabbit hole.

00:56:01.280 But for most people, again, call me naive, maybe I am, but for most people, I still think that the facts and reality really do still matter, and we'll fight it with everything we got, that's for sure.

00:56:12.020 And we have to remember, thank you so much for saying that, but we remember that God's the one that wins.

00:56:19.960 And God really likes that we love each other, not hate each other.

00:56:26.840 And we'll watch and see what he does.

00:56:30.000 He's doing a lot of great things, and I think he's going to continue to do even more great things.

00:56:36.040 Thank you so much, Josh.

00:56:37.620 God bless you.

00:56:39.080 Happy holidays.

00:56:40.760 Remember to feel joy.

00:56:42.920 Chag Sameach, Roseanne.

00:56:43.940 Really appreciate this.

00:56:44.880 It's great to connect with you, and I look forward to joining again sometime.

00:56:47.000 Yeah, we'd love to have you back when there's not so many technical difficulties.

00:56:51.060 I had so many questions I couldn't get into, so please promise you to come back.

00:56:54.660 Looking forward to it.

00:56:55.440 You bet.

00:56:56.280 Thank you.

00:56:57.140 God bless you guys.

00:56:57.800 Thank you very much.

00:56:58.300 Oh, you see, my patience is growing thin.

00:57:08.920 With this synthetic world, we're living in.

The Roseanne Barr Podcast - October 24, 2025

Josh Hammer ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #120

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