The Roseanne Barr Podcast - Marianne Williamson ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #018

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00:00:57.820 agreement with eye gaming ontario hi everybody welcome to the roseanne bar podcast it's going

00:01:04.820 to be a very interesting show today everyone's told me that i i uh i mostly have interviewed people um

00:01:12.520 from maga and uh and uh you know stayed on that side of things but uh you know i think you you might

00:01:22.680 have grasped if you're smart that you know i'm not easily definable nor containable in my ideas and so

00:01:30.520 i'd like to cover the entire perspective of stuff that's going on politically in our country so i'm

00:01:36.660 very excited that i finally got some people from the democrat party and uh you know more uh leaning

00:01:44.400 leftward um from middle of course to agree to talk to me a lot of them are really afraid

00:01:51.860 thinking that i'm not able to converse in a civil manner but of course i am and uh excited to do so

00:02:05.080 today with uh somebody who is a presidential candidate you guys know that i ran for president

00:02:11.940 in 2012 as a as a socialist and found my way you know to where i am now but i'm very excited to have

00:02:22.860 a guest that i have previously interviewed and spoken with several times including having a lovely

00:02:29.300 dinner with but uh on my talk show i interviewed her and i'm excited to have her today a presidential

00:02:37.180 candidate from the democratic party marianne williamson hi marianne hi roseanne it's so nice

00:02:44.560 to see you thank you for having me thank you for being on i i guess we saw each other before the turn

00:02:51.700 of this century wasn't it like 19 actually yeah i think yeah things have definitely changed a lot

00:03:02.600 haven't they it's a different world it it's definitely a different world i remember last time we spoke you

00:03:10.340 came on my talk show and we were talking about um you know uh it was a a really uh interesting

00:03:18.260 conversation for me uh i was i was really amazed at the way you handled things we had an audience at

00:03:24.220 the time that would uh ask us questions you know we took questions from the audience and somebody

00:03:30.900 somebody's a man he stood up and started giving you the you know business they're coming saying blah blah

00:03:39.460 and you listened i learned a lot from this marianne you you listened very calmly

00:03:46.820 and i thought you were going to go ballistic because i was at that time somebody who went

00:03:53.180 ballistic and uh you know when i heard opinions that i thought were abhorrent um but you listened

00:04:01.200 very carefully and you said i disagree and thank you for sharing your opinion i was blown away i i really

00:04:09.340 admire that about you that you're able to claim your space and stand in it and you're not it's not easy to

00:04:16.460 pull you off of your intention and i really admire that about you thank you thank you i appreciate

00:04:22.520 you saying that i have a lot of opportunity to practice those skills right now yeah i think since

00:04:29.720 we last spoke we both have had a lot of opportunities to learn self what do you call it uh really it's an

00:04:37.500 emotional self-discipline yeah it is an emotional self-discipline isn't that the hardest thing of all

00:04:43.780 i think also when you're in a public space people are watching how you react to things

00:04:50.900 they're watching to how you react to things as much as they're watching and listening to you when

00:04:57.480 you're just presenting your beliefs uh when somebody comes at you i've noticed that i've noticed that

00:05:02.780 throughout my career how you handle moments like that is a serious issue

00:05:08.880 it is and uh it it seems right now the time time we find ourself in uh people really get easily

00:05:19.260 triggered and pulled off their intention to uh go to a real ugly place that i don't like well i think

00:05:27.680 i think that there are factors that actually uh encourage that social media uh twitter is such a

00:05:37.520 successful and a lot of even the news media that is looking for that sensational aspect you know

00:05:43.940 it's interesting um i heard a man uh he's a democratic congressman and he was talking about some of his

00:05:52.160 republican colleagues in the house of representatives he said you know behind closed doors they're really

00:05:57.580 reasonable people it's in front of the camera that they feel their job is to be all oppositional

00:06:05.440 and sensational but behind the closed doors we sit down and we have rational conversations

00:06:10.100 well that's really terrible what's happened to america i remember many years ago i was visiting the

00:06:17.040 congress and i remember dennis kucinich was a was a congressman at the time and we were having lunch

00:06:22.240 and this was during the bill clinton impeachment trials and lindsey graham was a congressman and lindsey

00:06:30.060 graham was one of the main critics of the president so i was getting on the on the elevator with dennis

00:06:37.260 and dennis or lindsey and lindsey they were hey hi lindsey hi dennis and clearly they were like bros you

00:06:42.940 know they were like good friends i got on the elevator and and dennis saw that i was kind of bristling

00:06:50.780 he said what what's what's with you and i said well you know he's so awful about what a clinton or whatever he said

00:06:56.460 miriam that's all just for show real that's just on tv and i thought to myself great we get the poison

00:07:05.020 the television audience the culture is poisoned by that oppositional you know it was a book by matt

00:07:11.820 tayiby called hate inc and about how the first show that did that he said was a show um remember

00:07:19.340 it called crossfire kids are raised raised with this and and you get to the point where nobody in

00:07:25.900 the culture thinks that we can have a civil conversation with people who don't agree with us

00:07:32.780 which is dangerous really dangerous this is not all dangerous it's so dangerous that's why i came back

00:07:39.740 to television because i didn't like the direction it was going this was years ago too what is it five

00:07:45.340 years ago and i thought uh we can't be that severely divided at all it's not you know like they say a

00:07:51.900 house divided against itself can't stand and i i really wanted to show uh a family that that had a

00:07:59.900 hillary hater and a trump hater but they still loved each other i thought that was so important for our

00:08:05.500 country at the time and you know uh it just got worse and worse and worse since then it's

00:08:11.580 you know i know they are looking for the sound bite to play but it's like almost as if they are

00:08:20.860 are trying to trigger people to go into a a violent place with each other and ooh what what's happening

00:08:30.060 i mean is that part of why you are are running for president i wouldn't say it's why i'm running but i think

00:08:38.460 it speaks to who i'm seeking to speak to we're out of our silos we have to have an american conversation

00:08:47.740 now nobody has a monopoly of truth nobody gets to own this country it's all of us here and i when

00:08:54.460 people say are you talking to this group or to that group always i'm speaking to a place in the american

00:08:58.940 heart and that has to we're all we all have that and yeah we do that place is where we're going to

00:09:06.540 find the answers and the new level of conversation which is really the old level of conversation out of

00:09:12.220 which solutions will emerge we've all got a that's exactly what i think too that's exactly what i think

00:09:18.540 and i say often uh the answers aren't going to come from you know these performers basically as you said in

00:09:27.100 congress and uh you know in the government the answers are going to come from the people themselves

00:09:33.660 when we speak to each other with civility and actually seek answers rather than trying to prove

00:09:41.020 the sound bites we parrot are correct or false i mean we we have to speak to each other and that's

00:09:47.820 what america's about and people have forgotten that i couldn't agree more and i think that it's in

00:09:53.580 conversations like you and i are having right now which might seem oh but they're not talking about

00:09:59.180 politics right now oh but we will no no but what i'm saying is this is the essential conversation

00:10:06.700 politics right now this is politics because until we claim this we we won't get any political answers

00:10:15.500 yeah that's weird that you said that uh people on you know opposing uh sides of the aisle you know uh

00:10:26.940 really speak to each other in a different way than they do when performing i think that's true because

00:10:33.340 they're all golf bodies you know you you see them out golfing so they can't really uh be so backbiting

00:10:39.500 and petty as they seem on the television with each other and i guess that is how things get hammered out

00:10:46.220 but it doesn't seem like they ever hammer anything out between them that benefits the people it's only

00:10:51.660 for themselves you know that that's how it seems to me they they they make a deal to make deals like

