The Roseanne Barr Podcast - The Dragon’s Prophecy W⧸ Dinesh D’Souza

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00:01:58.660 Greetings, Earthlings!

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00:02:20.980 Welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast.

00:02:22.800 Oh, you see, my patience is growing thin.

00:02:29.700 Oh, boy, have we got a banger of a show today.

00:02:32.960 It's going to be a barn burner of a banger of a show today, I think.

00:02:38.720 You know how I love to speak with geniuses, and I have them all the time, but this one

00:02:43.720 is a great one.

00:02:44.680 A genius filmmaker and a unique voice in America, carrying on in the tradition of the forefathers

00:02:52.720 of America, a great American, a great artist, and a, for sure, genius, Dinesh D'Souza.

00:03:00.300 Hi, Dinesh.

00:03:01.880 Roseanne, it's such a pleasure to be back.

00:03:03.920 I think we last did this for Police State a few years ago.

00:03:08.700 Great movie.

00:03:09.440 And, boy, isn't it good that we got through all that, although not unscathed, I guess.

00:03:17.160 Yes, and we're in a bit of a new era, so this new film is a film for today, for these times.

00:03:24.060 Yeah, I want to talk to you about the film in a minute, but, you know, The Dragon's Prophecy,

00:03:29.380 right?

00:03:30.000 Heck of a title, I must say.

00:03:31.440 Yeah, and we just had Jonathan Cahn on our last show, so, you know, we talked about it

00:03:37.100 with him, and then you've made a movie about it.

00:03:40.620 Right.

00:03:41.040 And Debbie and I, my wife, we went to Israel in December of 22, and we discovered, we fell

00:03:48.900 in love with Israel and the people.

00:03:50.780 I felt like I was in the land of the Bible, you know, which is unusual these days, because

00:03:55.080 you can go to places, you go to Rome, you go to Stockholm, you go to Copenhagen.

00:04:00.020 Those places have all become homogenized.

00:04:02.080 They all look kind of the same.

00:04:04.540 But Jerusalem is still Jerusalem.

00:04:07.120 There's still the resonance of biblical times.

00:04:09.700 So, in any event, we discover biblical archaeology.

00:04:12.440 I've been writing about Christian history and apologetics for two decades, but much of

00:04:17.580 that stuff I didn't know.

00:04:18.720 And some of it has come out of the ground in recent years.

00:04:22.540 Yeah.

00:04:22.720 I mean, in the last decade.

00:04:24.020 So, I was, like, mesmerized by all that.

00:04:26.460 And then, of course, nine months later, October 7th, and I realized that that's an epical event.

00:04:35.140 And so, I was trying to connect these two things together, and I realized they are connected

00:04:41.020 in the sense that, ultimately, this is an argument over whose land is it.

00:04:46.220 And one way you answer that question is you ask, who are the original inhabitants of this

00:04:51.020 place?

00:04:51.500 So, biblical archaeology, October 7th, there is a nexus.

00:04:55.380 There is a link.

00:04:55.960 And then, along, marches in Jonathan Cahn, who publishes his book called The Dragon's

00:05:02.120 Prophecy.

00:05:03.200 And he made an observation that blew me away, which is that he said, look, what's going

00:05:07.660 on here is like a biblical event, and that the battles between Israel and Hamas are a

00:05:14.420 kind of echo.

00:05:15.920 He calls it a resurrection of ancient battles between the Israelites, and, you know, of course,

00:05:22.500 there were the Moabites, there were the Hittites, but notably, the most persistent of the enemies

00:05:27.200 of ancient Israel, the Philistines.

00:05:29.160 And he doesn't just claim this, and he doesn't just hang it on the word Philistine-Palestine,

00:05:34.180 which is the same word.

00:05:35.560 He goes into it with a rigor and a detail that I was like, I don't think people have heard

00:05:40.740 this.

00:05:41.540 They haven't.

00:05:42.120 I think I can pull this tapestry together into a film, and so that's what we did.

00:05:47.000 Yeah, he takes it all the way back to source, doesn't he?

00:05:50.520 Well, he, I love the example of Samson, where, you know, Samson is the biblical hero.

00:05:56.780 He represents the strength of Israel, and he's captured by, guess who, the Philistines.

00:06:03.300 And the Philistines blind him in much the same way that Israel is blinded in October 7th.

00:06:10.100 And what did the Philistines do?

00:06:11.960 The Bible says they dragged him to Gaza.

00:06:15.860 Now, that area, the Gaza Strip, what we call the Gaza Strip today, was Philistia.

00:06:20.780 But in Philistia, the land of the Philistines, there were five cities, notably Gaza.

00:06:25.920 And so Samson ends up in Gaza, and then, this is the crusher, it says,

00:06:30.440 the people of Gaza demanded that he be stripped and that he be brought out for their entertainment.

00:06:36.880 What a key word.

00:06:38.520 And then I remembered, October 7th, October 8th, this is exactly what happens in Gaza.

00:06:44.080 They bring out hostages, they're stripped, people are dancing with joy, Allahu Akbar.

00:06:49.500 And so what Khan is saying is that when you look at this through the lens of the Bible,

00:06:55.620 it takes on a much wider and even a spiritual significance.

00:07:00.700 That's what I think I found really profound.

00:07:02.320 And, you know, I have to say, Roseanne, obviously, none of us could have anticipated Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:07:07.380 People are talking now about, like, a spirit of not just political and cultural, but spiritual renewal.

00:07:13.400 And I want this film to be a part of that.

00:07:16.740 Well, then we have to talk about Charlie Kirk, right?

00:07:20.580 We should talk about Charlie Kirk.

00:07:22.220 He's, this is, I think that's another epical event of its own.

00:07:26.440 Yes, it definitely is.

00:07:28.300 And I remember just the eerie feeling.

00:07:32.760 Debbie and I were right in five rows from the front in the funeral.

00:07:36.280 And just hearing these, you know, one after the other cabinet ministers talking about God.

00:07:43.380 I mean, I've never heard anything like that in American politics.

00:07:46.280 And, you know, I was a young guy in the Reagan White House.

00:07:48.940 Reagan would refer to God once or twice.

00:07:51.300 You talk about the man upstairs, but it was in this whimsical, generic tone.

00:07:56.400 Here, it was very clear.

00:07:57.940 You're talking about people with very passionate conviction about returning to the principles of the Bible.

00:08:08.180 Were you at all, what's the word, Jake?

00:08:14.540 Were you at all alarmed by any of it?

00:08:18.740 Well, I was alarmed, you mean alarmed by the speeches or alarmed by the event, by Charlie's assassination?

00:08:25.500 Yeah, by the event for...

00:08:27.700 The memorial?

00:08:28.860 Yeah, kind of, because something was alarming to me about it.

00:08:33.020 And, I mean, it's one thing if the president and his cabinet were talking about a return to God and all that stuff

00:08:43.520 that included all Americans, including Jewish Americans and, you know, Buddhist Americans

00:08:48.840 and all, like, religious groups in America, because it's supposed to be a big tent, right?

00:08:55.580 Right.

00:08:55.880 But it seemed like it was only one group of Americans they were talking to.

00:09:06.140 And then when they capped it off with Goebbels, I mean, Tucker Carlson, it was like,

00:09:13.420 oh, how do you expect to keep a big tent when you're doing crap like that?

00:09:18.580 You know, and it was very alarming to me, like, what are they doing to MAGA?

00:09:23.300 Are they turning this into a Christian nationalist movement?

00:09:26.680 Because, really, I don't want any part of that.

00:09:29.140 I don't want any part of a church and state, of something with no separation between church

00:09:38.400 and state where there is a one religion sanctified by the government.

00:09:42.780 That's not America, as I remember.

00:09:45.880 No, I mean, I agree with this completely.

00:09:47.460 I do think I wasn't bothered by it for this reason.

00:09:50.500 I saw it not so much as a governmental event, but as a Charlie event that was a resonance of Charlie himself.

00:10:01.020 In other words, it's a private event.

00:10:02.340 You know, here's a guy, this is his funeral, really, except it was a funeral with 100,000 people,

00:10:07.120 which is not going to be your funeral or mine, I don't think.

00:10:10.180 And so I think everybody got in the spirit of that.

00:10:12.540 Now, weirdly, and my wife will corroborate this, I get up, march off to the bathroom,

00:10:17.080 which going to the bathroom in that kind of rally is like a 30-minute process.

00:10:20.020 Oh, yeah, at least.

00:10:20.780 I come back, and, like, Tucker is in the middle of his speech.

00:10:23.840 I missed the, you know, like, the key part, but then, of course, the day after, I see all the commentary and so on.

00:10:30.500 And, you know, I do think that there's something very bad going on here.

00:10:37.140 I've known Tucker not well, but off and on for 30 years.

00:10:41.680 In fact, when Tucker started out, he worked for a magazine, and I was the managing editor of it.

00:10:46.660 He came in as, like, an intern, but I left almost immediately after he came to go to the White House.

00:10:51.840 So I met him.

00:10:52.940 I knew him a little bit, and we've stayed in touch over the years.

00:10:55.220 Last year, Tucker and I did a speaking tour in Australia together.

00:10:58.320 We spoke in, like, eight cities and was, like, put on by this Australian billionaire, and he was perfectly cordial.

00:11:05.280 None of this came up at all.

00:11:07.120 We're talking about COVID, police state.

00:11:09.420 We're talking about political targeting.

00:11:12.100 We're talking about globalism.

00:11:14.300 But then suddenly this eruption all in recent months, and it's put me in a very awkward position

00:11:23.280 because I've been reluctant to call him out.

00:11:26.480 He's someone I've known.

00:11:27.460 And it also makes it look like, you know, our side is fighting, and yet I don't see how one can ignore these trends

00:11:36.200 because they have the potential, in my view.

00:11:41.240 They're spiritually corrosive.

00:11:43.320 They're politically divisive inside of the Republican Party.

00:11:46.780 They have the potential of destroying the MAGA movement.

00:11:49.720 Yes, that's what I think.

00:11:50.780 And they have the potential of doing a lot of harm to the country in general.

00:11:54.240 So for all of that, the stakes are a lot bigger than Tucker, and this phenomenon has to be addressed,

00:12:01.880 and I plan to be part of that.

00:12:04.120 Yeah, me too.

00:12:04.880 It's like, well, Tucker was, we were talking before about, and I don't know if you want to go into it,

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00:12:13.520 But Tucker was kind of brought in, and he's like the, and has been for a long time.

00:12:22.240 His, he, Candace, Nick Fuentes, they are kind of a cudgel against MAGA,

00:12:30.000 and, and the growing numbers of disaffected youth that are following all that, all that.

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00:14:04.980 You know, to subtly be, um, uh, uh, uh, what's the word, um,

00:14:19.100 Inferring?

00:14:19.660 No, when they're trying to seduce, subtly seduced into a, uh, uh, subtly being Islamicized.

00:14:32.320 That's what I see, which is like the UN Agenda 30s one world religion, which is Chrislam.

00:14:39.460 So they're being Chrislamicized and Chrislam is the, you know, one world religion that big money, big power likes because it's also, though, horrifically, the destruction of Christianity, the teachings of Jesus and Judaism.

00:14:57.780 And it's like a whole new thing pioneered in Jeremiah Wright's church where, you know, they just are making up a whole, a whole new thing where, uh, American youth subtly being seduced into, um, uh, wanted to bring many more dearborns here.

00:15:20.400 And ultimately a caliphate, and that's how I see it, and it has paid ops that continually blame Israel, our ally of 30 years, and the, this country that we get our intelligence about the Middle East from, whether, you know, and of course it has rogue, bad people in it too, just like our CIA does.

00:15:44.980 But ultimately, that's where we get, you know, in our intelligence for, around the world.

00:15:52.760 And, uh, you know, they're on the wrong side, and I think that it is the destruction of America's soul, and I'm horrified by it.

00:16:02.040 And, uh, it just...

00:16:03.420 You know, there are so many dimensions to this.

00:16:06.960 The, um, I mean, first of all, the, the case for Israel is a biblical case.

00:16:13.860 It is a, uh, moral case, by which I mean it's the root of Western civilization, Athens, and Jerusalem.

00:16:21.160 There is a practical case.

00:16:23.460 Uh, when I've debated this issue, I start with the practical case.

00:16:26.800 I basically go, look, you know, we give $3.8 billion to Israel.

00:16:30.260 Frankly, much of that ends up in the pockets of the defense contractors.

00:16:33.200 Yeah.

00:16:33.360 But more importantly, I don't know a better return on investment than that pittance of a money.

00:16:39.920 You know, we give money all over the world, and people twiddle their thumbs, or they turn around and insult them.

00:16:43.860 Tell us, give us the middle finger.

00:16:45.820 Uh, with Israel, we have a country on the front line that actually knows how to fight radical Islam, and is doing it.

00:16:52.380 Yeah.

00:16:52.800 America, I have to say, just based upon close spectatorial experience of the last 25 years, we do not know how to fight radical Islam.

00:17:00.740 At what? At all.

00:17:01.820 At all.

00:17:02.260 At all.

00:17:02.540 We start out with Jimmy Carter.

00:17:03.840 He pulls the Persian rug out from under the Shah.

00:17:06.220 Whoops, we get Khomeini.

00:17:07.600 Yeah.

00:17:07.860 That's how radical Islam gets a major state.

00:17:09.960 America started it.

00:17:11.020 Yeah.

00:17:11.480 Then after 9-11, we go over there with big, you know, pomp and circumstance, shock and awe.

00:17:18.340 Boom.

00:17:19.020 The Taliban is out of Afghanistan.

00:17:21.000 But guess what?

