The Roseanne Barr Podcast - Tucker Carlson ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #024

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00:01:00.300 Greetings, Earthlings.

00:01:02.100 Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.

00:01:04.420 I got a good one today.

00:01:05.880 I got the guest of all guests, somebody I've been so excited to have on.

00:01:12.000 He is a rare gem and an American treasure.

00:01:15.880 The one, the only, Tucker Carlson.

00:01:19.200 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, Roseanne.

00:01:21.700 Thank you for being here.

00:01:23.040 Oh, man, I'm honored.

00:01:24.140 Oh, you see, my patience is growing thin.

00:01:30.460 I'm so excited to ask you all these crazy things that are in my head.

00:01:34.760 You can't get too crazy for me.

00:01:36.700 I know.

00:01:37.200 That's what's so great.

00:01:38.180 Yeah, that's true.

00:01:38.500 First of all, on the crazy train there, how do you feel about Trump saying he would consider you for vice president?

00:01:46.460 I put that in the category of asteroid striking the Earth, good or bad.

00:01:53.020 It's so far outside of my control that I, you know, I'm flattered.

00:01:57.880 Yeah, it is flattering, isn't it?

00:01:59.920 For sure.

00:02:00.620 But, I mean, it's hard to, you know, I've never been in politics.

00:02:03.100 I've never.

00:02:03.800 Would you ever do it?

00:02:05.640 Would I accept?

00:02:07.440 Yeah, if you really ask you.

00:02:08.600 I can't think about that.

00:02:10.060 I mean, I spent my whole life looking at politicians and commenting on them and passing judgment on them.

00:02:15.180 And I've never run for, you know, room mother.

00:02:18.860 And so the idea of that is so far from anything I've ever done, it's kind of hard even to imagine.

00:02:24.420 What do you think?

00:02:25.060 I certainly support Trump, I'll tell you that.

00:02:26.620 And I can tell you, I mean, I've always agreed with Trump's policies, always.

00:02:32.060 And I lost friends over it.

00:02:33.540 But, and I've never really actively supported anybody because it's not my job to actively support people.

00:02:39.380 I watch, you know, I like to watch.

00:02:41.960 But I'm a voyeur.

00:02:43.540 Yeah.

00:02:43.920 But I became an active Trump supporter when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer, the summer of 2022.

00:02:49.740 That can't stand.

00:02:51.140 No, that can't.

00:02:52.000 And I agree with Trump on a lot.

00:02:54.220 But even if I disagreed with Trump on a lot, I'd still be a Trump supporter because you cannot allow that.

00:02:58.360 You cannot allow the, you know, the regime, the president of the United States to use the Justice Department to knock the front runner out of the race.

00:03:06.140 You can't do that.

00:03:06.660 No, you can't do that.

00:03:08.120 So it's bigger than Trump.

00:03:09.320 It's bigger than Biden.

00:03:10.300 It's a question of, you know, do you want to live in a free country with a functioning justice system, you know?

00:03:14.960 That's exactly right.

00:03:15.620 And so I'm voting for Trump.

00:03:17.820 And if they convict him, I will send him the max donations and I will lead protests.

00:03:22.840 That's how I feel.

00:03:23.600 That's how I feel too.

00:03:24.500 Because, and by the way, if I thought that he had committed some real crime, I wouldn't feel that way, but he didn't.

00:03:29.100 He and Biden are both found with classified documents at home, along with every other former high-level federal official in history, but only Trump is indicted?

00:03:36.120 Like, tell me how that works.

00:03:37.040 Oh, shut up.

00:03:38.380 And Biden is the one who did it illegally because he was never president when he did it.

00:03:43.440 Do you think Dick Cheney brought home any, like, classified Iraq war documents and showed them to his wife in 2003?

00:03:48.700 Yes is the answer.

00:03:49.440 And the FBI didn't, you know, put bugs in his house and didn't, I mean, the whole, look, I spent my life in Washington.

00:03:56.660 I spent 35 years there from 1985 to 2020, and my father ran a federal agency.

00:04:01.220 So I know how the classification system worked and still works.

00:04:04.600 And it's a lie.

00:04:05.900 It's a lie.

00:04:06.540 It's a complete lie.

00:04:07.140 It's a complete lie.

00:04:07.620 There are over a billion classified documents.

00:04:09.880 So how is that a democracy?

00:04:11.680 If you don't know what your government is doing and you have no right to know on the basis of totally fraudulent national security claims, it's not a democracy, right?

00:04:20.240 It's an oligarchy.

00:04:21.420 And so, and I believe in democracy.

00:04:23.620 I think that the people own this country.

00:04:26.320 It's not owned by federal unionized bureaucrats or appointees.

00:04:29.520 No.

00:04:30.020 Or the richest people.

00:04:31.160 It's not just like the 27 billionaires get to run everything.

00:04:33.560 I just don't agree with that.

00:04:34.860 I don't either.

00:04:35.460 I hate it, actually.

00:04:36.620 And they're not even good at it.

00:04:38.040 That's the other thing.

00:04:38.800 They're selfish and they're stupid and they're short-sighted and they're totally lacking wisdom.

00:04:42.560 So they're not even running the country well.

00:04:44.340 Even if they were, I would still be opposed to it because that's a betrayal of the core promise of America.

00:04:49.040 Yeah, that's feudalism.

00:04:50.340 Completely.

00:04:51.520 But at least in feudalism, there was a symbiotic relationship between the Lord and the serfs.

00:04:57.160 They each needed each other.

00:04:58.500 Right.

00:04:59.080 The people who run our country do not need labor.

00:05:01.740 Yeah.

00:05:02.020 Labor has no value in America.

00:05:03.480 The average person has no power, no economic power.

00:05:06.740 And when you take away the promise of, like, free elections, you don't even have political power.

00:05:11.140 Your vote doesn't even matter.

00:05:12.280 No.

00:05:12.760 That's really super dark.

00:05:13.920 So I'm completely opposed to it.

00:05:17.500 I reject the premise of the charges classified.

00:05:21.160 On what grounds?

00:05:21.780 Oh, they're nuclear secrets.

00:05:22.720 Really?

00:05:23.000 Which ones?

00:05:23.480 They can't tell you.

00:05:24.200 They're classifying a lot.

00:05:27.060 Thousands of documents from the Kennedy assassination, which is now, next week, it'll be 60 years.

00:05:32.960 It's unbelievable.

00:05:33.720 January, I mean, rather, November 22nd, 1963.

00:05:37.560 And we're now in November of 2023.

00:05:40.000 On what grounds could they be hiding that?

00:05:41.640 Well, obviously to hide the CIA's complicity in the murder of the president.

00:05:44.420 But there's no defensible grounds on which they can hide those documents.

00:05:49.440 Don't lecture me about classification.

00:05:51.940 I actually know a guy who was in charge of it.

00:05:54.060 And I, whatever, I know a lot about this subject.

00:05:56.240 It's a lie.

00:05:57.380 Yeah, I know it is.

00:05:57.780 And don't expect me to play along with it.

00:05:59.500 What do you think of Hillary saying Trump's Hitler?

00:06:01.900 Did that curdle your blood or like it did mine?

00:06:04.540 Well, she's, I think, I've never taken her very seriously.

00:06:08.760 I mean, I know, and I know her also.

00:06:11.520 I was at the newspaper in Arkansas in the early 90s, 30 years ago.

00:06:16.000 So I know a lot about Hillary, and I don't think she's a good person.

00:06:19.500 I think she would put you in a camp without thinking about it if you were in the way.

00:06:22.980 Well, she said it.

00:06:23.900 Re-education.

00:06:24.660 Well, for sure.

00:06:25.340 And she means it.

00:06:26.040 I mean, she's got an authoritarian sensibility.

00:06:28.340 But I think she's not very bright.

00:06:31.420 And I think she's most, I mean, she's close to 80.

00:06:33.940 But I think of her as like a child.

00:06:35.500 And so I don't take her seriously enough to really be mad at her.

00:06:38.080 But she'll say whatever, whatever she needs to say.

00:06:41.460 Trump is Hitler.

00:06:41.980 The thing she does so well, though, is to project what she does on the Trump.

00:06:47.040 It's like she holds up the mirror, and she's like, Russia, Russia, Russia.

00:06:50.860 And that's when she was selling plutonium to Russia.

00:06:53.920 She devised this whole thing with a fake dossier to frame a sitting United States president.

00:07:00.640 I know.

00:07:00.820 Which is, isn't that treason?

00:07:03.120 Then use a completely corrupt FISA court with fake FISA stuff to spy on a sitting, to bring

00:07:11.560 down the sitting president of the United States during wartime?

00:07:15.460 Yes.

00:07:15.760 Isn't that some sort of mispreason of treason or something like that?

00:07:20.880 Of course.

00:07:21.340 I mean, it's a betrayal of democratic principles, a betrayal of the Constitution.

00:07:25.840 It's illegal.

00:07:26.340 And then she's sitting up there going, Trump is Hitler.

00:07:30.160 Hey, look what you put us through for seven years.

00:07:33.340 And that doesn't even begin to, it doesn't even begin to talk about the physical damage

00:07:38.960 done to Americans.

00:07:39.460 But it's pretty revealing, though, because most people couldn't do that.

00:07:42.260 I mean, all of us lie.

00:07:43.580 You know, but our lies, the average person, first of all, this is why polygraphs work.

00:07:49.020 You know, polygraphs are not admissible in court, but that doesn't mean they don't work.

00:07:51.940 Everybody uses polygraphs.

00:07:53.360 The CIA uses polygraphs.

00:07:54.340 The military uses polygraphs.

00:07:55.140 Big companies use polygraphs.

00:07:56.180 Why?

00:07:56.600 Because they work.

00:07:57.820 They detect deception.

00:08:00.000 And the reason they do is-

00:08:01.060 But they don't work on sociopaths.

00:08:02.580 Exactly.

00:08:03.360 The reason they work is because normal people, even if they're liars, feel guilty when they

00:08:08.200 lie, and their palms sweat, and their heart rate rises, and their temperature rises.

00:08:12.680 The average person, when he lies, tells a lie that's, you know, 15 degrees off center.

00:08:19.140 You know, I'm drinking Pellegrino, but actually it's Perrier, or whatever.

00:08:24.180 Yeah.

00:08:24.900 What they don't do is invert the lie.

00:08:27.480 Right.

00:08:28.080 You're drinking Perrier.

00:08:29.520 I'm not.

00:08:30.780 Exactly.

00:08:31.260 That is so, the average person can't understand it.

00:08:35.300 It's bewildering.

00:08:35.900 It throws you off balance.

00:08:37.420 It's so aggressive and deeply, like, dishonest at the core level that you can't even relate

00:08:43.460 to it.

00:08:44.180 I know.

00:08:44.780 Right?

00:08:45.320 And so you think, well, holy shit, maybe it's true.

00:08:47.540 I mean, look, why would they say it if it wasn't true?

00:08:50.540 Because that's what a normal person does when you're accused.

00:08:53.560 You go, oh my God, did I do something wrong?

00:08:55.200 Totally.

00:08:55.620 It's happened to me, actually.

00:08:56.480 You don't immediately go, uh-uh, you did.

00:08:59.300 You did.

00:08:59.840 Exactly.

00:09:00.620 Right.

00:09:00.840 So it does, I think, reveal moral disease and a worldview that's, like, so different

00:09:05.860 from mine, I can't even relate to it.

00:09:08.360 Do you think that it shows somebody who has, like, you know how they talk about, well, vampires

00:09:14.740 don't cast a, there's no reflection in the mirror?

00:09:17.780 It's a kind of a thing where there's no there there.

00:09:21.880 They'll just say whatever.

00:09:23.700 Yeah.

00:09:23.840 I mean, I mean, there's something that's going on in the spiritual realm.

00:09:26.480 I mean, I'm the last person to ask for details on that because I'm as far from a theologian

00:09:31.260 as you can be.

00:09:31.920 But I've run out of other explanations for it.

00:09:34.020 Well, I think that they don't see what they do.

00:09:37.500 No.

00:09:37.960 And there's, like, there's just a lot going on that doesn't fit into the categories we

00:09:42.800 were trained to understand the world with.

00:09:44.460 You know, this isn't left versus right.

00:09:47.020 This isn't, it's not just, and I know you often hear people say, it's just about the

00:09:50.000 money.

00:09:50.260 Yeah, money plays a huge role in this, but it's deeper than that.

00:09:52.880 Like, why would you, it's lying for its own sake.

00:09:57.020 It's the worship of dishonesty.

00:09:59.260 It's the hatred of the truth.

00:10:01.680 Why would you hate the truth?

00:10:02.700 Sometimes the truth is inconvenient.

00:10:04.280 If you catch me cheating on my wife, I don't want you to tell the truth about it.

00:10:07.040 Right.

00:10:07.380 Of course, I get it.

00:10:08.720 Yeah.

00:10:09.120 But I don't, I'll never even think to take pleasure in telling a lie for its own sake.

00:10:16.200 I'm not angry when you tell the truth, as long as it doesn't expose my, you know, weaknesses

00:10:20.580 or what, as long as I'm not hurt by it.

00:10:22.500 They hate the truth because it's true.

00:10:25.140 Yeah, that's true.

00:10:26.000 And 100% of the people punished in the last five years in the public conversation have

00:10:30.940 been punished for telling the truth, not for lying.

00:10:32.580 And they don't even pretend otherwise.

00:10:33.840 They don't call it lying anymore.

00:10:35.320 They call it disinformation.

00:10:36.400 Yeah, that's what they call it.