00:10:59.660 the you know i was very excited about them uh i i think this is a good political idea i wonder what you

00:11:06.300 think where they just start passing one law at a time and they stop that piling on well we'll give

00:11:15.980 you this if you give us that and they just bypass uh the the health and wealth of the american people

00:11:24.780 while they do that just giving money to their obvious i agree with you i agree but i don't know if

00:11:34.220 that'll pass i i knew that it was in in the house but that would be the biggest the greatest one of

00:11:39.820 the greatest things that could happen in our government because it's our government right

00:11:45.820 and i think that's the point and i think that that's what the majority of people on the left and

00:11:50.220 the right feel and rightfully so that the government doesn't belong to us now and then we have disagreements

00:11:57.260 on well who do you think it belongs to i and many people on right as well as left think it belongs to

00:12:02.060 the corporations more than it belongs and that the government at this point does more to serve

00:12:08.460 the corporations than to serve the people and people are angry about that and i think people

00:12:13.420 have a right to be angry about that do you think that's true oh and it also seems as if the government

00:12:19.900 itself it works as a corporation and what bothers me so much about that is that people forget that the

00:12:26.220 last thing that's democratic in the world is a corporation they're anything but actually right

00:12:33.100 to have short-term profits for huge multinational corporations be our governing principle you can

00:12:40.140 either have that or have democracy you can't have both and so this is really destroying our democracy

00:12:48.060 you know when you have people whether it's carcinogens in our food or lack of health care or people

00:12:53.500 rationing insulin or or whatever it is only because of the greed of an insurance company or a

00:13:00.140 pharmaceutical company and people's lives are falling apart because of it i don't care whether

00:13:04.860 you're on the left or the right this is not about left versus right this is about power versus powerlessness

00:13:10.700 in short it's the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer the same old same old

00:13:15.740 and that's what we have to realize no matter whether you're on the right or on the left if you're

00:13:20.700 being screwed by that you're being screwed by the same forces so those forces want the left and the

00:13:26.300 right to feel divided by each other so that we don't look up you know look to the right look to the

00:13:32.300 left they're your problem they're a problem no they're your problem that's right american people when

00:13:37.500 we get out of our silos and realize that that's when there's going to be the revolution of the ballot box

00:13:43.100 that matters yeah now if only there was something decent to vote for hey um i want to talk about

00:13:53.660 your campaign and uh now i like the first i want to say i really admire the work you've been doing on um

00:14:01.580 i won't say reparations but it is along the lines of healing um uh you know as a white woman you're a

00:14:10.060 jewish woman first of all i want to say that i i was i have so many things that first let me just say

00:14:17.820 this it's so great that we're going to put aside our differences for a minute for a while here in

00:14:24.300 this conversation and we're going to um concentrate on the things we agree on i think maybe we're setting

00:14:32.700 a good model here for people in our country um also though what i would like to think we can model

00:14:41.500 is not just concentration on where we agree but places where we don't agree you know it's like in

00:14:48.700 a marriage or a love affair you have to be able to disagree it's about how you disagree it is that

00:14:55.340 you know so we might not agree on every little thing i mean i grew up at a time so did you when the fact

00:15:00.540 you disagreed with someone about politics didn't mean you didn't have dinner so right it didn't mean

00:15:06.700 families don't you know eisenhower said the american mind that is best is both liberal and conservative

00:15:14.060 there are high-minded liberal principles there are high-minded conservative principles and some of my

00:15:19.180 best conversations are with intelligent conservatives and the analysis of a you know i always learn maybe

00:15:25.660 the conclusion we come up with is somewhat different but at the best we both learn from one another

00:15:31.740 i mean that's really you know thesis antithesis that's what i think the founders intended that the

00:15:38.140 truth would make itself known as long as we have the information we had an educated population and we

00:15:45.100 would talk yeah i think so too and uh i think that basically we all want the exact same things

00:15:56.300 we just disagree on the method of getting there well at this point we're blocked by something it

00:16:04.700 seems to me more than disagreement we're blocked by what you and i were talking about before

00:16:12.780 by this instinctive almost impulsive you're over there and i'm over here and i believe what i believe

00:16:21.500 and you better believe what you believe and if if you don't agree with what i agree then you're bad

00:16:26.860 that's right then disagreement that's that's a personality dysfunction

00:16:33.180 yeah it is it's a lack of maturity it's a childishness um that's dang it you know we

00:16:40.220 we are living in very serious times we all need to be grown-ups right now we really need to be mature

00:16:46.140 grown-ups right now so it's not the disagreement the fact we disagree is how we learn from one another

00:16:53.660 but this i can't even call it silliness because it's more perilous than that

00:16:58.140 it is perilous because it it's uh hateful words and hateful words are are usually followed by hateful

00:17:09.020 acts and i just fear that for our country i you know roseanne at this point

00:17:16.060 people die because of it people don't i mean this is a very serious moment i think

00:17:23.500 that's why this is a serious conversation as serious as any specific political issue we could

00:17:28.060 talk about you know we're all monitoring everybody you know in aa they talk about is it in aa um

00:17:38.460 i can't remember the line but something about how god didn't put you here to monitor somebody else

00:17:43.180 yeah put monitor your own heart and your own mind and i think yeah and when you can't i mean you

00:17:50.620 teach you you talk about the teachings of jesus um forgive me marianne i can't remember that book the name

00:17:59.180 of the book of course miracles of course in miracles and uh uh uh well now i spaced out what i was

00:18:10.700 it that's fine but but it was something good it was you were talking about reparations at the

00:18:15.580 beginning before that oh damn i'm so old i forget half the stuff jesus no before that

00:18:25.100 i know that took us into another place but i want to tell you something interesting that i read about

00:18:29.020 memory loss as we age you want to hear it yes of course yeah so i had written a book called um

00:18:36.860 the age of miracles about turning 50 this was years ago and after i wrote the book i read an article in

00:18:42.860 the new york times and the new york times was about a conference of neuroscientists and brain people and

00:18:51.340 stuff and they were like they were investigators into things like alzheimer's and dementia and things and

00:18:58.060 they were doing a whole conference about memory loss as we get older and so the thesis that was put

00:19:06.780 on the table that was considered radical and revolutionary and had everybody like oh my god oh

00:19:11.420 my god was that someone had done research that seemed to indicate that not all memory loss was a devolution

00:19:21.980 that some memory loss the theory was that when your brain kind of like in a computer that when when you

00:19:31.500 get a file has so much in it so much data that the brain has figured out the pattern that matters

00:19:39.740 and so the brain just dumps the unnecessary details and that that's not actually a devolution but an

00:19:49.820 evolution like an example would be you and i we might be talking at you know our age group we might be

00:19:56.860 talking to a young woman and she's telling us what she's gone through with her boyfriend

00:20:03.100 and you and i might say to her honey he's not going to call and she said oh and we'd say trust me it

00:20:12.220 means we had some experience we can tell you he's not going to call so the brain we don't need to

00:20:18.060 remember the name of every man who didn't call right remember the pattern which i thought so that so

00:20:25.980 wait so let me give you the punch line that's so amazing at this so everybody was really excited at

00:20:30.220 this table at this thought that like wow this is really something that's an advance and not a bad

00:20:39.100 thing and somebody then said oh wow this is so amazing we need to like have a name for this what

00:20:48.540 would be the word for this and then the article said that all of a sudden everybody at the table got

00:20:54.140 quiet because it appeared to everyone at the same time and finally somebody said wisdom tim's holiday

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00:21:11.660 oh wow that's wow that's very cool yeah i understand that completely i understand what you're saying