00:17:21.580 They're back.

00:17:22.420 So you can't say we won that long term.

00:17:24.340 And then, of course, Iraq is a big mess we don't have to go into.

00:17:26.480 So we don't know what we're doing.

00:17:28.640 And for 3.8 billion, you've got these, like, super sleuths on the ground, you know.

00:17:35.220 They got pages.

00:17:36.140 Hello, Abdul.

00:17:36.880 Are we ready for our next attack?

00:17:38.280 Kaboom.

00:17:38.800 I mean, this is genius.

00:17:40.120 I mean, I wish I thought of it.

00:17:41.920 If our CIA did it, I would be beyond shocked because they don't know how to do it.

00:17:45.660 But so Israel's doing it.

00:17:48.600 And then you have this cabal of people in this country who basically point the finger at Israel

00:17:56.560 and go, you're the problem.

00:17:58.580 It's downright insanity.

00:18:00.040 Because I think in the real world, you don't get to choose between, like, the good guy and

00:18:05.300 the bad guy.

00:18:05.920 You're choosing between what's out there.

00:18:07.560 And the choice right now is basically it's either Israel or it's radical Islam.

00:18:11.540 And let's look at it from the radical Muslim point of view.

00:18:14.140 They're the little Satan.

00:18:15.360 We're the great Satan.

00:18:16.480 So they actually understand how this all stacks up.

00:18:19.080 Oh, they get it totally.

00:18:20.440 They get it totally.

00:18:21.600 But we don't.

00:18:22.720 And, I mean, I was just looking at the Internet.

00:18:26.700 I'm like, my God, they have totally censored any kind of sane opinion on the, any kind of

00:18:32.220 sane opinion about what's really going on in the Middle East, specifically Israel, what

00:18:37.120 Israel's doing.

00:18:37.800 They have censored anything sane about Israel on all, almost all fronts, on YouTube, on

00:18:46.360 Bitchute.

00:18:47.400 It's all just, it just puked anti-Semitism everywhere.

00:18:52.300 And, I mean, they've won.

00:18:54.320 And they've targeted the minds of the youth.

00:18:57.080 And they're all going to be like, you know, listening to Candace and Nick Fuentes and Tucker

00:19:03.500 Carlson.

00:19:04.120 And I imagine Charlie Kirk was really bothered by that.

00:19:08.300 I imagine he felt, they say, oh, he felt pressured by Israel.

00:19:11.960 But he didn't have a lot of Jewish donors at all.

00:19:15.900 And I think that he was feeling pressured by those people's rising numbers.

00:19:23.180 And, you know, Charlie's donors are, look, in any organization that is a youth organization,

00:19:28.680 you have a constituency, which is young people, and you're going to get money from older people.

00:19:34.640 So the older people are going to represent the mainstream of the Republican Party, which

00:19:40.080 is pro-Israel.

00:19:41.320 This may have a subset of Jews in it, but it's not primarily Jews.

00:19:45.240 Right.

00:19:45.320 It's basically rich people of an older generation who believe in the Reaganite tradition that

00:19:50.800 Israel is our best ally.

00:19:52.540 So, yes, it's not the first time in the history of nonprofits that you got, you know, a guy

00:19:57.380 navigating between a younger constituency that's, as you say, being kind of seduced or tempted

00:20:02.740 away to an anti-Israel position.

00:20:05.180 And then his money is coming from basically pro-Israel people.

00:20:09.940 That's not going to get him assassinated.

00:20:11.400 That's actually normal.

00:20:12.280 When I was at AEI, you know, you'd have all these corporations that were giving us money.

00:20:16.860 All right.

00:20:17.080 And then the AEI economists who are free market guys would say, listen, we're against government

00:20:21.400 bailouts.

00:20:22.320 We're against any kind of subsidies.

00:20:25.800 And all these companies would be like, wait a minute, we want subsidies for us.

00:20:29.420 You know, and so tension between, you know, our free market constituency, that's why we

00:20:34.620 exist.

00:20:35.280 And, of course, the donors who are corporate and generally support free markets.

00:20:39.840 But on the other hand, if they can get something from the government, they're only too happy

00:20:43.060 to take advantage of it.

00:20:44.680 So I think this is this was Charlie's predicament.

00:20:47.760 But to go from that, which is a completely normal situation that he was trying to navigate

00:20:52.120 to somehow, you know, there was like, take a look at this picture, guys.

00:20:57.960 Here is a pipe that can be seen in the in the video of Charlie's assassination.

00:21:02.540 I think there was like a Mossad guy who came out of that pipe.

00:21:05.460 That was the real shooter.

00:21:07.060 I mean, this kind of stuff is so idiotic and and bad for our side.

00:21:14.760 And so it it's hard for me to believe.

00:21:18.780 But aren't there donors that pulled out because of Tucker Carlson before the assassination of

00:21:23.760 Charlie?

00:21:24.180 Of course.

00:21:24.660 I mean, I was telling you just before we got started that I know one of them, probably

00:21:30.000 Charlie's largest donor.

00:21:31.840 And he this is a guy who had sort of had it.

00:21:35.040 And I think what it was is that at the beginning, he saw that, look, you know, Tucker's got a

00:21:41.140 big following.

00:21:41.820 A lot of Tucker's admirers became admirers not because of the anti-Semitism, not because of

00:21:47.960 his view of Israel.

00:21:48.960 They were admirers when he was on Fox News.

00:21:50.840 They supported him when he got fired.

00:21:52.380 He was the like ultimate like poster boy of political incorrectness.

00:21:56.460 Yeah.

00:21:56.600 This was the appeal of Tucker.

00:21:58.080 Well, that's why we all liked him.

00:21:59.440 That's why we all like Tucker.

00:22:00.560 You did a tour with him.

00:22:02.100 I did.

00:22:02.620 Not too long ago.

00:22:03.080 Yeah.

00:22:03.380 Yeah.

00:22:04.080 So so, yes, the Charlie had a donor problem prior to all that.

00:22:12.020 And because a lot of his donors did not like Tucker Carlson.

00:22:17.040 Well, they also didn't like the degree of prominence.

00:22:20.540 Like they noticed that even after all this, even after Charlie had heard from like 30

00:22:25.540 people or 100 people, this is a problem.

00:22:28.380 Like who's the keynote speaker at their upcoming like December conference?

00:22:32.960 Tucker Carlson.

00:22:33.740 Who was right up there at the funeral?

00:22:35.460 I mean, it's not easy to get that speaking slot.

00:22:37.260 Tucker Carlson.

00:22:37.860 So so I think this is symbolic of a problem in the Republican Party and and one that has

00:22:45.980 to be taken head on.

00:22:47.380 Now, I think with the problem with it a little bit is this.

00:22:50.320 And that is that Tucker is the man who, quote, asks questions.

00:22:54.800 Right.

00:22:55.380 That's how he he says, I'm not I'm not taking a position.

00:22:57.860 I'm only asking questions.

00:22:58.940 Because Candace takes the I would call it and all of this is slightly comedic, but in

00:23:04.520 a dark way.

00:23:05.720 She's always conducting a personal investigation.

00:23:08.820 She's like, I I've got my journalists.

00:23:11.180 I want to recruit you, my audience to be journalists.

00:23:13.900 Send me videos.

00:23:15.160 We're going to get to the truth of truth of the matter.

00:23:16.920 Citizen journalism.

00:23:18.500 Now, all of this has a kind of respectable patina.

00:23:22.940 Veneer.

00:23:23.880 It's a veneer because, first of all, this journalism never produces anything.

00:23:28.980 It never actually comes to a conclusion.

00:23:30.800 It actually never produces an incontestable fact where all of us can look at it and go,

00:23:35.740 you know what?

00:23:36.280 That is obviously true.

00:23:37.680 We didn't know that before.

00:23:38.780 We need to revise our previous understanding.

00:23:40.980 It's never like that.

00:23:41.960 It's always some extremely wacky theory that never goes anywhere and is replaced by another

00:23:47.820 even more wacky theory.

00:23:49.600 So this is the surreal world we are moving into.

00:23:53.620 And I'm all for asking questions.

00:23:55.920 Me too.

00:23:56.140 In a way, it embarrasses me because most of the people.

00:23:57.940 I want to ask, I want to do a citizen inquiry into the one thing Candace will never do,

00:24:05.000 and that's the Catholic Church and its horrible record on child molestation and trafficking.

00:24:13.760 Candace ought to look into that.

00:24:15.060 Boy, that'd get her a lot more viewers.

00:24:17.260 But I plan to do that and why she apologizes for all that and hides it.

00:24:21.380 Well, the other thing about the church that has been very disturbing is the way in which,

00:24:27.660 well, the Catholic Church was hit with a lot of lawsuits.

00:24:30.520 They, I think, were facing in certain areas major bankruptcy.

00:24:33.700 But then they discovered almost like a business, like another source of revenue, illegals, right?

00:24:40.580 Right, exactly.

00:24:41.140 Because you can set up shop on the border as the group that navigates these massive caravans

00:24:48.200 that come, you know, 2,000 miles and arrive at the U.S. border.

00:24:50.800 Catholic Charities brought them over.

00:24:51.960 Catholic Charities basically became like an unbelievably lucrative revenue operation.

00:24:59.020 And funded, by the way, not just by, funded by U.S. taxpayers indirectly, funded by NGOs,

00:25:04.400 funded by international organizations.

00:25:06.340 USAID.

00:25:07.020 All of this stuff.

00:25:08.280 And so this is the backdrop of all that.

00:25:11.400 But let me put it this way.

00:25:12.260 When I started my career, I was myself like a young Charlie Kirk, right?

00:25:16.480 I was speaking on campuses.

00:25:17.960 My first book was called Illiberal Education.

00:25:20.320 Right.

00:25:20.600 And so I lived that life of three days, four days a week, going from one campus to the other,

00:25:26.200 often flying cross-country.

00:25:27.720 Of course, it was a different era.

00:25:29.040 I never had to worry.

00:25:30.040 I don't think I genuinely worried about getting shot.

00:25:33.460 At the most, I thought some guy will rush the stage and be intercepted by some overweight

00:25:38.220 campus policeman.

00:25:39.540 You know, it's going to be okay.

00:25:41.180 I'll live through it.

00:25:43.340 But I've tried to be an iconoclast asking questions.

00:25:46.800 But you have to ask questions in the right way.

00:25:49.120 And you have to do it seeking truth.

00:25:52.040 You're not asking questions to poison the well.

00:25:55.240 That's right.

00:25:55.600 And so when you have a guy who's asking questions like this, all right, well, you know, I just

00:26:00.620 wonder whether we might have been better to ally with, you know, Hitler in World War II

00:26:06.560 against Stalin.

00:26:07.800 I'm like, wait a minute.

00:26:09.360 Yeah.

00:26:09.680 You know.

00:26:10.120 Our grandfathers died fighting Hitler.

00:26:12.600 Right.

00:26:12.860 And then, of course, you'll hear something like, you know, well, I'm not the only guy

00:26:16.560 who's saying that.

00:26:16.980 You know, Patton said that.

00:26:18.280 No, Patton didn't say that.

00:26:19.520 After the war, Patton said, having won the war and vanquished the Nazis, maybe we're going

00:26:24.640 to have to deal with the Soviet Union now.

00:26:26.940 And maybe we should march all our way to Moscow.

00:26:29.700 That's a whole different thing.

00:26:31.940 And so but for young people who are amnesiac and don't know the nuances of all this, they

00:26:36.780 go, oh, well, Patton said it, really?

00:26:38.960 So I think that these this kind of asking of questions is not as it needs to be a search

00:26:46.420 for truth and genuine debate.

00:26:49.980 No, you said it is poisoning the well.

00:26:52.980 It's poisoning the well.

00:26:54.680 It's poisoning the well.

00:26:56.020 And on so many different counts.

00:26:57.980 The other thing that's going on, you know, you've heard about this is this whole notion.

00:27:02.420 And here I'm going to go a little bit into sort of the Christianity a little bit.

00:27:06.780 Replacement Theology.

00:27:07.460 Oh, it is Replacement Theology.

00:27:09.500 So Jeremiah Wright, the whole leftist thing all the way.

00:27:13.680 Right.

00:27:14.020 Now, I want to I just want to state it.

00:27:15.560 KGB, Color Revolution, it's all the same.

00:27:18.760 But but let's look at it for how this Replacement Theology is just from the Christian point of

00:27:23.600 view, extremely heretical and destructive.

00:27:26.920 Absolutely.

00:27:27.500 Because and I'm not coming at it from the point of view of like a Protestant dispensationalist.

00:27:32.980 No, I mean, I'm I see myself in the C.S.

00:27:35.640 Lewis mode is like what he calls mere Christianity, which is the very mainstream, the basics of

00:27:40.440 Christianity going back 2000 years.

00:27:42.540 And so in the mainstream of Christianity, we learn that the New Testament is in the old

00:27:47.740 concealed and the Old Testament is in the new revealed.

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00:29:42.380 They cannot be separated.

00:29:43.680 They cannot be replaced.

00:29:45.460 In fact, in Islam, as you know, there's a doctrine of abrogation, which is that like later verses

00:29:50.200 cancel out the earlier verses, you know, and so, but nothing like that in Christianity.

00:29:54.980 In Christianity, the Christians are engrafted into the Jewish root and they become, you could

00:30:03.100 almost say, spiritual Israelites.

00:30:04.800 That's a phrase Jonathan Cahn uses.

00:30:06.340 I like it.

00:30:07.060 I like it a lot.

00:30:08.300 But there is no question that somehow trying to cut off the Old Testament and push it away.

00:30:14.760 And some of these Christians are like, yeah, but Jesus, but Jesus.

