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00:00:59.300 Hey, I'm Mike Rowe, and I got nothing against celebrities.

00:01:03.580 In fact, I just interviewed Rob Lowe and Jason Alexander, and they were terrific,

00:01:07.160 but usually I interview people you've never heard of.

00:01:10.000 The plumber who makes $250,000 a year.

00:01:12.440 The first responders who risk their lives to save complete and total strangers.

00:01:16.460 And the mad scientists who are about to change the world with a better mousetrap.

00:01:20.040 Those are the kinds of people I usually interview on the way I heard it.

00:01:23.780 And you're officially invited to give it a listen, wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:01:27.180 Hey, y'all are going to love this episode with Dr. Lois Lee, an old friend of mine, a woman who is incredible.

00:01:36.420 You're not going to believe the stuff she's done.

00:01:38.620 Solved the Hillside Strangler case, saved 12,000 child prostitutes, which I was involved with and I talk about all the time from pimps and child trafficking.

00:01:50.520 And she's going to talk about the difference in America, people who are children who are trafficked and children who are child prostitutes, because it's important that people know that.

00:02:01.560 Anyway, so YouTube's trying to shut me out because I'm a Jew and I'm sexy.

00:02:07.040 And so I'm going to start doing this thing where it's going to be you.

00:02:12.120 You can find me at YouTube dot com forward slash at Roseanne Barcliffe.

00:02:17.200 I'm going to go follow and go follow that.

00:02:19.880 Because subscribe and follow, because, you know, I'm not out here doing this for my health.

00:02:26.060 I'm out here trying to save these children and wake up the American idiots.

00:02:30.700 So, you know, you've got to be behind me.

00:02:33.180 I'm not just doing this for my health.

00:02:35.180 I need your support.

00:02:36.940 So do it, bitches.

00:02:38.500 Nice.

00:02:38.900 And also, you're going to be going to locals and possibly adding a second show.

00:02:42.620 Yeah, I'm going to be going to locals and possibly adding a second show because people want to know the truth about the Bible.

00:02:48.660 And I don't want to do it because it will crash my total career.

00:02:53.080 But what have you.

00:02:54.400 I'm ready to do it.

00:02:55.440 God won't leave me alone.

00:02:56.680 So I got to do what he says, of course, because I don't want to make him mad.

00:03:01.280 I don't want him canceling me.

00:03:03.380 You know what I mean?

00:03:04.340 Smart.

00:03:04.800 So follow me on locals.

00:03:05.700 So follow me on locals, Roseannebar.locals.com.

00:03:11.880 You know, that's what I'm going to do.

00:03:13.840 I got to be telling the truth because people don't know.

00:03:16.400 And I need to save you.

00:03:17.980 Absolutely.

00:03:18.540 And I'm going to do it.

00:03:19.500 And you guys, if you do follow her, you don't have to subscribe because there's a paid subscription.

00:03:23.880 You can follow her.

00:03:24.480 But if you do subscribe, however, this second show she's going to do, she's going to take audience submissions.

00:03:30.140 So if you do subscribe and support.

00:03:31.540 Because I want to talk to you.

00:03:33.140 I don't just want to talk to the air.

00:03:35.320 I want to talk to people who know.

00:03:36.920 And there's a lot of y'all who know.

00:03:38.660 And we've got to start making our web.

00:03:42.500 Those who know.

00:03:43.840 And there's not a lot of us.

00:03:45.560 But you know what Tora says in this day and age?

00:03:48.800 All we need is 2,000 people who know.

00:03:52.400 And that's critical mass.

00:03:53.760 2,000.

00:03:55.280 Right.

00:03:55.840 So enjoy the show.

00:03:57.280 And again, locals, supporter of locals.

00:03:59.460 If you are a supporter, you can have your submissions on the second show.

00:04:03.040 You can be on the show with my mom.

00:04:04.500 Something to think about.

00:04:05.320 Anyway.

00:04:05.440 Yeah.

00:04:05.800 Ignore me at your peril, bitches.

00:04:07.560 I've been telling you the truth for 40 fucking years.

00:04:10.360 Give me some fucking credit.

00:04:11.620 Give me some fucking support.

00:04:13.200 I'm out here alone.

00:04:14.620 I'm an old fucking lady.

00:04:16.080 Give me a fucking break.

00:04:17.340 Hold me up.

00:04:18.220 Do something.

00:04:19.400 For God's sake.

00:04:24.500 There aren't a lot of women on earth that I am in awe of.

00:04:36.080 And so admire and can't even believe that I'm sharing a planet with them at the very same

00:04:43.980 time.

00:04:45.160 And at the top of that list is my guest today, Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night,

00:04:52.160 which was an organization that I became aware of through Tracy Lords way back in the day.

00:04:58.940 I think it was the early 90s.

00:05:00.860 And this woman is just, I can't wait for you to meet and speak to her.

00:05:06.360 Hi, Lois.

00:05:07.460 Hi, Roseanne.

00:05:08.280 It's a pleasure seeing you again.

00:05:10.200 So nice to see you again and be able to spend time with you and talk and catch up on the

00:05:15.300 crazy world we're living in.

00:05:17.060 Oh, and how quickly it all changes.

00:05:19.240 Yeah.

00:05:19.500 How quickly it all changes.

00:05:20.840 You, when I met you, you know, Tracy Lords told me, you should meet Dr. Lois Lee because

00:05:28.820 she's helping child prostitutes, kids that are child prostitutes and, you know, in the

00:05:37.980 business and of porn and stuff.

00:05:40.440 Because Tracy Lords was underage when she was making those porn films.

00:05:44.560 And she loved you.

00:05:46.880 And that's how I met you.

00:05:48.460 And I could not believe, first of all, that you had an 85% success rate of taking these

00:05:55.940 kids off basically Hollywood Boulevard and turning their lives around from they, most of them,

00:06:05.720 in fact, all of them, being victims of abuse and incest and having had no idea or experience

00:06:14.780 of safety or love in their lives.

00:06:17.160 And you took, I remember you took a van down Hollywood Boulevard with a bullhorn and screamed,

00:06:26.300 I think it was at 1 or 2 a.m. and said, if you are being held hostage or in slavery to

00:06:33.080 a pimp, run to this van now.

00:06:35.680 And they, not a lot of them, but a few would run.

00:06:38.760 And then you would begin the process of instilling a self into them and saving their lives.

00:06:46.060 Yes.

00:06:46.720 Yes.

00:06:47.740 Helped over 12,000 children.

00:06:49.500 Wow.

00:06:50.080 And the matter is, the issue is really be where they are, whether that's on the streets or

00:06:55.840 knocking on doors in massage parlors or meeting people who are in the business and talking

00:06:59.980 to adult entertainment people.

00:07:02.860 I mean, in the early days, a lot of my kids came from pornographers and adult filmmakers

00:07:07.420 and people who are running the sex clubs because they were making millions of dollars.

00:07:13.100 And they didn't want kids in their business.

00:07:14.840 But the guys that work for them thought it was funny to pass around tapes of kids or to

00:07:20.000 put, give a girl a Quaalude and stick her up on a stage.

00:07:22.640 And I've taken some kids away from some of the most dangerous organized crime people in

00:07:29.220 the United States.

00:07:29.900 Can you give us a story of one of your most memorable memories of, you know, you were telling me last

00:07:41.320 night about how you can spot a pimp.

00:07:45.540 Can you tell us about pimps?

00:07:47.120 Well, pimps, and people don't know this, but pimps are children who were victims, their mothers

00:07:55.080 were victims of domestic violence and rape.

00:07:57.820 And they witnessed it as small young boys.

00:08:00.540 And they were powerless to do anything.

00:08:02.500 And they were emasculated.

00:08:04.060 And in that process, they identified with the perpetrator.

00:08:06.640 But every pimp has a mother.

00:08:10.040 And when he's out there pimping girls and taking money, he always takes care of his mother.

00:08:14.900 She has a new car.

00:08:16.060 She has a home.

00:08:18.300 Because he feels guilty that he wasn't able to do anything at that time.

00:08:22.400 And that's the process.

00:08:23.700 And if you understand that humanity, then it's kind of easy to deal with pimps.

00:08:29.420 I mean, I'm well known among that subculture as that I get it.

00:08:34.800 I know about that.

00:08:36.400 And so, you know, and they'll say to me frequently, come on, you're hip to the game.

00:08:39.580 You know what happened.

00:08:40.480 And not specifically that, but about the whole thing and the situation that they're in.

00:08:45.880 So it's not like I'm forgiving.

00:08:47.360 It's not like I wouldn't put someone in jail if they hurt a child.

00:08:50.020 I don't go after pimps.

00:08:51.380 But if I have a child and a pimp has really abused her and he needs to be put away, I'm game.

00:08:56.600 Is there any changing any of those pimps?

00:09:01.180 Is there any waking them up and getting them to realize that being a victim in childhood has made them that way?

00:09:19.400 Pimps have a gift of gab.

00:09:21.240 So I don't really, I don't buy into that.

00:09:23.500 And yes, they all find God when they're in prison.

00:09:27.080 And many pimps write me from prison, even pimps that I've testified against to put in jail for life.

00:09:33.240 But I can't do both.

00:09:36.980 I just can't.

00:09:37.640 And I won't try.

00:09:38.320 I'm not going to try and straddle it.

00:09:40.220 I think it would be very dangerous for the kids to see that I was aligned with them in any way.

00:09:45.200 Snoop Dogg reached out one year and wanted to be our emcee for our 25th anniversary.

00:09:48.840 And I said, no.

00:09:50.420 No pimps, no politicians.

00:09:51.740 Well, they're kind of the same thing, aren't they?

00:09:54.920 Yeah, I think so.

00:09:55.900 Yeah.

00:09:56.460 I wonder how many politicians were also raped as kids and made into pretty much a mind slave.

00:10:03.920 That's what it does.

00:10:05.180 I don't have much sympathy for politicians.

00:10:07.140 I don't like them.

00:10:08.640 I see them as real perpetrators.

00:10:10.480 I don't really see them as victims.

00:10:11.660 I don't know what their history is, but I don't like politicians.

00:10:16.080 But I was just trying to get with you to what we were talking about, America's Dirty Little

00:10:22.600 Secret.

00:10:23.540 And I really want to get into that because every criminal in prison has a background of being

00:10:30.640 abused and mostly sexually abused.

00:10:33.380 No question.

00:10:33.960 But we never talk about that, do we?

00:10:35.900 No.

00:10:36.580 And what we do know, though, is that when pedophiles go to prison, they kill them.

00:10:40.680 They beat them up.

00:10:41.760 They torture them.

00:10:43.000 And that's the only real saving grace because you can't rehabilitate them at all.

00:10:49.180 You just can't.

00:10:50.140 They've tried everything from castration, and then they would go out and molest and rape

00:10:53.840 again with instruments.

00:10:56.380 So it's a vicious circle.

00:11:00.440 It's not received the attention from social sciences.

00:11:03.200 It should.

00:11:03.620 Nobody really knows because it's so repugnant to most people.

00:11:08.160 But yet it's so repugnant that people turn away from it and allow it to continue to where

00:11:13.440 it's at epic proportion.

00:11:15.620 Talk about a virus.

00:11:17.000 Talk about a deadly virus.

00:11:19.560 And America is the home of it, isn't it?

00:11:22.180 It's the center of worldwide child prostitution, child pornography, child disappearance.

00:11:32.980 Yes.

00:11:33.280 And it's different than other parts of the world because in America, it's all, there's

00:11:38.640 a sickness to it.

00:11:39.780 There's an addiction to it.

00:11:41.160 And when you look in other parts of the world, there's a different kind of justification because

00:11:45.480 maybe it's economic for food and a place to sleep because the conditions, the economic

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00:11:52.740 So there's a real insidious environment and attitude and rearing of pimps and prostitution,

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00:14:11.320 You know, I don't lie.

00:14:12.200 You know, I ain't going to take you down the wrong road.

00:14:16.300 It's just, you can't tell the good guy from the bad guy.

00:14:19.640 So I just had to go into this deciding that they were bad and these kids were good.

00:14:24.020 You have to kind of be black and white in that respect.

00:14:26.780 And you have to find your heroes where you can find them.

00:14:29.660 Well, how did you build this?

00:14:31.680 I mean, you built this organization against, you defied every single step of the way because

00:14:39.820 you stayed away from the government, right?

00:14:41.500 Yes, exactly.

00:14:42.940 And what had happened is Jimmy Carter was president and it was during the Hillside Strangler.

00:14:51.340 And I was a young radical feminist who wanted to be a college professor.

00:14:54.980 I was at UCLA in a PhD program.

00:14:57.460 And my professor said I had to do a statistical study for my dissertation, which is the last

00:15:02.960 step.

00:15:03.760 And wanted me to look at census data in Chicago and predict the next race riot based on demographics

00:15:09.400 and temperature and that kind of thing.

00:15:11.620 I said, I'm not going to do that.

00:15:13.700 And my mentor from undergraduate school, we went to San Francisco for the American Sociological

00:15:18.580 Association.

00:15:19.500 It was quite innocent.

00:15:20.880 And she opened the paper one morning and she said, oh, look, across the street is the first

00:15:24.720 National Hookers Convention.

00:15:26.400 Let's go over there and give out our questions on female sexuality.

00:15:30.140 So I said, okay.

00:15:31.560 And so we go over there and I meet Margo St. James, who's the founder of Coyote.

00:15:35.280 I know her too.

00:15:36.100 And Margo said to me, you know, you can't be involved with us because you're not a prostitute,

00:15:39.940 but I want to introduce you to someone.

00:15:41.960 So she introduced me to two women with the ACLU who had sued the Oakland Police Department

00:15:46.880 for not arresting the customers.

00:15:49.660 And they won.

00:15:51.480 And that meant the police could not bring in a prostitute unless they brought the customer.

00:15:55.860 Nobody wanted anybody to go to jail.

00:15:57.960 They wanted the law equally enforced so that we could take the criminalization out of prostitution.

00:16:02.860 And they said, why don't you do it in L.A.?

00:16:06.640 Well, I was 25 years old.

00:16:08.120 I thought it was a great idea.

00:16:09.980 Nobody else did.

00:16:11.380 And I found my friends go, oh, my God, you need a lawyer.

00:16:14.720 And they found me a great lawyer who'd been a prosecutor.

00:16:17.300 And he got a court order to defend these prostitutes based on us challenging the constitutionality

00:16:23.100 of the law.

00:16:24.080 Well, they went berserk, the police department, because here I am as a statistician going through

00:16:30.540 every single police report filed for the last three years.

00:16:34.000 And they're going, oh, my God, we don't know what's in them.

00:16:36.280 And then I'm looking at the publications they put out, which were total lies in terms of numbers.

00:16:41.100 And I was going into court to testify as an expert.

00:16:44.380 And the male judge was a presiding judge who was an ex-cop, threw the female judge out of court.

00:16:50.840 And he demanded I come to court.

00:16:52.460 My attorney literally snuck me down the back steps of the criminal courthouse and said,

00:16:56.780 if you don't step in this courtroom, you can't touch it.

00:16:59.660 So they threw the case out.

00:17:01.680 So nobody went to jail for prostitution.

00:17:03.780 So we did this several times.

00:17:05.100 And I became a hero among the streets, even among the pimps.

00:17:09.320 The pimps said, go with her, because she can keep you out of jail.

00:17:13.000 Well, what had happened is there were hillside stranglers.

00:17:16.440 And 10 girls had been killed.

00:17:19.260 And by that time, I had met a couple of girls in court who were victims who died.

00:17:24.840 And one night, a madam, and let me clarify that, she's an 18-year-old heroin addict who's

00:17:31.240 got a list of customers and running ads in the underground.

00:17:34.140 And she sends out a girl, and she calls me.

00:17:36.480 She says, oh, my God, he's not answering the phone.

00:17:39.080 I can't find the address in the Thomas Guide.

00:17:41.700 I say, get into her apartment any way you can.

00:17:44.160 See if you can figure out, you know, if he changed the address.

00:17:48.160 I call the operator, and I say, I need the supervisor.

00:17:52.160 I've learned at this point not to use the word prostitute.

00:17:55.560 And so I say, I run a rape hotline.

00:17:57.900 And can you tell me about where this phone comes?

00:18:00.180 I've got a woman who's in trouble.

00:18:01.600 And the supervisor shouldn't have told me, but she did.

00:18:04.560 And she said, it's a pay phone.

00:18:08.300 I said, okay.

00:18:09.000 So I started to call the police.

00:18:10.300 And then I had the address because he had changed the name.

00:18:12.980 And I knew we were in trouble because he didn't change the numbers of the apartment or the

00:18:17.660 apartment number.

00:18:18.560 He changed the name of the street to where it rhymed.

00:18:21.260 So she wouldn't think that it was any kind of foul play.

00:18:25.180 Because if he would have changed the numbers, she wouldn't have gone.

00:18:27.240 She would have called back the madam.

00:18:28.900 And so I knew we were in trouble and proceeded to call the police for over an hour.

00:18:34.880 They were supposed to come to me.

00:18:36.180 They couldn't come to me.

00:18:37.120 I went to them.

00:18:38.320 And being an academic, I was writing a term paper.

00:18:40.540 So I'm sitting there and I'm writing all these stories of these people coming in the

00:18:43.880 police department, which was good because later it was evidence that I really was there

00:18:48.180 when the police came out and tried to tell me I was confused.

00:18:51.740 I was a liar.

00:18:52.280 They tried to discredit me.

00:18:55.340 And when I pulled out my notebook, they just went, okay, okay.

00:19:00.500 Anyway, I went home and I called Warren Wilson, a KNBC news reporter.

00:19:05.160 And it was like three o'clock in the morning.

00:19:06.980 I said, get up.

00:19:07.540 We got another one.

00:19:08.580 He said, what?

00:19:09.260 I said, we got another one.

00:19:10.540 Gave him all the information.

00:19:12.260 Went to the apartment building.