00:10:37.020 The thing about disinformation is it can be true.

00:10:39.120 Right.

00:10:39.980 But it's still verboten.

00:10:41.520 How does that work?

00:10:42.720 Because it's a kingdom of lies.

00:10:44.900 It is a kingdom of lies.

00:10:45.760 That is exactly right.

00:10:46.660 Think about all these physicians that go, I can't in good conscience go along with this

00:10:50.580 edict.

00:10:51.280 Yes.

00:10:51.440 And they lost their, they lost everything.

00:10:54.120 Oh, I know.

00:10:54.720 Americans lost everything because it wasn't lies.

00:10:56.100 Well, think about all the physicians who did go along with it.

00:10:58.280 That's what I keep thinking.

00:10:59.400 Well, I feel like they're village of the damned.

00:11:03.380 I think that.

00:11:03.820 You know, they, there will come a time when they will answer when it's just like, okay,

00:11:08.920 you're going to the grocery store and you're going to get the evil life from 10,000 people.

00:11:13.200 I hope that's true.

00:11:14.300 I do know it's true.

00:11:14.860 Just because I believe in justice.

00:11:15.760 I don't hope for anyone suffering.

00:11:17.200 But I also think you can't just pretend that it didn't happen.

00:11:20.420 We didn't.

00:11:20.660 And as someone who didn't take the vax and really felt under attack because of it.

00:11:24.360 Me too.

00:11:25.600 You know, it sticks with me a little bit as someone whose children were targeted for vaccines.

00:11:30.680 Like you can't go to school unless you take a vaccine.

00:11:32.800 I mean, it was a big thing in my family.

00:11:34.060 It was a big thing.

00:11:34.880 And for a lot of people.

00:11:35.860 And then to act like it didn't happen is, it's too much.

00:11:40.560 It's too much.

00:11:41.280 There has to be, people demand, I think nature demands, certainly every world religion demands,

00:11:47.460 a moment where we say, maybe we don't punish the wrongdoers, but we acknowledge that they did wrong.

00:11:51.820 Yeah, and they do too.

00:11:52.940 And they acknowledge it.

00:11:53.720 That's exactly right.

00:11:54.580 That there's contrition and repentance.

00:11:57.020 Like these are essential steps in the process of healing.

00:12:01.420 Like admittance to know you did something wrong.

00:12:04.560 What's the first of the 12 steps?

00:12:06.420 Admitting it.

00:12:07.300 Right.

00:12:07.780 But that's like, what's the first step in any of the Abrahamic faiths, the three Abrahamic faces?

00:12:12.700 I'll admit that I sinned.

00:12:14.800 Yeah.

00:12:15.080 I'm not perfect.

00:12:16.020 I'm not God.

00:12:16.680 You are.

00:12:17.460 Right.

00:12:17.760 And so that is like a, that's a core requirement on all of us to retain our humanity is to admit when we do wrong.

00:12:25.980 Yes, exactly.

00:12:26.840 And if you see people refusing.

00:12:28.380 Well, that's why they don't believe in God.

00:12:30.940 That's how you can tell.

00:12:31.200 They definitely think they are gods, of course.

00:12:33.280 God doesn't apologize.

00:12:34.200 In Job, which I just read, you know, God makes us deal with, literally with the devil and afflicts this guy called Job.

00:12:41.100 And Job's like, hey, God, like, why did you do this?

00:12:44.420 And God's answer is basically, I'm God.

00:12:46.340 I don't need to explain.

00:12:48.880 God's the only one who doesn't need to explain or apologize.

00:12:52.440 He's the only one.

00:12:53.980 And the people who run our society consider themselves gods.

00:12:57.680 Boy, they do.

00:12:58.600 And that's why they're not explaining.

00:13:00.680 Boy, they do.

00:13:01.520 They don't think they have to.

00:13:02.780 Oh, I have noticed.

00:13:03.120 They don't think.

00:13:04.740 I think I was talking to somebody and they said to me, well, they think they're more than human.

00:13:12.780 Oh, obviously.

00:13:13.620 Yeah.

00:13:14.420 I go, they're not even human because humans care about their environment and their neighbors.

00:13:23.340 And humans care about, you know, other people's children.

00:13:27.920 Of course.

00:13:28.160 And humans care about living things.

00:13:31.040 Yes.

00:13:31.420 But they don't do any of that.

00:13:32.800 And he goes, because they think they're more than human.

00:13:36.900 Oh, I noticed.

00:13:37.640 That's why they want to live forever.

00:13:38.880 Royals.

00:13:39.860 They think they're like royals in a rarefied sphere of DNA or something above us.

00:13:45.960 Like, did they come from another planet?

00:13:48.840 You know, when you hear people talk, I can't either.

00:13:51.520 This is the podcast to speculate on it, though.

00:13:53.780 Well, because some people say, you know, a lot of religious people, they're into some deep rabbit holes of things.

00:14:03.060 And I don't know anything.

00:14:04.000 Well, you can see where they are, though.

00:14:05.000 I mean, speaking for myself, I have no idea what's going on.

00:14:07.700 And I don't know if this is the Nephilim, right?

00:14:09.820 I was going to say.

00:14:10.680 I know.

00:14:11.380 Here we go.

00:14:11.980 That's what I said.

00:14:12.580 No, no.

00:14:13.220 Let's just say.

00:14:14.520 I said, I don't know anything about that stuff, okay?

00:14:18.200 I'm a very ordinary middle-aged man who spent his life following politics and theology.

00:14:23.160 But I do know that whatever's going on is very deep.

00:14:26.600 Yeah.

00:14:26.980 I've spent my whole life around politicians and seen decisions get made, interviewed people who run things.

00:14:32.280 And what's happening now is qualitatively different.

00:14:35.320 So different that it's not in the same category at all.

00:14:38.400 No.

00:14:38.920 This is hurting people for the sake of hurting them.

00:14:40.780 This is lying for the sake of lying.

00:14:42.780 This is, as the devil hates holy water, they hate the truth.

00:14:46.300 You tell the truth about anything, it almost doesn't matter what it's about.

00:14:49.240 It doesn't have to be about the next election.

00:14:51.020 Right.

00:14:51.300 That's right.

00:14:51.420 It can just be about history, for example.

00:14:53.840 Mm-hmm.

00:14:54.140 Telling the truth about history.

00:14:55.180 Why should that offend anybody?

00:14:55.980 Well, that really pissed me off.

00:14:56.900 Periods where everyone's dead and we can't, of course, change the past.

00:15:00.460 So there's nothing really at stake for us now, right?

00:15:02.160 You would think people would welcome open-minded historical inquiry to get closer to what actually happened in whatever period or in whatever event.

00:15:09.960 They hate that.

00:15:11.040 Yes, they do.

00:15:11.360 Well, what are you watching?

00:15:12.380 You're watching someone who hates the truth because it's true.

00:15:14.840 And there's no possible profit motive that is driving that.

00:15:18.260 There's no political end that is driving that.

00:15:20.980 They hate the truth because it's true.

00:15:23.780 Now we're in the realm of theology.

00:15:25.420 Yeah, we are.

00:15:26.280 That's all that is.

00:15:27.260 I mean, and I can't possibly explain it, but that's what that is.

00:15:30.100 So have you heard about Antarctica?

00:15:32.400 Because I always say, in my act, I go—

00:15:34.820 Have I heard about it?

00:15:35.260 I think it's a continent still, right?

00:15:36.340 Yeah, but in my act, I go, I don't know which is true anymore.

00:15:40.120 Are we being invaded by the Nephilim from outer space, or is it true that the Nazis have a whole breakaway continent under the ice in Antarctica?

00:15:48.220 You haven't heard that one, Tucker?

00:15:49.220 Which one is true?

00:15:50.020 No, I haven't.

00:15:50.640 I don't go on the internet very often, because I'm probably—it's like the same reason I know Cruz used car lots, because I'd buy them all.

00:15:58.160 I don't know.

00:15:58.780 I don't have the self-control.

00:16:01.880 I haven't heard that.

00:16:03.100 I will say, however, I've done some reading recently on topics that—not forbidden or racial or religious, pure history.

00:16:13.000 Like, what do we know about ancient civilizations?

00:16:17.220 Uh-huh.

00:16:17.860 And the answer is, like, basically nothing.

00:16:19.520 Nothing.

00:16:19.600 No.

00:16:20.360 And the idea that—

00:16:21.800 Tartaria?

00:16:22.200 Did you read about Tartaria?

00:16:23.500 No.

00:16:24.200 Oh, my God.

00:16:24.860 So I'm a neophyte here.

00:16:25.800 This is, like, all new to me.

00:16:27.020 I'll just start with the one thing that we do know, which is what we don't know, which is how the pyramids are built.

00:16:31.020 And I don't understand how we could send men to the moon, but no one can come up with even a rough theory for how the pyramids are built.

00:16:39.560 Or even what age they are, because we don't know that either, actually.

00:16:42.640 Yeah.

00:16:42.660 And they're under the water, too.

00:16:44.360 I didn't know that.

00:16:45.320 Yeah, there's pyramids under the water.

00:16:47.080 But why can I ask you this, since you know much more about this than I, but why is there such institutional resistance to acknowledging that we don't know certain things?

00:16:56.060 Because we do know.

00:16:57.780 Oh, I hadn't thought about that.

00:16:59.180 Yeah.

00:17:00.100 Hello?

00:17:00.980 Oh.

00:17:02.020 That's interesting.

00:17:02.980 Wait, explain that a little.

00:17:03.920 No, because everything is the people, the tippy-top, the owners of the world, the big club, like George Carlin says, that you and me ain't in.

00:17:13.600 We ain't in it.

00:17:14.720 I've never been invited.

00:17:15.900 No.

00:17:16.380 We're never going to be, either.

00:17:19.000 Please, God.

00:17:20.560 But they know everything.

00:17:23.520 They know the real, you know, it's all in the Vatican libraries.

00:17:27.480 They know everything.

00:17:28.300 It's all there, like it was in Alexandria.

00:17:31.940 She had, Cleopatra had the history of the world in Alexandria.

00:17:35.580 Remember the sacking of the libraries of Alexandria and Cleopatra?

00:17:39.700 Well, they took it all to Rome.

00:17:41.020 It also said how the pyramids were built.

00:17:42.920 Yeah.

00:17:43.360 You know what it said?

00:17:44.380 They used frequency.

00:17:45.940 They used...

00:17:46.420 Well, I have to say, like, you would think that technology, if we can create AI...

00:17:50.580 Yeah.

00:17:51.440 AI.

00:17:52.560 But if we can have supercomputers capable of doing what our computers can currently do,

00:17:55.940 you'd think someone would be able to at least come up with a plausible theory.

00:17:59.600 And the fact that we can't, it doesn't prove anything other than the limits to our knowledge are...

00:18:05.840 No, but I've heard physicists say that this was done by, you know, some sort of machinery,

00:18:11.760 like the finest cutting machinery that used the highest frequency that cut the stone.

00:18:18.780 Yeah.

00:18:18.940 And how were they moved with no wheels?

00:18:22.320 I can't remember.

00:18:23.440 Magnets.

00:18:24.200 Magnets.

00:18:24.780 Lots of slaves.

00:18:25.760 Yeah.

00:18:26.160 But I mean, I've seen...

00:18:27.700 Aliens.

00:18:28.320 Here in North America, there are certain archaeological ruins, say, in the state of Missouri, they

00:18:35.520 were not built by the descendants of the current American Indians, we know that, that are...

00:18:39.460 One of them is a mile long.

00:18:40.960 Yeah.

00:18:41.320 A mile long.

00:18:42.280 In Missouri now.

00:18:43.160 Yeah.

00:18:43.640 There's almost nothing...

00:18:45.000 Like, I've never heard of any of this in school.

00:18:46.480 It's all totally real.

00:18:47.160 Look it up.

00:18:47.460 It's on Wikipedia, which is the most CIA-controlled information source in the world.

00:18:51.780 What does it look like?

00:18:53.360 It's a mound.

00:18:54.400 It's a tell.

00:18:55.680 But, you know, 50 feet high or something, I'm guessing.

00:18:57.680 They're finding stuff all over.

00:18:59.400 We have Jimmy Corsetti coming on.

00:19:00.600 He finds stuff all over.

00:19:01.780 So there is a overwhelming evidence.

00:19:04.200 Well, there's proof that there were massive population centers in North America long before

00:19:10.280 1492.

00:19:11.440 So, what?

00:19:13.360 What?

00:19:13.940 Yeah.

00:19:14.460 All I'm saying, the only thing we know...

00:19:15.600 Well, the Mormons have the Book of Mormon.

00:19:17.620 They say that that was the history of those people.

00:19:21.100 The 10 lost tribes of Israel came to the United States.

00:19:23.340 Across the Bering Sea.

00:19:24.080 I've certainly spent a lot of my life making fun of that, but I'm going to stop.

00:19:26.700 Yeah, but who knows what?

00:19:28.020 Well, that's exactly right.

00:19:29.160 But I think that somebody, or some group of somebodies, they know how stuff works, and

00:19:36.300 they got it all.

00:19:38.000 But why is no one interested in it?

00:19:39.240 I don't understand why this isn't like the most...

00:19:40.660 No, people are interested, but there's no way they can find it, because information...

00:19:44.160 But if you're NBC News, like, why don't you do this like a nightly segment on like all

00:19:47.580 the mysteries of history, because they're kind of...

00:19:49.400 Because they just want to know about Kim Kardashian's ass.

00:19:52.460 That's all they care about.