00:30:17.340 Well, in Christian theology, there are three persons and one God, right?

00:30:21.260 There's God the Father.

00:30:22.440 There's God the Son.

00:30:23.280 That's Jesus.

00:30:23.900 And the Holy Spirit.

00:30:25.240 Well, what are we going to do?

00:30:26.120 Cut God the Father out?

00:30:27.880 That's the Old Testament.

00:30:29.480 And what, leave two people in the Trinity?

00:30:31.800 I mean, if you tell this to the Pope, he would have a heart attack.

00:30:34.120 He'd fall over.

00:30:34.940 Well, maybe not the new Pope, but the old Pope.

00:30:36.720 Well, look, I mean, I like what I think it was, I don't remember if it was Benedict or

00:30:41.980 if it was John Paul II.

00:30:42.960 He said, listen, it is the holy land for everybody, but it is the promised land to the Jews.

00:30:51.700 He was talking about Israel.

00:30:54.700 So, look, we have a big fight on our hands.

00:30:59.360 Muhammad says it, too.

00:31:01.960 Muhammad says it, too.

00:31:03.220 Yeah.

00:31:04.880 Interesting.

00:31:05.500 That's why we say they're actually all Zionists.

00:31:08.720 They're all Zionists.

00:31:09.740 They're all arguing over Jerusalem.

00:31:11.580 It's not just the Jews.

00:31:13.360 Christians, Islam, they all have a claim to that land, and they're all fighting for it.

00:31:17.000 That's what we're witnessing today.

00:31:18.140 Right.

00:31:18.860 But the Christians don't want it.

00:31:20.440 I mean, the Christians aren't trying to take the land politically, right?

00:31:23.200 The Muslims want the physical control of the land.

00:31:25.920 Right.

00:31:26.440 So, in that sense, it's a little different.

00:31:31.760 And look, so when we embarked on this film, quite honestly, we knew about October 7th.

00:31:38.340 We knew about the biblical archaeology.

00:31:40.580 We were entranced by Jonathan Cahn's introduction of elements of biblical prophecy, the Book of

00:31:46.120 Revelation.

00:31:47.060 Very eye-opening stuff.

00:31:48.560 In fact, the title, The Dragon's Prophecy, comes out of a passage where the dragon, which

00:31:53.080 is Satan, is at war with a woman representing Israel.

00:31:56.980 And so, that's a kind of an image or metaphor for what's going on.

00:32:01.560 But we didn't know that we would be facing these powerful currents, not only from the

00:32:08.140 left, but from the right, that seek to delegitimize Israel and, in effect, help radical Islam.

00:32:15.260 Now, I know why the left wants to help radical Islam.

00:32:19.460 Well, I don't know entirely, because, of course, think of how, what strange bedfellows those

00:32:23.580 two camps are.

00:32:24.040 I mean, it doesn't make any sense.

00:32:25.860 Right, exactly.

00:32:26.980 The LGBTQ people wouldn't survive very well under Sharia.

00:32:30.880 Yeah.

00:32:31.220 Right?

00:32:31.480 Tell them what your sister calls them.

00:32:32.620 It's hilarious.

00:32:33.520 Oh, my sister calls, she's gay, but she calls them rooftoppers.

00:32:40.420 Rooftoppers.

00:32:41.200 Yes, hello.

00:32:41.900 There's the window.

00:32:43.420 Keep walking.

00:32:44.140 Anyway, sorry.

00:32:45.780 They're so severely brainwashed that they're actually working a lemming program of their

00:32:53.620 own destruction.

00:32:54.840 I think from the left...

00:32:55.840 But that's how I see...

00:32:56.960 It's anti-colonization, is what it is.

00:32:58.980 It's anti-colonized.

00:32:59.160 Well, the left, I think, is...

00:33:01.020 The left doesn't know what it's doing, but the Muslims do.

00:33:03.640 Yeah.

00:33:03.760 So, the left thinks, listen, we got all these ethnic groups.

00:33:07.000 They all, you know, these people identify as black, and these people identify as LGBTQ,

00:33:11.240 and these people identify as feminists, and hey, these people identify as radical Muslims.

00:33:15.680 So, you're just another ethnic group.

00:33:17.760 Right.

00:33:18.480 Of course, from the radical Muslim point of view, it's like, listen, we are outsiders

00:33:21.940 to this society.

00:33:23.220 We need someone to give us passports so we can kind of get in.

00:33:26.960 We can get in the door.

00:33:28.380 We can get on the school board.

00:33:29.760 We can run for office.

00:33:30.880 Someone needs to run cover for us when we do bad stuff and defend us in the name of free

00:33:36.120 speech or legal process.

00:33:38.420 We need lawyers to represent us in Guadalamo.

00:33:40.720 Use all your freedoms, all Christian democracy's freedoms against them, and then get a Dearborn

00:33:47.700 right in the heart of it, you know, and then the mayor of Dearborn says last week, no Christians

00:33:53.460 are allowed here.

00:33:54.720 He didn't say no Jews are allowed here.

00:33:56.340 He said no Christians are allowed here, and they want a Dearborn in every state, and that's

00:34:03.920 how they'll do it.

00:34:04.820 All these gays are going.

00:34:08.300 Israel is a, you know, it's so brilliant how they've done it, and now they have to do it

00:34:15.080 on the right because they already got the whole left working for them, and now they're going

00:34:20.000 to get the right working for them, you know, and it's an exchange of money because none

00:34:25.280 of them would do it for free because they're all hucksters and grifters, and they'll do

00:34:31.040 anything for money.

00:34:32.040 People ask me, like, what's the motive?

00:34:33.660 Now, I've debated Nick Fuentes.

00:34:36.400 I think...

00:34:37.500 You have?

00:34:38.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:39.180 Well, what happened was Nick Fuentes is parading himself around, and he's basically going,

00:34:42.840 everybody's too scared to debate me.

00:34:44.760 That makes me the alpha male.

00:34:46.520 He goes, Tucker won't debate me.

00:34:48.520 Ben Shapiro's too wimpy to debate me.

00:34:50.400 He's like, Charlie's a wimp.

00:34:52.060 So I'm like, I'll debate you.

00:34:53.400 So I debated him, and it was very...

00:34:57.040 He didn't look good, let's put it this way, because, of course, the guy, his scope of

00:35:01.240 knowledge is like 13 years old, right?

00:35:03.060 I know.

00:35:03.580 He is.

00:35:03.820 So he'd say things like, regime change is always a bad idea, Dinesh.

00:35:07.480 And I'd go, well, Nick, off the top of my head, I can give you 25 examples of where regime

00:35:11.680 change has worked beautifully.

00:35:13.400 And I'd just start rattling them off.

00:35:15.820 And then you can just look in the video, and I had to look at it later.

00:35:18.460 If you look at his face, he's like, why did I get into this?

00:35:21.420 And then, of course, his young audience is like, who the hell is this young?

00:35:24.880 Who is this guy debating Nick?

00:35:26.380 Because Nick was like their little King Arthur, Sir Galahad, and they're not used to seeing

00:35:32.440 him embarrassed.

00:35:34.560 So that's Nick.

00:35:35.400 Nick wants to be...

00:35:36.500 Nick is proud of being an anti-Semite.

00:35:38.700 But he claims, and this is part of his so-called witty shtick, he goes, well, I'm the intelligent

00:35:42.700 anti-Semite.

00:35:44.240 Candace is the low-grade anti-Semite.

00:35:46.220 She's like the low-grade version of me.

00:35:48.300 So that's Nick.

00:35:50.060 Candace, I don't know as well.

00:35:51.420 I was actually a regular speaker at her Blexit events, because a lot of her Blexit stuff

00:35:55.820 came out of films I did, like Hillary's America, which kind of exposed the secret history of

00:36:00.760 the Democratic Party, all the racism.

00:36:02.520 Right, all the racism.

00:36:03.160 And so Candace loved me.

00:36:04.320 I'd go to her events, but of course, that was a different Candace.

00:36:10.260 I was going to say, that's a different agenda.

00:36:11.620 It's actually a different Candace.

00:36:14.000 And I don't quite know.

00:36:16.360 I know that she has always wanted to be a cultural icon.

00:36:19.520 She, even more than a political icon, she was, it's like politics is a stepping stone

00:36:24.800 to be becoming like Kanye West.

00:36:27.040 So she aspires to move into that space.

00:36:30.480 And I think she realized that this creates an electric cord with an audience that might

00:36:36.900 open the door for that.

00:36:37.880 So that's kind of my reading on Candace.

00:36:41.700 Tucker, to me, is the most puzzling of all.

00:36:45.440 Hard for me to see someone just doing it for the money.

00:36:47.560 Tucker's from a wealthy family.

00:36:48.960 He's very well off on his own.

00:36:51.080 His wife is also very wealthy.

00:36:53.300 He's not doing it for money at all.

00:36:55.660 Yeah.

00:36:55.980 Well, you know what I think about Tucker, because he was a friend or I, I still tell him he's

00:37:01.320 a friend and I'm trying to save his soul from going straight to hell and burning there for

00:37:05.660 time and all eternity in a lake of fire being, you know, anally raped by Satan every single

00:37:12.120 day.

00:37:12.720 But, um, you know, but, you know, cause I still have feelings of love for him, but, uh, you

00:37:19.560 know, Tucker, I told him, you know, when you got attacked by that demon, you know, it took

00:37:25.220 you because you changed that.

00:37:27.880 And that demon, I know its name and I can help you.

00:37:31.640 What is the name?

00:37:32.420 Just ask me, uh, Bilok.

00:37:35.400 Bilok.

00:37:36.020 Uh-huh.

00:37:36.600 Is, is Bilok?

00:37:37.560 I'm trying to think.

00:37:38.080 Bilok is the one that curses Israel.

00:37:40.260 Oh, really?

00:37:41.120 Yeah.

00:37:41.320 Donkey?

00:37:42.240 Huh?

00:37:42.640 The donkey, the biblical donkey.

00:37:43.920 Well, Bilok and Bilom was the talking donkey.

00:37:46.840 Oh, interesting.

00:37:47.640 And, and, and, you know, Tucker does sound like he's talking out of his ass.

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00:39:10.460 That demon did take him and all that demon does is curse Israel.

00:39:15.620 And that's what happened to Tucker.

00:39:17.700 He's possessed.

00:39:19.140 You know, 10 years ago, the idea that, you know, a guy like Tucker would be sort of possessed

00:39:25.360 by a demon, which seemed to me so far-fetched, I wouldn't even know what to say about it.

00:39:28.720 But as you know, the central theme of the dragon's prophecy is that there is a world behind the

00:39:36.600 world.

00:39:37.080 Yeah.

00:39:37.460 And that there is a cosmic battle that is going on between God and Satan.

00:39:42.160 Yeah.

00:39:42.460 Because people often say it's a spiritual war.

00:39:43.920 It says in Torah that God created this world, that it would be the place where the war between

00:39:48.620 God and the Satan took place.

00:39:51.640 Right.

00:39:52.020 And it was to judge your soul, which way are you going to go?

00:39:55.380 And that's exactly what's happening as I see it.

00:39:59.300 Me too.

00:39:59.960 And part of the genius.

00:40:01.180 And you see people fall.

00:40:01.680 You see people fall right before your eyes on TV every day.

00:40:06.160 And we're supposed to, the reason, Jew, where it says, you know, where it says the chosen

00:40:11.440 and all that stuff that everybody doesn't know anything about, what that means is chosen

00:40:15.820 to witness.

00:40:17.040 Chosen to witness how Torah unfolds in the world and how it comes true.

00:40:23.580 And that's what, that's what the dragon's prophecy is about too.

00:40:27.720 Seeing how the word happens and how it manifests in the world.

00:40:32.800 And you see people fall off and they go the way of death.

00:40:37.260 They choose death, not life.

00:40:39.260 So, you know, and you're seeing it every day.

00:40:41.500 And I always tell people, your job is to witness.

00:40:44.380 Your job is to see it.

00:40:46.000 But, you know, they don't see it.

00:40:47.180 They go, la-di-da, I wonder what the Queen of England's up to.

00:40:50.400 Or, you know, how big Kim Kardashian's butt got this week.

00:40:54.580 They're not witnessing what's right in front of them.

00:40:57.180 That the wicked are falling right and left.

00:40:59.540 I mean, they're undoing themselves on television in front of us every day.

00:41:03.560 Comey, we've waited all these years for, you know, the people who betrayed our country

00:41:10.040 and overthrew the, you know, the Republic of the United States of America

00:41:15.880 and took so many years to do it are coming to judgment now.

00:41:20.100 We're seeing it.

00:41:21.220 We're seeing it and that we're not witnessing it.

00:41:24.340 And the people who know are BS-ing us about how it's all Trump's fault.

00:41:30.760 On Jimmy Kimmel's show, saying, oh, Trump, you know, telling us it's Israel, it's Trump.

00:41:37.100 You know, because they don't want us to witness what's right before our eyes

00:41:40.960 and it's very obvious.

00:41:42.800 I mean, I'm watching MSNBC and they keep using two words, retribution and vengeance.

00:41:50.580 Right.

00:41:50.820 Now, first of all, I am a strong believer that retribution is the very essence of justice.

00:41:56.600 Of course.

00:41:57.040 And what I mean by that is all justice is based on retribution, right?

00:42:01.380 What goes around comes around.

00:42:02.780 What you did will be done to you.

00:42:04.500 And not only that, but rival theories of justice make no sense.

00:42:09.500 Sometimes people say, well, the next justice is really based on deterrence.

00:42:13.000 Well, deterrence has nothing to do with the perpetrator or the victim.