00:19:14.100 He said, it's a security building.

00:19:17.240 Her car is here.

00:19:18.000 You're right.

00:19:18.460 Her keys are in the middle of the street.

00:19:20.200 I can't get in the building.

00:19:21.240 It's a security building.

00:19:22.640 What are you going to do?

00:19:23.780 I said, I'm not coming out.

00:19:25.040 I'm going to stay here.

00:19:26.040 These guys were very dangerous.

00:19:28.060 And I said, I'm just going to wait until I hear from the police.

00:19:31.860 And the next morning, I called a friend of mine in the sheriff's department and told him

00:19:35.880 what happened.

00:19:36.420 He said, oh, my God.

00:19:38.180 They didn't take a report from you because he knew my family and me.

00:19:42.160 I said, I'm telling you what happened.

00:19:43.320 He says, we got a body.

00:19:44.780 Sounds like the girl you reported missing last night.

00:19:47.000 Oh, my God.

00:19:48.620 Where are you?

00:19:49.260 I said, I'm home.

00:19:49.860 He says, don't mess around.

00:19:50.720 Do not move.

00:19:51.720 Stay there.

00:19:53.040 And so Warren called me.

00:19:54.920 He said, there's 55 LAPD cops.

00:19:57.200 And if there's any evidence, they've trampled it.

00:20:00.720 He said they got a body.

00:20:02.320 So he decides to meet me at the sheriff's station.

00:20:04.320 We'll do an interview from there.

00:20:05.420 And nobody in the sheriff's station, everybody was so scared who was going to tell me because

00:20:11.100 they thought I was going to break down and cry that, you know, it was my girlfriend or

00:20:14.920 something.

00:20:15.360 They didn't, you know, recognize me as a professional.

00:20:18.080 It's okay.

00:20:18.500 I didn't, but that's just the time.

00:20:20.480 I'm just trying to describe the time.

00:20:22.820 And after we did the interview, I said, where are you going?

00:20:25.180 He says, to the apartment building.

00:20:26.800 He said, I'm going with you.

00:20:27.900 He said, well, I don't think you should.

00:20:29.080 And I said, I'm going.

00:20:29.660 And so we went and all the cops were upstairs and they knocked on the door of everyone in

00:20:35.940 the apartment and asked them for their driver's license.

00:20:39.680 And Kenneth Bianchi, who was one of the murderers, was able to con his way out of showing his

00:20:45.840 driver's license.

00:20:46.620 So he was the murderer.

00:20:47.940 In the building.

00:20:48.540 In the apartment.

00:20:49.800 He lived there.

00:20:50.580 Wow.

00:20:51.280 And they missed it.

00:20:52.680 Meanwhile, I grabbed the landlords and the managers and I said to them, hey, you know,

00:21:01.080 who was in that apartment last night?

00:21:02.520 I know you rent the empty apartments, you know, for cash.

00:21:06.320 Who's in it?

00:21:06.820 We don't speak English.

00:21:07.620 We don't speak English.

00:21:08.900 Down comes this big, you know, sergeant or whatever he was, head of homicide, blowing smoke

00:21:13.680 in my face from this car.

00:21:15.860 And I said, he's in this building.

00:21:17.460 He's here.

00:21:18.500 And he said, no, we've cleared the building.

00:21:20.920 And that's how I knew they were asking for IDs.

00:21:22.960 He said, these people know who was in there.

00:21:25.520 And he's going, what do you, you have to tell me everything.

00:21:27.940 He's going to come and he's going to kill you.

00:21:29.780 And who are you?

00:21:30.600 And I stand on my tippy toes and I'm like, well, I'm Lois Lee.

00:21:33.900 And then I says, let me, I'm going to go talk to my lawyer.

00:21:36.380 I'll call you.

00:21:37.640 And I left.

00:21:39.620 Turned out just recently in the last year, I met the daughter of those managers.

00:21:44.440 And she said, he was in the building.

00:21:46.900 I live next door to him.

00:21:48.260 My mother told me that morning she saw him and Angela Bono carry the girl out in the blanket.

00:21:54.720 Oh, my gosh.

00:21:55.720 It was right there, right in front of them.

00:21:57.500 And they just blundered it again and again and again.

00:22:00.940 And then they tried, of course, to discredit me.

00:22:03.560 And this new police chief comes along named Chief Darrell Gates, who said, we're going to listen to her.

00:22:10.700 We're going to talk to everybody and we're going to listen to her.

00:22:12.940 And he and I became good friends after all of this was over, but he really did protect me and all of that.

00:22:19.460 And the search was on and I was so angry.

00:22:23.000 I said in one of the interviews, at 5 o'clock it went nationwide on the news.

00:22:28.300 And 5.10, it's like every news reporter was in the small little office I had.

00:22:32.360 There wasn't room for anybody.

00:22:33.540 And the police were calling me from Century City.

00:22:37.200 And they said, you're to get over here right now and tell us what happened.

00:22:42.380 I said, no, I'm not coming there.

00:22:43.880 And they said, no, you're going to come right now.

00:22:47.320 And I said, there's press here.

00:22:49.020 I don't know what to do.

00:22:50.400 And they said, if you tell them anything, I will personally get you.

00:22:53.620 If my little girl wakes up tomorrow morning and reads the paper and knows everything that happened to that little girl, I'm going to get you.

00:23:00.240 I'm going to punish you for this.

00:23:02.000 And he said, we're doing a movie.

00:23:05.160 We're doing a movie.

00:23:06.660 He says, and you need to tell us everything that happened.

00:23:09.940 I said, well, I have to go.

00:23:11.460 So I said to the press, I can't talk to you because they say I'll be in the investigation.

00:23:15.760 And they said, what do you know about what those guys did to the little girl?

00:23:19.340 I said, nothing.

00:23:20.640 What do you know?

00:23:21.380 I know how many times I tried to call the police.

00:23:23.820 I know what the police did.

00:23:25.160 I know what happened this morning.

00:23:26.660 I know that he's in that building.

00:23:28.820 And they said, now, do you know why they don't want you to talk to us?

00:23:31.880 Just tell us what you do know.

00:23:34.280 And so I ended up saying in one of those interviews, if you're involved in the prostitution business and you think you know who the Hillside Strangler is and you don't want to talk to the police, don't talk to them.

00:23:44.620 Call me.

00:23:45.280 I put my home phone number up.

00:23:46.440 And my phone rang off the hook and Warren Wilson from KNBC, Wayne Satz from ABC, Jim Mitchell from KFWB all came to my house and we split up the calls and organized the tips.

00:24:01.000 And I wouldn't talk to the police.

00:24:02.880 They had to follow us.

00:24:04.840 And they drove him crazy, absolutely crazy.

00:24:09.360 So, and we went after him and the press really ran him out of town.

00:24:13.340 I think he did one more murder up in Glendale that was different than picking up girls on sunset.

00:24:18.060 And at the end of it, I made a deal with the police that if I introduce you to a prostitute who gives you information that leads to the prosecution and arrest of the Hillside Strangler, will you wipe out her criminal record?

00:24:35.000 And the sheriff's department said, yeah.

00:24:37.160 It's okay.

00:24:38.580 So I introduced them to these girls.

00:24:40.360 They didn't think the information was very valuable.

00:24:42.380 And about a year later, one of the girls calls me and says, call up those cops.

00:24:51.240 Oh, they caught one of the guys in Washington when she saw him.

00:24:54.640 She said, call up those cops.

00:24:56.540 Ask those cops if they have an upholstery repair business in Glendale.

00:25:02.820 And she described it to a T.

00:25:04.640 A Marilyn Monroe calendar on the wall.

00:25:07.480 And I said, okay.

00:25:08.820 I said, give me your number.

00:25:09.760 She says, I can't.

00:25:10.580 She says, because Lucky knows you're working with the police.

00:25:13.140 Lucky was her parent, who I knew.

00:25:15.800 And she says, but I'll call you back.

00:25:18.000 And I called them.

00:25:18.860 They said, we need her.

00:25:19.580 We need her.

00:25:19.980 We need her.

00:25:21.340 And I said, well, she'll call me.

00:25:23.620 And never heard from her.

00:25:24.880 Not for months.

00:25:26.180 I get a letter from her.

00:25:27.480 She's in jail.

00:25:28.920 And so what happened was that she says, remember those cops?

00:25:32.640 Can you help me?

00:25:33.260 And I said, sure, I can help you.

00:25:34.380 So I called them up.

00:25:35.100 And I said, I found her.

00:25:36.520 And they go, where is she?

00:25:37.400 I said, she's in your jail.

00:25:38.540 Did she get out?

00:25:44.500 Yeah.

00:25:44.820 They went down and they talked to her.

00:25:46.620 And then they had her call her pimp and ask him for the book.

00:25:49.000 And he wouldn't give it to her.

00:25:50.200 So they took her out of jail, took her to the pimp's house.

00:25:52.980 And she saw all of these teenage prostitutes.

00:25:55.580 That was the first time we knew teenagers were working as prostitutes.

00:25:58.960 And did this lead to catching Bianchi at all that tip?

00:26:02.560 Well, it ended to organizing all, yes, organizing all the witnesses.

00:26:07.000 Wow.

00:26:07.220 Because she could put Bianchi with Bono.

00:26:10.280 Amazing.

00:26:11.180 And the way she knew him is she and Yolanda, who was the first Hillside Strangler victim,

00:26:17.540 had gone to their house and sold them a list of customers because they wanted to be escort

00:26:22.820 pimp operators.

00:26:23.600 And so what happened was that they sold him a book.

00:26:30.540 You know, books are like they have in-call numbers.

00:26:32.780 Many guys come to you in out-call numbers.

00:26:34.600 You go to the guy.

00:26:35.520 And they wanted just the out-call.

00:26:37.160 And they sold them everything.

00:26:38.460 They ripped them off.

00:26:39.900 And so a lot of people believe that the first murder was a retaliation for that.

00:26:44.420 Wow.

00:26:44.540 Well, their upholstery business, weren't they reupholstering police cars?

00:26:49.400 Yes.

00:26:49.700 And so they used the police cars at night to pick up girls.

00:26:51.980 That's why the girls would get in the cars willingly.

00:26:54.280 Wow.

00:26:54.680 Oh, my God.

00:26:55.320 Nobody knows that.

00:26:56.640 Well, it was all over the news.

00:26:58.620 Investigators know that.

00:27:00.900 It did come out.

00:27:01.940 I didn't know it.

00:27:02.620 And I really followed that case.

00:27:03.900 Yeah.

00:27:04.420 I didn't know they were using police cars to pick up prostitutes and children.

00:27:07.780 And they also would take these girls out to some kind of building out in, I don't know,

00:27:12.500 East L.A. somewhere where they were having sex with all these high official police officers,

00:27:17.920 captains and stuff.

00:27:19.360 And so the girls were afraid to go to the police.

00:27:22.580 Wow.

00:27:23.240 So anyway, so Debbie ended up.

00:27:26.500 So then this was very quite funny because so she goes to the house.

00:27:30.740 She's pissed at Lucky.

00:27:31.920 He won't give her the book.

00:27:32.960 She can't find the book.

00:27:34.100 So she comes to my house with the two sheriffs.

00:27:36.120 And we're sitting in my living room.

00:27:37.500 And she says, and we're talking.

00:27:39.000 And she says, where's that file cabinet that you kept in your office?

00:27:44.440 And then I pointed through a little window.

00:27:46.120 And I said, it's right there.

00:27:48.220 And she got up.

00:27:49.120 And she opened up the bottom drawer.

00:27:50.540 And she pulled out the book.

00:27:51.440 She goes, here it is.

00:27:53.140 I said, what's it doing there?

00:27:54.260 And she says, we all knew you didn't work.

00:27:57.040 So the books are worth money.

00:27:58.680 So we would Xerox the books on the attorney's Xerox machine where my office was.

00:28:04.080 And then they'd keep copies in the bottom drawer because they knew they were safe.

00:28:09.060 So that was the physical evidence.

00:28:11.420 Wow.

00:28:12.100 And you're a college student at this time?

00:28:14.080 Uh-huh.

00:28:14.500 Wow.

00:28:14.700 Working on my PhD.

00:28:15.920 What a start, right?

00:28:17.680 Well, and I had to turn in a term paper.

00:28:19.860 And I called my professor.

00:28:20.820 And I said, I can't write.

00:28:21.880 I just can't write.

00:28:23.220 And I told him what happened.

00:28:24.440 He said, this is so important.

00:28:25.740 He says, just run with it.

00:28:26.980 He says, I'll give you a B.

00:28:28.500 If your paper's worse, I'll lower your grade.

00:28:30.380 If your paper's better, I'll give you a better grade.

00:28:33.020 He says, but just run with this.

00:28:34.280 It's so important.

00:28:35.220 This is what sociology is really about.

00:28:38.240 So then we had the evidence.

00:28:42.180 And then we had other girls.

00:28:43.300 And then there were other girls who knew him.

00:28:45.960 And we organized the other girls.

00:28:48.160 One girl was, I mean, their lives had changed.

00:28:50.380 One was married to a police officer.

00:28:52.400 So I had to organize them to get them to say, it's OK.

00:28:56.120 We're going to go into court and testify against Angela Bono.

00:28:58.980 Because Bianchi ended up pleading guilty in Washington, I believe.

00:29:03.620 And we're going to go in and testify against Bianchi.

00:29:05.760 And it'll be OK.

00:29:06.600 And I'll be there with you.

00:29:08.240 And so we went.

00:29:09.880 And we put them all in a hotel.

00:29:11.920 And one of them, one of the first girls, she ended up staying with me.

00:29:15.400 I went out dancing and stuff and had fun the night before.

00:29:18.200 I says, don't worry about this.

00:29:19.660 I've done this lots.

00:29:21.400 So we went in and went to court.

00:29:23.460 And everybody testified.

00:29:24.340 And then I was the expert.

00:29:25.420 Because nobody knew what a book was and how that worked.

00:29:29.800 And I had to testify, if you can believe this, that as gruesome as these murders were,

00:29:34.520 and with all the evidence they had, I had to testify that the prostitutes had given me

00:29:38.500 this information before the press.

00:29:41.140 Or that they weren't just lying because the police told them to or stuff.

00:29:44.760 I said, yes.

00:29:45.740 I knew this then.

00:29:46.660 I tried to tell the police.

00:29:48.160 And it's not my fault if they didn't write it down.

00:29:52.180 So it was a mess.

00:29:53.900 And then what happened is pornographers and strip club owners, Eddie Nash being one of

00:29:59.560 them, I don't know if you know that name, would call me and say, I don't want kids in my

00:30:03.860 business.

00:30:04.480 Come get them.

00:30:06.420 And then I had all these kids come through my house.

00:30:11.020 How old were they?

00:30:12.280 11 to 17.

00:30:13.720 And 11-year-olds didn't look like 11-year-olds.

00:30:17.300 So nobody believes I'm talking about children as prostitutes.

00:30:21.460 And there's one police officer.

00:30:23.740 His name is Fred Clapp.

00:30:24.620 He's a vice cop, one of the best skilled vice cops I've ever known.

00:30:28.800 I don't trust him, but he's very, very good.

00:30:32.920 And there was a little girl that was 11 that was in.

00:30:37.240 Her mother called me.

00:30:38.100 And they put her in the adult jail.

00:30:40.520 So I called, and I was well-known enough, so I just called and told the captain in the

00:30:44.860 jail.

00:30:45.160 I said, that's an 11-year-old kid.

00:30:46.640 Get her out of there.

00:30:47.580 So she put her in juvenile hall.

00:30:49.480 So there was a date of when I was supposed to go to court and meet her in juvenile court.

00:30:53.060 And I go and I walk in, and the women look at me.

00:30:55.840 The judge is not there yet.

00:30:56.880 And they go, what are you doing here?

00:30:58.900 And I said, I'm here for this case.

00:31:01.480 They said, oh my God, that was yesterday.

00:31:03.580 They said, how old is she?

00:31:04.780 I said, she's 11.

00:31:06.100 I said, the judge said, that's an 18-year-old.

00:31:08.220 If I ever saw an 18-year-old, I don't know what Lois is doing.

00:31:11.560 So I go back to the police, and I said, pull her out of jail.

00:31:14.280 And they said, he says, nobody believes you.

00:31:16.640 They're going to go after your credibility.

00:31:18.320 And I said, I'm telling you, she's 11.

00:31:20.380 But he says, OK, have her mother, who was in San Bernardino, go to the sheriff's and teletype or telex her birth certificate to us.

00:31:30.000 And they called up, and they went, damn, the kid's 11.

00:31:33.000 And they were the first agency to realize that they were processing children through the criminal justice system.

00:31:39.320 She didn't look it.

00:31:40.080 She had big breasts.

00:31:41.040 She was 5'8", and developed because she was sexualized when she was young.

00:31:47.000 Girls develop faster when that happens.

00:31:49.320 Right.

00:31:49.680 Right.

00:31:50.160 Yeah.

00:31:51.100 How horrible is that?

00:31:53.880 They never have any kind of a childhood.

00:31:56.480 No.

00:31:56.720 So they think that prostitution is normal.

00:32:00.920 Well, it's not that they think it's normal.

00:32:04.120 It's just a pimp creates a rationale for them.

00:32:07.960 You know, you don't have to stay at home and lay in your bed and wait for your mom's boyfriend to come into your bedroom.

00:32:13.320 I can show you how to have sex with men, how to control the sex,

00:32:17.960 and how to get money for it.

00:32:20.920 And you can have your nails done, and you can have your hair done, and you can have nice clothes in an apartment.

00:32:25.940 And we'll go to restaurants.

00:32:27.960 And some of it comes true.

00:32:29.680 They do get their nails done and their hair done because they have to because they work, and they do get nice clothes, skippy clothes, you know, to wear on the street.

00:32:36.260 And so it's, you know, I always say, life as a prostitute is better than life at home.

00:32:44.040 And until we understand that, we're not even going to begin to touch the prostitution problem.