00:19:53.860 Well, I mean...

00:19:56.460 And I'm a man.

00:19:57.180 I think I have a license to assess that.

00:19:59.340 Not that impressive.

00:20:00.260 Like, all the conversations about that.

00:20:02.500 That's like not one of the wonders of the world.

00:20:04.760 Well, it is for me, Tucker, because I was born assless in an ass-based economy.

00:20:10.940 Yeah.

00:20:11.320 And my whole life...

00:20:11.640 You did well, anyway, I have to say.

00:20:13.740 I always say, if I had an ass like that, I would have made something of myself.

00:20:17.500 No, no, because, I mean, Dubai has no natural resources, and it's one of the richest places

00:20:21.520 in the world.

00:20:22.180 Equatorial Guinea has massive oil reserves, and it's impoverished.

00:20:25.000 So I actually think it's when you don't have the resources that you have to improvise.

00:20:28.240 That's true.

00:20:28.540 Maybe that's true.

00:20:29.460 Talent is overrated.

00:20:30.420 Did you ever read that book?

00:20:31.260 No, but I love the name of it.

00:20:32.420 That's what it's about.

00:20:33.140 It's basically whoever has to work harder.

00:20:35.240 I think that's right.

00:20:36.460 That's right.

00:20:36.820 Not born...

00:20:37.140 Talent's bullshit.

00:20:37.880 I'm a true, too.

00:20:38.740 Can I ask a question real quick to you?

00:20:41.020 Because you were talking a few minutes before about...

00:20:43.120 I know what Jake wants to do.

00:20:44.260 Well, no, no.

00:20:44.780 This is something different.

00:20:45.800 Lying for lying's sake, and that it's not political, and it's theological.

00:20:50.080 Is it within the realm of possibility that this movement that we're fighting now is

00:20:54.340 actually satanic?

00:20:57.480 What do you mean in the realm of possibility?

00:20:59.360 Well, exactly.

00:21:00.240 Yeah.

00:21:00.380 I mean, because there's no other explanation.

00:21:02.240 Well, it's the definition.

00:21:03.480 Or it's infiltration to destroy narrative.

00:21:05.540 Of course, because it's not...

00:21:06.140 Look, what's not satanic is like the Sicilian Empire.

00:21:09.440 Right.

00:21:10.000 You know, they pimp out women.

00:21:11.520 They loan shark.

00:21:12.520 They sell heroin.

00:21:13.440 But they do it because they want to get a bigger house in Far Rockaway.

00:21:16.200 I get it.

00:21:16.660 It's money.

00:21:17.220 It makes sense.

00:21:17.840 It's totally.

00:21:18.240 It's a commercial transaction.

00:21:19.420 It hurts people.

00:21:19.920 It's bad.

00:21:20.180 It's illegal.

00:21:20.800 But it's explicable.

00:21:22.120 Right.

00:21:22.520 I understand that.

00:21:23.440 Yes.

00:21:23.880 You know, what we're seeing now is not explicable.

00:21:26.740 It's not...

00:21:27.460 Why would he billionaire...

00:21:28.800 You have a billion dollars.

00:21:30.100 You can't spend it all.

00:21:30.940 Right.

00:21:31.460 It's much deeper than that.

00:21:34.000 Right.

00:21:34.220 And why would you hate things that are true that don't affect you?

00:21:39.320 Right.

00:21:39.580 You can't stand to hear something that's just objectively true.

00:21:43.220 Which means you're...

00:21:44.420 What is that?

00:21:45.260 You're evil.

00:21:45.740 The hatred of truth is the hallmark of darkness.

00:21:50.580 Obviously.

00:21:50.980 Yes, it is.

00:21:51.460 Absolutely.

00:21:52.460 Well, because they...

00:21:53.500 The only...

00:21:54.360 I think it's a...

00:21:55.740 I think it's a very dark system that was created over...

00:22:00.580 I don't know how many centuries.

00:22:02.540 But, you know, I think it goes back to really dark times.

00:22:08.520 And it's never disappeared.

00:22:10.140 It's like they've been building and building for a really long time.

00:22:13.240 I do see...

00:22:13.660 I was thinking about this yesterday.

00:22:14.440 I flew from Europe yesterday.

00:22:15.460 So, of course, I had like 10 hours to read, which is usually bad.

00:22:18.540 But I was thinking yesterday that there are certain periods in history where people become...

00:22:24.400 I was thinking about the Spanish Civil War because I was flying from Spain.

00:22:26.500 But I was also thinking about the French Revolution.

00:22:28.240 I was thinking about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD in Jerusalem.

00:22:32.820 Two temples.

00:22:33.800 Yeah, two temples.

00:22:34.400 But that was the last one that was destroyed by the Romans during the revolt.

00:22:38.120 Well, there are these weird explosions of irrational hatred, rage, violence, where no one's actually winning.

00:22:49.000 Like they're killing for the sake of killing.

00:22:50.720 For the sake of killing.

00:22:51.360 Yes.

00:22:51.840 And you see these throughout history.

00:22:53.640 And like, what is that?

00:22:54.900 Yeah.

00:22:55.100 No one's actually benefiting from this.

00:22:57.460 Killing people, making them suffer, humiliating them, torturing them, burning things down that you could steal, but you burn them anyway.

00:23:04.180 Yeah.

00:23:04.340 You saw this in our cities a couple of years ago.

00:23:07.140 Yes, you did.

00:23:07.360 Like, what is that?

00:23:08.380 Terror.

00:23:09.160 But it's not rational.

00:23:11.120 Like, a terrorist like ETA, the Basque separatist group, like they kill policemen so they could get a little closer to their goal, which was separating from Spain.

00:23:18.260 Makes sense.

00:23:18.640 I get it.

00:23:19.160 It makes sense.

00:23:19.900 Right.

00:23:20.460 But murdering people just to murder them, burning their stuff when you could steal it, that's, again, a spiritual phenomenon.

00:23:27.880 Yes.

00:23:28.060 Well, to go on TikTok, it's like the Andy Warhol thing, 15 seconds of fame, I'm sure he said 15 minutes, but for the 15 seconds of TikTok fame, that's what they're doing it for, a lot of them.

00:23:40.100 Yes, but they're like seized by some spirit of destructiveness.

00:23:44.920 Well, it's a demon spirit.

00:23:45.880 That's it.

00:23:46.860 Demonic, absolutely.

00:23:47.480 It's always been here.

00:23:48.740 And it emerges, and we, actually, we lie to ourselves and imagine we've got our total inner control.

00:23:54.500 Yeah.

00:23:54.700 Everything can be explained rationally.

00:23:56.540 That's why I hate this whole, they're in it for the money.

00:23:58.940 Yeah, no, they're not.

00:23:59.460 If you think that's all it's about, you're going to miss what's actually happening.

00:24:02.880 You're going to miss what it's really about.

00:24:03.680 Well, I think you both got fired when you had the number one television shows.

00:24:06.580 You guys were both racking money in.

00:24:08.560 Well, I'm just bringing it up now because it's obviously not about the money because it's about the money.

00:24:13.160 Both of you still have your job.

00:24:14.380 Well, that's a good point.

00:24:15.400 Yeah, that's what gets me.

00:24:16.660 Because they don't like what you were saying and what you were doing, and it's something that said we had to take them off.

00:24:21.240 Fuck it.

00:24:21.700 Fuck our stockholders.

00:24:22.800 We're going to do it anyway.

00:24:23.920 That's weird.

00:24:24.540 Well, I overheard in my writer's room, one of the writers who was in the Democrat thing, well, they all were.

00:24:35.040 Which one was not?

00:24:37.300 She said, I'm just afraid this show is humanizing Trump voters.

00:24:41.620 Yeah.

00:24:43.120 Humanizing human beings.

00:24:44.540 Wouldn't want to do that.

00:24:45.820 Yeah.

00:24:46.040 I mean, think about that.

00:24:47.440 People can't hear themselves.

00:24:49.120 No, they can't.

00:24:49.700 I would never even think that about Biden voters.

00:24:51.380 I think they're human beings.

00:24:52.400 Of course they are.

00:24:53.520 And I know some of them, and not a ton at this point, but I do know still some.

00:24:57.560 I have all in my family.

00:24:59.340 You know, it's like, that's why I wanted to do the show I did, to show a Hillary hater and a Trump hater in the same family.

00:25:05.280 And they still loved each other, and they still loved each other, because I knew this terrible division they were pushing.

00:25:11.200 And then they blamed Trump for him.

00:25:13.020 It's like the rape victim, and they humiliate her.

00:25:17.200 Because that's why I said they treat Trump like a woman in the press, because it's a rape victim that they harass, set up, frame, and then refuse to let.

00:25:31.080 He doesn't even get a jury in that Letitia James trial.

00:25:34.560 I know.

00:25:34.660 So that's like, it's a witch burning.

00:25:37.120 It's not, he says witch hunt, but it's a witch burning.

00:25:40.740 And, you know, he's not allowed, he's under gag order to say this is bullshit, which everybody knows it is.

00:25:47.300 There's not even, you know, it's not even a law case.

00:25:49.960 It's lawfare gone mad, which the whole Democrat Party is just lawfare gone mad.

00:25:56.080 Lawyers that can't get a job anywhere else, but for corporations.

00:26:00.120 For corporations, and it gets me, because there's nothing less democratic than a corporation, for God's sake.

00:26:09.660 I have noticed that.

00:26:11.500 I would never work for one again, I'll tell you that.

00:26:13.740 No, I would never.

00:26:14.640 Ever, under any circumstances.

00:26:15.940 Do you trust anything that's being parroted out of the mouth of so-called experts on the TV?

00:26:22.980 No, when I hear trust the experts, I know they're lying.

00:26:25.400 After the last three years, I just don't trust anybody.

00:26:28.720 Me either.

00:26:29.040 Yeah, that's why I'm very excited to introduce you guys to the wellness company, and specifically their medical emergency kit.

00:26:37.860 Yes.

00:26:38.140 Because 90% of pharmaceuticals are produced overseas, like in China.

00:26:43.960 How scary is that?

00:26:45.180 Yeah, because, yeah.

00:26:47.940 If you go to war with them, you're not getting your meds.

00:26:50.900 You're not getting your meds if we go to war with China.

00:26:53.400 Right?

00:26:53.640 Yeah, there'll be a shortage.

00:26:55.280 They're already reporting a shortage of, like, antibiotics.

00:26:58.960 95% of pharmacies are reporting that there's a shortage right now.

00:27:03.000 Anyway, it's a scary time.

00:27:04.420 We need to be prepared.

00:27:05.520 The kit is, it has eight potentially life-saving medications so you can feel safer.

00:27:12.420 It comes with meds like, what?

00:27:17.560 Amoxicillin is one.

00:27:18.600 Amoxicillin.

00:27:19.120 You read those, Jake.

00:27:20.620 Ivermectin.

00:27:21.240 Oh, yeah.

00:27:21.580 That's the big one.

00:27:22.600 Z-Pak.

00:27:23.120 That's the horse paste.

00:27:24.000 Z-Pak.

00:27:25.020 And it also has a 22-page guidebook, which is basically like having a doctor on call.

00:27:29.280 Yeah.

00:27:29.720 You don't have to go on web, MD, and see if you have cancer.

00:27:32.700 They scare the shit out of you.

00:27:33.940 Yeah, but it's everything from tick bites to COVID.

00:27:37.620 Yeah.

00:27:37.840 Natural disasters to supply chain shortages.

00:27:41.600 Because that's a big one, supply chain shortages.

00:27:44.860 Yeah.

00:27:45.000 Yeah, they've got it covered.

00:27:45.960 Everything's covered.

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00:27:58.920 That's twc.health forward slash RB, and use the promo code RB for 10% off.

00:28:06.420 And the kits are only available in the USA, right?

00:28:09.460 Yeah.

00:28:10.000 Which is cool.

00:28:11.000 That's cool.

00:28:11.340 Yeah, that's how you know it's medically backed.

00:28:13.000 Because if it was like global, that'd be a little bit suspicious.

00:28:15.320 So, yeah, it's Dr. McCullough.

00:28:17.460 I've looked into it.

00:28:18.420 I mean, it's a legit company.

00:28:20.420 You know, don't take medical advice from us, obviously.

00:28:22.360 How many of them things do I have?

00:28:24.800 We just got three.

00:28:26.460 One for you and the two family members we care about.

00:28:30.040 Oh!

00:28:31.340 I got to get one of those for everybody for Christmas.

00:28:34.600 Yeah, that would be a great.

00:28:35.660 And a satellite phone.

00:28:36.600 A Christmas present?

00:28:37.320 That would.

00:28:37.660 That's what I'm doing.

00:28:38.260 So, write me down and get me that mail.

00:28:39.820 I will.

00:28:40.460 And liberal, your liberal children.

00:28:43.460 Oh, hell.

00:28:43.880 I'll even give them one.

00:28:45.020 They would love, they love ivermectin.

00:28:46.920 They're a huge fan of ivermectin.

00:28:47.680 Now they're huge fans after Joe Rogan came out, wasn't it?

00:28:50.780 No, that's, that was when it was horse-paced.

00:28:52.520 But yeah, anyway.

00:28:53.360 So, yeah.

00:28:54.120 TWC.health forward slash RB.

00:28:55.940 Use promo code RB for 10% off.

00:28:57.420 No, I'd rather be on the street.

00:28:58.780 I'd rather be poor.

00:28:59.560 Yeah, I've been poor.

00:29:00.460 It's not preferable, but better than working for those people.

00:29:04.080 Yeah.