00:42:16.400 Deterrence means let's calibrate the punishment.

00:42:19.080 So some third guy uninvolved in the situation is going to have his motive structured, right?

00:42:24.100 So he will or will not be more likely to do it.

00:42:26.480 But that's nothing to do with the justice of the situation itself.

00:42:29.920 And the other thing is these guys keep talking about retribution and vengeance.

00:42:32.980 And I'm thinking to myself, retribution for what?

00:42:36.060 What did you do to this guy that makes him want to be in a mood of retribution?

00:42:40.200 Yeah, they always erase the agent and the crime.

00:42:43.240 Right.

00:42:43.840 Or they turn it upside down.

00:42:45.920 You know, they do a switch like when you turn the...

00:42:50.260 Inversion.

00:42:51.100 Yeah, but you know, you've got the sand that runs through...

00:42:53.280 Oh, the hourglass.

00:42:54.080 Boom.

00:42:54.200 The hourglass turn.

00:42:55.020 Yep.

00:42:55.480 The flip.

00:42:56.060 You go, oh, you aren't the victim.

00:42:58.420 You're the aggressor.

00:42:59.820 And this is the essence of...

00:43:02.320 I think this is the essence because the essence of evil is not the opposite of good.

00:43:08.360 The essence of evil is the inversion where good becomes evil, evil becomes good.

00:43:15.080 If you can pull that off, now you're like an A student of Satan.

00:43:20.560 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:21.140 And that is where our culture is today.

00:43:24.040 I think the thing is that Satan is not strong enough to defeat God, right?

00:43:29.660 Well, of course not.

00:43:30.460 No.

00:43:30.860 So what does Satan do?

00:43:31.900 He always targets the beloved of God.

00:43:34.800 And his idea is if I can ruin them, I get the last laugh.

00:43:38.760 I still don't win, but at least I get a major chuckle on God.

00:43:42.020 I've one-upped him in this case.

00:43:43.600 So the whole meaning of Genesis 1, to me, the story of the garden, Adam and Eve, is exactly that.

00:43:49.860 Satan targets God's beloved creation, which is man.

00:43:54.040 I think for the exact same reason, Satan targets the Jews.

00:43:57.660 Exactly.

00:43:57.980 The Jews are the chosen of God.

00:43:59.540 All right, let's destroy them.

00:44:01.120 Let's take their holy temple that Solomon built, was rebuilt by Herod.

00:44:05.600 Let's go stick the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock on top as a victory arch.

00:44:10.220 And let's see if we can push the Jews out from the river to the sea.

00:44:14.480 Because God said, I give you the land between the river and the sea.

00:44:18.060 That's it.

00:44:18.680 And so why the secular, godless, leftist for this is one thing.

00:44:23.440 But to see people in the name of Christianity, in the name of the good, the true, and the beautiful,

00:44:30.520 signing up for this, this is the real scandal right now.

00:44:34.240 I agree.

00:44:34.500 It definitely is.

00:44:35.580 And it will bring America down.

00:44:37.840 And, you know, it will destroy America's soul.

00:44:41.180 And, you know, I'm terrified of that because I love America.

00:44:45.080 And I don't want to see that happen like it happened to every other nation that did that.

00:44:50.160 Israel will be fine.

00:44:51.400 Like, you want to get rid of Israel?

00:44:53.140 Fine.

00:44:53.800 You won't destroy Israel.

00:44:55.660 Israel will merely pivot to India and make it the technological giant of the world.

00:45:01.020 It's America that will fall.

00:45:02.300 Well, first of all, Israel's in the Bible and America isn't.

00:45:05.500 So what that tells you right away is that to the degree you accept the Bible or believe it,

00:45:10.480 it is a, there's an unfolding of events and Israel is at the center of it.

00:45:14.900 The United States' position is going to be judged by which side we take.

00:45:19.840 Exactly.

00:45:20.660 Right?

00:45:20.680 Now, we know that the architecture of this country, going back to the founders and long

00:45:25.360 before, they didn't come to this country empty-handed.

00:45:28.400 They came bringing Athens and Jerusalem.

00:45:31.020 Athens, we know all about it.

00:45:32.480 Socrates, it's philosophy, it's the Greek theater, it's democracy, Pericles.

00:45:37.100 But Jerusalem is the controversial part because Jerusalem is based upon this astounding idea

00:45:43.120 of God's revelation, right?

00:45:44.460 And I think the Bible, to me, is a fascinating document because it doesn't prove anything.

00:45:48.840 It just asserts it.

00:45:50.060 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

00:45:52.180 And I remember when I was reading this and, you know, reading it as a young adult, like

00:45:56.440 at 17, I'm like, who's talking?

00:45:59.640 You know what I mean?

00:46:01.180 It doesn't say in the beginning, I created the heavens and the earth.

00:46:03.700 So there is a witness, to use your word, a witness to these events.

00:46:07.420 But who is that witness?

00:46:09.140 And on what basis are you supposed to like accept it or believe it?

00:46:13.240 This is where I think the archaeology stuff is so fascinating because for centuries, I mean,

00:46:17.860 if you go back to 1985 and someone were to say to you, prove to me definitively not using

00:46:23.800 the Bible that there was a King David, you couldn't do it.

00:46:27.200 You couldn't.

00:46:27.560 No, they couldn't do it for a long time.

00:46:29.660 Jeremiah, Isaiah, and not only that, minor figures in the Bible.

00:46:34.360 I'll just give one example because this, to me, is so interesting.

00:46:38.020 In about the 6th or 7th century BC, you have the prophet Jeremiah and he's out on the streets.

00:46:43.260 He's railing against the king, a guy named Zedekiah.

00:46:45.580 And Jeremiah basically goes, you better straighten up because otherwise the kingdom from the north,

00:46:51.480 the Babylonians, are going to invade.

00:46:53.100 They're going to destroy this kingdom.

00:46:54.540 You're going to be ruined.

00:46:55.900 So the king doesn't believe it, but he's nervous with this guy Jeremiah.

00:47:00.140 So he picks two dudes at the court.

00:47:03.100 One is Gedaliah, son of Pashur, and the other is Jehukal, son of Shalamiah.

00:47:10.280 Minor figures in the Bible, barely mentioned in the Hebrew scriptures.

00:47:13.220 He goes, go keep an eye on Jeremiah.

00:47:15.300 Make sure he's not causing me too much trouble.

00:47:17.780 Fast forward 2,500 years and recently they're digging in the city of David and they find

00:47:23.340 51 seals out of the ground, clay seals that are used to seal documents.

00:47:29.020 The documents are lost, but the seals are preserved.

00:47:31.940 And one of the seals, Jehukal, son of Shalamiah.

00:47:36.360 The other one, Gedaliah, son of Pashur.

00:47:39.400 Boom.

00:47:40.220 Suddenly, like out of the Bible, jump these two guys into the face of history.

00:47:46.740 And suddenly you realize there really was a Jehukal.

00:47:50.920 There really was a Gedaliah.

00:47:52.060 There really was a Jeremiah.

00:47:53.440 And there really was a Zedekiah.

00:47:55.120 And all these events, you can disagree with the theology.

00:47:58.380 You can reject the miracles.

00:47:59.520 But the fact of the matter is the historicity of the Bible is being proved every day.

00:48:05.280 Well, that's why they put the Golden Dome on top, because what's underneath that proves

00:48:10.020 all the history of the Bible.

00:48:12.220 And they don't want us to get to it.

00:48:14.280 And you can't dig there.

00:48:15.420 No.

00:48:15.940 Right.

00:48:16.420 But, you know, something will happen and, you know, God's got it all figured out how the

00:48:22.360 movie will go.

00:48:23.780 Yeah.

00:48:24.300 I mean, you're right.

00:48:24.900 Earthquake stuff.

00:48:26.400 What's this?

00:48:26.880 The earthquake stuff.

00:48:28.820 Well, I've thought for a long time, because, you know, I studied deep Torah.

00:48:32.920 And, you know, and plus I'm kind of crazy.

00:48:37.660 And I dream things.

00:48:40.620 Go for it.

00:48:41.420 Something's about to come out.

00:48:42.740 Like you're about to disgorge.

00:48:44.260 No, I see things.

00:48:45.700 And then they happen.

00:48:46.740 My son knows it.

00:48:47.940 And my family knows it.

00:48:49.140 But, you know, about all five, I don't know how long ago, because time doesn't work for

00:48:54.800 me.

00:48:55.560 But I just said, there's going to be a big earthquake in Jerusalem.

00:48:59.760 And, you know, I just thought that.

00:49:01.720 And then, so I was studying the Star of Jacob that came Friday night, and my mom saw it.

00:49:07.860 She said the whole sky was whirling in colors.

00:49:11.380 And, you know, and I told her about it.

00:49:14.460 Then I fell asleep.

00:49:15.480 But my mom didn't see it.

00:49:18.500 And so, you know, and it's Atlas III, I-II, and all that stuff with the seven comets coming.

00:49:25.180 Some say the Star of Bethlehem returning, all this stuff.

00:49:29.040 But it also, because when the UN, when all those nations voted for the Palestinian state,

00:49:37.740 you know, on target, that was the kickoff of Gog and Magog.

00:49:42.260 And so, that's a sign of Messiah.

00:49:47.940 So, it says that after, and also, in Zohar, it predicts that comet to the day, the 27th.

00:49:57.940 On a Friday, it predicts it to the date.

00:50:00.900 And the Star of Jacob.

00:50:02.640 So, it says that after the Star of Jacob, after Gog and Magog, comes the Star of Jacob.

00:50:09.380 And 70 days after that, we'll find out if I'm right.

00:50:12.960 But I read it.

00:50:13.860 It goes, an earthquake hits Jerusalem.

00:50:16.660 And I went, wow, there's another thing that I thought.

00:50:20.960 And then I read.

00:50:22.480 But so, now we'll see if it's right.

00:50:24.360 Let's time-staff this podcast.

00:50:25.840 Okay, so it says 70 days after Gog and Magog's onset and the Star of Jacob comes, 70 days

00:50:34.800 after that comes, a major earthquake in Jerusalem.

00:50:39.680 And shortly thereafter comes Messiah.

00:50:42.180 So, we'll see.

00:50:43.960 But that's what it says.

00:50:45.100 Well, you know, this is how the future connects weirdly with the past, because there is currently

00:50:50.460 a debate between two groups of scholars about the location of Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:50:58.340 There is a...

00:50:59.000 San Francisco?

00:50:59.820 No, okay.

00:51:01.240 Good one.

00:51:03.200 Good one.

00:51:04.500 That may be the modern-day recreation of it.

00:51:07.900 Oh, okay.

00:51:08.320 Where does it say?

00:51:09.480 Well, all right.

00:51:10.120 So, Sodom historically was believed to be at the southern end of the Dead Sea, on the Jordan

00:51:15.720 side of the Dead Sea, on the southern tip.

00:51:19.660 That's where Albright, one of the founders of biblical archaeology, thought it was.

00:51:23.940 And that place was destroyed by a massive earthquake at right about the right time.

00:51:28.700 This is what kind of brought it to my mind.

00:51:31.580 But this is kind of how...

00:51:33.220 This is a fascinating element of biblical archaeology.

00:51:35.380 Another group of archaeologists said, the site cannot be there, because in the Bible

00:51:41.780 it says that Abraham and Lot were standing on a mountain, and they decided, you know,

00:51:47.540 one of you go this direction, the other go that direction.

00:51:50.240 And it says, and Lot looked toward the Jordan Valley, right?

00:51:54.740 And he saw that it was very fertile, and then he moved in that direction, quote, as far

00:51:59.700 as Sodom.

00:52:00.500 So, according to these biblical archaeologists, they're like, you can't see the southern end

00:52:04.920 of the Dead Sea from this spot.

00:52:06.740 What you can see is the northern end of the Dead Sea, and so Sodom, if the Bible is right,

00:52:11.660 would need to be there.

00:52:12.580 So, they go and start digging.

00:52:14.180 Sure enough, as they dig, they find ashes, people blown to smithereens.

00:52:18.740 Now, interestingly, that destruction, which also happens at the same time...

00:52:22.640 This is why there's a debate.

00:52:23.820 Both cities were totally destroyed.

00:52:26.120 But in the case of the northern location, seemingly by some sort of a meteoric blast, where the

00:52:33.480 meteor disintegrated in the sky, and essentially everything was obliterated completely into

00:52:39.700 ash, and the remnants of the ash are there.

00:52:41.860 So, the key to the biblical archaeology is not the Bible says it, therefore it has to

00:52:46.300 be here.

00:52:47.000 It's the Bible says it, so let's go and take a look.

00:52:49.580 It's a beautiful marriage of sort of theology and science.

00:52:53.860 Yeah, that's what it is.

00:52:54.900 That's exactly what it is.

00:52:56.740 And that's why, when I came across it, Debbie and I were looking at each other, we're like,

00:53:00.280 why isn't this being shouted from the rooftops of every synagogue and church?

00:53:04.200 Because we're not, you know, young people are trained in the language of history and

00:53:08.700 of secular reason.

00:53:10.260 And I feel that almost as if, as the world has become more secular, as the world has

00:53:14.600 pulled away from God, it's like God is like, all right, I'm going to send you a message,

00:53:18.600 but I'm going to send it to you in your modern secular language through science, and you're

00:53:24.020 going to be looking at seals and stones and tablets, and you're not going to know what

00:53:28.200 to do with it, because all this stuff that you thought was mythical, you know, you have

00:53:32.680 these literary critics in the 19th century sitting around going, the Bible was written

00:53:36.540 hundreds of years later by people who made half the stuff up.

00:53:39.440 Now, let's test that.