00:32:51.420 And so, you know, these new organizations, sex trafficking organizations that have popped up and everything,

00:32:56.700 they consider prostituted kids repugnant.

00:32:59.720 And they just get furious with me if I use the word prostitute.

00:33:03.840 But too bad.

00:33:04.700 It is what it is.

00:33:05.420 Why? Because they want to call it trafficked?

00:33:07.280 They want to call it sex trafficking because they think it's more palatable to people,

00:33:10.860 and also they can engage more attractive victims, middle class victims.

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00:33:19.340 It is a class thing.

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00:35:18.300 Well, and then again, you have rich kids.

00:35:20.480 I had Walter Winchell's granddaughter.

00:35:22.740 I met her.

00:35:23.660 Yeah.

00:35:23.840 I knew kids of famous people all over Hollywood that I was in therapy groups with.

00:35:33.900 Yep.

00:35:34.340 Or just move it to her.

00:35:36.720 Yeah.

00:35:37.460 And, you know.

00:35:39.760 It's good stuff.

00:35:40.480 Being abused.

00:35:41.220 But the real underlying thing here is incest and sexual abuse in families, isn't it?

00:35:52.640 Yes, it is.

00:35:53.340 Whether it's brothers or fathers or stepfathers or uncles.

00:35:59.020 Grandpas are big.

00:36:00.540 Grandpas are real big.

00:36:01.880 The unspoken thing, though, which I learned because, you know, I just got into it because

00:36:08.080 I was in a lot of therapy groups.

00:36:09.960 I had problems myself.

00:36:11.900 And hearing other people in Hollywood is where it started for me in therapy groups.

00:36:18.660 Hearing their stories, you know, and when you...

00:36:23.340 Hear them, it's soul-shocking.

00:36:26.960 And especially how they get away with it, like on an industrial level in Hollywood.

00:36:32.980 Mm-hmm.

00:36:33.760 And that, you know, but everything seems to be based on the abuse of children.

00:36:40.000 And I would see it being in show business.

00:36:44.020 I would see it when mothers would come to audition their kids for my show.

00:36:49.560 And it would just disgust me.

00:36:52.560 I remember this one mother had babies that she wanted to play the baby on the show.

00:36:56.960 And she goes, you want them to cry?

00:36:58.620 They always had twins because they could only be on camera 30 seconds.

00:37:02.240 Yeah.

00:37:02.380 And she goes, oh, you want them to cry?

00:37:04.420 And then she hurt their feet so they'd cry.

00:37:08.280 And she's smiling as she did it.

00:37:10.720 And I freak out and have to call 35 psychiatrists to deal with them.

00:37:15.880 But, yeah, they had famous...

00:37:20.300 This is what I wanted to say.

00:37:22.840 The first time I got kicked out of the feminist movement, we were talking about this, is when

00:37:27.620 I said that boys were victims and that women were also perpetrators.

00:37:31.460 That's true.

00:37:32.000 They did not want to hear that.

00:37:34.080 Nope.

00:37:34.620 Because I knew, like in polygamous families, it's often the co-mothers that molest the daughters.

00:37:42.640 And that is so covered up.

00:37:44.540 Anything that women do...

00:37:45.740 And their sons.

00:37:46.640 And the sons, yeah.

00:37:47.600 I mean, I hear lots of that from boys that it started with their mother.

00:37:52.360 And, you know, but the feminist movement is also another middle-class movement.

00:37:56.580 Yes, it is.

00:37:57.500 Totally middle-class.

00:37:58.900 And so they miss, you know, a lot of what's going on.

00:38:01.380 And that angers me.

00:38:02.220 Well, they despise the working class.

00:38:04.340 I mean, look at them.

00:38:05.620 They just...

00:38:06.440 You can see it on the internet.

00:38:08.920 They're all pretty much academic, you know.

00:38:11.740 And they despise the filthy Trump-voting working class.

00:38:17.800 You know, it's disgusting.

00:38:19.820 They don't even understand class.

00:38:21.660 I had a meeting, a Zoom meeting with a trafficking group with the city of Los Angeles.

00:38:29.220 One was a DA.

00:38:30.680 And they said, you stop using the word prostitute.

00:38:33.920 You can't use the word prostitute.

00:38:35.180 I said, my kids are prostitutes.

00:38:37.040 And you won't let them in your programs.

00:38:39.360 And the DA said to me, you know, there is a law on the books that says if you refer to a child as a prostitute, you can go to jail.

00:38:46.360 I said, come get me.

00:38:48.220 There's no law.

00:38:49.740 But, you know, the intimidation that they would use.

00:38:52.380 And, of course, and then I took one of the videos.

00:38:54.560 You know, there's that, what is that, the white underbelly video?

00:38:58.620 Yeah.

00:38:59.160 YouTube.

00:39:00.040 Soft white underbelly.

00:39:01.240 And a little girl that I raised who used to run around naked, not in stilettos even, naked.

00:39:06.880 And she was a drug-addicted baby.

00:39:08.820 And her mom was a dear heart, but her mother was messed up.

00:39:12.940 And she was running around the streets, and the police would wrap her in a blanket and drive her to me again and again and again, every time she'd go out the door.

00:39:21.020 And so I put that little video, and I sent it out to the whole group.

00:39:25.520 They were so, why would you send out something so filthy and so nasty?

00:39:29.660 I said, because those are my children.

00:39:35.920 Those are my children.

00:39:39.120 And, yes, they've got lots of problems.

00:39:42.240 They're the refuse of America, right?

00:39:48.540 Mm-hmm.

00:39:49.420 And isn't it one in three girls and one in four boys?

00:39:52.260 I don't know.

00:39:52.780 And I don't know how anybody knows those numbers.

00:39:54.660 It's a lot.

00:39:55.620 We know it's a lot because it doesn't take a lot to be sitting around with four or five friends at lunch and women to start talking and say, yeah, my dad did this or my uncle or I had this one experience.

00:40:05.400 Everybody's had some experience.

00:40:07.380 It may not have been full-on intercourse or oral sex, but some experience with inappropriate touching.

00:40:13.620 Yeah.

00:40:14.240 And everybody knows somebody in their family that had it happen to them, too.

00:40:18.740 And oftentimes the kids get blamed.

00:40:20.940 Well, yeah.

00:40:21.500 It follows that it's like a mind control program to break somebody's soul.

00:40:28.300 Yep.

00:40:28.460 So then they become a, I won't say willing, but they become a kind of a robotized, enslaved operative to keep it going.

00:40:43.940 And it comes from a really high level, right?

00:40:49.320 You know how high a level it comes from.

00:40:51.480 Yeah.

00:40:52.000 And dealing with them, I mean, you really have to come at them with unconditional love.

00:40:57.660 Even if they spit in your face, no one's ever done that.

00:40:59.900 But they've turned around and said bad things about me.

00:41:04.360 And then they'll challenge you.

00:41:07.220 I mean, I had a little girl once who said, I've just had it with your crap.

00:41:10.920 I'm going back to the streets.

00:41:12.280 And the police were in the lobby.

00:41:13.880 And I said, do me a favor.

00:41:15.500 And she said, what's that?

00:41:16.200 I said, next time, get yourself a good pimp.

00:41:18.580 And she went up the door.

00:41:20.980 The police looked at me like, they were horrified that I said that.

00:41:24.720 And while they were still there for the meeting, she came back.

00:41:27.340 She thought about it.

00:41:29.860 Because the pimp she was with used to beat the crap out of her.

00:41:32.960 She didn't get to keep any of the money.

00:41:34.900 You know, so you really have to get down and deal with it on a level that they understand.

00:41:39.880 Well, you were telling me about, was that at your house where you fired, you found out?

00:41:47.140 I mean, you've had to look the devil in the face 10,000 times.

00:41:52.040 Oh, no kidding, yeah.

00:41:53.100 And you, so I wanted to know how you went from just taking kids into your house to founding

00:42:00.120 the place that I came to see.

00:42:02.540 Well, I wanted out, you know, because I still wanted to be a college professor.

00:42:06.140 So I couldn't get any money.

00:42:08.800 I wrote a government grant.

00:42:09.860 And at the bottom of it, it said, you have to sign here that you sign over all of your

00:42:14.000 trademarks, all of your, your copyrights, everything you have.

00:42:18.820 And I was an academic.

00:42:19.820 I was going to write a book.

00:42:20.740 I wasn't signing everything over to them.

00:42:23.640 And, and then I had to get letters of support from the community.

00:42:27.740 And the mayor's office said, no, we're setting up our own program.

00:42:30.580 We're not going to write you a letter.

00:42:31.580 So that just was not going to happen after 230 pages.

00:42:36.420 And, um, and came, um, Ronald Reagan's president.

00:42:42.300 And, uh, I was on this little documentary.

00:42:46.440 Um, it's called Eye on LA with Paul Moyer.

00:42:49.500 And he did a little cocktail party.

00:42:51.640 And, uh, and it was about what me being out on the streets and he got to interview kids

00:42:55.640 that were in my house.

00:42:56.280 Cause there were no laws.

00:42:57.380 You couldn't hold me to anything.

00:42:59.300 Um, I wasn't an institution or anything.

00:43:03.360 And so, um, we did the show as a nine minute piece and my phone started ringing off the

00:43:08.920 hook and it was Ray, President Reagan's kitchen cabinet who were on boards of directors of

00:43:14.440 foundations who said, we're going to give you money.

00:43:17.260 You need to fill out someone from our office is going to send you a grant proposal.

00:43:21.000 Do you know how to fill it out?

00:43:22.240 And I said, I think so.

00:43:23.600 I don't know.

00:43:24.260 I've never done that.

00:43:25.400 He said, if so, you call, if not, you have any trouble, you call so-and-so they'll help

00:43:29.140 you fill it out.

00:43:30.420 And that's how I got my first grant.

00:43:31.760 They said, we want the program out of your house.

00:43:33.960 So now I think I'll set it up in Hollywood and I'll turn it over to the university because

00:43:38.260 that's what we always did in the university, except nobody in the university wanted it.

00:43:42.100 And people were so stupid.

00:43:44.680 I mean, some of the people that worked for me, I've had really great people help me,

00:43:48.740 but I've had some very stupid people, you know, one young woman who took home some boy and

00:43:55.680 then, and then she's surprised to find him at her car, you know, a week later, you know,

00:44:01.240 and he's, he's going to hit her or do something.

00:44:03.400 It's just, would you do that?

00:44:05.140 You know, so just, it was very, very hard building staff.

00:44:12.100 So my staff really became kids that I pulled off the street and because they were, they

00:44:17.000 didn't know how to talk the language.

00:44:18.240 They were good at it.

00:44:18.960 I learned from them.

00:44:19.760 They learned from me.

00:44:22.120 And we did, they taught me some very funny things.

00:44:25.060 Like we went down, we had to go down to see a boy at the men's jail.

00:44:28.060 He was 18 and a long line of black women, because mostly the black children were in prison and

00:44:35.880 they all have the babies and the family and they're all crying and all of that.

00:44:41.140 And they're going to close and they just close on him.

00:44:43.540 Sorry, you didn't get in line, didn't get.

00:44:45.820 And she went up, she was tiny little blonde and she went up and she said, we need to see

00:44:49.600 so-and-so working children tonight.

00:44:51.040 He said, I don't care where you're from.

00:44:52.320 You're not going to see them.

00:44:53.340 She says, you see all those women there?

00:44:55.500 You want to riot?

00:44:56.960 You better let me in.

00:44:58.180 And he opened the door and got us in.

00:45:02.340 So, you know, and that's the way we just moved, you know, and the children tonight name really,

00:45:08.500 you know, started to grow.

00:45:09.840 I had situations where a commander in Hollywood came over and gave me the riot act and asked

00:45:16.200 me how much money I made.

00:45:17.280 And he says, you only make what a detective two makes.

00:45:19.420 And I said, is that good?

00:45:20.560 You know?

00:45:21.200 You know, and then he said, you know, Hollywood really doesn't want you here and so on and

00:45:30.420 so forth.

00:45:30.880 We know what you stand for.

00:45:32.060 I says, what do I stand for?

00:45:33.900 And he says, you stand for decriminalizing prostitution.

00:45:36.580 I said, yes, I do.

00:45:38.120 I said, but is that immoral or illegal or, you know?

00:45:41.220 Well, and I said, let me tell you something about the man that told you that he helped

00:45:44.980 me with the press conference once.

00:45:46.380 And he said to me at the end of the press conference, he said, now you have to pay me back.

00:45:52.680 And I said, and I said, I'm not a prostitute.

00:45:55.680 And he says, well, then you have to promise me if you ever become a prostitute, I'll be

00:45:58.940 the first one.

00:45:59.780 You're gross.

00:46:00.480 That commander ran out of my office, went and tore this guy up and in the community was

00:46:06.000 the big community person in Hollywood.

00:46:08.280 I don't want to say who.

00:46:10.860 And then LAPD became, he became my loyal friend.

00:46:14.760 And then he had to call.

00:46:16.380 I said, do this television show with me.

00:46:17.960 So he called down to Press Relations, who had already been through everything with me

00:46:21.680 through the Hillside Strangler.

00:46:23.260 And Commander Booth said, you can do any show you want with Lois Lee.

00:46:26.380 And he called me up.

00:46:27.280 He says, I don't know who you are, but he says, we're with you.

00:46:31.680 And they said, don't let her get hurt.

00:46:34.680 I love the story that, you know, we both kind of got our big start from Johnny Carson,

00:46:40.400 right?

00:46:40.620 Yes, yes.

00:46:41.420 So tell about what Johnny Carson did for Children of the Night.

00:46:46.160 Well, I had this drop-in center and we were always poor.

00:46:48.940 It was all hand-to-mouth, grassroots.

00:46:51.560 And then someone had nominated me for the President's Volunteer Action Award.

00:46:57.720 And I was invited to Washington, D.C. to have lunch with President Reagan and receive the

00:47:04.060 Volunteer Action Award medal that was presented to me by the President.

00:47:08.460 So that just really, and I met a bunch of the kitchen cabinet and Newt Gingrich was saying,

00:47:14.420 you know, this is a solution to society's problems.

00:47:16.880 You know, we don't need government grants.

00:47:18.880 Look, she did it through volunteerism.

00:47:20.680 It was a private initiative.

00:47:22.980 There needs to be more of this.

00:47:24.580 And so they really rallied around me.

00:47:26.840 And that was very, very helpful.

00:47:28.260 And then I came back and then I just met this publicist.

00:47:34.120 My girlfriend, who was a publicist, introduced me to this guy and says, listen, he's going

00:47:37.860 to go see Johnny Carson.

00:47:39.400 And he says, I work for NBC and I have to go give him, you know, a proposal to do a PSA.

00:47:44.820 They want him to do a PSA.

00:47:46.540 So give me your stuff and I'll throw it in there.

00:47:48.660 But look, there's 300 of them.

00:47:49.940 I can't guarantee anything.

00:47:51.880 And he said, it was amazing.

00:47:54.720 He called me.

00:47:55.140 He says, Johnny, went very quickly through all of them.

00:47:58.020 He said, this one grabbed yours.

00:48:01.060 And then we'd have these conversations.

00:48:03.680 He'd say, how goes the war?

00:48:05.240 I mean, he got it.

00:48:06.620 He really, you know, he knew what it was.

00:48:09.320 And I sent a grant and asked him after that for $100,000.

00:48:15.340 And his lawyer called me up and I had to go to the office in Century City.

00:48:19.080 And I made one of the men on my board go with me.

00:48:21.500 And we went and he said, you know, Johnny's not going to give you 100.

00:48:24.720 And I, you know, put my head down because I'm used to people saying no to me.

00:48:28.420 And I said, OK, because he's going to give you 50.

00:48:32.740 He says, but he wants to give you more.

00:48:34.860 He gave me over a million dollars all the time.

00:48:36.960 Wow.

00:48:37.680 And I could call him, you know, and tell him this is what's going on.

00:48:41.840 He always wanted to hear the stories.

00:48:43.700 Because, you know, people like that, you know, who really care and want to do something,

00:48:47.440 they're not going to go out on the streets, you know, but he wants to know what's going on.

00:48:51.280 What was his PSA?

00:48:52.320 I love this.

00:48:53.340 Tell the PSA.

00:48:55.220 This is Johnny Carson.

00:48:56.420 If you don't know where your child is tonight, children of the night might.

00:48:59.680 They're out on the streets rescuing kids.

00:49:01.980 They're providing food and housing and medical services and counseling.

00:49:06.780 Call now.

00:49:08.100 And they gave the number.

00:49:10.080 God, he's such a...

00:49:11.160 But he did five of them.

00:49:12.620 And so they would just run.

00:49:13.660 And people just would be shocked, you know, that Johnny Carson would do that.

00:49:17.720 Another person that is vilified by feminists is Hugh Hefner.

00:49:23.080 But let's talk about what Hugh Hefner did for children of the night.

00:49:27.400 Well, let's see.

00:49:29.420 Which is why I always liked him for that.

00:49:32.000 I'm trying to think.

00:49:32.980 Someone else was...

00:49:34.380 Oh, so one of the people from the Reagan administration, or his kitchen cabinet,

00:49:38.360 another very, very wealthy man, the household name you'd know, called me in to meet with him.

00:49:44.420 And he said, I'm going to help you.

00:49:47.640 And he says, we all want to help you.

00:49:50.320 And so he sent me over to meet with a woman who was head of the Republican Party.

00:49:55.340 And he called her from his office when he was sitting there.

00:49:58.260 And he says, I want you to put her together.

00:49:59.920 Set up the nonprofit.

00:50:01.520 Set everything up.

00:50:02.320 And let's get this going.

00:50:08.040 And I went to talk to her.

00:50:09.620 And she snubbed me.

00:50:11.140 And she said, we're not going to do this.

00:50:13.220 It's too risky for us.

00:50:15.220 Jeez.

00:50:15.840 So, I mean, I was used to it.