00:21:26.940 because the pattern and arriving at the uh yeah at the final judgment takes a lot of wisdom yeah yeah and

00:21:36.620 you don't need to remember the details after a certain no yeah but it helps you know

00:21:51.340 sometimes i find if i walk into a room and i say out loud what did i come in here for

00:21:56.300 then it comes do you ever do that yeah i'll try that yeah sometimes when you hear yourself speak things it

00:22:03.820 really goes into the brain it's like some kind of biofeedback but i admired i was i was going to say

00:22:11.340 that i admired that you were doing that back in the day and you were also talking about uh not

00:22:18.460 necessarily reparations but how to make right the racism that you know has brought us here in our

00:22:26.060 country where we are right now and uh you know the the great race racial divide that we're we're all of

00:22:33.660 us are you know beholding and wondering what what can be done to to correct or fix it we're all having

00:22:42.460 those thoughts um well some people aren't but thinkers are and uh you know you you were very much on

00:22:51.500 you were really in the vanguard of that and i really admire that you have done that and that you continue to

00:22:58.220 do that you opened up a very important dialogue and and you uh you you took it mainstream and that

00:23:06.940 that's very valuable that you did that so i can see from there to getting political and uh you know

00:23:14.700 wanting to run for president i like some of the you know i like a lot of things you said especially about

00:23:20.380 this being time for a woman i have to agree oh on such a level on such a level it's really it's really time

00:23:33.340 yeah it's really time for speaking of wisdom the particular and peculiar wisdom that uh an older woman

00:23:43.340 brings to the world um which really hasn't been valued too much but maybe in this new century

00:23:51.020 people will see the value in it um i i feel sorry for you i'm just saying this now that we're a little

00:23:59.180 warmed up know where our you know kind of fences are or whatever maybe we don't but uh i feel sorry for

00:24:07.020 you that you know you're you have to fight so hard to be heard on uh in the democrat party and i wonder

00:24:18.540 i i i've heard you say well in effect i'm going to stay and fight rather than you know walk away and

00:24:27.020 fight well you're probably referring to a conversation i had with rep bear on fox the other day

00:24:32.700 what i said was right now i'm standing where i am

00:24:41.340 you know i i said in that same interview politics is part science part art part gut call and

00:24:52.700 i'm i'm not waking up in the morning and having my gut tell me stop

00:25:00.700 stop but i'm not stupid either i see the level of suppression of my candidacy

00:25:11.180 yeah and your and your words your ideas aren't welcome they don't it doesn't seem like your ideas

00:25:19.180 are welcome there either well it's interesting though because my ideas in addition to being moderate

00:25:26.620 positions and every other advanced democracy if you look for instance one of my my probably my

00:25:31.660 biggest thing is universal health care the majority of republicans as well as democrats

00:25:37.980 want universal health care absolutely publicans as well as democrats want universal health care so

00:25:46.540 i'm actually talking about things that the majority of republicans and democrats

00:25:51.100 want so if the interest really was how we're going to win in 2024 you think there would be a real

00:25:58.460 openness to someone who's talking about things that both republicans and democrats want

00:26:04.380 um as but instead those things challenge the underlying corporate control of cars because because you know how

00:26:17.100 ridiculous is it you you break your arm so you have to call an insurance salesman you have to call an insurance corporation

00:26:25.500 to make sure they get paid before you go to the doctor that's exactly right and you know what i have had

00:26:32.620 two doctors say to me well one doctor is a woman named dr dulian in detroit and she said 20 years ago or 15 years ago i don't know

00:26:42.540 if i someone came in to see me and i told them what treatment i was prescribing their first

00:26:50.140 question would be what are the side effects the question today that i hear most often is how much

00:26:56.540 will that cost because there are millions of people underinsured the the insurance company will pay for you

00:27:03.420 to go to the doctor but 18 million americans can't afford to pay the prescriptions that their doctors give

00:27:08.940 them so if the if the insurance company will pay for you to go to the doctor but won't pay for the

00:27:13.820 operation or won't pay for the medicine or won't pay for the testing another doctor told me based on

00:27:20.300 this he said i don't even know why i bother to practice medicine so he said i tell people what i

00:27:25.980 need they can't afford it and no other advanced democracy in every other advanced democracy they have

00:27:31.740 universal health care and we're told here it's too complicated it's not complicated it's we don't need

00:27:37.580 these insurance companies and like you said this has nothing to do with anything but their

00:27:42.620 institutional greed and 1.3 million americans ration their insulin ration their insulin once again you

00:27:51.660 don't have that in any other advanced democracy because they have universal health care you know

00:27:55.500 there are people who are faced with the decision do i pay and that's why one of the reasons i left the

00:28:01.420 democrat party because uh you know i i i i couldn't stand that they passed obamacare which to me they

00:28:09.820 had to go to the supreme court and it ended up to be little more than a syntax on the poor nobody nobody

00:28:17.260 ever talks about that but why didn't they promised it and talked about it for years but they they could

00:28:23.500 never deliver anything they promised so i feel sorry for you and wonder you know i i wonder if i

00:28:29.740 i you know i had this fantasy last night

00:28:35.580 and i have had it for a long time since i ran for president about uh somebody said to me in one of

00:28:42.300 my speeches some woman came up and she said what we needed a new party that likes women which i really

00:28:48.780 liked

00:28:49.340 yeah in my career because you know i've known you for many years and i never felt like in those days

00:28:59.660 in la with my books and my lectures i never felt a gender thing i never felt a misogyny thing i never

00:29:07.340 felt that it was harder for me because i'm a woman in politics roseanne i can't even believe it

00:29:14.220 things that they'll say about me that they wouldn't say about a man the way they'll describe

00:29:18.140 a situation i'm in in a way they wouldn't describe a man and that's that's your media for you and

00:29:23.340 sometimes it's women who are writing those articles it's really disgusting you know i find that it's

00:29:29.340 almost always women that are doing that because i said well you know the the women now they've been so

00:29:36.220 programmed and so uh just programmed that they are actually doing the dirty work that men can't get away

00:29:44.780 with doing anymore you know it's just terrible we're all being huh you're right we're all being

00:29:52.460 we're all being targeted to destroy our own to go and knock down our own and uh that fight like uh

00:30:01.020 the top dog like there isn't enough for everybody when in fact there is i totally agree

00:30:07.900 i totally agree but that's really what we all have to do that in the work and find those places

00:30:16.460 within ourselves you know the bully within ourselves the misogynist within ourselves the racist within

00:30:22.140 ourselves that's exactly right and nobody nobody gets that yet well quite not not enough people get

00:30:31.980 that yet that you i want to say something to that because i think you just said something really

00:30:39.420 important what i find on the campaign trail and i found this last time too you say nobody gets that

00:30:48.220 i think most people get it you do well let me tell you what i found the system is so corrupt

00:30:57.820 from the government to the political parties to the media but when you're out there talking to people

00:31:04.140 and i'm sure you feel that way too people yeah you're a decent people when you're just talking to

00:31:10.940 people and i think that's what's so sad in politics and i think it's one of the reasons i'm running

00:31:15.900 well give to the american people the option to just be noble why don't we try that they try just

00:31:23.660 compassion and nobility and decency first i think there is a hunger for that on both right and left

00:31:29.900 i do know when you say nobody gets it i think the american people are as hard i think the american

00:31:36.060 people the majority of people on the left as well as the right are horrified about the same things you

00:31:42.460 and i are talking about here today and horrified for the same reasons that we are well i i like to

00:31:48.700 believe that uh and sometimes i'm like you know what i i only see the uh hatred and the words of