00:53:41.660 That's right.

00:53:42.040 If you lived 300 years after King Zedekiah, would you have known the names of these two

00:53:47.800 junior officials at the court?

00:53:49.700 Probably not.

00:53:50.340 There's no way you would have known that.

00:53:51.780 That's right.

00:53:52.440 It had to have, the information had to have come by someone very close to those events,

00:53:56.920 and this can be said of the entire Hebrew, and I would add Christian scriptures.

00:54:01.360 There's an authenticity to it.

00:54:03.080 I would say every modern scientific discovery and archaeological discovery only proves the

00:54:08.360 existence of the truth in the Bible and of God.

00:54:11.060 Absolutely.

00:54:11.580 So the skeptics now are reduced to, well, we still haven't found Noah's Ark.

00:54:16.840 We still haven't found the Tower of Babel.

00:54:18.600 Okay, granted, we haven't found certain things, but let's ask this question.

00:54:23.120 Can you cite, and I do this in the film, to an old guy who's been doing archaeology for

00:54:28.940 40 years in Israel, I go, can you name a single archaeological finding that disputes

00:54:35.620 or contradicts the Bible?

00:54:37.940 And he's like, no.

00:54:39.500 And in fact, none exists.

00:54:41.400 So this alone is very telling, because applying the old idea of the philosopher Karl Popper,

00:54:48.700 refutation is the essence of science.

00:54:50.940 If you haven't found Noah's Ark, well, keep looking.

00:54:53.140 It might turn up 50 years from now.

00:54:55.220 Maybe it was destroyed.

00:54:57.200 So that proves nothing.

00:54:58.940 But if you can find something where the Bible says X, and you can now prove Y, well, then

00:55:03.880 you've got a point.

00:55:05.760 But they don't have a point.

00:55:08.720 Well, you know, in deep teachings, it says that, you know, the messianic, you know, the

00:55:16.760 messianic times will be where it all goes together, where God is proven by science, and science

00:55:25.000 is affected by that.

00:55:26.520 But, you know, like, I can't remember who says it, but that hell is the place where there

00:55:32.820 is no reason.

00:55:35.140 Don't you love that?

00:55:36.400 I love that.

00:55:37.260 I love that.

00:55:37.920 But all of our stuff is going to come together, where science and the belief in God are going

00:55:47.200 to be the very same thing.

00:55:49.260 That's what I think is our next, I hate to say evolution, but growth, acknowledgement,

00:55:58.260 healing of all the splits we got in us.

00:56:02.940 It's so true.

00:56:05.960 Yeah, no, it's absolutely right.

00:56:08.220 So, you know, I think we're at a moment now, much more than I've seen in my lifetime, where

00:56:14.480 the political, the cultural, the moral, the spiritual, all these rivers are intersecting.

00:56:21.600 And we sort of now have to look at the events in front of us through all these prisms.

00:56:27.940 One of them is not sufficient.

00:56:30.240 We use, for example, the Middle East.

00:56:31.620 You know, people have been trying to solve the Middle East politically for 50 years or more.

00:56:36.640 I remember when I first came to America, there was a Carter peace plan, and there was a Reagan

00:56:40.760 plan, the Clinton plan, the Obama, of course, we know about Obama.

00:56:45.200 No one has fixed it, right?

00:56:47.680 If they would just shut up and let God fix it, it'd get fixed real quick.

00:56:53.200 But, you know, the people that are in the way, the fixers, you know, they're not, they

00:56:58.460 don't have the right mentality or heart to fix nothing because they're just in there

00:57:03.560 for the grift.

00:57:04.500 Let's be real.

00:57:05.340 So if people of God got together and just prayed together and let things alone, I think

00:57:12.760 it ought to be the big fix.

00:57:14.340 I think also I'm finding on social media these days, like, the depth of ignorance is very

00:57:20.300 deep.

00:57:21.340 Oh, it's deeper than I ever feared.

00:57:23.940 So people say, like, the Jews don't really belong in that land, but you know what?

00:57:28.280 The Palestinians do.

00:57:29.680 Well, let's take a minute for it.

00:57:30.960 Let's put the Jews aside for a moment.

00:57:32.240 Let's look at the Palestinian side.

00:57:33.580 That area called Gaza, right?

00:57:36.000 Which was Philistine territory.

00:57:37.420 And granted, there is this kind of onomatological or name similarity between the Philistines and

00:57:44.080 the Palestinians.

00:57:44.960 But it should be very clear.

00:57:46.140 Those are not the same people.

00:57:47.560 So the Philistines were called the Sea Peoples.

00:57:49.820 They came from Europe.

00:57:51.140 They came from the Aegean.

00:57:52.560 They were from places like Cyprus.

00:57:54.820 So they inhabited that land.

00:57:57.940 Palestinians are just Arabs who essentially either colonized or infiltrated that land,

00:58:04.460 and they didn't even do so as Palestinians.

00:58:07.840 Recently, when I did a conversation in Jerusalem a few weeks ago with Moab Hassan Youssef, the

00:58:13.480 son of Hamas.

00:58:14.660 Yeah, this guy.

00:58:16.020 I love the fact that he's like, Dinesh, he's like, there's no such thing as a Palestinian.

00:58:21.580 He's like, there's Palestinianism.

00:58:23.760 And I'd never heard that term.

00:58:24.940 I was like, Palestinianism.

00:58:26.100 That's interesting.

00:58:27.020 He's like, there is an ideology.

00:58:29.180 But there isn't, in fact.

00:58:30.900 I mean, as you know, as well as anyone else, but maybe the audience doesn't all know,

00:58:34.980 the name Palestine was inflicted on the Jews by the Romans as a punishment.

00:58:41.300 Yes, absolutely.

00:58:41.880 The Jews are doing the Jewish revolts.

00:58:43.840 The Romans are like, we'll teach you a lesson.

00:58:45.680 Let's take the name of your ancient enemy, Philistine, and we're going to rename your

00:58:50.280 country, your nation, Palestine.

00:58:52.820 That's how we get Palestine until the Egyptian Yasser Arafat goes, nice name.

00:58:58.120 I think we're going to call ourselves Palestinians.

00:59:00.020 Well, he got it from the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was Hitler's friend.

00:59:05.060 And they brainwashed him and raised him.

00:59:08.960 He was a royal Egyptian.

00:59:11.160 He was of the royal house of Egypt.

00:59:14.120 And, you know, they invented this whole way to rid not only, they wanted to chase all

00:59:23.120 the Jews from Europe to the Middle East and kill them there.

00:59:27.060 It was a continuum.

00:59:29.300 Yeah.

00:59:29.420 And the Arabs fought for Germany in the Middle East.

00:59:33.420 And everybody wants to forget that.

00:59:35.200 But Glenn Beck, he has a museum and he has the uniform of the Arabs who fought for the

00:59:43.180 Third Reich.

00:59:44.300 And it's the sword of Islam over the swastika.

00:59:48.840 Yeah.

00:59:49.140 And people don't want to know that either.

00:59:50.940 But, you know, that's what jihad is, is the Third Reich.

00:59:54.700 Yeah.

00:59:55.180 And you see it, I think, in October 7th.

00:59:57.240 One of our decisions in this film is, how do we start the film?

01:00:03.160 And I'm like, well, if you're making a movie about World War II and the Pacific War, you

01:00:06.500 have to start with Pearl Harbor.

01:00:07.660 That's what got it going.

01:00:09.040 So we want to start with October 7th.

01:00:10.900 And I think the most significant thing about October 7th is that it was filmed by Hamas.

01:00:16.760 Yeah.

01:00:17.440 We make the point in the film that even the Nazis did not parade their atrocities in Germany.

01:00:24.300 They hid them.

01:00:24.680 And they put all the death camps in Poland in occupied territories, whereas Hamas was

01:00:29.920 really proud of what it did.

01:00:32.000 And so the eerie feeling of watching the film when you start it is you're seeing it, but

01:00:37.260 you're not seeing it from the point of view of the victims.

01:00:39.000 Normally, if you're showing a home invasion, it's the people in the house, but you're seeing

01:00:43.420 it from the point of view of the home invader.

01:00:45.200 It's almost like you have a GoPro and you're riding into Israel with Hamas.

01:00:48.960 Why?

01:00:49.200 Because they're filming it.

01:00:50.880 And I also think what's really eerie is we were in like Nahalaz, the kibbutz.

01:00:56.800 So we're talking to Lishai Maran, whose husband is a hostage.

01:01:01.860 In fact, I just saw it on social media just minutes ago before we started talking that Hamas

01:01:08.740 is now claiming they can't find him, that he's, quote, disappeared.

01:01:12.120 They've lost him.

01:01:13.160 Right.

01:01:13.780 But we're talking to Lishai and we're standing like 700 yards from the Gaza border.

01:01:19.020 You can actually hear bombs, machine gun fire going off in the background.

01:01:22.860 And, you know, Lishai is talking about what happened on that day, how these guys came through

01:01:27.560 the window.

01:01:28.300 They're heavily armed.

01:01:29.260 She and her husband and their two children ran into the safe room.

01:01:33.540 So the terrorists go next door and there's a teenage boy over there.

01:01:37.460 They grab him and they bring him over and they tell him, listen.

01:01:41.080 So the teenage boy knocks on the door and says, please open the door because if you don't

01:01:44.600 open the door, they're going to kill me and then they're going to kill you.

01:01:46.900 So they open the door.

01:01:48.340 Right.

01:01:48.840 But as we're talking and all of this is in the film, Debbie says, we actually have that

01:01:55.160 footage.

01:01:55.520 In other words, from all the live streaming that Hamas did while Lishai is talking, it's

01:02:00.820 not a case that we're recreating it.

01:02:02.820 We have the original footage.

01:02:04.000 You can actually see the people coming in the window.

01:02:06.220 You can see them in our house.

01:02:07.780 So the event comes alive.

01:02:10.320 And this to me is the essence of good filmmaking.

01:02:12.380 In my earlier 2000 mules, I wanted to show the 2020 election fraud by putting you on the

01:02:17.560 scene.

01:02:17.920 You're standing there.

01:02:19.320 Here's a mail-in drop box.

01:02:21.000 Here's a guy pulling up in a car in the middle of the night.

01:02:23.160 He looks left and right to make sure no one sees him.

01:02:25.720 He's got a big backpack of ballots.

01:02:27.240 You can see it.

01:02:28.100 I don't have to tell you about it.

01:02:29.660 And the same here.

01:02:30.460 I want people to at least to a limited degree experience October 7th.

01:02:35.580 And that's why we've got like, we have a little bit of a graphic warning and it is a little

01:02:40.060 arresting, but it's not.

01:02:41.320 It's something we need to watch.

01:02:44.260 It's essential for a right understanding of what's going on.

01:02:47.280 Well, it's a snuff film.

01:02:49.920 And, you know, when Israel wanted to enter it into a Canadian film festival, they wouldn't

01:02:56.220 allow them to because they said they didn't get this for satanic.

01:03:01.160 They, that it was Hamas owns the footage.

01:03:05.060 Oh, wow.

01:03:05.880 And they denied Israel.

01:03:07.020 Have you guys got permission from Hamas to use this footage?

01:03:09.700 That's what they said.

01:03:10.280 Really?

01:03:10.640 And so Israel said, no, we don't have permission from Hamas.

01:03:14.520 Well, then we'll have to expel you from the film festival because the footage belongs to

01:03:19.120 Hamas.

01:03:19.560 It's their intellectual property.

01:03:21.720 So that's like putting, if, if Ted Bundy had filmed all of his murders and, you know,

01:03:28.860 dismemberments of these women, that's like they would put that film out and people would

01:03:35.940 watch it and identify with Ted Bundy.

01:03:38.160 If that isn't some satanic mind control, I don't know what is.

01:03:43.060 It's to get people to identify with the aggressor and the murderer.

01:03:47.860 I mean, I'm not saying that, I'm just saying, and that's what happened because people saw the

01:03:58.000 girl's body.

01:03:59.300 They saw the girl's bloody pants.

01:04:02.340 They saw her broken in half and the, and the day after worldwide, it popped up with

01:04:10.840 tents, with the same signs on October 8th, worldwide.

01:04:15.900 Like does a grassroots movement, uh, pop up overnight worldwide, uh, with the same signs,

01:04:24.680 the same tents, everything.

01:04:26.840 Does that happen or was that planned for a really long time?

01:04:30.220 And it was, and they're cheering for murder and rape.

01:04:36.300 And Israel becomes the only, the raped Israelis become the only women on earth who are denied

01:04:44.860 the ability to name their rapists under international law.

01:04:50.320 I mean, if this isn't satanic, I don't know what is.

01:04:53.700 Well, I think it also helps to italicize the true test of antisemitism.

01:05:01.140 I say this because, as you know, a lot of young people have become a little like, uh,

01:05:04.560 resistant, like, because they think that if you say antisemite, you're trying to shut them

01:05:08.800 up, prevent them from asking questions.

01:05:10.700 Hey, I refuse to be silenced, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:12.820 I can, and I'm allowed to criticize the, uh, Israeli government by saying women, these Israeli

01:05:20.320 women deserve to be raped and they're demonic.

01:05:22.960 Well, I'm sorry, but that isn't criticizing the Israeli government.

01:05:27.000 Right.

01:05:27.600 That's something way different.

01:05:29.100 So the standard, I think this is a, ties right into what you were saying is, look, if you are

01:05:35.560 applying a different standard to the Jews and to Israel than you apply to anyone else,

01:05:40.900 then boom, your motives are suspect right there.

01:05:44.660 So let's, let's take an example.