00:50:18.300 And so my girlfriend was Playmate of the Year.

00:50:22.480 And she had a little Mercedes that you get when you're Playmate of the Year.

00:50:25.540 And she called me up.

00:50:26.440 She says, come on, I'm going to take you to dinner for sushi.

00:50:28.540 I said, okay.

00:50:29.600 So she picks me up.

00:50:30.560 And she says, Hugh Hefner watches everything you do.

00:50:33.820 He videotapes everything you do.

00:50:35.980 And he has a newspaper clipping.

00:50:39.400 He's got a book on you of everything you've done.

00:50:42.100 And she says, in fact, she says, some of the guys were joking at the mansion saying,

00:50:46.840 do you hear what she said on TV?

00:50:48.620 And Hef said, that is not what she said.

00:50:50.880 And no one will ever speak about her that way again in this house.

00:50:55.600 She says, call him.

00:50:57.280 He'll help you.

00:50:57.780 Well, you don't really want to call a Hugh Hefner, right?

00:51:02.140 So the next day, I put my little suit on.

00:51:04.160 I go to the Playboy building where all the lawyers are.

00:51:06.740 And I tell them that I want to meet, you know, that I want Hefner to help me.

00:51:10.580 And they said, you're out of your mind, which I was used to hearing.

00:51:13.860 I said, I think you better ask him.

00:51:16.000 And if you don't ask him, I'm going to know.

00:51:17.860 But I didn't tell him how I had the information.

00:51:19.640 And so I went home.

00:51:23.160 And they called me back the next day.

00:51:25.740 And the room was lined with attorneys.

00:51:27.920 And it was like a big, you know, burgundy room, rosewood, and conference tables.

00:51:33.220 And I'm standing there.

00:51:34.240 And they said, you're looking at me like I'm from outer space.

00:51:37.680 And they go, Hefner's going to help you.

00:51:39.340 I said, yes, I know he is.

00:51:41.500 So he doesn't know how yet.

00:51:43.540 It's okay.

00:51:44.280 And he was setting up gambling casinos at that time.

00:51:46.620 So there was a problem with licenses and the city of fathers and then prostitution.

00:51:50.820 But he gave me a grant from the Playboy Foundation.

00:51:53.140 It wasn't very much.

00:51:54.140 And he introduced me to his daughter.

00:51:56.160 And he wanted me to work with his daughter.

00:51:58.520 But it was not really the kind of thing Christy wanted to do.

00:52:01.740 And which was okay.

00:52:03.400 I mean, I'm used to people saying no.

00:52:06.000 And I just kept, and we just started doing publicity.

00:52:10.460 And then, of all people, the publicist for Elizabeth Taylor, who calls me and says,

00:52:18.200 oh, the same girl from Playboy says, AIP is talking about you.

00:52:23.720 They're all talking about you.

00:52:24.960 They want to do something with you.

00:52:26.000 You've got to go see them.

00:52:26.840 What's AIP?

00:52:28.280 American International Pictures.

00:52:29.960 Okay.

00:52:30.680 And I go over there to meet with them, Beverly Hills.

00:52:33.960 And the publicist for Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton is there.

00:52:38.340 And they've got a film called Madam Kitty.

00:52:42.740 And it's about a Nazi brothel and how it was used in order to get intelligence information

00:52:48.660 from soldiers.

00:52:50.260 And she's fine with me.

00:52:52.880 So they said, I said, okay, we'll do the premiere.

00:52:56.020 And she says, nobody can put together a premiere in eight days.

00:52:59.380 I said, I can.

00:53:00.020 And so I said, I'm going to need some things.

00:53:03.520 And they said, what?

00:53:04.100 I said, I can provide hookers right off Sunset Boulevard.

00:53:07.140 And the town went crazy.

00:53:09.920 They provided clothing, hairdressers in Beverly Hills.

00:53:13.480 Someone donated Oslots, because the name of the organization at the time was CAT, California's

00:53:19.360 Advocacy for Trollops, because my work was all about suing police.

00:53:22.620 And meanwhile, these kids are like creeping in, starting to take over my life.

00:53:29.040 And we did this event with Klieg lights and the whole thing and limousines.

00:53:35.180 And I asked him for the house, and he said, no.

00:53:39.540 Not him, but his people said, no.

00:53:42.040 And he was supposed to go to the Carter inauguration.

00:53:44.320 And so I went and got the guy who got all the girls from UCLA to go to the Playboy Mansion

00:53:50.980 to dress the house for the big parties.

00:53:53.900 And he was a house sitter or something.

00:53:55.800 And so I said, I need a house.

00:53:57.240 And he said, you can use mine.

00:53:58.700 So now I'm in Hefner's backyard.

00:54:01.220 And they said, he's coming.

00:54:03.840 And so the funny thing was, is that when he came in, and Valerie did an incredible job

00:54:08.520 of getting Faye Dunaway and other stars, early gold and stuff, is that when Hefner came

00:54:13.920 in, the girls who were handing out all of the information on Kat were all girls that hung

00:54:20.120 out at the Playboy Mansion.

00:54:21.300 We were all the same age.

00:54:22.420 We all got our nails done together.

00:54:23.920 We lunched together.

00:54:25.560 You know, so he goes, if I would have known you were going to handle it this way, he says,

00:54:29.300 I would have done it at my house.

00:54:31.060 I'd get my daughter to do it for the house.

00:54:32.640 I says, well, I'm going to do one every year, so I need it next year.

00:54:35.380 And from then on out, we did fundraisers at the Playboy Mansion.

00:54:38.200 He picked up the tab for many years.

00:54:40.540 Wow.

00:54:40.640 I mean, it's astounding.

00:54:45.600 And it was privately supported, too.

00:54:49.060 Never government money.

00:54:50.600 Right.

00:54:51.040 That's true.

00:54:51.700 And the government, I mean, the problem with the government money for me is that, like you,

00:54:56.520 I tell people what I think.

00:54:58.640 And so they would have always been threatening me with pulling my grants.

00:55:01.720 Well, isn't your program for, you know, I guess it's a rehabilitation program, isn't it?

00:55:10.260 It's also a saving.

00:55:12.380 Well, it's a home.

00:55:15.280 It's a shelter.

00:55:16.060 It's not just a building.

00:55:17.820 It's a home.

00:55:18.400 I mean, and I still have kids that I've helped, you know, who have tragedies in their life

00:55:23.180 today, who are older, who have their own kids.

00:55:25.180 And I still help them.

00:55:26.680 So it's an organization of people.

00:55:31.500 And talk about your board.

00:55:36.640 I want you to talk about the organization, because it's just so brilliant how you built

00:55:41.120 it, all without the government having any control, all without CPS, all without any corruption.

00:55:49.460 Yeah.

00:55:49.700 No, I don't deal with anybody.

00:55:52.300 I mean, any of those people.

00:55:54.500 But I have all the kids, because kids are not going to stay in their homes and follow

00:55:58.400 their rules.

00:55:59.560 So my chairman of the board is Michelle Martin.

00:56:02.920 And Michelle is a young lady that, there was a situation called Hotel Hell, where we found

00:56:09.780 hundreds of kids living in condemned buildings in Hollywood.

00:56:13.400 And my outreach team at night, the street team went in, they found them, they pulled them

00:56:17.060 out, they said, we'll get you medical services.

00:56:19.620 And it was an eyesore.

00:56:21.340 And it was a big problem, because the police department knew about it.

00:56:24.860 The kids were living.

00:56:25.680 There was staph infection.

00:56:27.640 It was, there was torture.

00:56:29.520 There was everything going on, you can imagine.

00:56:31.880 And all the kids ended up on my doorstep.

00:56:34.220 All the press were there.

00:56:36.380 And the commander called me and said to me, you know, you can't just do this.

00:56:42.640 And I said, what am I going to do with these kids?

00:56:44.540 I'm not going to leave them there.

00:56:45.620 You need to help me.

00:56:46.440 So city council called me and said, you are not to speak to the press without our permission.

00:56:54.100 Wow.

00:56:54.400 Because that won't work for you.

00:56:55.620 I have nothing to do with you.

00:56:57.500 I'm going to do what I want to do.

00:56:59.480 So then they called the police.

00:57:02.100 And they told the police to stop me.

00:57:03.500 And the police said, we're with her.

00:57:05.820 And so they went and got the dental society to give all these kids toothbrushes and toothpaste.

00:57:11.260 And they tried to get clothes and all kinds of stuff and worked side by side with me.

00:57:15.660 And then we got them all into the free clinic.

00:57:17.500 And we got Children's Hospital involved.

00:57:19.520 And the Assistance League, you know, the little ladies group in Hollywood.

00:57:23.480 They had the Red Cross come in and bring in cots.

00:57:26.520 And they allowed us, their staff stayed up with the kids to supervise them so they could

00:57:30.660 sleep there for a couple of nights.

00:57:32.700 And then church organizations took them.

00:57:34.660 And then one church guy was in showers with them.

00:57:37.320 And I had to hold them out of there.

00:57:38.580 That's what I worry about.

00:57:39.840 It's, you know, the people you run into.

00:57:42.920 Because when you go in to help evil, you're going to pull out evil with it.

00:57:47.940 Yeah.

00:57:48.980 Right?

00:57:49.740 Mm-hmm.

00:57:50.660 How old were those kids?

00:57:52.420 Oh, 11 to 17.

00:57:53.860 11-year-olds who were pregnant that were by parolees who were, you know, they were older.

00:58:00.500 But anyway, Michelle, I want to tell you about Michelle.

00:58:03.000 She was there.

00:58:04.460 She had been a prostitute.

00:58:07.020 And she, the police commander who I was close to, called me up and said, you know, one of

00:58:12.100 your caseworkers has got a warrant out for her arrest.

00:58:16.480 I said, really?

00:58:17.100 Who's that?

00:58:18.060 And he says, Michelle Martin.

00:58:19.200 I said, she's not a caseworker.

00:58:20.260 She's a 15-year-old kid who's just full of herself, is giving an interview and telling

00:58:24.920 the press what's going on.

00:58:26.660 And he says, well, she's got a warrant out.

00:58:29.020 And I said, well, let me take her to court tomorrow.

00:58:31.640 He said, you'll take her?

00:58:32.620 I said, of course I'll take her.

00:58:33.760 I'm not hiding criminals.

00:58:34.980 Let me go take her and clear it up.

00:58:36.620 And so I went into court.

00:58:37.820 And they said, well, will you take her?

00:58:39.160 And I says, what do you mean take her?

00:58:42.120 Well, can she go home with you?

00:58:43.140 And I said, well, I guess.

00:58:45.240 No paperwork.

00:58:45.940 I never had to sign anything.

00:58:47.620 It's absolutely amazing.

00:58:49.280 And so she came home with me and lived with me for quite a while.

00:58:52.180 And then she worked in the office and she went to the continuation school.

00:58:57.960 And then she later, I put her in a foster home.

00:59:00.440 And then she later ran away from a really good foster home because the woman was just

00:59:04.580 boring and she ended up back on the streets.

00:59:11.240 And she called me one day and she said, you know, I was sleeping in this building and this

00:59:14.960 guy, you know, I woke up, he was on top of me.

00:59:18.540 And I said, Michelle, that's what happens when you're doing drugs and sleeping on the streets.

00:59:22.620 I'm a realist.

00:59:24.480 You know, you can come in, you've got other alternatives, you know that.

00:59:27.800 You know, so she's, we've been very, very close.

00:59:30.040 She now has three kids.

00:59:31.380 She came back in.

00:59:32.760 Yeah.

00:59:32.960 And this was, I didn't even have a home.

00:59:34.660 She came back to my house and then she started doing the shelter things.

00:59:37.460 And she went back and forth.

00:59:38.660 She can get off the streets real quick.

00:59:41.760 But so now she's chairman of the board because I think it's appropriate to have someone who's,

00:59:47.660 you know, been through the program.

00:59:49.320 And she works for Phillips 66 and they just honored her.

00:59:53.100 And she did a, she did a 60 minutes interview with me because 60 minutes came along.

00:59:59.920 And, and this is another story.

01:00:01.800 I go to New York and this toy company and they want me, they're going to support, you know,

01:00:06.360 child abuse organizations.

01:00:07.520 And they put me on TV to promote their toy products.

01:00:10.040 And they said, wow, I didn't know you were such a good talker.

01:00:12.980 Then we go to dinner and I said, so what do we do now?

01:00:15.260 And they said, well, we can't really support you.

01:00:16.940 It'll look like we're supporting child abuse.

01:00:18.620 How do you figure, you know?

01:00:22.640 So there was a meeting with some of the other agencies the next morning.

01:00:27.080 This guy said, I want you to come breakfast with me.

01:00:29.120 And I'm sitting there having breakfast.

01:00:30.640 And this woman leans across the table and she says to me, my name is Mimi Edmonds and I'm with 60 Minutes.

01:00:36.020 I'm going to do a story on you.

01:00:37.540 And I was pregnant.

01:00:38.260 And so I did the story.

01:00:42.420 And, and we even included Hugh Hefner and Ronald Reagan.

01:00:44.660 And it just showed how, you know, I just covered the whole map in order to, and then I was about ready to open a home.

01:00:50.400 I was raising the money.

01:00:51.360 I raised $7 million off that appearance.

01:00:53.740 Wow.

01:00:54.640 And it ended with Michelle, with Ed Bradley saying, you can't guarantee you won't go back to the street.

01:00:59.320 She says, you can't guarantee anything in life.

01:01:01.880 She says, nope, you can't guarantee it.

01:01:03.440 And he said he got more hate mail ever in his career for doing that to that little girl.

01:01:10.400 And Don, the man who started 60 Minutes.

01:01:13.820 Don.

01:01:14.340 Yeah, I know.

01:01:14.900 Yeah.

01:01:15.820 He's a very famous storyteller.

01:01:17.940 And the producer said she took him all to film.

01:01:20.300 She was nervous she didn't have enough kids because I was protective of filming the kids.

01:01:25.020 And, and he said, I'm going to listen to those kids.

01:01:28.340 Give me her.

01:01:29.280 I want to see her.

01:01:29.940 Give me more of her.

01:01:31.160 And he really wanted to tell my story.

01:01:33.200 And he did.

01:01:34.540 And built the home.

01:01:36.600 And you saved 12,000 kids, you said?

01:01:38.880 Well, now.

01:01:39.700 By now.

01:01:40.280 Yeah.

01:01:41.280 And it's still up.

01:01:41.740 I mean, it's even more than that because I'm still helping 500 a year.

01:01:44.480 I don't, I mean, I know what the numbers are.

01:01:46.940 I could go back.

01:01:47.460 Yeah.

01:01:47.960 But it's a lot.

01:01:50.060 Yeah.

01:01:50.660 You said last night when we were talking that, I said, do you ever give yourself the space

01:01:56.100 to, like, absorb that you saved 12,000 lives?

01:01:59.540 And you said, no, I always feel bad for the ones I lost.

01:02:03.540 Yeah.

01:02:04.360 And those are the ones I tend to remember the most.

01:02:08.460 I mean, I know all of them.

01:02:09.680 It's, and it's funny because we do this Christmas thing, Christmas party still.

01:02:14.040 Not really a party, but gifts.

01:02:15.980 And my staff goes, nobody's calling.

01:02:18.880 Nobody's calling.

01:02:20.140 And so I go in the office the next day and they go, what did you do?

01:02:22.680 And I said, I put Santa Claus on my Facebook page.

01:02:25.620 And I said, hey kids, where are you?

01:02:27.340 It's Christmas.

01:02:27.880 And the phone's ringing off the hook.

01:02:31.640 Because all of my kids pretty much now have, they have pretty good lives.

01:02:35.640 Many of them.

01:02:36.620 And they've got kids.

01:02:38.040 And they've got kids that are all the IEP.

01:02:40.440 I have an IEP specialist that will go in and make sure that the school district gives

01:02:44.880 them the services they want, they need.

01:02:48.080 And what's IEP?

01:02:50.180 Individual education plan.

01:02:51.900 If a child has special needs, you can force the school to give them certain tests.

01:02:59.600 And depending, and if you have an expert to interpret those tests, you can force the school

01:03:03.480 and you can recommend what kind of placement, even residential care.

01:03:06.900 Oh, okay.

01:03:07.600 So school districts don't like doing it.

01:03:10.040 So they delay it and delay it and delay it.

01:03:12.140 But we haven't the top IEP expert.

01:03:16.500 Can I ask you a question?

01:03:19.000 You told me something fascinating when you and I had lunch.

01:03:22.300 Which I didn't know how to take it first.

01:03:24.060 Because, you know, I don't know if you know this, but in our political sphere, I mean,

01:03:28.940 child trafficking is like the number one issue.

01:03:30.780 And we talk about it all the time.

01:03:32.460 And, you know, it's pervasive and deep.

01:03:35.020 And we think there's like an elite pedophile ring.

01:03:37.740 And you said to me, the numbers aren't that bad.

01:03:39.960 There's really just like 100,000 or something you said to me.

01:03:42.640 Child prostitutes.

01:03:43.640 Yeah.

01:03:44.100 Is there a difference?

01:03:44.820 Well, one question.

01:03:45.640 Is there a difference between child prostitutes and child trafficking victims?

01:03:48.780 Yes.

01:03:49.160 Okay.

01:03:49.640 Yes.

01:03:49.880 What is it?

01:03:50.660 Well, the difference is the Department of Justice, it's a fundraising difference, really.

01:03:55.520 For the Department of Justice to get money from Congress, had to justify.

01:04:00.480 They went in originally with child prostitution, but they didn't have enough child prostitutes.

01:04:05.440 And they really kind of had to go through me to get to them.

01:04:07.720 Yeah.

01:04:07.920 Because those were the good cases.

01:04:09.600 These pimps are not running, you know, the girl next door necessarily.

01:04:12.980 Right.

01:04:13.140 So when they got into it and thought what they wanted to do, they had to expand the definition.

01:04:20.200 So child sex trafficking could be any girl that was molested.