00:31:57.420 hate and the ideas of hate on social media when i think about it i don't i don't see it in daily life

00:32:04.380 but i do i do see a lot of people that like to blame other people rather than look looking inside

00:32:11.260 and fighting the battle within because that is the battle everybody talks about the spiritual war

00:32:17.020 well because it's within and they like to say it's this group or that group or what have you but it's

00:32:23.260 within you absolutely you know i see i see a lot of this today with this war in israel

00:32:32.780 oh i wanted to talk to you about that it's so horrible that's the first thing can we just be human

00:32:40.300 human before we go into right wrong who's can we just be human and just have an experience of just

00:32:49.900 the tragedy of this and and then from that place from that really authentic place we'll we'll we'll

00:32:59.740 enter the conversation from a a wisdom and and and a place where maybe some answers can emerge where

00:33:08.060 we're the only place the answers can emerge can we just have a minute first to register just the

00:33:13.900 human heart can we just do that first yeah i saw that with the process again yeah yeah instead of using

00:33:26.220 it as a you know a platform to uh you know increase your side is wrong um just to increase

00:33:37.180 i'll tell you anybody who's coming from my side is all right and your side is all wrong

00:33:43.260 they're wrong that's not one and that's that's also you know there's a poem by rumi where he said

00:33:50.060 out beside behind beyond all ideas of good and bad right or wrong there is a field i'll meet you there

00:33:55.900 we have to find that place you know this is a sure human dimension of it all which is in this case

00:34:08.620 deep sadness and if you're not sad for both peoples right now for what's about to happen

00:34:14.300 you have no heart and we have to bring our heart to politics or

00:34:23.820 yeah emerge that i think we more than anything we need to bring the voice of grandmothers and and

00:34:32.540 older women where it's never been allowed to the arena of human humanity it's never been allowed there and

00:34:40.380 it's just terrifying terrifying when you look at that that that's the voice that's always missing i

00:34:46.380 i i went uh you know i i kind of made it my uh spiritual mission to go and i like to pray with

00:34:56.140 people you know and uh i went over there to to israel and and prayed with muslims and christians and jewish

00:35:04.860 women about finding center finding agreement starting over uh you know getting rid of the

00:35:15.340 old stuff that's all about war and hate but finding something new that has to do with raising a safe and

00:35:21.900 happy new generation of kids and we all prayed for the same thing and i'll tell you it was just

00:35:29.260 one of the best feelings i've ever had in my life and i think everybody else said the same and then

00:35:35.420 we all danced together which we're not supposed to say because people can be hurt but we're doing that

00:35:41.660 but it was uh to feel joy together to feel agreement and joy amongst uh women of various beliefs so it was

00:35:52.460 just a wonderful thing and uh i i just i don't discount that i think it's i think it's so important

00:36:00.940 i think it can change the whole vibration of everything the way the world turns even i 100

00:36:07.740 agree with you i've had similar experiences in israel um you know you always hear the phrase the holy land

00:36:15.180 and then you get there oh my god there really is a land and the holiness is exactly what you just

00:36:22.780 described you know that is the holy experience and there's a line in the course of miracles where it

00:36:28.060 says god does not give you victory in battle he lifts you above the battlefield and in that moment

00:36:35.740 you were lifted above the battlefield yeah well i love that that that's where the peace and the good

00:36:42.540 stuff is above the battlefield right well you just said the whole vibrational experience is you're

00:36:50.220 lifted above art lifts you above um truth telling lifts you above kindness lifts you above forgiveness

00:36:58.700 lifts you above and politics you know god said politics should be sacred politics is something that

00:37:04.860 weighs us down and brings us down politics should be something that lifts us up and when you was

00:37:11.660 happy no go ahead you were talking before and i love that you've talked about this you've not only

00:37:19.180 said the voices of women but thank you so much for talking about the voices of the grandmother i am a

00:37:23.660 grandmother by the way now the first time thank you congrats you know you i've heard for years they

00:37:30.860 talk about the indigenous grandmothers and sometimes i felt well others of us are have grandmotherly wisdom

00:37:37.580 too you know it's almost like people who say the wiz the indigenous grandmothers have wisdom the rest of

00:37:42.940 us are just invisible and whatever so i love that you said that and i join with you in that i join with

00:37:50.300 you in that i it is the fact that we have been around for a while and that we are women there's some

00:37:57.260 divine brew there there's some alchemy there um and so just there really is this just might be the time for

00:38:06.460 it this just it feels like this is the time where it might actually be understood and people might

00:38:13.740 actually listen because i don't think through history they were very much willing to listen but

00:38:19.820 there might be no other option than to listen in my campaign when people ask me how is 2020 different than

00:38:29.180 2024 i don't think i'm so different but the listening of people is different it's deeper after everything

00:38:38.460 we've been through people when i made them out there roseanne people are people know that something is

00:38:47.900 wrong at a deeper level and all that let's try political transactional stuff it doesn't speak to some

00:38:56.300 deeper level and i i feel that there's a much deeper openness to a more expanded conversation

00:39:05.020 and i'll tell you who else has it gen z i always say yeah

00:39:12.860 people like me and people in the middle where's that go away you know me too um yeah and that's funny

00:39:20.780 that's funny how they how they were social kind of socialized to be that way too but the young people

00:39:27.420 are so smart and they they aren't afraid of ideas that they themselves don't hold i see it on stage

00:39:36.540 they're in austin there i my kids were telling me don't go on stage mom it's a blue city and they're not

00:39:44.060 like you because you know they think i'm a republican which i'm not but uh you know i'm a thinker but uh

00:39:53.340 anyway uh they go don't go on stage their mom and i had enough drinks that i was you know what do you

00:40:02.220 call it uh courageous courageous yeah and uh it was just so great and it just i killed and they were

00:40:11.980 all young uh they were jet gen z and uh so i just kept getting braver and braver and there's no place

00:40:21.100 i can go to on stage where they aren't there with me because they've also done they've also thought

00:40:28.140 things deeply and that's what you know heartens me because that's what we want right we want

00:40:35.660 people to think things through deeply they're not even 20th century people they weren't even born in

00:40:43.980 the right that's huge the 20th century mindset is different than the 19th and the 21st different than

00:40:52.460 the 20th the 20th was a mechanistic world view the world's a machine if you want to fix the world tweak

00:40:58.940 the machine the first century is more holistic more whole person the a recognition that internal things

00:41:08.300 matter as much as external you and i have been having a 21st century conversation here in that sense

00:41:14.140 uh and the kids have a have no problem with that the kids are natural with that and i and and you're

00:41:22.140 the old right left that it neither one has done anything for them yeah that's for sure they don't

00:41:29.820 they're they're oh they like and i would like you i mean i enough of us who remember a time when you

00:41:37.420 would never say i'm not going to listen to a comedian or a speaker because they don't share my

00:41:44.300 part i mean what's happened to us you miss out and what are you going to do just limit your relationships

00:41:49.660 to people who and listen what i feel in my you know and i am on the political left but they're on the

00:41:55.820 there are people on the political left who i can be with them on 95 of everything and then there's one

00:42:03.580 thing i don't agree with them on and i assume they have that at the equivalent of that on the right

00:42:09.660 but my god shut somebody down because they don't agree with you about every little thing we've got to go

00:42:16.460 no very very yeah find our common ground and uh you know like i say everybody wants

00:42:25.020 their children to be safe and have a good education let's start there that that's a great one

00:42:30.860 you know that'll take the rest of our lives to get there so let's just go there and plus nobody wants

00:42:36.940 you know nobody wants slavery and nobody wants war and nobody wants debt slavery either okay that's