00:29:05.140 Yeah.

00:29:06.140 Yeah.

00:29:07.120 It's something, isn't it?

00:29:09.320 Well, it's just, yeah.

00:29:11.180 Do you feel, remember I sent you that video when you got fired about, it was you and it

00:29:15.260 was a guy with your head, but he was tap dancing and he was getting thrown out and then he starts

00:29:20.500 flying.

00:29:21.360 Remember that?

00:29:22.660 Do you feel like you're flying?

00:29:24.900 Well, I was, I mean, I was not surprised.

00:29:27.640 I mean, of course I was surprised.

00:29:28.900 I didn't expect to get, you know, my show canceled Monday morning, but I wasn't, if

00:29:33.560 I took three steps back, I was not surprised at all.

00:29:35.960 First of all, television's like that.

00:29:37.860 People get fired.

00:29:39.000 There are all kinds of lines that no one will explain explicitly.

00:29:42.980 I'm a very literal person, so I would, totally happy if, you know, if I'm not, I would always

00:29:47.300 say just write it down for me.

00:29:48.840 Oh, I can't say, just send me a text.

00:29:50.760 I've got a bad memory.

00:29:51.960 That's what I say too.

00:29:52.920 Oh, I can't, I can't be conservative on a conservative TV channel.

00:29:55.360 Just, just write that down for me.

00:29:56.380 If you would, just so I can have it as a reference point.

00:29:58.900 Oh, well, you know the lines.

00:30:02.180 No, I really don't because I'm kind of stupid.

00:30:04.780 So if you could just, so I knew on a gut level, like I knew, they were very nice to me.

00:30:10.540 I should say that and be clear about it.

00:30:11.980 They were very nice to me the entire time I was there, but I could feel that they strongly

00:30:15.980 disagreed in the war in Ukraine stuff.

00:30:18.180 Do you think that's what it was?

00:30:19.500 I mean, I don't know.

00:30:20.180 I'm just speculating, but they, they really didn't like that at all.

00:30:23.260 The January 6th stuff, they really didn't like.

00:30:25.260 Oh, they hated that.

00:30:25.700 We had a bunch of people quit over that.

00:30:27.260 And, and mostly I would say mediocre, you know, like Chris Wallace should not be on

00:30:31.620 television or Jonah Goldberg or something, you know what I mean?

00:30:34.020 These are people who obviously the audience hated and shouldn't have been there in the

00:30:37.140 first place, but they were so outraged because I said, you know, it seems like there are probably

00:30:42.640 a lot of feds in the crowd on January 6th.

00:30:45.040 And now it turns out, of course, there were way more, even than I imagined, the whole

00:30:48.120 thing was a complete setup.

00:30:49.400 Yeah.

00:30:49.580 The whole thing was a lie and it was used to put people in prison for expressing their

00:30:53.780 constitution-protected rights.

00:30:55.400 One, a three-time Purple Heart winner.

00:30:58.180 Oh, I know.

00:30:59.020 Oh.

00:30:59.340 They have no shame.

00:31:00.540 Oh, absolutely not.

00:31:01.560 And by the way, what does it say about them?

00:31:03.480 I'm like, I would never put someone in prison, even if it committed like a real crime, unless

00:31:08.080 I really had to.

00:31:08.900 I don't want to put people in prison.

00:31:10.260 Yeah.

00:31:10.440 I guess I'm the liberal.

00:31:11.560 Yeah.

00:31:11.940 I visited, I was in a prison last week.

00:31:15.620 They're very depressing.

00:31:17.000 I saw Julian Assange in London.

00:31:18.440 I wanted to ask you about that.

00:31:19.440 Wouldn't put people in prison.

00:31:20.900 No.

00:31:21.460 Except for a very good reason.

00:31:23.520 And they-

00:31:23.740 Talk about the truth.

00:31:24.540 Put him in prison.

00:31:25.640 Talk about the truth being illegal.

00:31:27.480 Look at, he's paid for it with dozens of views.

00:31:29.460 Well, Assange has never been accused of lying, or of fraud, or of making money in some criminal

00:31:35.280 scheme.

00:31:36.280 Assange has been accused of telling the truth, period.

00:31:38.240 Yeah.

00:31:38.560 And they are torturing him to death in front of all of us.

00:31:41.720 No one's doing anything about it.

00:31:43.780 And that Mike Pompeo is a very, very sinister person.

00:31:46.780 Isn't he?

00:31:47.520 The worst.

00:31:48.320 And I always thought that, and I've told Trump that.

00:31:50.580 Never should have allowed him to run CIA or state.

00:31:53.060 But Mike Pompeo tried to have him murdered.

00:31:55.500 And that's a criminal act.

00:31:56.960 He was not even charged with a crime in the United States.

00:31:58.840 And Mike Pompeo was CIA director.

00:32:00.080 This came out.

00:32:00.760 Pompeo didn't deny it.

00:32:01.860 I never heard this.

00:32:02.620 Oh, yes.

00:32:03.140 Oh, absolutely.

00:32:03.820 I saw it.

00:32:04.180 Oh, my God.

00:32:04.740 He tried to have Julian Assange murdered, poisoned, in the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

00:32:09.940 And that's a fact, okay?

00:32:11.460 Wow.

00:32:11.580 And it's been established, and, okay?

00:32:14.040 Yes.

00:32:14.560 Why is Mike Pompeo not in prison?

00:32:16.320 You're not allowed to murder people extrajudicially, especially when they haven't even been charged

00:32:21.760 in the United States, which he had not been.

00:32:23.660 Wow.

00:32:23.860 So Mike Pompeo runs around these stupid Republican donor events, and you're like a world expert.

00:32:28.840 And he's a criminal, and he should be in jail.

00:32:32.860 Like, if Julian Assange is in jail, how about the attempted murderer, right?

00:32:36.480 How about the people-

00:32:37.100 What am I missing?

00:32:38.100 How about the people that put Julian Assange in jail?

00:32:42.380 They should be in jail.

00:32:43.360 A hundred percent.

00:32:44.300 First, they accuse him falsely of rape.

00:32:46.000 Rape.

00:32:46.720 So, you know, that just shuts people down.

00:32:49.720 Oh, he's a rapist.

00:32:50.420 It's like kiddie porn.

00:32:51.180 It's like, I don't even want to know more.

00:32:52.420 You're bad.

00:32:53.200 But then it turns out there was not enough evidence to charge him.

00:32:55.640 He didn't commit rape.

00:32:56.560 That was a lie.

00:32:57.880 He's never been accused of doing anything.

00:33:00.440 He's, by the way, he spent four and a half years in prison in the UK at Belmarsh Prison,

00:33:05.560 which is where all the murderers in London go.

00:33:08.260 Good God.

00:33:09.020 And he's never been charged with a crime in the United Kingdom.

00:33:13.000 To this day, he's not charged with a crime.

00:33:14.580 He's being held at the request of the U.S. government, and he's just sitting there, and

00:33:19.460 they're torturing him to death.

00:33:21.120 I mean, he's, of course, dying, as you are when you've spent a total of, what, 13 years

00:33:25.200 now in incarceration.

00:33:27.580 So it's-

00:33:28.520 I wanted Trump to pardon him, and I was really disappointed that he did.

00:33:31.740 I was disappointed, and I think, you know, Trump, I would say one, I think, very fair

00:33:37.120 criticism of Trump is he does tend to surround himself with some of the most mediocre people.

00:33:40.800 Yeah.

00:33:41.720 And I'm not-

00:33:42.100 I don't think he can find better.

00:33:43.800 That may be right.

00:33:44.920 But I have to say, Mike Pompeo, and I saw it up close, and I saw it intimately close,

00:33:50.400 is a liar and a flatterer.

00:33:53.280 But where are the flatterers?

00:33:55.400 You know, if someone comes up to you and says, I don't like you, fuck you, and here's

00:33:58.560 why, I can deal with that.

00:34:00.300 I can, too.

00:34:00.940 If someone's like, you know, I really think you may be the reincarnation of the Godhead.

00:34:04.340 I think you're Buddha, actually.

00:34:05.740 I'm just being honest with you.

00:34:06.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:06.500 That person is my enemy.

00:34:08.660 That's right.

00:34:09.040 That person is trying to subvert me, is trying to suborn me.

00:34:13.720 There's something very feline and dangerous about that, and that's who he is.

00:34:17.500 He's a liar.

00:34:19.000 And he's the reason that he- I'm not speculating.

00:34:21.780 He is the reason that Trump didn't release the JFK files, which implicate the CIA in the

00:34:27.940 murder of an American president.

00:34:29.700 Right.

00:34:30.280 And-

00:34:31.000 And others.

00:34:32.260 And others, yeah.

00:34:33.520 Yeah, well, true.

00:34:34.800 Anyway, yes.

00:34:38.200 But, yeah, Trump, I- that's why I- well, I'll tell you that later, but-

00:34:43.900 Sir, you're getting me going!

00:34:45.840 No, no, you're going where I want to go, and I'm already there, too.

00:34:49.700 But, yeah, I wish he had done that.

00:34:56.960 I think that all of us wanted him to do that.

00:34:59.260 And I think he knows that he made a mistake, and I think one of the-

00:35:02.700 I want him to say, if I'm re-elected, I will pardon Julian Assange.

00:35:07.580 Assange, and also because one man's life is as valuable as any other man's life.

00:35:11.620 I mean, we're all created by God.

00:35:12.960 The guy put his whole life on-

00:35:14.300 Totally right.

00:35:14.800 To expose to America the war crimes we were committing.

00:35:18.100 That's completely right.

00:35:19.040 But that's not why they're holding him.

00:35:20.200 They're holding him because-

00:35:21.360 So there was the Afghanistan and Iraq files, including that famous video of the reporters

00:35:26.540 getting killed.

00:35:27.240 Yeah.

00:35:27.480 So that was bad.

00:35:28.700 It was when he released details about the CIA- sorry, about the CIA's spying program they

00:35:35.580 had, including on Americans.

00:35:37.000 That's when Pompeo's like, we're going to kill him now.

00:35:39.040 Okay.

00:35:40.040 Yeah.

00:35:40.680 So the CIA doesn't have any oversight.

00:35:43.900 And also, it's also about the hacking of the DNC.

00:35:47.640 That's what I think it is.

00:35:48.560 That's what I think they-

00:35:49.640 Because he named Seth.

00:35:51.080 He said someone named Seth gave him the-

00:35:52.840 Yeah.

00:35:53.220 So I asked him directly about that in prison.

00:35:55.720 I asked him about Seth Rich.

00:35:58.560 And he said, I'm not going to-

00:36:00.360 And I mean this too.

00:36:01.240 He did not budge on, I'm not going to reveal my sources.

00:36:03.900 That's great for him.

00:36:05.100 So that means it was.

00:36:06.080 But it's pretty clear that those files were not hacked by Russia.

00:36:10.120 No.

00:36:10.380 There's no evidence they were hacked.

00:36:12.340 That was a leak.

00:36:13.040 Right.

00:36:13.380 That they were downloaded from within the building.

00:36:14.740 I think Bill Binney, I think from NSA, former NSA officer, pretty much demonstrated that.

00:36:19.820 And they lied about that.

00:36:22.280 And we wound up at war with Russia as a result of that lie.

00:36:24.540 So that's a pivotal moment.

00:36:26.960 I completely missed it, by the way.

00:36:29.360 At the time, Sean Hannity was all over it.

00:36:31.340 And I was like, I don't know what that's about.

00:36:32.600 I'm not getting involved in that conspiracy stuff or whatever.

00:36:35.200 And then a couple years later, I happened to know some of the people involved in that.

00:36:38.880 And personally, just because I live there, and I knew two people involved.

00:36:44.180 And one who worked at DNC and another who worked on MPD, the Metropolitan Police Department.

00:36:48.080 And both of them were like, dude, that's, come on now.

00:36:51.260 And I was like, really?

00:36:52.260 Yeah.

00:36:52.860 I thought it was obvious.

00:36:54.180 I thought it was.

00:36:54.780 So I didn't.

00:36:55.380 I was so stupid because I lived there.

00:36:57.080 You know, it was like, if you're surrounded, it's like, if you've ever known someone with

00:37:00.300 an alcoholic spouse, and they get divorced, and then all the friends are like, you know,

00:37:03.780 your wife was a really bad drunk.

00:37:04.880 And he's like, I know she liked to drink, but she was an alcoholic?

00:37:06.880 Really?

00:37:07.280 You're way too close to it.

00:37:08.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:09.020 And I just couldn't see it.

00:37:10.560 And I, Trump's arrival and the re, no, it wasn't Trump.

00:37:13.260 It was the reaction to Trump, really, from my neighbors and everyone I knew in Washington.

00:37:16.340 I was like, well, something's wrong here.

00:37:17.780 You can't even answer simple questions about why we're doing certain things, why NATO exists,

00:37:21.040 or whatever.

00:37:21.640 Yeah.

00:37:21.780 That was the first tip off, but it took me several years to realize just how screwed

00:37:27.780 up all this stuff was.

00:37:28.960 Yeah.

00:37:29.540 Because I knew everyone involved.

00:37:32.080 I mean, you spend a lifetime somewhere in a small town like DC, you know everybody.

00:37:35.980 And I'm like, I can't believe so-and-so was involved in something like that.

00:37:38.960 And then a lot of that stuff is true.

00:37:42.220 Yeah.

00:37:42.420 I mean it, too.

00:37:43.100 And I'm not speculating at all.

00:37:44.320 And I'm trying to be responsible and not overstate or whatever.