01:04:23.560 She doesn't have to be a prostitute.

01:04:25.140 Any girl who was raped as a minor.

01:04:30.700 Any teenager, any teenage pregnant girl.

01:04:33.440 So they created another term called, let's see, CSEC, commercially sexually exploited children.

01:04:42.560 So that encompasses hundreds of thousands of children.

01:04:46.180 Yeah.

01:04:46.300 And that's where they get their numbers.

01:04:47.360 But now, I'm a researcher and I can't get away from that habit.

01:04:51.140 But so you look it up and you see that they only arrested 2,000 people for prostitution in a year.

01:04:58.480 Then they only, the only 1,000 of those cases were prosecutable.

01:05:03.320 Okay.

01:05:03.920 So.

01:05:04.300 So, I mean, so, and most of them are sex workers.

01:05:07.920 They're not kids.

01:05:08.740 Okay.

01:05:09.240 So, and some of them are customers.

01:05:11.120 So my second question, and I'll back off.

01:05:13.060 Does that mean the issue is not as prevalent or they're just not really taking care of the body?

01:05:17.160 They're not taken care of.

01:05:18.220 So don't.

01:05:18.560 And there could be more that we don't even know about.

01:05:21.160 You know, I'm dealing, I'm dealing with the lowest of the low.

01:05:24.560 Children that are abducted, you know, I mean, I have helped women or women have come to me who are adult women.

01:05:31.100 They've come from some of the wealthiest families in this country who were molested and raped and tossed aside.

01:05:37.720 And not having access to not being named in the will because they want to pretend that they don't exist.

01:05:43.020 And they want to leave all their money to children.

01:05:46.040 And it's really sad.

01:05:47.500 Because when you're abused that much, mental illness goes with it.

01:05:51.620 Yeah.

01:05:51.740 So it's an issue of credibility when you're trying to fight these, you know, cases and to find a lawyer to take that on with no cash up front.

01:05:58.660 It's very, very difficult.

01:06:00.120 Epstein Island and that whole thing.

01:06:02.180 Did you ever come across any of that?

01:06:04.140 Oh, yeah.

01:06:04.540 Yeah, I know so many of the victims and EpsteinJusticeOrgan.org, Nick Bryant's organization, I'm involved in that.

01:06:12.620 It's all about the victims and about demanding that the names of the customers that he must revealed.

01:06:17.560 I think he wrote the Franklin Papers, which is about boys and previous presidential candidates.

01:06:24.100 And I was contacted in the 80s to be the expert witness because a lawyer was going to civilly sue Epstein.

01:06:35.260 In the 80s?

01:06:36.320 In the 80s.

01:06:37.260 And the Department of Justice went after him to try and take his law license.

01:06:41.660 And friends of mine who were other lawyers and advocates that I'd worked together, they said, you've got to have Lois.

01:06:47.720 So I said, I'm available.

01:06:49.440 So the police chief was so furious that the Department of Justice wouldn't do anything because, you know, presidential names are on that list.

01:06:59.960 All of them, probably.

01:07:01.200 I don't know how many.

01:07:02.180 I mean, but a lot of names are on that list.

01:07:06.300 I mean, some of the wealthiest people in the country or in the world even.

01:07:10.020 Right.

01:07:10.820 And there is an elite trafficking ring.

01:07:14.980 Oh, no question.

01:07:16.160 No question.

01:07:17.960 And so what happened was the chief of police, I think in Fort Lauderdale, was so furious that he prosecuted him, a federal crime, but prosecuted it in state court under the state laws.

01:07:28.720 And Epstein got prison for, I think, 18 months.

01:07:31.820 Yeah.

01:07:32.240 And then, but he got work furlough.

01:07:34.080 So his limo picked him up every morning, took him to his office.

01:07:36.920 He went up to the penthouse where he probably had all his toys.

01:07:40.140 And then he went back at night, which was probably all dressed up, as we know you can do if you have money and you're in prison.

01:07:47.720 And it went on and on.

01:07:51.000 And then he also went to deposition Prince Andrew.

01:07:55.280 The Queen had moved him out of the country when he got there.

01:07:58.700 Just lots and lots of cover up.

01:08:00.400 He said the only person that helped him was when he called President Trump at the White House.

01:08:07.100 And he picked up the phone.

01:08:09.360 Yeah.

01:08:09.460 And he said, what do you need?

01:08:10.480 I'll tell you everything.

01:08:11.140 And that's why, I think that's why they don't like him.

01:08:14.740 Well, one of the reasons, you know, he's like the whistleblower.

01:08:19.020 Yeah.

01:08:20.020 Yeah.

01:08:20.440 It puts us all to shame.

01:08:21.780 Yeah.

01:08:22.560 Wow.

01:08:23.180 Yeah.

01:08:23.680 Yeah.

01:08:23.960 That's, anyway, thank you for answering that.

01:08:26.260 That's.

01:08:26.560 Yeah.

01:08:27.020 Because when you said that to me at lunch, I was like, am I crazy?

01:08:29.200 When banks use the term fidelity and trust, which is a bullshit screen for them stealing

01:08:35.180 everybody's money.

01:08:36.420 So when they say they're working on child trafficking, that's a bullshit screen to not

01:08:41.880 do anything about child prostitution.

01:08:44.980 Which is exactly what's happening in California right now, right?

01:08:48.360 Right.

01:08:48.640 Because that.

01:08:49.560 Well, it's all over the United States.

01:08:51.840 But especially in California.

01:08:53.440 California, because you said there's 11-year-old girls in high heels naked on Figueroa Street

01:09:00.240 in the daytime.

01:09:01.640 And they had one, and they have nine-year-olds too.

01:09:03.920 There was one nine-year-old they found.

01:09:06.160 In the daytime.

01:09:07.680 Yes.

01:09:08.620 Performing sex acts.

01:09:10.120 Yes.

01:09:10.500 At 2 p.m. where, you know, families are driving by.

01:09:14.560 Right.

01:09:14.820 In the streets.

01:09:15.740 No families.

01:09:16.580 Everything shuts down on that street.

01:09:18.280 I mean, because there's schools and there's community centers and the fences are high and

01:09:21.980 the lights are out.

01:09:23.440 And they've got, you know, rails on their windows.

01:09:25.900 They're scared.

01:09:26.780 But men just come through one right after the other to have sex with them.

01:09:32.180 And the state government knows about this?

01:09:34.340 Oh, the police are out there.

01:09:35.680 The police are out there.

01:09:36.900 But California law just decriminalized prostitution.

01:09:40.560 Yes.

01:09:40.900 And now they not only won't arrest child prostitutes, but they won't do nothing to help them either.

01:09:47.600 Yes, they do.

01:09:48.260 So they pick them up and they turn them over to DCFSS or DCDSS, whatever you want, Department

01:09:53.320 of Children's Services.

01:09:54.480 Which also prostitutes.

01:09:56.280 Well, it happens a lot.

01:09:58.320 That was my next question.

01:09:59.480 It happens a lot.

01:10:00.220 Are those agencies involved?

01:10:01.140 So it's like, no, the police involved?

01:10:03.100 No, the child services and CPS.

01:10:05.960 We've heard, we've had other whistleblowers on the street like that.

01:10:08.100 Well, I mean, certainly we've had kids who've been abused, you know, by those people.

01:10:12.140 In that system.

01:10:12.920 In that system.

01:10:13.700 Is it just people who checked?

01:10:14.320 But do you think about it?

01:10:15.340 You've got a 13-year-old girl who's naked, maybe in stilettos, and a social worker's waiting

01:10:19.820 at the police station and takes them and drops them off at a foster home.

01:10:23.120 Yeah.

01:10:23.500 Where do you think that child's going?

01:10:24.440 She's going to the bedroom.

01:10:25.720 Right.

01:10:26.140 Right?

01:10:26.780 Exactly.

01:10:28.060 And you can't dress her up in pink and blue and say, we're going to go to school tomorrow.

01:10:31.620 It just doesn't work that way.

01:10:33.000 She's out the window before any of that happens anyway, unless she grabs what she can steal.

01:10:38.100 You know, because the kids will call me when they run from the foster homes and they said

01:10:41.300 the police are chasing me.

01:10:42.280 I said, drop what you got.

01:10:44.080 Probably committing a law, violating the law.

01:10:46.820 Well, their only hope is to find their way to your organization.

01:10:51.120 Well, my hands are tied too.

01:10:52.940 I can't put them in any shelter.

01:10:54.960 You can only, the federal losses, you can only put them in foster care.

01:10:59.100 And you're supposed to give the FBI first shot so they can interview them and see if they

01:11:03.920 have a pimp, because then they're going to go on a material witness hold in juvenile

01:11:07.720 hall.

01:11:08.440 Where they stay in prison as long as they want them there, right?

01:11:10.860 Yeah.

01:11:11.080 Well, until they testify.

01:11:12.680 No crime, no criminal records.

01:11:14.200 So they're not violating any child right laws.

01:11:17.160 They say it's for their own protection.

01:11:18.860 They get meals.

01:11:19.620 But they're just in prison forever.

01:11:21.600 Yeah.

01:11:21.760 They're with general health.

01:11:22.260 Well, not forever, but for a long time.

01:11:24.700 And when I had a little 13-year-old.

01:11:26.680 Years?

01:11:27.000 Years?

01:11:27.100 I don't know if anyone has been there for years, but I know kids have been there over

01:11:30.200 a year.

01:11:31.340 And we had a 13-year-old in Fresno who tried to hang herself 15 times in 30 days.

01:11:36.740 And finally, we went to the judge.

01:11:38.460 This is stupid.

01:11:39.700 Let her go.

01:11:40.220 So they put them in juvenile hall with like...

01:11:43.140 In solitary confinement.

01:11:45.020 Okay.

01:11:45.640 They don't want anybody talking to them.

01:11:46.860 Okay.

01:11:46.960 Federal government, they don't want any counseling.

01:11:49.740 They don't want them talking to anybody about their case.

01:11:51.760 It's all theirs.

01:11:53.040 Is it ineptitude or is it criminal?

01:11:55.420 Like, is that...

01:11:56.000 I can understand the argument.

01:11:56.840 It's all about control.

01:11:58.860 No, it's control.

01:11:59.960 It makes...

01:12:00.480 They're lazy and it makes their job easy.

01:12:02.820 Right.

01:12:02.960 You know, I used to have this FBI agent and I said, you know, you're the only one, you

01:12:08.500 know, who really, you know, lets the kids stay here and you don't worry about it.

01:12:11.580 She says, I'm the FBI.

01:12:13.320 You don't think I can find a 16-year-old when I need her from court?

01:12:17.860 And besides, you know, when the kids would call and we'd know where they were and stuff,

01:12:21.640 we'd say, time to come in.

01:12:22.740 They'd come in to go to court and testify and put away a guy that threatened to kill them.

01:12:27.740 You know?

01:12:28.260 So, but that was too informal, too much for them.

01:12:32.140 They, and the stuff they do, there's been, there's been district attorneys who've lost

01:12:36.500 their law license, who've been threatened with jail for faking evidence and stuff.

01:12:41.420 They're trumping up these cases.

01:12:41.960 You're talking about Kamala Harris.

01:12:42.920 They don't do it.

01:12:43.780 I don't know anything about her.

01:12:45.280 I'm just kidding.

01:12:45.520 And, uh...

01:12:46.280 She did stuff like that when she was DA of California, but it's another podcast.

01:12:49.580 I don't know anything about her.

01:12:51.040 She hid, uh, evidence, uh, that would have got somebody out because she wanted to keep

01:12:55.140 them in prison.

01:12:55.920 That's true.

01:12:56.520 Tulsi called it out, but another episode.

01:12:58.380 Sorry.

01:12:59.640 I'd love to hear that story.

01:13:00.980 You will be a lot in the next few months.

01:13:03.480 It's going to come out a lot now that she's in, in the, uh, box.

01:13:08.340 Mm-hmm.

01:13:09.020 The public box.

01:13:10.500 But, uh, do you have any hope?

01:13:13.600 I have lots of hope.

01:13:15.280 I have lots of hope.

01:13:16.580 Um, because I have so many kids that are making it, you know, and, and they pick me up every

01:13:21.300 day.

01:13:21.560 How can you, well, I know you're working on setting up your legacy, so it continues after

01:13:29.960 we pass our mortal coil, because we're in our 70s.

01:13:34.340 Mm-hmm.

01:13:34.740 But, uh, I just think, how can it be replicated in every city and every town in America?

01:13:40.960 Well, you know, that's interesting, because that's what Backpage wanted to do, and they

01:13:43.920 were willing to fund it until the government decided that they were the biggest pimps in

01:13:47.540 the whole world, which was not true.

01:13:49.240 They ran a newspaper that ran free ads.

01:13:51.740 Well, it was Village Voice, right?

01:13:53.680 Huh?

01:13:54.140 Wasn't it Village Voice?

01:13:55.580 And their back page?

01:13:55.760 Well, it was, but they owned Village Voice, and when they sold it, they kept the back page,

01:13:59.500 which was just the free press.

01:14:02.160 And it became, they stumbled on it.

01:14:04.200 They didn't, weren't after it to run child sex trafficking, and they stumbled on it, and

01:14:08.800 they had all these, you know, pimps trying to advertise kids.

01:14:12.360 And they made their mistake, because they were giving all of their, um, uh, cases, and the

01:14:20.400 suspects that they thought were pimps, they were trying to use their paper.

01:14:23.860 Giving that information to the National, National Center for Missing and Exploited Kids, another

01:14:28.640 FBI organization.

01:14:30.920 And, uh, I said, don't do that.

01:14:33.080 They're going to use it against you.

01:14:34.740 And I was just a young little blonde girl, and these two older men, you know, were, were,

01:14:39.600 um, very salty businessmen.

01:14:42.080 And they said, well, who should we give it to?

01:14:43.560 And I said, you need to give it to the local police.

01:14:46.120 And so, when I told the local police, I said, this is what I got.

01:14:49.560 I said, um, because the local police were setting up, um, uh, female cops in hotel rooms

01:14:57.740 and running ads, and then waiting for men to come so they could arrest them.

01:15:02.200 It was not that much prostitution.

01:15:03.960 They dismantled that whole program, because they'd sit, they said most of it was just dirty

01:15:07.760 talking.

01:15:08.780 Yeah.

01:15:08.940 You know, so, uh, but the local police were able to do some, some really good work.

01:15:15.160 And I took them into New York, and then some politician found out I was in town, and then

01:15:19.480 the inspector general called me the next day and said, we're not meeting with Backpage

01:15:23.100 today.

01:15:23.440 I said, no, you're meeting with me, and Backpage is on my team.

01:15:28.700 I said, exactly.

01:15:29.720 You know, because you learn how to talk, what, to get people through the system.

01:15:33.080 And, um, and so we had this meeting with 12 cops, and we had this big screen, and they

01:15:38.840 got to talk to all the kids in the shelter.

01:15:41.100 And he kept asking, what is it we can say to you when we rescue you from this guy?

01:15:44.920 And we say, you know, we're going to help you.

01:15:47.040 You know, why don't you tell us?

01:15:48.280 Why don't you help us help you?

01:15:51.080 And, uh, the kids really were perplexed and didn't know what to say.

01:15:54.680 And I said to him, you're asking the wrong question.

01:15:57.500 And he says, well, what's the right question?

01:15:59.660 I says, ask her when's the first time she saw a policeman.

01:16:03.080 When's the first time I met a policeman?

01:16:05.180 They came to my house, and they took my mother to jail for methamphetamine.

01:16:09.520 They knew that was wrong.

01:16:10.880 What the mother did was wrong.

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01:18:09.600 But that was the first experience.

01:18:12.480 Police officers taking your mother away.

01:18:15.060 When's the second time you saw a policeman?

01:18:16.940 They came to my house and they took my dad away for some other kind of crime.

01:18:22.420 And what did they say to you, he asked.

01:18:24.260 And she says, he didn't say anything.

01:18:27.100 They left me with my 16-year-old brother who was raping me.

01:18:30.900 And he said, oh my God, we've got to put police officers back in the schools to teach

01:18:34.580 kids who the heroes are and who can help them.

01:18:38.220 And he got it.

01:18:40.100 And he called me up.

01:18:41.060 He said, because they had this political problem about dealing with Backpage.

01:18:45.020 I said, okay, just do this.

01:18:46.560 You need information on a guy.

01:18:48.600 You call me.

01:18:49.320 I'll call Backpage.

01:18:50.400 They'll call me.

01:18:51.120 I'll call you back.

01:18:51.900 They said, no, no, we want to do a direct.

01:18:54.180 So how that would work is they'd be sitting on a guy that they know he's got a child in

01:18:59.420 a motel room, but they don't have enough to go in.

01:19:02.900 You call it Contact Backpage.

01:19:04.860 Backpage gives them the ID, all the information you have to have to run the ad.

01:19:09.020 They run it through their computer.

01:19:10.260 Always on parole now.

01:19:11.260 They can go in.

01:19:12.380 And they said, we rescued four girls in the first group.

01:19:15.120 So we really had a program that was really starting and was really going to work, but

01:19:20.340 it kind of would have run the government, you know, out of business of child trafficking.

01:19:26.000 Child trafficking.

01:19:27.220 I hate to say it.

01:19:28.820 No, say it.

01:19:29.380 This is the right place to say it.

01:19:30.340 I mean, not that they're, I'm not saying they're child traffickers, but run them out

01:19:33.420 of the business of rescue.

01:19:34.040 Some of them are.

01:19:34.700 Of course they are.

01:19:35.540 Yeah, it's fundraising.

01:19:36.860 Yeah.

01:19:37.060 Yeah.

01:19:37.260 It's all.

01:19:37.800 Yeah.

01:19:38.120 Well, here.

01:19:38.660 Fidelity and trust.

01:19:39.300 That's where you'd go.

01:19:39.700 And do you know, I have never been invited to testify in front of Congress.

01:19:43.260 That's crazy.