00:42:43.020 enough to keep us busy forever and then we'll get into those other things next century well the

00:42:49.100 problem is i i don't necessarily think what you just said is true unfortunately i don't think we

00:42:56.620 are living at a time anymore the things that you just described were the things which even 20 years

00:43:03.260 ago we could say well of course we all agree about that okay that's true now really you don't think most

00:43:11.020 people want most people yes most people but there are forces in this country who for instance don't

00:43:20.780 want children to be totally educated i mean when people are banning books and telling people what

00:43:26.460 they can and cannot learn in school so no but i but i think what we're onto that's important is that the

00:43:36.620 majority of us agree and that's why we have to create a politics of a

00:43:45.580 deeper perspective because when you're in a deep perspective you you don't expect everybody would

00:43:51.900 agree on every every item we're more you brought that up about the banning books because

00:43:59.340 you know a lot of parents are bringing these books on uh sex education to the school boards and reading

00:44:10.220 out of them and they are in my opinion and the opinion of many parents they are purely pornographic

00:44:18.220 talking about anal sex this is first grade those are largely these are for third graders

00:44:24.700 and they're illustrated i want my third grader to read a book about anal sex in school but those are

00:44:30.380 not the book banning things that we're talking about i'm talking about those are the ones i've heard

00:44:34.940 about and the school board refuses to even address the issues i've never heard of any other hold on

00:44:43.020 i would agree with you on that and i actually think most american parents would agree with you on that

00:44:47.500 that's not good if you look at the list of banned books we're talking about things like grapes of

00:44:53.020 wrath one of them not only of american literature but of world literature yeah mockingbird the things

00:45:02.060 you're talking about i think i would totally but they say that those are uh you know they say that they

00:45:09.980 always update things for the modern culture and they say that those kind of books are obsolete because they

00:45:16.060 were kind of written in the 60s and that i mean i don't disagree with you but you know the schools

00:45:24.140 are always adding new authors and new ideas they're not changing the words of john steinbeck

00:45:32.620 i mean these are great the word changing you know and i just think great you know

00:45:38.780 well huckleberry finn is a great is a great american novel too and you know that was taken out

00:45:46.620 offensive words in it well see i would not take huckleberry finn out it's more i would explain to

00:45:56.300 children you know but it's mark twain my god i know i i know but that was taken out by you know the uh

00:46:06.940 word police you've got to know i want your opinion on this honestly because you know this i don't know

00:46:13.340 if i i just want to hear what you have to say about it you well i won't ask you that way i'll say like

00:46:20.060 it when i was interviewed on the jimmy kimmel show and he said why did you uh you know why are you so

00:46:26.780 this and that and i said well i just feel like the democrat party moved so far to the left that it just

00:46:35.100 fell off the cliff and left me behind and i'm exactly the same as i always was but it went

00:46:41.580 so far into the uh minority opinion that it marginalized the majority of its own party

00:46:50.220 you must feel something about that how do you feel about me saying that well you asked two different

00:46:56.860 questions how do i feel about what you said and you also asked what do i feel about you saying it i feel

00:47:03.340 of you saying it we're having a conversation what i what you said though i have a different

00:47:09.420 perspective but how i feel about you saying it is fine but my different perspective which i appreciate

00:47:15.580 that you asked with a genuine you know respect is that my problem with the democratic party

00:47:23.580 is almost the opposite of what you said my problem with the democratic party is that they

00:47:29.020 have become too beholden the the establishment elite has become too beholden to its corporate donors

00:47:35.820 which is my same problem with the republican party by the way and that goes back to what we were saying

00:47:40.300 the problem is the same my problem is you know when you come to big oil i don't care if they're

00:47:46.460 democrats or republicans they fall in line when it comes to the defense industry i don't care if it's

00:47:51.340 republican or democrat they fall in line that's the problem i the prop the far far left stuff that's the

00:47:58.380 extreme is not they've managed to marginalize the uh vast middle of their own party don't you think

00:48:09.900 see to me that goes back to left right middle and to me all of that is hiding it's it's about the it's

00:48:19.420 not about any of that to me it's a i mean that's just people who make me want to roll my eyes it's just

00:48:25.180 like whatever ignore that do you know what i mean that's so performative that's so politically correct

00:48:30.140 that's whatever whatever but that's not reflected in in what's really going on it's really going on

00:48:35.660 in that none of that is denying people health care hi everyone it's jake uh sorry to interrupt this

00:48:40.620 awesome conversation between my mother and marianne we'll get right back to it but there is a an

00:48:44.540 important message that i want to bring to you i've contacted a company and they've agreed to let us

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00:49:03.180 have one you need to get one right now this is a satellite phone in the event of emergency or a

00:49:09.580 do attack or or nazis from antarctica or what we see happening in israel god forbid even just a power

00:49:16.220 outage you can communicate with anyone anywhere at any time cell phones work on about seven percent

00:49:23.500 of the planet these work virtually anywhere you'd be out in a boat and out in the ocean they connect

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00:49:36.620 conversation you have on here is is private go to sat123.com or call the number 855-980-5830 and get

00:49:45.740 yourself a satellite phone uh don't be tracked don't be caught with your pants down and don't

00:49:52.140 rely on corporations to let you talk to your family when they're probably the ones behind

00:49:56.300 the do machines that have uh set your family on fire all right thank you none of that is denying

00:50:02.220 people the ability to send their kids to college in the 1970s which you and i definitely remember okay

00:50:08.940 we do the average american worker yeah whoever thought we'd be nostalgic for the 1970s right

00:50:16.380 we things have changed okay and then in the in the 1970s the average american worker could afford a

00:50:22.940 house right american worker could afford a car right the average american worker could afford a yearly

00:50:30.620 vacation the average american couple could afford to send their kids to college that's right and the

00:50:37.980 average american worker a couple could afford if they wanted to for one parent to stay home

00:50:43.420 that's right that's to me where we need to be zoning in and it's because of a 50 trillion dollar

00:50:53.420 transfer of wealth into the hands of a very few people now i don't think any political party should

00:51:01.180 feel self-congratulatory right now right my of things a republican president started it and no democratic

00:51:08.940 president has stopped it i'm a democrat so i feel that the democrats at least try to have it both ways

00:51:17.260 at least they to me you know i'm a democrat i believe in franklin roosevelt's democratic party i

00:51:23.820 believe in a party of unequivocal advocacy for the working people of the united states but right now

00:51:29.900 they call it they call it a corporate duopoly both parties are owned not only is what i've seen in my

00:51:36.460 campaign not only are they owned by corporate interests they are corporate interests bingo bingo

00:51:47.100 a political media industrial complex and that's why cnn isn't even having me on even though i'm a declared

00:51:54.300 candidate even though i'm higher in the polls than most of the people on that republican debate stage

00:52:00.300 the other night eve and so i'm not on you know msnbc and cnn do for the democratic party what fox does

00:52:08.540 for the republican party it's terrible and that's why podcasts like this independent media you are

00:52:14.460 independent media and this is where we can just have a regular conversation and that's why it's important

00:52:18.940 yeah it's great to break through that big old veil of keeping us ignorant and silent people are in a

00:52:26.460 trance these days you can ask a question marianne you've kind of said that a few different ways what

00:52:32.700 what do you think is causing this tribalism if you could yeah that's my word tribalism but yeah you've

00:52:44.380 been saying there's this thing going on the media we're right left that we're played with like why

00:52:48.780 do you think it's so different now why are you nostalgic for the 70s and i know you're talking

00:52:52.940 about corporate interests but from a conversational perspective what do you think is behind it because

00:52:57.900 it's profit-based so when your mother and i were young the same company was legally um forbidden to