01:05:45.780 Uh, nobody denies that when the Japanese came and pulverized Pearl Harbor, the United

01:05:51.840 States was A, correct to be outraged, B, correct to declare war on Japan.

01:05:57.760 You can debate whether the atomic bomb should have been dropped, but even the people who say

01:06:01.520 the atomic bombs should not have been dropped agree that a U.S. land invasion of Japan, which

01:06:06.640 was the alternative, should, would have been legitimate.

01:06:09.400 So no one said things like, well, let's count the number of civilians who were killed at

01:06:14.280 Pearl Harbor and then let's limit U.S. retaliation to exactly that number.

01:06:19.100 And if the U.S. goes above that number, it is, this is a moral horror and the United States

01:06:24.140 now becomes the villain and Japan becomes the victim.

01:06:27.160 No one takes this position, but they take the position on October 7th.

01:06:32.120 So, that tells me something's up because suddenly the standard, or, or even apply the same logic

01:06:39.460 individually, right?

01:06:40.680 If, if, if, if I'm in my house with my family, we're all eating dinner and some home invaders

01:06:45.520 come breaking in.

01:06:46.460 They like start firing shots, they kill my wife, they, they, they rape my daughter, they

01:06:52.100 do this and that, then they run away.

01:06:53.700 And then I, I grab my gun, I chase after them.

01:06:56.380 They go into a car or a van, they come out, they've got their own kids and they grab their

01:07:00.940 own kids and stick them in front of them.

01:07:02.600 And they go, you can't shoot because you're not allowed to shoot civilians.

01:07:06.740 I got some civilians right here.

01:07:08.420 Most people would say they are the ones putting their own kids in danger.

01:07:13.320 You have every right to retaliate.

01:07:15.920 It's not your job to watch out for their kids.

01:07:18.580 It's their job to put their kids to the side and, and, and face you straight out.

01:07:23.140 So, this is such a, a miniature replication of what's going on with Hamas and the idea

01:07:29.020 that you could blame the victim of the home invasion, in this case, Israel, is just morally

01:07:34.820 preposterous.

01:07:36.680 And yet...

01:07:37.160 It's satanic.

01:07:37.720 It's satanic.

01:07:38.900 Inversion.

01:07:39.660 It is satanic.

01:07:40.360 It is an inversion.

01:07:41.960 And also, what other army do they go?

01:07:44.660 Did you feed the people that are holding your hostages and keeping the war going?

01:07:49.140 Are you, are you giving them enough food every day?

01:07:52.040 Let me give, let me, I was watching, Debbie and I watching, this is about a year ago, Netflix

01:07:55.760 had a very interesting documentary in World War II.

01:07:59.880 New footage of a lot of those bombing raids.

01:08:03.200 And, and I will never forget this conversation with one of the bombing commanders.

01:08:06.720 He said he was dispatched on a bombing raid and he looks at his orders and he's asked to hit a target.

01:08:13.120 I think this was either Dresden or Hamburg.

01:08:14.900 And he goes, what's the target?

01:08:17.180 And they go, there are 20,000 women and children sheltering in this building.

01:08:21.680 And he goes, I'm not going to bomb a building with 20,000 women and children.

01:08:25.180 They don't have anything to do with this.

01:08:26.840 They're not combatants in this war.

01:08:29.280 And his general goes, it's an order.

01:08:32.280 And so the guy goes, so I did it.

01:08:34.720 Because he goes, I didn't have a choice.

01:08:36.660 But he goes, I haven't been able to live with it to this day.

01:08:39.800 Now, my point is, the, in the logic of World War II, and let's remember, Churchill and FDR

01:08:46.500 were very concerned that the German public supported Hitler and they were hanging with Hitler to the end

01:08:53.760 and that the German refusal to surrender was coming in part from the fact that the German public was saying,

01:08:59.840 no, we think we can turn it around.

01:09:02.000 And so the, and here we're not even talking, Israel doesn't even do this.

01:09:05.760 We're talking about a direct targeted attack on civilians to break the will of the German people.

01:09:13.060 I think probably, I mean, it's, it's a horrific thing.

01:09:15.820 There's no question about it.

01:09:17.800 Churchill thought there was no alternative to doing, to doing it.

01:09:21.160 And this is part of the dirtiness of war.

01:09:23.600 But again, Israel goes out of its way.

01:09:26.700 We were talking to guys who go, you know, you can't imagine how many both soldiers and Israeli dogs have been killed

01:09:33.000 because they plant all these devices.

01:09:34.480 So it's much easier to carpet bomb Gaza, but they don't do it.

01:09:39.220 They're doing it almost with moral scruples all the way and they're getting blamed for it.

01:09:45.200 Right.

01:09:45.640 Yeah.

01:09:46.120 So that's why everybody's mad over in Israel at Bibi, because why didn't, they're like,

01:09:50.940 why didn't you just go all out and start dragging it out all this time?

01:09:54.880 Because obviously they never released the hostages.

01:09:58.380 So that means they didn't want the war to end because who steals hostages?

01:10:04.060 And then refuses to release them, even though they're losing.

01:10:07.680 Who keeps the war going?

01:10:09.600 I mean, the guilty.

01:10:11.360 Certainly not victims of genocide.

01:10:13.380 Certainly not people who say they're the victims who hold the keys to the end of the war in their hands,

01:10:19.780 in their tunnels.

01:10:20.460 And then people are still like, the poor, those poor perpetrators, those poor murderers, rapists, and baby killers,

01:10:30.660 those poor, poor people.

01:10:33.280 They could end the war in a second.

01:10:35.220 It's Satanism.

01:10:36.540 I think it is certain.

01:10:37.240 They're satanic, and they all are brainwashed, and they won't survive.

01:10:41.840 The farther they go down that road, young people, the farther you go down that road,

01:10:46.440 the worse it's going to get for you.

01:10:49.200 And, you know, I want to wake them up.

01:10:50.960 I really, really do, because I like children.

01:10:54.020 I hate to see them used to destroy themselves in some lemming programming.

01:10:59.520 American boys that listen to Nick Fuentes and all those people, they've got to get some balls.

01:11:07.840 He's just taking their balls away, because he's obviously gay as hell.

01:11:12.420 Everybody knows it.

01:11:13.520 All these guys are, I won't even go into that.

01:11:16.340 But, you know, they've got to stand up and get some balls for their country,

01:11:20.800 because they don't want to lose their rights.

01:11:25.200 They don't want to lose America.

01:11:26.560 They don't want it to become a caliphate, for God's sake,

01:11:30.160 just because they have secret fantasies of wearing pink panties and skirts.

01:11:34.740 They better man up.

01:11:37.260 I'm telling you, get off those games and man up.

01:11:41.660 Yeah.

01:11:42.040 I mean, the pastors need to speak up more.

01:11:45.080 They have themselves been—

01:11:46.960 Or step aside.

01:11:47.820 I mean, if you're on the devil's side, may God remove you.

01:11:52.480 I don't mean from the earth, but from power and any kind of position.

01:11:57.260 And just may you be replaced by a patriot who really knows what America's about.

01:12:01.840 That's my prayer for it.

01:12:04.060 Yeah.

01:12:04.300 A lot of these guys are just, you know, they—

01:12:07.160 This is a controversial topic.

01:12:09.200 You know, I don't want people to be leaving my congregation over this.

01:12:13.620 Pink panties.

01:12:14.220 We're in pink panties, I tell you.

01:12:16.960 It's the—no, it's—I mean, put it this way.

01:12:19.220 Like, what is your business?

01:12:21.320 I mean, you're in the business of selling morality.

01:12:26.760 Supposed to be saving souls.

01:12:26.900 Supposed to be saving souls and lifting souls.

01:12:29.820 Supposed to be lifting morals and souls, not denigrating them.

01:12:34.240 Yeah, no, that's totally right.

01:12:35.840 Not rubbing men's face in the dirt and saying, you know, you've got to help people who want to kill you.

01:12:41.200 Now, I've got to tell—I've got to have you explain, Jake, you sent me a beautiful note after you and your mom saw this film.

01:12:48.560 I've got to say, it was one of the most moving things I've seen.

01:12:50.660 Thank you.

01:12:50.980 I read it to Debbie allowed.

01:12:51.780 I used ChatGPT to write that.

01:12:54.860 That's right.

01:12:55.400 It wasn't even me.

01:12:56.940 We wrote that.

01:12:57.960 I'm kidding.

01:12:58.460 I said, write something moving for Dinesh.

01:13:00.280 We've got to keep him happy.

01:13:01.160 We've watched his film.

01:13:02.720 No, we were—

01:13:03.320 We can talk about it.

01:13:03.820 I wanted to—thank you for setting me up.

01:13:05.800 I was just going to do this.

01:13:06.660 We've got to talk about this film before he leaves because—

01:13:09.120 Well, we actually have been.

01:13:10.060 No, I know, but—

01:13:10.780 This is all the meat and the film.

01:13:12.500 But I mean, specifically this film.

01:13:14.240 It was beautiful.

01:13:14.700 We loved it.

01:13:16.360 Mind-blown.

01:13:17.160 And I just got to tell you that the message I sent you from us was, of course, real.

01:13:20.780 It wasn't ChatGPT.

01:13:21.540 But we were truly touched because, you know, as you can see, we're very passionate about this.

01:13:27.240 We talk about this every week.

01:13:28.220 We've been seeing this since the beginning.

01:13:30.880 And we don't feel like there's other people that validate our opinions.

01:13:35.060 We feel alone a lot of the times.

01:13:36.560 And we'll go out and we'll talk to people.

01:13:37.720 Like, you're just—you know, like, even Tucker, you're not even the Jews of the Bible or whatever these people are saying, which is terrifying shit.

01:13:44.040 But so to see an actual movie that touches on the Bible—you touch on archaeology, all the stuff we talk—but it validates what we've been saying.

01:13:54.220 It really did touch us because we didn't feel alone after.

01:13:57.600 We felt like, okay, there are good people out there that see it, too.

01:14:01.860 And I can't tell you how good that feels.

01:14:04.020 I mean, I'm getting emotional.

01:14:05.260 Like, it's a scary time.

01:14:07.320 It's a very scary time.

01:14:08.100 I have young children, and I needed that so deeply.

01:14:12.100 So thank you so much.

01:14:13.640 Because I'm like, is this the time for Jews to leave America?

01:14:16.620 I mean, maybe.

01:14:17.300 I don't know.

01:14:17.780 I'm not going to leave.

01:14:18.320 We have guns now.

01:14:19.120 I'm not scared this time.

01:14:20.840 We have guns.

01:14:21.680 But it is terrifying that it's the right wing.

01:14:25.580 That's the one thing the right and left agree on is the hatred of Jews.

01:14:29.200 They disagree on everything.

01:14:30.440 They hate each other.

01:14:31.060 They're mortal enemies.

01:14:32.060 And even after Charlie Kirk shooting—I said this on the podcast last week—we've been waiting for this moment as Republicans for so long.

01:14:39.900 We finally have it now, the moral authority to say the left is the violent ones.

01:14:43.940 The violence is coming from you.

01:14:45.160 Yeah, totally.

01:14:45.520 We can win the next 10 elections.

01:14:47.340 We've fought so hard.

01:14:48.580 And as soon as it happened, Candace, Tucker, Nick Quintus, they turned their cameras on, and they go, it was the Jews.

01:14:53.620 And they blew it.

01:14:54.620 They blew MAGA.

01:14:56.380 Right.

01:14:57.120 And this is a point that a lot of these young MAGA people don't get.

01:15:01.360 Okay, so let's look at the Charlie Kirk assassination.

01:15:03.320 You've got this twisted kid who is so-called dating a trans, whatever that even means.

01:15:13.320 Our theory, Debbie's and mine, is that some of this trans stuff is these are basically people who are gay, but they're raised in a conservative household.

01:15:21.800 That's right.

01:15:22.360 So they think they have to go trans.

01:15:24.340 Right.

01:15:24.740 So they basically go, well, you know, think of this kid.

01:15:27.580 He was raised in a law enforcement household.

01:15:30.640 I'm sure his parents were like, what?

01:15:32.260 You're gay?

01:15:32.600 So he's like, no, I'm not gay.

01:15:34.000 I'm actually dating a woman.

01:15:35.360 Yeah, true.

01:15:35.800 It's, you know, I forget the guy's name, but, you know, it's a man becoming a woman.

01:15:39.780 But, you know, but we're in our own way mirroring the heterosexual lifestyle.

01:15:44.880 Anyway, and then you have all these reports which remain to be investigated that there were these trans chat groups that knew about it beforehand.

01:15:55.360 They're like something big is going to happen tomorrow.

01:15:57.140 This is like on the record.

01:15:58.320 A hundred percent.

01:15:58.720 And they had a book on Amazon two days before.

01:16:03.200 Yeah, that is true, too.

01:16:04.440 Oh, and then leave aside basically carving your motives on the bullets.

01:16:08.820 You know, this is something I've never even heard of, which is like, catch this fascist.

01:16:12.540 And so we got them and it's like dead to rights.

01:16:17.060 And then just when you're like, okay, you know what?

01:16:20.420 This is the time to crack down on Antifa.

01:16:22.580 Some of these trans groups have this military training.

01:16:25.420 They train for violence.

01:16:26.640 Okay, we need to stop this stuff.

01:16:27.900 And then right at that moment, from the right, unexpectedly, like your right window gets blown out.

01:16:35.860 And you've got these people whom some of whom you, I mean, in our case, we know.

01:16:39.780 Yeah.

01:16:39.980 We don't know Nick Fuentes, but we know Candace, we know Tucker.

01:16:43.440 And suddenly you're getting a, no, it's not the trans, it's not the trans leftist.