01:19:43.980 Ever.

01:19:45.280 One day I was pulling my hair out as they had all these NGOs.

01:19:47.780 Well, I'm going to use everything I have to make that happen.

01:19:51.780 Okay.

01:19:52.260 I'm going to use every contact I have to make that happen, including Mothers of America,

01:19:57.640 which they didn't even know that child prostitution or trafficking was an issue.

01:20:02.400 They were thinking about school lunches.

01:20:05.160 Yeah.

01:20:05.720 I introduced them to Kathy O'Brien.

01:20:08.160 I'm going to introduce them to you.

01:20:09.440 And now, you know, child prostitution is their number one concern.

01:20:13.980 Because moms of America really need to wake up to see what's coming.

01:20:18.780 They are largely middle class.

01:20:21.840 But it's time for the middle class to know what's on their, what's on its way for their

01:20:26.120 kids like it came for the working class kids.

01:20:28.880 Well, and I've been invited to speak to the Republican Women's Club in Dallas in September.

01:20:33.980 So it's like there are agencies.

01:20:35.940 I don't know about that.

01:20:37.040 Well, I'll, I'll come and see you.

01:20:39.400 But you're, you're largely.

01:20:40.640 I'll tell them to put you on the list.

01:20:41.980 Yeah, do it.

01:20:42.460 I'll just come to watch.

01:20:43.820 I'll be drinking.

01:20:45.060 At the table and cheering.

01:20:46.740 Yeah, baby.

01:20:47.640 You're funded by a lot of Republicans too, right?

01:20:49.900 Yes, but my support is generally Republican.

01:20:52.560 Isn't that the way it goes?

01:20:54.180 Very telling.

01:20:54.780 Isn't it amazing?

01:20:55.500 Isn't it amazing?

01:20:56.640 Not a lot of Democrats.

01:20:57.140 Well, the Democrats are like Newsom over there in California.

01:21:01.040 Look what he's doing.

01:21:02.140 Yeah.

01:21:02.460 Look what he's doing to kids.

01:21:03.640 They're going to take those kids to the parents.

01:21:05.260 Look at it.

01:21:05.920 And put them in the system and traffic them.

01:21:07.380 That's what I think.

01:21:08.160 Well, and you know, then get in bed with Monsanto's chemical castration program.

01:21:15.600 I just, I have no respect for politicians.

01:21:17.940 It's just, you know, I'm really for term limits and real short ones.

01:21:22.140 Yeah, like a day.

01:21:24.740 Yeah, 24 hours.

01:21:26.440 You were telling me too about these boys that wanted, you know, talking about, when

01:21:35.800 we talk about child prostitutes, we have a thing in our mind about the girls and this,

01:21:42.700 but the boys are, it is so tragic.

01:21:47.560 It's so horrifyingly tragic about these boys that are prostituting themselves to save up enough

01:21:54.320 money to get a trans surgery.

01:21:56.940 To go to Mexico and get it, yeah.

01:21:59.440 And that they were stealing the girls' birth control pills to try to transform their bodies.

01:22:05.120 Mm-hmm.

01:22:06.340 Yeah, we turned around one day and the girls, all their birth control pills are missing.

01:22:10.400 And the boys had them, you know, to stop the hair growth and soften the skin and whatever

01:22:16.620 else it does.

01:22:18.000 And very sad.

01:22:19.880 11-year-old boys.

01:22:21.320 And then we'd call the social workers, sit down with the social workers, and the social

01:22:25.580 workers would say, well, and I had a lot of boys living with me at this point.

01:22:29.480 They said, well, we can't put them in homes because they're fire starters and there's no

01:22:33.080 programs for fire starters.

01:22:35.480 I said, what?

01:22:36.640 And I think, because at that time I smoked and my kids smoked.

01:22:39.520 Like actual fire starters?

01:22:41.020 It's not a term.

01:22:41.820 You mean like arson?

01:22:42.300 Like burning down houses.

01:22:43.120 Okay, gotcha.

01:22:43.940 Yeah.

01:22:44.540 That's how they classified them.

01:22:46.100 I didn't know there was lingo or something.

01:22:47.240 But they just named them.

01:22:48.300 You label somebody and then they're not eligible.

01:22:50.660 Now you don't have to work with them.

01:22:52.240 Mm-hmm.

01:22:53.420 So they just closed the case.

01:22:54.620 They did a lot of stuff like that to American Indian kids too.

01:22:58.980 That's where the real genocide's happening.

01:23:01.560 Native American women disappearing right and left.

01:23:05.820 They don't even investigate it.

01:23:08.680 The children stole them from their families.

01:23:11.760 In Billings, Montana, there was a cop, a real hero as far as I'm concerned.

01:23:18.480 And the pimps from Detroit were going into the Indian reservations and kidnapping the

01:23:23.380 kids and taking them to New York.

01:23:25.400 And he got death penalty on all of them.

01:23:28.360 I mean, he got the law changed and everything.

01:23:30.380 It was really amazing.

01:23:31.640 And then he calls me up and he's telling me, I say, I know, I know, I know.

01:23:35.020 I know we were on the same page.

01:23:37.220 I wanted to say.

01:23:37.820 He did that single-handedly, though.

01:23:40.480 Well, the power of one.

01:23:42.220 Mm-hmm.

01:23:42.480 It's amazing.

01:23:43.140 You're evidence of the power of one.

01:23:44.940 Mm-hmm.

01:23:45.040 I was going to say, when I came to the school, that's what I, you know, is that the word?

01:23:52.900 Well, there was, yeah, there was a school inside the shelter.

01:23:55.040 It was a private school.

01:23:55.680 The shelter, that's the word.

01:23:56.700 And I came.

01:23:58.520 And it's funny because now I recognize that had you been a government-funded thing, I could

01:24:04.540 never have done it.

01:24:05.240 Oh, you would never have been allowed.

01:24:06.440 Yeah.

01:24:06.920 But I used to bring cartons of cigarettes for the kids.

01:24:09.840 And they loved it.

01:24:12.840 And they loved me for it.

01:24:14.460 Yep.

01:24:15.400 I'd give them each a carton of cigarettes.

01:24:17.340 And then the big joke was, is it became illegal to give children cigarettes by President Clinton,

01:24:22.180 of all people.

01:24:24.240 Yeah.

01:24:24.640 And I said, I can't, you can't do it anymore.

01:24:27.640 That's a bummer.

01:24:28.420 So I couldn't have even brought the cigarettes, you know?

01:24:30.220 Those kids need to smoke.

01:24:31.280 Unless you want to go to jail.

01:24:33.040 Oh, my God.

01:24:34.120 What, what's possible?

01:24:35.840 I mean.

01:24:37.020 Because it's dangerous for them.

01:24:39.360 That's why they wouldn't do it.

01:24:40.540 It's insanity.

01:24:41.680 They just passed.

01:24:42.360 Those kids deserve to smoke.

01:24:43.800 They do, they do nothing to help.

01:24:46.420 Mm-hmm.

01:24:46.860 That's the last thing they want to do is help any of these kids.

01:24:50.080 Now, it isn't, so, I wanted you to also tell about.

01:24:55.200 When you, when you put forth a common sense solution to the, was it the cardinals or the

01:25:02.820 bishops in the Catholic Church?

01:25:04.280 Oh, well.

01:25:05.220 That's a great story, too.

01:25:07.100 I became very close.

01:25:08.720 I have very dear friends in the Vatican, women.

01:25:11.740 And one of them was the secretary for the Pontifical Council.

01:25:16.400 The Vatican, for people who don't know, is its own country.

01:25:19.520 Mm-hmm.

01:25:19.800 And so the Pope has a bishop in charge of each country.

01:25:23.040 And I had suggested that, that they set up something in all the parishes to where that

01:25:31.940 if a child's been molested and the family finds out, just like in any school, that right

01:25:36.180 then and there, it'd be to the advantage of the church to involve a third party, like

01:25:41.420 the police department.

01:25:42.440 Let them take the lawsuits.

01:25:43.480 They know how to do this and investigate it, use the DNA, because some, some priests are

01:25:49.520 falsely accused.

01:25:50.620 Mm-hmm.

01:25:50.760 And let's get to the bottom of it right now rather than let it go on for 20 or 30 years.

01:25:54.720 She loved the idea.

01:25:55.860 I said, I'm going to go tell all the bishops.

01:25:58.680 Well, then the bishops all hated me.

01:26:02.520 So I just didn't see that part of the Vatican when I went back.

01:26:06.860 But I had, there's some wonderful people there that I still work with.

01:26:09.920 And she then called me just a couple years ago and she says, they did it, they did it.

01:26:14.860 She says, they've set it up to where each child can go, the family can go to the archdiocese.

01:26:18.760 And I said, well, they could have found a more friendly place than the archdiocese because

01:26:22.760 that's sort of like the institution of the church.

01:26:25.460 Right.

01:26:26.900 Progress.

01:26:27.480 Well, it's progress.

01:26:28.840 Yeah.

01:26:29.120 It is progress.

01:26:30.940 Can you tell one quick story and then, because you told me at lunch, like you're involved with

01:26:36.500 the, not involved with, you had run-ins with the Crips.

01:26:40.560 Oh, yeah.

01:26:41.180 Because you said they were heavily involved.

01:26:43.540 Oh, yeah.

01:26:44.500 Can you just tell that one story?

01:26:46.240 Well, let's see.

01:26:47.160 I just think you're badass.

01:26:48.740 She is the most badass.

01:26:50.180 She is.

01:26:50.680 And it's like, we got to let people know.

01:26:51.940 It's not just government.

01:26:52.240 We could talk about Crane.

01:26:54.340 And one of my, the young women who worked for me, who had been on the street before,

01:27:00.840 who I'd rescued from the street, and she's very smart, very accomplished.

01:27:05.100 And she was working with a detective in the sheriff's department in the gang unit.

01:27:10.520 And the gang unit had called our offices and they wanted to know why our phone number

01:27:15.360 was on this phone.

01:27:18.140 And it turned out that we had the girl that they needed that the Crips was running.

01:27:22.860 But we lost the girl.

01:27:24.100 She was back on the streets.

01:27:25.380 And we said, yeah, we got it.

01:27:26.480 We got her.

01:27:27.100 We can find her.

01:27:28.420 Come to find out, he's all tatted up.

01:27:30.820 He tattooed his name on the face of 51 girls.

01:27:33.940 So she went to Juvenile Hall and we always went to Juvenile Hall and spoke to the kids

01:27:39.480 in a group.

01:27:40.380 But this time she was just looking for faces that had the tattoo.

01:27:45.320 She found 13 kids.

01:27:47.440 So she worked to get them out and get them relocated through just informal contacts through

01:27:52.720 Juvenile Hall and probation and the police who were helpful.

01:27:57.220 Then LAPD, she goes to LAPD.

01:28:00.900 She says, why didn't you do this case?

01:28:02.080 She'd had this case for two years and she's raising hell.

01:28:05.840 And she walks into some police conference and this cop is up there taking credit for

01:28:10.280 her investigation, her findings.

01:28:12.940 And she was just devastated because she was young.

01:28:15.500 It was like the first time that happened to her.

01:28:18.360 And then the sheriff's department, the gang unit, they were the ones who brought us the

01:28:21.920 case.

01:28:22.720 Now the FBI gets involved.

01:28:24.780 And it's very cute.

01:28:25.880 She comes to my office and she says, I need your help.

01:28:30.040 And I said, what?

01:28:30.640 She said, well, today LAPD is coming.

01:28:34.180 It's okay.

01:28:34.800 She said, the sheriffs are coming.

01:28:36.040 It's okay.

01:28:36.880 And the FBI?

01:28:38.400 It's okay.

01:28:39.440 So I said, we'll sit them down at the dining room table downstairs.

01:28:43.460 And so they come in and we sit down and we start talking.

01:28:46.960 And they say, where's the kids?

01:28:48.220 And she says, I relocated them and they're in safe situations.

01:28:51.900 And if you need them to testify, get them to testify.

01:28:54.220 We'll fly them in.

01:28:54.940 We'll pay for it.

01:28:55.900 You don't need to know where they are, right?

01:28:57.300 And the FBI said, no, you're going to give us the information and then you're out.

01:29:04.460 And she said, let me tell you something.

01:29:06.500 You don't have a case without these kids.

01:29:09.340 So we're not out.

01:29:10.920 We're involved.

01:29:12.380 Oh, they were so furious.

01:29:14.040 She's like 24 years old and just like me.

01:29:17.860 You know, it's like, because I raised her.

01:29:20.380 And LAPDs, you know, started to say something.

01:29:24.020 She says, look, you had this case for two years.

01:29:25.980 You did nothing.

01:29:26.640 Don't you dare even say anything in this meeting.

01:29:29.280 She says, if we do the case, we'll do it with the sheriffs.

01:29:32.100 So the agreement was, and I just kind of sat there and just smiled through the whole thing.

01:29:36.860 I was so proud of her.

01:29:38.620 And so we decided to do the case with the sheriffs.

01:29:42.280 The sheriffs kind of new to the human trafficking at that point.

01:29:45.320 So the sheriffs is in some other different county.

01:29:47.600 And the guy has gone through human trafficking school, the prosecutor.

01:29:52.340 You know, they have all this human trafficking training.

01:29:54.560 They don't know anything.

01:29:55.560 Right, of course not.

01:29:56.180 So anyway, he's going to do the case.

01:29:58.140 And so the sheriffs go down and talk to him.

01:30:00.260 They talk to the prosecutor.

01:30:01.760 And the guy agrees to wear a undercover microphone and to go out and set up all the pimps, the crip pimps in Compton,

01:30:12.680 if they give him only six years.

01:30:14.880 Because this is his third strike.

01:30:16.240 He was going to jail for life.

01:30:18.420 And they agreed.

01:30:19.020 Thanks to Biden.

01:30:20.980 And they agreed.

01:30:23.540 The prosecutor agreed to it.

01:30:25.560 Sheriffs go back to the sheriff's station to get their audio equipment and stuff.

01:30:30.000 And they go back to hook him up and do their little sting.

01:30:32.680 And they say to the DA, where is he?

01:30:35.140 She says, well, I gave him the six years.

01:30:36.720 He's in prison.

01:30:37.340 Why?

01:30:38.260 He said, well, he hasn't done anything yet.

01:30:40.280 They said, but he agreed to it.

01:30:41.480 But he hasn't done anything yet.

01:30:42.720 Do you think he's going to do something now?

01:30:44.380 He conned you.

01:30:45.560 So it's like, it's really hard to bring new people to the game, particularly if they don't want to listen to you because you're women.

01:30:52.940 And no matter how much you know, they'll never give you credit for what it is.

01:30:55.960 So it's just a bundle.

01:30:58.740 It's really been bungling to have all these new people come to the trafficking who don't know.

01:31:03.300 Because the only people who really know, in my opinion, are vice cops.

01:31:06.260 The ones who are out there in the car and those shabby cars.

01:31:09.200 They're dirty.

01:31:09.740 They're, you know, their hairs, they're unkempt.

01:31:14.440 Oh, thank you.

01:31:15.440 Unkempt.

01:31:16.320 And driving around and it's dark.

01:31:19.500 Well, the only people that know the game are people who live the game.

01:31:22.940 Well, and they live the game, too.

01:31:24.060 They're part of the game, too.

01:31:24.980 Yeah, they are.

01:31:25.740 Yeah.

01:31:26.960 Sorry, you told me the Crips know who you are.

01:31:30.140 Oh, yeah.

01:31:30.380 That's what I was getting at.

01:31:30.860 Yeah, I just think that's so, you're not scared?

01:31:33.260 No, I post stuff on their Facebook.

01:31:35.200 Yeah?

01:31:35.600 They like you?

01:31:36.320 They like her.

01:31:37.260 Why?

01:31:37.580 Well, I don't know if they like me that much.

01:31:40.480 But, I mean, the thing is, is I'm part of the game.

01:31:42.380 I mean, for Snoop Dogg to call up, you know, and say he's going to be the emcee for my 25th anniversary.

01:31:47.040 You know, and I did this interview with this black woman reporter.

01:31:51.860 And she really wanted to lay out Snoop Dogg.

01:31:54.620 And I didn't really have anything against him.

01:31:56.520 And I said, you really want to get him?

01:31:57.940 And she said, yeah.

01:31:59.420 I said, okay.

01:31:59.940 So, we're doing the interview and stuff.

01:32:01.300 And she says, and tell me about Snoop Dogg.

01:32:03.240 I said, well, he's a federal snitch.

01:32:05.080 She said, what?

01:32:06.720 I said, yeah.

01:32:07.580 I said, how else do you get your charges dropped taking a gun through an airport?

01:32:11.680 Yeah.

01:32:12.660 That's true, right?

01:32:14.320 So, that was my little tip of the tat.

01:32:16.480 Well, everybody in Hollywood is a federal snitch.

01:32:18.920 Pretty much.

01:32:19.720 Right?

01:32:20.200 That's the truth.

01:32:21.220 Everybody who, you know, this is what I found out.

01:32:26.040 All the stories in the Inquirer are given by even more guilty stars.

01:32:31.280 And they trade on, oh, here, I got something on my friend.

01:32:34.020 Here's a good story.

01:32:34.800 The inside thing is from guilty stars who turn in their friends for a story.

01:32:41.980 Because it's all about the story.

01:32:43.360 Well, we won't write about you.

01:32:44.920 This is like Bill Cosby for 30 years.

01:32:47.280 Yeah.

01:32:47.580 He turned in everybody else to keep himself out.

01:32:51.220 So did OJ.

01:32:52.080 So did, you know.

01:32:53.480 And P. Diddy's done the same thing.

01:32:54.900 Yeah, but they're all federal, you know.

01:32:56.700 And I mean, the feds confirmed that he was a snitch.

01:32:59.580 So it's not like a secret.

01:33:01.200 Yeah.

01:33:01.260 I wonder why they turned on him then.

01:33:03.520 He must have stopped snitching.