00:53:06.140 own the television station and that's right and the and the newspaper because the diversification of

00:53:14.700 opinion was respected and it was recognized that that was important for a healthy society

00:53:19.660 and there was something called the fairness doctrine and the fairness doctrine meant that

00:53:24.380 you hear opposing views so ronald reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine and then bill clinton

00:53:30.300 in 1996 with the telecommunications bill all of the um there was this conglomeratization

00:53:37.820 these a few media companies i'll give you an example so if we were back let's say in the 1960s or the 1970s

00:53:46.300 um a reporter would come into their editor and say i have a lead and there's something i want to go

00:53:57.420 investigate i think that factory downriver is pouring poison into the river and the editor would say

00:54:07.020 get on it get on it and if it was good investigative journalism there was a very good chance that

00:54:14.380 reporter might get a pulitzer prize okay today there's a very good chance that the same company

00:54:22.860 that owns the factory owns the newspaper that's right and owns the prison pardon and also owns interest in

00:54:33.260 the prisons that's true too so today the editor would be more like i say no we're not going to

00:54:38.540 cover that it's all profit making when this is why you can't you can either have short-term profits

00:54:45.980 you know when the news becomes a profit-making venture it's like health becoming a profit-making

00:54:51.580 venture not everything should be profit making not everything should be about profit and when you have

00:54:57.660 that you can either have short-term profits as your bottom line and your governing principle

00:55:03.420 short-term profits for corporations or you can have people democracy humanitarian values

00:55:09.180 our safety our health our well-being don't you think a big mistake was when they passed that uh

00:55:15.500 citizens united when they said that was everything yeah that was that was like the death knell because that

00:55:22.300 that net has so released all this what's called dark money corporate influence that that's that's the

00:55:31.020 worst thing of all and the only way we can override that is with the revolution of the ballot box the

00:55:36.380 only way we can override that is through we the people i like to explain what that is

00:55:40.940 uh huh can you explain to our yeah one of you just people don't know uh well they they basically passed

00:55:52.540 a law that a corporation has as as much human rights as a human being a citizen and they had said which

00:56:01.020 they had been determined that corporations have the rights of people which is sick in and of itself

00:56:06.380 but they they with that decision they gave these corporations unlimited power to influence political

00:56:15.100 um uh political um elections and you know i tell you i'm in the belly of the beast right now

00:56:23.340 i've seen how it works i've there's character assassination there's it's dark yeah i i thought first

00:56:32.940 you're aware ma yeah you've been through it in 2012 i was i mean i wanted to see it so i could

00:56:41.100 know about it for myself but uh yeah it's there's no democracy in it that that much i know that that's

00:56:49.260 the last thing there is so you know i'm worried for our country i loved that you uh when you were you

00:56:56.380 know when you were speaking about the the problem with the immigrants you you were brave enough to

00:57:02.540 say well let's look at the u.s drug laws roles role in all of that and what the people are escaping is

00:57:10.860 cartels created by our u.s drug laws and that's so right on i'm glad you said that thank you you know

00:57:20.540 richard nixon started the war on drugs in 1971 and he called drugs public enemy number one now once

00:57:28.540 again we're old enough to remember drugs in 1971 were not public enemy number one and john ehrlichman

00:57:35.740 who was one of the watergate people who then worked for nixon went to jail when he got out of prison

00:57:41.820 he spilled the beans about everything and he talked about how when we started the drug war he said of

00:57:48.140 course nixon knew it wasn't um public enemy number one and and he did it as partly an attack on black

00:57:54.860 communities etc we have spent a trillion dollars on the drug war it clearly has not helped it has

00:58:02.380 made things even worse you have when you and i when i was in college we had 300 000 people in prison

00:58:09.900 we now have 2.3 million and almost half of all federal uh prisoners are there for non-violent drug

00:58:17.900 offenses so we now spend we now spend a hundred billion dollars a year and we for a fraction of

00:58:26.700 that money could create a world-class network of recovery options you know when you and i knew each

00:58:33.260 other in la we knew people in aaa you know recovery was a corner of things drug addiction now is an

00:58:39.820 ubiquitous problem and we're not solving it by criminalizing it we need to change it to a health

00:58:47.020 issue rather than a criminal issue and that's what countries like like um uh portugal do meanwhile

00:58:54.940 we take away the black market because the drug cartels all this power because the drugs as long

00:59:01.980 as there's a hunger form they're gonna right so they have this black market that would make a big

00:59:07.820 dent in the power of the drug cartels and it would also free us up to address the one drug which i don't

00:59:14.860 even think of as a drug i think of it as a weapon i think of it as a as a a poison i think of it as

00:59:22.540 something that needs all of our attention of course and that is the fentanyl crisis

00:59:27.980 oh it's true it's terrible it's like china it's like china with opium isn't it except way back yeah but

00:59:36.780 people didn't die from opium yeah that's true so it's back to the entire country you know people just

00:59:46.620 die and you're you're hearing things like kids who order what they think is adderall and snapchat and

00:59:52.940 snapchat it's unbelievable snapchat once again going because of the greed and the money there are times

00:59:59.100 when snapchat will not hand over the information um they'll know um it's truly horrible i would be on

01:00:08.940 that well what would you do what uh i'm gonna let you campaign here for a minute what would you do

01:00:15.420 your first 10 days in office first thing i do is cancel the willow project the willow project is an

01:00:22.860 eight billion dollar conoco phillips oil extraction project in the north slopes of alaska we have got

01:00:29.740 to stop ramping down fossil fuel extraction now that's a place where there's a big difference between

01:00:35.820 uh a lot of people on the right versus people on the left but i'm i'm solid on the left on that one

01:00:41.580 i believe that we need to make that transition and i believe that we can make that transition because

01:00:47.500 we're americans you know we have lost a sense of this american can do thing that we used to have

01:00:55.260 and that's not only how we should look at something like that it's how we should look at

01:00:59.180 even politics people are feeling hopeless people are feeling well we can't change it

01:01:03.340 so i think that we can move to a green economy to a healthy economy uh to a clean economy we need to

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01:01:30.460 into green into solar into geothermal and it needs to be a just transition there are people who have said

01:01:35.980 to me miss williamson i make over a hundred thousand dollars a year now working for the fossil fuel

01:01:43.260 industry are you telling me that you want me to start making fifteen dollars an hour to put up solar panels

01:01:53.260 well that person had every right to ask that question and that's why it has to be a very careful

01:02:00.940 transition but there are people who work in technology in manufacturing in research who whose

01:02:07.980 jobs could easily be moved in a lateral way and the and the oil companies we now know new decades ago

01:02:17.580 the damage that they were doing they know this reign of fossil fuels got to end they just want to squeeze

01:02:23.900 every last dollar until while they can and i want to partner with them and say you know you're going

01:02:31.420 to make just as much money help us create a green economy use your technology use your skills use your

01:02:36.620 skills use your genius and let's partner and go in another direction we've done that in the united

01:02:43.260 states before and we can do it now how long do you suppose that transition would take though

01:02:53.580 the transitions that we need to make in this country would not happen during my four years in the white

01:02:57.420 house but i feel i could get things started i feel we can begin a season of repair i would also in my

01:03:04.300 first uh in my first days in office would uh demand that there be an audit of the pentagon which of

01:03:11.340 course they would fail all of them apparently 60 minutes does better oversight of the pentagon

01:03:19.820 and the u.s congress does did you see that expose i see yes now this is a place this is another

01:03:26.620 interesting place where conservatives and liberals are starting to converge this is really yeah i mean

01:03:33.740 there are i think the gig is up so you have these these corporations raytheon north of grumman boeing