00:37:47.360 I'll say it for you.

00:37:47.700 But you'll say it.

00:37:48.480 Yeah.

00:37:48.540 But I'm just telling you, I guess what I'm saying is, the more you know about

00:37:51.740 it, the truer it obviously is.

00:37:53.740 Yeah.

00:37:54.240 Right in our face.

00:37:55.460 It's right in your face.

00:37:56.380 It's not like, you know, where the emperor goes down the street naked on the horse and

00:38:00.680 the people are like, hey, you're naked.

00:38:03.160 Or somebody says, some crazy old Jewish lady goes, you're naked.

00:38:08.420 And they try to lock her up.

00:38:10.340 But it's even worse because it's like, he's not just naked waving his penis in everyone's

00:38:19.120 face in the parades, which they're doing.

00:38:22.220 He's rubbing his butt right on our nose.

00:38:25.800 That's totally true.

00:38:26.400 Because he's like, do something about it.

00:38:28.260 You don't like it?

00:38:29.020 What do you mean you don't like it?

00:38:29.860 We're getting teabagged.

00:38:30.760 There's no doubt about it.

00:38:31.580 Absolutely.

00:38:32.420 That's the official term.

00:38:33.060 It's funny.

00:38:33.380 I was in my late 40s.

00:38:35.180 Sorry, that's so vulgar.

00:38:36.240 I'm so vulgar.

00:38:36.860 I love it.

00:38:37.500 I spent my whole life hearing the baby boomers talk about the Kennedy assassination.

00:38:43.680 And I'm just like, come on.

00:38:45.040 We had a war in commission.

00:38:46.020 There was this guy called Leroy Oswald, a Marine.

00:38:48.660 He defected to the Soviet Union.

00:38:51.340 It's obvious.

00:38:52.540 Like, he hated Kennedy because he was a Cold Warrior.

00:38:54.700 It all made sense to me.

00:38:56.180 I was literally in my late 40s before I was like, wait a second.

00:39:02.100 The lone gunman kills the lone gunman?

00:39:05.600 On TV.

00:39:06.580 On TV?

00:39:07.420 Like, wait, what are the odds of that anyway?

00:39:09.060 Two lone gunmen, really?

00:39:10.580 And anyway, so then it culminated last year when I spoke to someone at the age of 53 who

00:39:18.480 had seen the classified files that were not being released.

00:39:21.960 And I spoke to someone directly.

00:39:23.360 I'm not speculating.

00:39:24.180 It's someone who I know for a fact saw them and who told me directly on the phone, yes,

00:39:28.900 they implicate the CIA.

00:39:30.040 Wow.

00:39:30.560 James Jesus Angleton.

00:39:32.040 That's...

00:39:32.220 I mean, CIA is a big operation.

00:39:33.280 It's not everyone in the CIA, but the operations directorate run by this guy called Angleton,

00:39:37.020 very famous guy, yeah, they had absolute knowledge of this and participated in it.

00:39:42.960 And I was like, my head exploded.

00:39:45.020 I was like, I cannot believe all the crazy people were...

00:39:47.180 Well, right.

00:39:47.700 So that's...

00:39:48.080 It was so obvious to everybody else, but because I lived there, I knew, of course, I applied

00:39:51.640 to the CIA in college.

00:39:53.760 You did?

00:39:53.940 Oh my God.

00:39:54.540 I know.

00:39:55.160 It's like crazy.

00:39:56.220 You would have been good.

00:39:57.000 In 1991.

00:39:58.320 I mean, they didn't let me in.

00:39:59.540 Thank heaven.

00:40:00.100 I would have been terrible at it, but it's just...

00:40:02.540 It was such a far distance for me to go mentally to realize all this stuff.

00:40:08.460 I just can't even tell you.

00:40:09.820 And I finally left.

00:40:10.720 I had to leave the city.

00:40:11.460 I was like, I can't live here anymore.

00:40:12.920 Because you just have that naivete of...

00:40:16.360 Completely.

00:40:16.980 ...good, happy America where, you know, we all do.

00:40:20.900 We can't be shocked enough.

00:40:21.560 Especially when you know the people.

00:40:22.300 It's like, I know these people.

00:40:23.460 I've known Mike Pompeo since he was a congressman from Kansas.

00:40:26.740 And I never...

00:40:27.900 I was like, yeah, he's like your average Republican guy.

00:40:29.760 I didn't...

00:40:30.360 Mike Pompeo's not evil.

00:40:31.920 He's kind of like jovial.

00:40:34.080 He's pretty smart, actually.

00:40:35.100 Went to West Point.

00:40:35.980 Like, I never thought about it.

00:40:37.840 But it's like, no, this is really dark.

00:40:39.500 Nobody oversees the CIA.

00:40:41.580 Its budget is not publicly disclosed.

00:40:43.780 CIA owns companies and it kills people.

00:40:46.380 Yeah.

00:40:47.080 That's all fact.

00:40:48.220 I mean, that's not...

00:40:48.700 I'm not speculating at all.

00:40:49.600 And I don't mean...

00:40:50.700 I'm not talking about overthrowing Mosaddegh in 53.

00:40:53.400 I'm talking about 2023, 70 years later.

00:40:56.600 Right now, it's more powerful than it's ever been.

00:40:58.680 Absolutely.

00:40:59.020 And I mean, I don't want to get too personal, but like, I know a lot of people who work CIA.

00:41:05.380 And I know four different cases where I personally was involved or right next to someone who was, where CIA officers bought or sold multi-million dollar houses, including, you know, what I'm currently involved with.

00:41:18.900 And you sort of ask, like, how would a CIA officer be able to afford a $4 million house or a $10 million?

00:41:24.340 What?

00:41:24.600 You're a federal employee.

00:41:25.780 Like, where's this money coming from?

00:41:27.340 I probably shouldn't even be talking about this.

00:41:28.820 But it's like...

00:41:29.080 No, that's not like...

00:41:29.580 It's crazy.

00:41:30.460 I never even thought about it.

00:41:31.900 No, it's like that in Hawaii.

00:41:33.400 I'm like, wow, you must have made it big.

00:41:36.140 You know, because I'm nosy.

00:41:37.920 What'd you do?

00:41:38.600 Oh, well, we work for, you know, we're military contractors.

00:41:42.220 Yeah.

00:41:42.360 Wow, you got a house 10 times bigger than mine.

00:41:45.600 Okay.

00:41:46.160 And you were what?

00:41:47.520 Something like selling toothbrushes.

00:41:49.320 I don't know.

00:41:49.840 Something.

00:41:50.340 10% to the big guy is what it is.

00:41:52.480 Oh, I just saw that.

00:41:54.960 The other in the little town.

00:41:56.420 Again, I don't want to get too...

00:41:57.920 We don't want to get too much.

00:41:59.120 But I've seen that a lot.

00:42:00.960 In fact, the house that I lived in in high school in Georgetown, my father bought from a CIA officer in Georgetown.

00:42:07.360 And my father paid him in cash, in actual bills, $100,000 in bills.

00:42:12.980 And this guy didn't live there.

00:42:14.320 He lived in Ireland, but he'd been a CIA operations officer for his whole life.

00:42:18.580 You know, Second World War OSS, CIA.

00:42:20.500 My whole neighborhood was full of people like this.

00:42:21.980 And he owned this 3047 and a half N Street, Northwest, D.C.

00:42:27.000 That's where I lived.

00:42:28.420 And that was bought from Mr. Taddy, who was a CIA officer.

00:42:30.980 And it's like, how did...

00:42:31.640 I said to my dad, like, you paid him in bills?

00:42:33.500 Yeah, I went to the bank.

00:42:33.980 I got bills.

00:42:35.040 How did the guy...

00:42:36.000 He goes, I don't know.

00:42:36.800 It was some house that CIA owned, but he wound up with it.

00:42:38.860 It's like, is that how the federal government works?

00:42:40.980 I worked for a company.

00:42:42.360 They had lots of assets.

00:42:43.960 I didn't wind up owning those assets.

00:42:45.840 Like, what?

00:42:46.600 Who's doing the accounting here?

00:42:47.940 Like, what is this?

00:42:48.480 You know what?

00:42:48.960 It's such a scam.

00:42:50.680 Here's the scam of it, why they get the left and the right going on it.

00:42:55.540 Because they social...

00:42:56.980 I got to say this right.

00:42:58.940 They socialize the risk and then privatize the profits.

00:43:03.280 It's the greatest frigging scam you could come up with.

00:43:06.760 It's unbelievable.

00:43:07.120 It's a Stalin-Hitler pact.

00:43:09.360 More of that shit.

00:43:10.320 It is.

00:43:10.920 And Washington, D.C. is the beneficiary.

00:43:12.980 Yeah.

00:43:13.360 Nothing is made in Washington.

00:43:14.580 There's no innovation.

00:43:15.480 There's no manufacturing.

00:43:16.880 There's no banking, even.

00:43:18.480 Really, there's no finance sector.

00:43:19.920 There's really nothing.

00:43:20.740 There's no arts.

00:43:21.860 There's no television other than, like, cable news.

00:43:23.900 Just schlock.

00:43:25.180 The only business in Washington is government.

00:43:27.440 Okay.

00:43:27.900 That makes sense.

00:43:28.480 It's the capital city.

00:43:29.220 But it's also the richest city in the United States.

00:43:31.000 And the counties around it are the richest counties.

00:43:32.800 Like, eight out of ten, I think.

00:43:34.400 Yeah.

00:43:35.080 Or Collar, D.C., Ring, D.C.

00:43:36.660 It's all for them, like Trump said.

00:43:38.060 That's corruption.

00:43:38.740 If that was taking place in Africa, you'd be like, well, that's corrupt.

00:43:41.220 Yeah.

00:43:41.400 Yeah.

00:43:42.120 It's like the cartel.

00:43:43.120 Well, remember when Trump won because he said, we will be replacing this government that serves only to enrich itself, has nothing to do with you.

00:43:53.340 That's true.

00:43:53.540 Everyone loved that.

00:43:54.900 Because it's so true.

00:43:57.180 It is true.

00:43:57.760 They don't even see the homeless people on the street.

00:44:00.700 And they're still fighting over who's going to go.

00:44:03.120 They don't even close the border in this country, but they're closing it in Ukraine.

00:44:07.940 It's crazy.

00:44:08.260 They step over the bodies of fentanyl addicts.

00:44:10.900 They do.

00:44:10.920 On their way into their mansion.

00:44:12.700 Send more money to Ukraine.

00:44:13.340 There's no bodies now.

00:44:14.160 They cleaned it up for Xi.

00:44:15.880 Yeah, in San Francisco.

00:44:16.620 Totally clean now.

00:44:18.200 I don't think there's anything that's offended me more.

00:44:20.680 It's disgusting.

00:44:21.200 Me either.

00:44:21.620 Because what you're saying is you could have solved this problem with the people who live there.

00:44:24.200 Well, I want to know where he put them.

00:44:25.780 I want to know where he put those homeless people.

00:44:29.660 He might have sent them up to Aunt Nancy's Vineyard.

00:44:34.160 Maybe they're up there.

00:44:34.860 Totally possible, or else it's possible that the price of kidneys is going to go way down.

00:44:40.380 See, that's what I think.

00:44:41.880 Supply and demand.

00:44:42.920 Damn it.

00:44:43.360 That's what I thought.

00:44:44.400 The market for kidneys is flooded.

00:44:46.340 A lot of kidneys all of a sudden.

00:44:48.280 I think that it is.

00:44:49.600 You know what I say?

00:44:51.120 You know, I'm horrible.

00:44:52.720 No, I'm way darker.

00:44:53.760 This was the right podcast.

00:44:55.220 Because I said, well, you know what they're doing is they're grinding that up with the

00:45:00.540 Planned Parenthood fetus meat and selling it to Bill Gates for his new meat.

00:45:05.360 I swear they are.

00:45:06.620 That may be right.

00:45:07.460 They're going to be selling it at McDonald's, the new fetus burgers.

00:45:11.040 I've got bad eating habits, but I'm not eating there.

00:45:14.220 I'm telling you, it's going to be fetus burgers wall to wall.

00:45:17.800 That's what it is.

00:45:18.600 I wouldn't put it.

00:45:19.260 Mixed in with bugs.

00:45:21.740 Crickets.

00:45:22.420 Cricket powder for the WF.

00:45:24.020 Oh, it's just good.

00:45:24.760 How can they?

00:45:25.520 As long as they don't put it in Fig Newtons, I'll be safe.

00:45:26.960 I love Fig Newtons.

00:45:27.900 I do, too.

00:45:28.660 We were going to talk about smoking.

00:45:30.160 I want to go on there.

00:45:31.360 How much do you love smoking?

00:45:33.180 More than anything.

00:45:33.480 But you don't now.

00:45:34.460 When's the last time you smoked?

00:45:35.580 I smoked a cigarette this summer because a guy I know owns a cigarette company called

00:45:42.480 Hestia, very stylish little cigarettes.

00:45:46.260 And so he came, whatever, he sent me a couple cases of cigarettes, and I put them in our studio

00:45:52.480 because I think people should be allowed to smoke if they want.

00:45:54.860 You can always smoke indoors at my house.

00:45:57.400 Buck, what did you think of Kim Kardashian being named Man of the Year?

00:46:02.620 Who's Buck?

00:46:03.900 Oh, Buck.

00:46:04.660 Buck is my other son, my youngest child.

00:46:07.420 Kim Kardashian was not Man of the Year.

00:46:09.480 Yes, she was.