01:33:04.460 I think he was a snitch because he had very famous people in his house.

01:33:07.840 Yeah.

01:33:08.080 And so he was giving them all the information.

01:33:10.320 And they got the information they wanted.

01:33:11.960 And they said, oh, no more.

01:33:13.340 Your turn.

01:33:14.040 Jeez.

01:33:14.660 It's everybody's turn all the time.

01:33:16.520 I mean, nobody gets away forever.

01:33:17.620 Yeah, you don't really play with these people, you know.

01:33:21.300 Who do you think is a, well, I think, yeah.

01:33:25.280 It's just a, it's all the game.

01:33:28.140 It's all 100% the game.

01:33:31.280 It's all a pimp game.

01:33:32.920 Pimps up, hoes down.

01:33:34.300 Yeah.

01:33:34.660 All the way to the State Department.

01:33:37.880 And they don't ever listen to women.

01:33:40.020 I mean, women are always suspect.

01:33:43.940 Well, and they still don't get promoted in the positions of control and stuff.

01:33:50.220 I mean.

01:33:50.760 Well, unless they have a penis.

01:33:53.040 Some of them do.

01:33:54.400 Those women, they get all the rewards.

01:33:57.440 But.

01:33:59.600 And then there are those who sleep their way to the top.

01:34:02.220 Like Kamala.

01:34:03.120 Yeah.

01:34:03.260 I said she blew her way to the middle.

01:34:06.760 But, yeah, that's infuriating.

01:34:09.200 Yeah.

01:34:09.560 Isn't it?

01:34:10.160 Yeah.

01:34:11.380 But.

01:34:11.860 Oh, my God.

01:34:14.380 Do you think it's all going to crumble?

01:34:16.000 Or what?

01:34:17.580 What do you.

01:34:18.000 I don't know.

01:34:18.420 I don't know.

01:34:19.020 I'm scared.

01:34:19.640 It's the oldest business in the world.

01:34:20.600 Are you scared?

01:34:20.680 I'm scared that the whole society is collapsing.

01:34:22.780 Yeah, it is.

01:34:23.300 Well, it is.

01:34:23.920 That the crime is outrageous.

01:34:26.200 And.

01:34:27.140 We didn't have enough crime against children in this country.

01:34:30.140 Now they have to import.

01:34:31.640 Right.

01:34:32.140 Violent pedophiles.

01:34:33.280 Right.

01:34:33.540 And sadistic murderers.

01:34:34.440 Yeah, I'm really scared.

01:34:35.380 I don't like that.

01:34:36.380 I don't like the fact that single moms, got three kids, go without meals so they can feed

01:34:42.520 their kids.

01:34:43.040 They have to go to three grocery stores so they can afford their groceries.

01:34:46.480 One of the most heartbreaking things in my work was when the pandemic hit for girls who

01:34:51.440 were, had jobs and they were doing well and they had kids and they're divorced.

01:34:56.580 They were on their own, basically.

01:34:57.660 And they called me and they said, I'm just thinking about going back into prostitution

01:35:01.300 just a little bit so I can get through this till we get through this.

01:35:05.720 And I said, what do you need?

01:35:07.160 She said, I can't pay my rent.

01:35:08.200 How much is it?

01:35:09.340 I sent up a rent.

01:35:10.000 I sent up a rent program because to get someone, to keep someone out, it's a lot cheaper

01:35:14.680 than to get someone out.

01:35:16.240 And, but to, you know, and of course, you know, once you've done that, it's always back

01:35:20.100 there as an option and when you're desperate, but, you know, it also speaks to children

01:35:24.940 in the night and the kind of relationship with my kids that they call me and talk about

01:35:28.660 those things, you know, because who else are you going to call?

01:35:31.920 Are you going to call your social worker and say, I'm thinking about doing this?

01:35:36.120 That's so sad.

01:35:38.200 Another thing that was really touching to me was to hear you talk about the first time

01:35:43.100 they realized they have a safe bed in a safe house.

01:35:46.540 Yeah.

01:35:47.280 Many stories about them coming into the shelter and it was so immaculate and well-organized

01:35:53.600 and so many, you know, resources.

01:35:55.260 They were taken to the clothes closet, given new tennis shoes because Nike was our biggest

01:35:59.700 donor and jeans from the design, you know, center and, um, and, uh, given something to

01:36:06.500 eat and said, this is the time of meals.

01:36:08.540 This is where you'll go to school.

01:36:09.980 And they'd go in there and they'd say, these people are going to ship me off, you know,

01:36:13.400 in the next 24 hours.

01:36:14.920 And then they'd finally get comfortable and they said they'd be taking their shower and

01:36:18.320 just sobbing.

01:36:19.260 Oh God, thank you.

01:36:20.560 Thank you, God.

01:36:23.600 And then I wanted you to talk about too, how you gained their trust when you were talking

01:36:32.540 about, uh, how you'd call bullshit and people had to leave if they violated your trust and

01:36:39.440 the kids would see that you were not bullshit.

01:36:42.700 Oh, they came to me because of a staff person or something?

01:36:45.440 Yeah.

01:36:45.540 I'm, I'm very well known among the department of children's services as a running new child

01:36:50.160 centered program.

01:36:51.080 What my kids said went.

01:36:53.260 And, uh, I would, you know, it's, what do they say?

01:36:55.800 Ask and verify.

01:36:57.800 So, um, you know, they'd come and they'd tell me stuff and, and then I'd say, okay, I got

01:37:03.640 it.

01:37:04.640 And they said, well, you know, no, I said, don't, I got it.

01:37:06.860 I got it.

01:37:07.380 And I was very good at handling it and they had tremendous respect for me because of that.

01:37:12.180 I had two girls come to me one time and said, uh, they were scared.

01:37:14.860 And I said, why?

01:37:15.460 And they said, well, we're going to the movies tomorrow.

01:37:17.240 And this other girl came in with a cell phone.

01:37:19.280 She called a pimp and they're going to come and they're going to grab two of us.

01:37:22.720 And she picked us out.

01:37:24.520 So no, she's not.

01:37:26.020 And I said, I got it.

01:37:27.320 And they said, we don't want to know.

01:37:28.400 I said, I got it.

01:37:29.040 Just trust me.

01:37:29.760 And, uh, the next morning when everybody was ready, I told a couple of staff people

01:37:34.840 that were, that were taking the kids out.

01:37:36.920 And the next morning when it was time, they had breakfast, everything was usual.

01:37:40.280 It was time to go.

01:37:41.200 They were all dressed.

01:37:42.760 I said, you have to have tennis shoes for the movie theater because lots of germs and

01:37:47.420 good lies.

01:37:48.720 And, uh, and then they came out and they were ready to go.

01:37:52.140 And I said, guess what?

01:37:53.160 And they said, what?

01:37:53.640 I said, you're going to Disneyland.

01:37:55.580 And we put them in a van, took them to Disneyland, safest place in the whole world.

01:37:59.100 Um, and, um, and they go to Disneyland and the one girl who was going to meet her pimp

01:38:04.800 went out the door and they just, you know, it was brilliant.

01:38:08.880 It was, and it was just easy.

01:38:10.840 I just, I had a knack for it and knew how to do it, knew when to do it.

01:38:15.260 And, uh, and they knew they could trust me.

01:38:17.700 Do you want to talk about that John Walsh thing?

01:38:20.440 I don't want to talk about that.

01:38:22.740 His daughter, um, Megan, I don't know if you've run into her.

01:38:26.120 We're probably going to have her on someday, but between you and I,

01:38:28.860 I'm not sure how to verify everything.

01:38:32.000 Do you, do you know about John?

01:38:33.740 She doesn't know about that, but she does know that, uh, he brought his.

01:38:37.920 Well, he wasn't physically there, but it was his show.

01:38:40.460 He wasn't there, but his show.

01:38:41.720 And I did, Tracy went after him.

01:38:44.620 His Tracy in the, I had a bunch of friends who were doing a show.

01:38:47.540 And every time they're doing the show, he's going, what are you going to do about that

01:38:50.040 little girl?

01:38:51.260 And, um, they were doing a show for LAPD.

01:38:54.280 And, uh, my kids were teenage girls.

01:38:57.060 They were, they're in gated property, but they're on the deck and they're waving to the

01:39:00.620 actors.

01:39:01.220 It's exciting for them.

01:39:02.920 And hanging out their windows.

01:39:04.640 One of our girls takes a, um, her sheets and ties them together and goes down and gets

01:39:09.740 in the car with the guy.

01:39:10.580 And another guy, an actor, an actor, and another girl, another guy comes in and has sex with

01:39:16.860 one of our girls.

01:39:17.880 Oh my God.

01:39:19.180 And I ended up calling and my street team is coming.

01:39:22.520 It's two o'clock in the morning.

01:39:23.460 It's coming back from the streets and they saw them.

01:39:26.280 They said, Oh, you guys are in so much trouble.

01:39:29.220 So they came in, they called the police.

01:39:31.260 The police came out.

01:39:32.880 Um, the guys ran, they issued the warrants.

01:39:36.120 It got all twisted, but the one police officer who had taken the dress to the sex crimes place

01:39:42.820 or stuff, he got in a lot of trouble because it was the powers to be.

01:39:47.680 And, uh, they didn't want to prosecute it because they were prostitutes.

01:39:51.960 And, um, they said they were willing participants.

01:39:56.600 And, uh.

01:39:56.940 Weren't they underage?

01:39:58.280 Yeah, they were underage.

01:39:59.900 And, um, so we ended up, I made a file it anyway.

01:40:03.640 And a friend of mine who runs political campaigns called the DA and said,

01:40:07.180 You don't know who you're messing with.

01:40:08.660 You do this.

01:40:09.680 You make sure this is filed.

01:40:11.600 Um, you lose your job.

01:40:13.620 So, um, we went down to the DA's office for the court date.

01:40:18.320 And the DA's assistant district attorney separated her from me and said,

01:40:22.600 Um, you know, you don't have to do everything Lois tells you.

01:40:26.440 You don't have to testify.

01:40:28.540 She says, No, I want to.

01:40:30.240 And she got up and she testified.

01:40:31.920 And the judge gave them, I think, a $1,000 fine and some community service.

01:40:37.000 Sickly.

01:40:39.000 And for child rape.

01:40:40.440 We talked about it.

01:40:41.780 And I called John Walsh and told him.

01:40:45.680 And so did, um, Tracy when she went and did a show.

01:40:48.160 And I had called him and I had said, You know, I wrote him a letter or something.

01:40:51.480 He said, Least you could do is put together a scholarship to this little girl.

01:40:54.880 You know, it's not an admission of guilt or anything.

01:40:58.980 Help.

01:41:00.660 But I see, every once in a while I'll see him at a law enforcement conference and he walks

01:41:04.040 by me and he's like, This, he can't look at me.

01:41:06.500 What happened when you called him?

01:41:08.280 Because there were actors he had hired or?

01:41:10.220 Mm-hmm.

01:41:11.240 I said, This is going to be a blemish on your reputation because they're your actors and

01:41:16.340 you should, you know, bear some responsibility and do something about it.

01:41:21.460 Give, you know, I said you could contribute or something.

01:41:26.620 And you never heard another thing.

01:41:29.440 But that's how it is in Hollywood.

01:41:31.400 It's not just him.

01:41:32.260 It's like, you know, we have to protect.

01:41:35.800 It's like the operation.

01:41:37.820 We're in mass formation.

01:41:41.100 We have to protect the operation.

01:41:42.940 Well, there's talk about him being involved in trafficking.

01:41:45.820 Well, I mean, you know, that's the CPS and the missing children thing.

01:41:51.780 I mean, they all are blemished.

01:41:53.880 They all have, you know, because where do pedophiles go?

01:41:57.200 They go where there's kids.

01:41:58.880 Right.

01:41:59.960 That's right.

01:42:00.280 And it's.

01:42:02.480 And what a great cover.

01:42:04.040 Yeah.

01:42:04.820 Well, that, you know, that saying, The safest place for the devil to hide is in church.

01:42:09.160 Yeah.

01:42:09.360 That, I mean, really, and then they have the authority of that behind them when they molest.

01:42:16.220 But, I mean, something about the, just the out of control pandemic of this molesting and

01:42:25.620 destroying children in America, incest, you know, just the whole pedophile thing is so

01:42:33.960 out of control and yet it's invisible at the same time.

01:42:37.720 It's, that is proof of mass formation mind control.

01:42:43.100 The other part of it is, is there's such a stigma.

01:42:45.860 And how the perpetrators are not punished anymore, especially in California.

01:42:51.660 They are, they're given like a month.

01:42:55.000 Not even a month.

01:42:56.640 Yeah.

01:42:57.180 You know, I mean, you know, with our DA in Los Angeles, that just has to change.

01:43:02.000 Nobody's going to jail for anything.

01:43:04.720 And, and, and it's, it's, and he's been recalled so many times and can't get past him.

01:43:12.300 Yeah.

01:43:12.680 So there's an election and everybody's hopeful that we can get him out, but we'll see.

01:43:16.840 Because he doesn't prosecute anybody.

01:43:19.160 Well, he's a soros plant.

01:43:20.820 Yeah.

01:43:20.960 Is it, Gaston, what's his name?

01:43:22.080 That's what they say.

01:43:22.860 Yeah.

01:43:23.260 Yeah.

01:43:23.820 But especially they don't prosecute or jail.

01:43:26.740 It's by design.

01:43:27.240 Child rapists.

01:43:29.140 Mm-hmm.

01:43:29.820 Man, what a way to destroy an entire country.

01:43:32.680 The community, yes.

01:43:33.640 Humanity.

01:43:35.340 Humanity.

01:43:35.660 I think it's by design, personally.

01:43:37.460 I think it's intentional.

01:43:38.440 Well, that goes back to the Franklin case, right?

01:43:40.780 Yes.

01:43:41.520 Everybody should read about the Franklin case, right?

01:43:44.040 The Franklin papers.

01:43:45.280 What's that?

01:43:45.900 That was the Republican, I think people were in office and that was Boys.

01:43:50.100 Boys town.

01:43:50.680 Boys town.

01:43:50.700 A lot of boys, a lot of boy prostitutes in Washington, D.C.

01:43:55.740 Yeah.

01:43:55.920 A lot of clubs where boys, you know, dance.

01:43:58.680 And, you know, diplomats have immunity, so they can't arrest them.

01:44:01.920 Well, now they just do it right in Congress.

01:44:03.960 And.

01:44:04.980 The page.

01:44:05.980 Yeah.

01:44:06.100 Remember that?

01:44:06.720 Yeah.

01:44:07.300 Yeah.

01:44:07.700 He looked like he'd been there before.

01:44:08.620 She's talking about children.

01:44:10.120 Yeah.

01:44:10.480 Yeah.

01:44:11.040 Well, I said he looked like he'd been there a while.

01:44:13.600 But anyway.

01:44:15.460 It's everywhere.

01:44:16.400 Yeah.

01:44:16.600 But, you know, it's interesting because when I was in Europe, in Italy, I could not convince

01:44:25.360 people that it existed in their own country.

01:44:28.820 It was just amazing.

01:44:30.920 And then that movie came out.

01:44:32.900 I can't remember.

01:44:33.520 It was on cable.

01:44:34.240 It was an Italian name of a young, two middle class Italian girls that ended up with these

01:44:38.900 organized crime guys in a club.

01:44:42.700 And they said, well, that's just one case.

01:44:45.220 Yeah.

01:44:45.600 France, the same thing.

01:44:46.600 I named off their presidents.

01:44:50.060 I said, what do I have to do?

01:44:50.840 Go see them.

01:44:51.380 I think they know where they are because both their presidents were involved in sexual harassment,

01:44:57.980 sexual stuff.

01:45:00.600 So, OK, let's let's end with talking about your organization.

01:45:05.620 And I love that your whole board of directors are people.

01:45:09.920 Well, not my whole board that exists now because they're running a nonprofit is a heavy business.

01:45:14.620 You need to have, you know, CPAs.

01:45:17.120 You need to have business people.

01:45:18.340 And there's only five of us.

01:45:21.680 I keep it very small so we stay away from politics.

01:45:24.300 But my alumni board are all people who have gone through the Children of the Night program.

01:45:30.640 And they have PhDs and their first responders, firefighters, bankers, finance, teachers, therapists.

01:45:39.700 God, that's amazing.

01:45:40.700 And we put together a scholarship fund.

01:45:43.820 And there's an application on our website.

01:45:47.280 And we're already getting the people that are coming through faking it, you know, to try and apply for scholarship funds.

01:45:52.880 And I'm still in the meetings with them.

01:45:54.740 How do we tell?

01:45:55.700 How do we tell?

01:45:56.200 I says, it's OK.

01:45:56.900 Let us just grow.

01:45:57.920 And fortunately, I just had one of my other friends who's been with me for a number of years who's on the board.

01:46:03.500 And she's bringing two other people that lived in the shelter.

01:46:06.560 And I said, just, we have to build, you know.

01:46:11.820 And the deal is, is if you're on the board, then your children or you cannot have a scholarship.

01:46:16.300 There has to be no conflict of interest.

01:46:19.800 So, but it's really coming together.

01:46:22.580 I'm very proud of them.

01:46:23.520 So great.

01:46:24.460 Is there a place for people?

01:46:25.040 Because if it's private donation, is there somewhere people could donate that want to help?

01:46:28.440 Do you have a website or work?

01:46:29.800 Well, all, childrenofthenight.org.

01:46:32.100 And you can specify what you want your contribution to go to.

01:46:35.180 If you just want to do, you know, general operating wherever you need it most.

01:46:39.080 I want it for a scholarship.

01:46:40.820 And I do have people that donate just to scholarships.

01:46:43.160 OK.

01:46:43.760 And I have discretionary money.

01:46:45.780 You know, when you get those 20, 30, 40 PayPal donations, that's discretionary funds.

01:46:50.220 You can use that as long as it's program purpose.

01:46:53.120 And we don't have a lot of scholarships.