01:03:42.060 and the pentagon is their piggy bank and people die because of this and i'll tell you when i'm

01:03:48.780 president if i'm president when i'm president there will not be as there is now a secretary of defense

01:03:55.900 who is a former raytheon board member you know that's not okay oh my god growing up when you and

01:04:04.460 i were growing up there would never have been a general who was a um was a uh head of the defense

01:04:13.020 department because just like we have a civilian commander-in-chief the defense department should

01:04:18.620 also be run by civilians but when trump brought in general mattis not that he was a bad guy but it

01:04:25.180 just broke a tradition that should not have been broken so then biden continued it although uh our

01:04:33.740 lloyd austin who was a general took off those clothes but it's the same thing it that is what

01:04:38.940 your military industrial complex is about you don't want people who are from the military or from military

01:04:46.860 contractors to head your defense department your defense department should be above and separate from

01:04:52.940 all that making decisions that have only to do with the appropriate use of of power and nothing to do

01:05:01.580 uh with with money

01:05:07.100 you think the division we have is corporate funded like intentionally funded to make us

01:05:15.580 argue and fight is that what i'm hearing the media book hate ink the remember and i and i say this

01:05:23.900 with respect he had some good things and he's passed so i don't want to but jerry springer

01:05:28.380 uh a lot of money came from all that uh that show crossfire you know people want to get clicks

01:05:34.940 people want to get viewers if it bleeds it leads you and i here are having a a real conversation

01:05:42.460 it's not an accident that this is not mainstream media this is why podcasts are important and why

01:05:49.020 they're so so popular today people want just can we just have a real conversation but if we were on a

01:05:56.380 show that was only about corporate profits for a for a um you know a media conglomerate

01:06:04.620 i mean you certainly know this uh roseanne there would be pressure to make it very different

01:06:10.700 yeah well it was like that in television too as soon as you accept a a sponsor you're putting the

01:06:17.660 noose around your own neck you know so you're better off to pay pay for it yourself and to uh

01:06:24.940 pay for people to censor you but that's america today they've got in everything

01:06:34.540 it's like everything it's your health care it's your the food you eat the carcinogens in your food

01:06:39.500 did you read the article that came out recently about the ingredients in a ketchup bottle in the

01:06:45.660 united states versus the ingredients in a ketchup bottle in canada no so what happens is that there

01:06:54.940 are food companies that that that have let's say potato chips or ketchup or whatever that that's

01:07:03.180 composed of one thing here but has to be in another thing in canada or europe because in canada

01:07:09.660 and europe they'll say you can't put that carcinogen in our food there are laws against

01:07:13.500 that's true traveling the world and you probably notice this too when you travel the world uh

01:07:22.700 they actually have way better food than we do our food just tastes like plastic

01:07:28.940 because it is literally plastic do you know 46 percent and before we finish that people some

01:07:35.420 people say well why is that it's because the carcinogens are the thing that give the food a longer

01:07:40.540 shelf life which makes more money for the food company so in terms of the plastics this plastic

01:07:46.620 thing so there's this stuff called pfas if you read about pfas the forever chemicals and it's

01:07:52.140 horrifying and i first heard about it in in new hampshire but now 40 percent 46 of all the water in urban

01:08:03.420 wells in america are filled with these pfas they don't break down in the body and they've even found

01:08:11.180 plastic pieces in human hearts yeah this isn't left right this no versus right no do you think it's on

01:08:22.380 purpose i mean do you think that what about that uh agenda you and agenda 2030 where it calls for

01:08:30.300 depopulation what do you think of that or is that just a whole right-wing conspiracy they're heading

01:08:36.060 into like no i think i think that the conspiracy that we should be worried about is very overt

01:08:44.620 it's everything we're talking about like when you ask just now about where does that come from

01:08:48.860 so there was a company in new hampshire and it was a french company and this is another thing

01:08:54.060 what they were doing in new hampshire they would not have been allowed to do legally in france

01:08:59.180 so there are all these things which europe will say you can't do that it's dangerous and so the

01:09:03.740 european company will say okay we'll go to america they'll let us yeah so they were spewing these these

01:09:11.660 chemicals into the water in merrimack new hampshire and the cars the the cancer rates were sky high

01:09:20.860 finally the um finally the the protests about this was so great that saint gobain company has recently

01:09:27.980 said it's not worth it we're leaving but now the pfas are all over the country and it's because

01:09:33.820 you know when sometimes people say oh job killing regulations get rid of those job killing regulations

01:09:39.500 no they weren't job killing regulations you would actually have to create jobs to actually have

01:09:44.780 people adhere to these things there's safety regulations this i know safety regulations health

01:09:52.220 regulations and so europeans companies that protect their citizens so we have all these toxins and

01:09:59.740 carcinogens spewing into in pesticides and water and food this is about left which is right it's about

01:10:07.660 money and those who have it and can influence congress to make those things possible well it's about

01:10:16.940 it's about a predator's access to its prey is how it seems clear when it is it is it's predatory it is

01:10:25.500 predatory and that's why i believe those college loan debts should be uh forgiven because they should

01:10:31.340 never have existed you don't prey on your young in the 1970s going before the 1970s we had tuition free

01:10:39.420 college college and tech school which i know california you got texas remember california and it was ronald

01:10:47.340 reagan if they made me and got rid of it and then they said oh he's our guy it's predatory you don't

01:10:52.780 prey on your young you don't prey on your tax base which that blows my mind when but that's where we're at

01:11:02.540 so we're paying billions of dollars in taxpayer money to subsidize companies that are already

01:11:09.500 making billions of dollars in profit so they can develop products and turn back and price gouge the

01:11:16.380 american people whose tax dollars had funded what they did to begin with that's our relationship with

01:11:22.380 big pharma that's our relationship to big food that's our relationship to all of these companies

01:11:27.580 all of these things yeah we're paying for our destruction we are paying for our own destruction

01:11:34.540 see i would love to see you um in debate with uh you know somebody well not well yeah biden but that's

01:11:47.100 no he won't debate he's owned he's corporate owned

01:11:50.860 i mean do you feel i i don't know how to even approach it but you know maybe maybe you uh maybe

01:12:01.100 there will be a a really uh accessible third party someday for american people maybe and maybe it will

01:12:11.420 encompass real issues that we're all pretty much most of us i'll say concerned about and maybe it will

01:12:21.020 be for the citizens and maybe it won't be just for a handful of people at the expense of the many

01:12:28.700 maybe that will happen someday uh i i would certainly hope so but i i don't see it in either party i just

01:12:36.540 don't well the problem is the hour is late yeah it is so you and i come from a time when we can talk

01:12:46.780 in long term well someday well you're right but i see why you i mean i don't know i just hope everything

01:12:59.340 everything is uh i hope everything gets better and common sense common sense rules the day

01:13:07.900 i think each can i say something i think each party needs to look at itself and i think when

01:13:14.860 you're talking about the cross planning being an issue but i rarely see a republican and i certainly

01:13:19.660 do not see democrats at all doing that self-assessment is is our party in bed with the

01:13:24.940 wrong people are we pushing the wrong messaging are we wrong on this just look in the mirror i don't

01:13:29.980 see that and i know we can talk about oh third party or we need this but those are the people that

01:13:34.540 need to do it first the people at the top of each party and i i i don't feel good about that

01:13:41.420 happening personally i'm not trying to be negative but i haven't seen any part of anyone in politics

01:13:48.780 uh or involved on that level willing to even consider the fact that they may be wrong

01:13:54.700 well i say i really encourage uh you know grandparents to run for office that's kind of why i did it because