00:46:10.360 Kaylin?

00:46:11.080 No, Kim.

00:46:13.060 Save this for the Twitter show.

00:46:14.320 She was named Man of the Year.

00:46:15.480 That's true.

00:46:16.660 What year?

00:46:17.380 This year on GQ.

00:46:18.580 Holy smoke.

00:46:19.560 Nothing gets by this kid.

00:46:21.000 Okay, but I was thinking I should do, if she's Man of the Year, then I could sell this

00:46:26.740 product, which is called Manscaping.

00:46:29.340 Right, I know this product.

00:46:30.360 Because I could talk about, I could be Man of the Year like Kim and talk about shaving

00:46:35.300 my balls and stuff.

00:46:36.680 Yeah.

00:46:36.860 Or your face.

00:46:37.820 I know you shave your face a lot.

00:46:39.100 Oh my God.

00:46:39.940 I got the smoothest shave off my last couple days, but it wasn't this stuff.

00:46:44.860 No, I was going to say, I haven't used this.

00:46:46.960 I haven't used this on my face.

00:46:48.340 Maybe I should.

00:46:49.200 That's for your balls.

00:46:50.760 Huh?

00:46:51.400 That's for your afterball shave, but I'm saying you could try this on your face for

00:46:54.840 real.

00:46:55.660 They sent you the product to test, so you can shave your face.

00:46:58.020 I'll try it.

00:46:58.620 I'll use it.

00:46:59.460 Do you want to shave your beard right now?

00:47:00.840 I'm just going to put this first.

00:47:01.740 What you're promoting is this Performance Package 5.0 that's in the case.

00:47:05.480 That has the Lawn Mower 5.0, which is the razor.

00:47:09.620 Yeah.

00:47:11.160 That's the one bucks holding, so show that to the camera.

00:47:13.960 So with this kit, this is a Christmas gift for the man in your life or yourself if you're

00:47:17.800 a lady with balls.

00:47:19.160 So that's the Lawn Mower 5.0.

00:47:21.480 Yeah.

00:47:21.780 I'm saying try it on your beard right now.

00:47:23.700 No, because I already shaved.

00:47:25.060 Oh.

00:47:25.920 I'll have to wait until tomorrow.

00:47:27.260 The Weed Whacker 2.0.

00:47:28.640 Look at my arm.

00:47:29.420 In your other hand is the nose and hair trimmer.

00:47:32.040 This is?

00:47:32.680 Yeah.

00:47:33.060 And then it comes with two liquid formations that you're showing Buck.

00:47:35.660 Those are for helping aftershave with your balls or your face.

00:47:39.600 It also comes with that.

00:47:40.220 Oh, the nose hair and ear hair.

00:47:42.780 Whereas women are not.

00:47:45.180 Let's take finish.

00:47:46.380 It also comes with that.

00:47:47.360 But women think you're not well-groomed with nose and ear hair.

00:47:50.300 Yeah.

00:47:50.320 I always do my nose and hair.

00:47:51.560 That's more important than your balls, to be honest.

00:47:53.460 Some girls like hairy balls.

00:47:54.560 For the first date.

00:47:55.720 Yeah.

00:47:56.060 There are girls that like hairy balls.

00:47:57.640 There's no girls that likes hairy ears and nose.

00:48:00.220 That's correct.

00:48:00.940 So that's the important thing.

00:48:02.180 It also comes with that toiletry bag that you put over there if you can grab it.

00:48:04.900 Oh, yeah.

00:48:05.640 It comes with moisture wicking boxers.

00:48:07.420 Unfortunately, I tried those out, so I didn't want you to have to try those out because I'm wearing

00:48:12.120 them right now.

00:48:13.760 And the backs.

00:48:14.440 There's two adjustments for the deer.

00:48:17.360 Yeah.

00:48:17.600 And they protect your skin.

00:48:18.520 So you can put these right on your balls.

00:48:20.200 Oh, nice.

00:48:20.560 Or your face.

00:48:21.300 But it will not cut you.

00:48:22.680 That's the most important thing about this product.

00:48:24.640 Oh, yeah.

00:48:25.040 You don't want to cut your balls.

00:48:26.580 No.

00:48:27.000 Oh, God.

00:48:27.040 You don't want a product that, you know, where you cut your balls by using it.

00:48:32.000 No.

00:48:32.100 I think that's not a plus in a product.

00:48:34.460 No.

00:48:35.180 Do you?

00:48:35.800 Hell no.

00:48:36.320 I think it works.

00:48:39.980 Yeah.

00:48:40.360 It works, Ma.

00:48:41.240 You want it.

00:48:41.900 Yeah.

00:48:42.400 It's really good.

00:48:43.400 You keep that.

00:48:45.540 Yeah.

00:48:45.940 I don't really want to use it now.

00:48:46.740 Yeah.

00:48:47.120 Never mind.

00:48:48.140 That's all yours.

00:48:48.840 So anyway, Mom, please read this and then we can get back to Tucker.

00:48:52.380 Get 20% off and free shipping with the code ROSEANNE at MANSCAPED.com.

00:48:59.260 That's 20% off with free shipping at MANSCAPED.com.

00:49:03.380 And use the code ROSEANNE.

00:49:05.840 Gift him MANSCAPED.

00:49:09.560 Yeah.

00:49:09.960 And unwrap your favorite present this year.

00:49:14.600 Yeah, that MANSCAPED performance package.

00:49:16.220 Yeah, so you could buy this for Buck or anyone in your family or if you're a man watching.

00:49:20.020 I think it's a good gift to give your adult sons because, you know, it's a good message

00:49:25.080 to tell your sons that they have to have nice hygienic care about their, you know, presentation.

00:49:31.000 They're always talking about women have to get waxed.

00:49:33.040 That's true.

00:49:33.540 Blah, blah, blah.

00:49:34.260 Well, you could shave your balls back a bit.

00:49:36.920 Anyway, let's get back to Tucker.

00:49:41.120 So I smoked one.

00:49:43.480 I tried to smoke it and I quit when I was 45.

00:49:45.520 I'm now 54, so nine years ago.

00:49:48.300 And I didn't like it.

00:49:49.600 It's disgusting.

00:49:50.080 Really?

00:49:50.520 That's cool.

00:49:50.920 It was sad.

00:49:52.260 And I was like, oh, I'll probably get hooked again.

00:49:54.140 But you can't smoke it anymore.

00:49:55.020 So I figured I'm not going to get it.

00:49:56.140 And I was sitting alone in my barn and I was like, I'm going to fire one of these puppies

00:49:58.900 up.

00:49:59.060 And I smoke cigars and I, you know, I chew tobacco actually secretly quite a bit.

00:50:04.520 You love this.

00:50:05.340 You love this.

00:50:05.640 And then I use Zen.

00:50:06.920 Yeah.

00:50:07.480 I dip Copenhagen my whole, you know, since 1983, 40 years.

00:50:11.220 I've really enjoyed it.

00:50:12.260 But there's nothing like it.

00:50:14.440 I lost the tape.

00:50:15.560 It was like sucking it in.

00:50:17.140 I didn't like it.

00:50:18.160 Well, they're different now.

00:50:19.180 It's just like McDonald's isn't as good.

00:50:20.360 You can't just do it once, honey.

00:50:22.160 You got to keep trying it all.

00:50:23.440 I know.

00:50:23.800 I should have.

00:50:24.260 I should have done it.

00:50:25.120 Buy the fifth one you'd like.

00:50:26.300 I should.

00:50:27.720 You guys can go smoke now.

00:50:28.920 The best cigarette I ever had, I smoked Camel regulars, the little ones, my whole life.

00:50:32.900 Oh.

00:50:33.120 And then I switched at the end, at the very end of the last year, I smoked American Spirit Blues.

00:50:37.780 That's what everyone smokes now.

00:50:39.100 I hate those.

00:50:39.500 Man, I take the filter off those things.

00:50:41.140 I don't like filters.

00:50:41.980 I never liked them.

00:50:43.380 And I take the filter off that thing and it was the strongest cigarette I've ever smoked in my life.

00:50:47.100 Ever.

00:50:47.720 Stronger than a Camel, Lucky Strike, Pell-Mell, anything.

00:50:50.260 Chesterfield.

00:50:50.780 I mean, like, stronger than any of the French cigarettes.

00:50:53.940 Well, those are some good ones.

00:50:55.300 Well, that's a strong cigarette.

00:50:57.720 Yes, it is.

00:50:58.420 Whoa!

00:50:59.700 That does, you know, you read about, when there's a spate of ODs, you know, in a big city,

00:51:05.360 there's always some batch of heroin or fentanyl comes in that's like especially pure and all

00:51:09.940 the junkies line up for it and they'll hear that someone died of it and they'll all go

00:51:12.540 buy it.

00:51:12.960 No, that's the selling, that's the marketing.

00:51:14.400 It's the marketing, exactly.

00:51:15.880 And that's what American Spirit Blue with no filter felt like.

00:51:19.340 I was like, wow.

00:51:21.040 What was, oh.

00:51:22.240 No, go ahead.

00:51:22.820 Oh, I wanted to ask you about the Spain trip.

00:51:24.680 I know we're running.

00:51:25.380 No, I gotta do my cigarette story first.

00:51:28.660 My first cigarette, I gotta tell you, I told you about my dad, kind of loony.

00:51:33.680 Yeah.

00:51:34.360 Was he a smoker?

00:51:35.280 Oh, hell yeah.

00:51:36.780 Old gold.

00:51:37.780 Old gold?

00:51:39.040 Five packs a day.

00:51:40.360 Filter tipped or not?

00:51:41.400 No, no filter.

00:51:42.760 Yeah.

00:51:43.860 One like this all day.

00:51:46.800 So he thought it was real funny.

00:51:48.660 I was three.

00:51:50.080 He taught me to smoke when I was three years old.

00:51:53.120 Oh, that's so great.

00:51:54.800 I know.

00:51:55.200 It was so good.

00:51:55.920 Teach your children, I always say.

00:51:57.320 And I did it, and he'd have his friends, and he'd go, come here, Rosie.

00:52:02.040 And so I'd do it.

00:52:04.360 They'd all laugh, you know.

00:52:06.120 I knew how to do it real young.

00:52:07.960 I love that.

00:52:09.160 It's such an expression of, I don't know, don't even get me going.

00:52:13.720 But I think, I mean, obviously smoking long term is bad for you physically, of course.

00:52:17.780 It's not bad for you spiritually.

00:52:19.580 It's so good spiritually.

00:52:20.480 Dietrich Bonhoeffer and his Letters and Papers from Prison, which I totally recommend.

00:52:23.820 He's in a Flossenburg prison in Germany.

00:52:26.580 He's been implicated in the Hitler assassination plot.

00:52:29.120 And he's going to be hanged, which he was, right, at the end of the war in 1945.

00:52:32.080 But he has this collection of letters to his sister.

00:52:35.200 He was unmarried.

00:52:36.460 And in it, he's talking about God, and God is sustaining him, and he thinks he did the

00:52:40.020 right thing, even though he'll be killed.

00:52:41.520 But every letter's like, please send more tobacco.

00:52:44.100 Almost out of cigarettes.

00:52:45.300 C.S. Lewis, same thing.

00:52:46.320 I mean, there's no, smoking is bad for you, but it is not a sin against your spirit at all.

00:52:53.940 At all.

00:52:54.740 And I do think that having done drugs, I'll admit it, a lot of drug use is.

00:52:59.320 It changes who you are, actually.

00:53:00.900 Right.

00:53:01.300 And it makes it harder to have meaningful relationships with other people.

00:53:03.920 So the fact that we hate cigarettes, but encourage everyone to smoke weed that's like 40% THC

00:53:09.680 is completely changing your brain.

00:53:11.260 Or prescription drugs.

00:53:12.200 Or SSRIs or whatever.

00:53:14.100 Well, that's how I was going to ask you, because you said your writing process, and I'm

00:53:17.900 like, dude, how can you write if you're not smoking?

00:53:20.940 Well, it was good.

00:53:21.380 Because that's why I started again.

00:53:22.880 It was difficult.

00:53:23.260 And I, but the Zin, I have to say, which is just concentrated nicotine, really helped.

00:53:27.620 But, you know, I missed it.

00:53:28.940 And I'll tell you what, I don't take anything else.

00:53:32.840 I mean, I don't even take Advil.

00:53:33.780 Did it affect your writing that you couldn't smoke?

00:53:36.700 Well, if I'm being totally honest, I've only gone off nicotine once in my life since I

00:53:41.500 was a child.

00:53:42.120 I started when I was 13.

00:53:45.200 And I'm, you know, so I've smoked or used nicotine for 41 years.

00:53:48.440 And I've only gone off for one, how long was it, Emily?

00:53:50.820 Three or four months?

00:53:51.500 Yeah, but I mean...

00:53:53.580 And Emily's worked for me a lot and I just went like that.

00:53:55.780 No.

00:53:56.280 Yeah, I gained like roughly about 40 pounds and became crazy and started, I think, I'd like

00:54:05.120 to think I get along with everyone I work with and I never have, have you ever heard me yell

00:54:08.960 at anyone?

00:54:09.320 No, I'm not a yeller at all.

00:54:12.080 And I went so crazy on someone from the HR department when I went off.

00:54:18.060 I got, I went so crazy on this person, I was like the head of HR in the city that I probably

00:54:22.860 shouldn't talk about this.

00:54:23.600 But because I was off nicotine and she looked afraid and I could feel myself, I was like,

00:54:27.720 I lost control.

00:54:29.480 I said, get the fuck out of my office right now.