01:46:54.720 And we do things.

01:46:56.820 We had one young lady who was working at the airport with luggage.

01:46:59.800 And she wanted to get her own little business going as a side hustle.

01:47:03.220 And she wanted to go to eyelash school.

01:47:05.320 And we paid the $600 for eyelash school.

01:47:07.180 What was the big deal?

01:47:08.380 And we bought her equipment.

01:47:09.480 And she now has a salon.

01:47:10.700 She works in a salon.

01:47:11.880 It's amazing.

01:47:12.460 So, you know, it's, but nobody else would do that.

01:47:14.680 Where would you go to get, you know, to get someone to do that?

01:47:17.100 So, but this group understands it.

01:47:20.300 And boy, they can smell a rotten egg in a minute.

01:47:22.280 And it's so great.

01:47:25.260 It's like the gifting of self-respect to children who never would have had the opportunity to grow it in any other way.

01:47:36.940 God, that's a healing of the world.

01:47:38.680 It's really the most important work there is.

01:47:40.380 If you really boil it down, what you're doing is the most important thing.

01:47:43.580 And has done for how many years now?

01:47:46.300 50?

01:47:48.100 No, 40.

01:47:50.360 We get an edit here, right?

01:47:52.460 Reagan, yeah.

01:47:53.500 It's been in the 80s.

01:47:54.800 79, Carter.

01:47:56.000 So, yeah, 40-plus years, right?

01:47:58.740 This is our 45th year.

01:48:00.300 Wow.

01:48:01.660 And so the scholarship fund will be a lot more active in our 50th year.

01:48:07.100 As long as I keep going.

01:48:08.180 You know, I'm in.

01:48:10.180 Whatever you can use me for, I'm...

01:48:14.180 You know, ready, willing, and able.

01:48:17.720 This helps, too.

01:48:18.260 Before, when I was so involved, it just broke my heart.

01:48:22.040 I couldn't take it.

01:48:23.860 I know.

01:48:25.180 You know, one of the most interesting things we do that you would love if you ever have a chance to attend

01:48:29.780 is we have an online tutoring program.

01:48:33.040 Oh, cool.

01:48:33.260 We tutor kids for the GED.

01:48:35.660 I took a GED.

01:48:37.700 All you have to do is commit two hours a week and have a mobile device and Wi-Fi.

01:48:45.200 And we help sometimes with Wi-Fi or mobile devices.

01:48:47.640 And we'll send you out pretty quickly to...

01:48:51.900 If you could read, if you're a proficient reader, you can pass three of the tests.

01:48:57.180 The math's always the hardest.

01:48:59.240 And so you send them out right away and they go, oh, my God, all I have to do is the math?

01:49:02.220 Because you can take it multiple times.

01:49:04.480 And so then you focus on just the math.

01:49:06.400 Because our kids, you know, they give up easy because they've had such failure in their life.

01:49:11.520 So many roadblocks.

01:49:12.780 And then we do a graduation party for them.

01:49:15.540 And we fly them in from all over the country.

01:49:18.160 We put them up at the Sheridan Hotel at Universal Studios.

01:49:21.280 They get to go to Universal.

01:49:23.800 We have restaurants on City Walk who donate their food.

01:49:28.240 We have caps and gowns.

01:49:30.520 And we have our special volunteers, Warner Brothers, come in and play the graduation music.

01:49:34.800 Invite just our major donors to come in.

01:49:37.280 And it's just a real tear-jerking moment.

01:49:39.680 And they come up and they get their diploma and they have their graduation headshots.

01:49:44.180 And it's, you know, they just said, I just never thought I'd ever be here.

01:49:47.680 I just never thought this would happen for me.

01:49:49.860 And then you continue with helping with, you know, resumes and jobs and higher education.

01:49:54.980 So it's really an amazing, amazing time.

01:50:00.180 And we do that about once a year.

01:50:02.320 That's awesome.

01:50:03.340 You are an amazing woman.

01:50:05.840 For real.

01:50:06.280 You know, where does the strength come from?

01:50:08.800 I don't know.

01:50:09.340 I was born with it.

01:50:10.620 You know, sometimes you don't have control of the life God gives you.

01:50:14.920 You know, I was not going, I was going to live at the beach.

01:50:17.200 My mother used to say she'll never work.

01:50:20.180 She's going to school so she doesn't have to work.

01:50:23.020 You know.

01:50:24.760 Because I just, that was not in me.

01:50:26.380 I wanted to live at the beach and teach college and have my summers off and all those holidays and just never got back there.

01:50:33.500 Plus, I have thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of newspaper articles and photographs and videos, all the video shows we did with you that we've archived.

01:50:48.360 And that's going to go probably to the Fuller Theological Seminary, who has a clinic who did all these psychiatric evaluations on our kids that had real severe problems.

01:51:00.300 And their students have done PhD dissertations comparing, you'll love this, comparing, using the tests that psychiatrists use on child abuse victims, using the same test on prostitute kids to measure executive functioning and survival techniques and self-esteem and everything.

01:51:19.740 And you would really be shocked at the difference between the two populations.

01:51:24.380 And because these kids have got high levels of executive functioning.

01:51:28.960 I mean, they can, they know how to manipulate out of a situation, skills they've had to learn on the street that kids that are child abuse victims don't even have the self-esteem for.

01:51:37.620 Yeah.

01:51:37.920 So, we're learning a lot from that.

01:51:40.860 That's fascinating.

01:51:41.380 And so, that was the place I really wanted it to go because, and I insist in all the research at the Use the Word Prostitutes, and they do, I'm on those committees.

01:51:49.740 Well, yeah, because they have to develop the sixth and seventh sense to go, okay, I assess.

01:51:57.000 That's the highest level of mentality when you're not, you know, victims whine and cry and blame, but a victor assesses the situation.

01:52:09.220 Street smarts.

01:52:09.840 Yeah, and makes, okay, I can go out this door, I can, and that's what they know.

01:52:15.160 And no, and they're, they've never been able to access that in themselves, and you gave them that.

01:52:23.220 Mm-hmm.

01:52:23.600 And it's gonna, it's.

01:52:24.760 Well, they had that skill that came from being a prostitute.

01:52:27.620 Yeah, I know, but I mean, to give them a viable way to access it, to help humanity and the world.

01:52:36.300 I mean, look at the, it's just, it's a resource that isn't even looked at for development.

01:52:43.220 This data doesn't exist anywhere in the world because these are kids who voluntarily went for the assessments because they wanted to know what was wrong with them.

01:52:53.120 So, they're not kids that were interviewed in jail or given a questionnaire or anything.

01:52:56.960 They really worked at all of their tests and talking.

01:53:00.160 They love their therapist.

01:53:01.300 I mean, so you just don't have that kind of raw data anywhere.

01:53:04.800 Yeah.

01:53:05.620 How do you keep them going crazy with all the dark stuff you've seen?

01:53:09.960 Focusing on the light stuff.

01:53:11.560 Yeah.

01:53:12.100 You know, the dark stuff becomes routine.

01:53:15.800 That's, ugh.

01:53:16.620 Yeah.

01:53:16.920 Yeah, you just rise above it.

01:53:18.340 I couldn't do it.

01:53:18.900 Well, it's just routine, you know, this is what needs to be done.

01:53:21.420 And then I can only do so much because the participant calling me has to do their end of it too, you know.

01:53:28.800 It's dark.

01:53:29.460 So, well, if more women were like you, we could, you know, really turn things around.

01:53:36.580 Start our own country.

01:53:38.160 That's what I think we're going to do.

01:53:39.320 Our own planet, maybe.

01:53:39.660 I'm already working on it.

01:53:40.760 Another island.

01:53:41.420 I'm calling, I'm already working on this.

01:53:42.860 It's called New America.

01:53:44.000 And we set up a new country based off the Constitution of the United States of America.

01:53:48.720 I think it's going to happen.

01:53:50.460 It has to happen.

01:53:51.560 Yeah, because this one's gone.

01:53:52.900 Yeah.

01:53:53.280 I don't know.

01:53:54.440 I, I, I.

01:53:56.120 Not yet.

01:53:56.740 I don't think enough smart, I always say enough smart women could turn anything around.

01:54:02.940 Yeah.

01:54:03.120 Don't you think?

01:54:03.560 They have to be empowered.

01:54:05.300 Well.

01:54:05.520 And so many of them aren't.

01:54:07.460 Right.

01:54:08.380 You know, or they buy into it, you know, by making their movements middle class so that

01:54:12.380 they can be acceptable.

01:54:13.620 Yeah.

01:54:14.780 You know.

01:54:15.140 I mean, it used to be, if you were a feminist, you were either a lesbian or a minority woman.

01:54:20.160 Right.

01:54:20.720 And I remember back then, when I was in college, when Flo Kennedy and, do you know Flo Kennedy?

01:54:26.900 Okay.

01:54:27.120 She was my mentor.

01:54:28.480 Oh.

01:54:28.880 Is an activist.

01:54:30.420 And my first television interview was following her.

01:54:33.600 And I didn't really know her.

01:54:35.360 And she went up for me and she's, and she said on national news, I don't know what the big

01:54:40.660 problem is.

01:54:41.260 Nobody's ever died from a blow job.

01:54:42.780 And then it was my turn.

01:54:46.900 I couldn't even talk.

01:54:50.780 And the TV people said, you could have cited some research.

01:54:53.800 I said, yeah, well, next time I'll know.

01:54:57.560 But no, and I stayed in her apartment in New York and we'd paint the signs and she'd drive

01:55:02.180 her cab back up and down the street as we were marching.

01:55:05.220 And it was really fun.

01:55:07.180 She was really amazed.

01:55:08.060 She used to call me Little O.

01:55:09.040 So, um, but anyway, Flo Kennedy and, and, um, what's the name of the woman who found

01:55:16.160 the Ms. Movement?

01:55:17.860 Gloria Steinem.

01:55:18.460 Gloria Steinem did the college lecture circuit.

01:55:21.080 And so everybody was considered either a minority or a lesbian.

01:55:24.760 And, uh, I guess some guy in the audience at the college asked them, um, are you lesbians?

01:55:29.820 And Flo said, are you the alternative?

01:55:32.040 I remember that line.

01:55:33.500 That was a great line.

01:55:35.540 I've used that as a slam.

01:55:37.740 No, she was fabulous.

01:55:40.120 But, you know, but then it moved on to be, you know, a middle class movement.

01:55:44.320 You know, prostitutes are not part of it.

01:55:46.120 Lesbians had to really fight like hell to become part of it.

01:55:49.540 Mm-hmm.

01:55:50.060 I mean, that's, I think there's still a little tiff in all that.

01:55:52.640 There's a big tiff in all of it.

01:55:54.500 Yeah.

01:55:54.660 It's no longer middle class to me.

01:55:57.200 I think it's upper class now.

01:55:59.500 Yeah.

01:55:59.780 Oh, maybe.

01:56:01.060 I mean, I don't want middle class women.

01:56:02.280 I'm so, like, removed from those formal organizations.

01:56:05.320 It's the rich white women that are, I always say, they're ruining everything now.

01:56:08.360 And they've co-opted the feminist movement.

01:56:10.000 That's another podcast.

01:56:11.800 They just want pure commie.

01:56:12.980 Well, they don't care about middle class women anymore.

01:56:15.180 They don't care about working class.

01:56:16.300 They certainly don't care about the lower classes.

01:56:17.940 So it's just an elitist party to say, look how, look how great we are.

01:56:21.860 And they all sniff each other's farts at parties and have some Chardonnay.

01:56:25.140 No offense to either one of you.

01:56:26.320 But that's what.

01:56:27.680 I know you two like it.

01:56:29.140 Yeah.

01:56:29.420 But, I mean, that's what I see.

01:56:31.040 So it's really sad.

01:56:32.400 Well.

01:56:32.720 Middle class would be great if they got both.

01:56:34.660 Well, I am.

01:56:36.320 I'm just proud of you for inventing a cure and a solution.

01:56:42.200 And, you know, long may it wave.

01:56:44.720 And I hope it, I hope the sparks of your intelligence and the women who've learned from you explode across this country.

01:56:54.160 Well, it's a 24-7 job.

01:56:56.160 Find someone willing to make that commitment.

01:56:58.500 That's the hard part.

01:57:00.480 And find someone who'll be honest about it and committed to it.

01:57:04.300 You know, that's, there's a lot of people that come and, you know, they say, I want to be you.

01:57:08.120 I've had a lot of interns come through.

01:57:10.120 They want to work.

01:57:11.560 They want to do television shows, you know.

01:57:13.560 Yeah.

01:57:14.960 Well, childrenofthenight.org is the website if you want to.

01:57:18.540 There might be some, there might be some women out there who hear what we said here today and go, okay, I can do it.

01:57:30.900 I can, I can leave the beach.

01:57:35.240 Mm-hmm.

01:57:36.420 I do see small groups of Christian women setting up homes.

01:57:40.340 Those are who most good homes are right now.

01:57:42.540 Yeah.

01:57:42.760 Taking in six kids.

01:57:45.060 Yeah, I see that.

01:57:45.980 And they've had, you know, they've had trouble with the state in terms of getting a license.

01:57:48.660 I had a couple of women who came to me, I think they're from Texas, and I said, they won't give you a license?

01:57:53.220 And she said, no.

01:57:53.780 And I said, what's the woman's name?

01:57:55.420 And we called her up and told her who I was.

01:57:56.880 And I says, no, why can't we have a license?

01:57:58.380 She said, oh, we can get a license.

01:57:59.780 We just need to fill out this form.

01:58:01.240 I said, good, you'll send that to me now?

01:58:02.620 Well, you know, so the more I can use my power to help those individuals do their own thing.

01:58:08.360 Yeah.

01:58:08.880 You know, because it's real easy to get people to come in and say, oh, I want your job.

01:58:12.120 I'll take over the six million.

01:58:13.500 I just, we ain't doing that.

01:58:15.180 The money's going to the kids.

01:58:16.800 It's going to go to scholarships.

01:58:18.020 It's going to go to help them for as long as I live.

01:58:20.600 And thereafter.

01:58:21.280 Well, that's cool that, you know, there's Christian women out there organizing everywhere.

01:58:28.560 Moms of America are like that, too.

01:58:30.440 There are Christian women that want to organize and do the right thing.

01:58:34.020 You know, you just have to tell people what's really going on.

01:58:37.000 Right.

01:58:37.220 And you have to tell them how to deal with it.

01:58:39.080 You know, they get so scared and intimidated by these kids, and they don't realize they're

01:58:42.920 like any other kid.

01:58:43.780 You have to sit them down and go, no, we're not going to do that here.

01:58:46.980 Right.

01:58:48.540 Yeah.

01:58:48.940 And to be strong enough, I guess, in your faith and your will that you can, you know,

01:58:56.940 tell a kid no.

01:58:57.960 And that's hard.

01:58:59.320 It's real hard.

01:59:00.400 And sometimes they hate you for it.

01:59:02.160 But, you know, she's vice president of operations now, but she was a teacher for 22 years, I think,

01:59:09.640 in the classroom, the shelter.

01:59:12.220 And I'd walk, and she's a helpful witness.

01:59:16.980 She's very sweet.

01:59:18.380 She's very quiet.

01:59:19.780 She's very strong.

01:59:21.360 And I'd walk down the hallway, and I'd see a kid sitting in the hallway writing.

01:59:24.780 And I said, what are you writing?

01:59:26.320 I will not shout out Ms. Ventura's class.

01:59:29.120 I will.

01:59:29.600 A hundred times.

01:59:32.960 People came from around the world to say, how do you get these kids, you know, to sit

01:59:36.660 in school?

01:59:37.300 I control their food.

01:59:38.200 I control what time they wake up, what time they go to bed, what they do during the day,

01:59:41.980 and make sure that they, you know, they have entertainment, that they have social interaction.

01:59:45.580 Right.

01:59:46.300 Because you're helping them focus their mind.

01:59:49.520 That's the big war, isn't it?

01:59:51.120 Mm-hmm.

01:59:51.400 They're having, you know, too much idle time.

01:59:54.720 And then, you know, idle time makes way for bad people to come in and help you unfocus

02:00:00.340 your mind.

02:00:01.100 Mm-hmm.

02:00:01.580 And they know they're protected.

02:00:02.920 I mean, you know, I'm not going to put up with anything.

02:00:05.140 Yeah.

02:00:05.600 They know that they're safe with you.

02:00:07.560 Yeah.

02:00:08.380 Well, I love you.

02:00:10.380 I love you, too.

02:00:11.220 It's been a long time.

02:00:12.520 Yeah.

02:00:12.860 And I remember, you know, how we met.

02:00:14.760 And that was when Tracy called me and said, what's going on?

02:00:17.320 And I said, I don't know how I'm going to make payroll.

02:00:19.120 I don't know how I'm going to keep it open.

02:00:20.740 She said, I think I can help.

02:00:21.900 And next thing I knew, you called me and took care of us for a month.

02:00:26.280 Wow.

02:00:26.420 It was a very, very generous donation.

02:00:28.420 It was one of our biggest.

02:00:29.300 And I'll never, ever forget you for that.

02:00:32.220 Well, I was happy to do it.

02:00:33.860 I'm happy to do it again.

02:00:35.340 And to help spread it, because it's the only hope.

02:00:40.880 Mm-hmm.

02:00:41.120 Your vision is the only hope for our country and our children, and to keep them out of

02:00:47.040 the government's hands.

02:00:48.340 Mm-hmm.

02:00:48.680 Yes.

02:00:49.880 So, God bless you.

02:00:51.760 Thank you for being on the show.

02:00:53.960 It was wonderful to hang out with you.

02:00:55.520 It was really great hanging out with you, too.

02:00:57.500 Wasn't it fun?

02:00:58.740 You're a remarkable human.

02:01:01.200 Thank you.

02:01:01.840 Thank you so much.

02:01:03.220 Of course.

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The Children of the Night with Dr. Lois Lee ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #061

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