01:16:48.640 It's Netanyahu.

01:16:49.880 It's Mossad.

01:16:51.680 And it's not organic.

01:16:53.480 It's, you can feel it's not organic.

01:16:55.280 It comes from, it comes from a very weird place.

01:16:57.780 And even Ian Carroll, we had on this show, I tell people all this time, we had met him outside.

01:17:01.760 We had him on the show, everyone was mad at us.

01:17:03.760 But outside, I'm like, what is going on?

01:17:06.020 He's like.

01:17:06.340 Well, because I wanted to debate him.

01:17:07.880 Yeah, no, and he was respectful to his credit at the time.

01:17:10.220 But I got him.

01:17:11.260 We did.

01:17:11.640 But the point was, he had said, it's, he said to me, and I tell this all the time, even he knew it's not organic.

01:17:19.500 He said, the Fuentes stuff, this movement that he's a part of, I can tell you it's not organic.

01:17:24.760 That's what he said to me.

01:17:25.480 It's, it's, it's manufactured.

01:17:27.620 So even he knows that.

01:17:30.180 I can't get my mind around it.

01:17:31.080 Let's talk about the Qatar angle here a little bit.

01:17:33.580 Hello.

01:17:33.740 Because this is key.

01:17:34.580 They own all our universities, our state department.

01:17:37.580 This is the point.

01:17:38.240 And, you know, they're Obamites.

01:17:40.700 Who's, honey, who, who was I talking to the other day?

01:17:42.860 And the guy goes, he goes, Dinesh, he goes, you know, listen.

01:17:45.860 And he goes, I can tell you that Israel has a lot of influence because I'm constantly being invited on free trips to Israel.

01:17:53.620 And I've never been invited on a free trip to Qatar.

01:17:56.680 And I was like, that's because the Qataris, first of all, they are going after the institutions at the root.

01:18:04.720 Yeah, they're not going to invite you on a free trip.

01:18:06.640 That's because they own the political science department at like 12 major universities.

01:18:10.940 They end out chairs.

01:18:12.760 They take over these institutions.

01:18:14.680 They put a lot of money into Hollywood.

01:18:17.400 So, I mean, you're talking about, first of all, 2 billion people in the Muslim world.

01:18:23.300 You're talking about massively oil-rich countries.

01:18:26.160 Qatar, you know, the Qataris basically joke that they're the chosen people because none of them have to work.

01:18:31.960 And basically oil comes out of the ground and it's like dollar bills are flying into the air.

01:18:36.060 And they're like, obviously God must have liked what he saw when he saw that he made us.

01:18:40.060 So, these people are using their, and who was the guy?

01:18:44.620 Oh, Mossab.

01:18:45.240 Mossab told me, he goes, it's financial jihad.

01:18:47.940 Yep.

01:18:48.160 It is financial jihad.

01:18:49.140 They figured it out.

01:18:50.300 And, you know, Charlie Kirk, one of the last things he said, and I want to say this, is he said,

01:18:56.400 Islam is using the left to slit the West's throat.

01:18:59.520 And they shot him in the throat.

01:19:01.460 Okay, put those two things together.

01:19:03.880 I did think that that was so, that was, you know, you would expect a shooter to go for the chest.

01:19:07.680 It's just, it's so symbolic that they went for the throat.

01:19:11.560 And, I mean, I can't say, I mean, probably none of us is really over it even now.

01:19:17.460 No, we'll never be over it.

01:19:18.640 I still wake up, first thing I think.

01:19:20.120 I don't think, I, I think there's a lot more lessons coming.

01:19:28.440 And we're going to find out a lot more.

01:19:30.360 And, you know, I hope that we are still mentally alive enough to be able to accept the truth.

01:19:42.740 And we don't rationalize it away going, oh no, it was, BB came in there.

01:19:48.100 He, he flew on, in on a private plane there and just, Orem, Utah.

01:19:53.200 Utah, I hope we don't do that.

01:19:55.640 I hope we're strong enough and mentally capable enough to be able to witness the truth and not try to rationalize it away for our superstitions and our hatreds.

01:20:07.860 You know, I don't even really blame the young people so much.

01:20:10.460 I think the phrase that was used at Charlie's memorial was the lost generation.

01:20:14.820 And it is true that there is a generation of young people, they are the product of the most broken of broken families.

01:20:21.740 They don't have the opportunities that their parents did that I think, you know, Debbie and I struggled when we're both from other countries.

01:20:28.800 But we could buy a house and we could see the American dream.

01:20:33.280 And I can understand a certain sense of just despondency and even anomie that comes out of, like, I don't see a future.

01:20:40.900 I get all that.

01:20:42.060 And that's why I blame the professors and I blame the people in authority.

01:20:50.020 And so, you know, if we seem to be, like, focused on even the right-wing pundits, it's because when you're leading a lost generation, you have a lot of responsibility.

01:21:02.580 Yes, you do.

01:21:03.500 Not to be the Pied Piper that takes them off the cliff.

01:21:06.300 Right.

01:21:06.660 And if you are, and you do it knowingly, you're the apostle of Satan.

01:21:11.560 That's right.

01:21:12.260 I say that.

01:21:13.340 And you're doing the very people that you claim to be helping.

01:21:17.420 You're misleading them.

01:21:18.740 You're relying.

01:21:19.540 You're using what in rhetoric is called the argumentum ad ignorantium.

01:21:23.480 You're the argument that appeals to the ignorance of the audience.

01:21:26.740 You presume your audience is really stupid.

01:21:29.160 They don't know how stupid they are.

01:21:30.400 So you can tell them things and they go, wow.

01:21:33.780 It's like Candace.

01:21:34.380 That was when I came to television, what their attitude there was about working class people and why they hated me so bad.

01:21:42.160 Because I said, no, these people are smarter than you.

01:21:46.040 I'm not going to play down to them because they're not ignorant.

01:21:50.060 You are.

01:21:50.520 And that's why they hated me because, you know, I knew that I was there to uplift, not degrade.

01:21:58.260 And they're the same people in all those positions of that tastemaker position.

01:22:05.060 They have that same attitude of just despising their own audience.

01:22:13.340 It's horrible.

01:22:14.800 The other thing they're playing on, and this is the other feature of anti-Semitism that we haven't mentioned.

01:22:18.980 And it's raised briefly in the film that racism is different than anti-Semitism.

01:22:24.960 People think of the two as the same.

01:22:27.300 But racism is essentially, I'm up here.

01:22:30.420 I'm looking down at you.

01:22:31.840 And I'm like, you're inferior.

01:22:34.000 And so racism in that sense always has this downward trajectory.

01:22:39.420 Anti-Semitism is not like that because Jews are one of the most successful tribes in world history.

01:22:43.660 So, you know, as Netanyahu says to me in the film, he goes, we found this land.

01:22:48.640 It was mostly barren.

01:22:50.400 And he goes, and look what we did with it.

01:22:52.780 And he goes, and so we're going to keep it because we essentially built it.

01:22:57.080 It's kind of like saying we bought Manhattan from the Indians for 50 cents, but it was worth 50 cents.

01:23:03.400 There was nothing there.

01:23:04.920 We built it.

01:23:06.200 We created Manhattan.

01:23:07.700 And so the value is not in the original land even.

01:23:10.860 Like the pilgrims built America.

01:23:12.480 The pilgrims built America.

01:23:14.340 And I even have gotten into fights about the people.

01:23:16.880 Dinesh, you're an immigrant.

01:23:18.140 And I go, yeah, but immigrants didn't build America.

01:23:21.200 The settlers built America.

01:23:23.300 Immigrants immigrated to a good society that was better than their own, but that society already existed.

01:23:29.600 Right.

01:23:29.780 So we've contributed as immigrants to this society, but we are not its original builders.

01:23:35.500 The settlers built it.

01:23:36.440 It is about building, isn't it, rather than just destroying.

01:23:42.840 It's about whether you're going to create or destroy.

01:23:46.480 That's good and evil, too.

01:23:48.080 It's the same thing, same root.

01:23:49.980 It is.

01:23:51.040 And I think also, and Khan talks about this.

01:23:53.160 He goes, one of the signs of the last age is there will be not just an attack on God.

01:23:57.920 That's sort of a little more to be expected.

01:23:59.740 Not just an attack on the Jews and the Christians, but like an attack on productivity, on family, on community, on God's creation, on the distinction between men and women.

01:24:12.020 All the fundamental, human and rational, and even natural categories and affections, all of it will come under attack.

01:24:21.860 Yeah, like building community wealth is a bad thing now.

01:24:25.920 Right.

01:24:26.420 It's...

01:24:27.020 Every group, every tribe has built by helping its own.

01:24:33.440 You know?

01:24:33.700 Right.

01:24:34.040 The Mormons did it.

01:24:35.500 The Hindus do it.

01:24:37.400 The overseas Chinese did it in places like Malaysia.

01:24:41.460 And so, again, why are you singling out the Jews?

01:24:43.760 The Jews do it, but I know 10 other people who do it.

01:24:46.220 In fact, not only do I know 10 other people who do it, that is, in fact, the recipe for groups pulling themselves up out of discrimination and out of poverty.

01:24:55.600 That is the formula.

01:24:57.440 And not only that, but then when you have members of your group that do bad things, it's going to make your group look bad.

01:25:04.100 So, that's why, you know, people say, well, why are you, you know, why are you doing this?

01:25:08.260 Why are you making these racial judgments?

01:25:09.920 Well, unfortunately, when a lot of bad people are coming from one group, people are going to cast aspersions on the group.

01:25:17.220 Even the whole DEI phenomenon comes out of that.

01:25:20.600 Because you give preferences to a group, and the achievements of everybody in that group, not just the people who got the preference, all of them fall under suspicion.

01:25:30.140 Yep.

01:25:30.700 Well said.

01:25:31.600 Can I ask a quick question?

01:25:32.660 Sorry, in the Dragon's Prophecy, because we had Jonathan Connaught.

01:25:35.220 Do you think we're at the end days, you specifically?

01:25:40.800 Well, it all points to it.

01:25:42.360 Well, let me put it this way.

01:25:43.860 Because I do.

01:25:44.980 I want to know what you think.

01:25:45.320 I approach this from a much more kind of sort of secular mindset, I would say, than Khan.

01:25:51.400 And the way I look at it, there are people who are very ingenious in being able to read the fine print, so to speak, and even between the lines.

01:26:01.760 They'll read the book of Revelation, and they will give you a rather blow-by-blow chronology of the last days.

01:26:08.000 My view is that the book of Revelation is deliberately more veiled.

01:26:13.800 It's deliberately more obscure.

01:26:15.840 There's a lot of imagery and metaphor in it.

01:26:18.200 Now, Khan exploits this beautifully, right?

01:26:20.500 He talks about the colors of the apocalypse.

01:26:22.040 And I think in a beautiful transition, he goes, you know, he goes, the green for the green horse, the red for the red horse, the black for the black horse.

01:26:29.640 And now, let's take a look at the colors, not just with a Palestinian flag, but a lot of the other flags of the nearby Muslim countries, they've got the colors of the apocalypse.

01:26:39.260 And that's striking and interesting, right?

01:26:41.580 But my view is that when it comes to biblical prophecy, let's just focus on the really big stuff.

01:26:47.780 So, the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland, that's a big one.

01:26:53.660 And the reason it's a big one is because prophecy is impressive in direct proportion to its improbability, right?

01:27:00.580 If I toss a coin and I say, I'm going to call three heads in a row, and I get three heads, unlikely, but it could happen.

01:27:07.420 On the other hand, if I spin a roulette wheel that has 800 numbers on it, and I tell you, I'm going to call the number in advance, and then I do it, that's pretty impressive because the chances I could do that.

01:27:16.300 Yeah, so what are the chances?

01:27:17.500 If you lived, let's just say, in, you know, 180 or 580, and someone told you, these Jews are all over the world, scattered, are going to return, not just going to return together, they're going to return to the place that they came from, they're going to revive the Hebrew language after 2,000 years, they're going to eat the same food and celebrate the same holidays and worship the same God, most people would think you're nuts.

01:27:42.460 In fact, when I came to America, the Shah was in charge in Iran.

01:27:45.600 If you were to tell me that there's going to be a jihadi revolution, and it's going to be led by the Muslims and the Bible points to Iran, I would say, well, that's not going to happen because look at the Shah, he's pro-Western, he's pro-Israel.

01:27:57.980 So it took the Khomeini revolution to move us where that passage in the Bible becomes more plausible.

01:28:06.080 So my view is just this, where we don't know anything about the date or time of these events, but we can see signs that some of the broad trends described in the Bible are eerily familiar to us.

01:28:20.080 So we can't deny we are in that last age, how long it's going to last, I think is an open question.

01:28:26.160 Well, I would tell everybody, go ahead and search the Star of Jacob, and you'll find a lot of stuff that will blow your mind there, because it happened.

01:28:38.600 And it had seven comets with it, and now there's this, the Atlas 3i breaking apart and stuff, I mean, I don't know.

01:28:50.440 Have you been tracking the Atlas 3i?

01:28:52.020 I have not been tracking the Atlas, yeah, I want people to search.

01:28:55.500 Well, they don't have to search, thedragonsprophecyfilm.com.

01:28:59.820 Oh, that's right.

01:29:01.120 That's where we're going.

01:29:02.080 But it goes along with it.

01:29:03.760 It goes along with all of it.

01:29:05.640 It ties into all of it.

01:29:06.980 It ties into all of it.

01:29:08.100 Our conversation is funny, because we don't actually have to do, quote, film talk, because this is the material that this film deals with.

01:29:14.800 And what I love about it is that it engages the political head-on.