00:54:31.180 And then I filed an HR complaint against the head of HR.

00:54:34.660 And I called my producer and I'm like, I want to file an HR complaint.

00:54:39.400 Will you file it?

00:54:40.040 And he's like, whoa, whoa.

00:54:42.980 So yeah, it made me, I think if you use anything long enough, I'm not bragging about this at

00:54:47.400 all, by the way.

00:54:47.900 I'm saying this with some contrition and I would like to apologize to her for being that

00:54:52.880 crazy.

00:54:53.240 But yeah, I mean, I, some people I guess are meant to live without it, but.

00:54:57.320 Not you.

00:54:58.000 Probably not.

00:54:58.860 But what about when you're writing?

00:55:00.140 Are you on the computer or do you longhand it?

00:55:02.880 No, I'm, I, I'm, have dyslexia and I'm left-handed, right-eyed dominant.

00:55:09.200 I mean, I can barely write at all.

00:55:11.420 So I, I even write on my phone.

00:55:13.480 I've written a lot of scripts on my phone.

00:55:14.900 So what, what are you doing when you're like, you can't go like this?

00:55:20.240 Totally.

00:55:20.620 You can't do that.

00:55:21.200 I always write with one in my mouth.

00:55:22.380 I have a silver cup in the church I grew up in.

00:55:26.040 When you get baptized, they, they give you a silver cup.

00:55:28.860 I don't know if they still do this, but it's next to my bed now to hold my, my reading

00:55:31.700 glasses.

00:55:32.060 But for 25 years, it sat on my writing desk and I would take a pack of camels and it

00:55:37.280 fit of 20 cigarettes.

00:55:39.000 And I take the pack of camels and dump it in the silver cup right in front of me.

00:55:43.140 It has my name on it.

00:55:44.100 You know, Tucker Carlson, 1969, you know, Episcopal church or whatever.

00:55:48.160 And I would sit in there.

00:55:49.740 They don't have filters on it.

00:55:50.500 So you can either way you do it.

00:55:52.200 You can pull them out or flip them over.

00:55:53.760 It doesn't matter.

00:55:54.520 I keep them right there.

00:55:55.200 And I burn through multiple packs.

00:55:57.320 It's like industrial smoking.

00:55:59.360 But now you can write without that, huh?

00:56:02.420 Yeah.

00:56:02.760 It's been, you know, it's been nine years.

00:56:04.700 And, um, and also the beauty of working in TV, I don't have this anymore, but we worked

00:56:08.340 live obviously.

00:56:09.160 So I had a deadline for my script.

00:56:11.620 I filed at 745 for an 8 p.m.

00:56:13.720 Show.

00:56:13.960 I had to have a date period.

00:56:15.080 I mean, the show was going to go on no matter what.

00:56:16.680 Yeah.

00:56:16.860 So that was such a wonderful motivator, the fear of that.

00:56:20.560 And that is the only thing I miss from working in life to you, which I don't miss at all.

00:56:23.920 Um, cause it wrecks your life.

00:56:25.880 It makes you crazy.

00:56:26.640 But making the deadline.

00:56:28.040 I love the deadline.

00:56:28.900 Yeah.

00:56:29.180 I love, because I'm so lazy.

00:56:30.720 Yeah.

00:56:31.040 You know what I mean?

00:56:31.820 And entitled and like, I don't know.

00:56:33.300 I'm going to go fishing or play with my dogs or whatever.

00:56:36.040 Chase my wife around.

00:56:36.880 Um, TV show, like you have no, you know, no choice but to be serious.

00:56:41.220 And I, I do miss that.

00:56:42.620 So, so smoking or not, you still have to write the script.

00:56:45.100 Period.

00:56:45.680 Well, how is it affecting you now though?

00:56:47.500 What, when you don't have like the Gestapo waiting for you?

00:56:50.800 Well, I kind of like it.

00:56:52.040 I mean, I'm obviously older.

00:56:53.620 I mean, I'm, I'm kind of marching toward death here.

00:56:55.820 And, uh, I like being free.

00:56:58.820 I took seven foreign trips out of the country.

00:57:01.940 Wow, that's cool.

00:57:03.000 Yeah, it was neat.

00:57:03.800 You never did that before.

00:57:04.740 No, you couldn't.

00:57:05.500 I mean, we go, you know, whatever.

00:57:07.060 Go to Europe for a week in the summer with my kids or something.

00:57:09.080 But no, I, and we take one foreign trip or two a year at Fox.

00:57:12.260 But I really want to know what's going on in the rest of the world.

00:57:14.520 I think it's so interesting.

00:57:16.000 And so.

00:57:16.580 You just flew to Spain.

00:57:17.840 Yeah.

00:57:18.000 Yeah, last night.

00:57:18.680 And demonstrated against communism on your weekend.

00:57:22.400 I didn't mean to.

00:57:23.120 I went to go watch actually.

00:57:25.220 But yeah, I got, it was great.

00:57:26.960 But anyway, it was so liberating and great just to be able to see what's going on.

00:57:32.240 I went to the Middle East.

00:57:32.960 I went to South America.

00:57:33.680 I went all over Europe, East and West.

00:57:35.500 And I just, I learned so much.

00:57:37.960 And if you live here in the United States, we're cut off from everybody by oceans.

00:57:42.060 Yeah, we are.

00:57:42.340 And you have no freaking idea what's happening.

00:57:44.620 Well, we don't care either.

00:57:45.700 We don't care.

00:57:46.440 Thank you.

00:57:46.960 We don't.

00:57:47.180 You're exactly right.

00:57:47.740 They don't care.

00:57:48.560 It's true.

00:57:49.120 I don't.

00:57:49.640 Well, because we, we're so bombarded by useless information 24-7.

00:57:55.200 Yes, and lies and distractions.

00:57:56.780 Yeah, and lies, bullshit.

00:57:58.280 We don't have any space.

00:58:00.620 You know, our memory is full.

00:58:02.080 We don't have any space to contain facts or, you know, actual things going on in the world.

00:58:06.960 And the arrogance of being American.

00:58:08.280 Like, you think you're the only thing that matters.

00:58:11.000 That's how I always feel.

00:58:12.060 Yeah, and the rest of the world feels really different.

00:58:14.340 I do feel that way.

00:58:15.280 I actually feel that way.

00:58:16.060 The problem is that things change, but in your memory, they don't.

00:58:19.680 Yeah.

00:58:19.980 It's almost like you run into someone you knew when you were a kid or whatever, and they're

00:58:23.240 like fat and bald.

00:58:24.160 And you're like, wow, I can't.

00:58:25.420 You're not 14 anymore.

00:58:27.060 Yeah.

00:58:27.580 It just happened to me in an airport.

00:58:29.060 And what happened?

00:58:30.480 Well, time moved on, but you weren't paying attention.

00:58:32.480 And the world is the same way.

00:58:34.900 When I was a kid, we traveled a lot as a family, and you'd be, I mean, I remember getting pulled

00:58:39.700 over drunk driving in Latin America in the 80s when I was a freshman in college, and I

00:58:45.140 was just hammered.

00:58:46.220 It was a rainstorm.

00:58:46.940 I pulled over the military police.

00:58:48.180 I'll never forget in this country.

00:58:49.560 And I was like, I'm an American.

00:58:50.580 Like, they can't do anything to me.

00:58:51.780 Like, the arrogance of being an American then.

00:58:54.680 So I've got a blue passport.

00:58:55.960 I'm sorry.

00:58:56.360 You may not know this, but now I'd be like, fuck you.

00:58:59.860 You're going to jail.

00:59:00.460 Like, our ability to awe the rest of the world has just evaporated.

00:59:05.600 Yeah, that's gone.

00:59:06.300 It's actually the opposite.

00:59:07.180 That's all gone.

00:59:08.080 It's the opposite.

00:59:08.860 Yeah.

00:59:09.060 You don't want to say you're American if you're going to be quiet.

00:59:10.640 It's sad.

00:59:11.160 It bums me out.

00:59:11.980 And you don't get a sense of that living here at all.

00:59:15.220 In Spain, I mean, I just want to tie this together.

00:59:18.240 It seems like something's happening there that's happening here.

00:59:20.860 They're probably a little bit more advanced.

00:59:22.480 So we're talking about this evil infiltration.

00:59:24.860 Is it a populist uprising?

00:59:25.780 It's the same thing, right?

00:59:26.900 Is that it?

00:59:27.960 And it's global.

00:59:29.260 It's absolutely global.

00:59:30.120 And in fact, yeah, we just had dinner the other night with Santiago, with the guy, I'm

00:59:35.580 getting you, but he's the main opposition leader in Spain, runs the Vox Party.

00:59:39.340 And Abascal was his last name.

00:59:41.000 And he was just giving the overview.

00:59:43.140 What's going on?

00:59:43.460 Spanish politics is very complicated.

00:59:44.960 I've read a couple of books in the Spanish Civil War.

00:59:46.500 I still don't fully understand it.

00:59:47.980 It's very complicated politics.

00:59:49.180 Great country, but complicated.

00:59:50.320 Everything's an acronym.

00:59:51.440 Everyone's mad at each other for reasons you can't understand.

00:59:53.300 And, but basically at the end of dinner, I was like, that sounds like exactly the country

00:59:57.380 that I live in.

00:59:58.700 Yeah.

00:59:59.000 A small group of people are internationalists.

01:00:02.600 They run everything.

01:00:03.680 They have all the power.

01:00:05.300 They're backed by, you know, immigrants who know nothing about Spain, who are voting,

01:00:10.300 public employee unions, which are massive, and all the nonprofit sector and journalists.

01:00:16.540 That's it.

01:00:17.160 Right.

01:00:17.380 And then just normal people are completely screwed.

01:00:20.440 Their quality of life is in rapid decline.

01:00:22.720 They can't afford anything.

01:00:24.400 And they're mad.

01:00:25.220 And every time they complain about anything, someone screams, you're a racist.

01:00:28.160 Shut up.

01:00:28.820 Same thing.

01:00:29.700 And I'm like, wow, that sounds like where I live.

01:00:31.680 Yeah.

01:00:31.940 Except in Spain, Spain is always the leading edge of the stuff.

01:00:34.540 It was in 1936 during the Spanish Civil War.

01:00:36.760 It was obviously a preview of what happened to the rest of the world a few years later.

01:00:41.780 They have criminalized everything.

01:00:43.880 So it is a crime in Spain.

01:00:45.120 It is a crime in Spain to have the wrong opinions about the Spanish Civil War.

01:00:48.760 Wow.

01:00:49.220 Oh, my God.

01:00:50.180 And you're like, well, how can that even be?

01:00:51.720 Well, they don't have a First Amendment, and they don't have a tradition of freedom of speech.

01:00:55.460 And so it just is.

01:00:56.600 You can't get up and say, well, I think Franco did something important for the middle class.

01:00:59.800 You go to jail for that.

01:01:00.840 Wow.

01:01:01.240 Oh, my God.

01:01:01.920 I know.

01:01:03.120 And by the way, I should say, Spain-

01:01:04.460 Hillary's sending that kid to jail for a meme.

01:01:06.760 Exactly.

01:01:07.560 Yeah.

01:01:08.020 But what's crazy is this is not Africa, okay?

01:01:09.980 Spain is an extremely civilized country, way more civilized than ours in a lot of ways.

01:01:14.660 Yeah.

01:01:14.840 With a thousand years of culture.

01:01:16.860 And their art and buildings.

01:01:18.180 And wonderful people, the most polite people in Europe.

01:01:21.440 And just everything about it is great.

01:01:22.800 It's not primitive at all.

01:01:23.840 It's the opposite of primitive.

01:01:25.380 It's also very clean and pretty, and people are handsome.

01:01:28.280 Everything about it is great.

01:01:29.520 But their political system is medieval.

01:01:32.500 It's primitive.

01:01:33.200 Yeah.

01:01:33.440 It's totalitarian in a way that you wouldn't think could exist in a place like that.

01:01:37.260 It did not give me hope at all.

01:01:39.060 Mm-hmm.

01:01:39.440 At all.

01:01:40.440 Well, how are you feeling for our country?

01:01:42.540 Not good.

01:01:43.260 Me either.

01:01:43.580 But I do think that the first step in understanding and combating what's happening now is seeing

01:01:49.240 that it's not a political battle at all, not Republicans and Democrats.

01:01:52.300 I've got nothing in common with most Republicans in the Congress.

01:01:54.580 Me either.

01:01:55.020 They don't share my views or values.

01:01:56.440 They don't care about my family.

01:01:57.460 Mm-hmm.

01:01:57.660 They hate me.

01:01:58.580 So they don't represent me at all.

01:01:59.940 I would vote for them because what else am I going to do?

01:02:01.580 But it's not about right, left.

01:02:04.620 It's not about Republican, Democrat.

01:02:06.320 This, I mean, some arguments are, of course.

01:02:08.540 Right.

01:02:08.800 But the big ones are not.

01:02:10.160 No.

01:02:10.760 It's light versus darkness.

01:02:12.380 Yeah.

01:02:13.120 And I'm not always positive that I'm on the right side.

01:02:16.320 I don't want to be, I don't want to imagine that I'm always right because I'm not.

01:02:20.620 That's for sure.

01:02:21.260 But I want to be on the right side.

01:02:22.560 Right.

01:02:22.960 And I want to see it in the correct terms.

01:02:25.220 Mm-hmm.

01:02:26.040 And I don't think it hurts to say a prayer once in a while.

01:02:28.580 So you question it.

01:02:28.680 So you question it, right?