01:14:03.980 i love what you're saying uh what do you call it the thing they present what do you call the resume

01:14:12.540 yeah it would be oh i was a i was a beneficial part of my community and i helped keep these kids

01:14:19.020 safe and i was a crossing guard that's the kind of resume that should matter not that i work for

01:14:25.340 this corporation we should not vote for nobody like that we should vote for people who cared for their

01:14:32.300 own communities and their own children and the things that matter i i i really wish that would

01:14:39.980 happen well what they say is that you have to have had a career ensconced in the car that drove us

01:14:48.300 into the ditch for us to qualify to drive us out of the day i see as qualification and you and i

01:14:57.180 would agree on what you just said that means somebody who's not in the club

01:15:02.300 yeah and they're a club the george carlin thing you're not in and if you're not in it

01:15:09.260 and jake what you said i mean i do i feel that's why so many of the corporatist democrats don't like

01:15:14.220 me because i am i do say the democratic party has has got to look at its own corporatist leanings yeah

01:15:22.700 there i would say democrats today are uh what i didn't like about republicans in the 80s i see that

01:15:28.940 the democrat party i see a uniparty i see a i see corporate entanglements i mean biden as far as i'm

01:15:35.340 concerned is one of the most corrupt uh precedents i've ever seen i was born in 1978 and um you know

01:15:43.100 we are now on the verge of world war three and people always say that i'm like oh stop it this

01:15:48.380 is the first time where i think you know we're very close that's a democrat pushing war that's a

01:15:54.060 democrat involved in a proxy war and trump whatever you think about him when he was president um we

01:15:59.580 were not getting involved in proxy wars and we were trying to stay off that stage and i think

01:16:05.500 the democrats i think that's one of the things they hated about him the most and i feel like they're

01:16:10.140 using lawfare and things against him i'm not saying he's citizen president in all hope i'm just saying

01:16:15.820 you can see them wanting to make an example of anyone that isn't pushing a uniparty war agenda and i

01:16:22.300 see that coming from the democrat party today more than the republican republicans talking about jobs

01:16:28.220 and i see republicans talking about community much more and that's weird for me as a lifelong democrat

01:16:33.340 to see what i see today don't actually they yeah they talk about jobs and community but their

01:16:37.900 policies do not foster jobs and communities and when it comes to lining up with the defense budget

01:16:44.300 the democrats and the republicans are the same now when yeah i

01:16:47.740 yeah and when yeah i expect i expect the democrats to not they play their part for the camera right

01:16:57.740 you know we have to discount everything they say i'm afraid because i i don't believe one of them for

01:17:03.580 one minute but marianne you sorry you sound like a democrat that i grew up with the way you talk about

01:17:11.180 taking corporation you know money out of i don't see i just want to finish this point i don't see

01:17:16.620 democrats today saying what you're saying and that is very strange because what you're saying is the

01:17:22.940 democrat the real true democrat party line that we that's what i think rfk said too he's like he's

01:17:30.940 trying to make the point i don't know how you think about it but i feel like trying to make the point

01:17:35.980 that wait a minute this party was a kennedy party yeah and hypothetical you've chased that out um you

01:17:43.580 know uh so you know i feel for you that you're you know there and you don't feel like it's hopeless

01:17:53.340 but you you must feel like you i don't know my wheels are turning you know yeah well i i just you know

01:18:03.740 i'm i i'm just very afraid of uh

01:18:12.460 i i'm just afraid of

01:18:17.180 the uniparty yeah i'm afraid of the core but that's what that's the conundrum people are they

01:18:24.860 talk about the corporatocracy that they're both so dominated so then you say well what do you do do you

01:18:30.140 go uh independent do you go green but then you have to ask yourself you know are you going to

01:18:36.140 help elect the person that you most don't want to see there i think that's and i don't think there's

01:18:41.100 a right or wrong the lesser of two evils every election's been about that forever it's still evil

01:18:48.460 but i mean you know i do i do see trump as a populist and i see myself as a populist too i don't

01:18:55.820 think of trump as being uh a republican he's fighting the same fight within his party that

01:19:02.380 you're fighting in the democrat party he's trying to get rid of uh you know the corruption and the

01:19:10.460 corporate owned people in the republican party i don't think she agrees there is no evidence

01:19:17.580 but i do but to me someone who's for americans first and creating jobs here that that hooks me in

01:19:34.700 well america pr line that's for sure he just what it's a great pr line so let me ask you a question

01:19:43.020 he passed it in 2017 a two trillion dollar tax cut which will never pay for itself 83 cents of every

01:19:52.940 dollar went to the richest corporations and individuals that's not for the people so he

01:20:01.660 increased income inequality so this idea that he's a man of the people is um and he let him

01:20:11.020 that's the whole economic subject and economic thing i'd like to have you back and discuss that

01:20:20.540 when it's not at the end of the show i i really want to talk about what tax cuts what the result of

01:20:26.860 that was well increase income inequality now this is the deal what i would get to do is repeal that tax cut

01:20:37.260 and then put right back in the middle class tax cut the middle class tax cut part of it was a good idea

01:20:44.700 it should have been that part was good i'm all for cutting taxes for for the middle class but that that

01:20:51.660 tax cut that gave 80 the 83 percent of every dollar to the top earners that's not man of the people stuff

01:20:59.820 that's man of the very very very very very very richest stuff i don't care what he says that's what

01:21:06.540 he did i know i know but that's a huge economic discussion and you know people did get tax rebates

01:21:14.220 from his tax cuts and the democrats can't claim credit for that people got six dollars in their pocket

01:21:21.500 tax cut and i when when jack was talking about the democrats looking in the mirror the democrats have to

01:21:27.340 ask ourselves why didn't we pass that tax cut right you're absolutely right that's what i'm talking

01:21:33.500 about that that's really pissed off the republicans that with things he's done like you're going to

01:21:40.060 piss off the democrats with things you say so i i like him because i think he's solution he wants to be

01:21:47.660 solutions based which is what we need and you know you can't you can't say that there's not a huge

01:21:55.020 machine in the way of any good idea that would produce results for citizens here there's a huge

01:22:02.620 machine in the way as you've said yourself a huge corporatocracy that's in the way of anything fair

01:22:09.740 it's in the way of anything that isn't for the few at the expense of the many and that's what's wrong

01:22:16.060 and that isn't anything american has nothing to do with the founding of this country and the mistakes

01:22:22.540 that were you know inherent in the founding of this country that were since attempted to correct and

01:22:30.140 we're still in the process of correcting one hundred percent amen well i go back to the declaration of

01:22:38.380 independence that's right this it's our cure the rights of life liberty in the pursuit of happiness

01:22:45.420 not toward the rights but secure the rights all men and yeah we need a lot of that back but i think oh

01:22:52.860 i want to have you back to talk about nasara and gisara which is what i think is the road trump's on

01:23:00.220 and that's a big economic thing but i want you to come back and talk to me about that but i just want

01:23:05.980 to say thank you so much marianne for being on my show it was wonderful speaking with you an

01:23:13.100 intelligent meeting you too thank you wonderful to meet you too and is there a uh website where

01:23:19.020 people can learn more donate your campaign yes yes thank you marianne m-a-r-i-a-n-n-e marianne

01:23:26.540 2024.com and if anybody likes what i said i hope they'll drop a dollar because it's yes and i want

01:23:36.460 to see you in debate because you're very very good and well-spoken and thank you very much and

01:23:42.300 god bless you marianne much love to both of you thank you so much have a beautiful day

01:23:46.140 much love to you

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The Roseanne Barr Podcast - October 12, 2023

Marianne Williamson ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #018

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