01:29:22.060 I mean, Tucker is in the film, and the left is in the film, and we deal with the issue of...

01:29:26.400 Everything we've talked about today is in the film.

01:29:27.880 Yeah, colonization.

01:29:28.620 I mean, think of the strange phenomenon that the Jews alone are accused of colonizing their own land.

01:29:37.280 Right.

01:29:37.700 We talk about it every week.

01:29:38.440 This is like, the Indians are colonizing India.

01:29:41.080 Really?

01:29:42.620 And I made the point, I was on with Matt Gaetz, and Matt Gaetz was like...

01:29:46.040 He's another one.

01:29:46.540 Yeah, he's...

01:29:46.980 Well, he's like, Dinesh, he's like, listen, so what if the Jews were there first?

01:29:50.280 He goes, listen, he goes, the Native Americans were first in America, so does that mean they get to keep the whole country?

01:29:56.080 And I go, well...

01:29:57.980 I said, look, there are only three ways to get a country.

01:30:00.880 One, original inhabitancy.

01:30:04.000 That is one way to get a title.

01:30:06.200 Two, negotiation.

01:30:08.120 Somebody gave it to you in a treaty.

01:30:09.920 Three, conquest.

01:30:11.440 If you look at the whole world and the borders of the world, they were settled in one of these ways.

01:30:15.940 I said, now, when you look at America, I basically see that the American Indians get one checkmark.

01:30:22.180 They were there first.

01:30:23.340 But they were also raiding and conquering each other, and then comes the white man that conquers them.

01:30:28.060 So the conquest check goes to the white man.

01:30:30.800 So it's a dispute.

01:30:32.280 I said, but now let's apply it to Israel.

01:30:34.520 The Jews were there first.

01:30:36.360 Check.

01:30:37.160 They got the land assigned to them by the UN after World War II.

01:30:41.400 Check.

01:30:42.280 They fought at least three wars, 48, 67, 73.

01:30:45.700 They've held the land by conquest.

01:30:47.160 Check.

01:30:48.080 No other country has as clear a title because it checks all three boxes.

01:30:54.040 But here's the big one.

01:30:55.960 The Bible is our deed.

01:30:58.580 Well, I wasn't even...

01:31:00.240 I was giving a...

01:31:01.100 You're right.

01:31:01.580 I mean, I was giving a completely secular account.

01:31:04.620 Let's add that one.

01:31:05.560 Yeah.

01:31:05.740 That's four.

01:31:06.740 Let's call that the God checkbox.

01:31:08.680 Here's mine.

01:31:09.400 My family name is David, and I wanted to sue the whole damn international community.

01:31:15.220 That's my city.

01:31:16.460 Jerusalem, I own it.

01:31:18.140 I own Jerusalem.

01:31:19.740 My family name is David.

01:31:21.620 Kiss my butt.

01:31:24.600 Really?

01:31:25.360 Love it.

01:31:26.420 Really?

01:31:27.060 Yeah.

01:31:27.480 When's this film release, and where can people go to see it?

01:31:29.800 Yeah, so it's in theaters just two days.

01:31:32.160 So not October 7th.

01:31:34.140 October 6th and October 8th.

01:31:35.940 So the two days alongside October 7th, it'll be in about 400 theaters.

01:31:40.320 And so if you go on the website, you just put in your zip code, boom, all the theaters

01:31:44.800 around you will come up.

01:31:45.880 Okay.

01:31:46.100 So see it in the theater if you can.

01:31:47.340 But the very next day, October 9th...

01:31:48.800 I want to say it's beautifully shot, and you should see it in the cinema, because it is

01:31:54.820 beautiful.

01:31:56.220 It's very wonderful.

01:31:56.620 I make it for the theater.

01:31:57.960 I mean, and we also have...

01:31:59.400 We could tell you, and it'll bring us to tears about the guy who did our music for this

01:32:03.620 film, because we hired this guy, Richard Friedman.

01:32:08.280 He's actually a very good friend of Dennis Prager.

01:32:10.360 His wife works for Dennis Prager.

01:32:12.200 He's a brilliant composer.

01:32:13.880 We hire him, and seven days later, he has a heart attack.

01:32:16.300 And he's in the hospital.

01:32:18.300 So he...

01:32:19.140 But he has a sound guy who's an Academy Award winning guy.

01:32:22.040 So the two of them are putting music into our film from the hospital room, right?

01:32:26.260 And he completes the job, and then what is it?

01:32:29.200 Three days after he finishes it, he dies.

01:32:32.100 So talk about the fact that there's a kind of a spiritual element, even in the composition

01:32:38.580 of it.

01:32:39.560 But anyway, streaming on October 9th in DVDs.

01:32:42.720 And it's going to be on Salem now, which is the Salem platform.

01:32:46.380 It'll be on Rumble.

01:32:47.540 So on Rumble, you can just basically click and buy it.

01:32:51.860 And we're exploring a bunch of other platforms as well.

01:32:54.340 We're going to make it really easy for people to see it.

01:32:56.540 See it in the theater if you can.

01:32:57.980 But these days, a lot of people like to watch at home, and that's fine too.

01:33:00.940 I'm going to say two things.

01:33:01.820 One, I believe, and Debbie said it outside, but I just wanted to say this because I didn't

01:33:06.300 get to say it in the episode.

01:33:07.140 But this film really feels, and I believe in my heart of hearts, that it's God-led.

01:33:13.280 It's not a typical film.

01:33:15.880 There's an energy behind it, and you just have to see it to understand what I'm saying.

01:33:19.200 Once you see it, you'll understand what I'm saying.

01:33:21.600 This movie, and I don't...

01:33:24.660 You agree, right, Debbie?

01:33:25.720 I mean, this is my...

01:33:26.620 I co-sign.

01:33:27.760 Yeah.

01:33:28.320 It's a film that...

01:33:29.580 God produced this film.

01:33:31.480 I'm talking about it all the time, and I sometimes have a little difficulty, which

01:33:37.360 is true of, I think, really good films, right?

01:33:39.320 If someone were to ask you, what's the Shawshank Redemption about, right?

01:33:43.260 You're going to say, well, it's about friendship.

01:33:45.580 Well, it's about prisons.

01:33:46.780 But you're not even beginning to do justice to it because you're talking about the film.

01:33:51.760 You're not actually talking about the experience of the film itself.

01:33:55.120 And ultimately, you want, in a film, it to take on that life of its own where there's

01:34:02.260 that added X factor.

01:34:05.680 And I think this film does have it, and we feel it.

01:34:08.080 I think it does, too.

01:34:09.180 And both movies are...

01:34:10.420 Shawshank is about hope.

01:34:11.920 It's about hope.

01:34:13.020 Redemption.

01:34:15.140 And, you know, when we made this film, a lot of my films, people jokingly say they're

01:34:19.940 horror films because you leave the film and you're a little dazed.

01:34:22.340 You're like, oh, my God, the stolen election.

01:34:24.840 Will we ever have another election in this country?

01:34:27.200 Are we done for?

01:34:28.760 So that you will have that feeling.

01:34:30.880 This film has some of those low points, but it also has high points, which I think is very

01:34:37.060 congruent with where our culture is now.

01:34:39.100 People are looking for a way out and a way forward.

01:34:42.100 I felt more hopeful after seeing it.

01:34:43.660 And then the other thing, and then I'll stop talking.

01:34:45.980 Are you concerned with it?

01:34:47.460 Because you know you're going to get backlash for this film because it's pro-Bible, pro-Israel.

01:34:51.960 Are you prepared for that?

01:34:53.760 Are you worried about it?

01:34:55.520 I'm not worried about it.

01:34:56.660 Good.

01:34:56.980 I'm not worried about it.

01:34:57.960 My philosophy is...

01:34:59.520 This is what in the Reagan years we call supply-side economics.

01:35:03.560 And what I mean by that is for my books and my films, I come up with an idea.

01:35:08.040 I test it to see if it is current with what's going on in the world.

01:35:11.640 Because we, you know, frankly, if you...

01:35:14.480 In today's culture, you have to surf on the wave, right?

01:35:17.420 If someone were to make a great film right now and the film was, let's say, about, you

01:35:21.360 know, Afghanistan or about China, it would sink like a stone.

01:35:25.620 So I do subject my work to, like, is this relevant to our moment today?

01:35:30.940 And then I ask, is the central idea of it, like, interesting to me?

01:35:36.820 Not to anyone else, just to me.

01:35:38.680 And then if I like that, I'm going to go for it.

01:35:41.560 And I'm in complete indifference to anything else.

01:35:44.080 When I made my first film on Obama, I would go literally to potential, you know, funders,

01:35:50.000 investors, and I would say, I'm going to make a film.

01:35:52.460 They're like, what's the film about?

01:35:53.740 I'm like, it's about how Obama is an anti-colonialist.

01:35:57.460 They were like, seriously, you're going to put a film like this in the theater?

01:36:00.520 Nobody even knows what anti-colonialism is.

01:36:02.580 And to the degree that they even know, they think it's a good thing because America used to

01:36:05.960 be a colony of the British.

01:36:07.020 So how are you going to explain this rather arcane third world concept?

01:36:12.780 And I'm like, I don't care.

01:36:14.300 It's my job to do that.

01:36:16.340 And if I do it well, I think the film will catch on.

01:36:19.780 And it did catch on and launched my whole documentary film career because it was the

01:36:24.100 second most successful documentary ever made after Fahrenheit 9-11.

01:36:28.360 So I wouldn't be in the film business if I didn't hit a home run out the gate.

01:36:32.980 But Debbie and I have talked about this.

01:36:34.480 Listen, we do think this is, in a sense, our most profound film.

01:36:38.400 I think it is, too.

01:36:39.480 It's a very uplifting film for Americans to see, to remember who we are and why we are

01:36:46.420 that.

01:36:46.900 This is it.

01:36:49.200 And in a way, it goes even beyond that because we're saying, look, in the big scheme of things,

01:36:54.220 we don't know what's going to happen to America.

01:36:56.100 But what we do know is we all have a soul.

01:36:58.940 And the line between good and evil runs through every human heart.

01:37:01.620 And it is this moral choice that we all have to make individually.

01:37:07.040 And ultimately, I think we all believe our spiritual judgment is based on that.

01:37:12.080 It's not what did your country decide.

01:37:13.500 It's what did you decide?

01:37:14.780 Whose side were you on?

01:37:16.460 And this film wants to put that question front and center.

01:37:19.820 So when people go, in fact, yesterday we were talking to somebody who's like, well, Israel

01:37:23.420 is like way over there.

01:37:24.840 I'm over here.

01:37:25.720 We're like, well, yes, geographically you're right, but the issues and the moral choices

01:37:33.360 that come out of Jerusalem are right in front of you every single day.

01:37:37.640 Every day.

01:37:38.600 And without that, by the way, our country is built on these two pillars.

01:37:43.840 You remove one pillar, Jerusalem, there's no Western civilization left.

01:37:47.420 No.

01:37:48.680 They're getting everybody to remove their own source of life.

01:37:52.140 But anyway, well, I think we're going to cap it.

01:37:58.100 That was amazing.

01:37:59.260 And I like that we cap it on that.

01:38:01.400 Everybody's being trained to kill off their own source.

01:38:04.900 And we have to fight that.

01:38:06.500 We have to fight that because without our source, we won't stand.

01:38:11.620 Yeah.

01:38:11.920 And if you're interested in the stuff we've been talking about, you're going to find this

01:38:15.980 film mesmerizing.

01:38:17.380 It's going to give you hope.

01:38:19.820 It's going to uplift you.

01:38:21.700 And it is beautiful.

01:38:23.860 It's just beautiful.

01:38:25.260 Thank you.

01:38:25.920 You did a great job.

01:38:27.200 You really did.

01:38:27.660 That's the DragonsProphecyFilm.com.

01:38:29.220 That's it.

01:38:31.200 And by the way, movie tickets, buy them on the website.

01:38:34.560 You can't go to the theater and buy it right there.

01:38:37.320 You have to buy them off the website.

01:38:38.940 We've done these theatrical buyouts, which means we buy a receipt.

01:38:42.320 I've got you.

01:38:43.060 And it's worked for us.

01:38:44.200 We know how to do it.

01:38:45.320 And it's in select theaters.

01:38:48.200 So if you can't find it near you, no problem.

01:38:50.540 Just sign up for streaming and order your DVDs and you're going to be fine.

01:38:54.460 I'm laughing a little to myself because I talk about this movie gives me hope and proof of

01:38:57.700 God, but it's like the dragon's prophecy and Satan is real and all these really scary,

01:39:02.440 terrifying things.

01:39:04.100 Well, people want to forget that.

01:39:05.960 But you can't forget it.

01:39:08.180 We're in a war, people.

01:39:09.420 We are.

01:39:09.440 Oh, come on.

01:39:10.080 We've got to win.

01:39:11.400 Wake up.

01:39:12.080 We've got to win.

01:39:12.900 Which way, Western man?

01:39:14.380 Huh?

01:39:14.780 Which way, Western man?

01:39:15.420 That's it.

01:39:16.060 Yeah.

01:39:16.520 So you see my patience is running thin.

01:39:21.320 That's our end song.

01:39:22.520 In this synthetic world we're living in.

01:39:28.560 Dinesh, thank you very much.

01:39:30.000 Love you all.

01:39:31.040 Thank you, Dinesh.

01:39:32.060 Thank you.

01:39:32.700 Thank you.

01:39:33.080 Oh, you see my patience is growing thin.

01:39:43.660 With this synthetic world we're living in.

The Roseanne Barr Podcast - October 03, 2025

The Dragon’s Prophecy W⧸ Dinesh D’Souza ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #118

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