01:02:29.900 I question myself a lot.

01:02:31.940 No, but I mean, you question the information.

01:02:34.200 That's how you know you're not under mind control is that you don't go back to the same sources

01:02:39.180 for your information.

01:02:40.080 I don't want those sources in my head.

01:02:41.740 I've read the New York Times in years.

01:02:42.500 No, you've got to read a wide variety of sources, I think.

01:02:45.920 Yes.

01:02:46.460 And knowing the one thing that I do know is that truth inflames them more than anything.

01:02:52.120 That is a fact.

01:02:53.440 That's true.

01:02:53.720 That is a fact.

01:02:53.780 So it's a pretty simple way to figure out what's true.

01:02:56.360 You just watch.

01:02:57.060 It's almost like, you know, I like to fly fish in saltwater fly fishing.

01:03:01.340 You look for the birds.

01:03:02.720 Where's, you know, where are the big fish going to be?

01:03:04.340 They're going to be around the bait, the bait and the little minnows swimming around.

01:03:07.640 Where are the minnows?

01:03:08.280 Well, there are birds circling them.

01:03:09.980 So you look up in the sky and there are a bunch of birds diving into the ocean.

01:03:12.820 You're going to have fish there.

01:03:13.740 Okay.

01:03:14.000 That's how fishermen know where the fish are.

01:03:16.080 I want to know what's true.

01:03:17.320 I look at who's being attacked.

01:03:18.760 Oh, that's a good one.

01:03:19.700 Who's, and what are they saying that has gotten them in trouble?

01:03:23.300 And whatever they're saying is, doesn't prove it's true, but it suggests it's true.

01:03:27.460 Or it's truth adjacent.

01:03:28.720 They're getting warmer.

01:03:29.880 So it's like where there's smoke, there's fire.

01:03:32.000 A hundred percent.

01:03:32.460 Right?

01:03:33.180 So they really don't, they didn't want us talking about anything to do with vaccines.

01:03:37.280 No, they didn't.

01:03:38.000 And now, then they kind of relaxed that.

01:03:40.560 I got, on YouTube, we're allowed to say it now.

01:03:42.780 And we're just not allowed to say anything about vaccine injuries.

01:03:47.080 We're not allowed to say that.

01:03:49.060 Well, I had a child, yeah.

01:03:51.480 Yes.

01:03:51.900 I happen to know for a fact those are real because it happened in my family.

01:03:54.440 It happened in my family too.

01:03:56.440 Yeah.

01:03:56.840 This was a flu vaccine.

01:03:57.920 Yeah.

01:03:58.220 15 years ago.

01:03:59.020 And I didn't know, I can't overstate how conventional and trusting I am.

01:04:03.900 I'm the opposite of a radical.

01:04:05.400 Like whatever it is they tell me, I kind of believe it.

01:04:07.580 Like why wouldn't I?

01:04:08.660 Because I try not to lie too much in my personal life.

01:04:10.820 So I believe other people.

01:04:11.740 Well, it took, I was shocked when I detected deception around vaccines.

01:04:17.340 I never thought they would lie.

01:04:18.480 It's science.

01:04:18.960 You can't lie about it.

01:04:20.260 Oh yeah, you can.

01:04:21.280 Well, that's for sure.

01:04:22.580 Yeah.

01:04:22.780 But it took me months to, we were covering this every single night.

01:04:25.080 And I was like, this can't really be happening.

01:04:27.060 They're pushing this on people when they know that it hurts them and they don't actually know the long-term effects of it.

01:04:33.840 They factor in how much it's going to cost them for when the families of the dead sue them.

01:04:39.060 Okay, that'll be 2%, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:41.220 Well, they're not allowed to sue with vaccines.

01:04:43.040 Well, they did.

01:04:43.740 I heard that they removed that, they removed that, whatever it is that protects them.

01:04:49.060 Where are the trial lawyers on that?

01:04:50.340 I mean, the trial lawyers used to run DC, like you'd sue for everything.

01:04:52.960 That's what I wonder.

01:04:54.060 I couldn't find one lawyer in all of California to go against Disney.

01:04:58.440 What is that?

01:04:59.140 Everybody I called said, I'm sorry, we do work for Disney so we can't take this case.

01:05:03.160 You can't even have an interesting playground equipment anymore because of the lawyers suing over playground injuries.

01:05:08.680 Yeah.

01:05:09.180 But you can't find lawyers to like push back against the vax mandates?

01:05:13.120 Like what is that?

01:05:13.960 Or Disney.

01:05:15.100 It's pure.

01:05:15.560 In Hollywood.

01:05:17.180 You'd think some son of a bitch that just got out of law school would be hungry.

01:05:21.580 It's like a cut and dry case.

01:05:22.680 Would you say Disney's a force for good or no?

01:05:25.500 No.

01:05:26.560 I say, you know, there are some things about it that are so cute.

01:05:30.720 Like I love the movie Moana and I just love that movie because it's about a girl and her grandmother.

01:05:38.440 And, you know, so of course I love my grandmother, you know, and she's like, I am Moana.

01:05:45.120 And she's like, I don't know how far I'll go.

01:05:49.000 But here she is, the chiefess.

01:05:50.720 She's a chiefess when she's only eight and she has to save her people by learning how to navigate this ship alone.

01:05:59.140 And I was like, yes, that was me.

01:06:02.680 I am Moana.

01:06:04.580 You know, so I love it.

01:06:05.540 When did you realize you were Moana?

01:06:07.260 When I saw it with my granddaughter and we were sitting there and I was just, when the grandma comes back and she's this dolphin that leads her granddaughter to save the people.

01:06:19.500 So I just could not take it.

01:06:22.600 And I told all my friends who are survivors of abuse and stuff, I go, I got something for your ass.

01:06:28.920 Sit down here.

01:06:29.740 We're watching Moana.

01:06:31.680 And they all, we were reduced to tears.

01:06:34.420 So I can't all the way hate Disney because of Moana.

01:06:37.600 Yeah, that's fair.

01:06:38.240 You separate the art from the artist.

01:06:39.860 And I just love it.

01:06:40.980 And so did all my friends.

01:06:42.200 And my friend Kathy came to see me wearing the Moana necklace.

01:06:47.240 And we are all Moana because we see that line where the sun meets the sky.

01:06:52.960 I mean, where the sea meets the sky.

01:06:55.120 I don't know how far I'll go, but it calls me.

01:06:58.280 I must go.

01:06:59.940 I am Moana.

01:07:01.700 You know, it's like everything I always felt my whole life.

01:07:04.840 And, you know, I'm going to go to the edge and find out for myself.

01:07:09.920 And I did.

01:07:11.620 So I had Moana.

01:07:12.140 When did this come out?

01:07:14.120 Well, Maisie was 18 months old.

01:07:16.420 So she's eight now.

01:07:17.780 Yeah.

01:07:18.220 Was it seven?

01:07:19.020 Seven, eight years ago?

01:07:20.000 Years ago.

01:07:20.200 But they have great movies.

01:07:20.960 You've got to watch Moana.

01:07:21.820 Yeah.

01:07:22.040 It's one of the big cultural events.

01:07:23.240 One of the many I miss completely.

01:07:24.360 I never heard of Moana.

01:07:24.740 You've got to watch it.

01:07:25.300 I've literally never heard of Moana.

01:07:26.040 If you loved your grandmother, you will weep.

01:07:29.020 I'll tell you.

01:07:29.680 I didn't.

01:07:30.600 Oh, fuck it then.

01:07:31.960 She could never get my name right.

01:07:33.520 She never?

01:07:34.380 No.

01:07:34.720 She always called me my brother's name.

01:07:36.180 She always called me Buckley.

01:07:37.100 That's what she does.

01:07:39.340 I do that.

01:07:40.100 She'd have a cigarette burning.

01:07:41.200 Oh, Buckley.

01:07:42.080 I'm going to pat my head.

01:07:43.460 Get me a drink.

01:07:44.380 Okay.

01:07:45.200 Sounds just like me.

01:07:46.740 My grandson was eight years old, and he goes,

01:07:49.500 Granny, I want to do my impression of you.

01:07:51.500 They're all funny.

01:07:52.740 I go, what?

01:07:53.320 He goes like this.

01:07:54.180 Glug, glug, glug, glug.

01:07:56.040 But I want to ask him before.

01:07:59.340 I don't know how long we have.

01:08:00.640 We have a few minutes.

01:08:01.820 I have to hit the hour mark, so we've got about seven, eight minutes.

01:08:03.900 We have to ask him about Kaczynski.

01:08:05.840 Yeah.

01:08:06.220 That's what we really want to talk about.

01:08:07.720 If you want.

01:08:08.320 I don't want to get you in trouble.

01:08:08.980 Oh, Uncle Ted?

01:08:09.920 Oh, we love him.

01:08:11.020 His writing is beyond genius.

01:08:13.200 Yeah.

01:08:13.780 I mean, I don't want-

01:08:14.260 So let me just say, I'm really trying to be a responsible citizen.

01:08:17.620 You can edit anything out of the time.

01:08:19.200 But we kind of get crazy.

01:08:20.100 No, no.

01:08:20.460 I just want to say, I think it's very bad to send mail bombs to people.

01:08:25.240 Of course.

01:08:25.480 Oh, absolutely unacceptable.

01:08:27.220 And David Glurnter, who is one of the people I respect in this world, who's a computer science

01:08:31.840 professor at Yale, was gravely injured by Ted Kaczynski with a mail bomb.

01:08:37.100 So I'm totally opposed to that.

01:08:38.400 But also, I'm opposed to the personal behavior of many artists and intellectuals.

01:08:43.100 I can't think of a single-

01:08:44.000 I love Tolstoy.

01:08:45.320 Yeah.

01:08:45.500 I'm glad that my daughter didn't marry Tolstoy.

01:08:47.280 Yeah.

01:08:47.600 Do you know what I mean?

01:08:48.140 Yeah.

01:08:48.460 Yeah.

01:08:48.540 So I am capable of separating the two.

01:08:51.520 His, the Industrial Society and its Consequences, and then the second book, whose name escapes me,

01:08:55.680 but I've read them both, that he wrote in prison.

01:08:57.260 And some of the most interesting things I've ever read in my life.

01:09:00.180 Yeah.

01:09:00.440 Ever.

01:09:00.680 Me too.

01:09:00.800 And the irony is, I think he committed all those crimes who killed people in order to

01:09:07.000 get publicity for this manifesto, this book, and it had the opposite effect, which people,

01:09:12.660 you know, which is the people ignore it because it's the rantings of a crazy man.

01:09:15.940 Well, read the book.

01:09:17.020 And basically the thesis is, I mean, he was no liberal either.

01:09:20.760 I didn't realize that.

01:09:21.500 No, he was not at all.

01:09:22.480 No.

01:09:22.820 And he's a genius.

01:09:24.020 You know, he's like-

01:09:24.440 Absolutely.

01:09:25.080 One of the youngest math professors in Berkeley history and et cetera.

01:09:28.220 But basically it's that there's a massive cost to technology.

01:09:32.080 I mean, if I sum it one phrase, there's a massive cost to technology that we don't perceive

01:09:36.220 and it's entirely possible, in fact, likely, in fact, certain, that technology will progress

01:09:41.740 to a place where we can't control it and that it will instead control us.

01:09:45.440 And I, clearly we're there.

01:09:46.740 Yeah.

01:09:47.240 Clearly.

01:09:47.980 And it's dehumanizing and it has, it, it extracts a massive toll from the physical landscape,

01:09:53.140 the environment, which I care very strongly about, not global warming bullshit,

01:09:57.840 but like the actual environment, you know?

01:09:59.840 The actual planet.

01:10:00.840 Yeah.

01:10:01.160 Yeah.

01:10:01.400 Because I love it.

01:10:02.200 Pollution is not good.

01:10:02.680 I'm a sportsman.

01:10:03.120 I'm an outdoorsman.

01:10:03.820 So it's meaningful to me.

01:10:04.980 Very meaningful.

01:10:05.640 So anyway, I think that his two books are among the most interesting I've ever read.

01:10:10.980 And I've given them to people and everyone acts like I'm crazy or want to live in a cabin

01:10:15.540 in Montana, which of course I do.

01:10:17.180 But I don't think that makes you crazy, actually.

01:10:19.680 I think what's crazy is that working at Citibank-

01:10:22.200 Yeah.

01:10:22.540 You know what I mean?

01:10:23.880 And like driving in from some depressing suburb in New Jersey for an hour and a half

01:10:29.280 in traffic to work a soulless job that has no inherent meaning whatsoever, there's probably

01:10:33.460 actually net, net bad for the world to be mistreated by some disgusting series of supervisors

01:10:39.140 in the HR department and then to schlep home to a wife who hates you because you've been

01:10:43.200 emasculated.

01:10:44.020 Like that's the experience of millions of people.

01:10:45.920 Yeah.

01:10:46.260 Is that crazier than living in a cabin alone in Montana and growing your own food?

01:10:50.140 It's way crazier.

01:10:51.200 I agree.

01:10:51.540 It's way, way crazier.

01:10:52.640 I did live in a cabin in the mountains of Colorado.

01:10:55.940 Ah!

01:10:56.540 Yeah, for a number of years.

01:10:57.780 We'd be snowed in 10 feet of snow on our log cabin.

01:11:01.960 Oh, that's my dream.

01:11:02.380 And have to break it down with our arms.

01:11:04.760 Did you have electricity?

01:11:06.260 Yeah, we did have a single light bulb and two plugs.

01:11:10.500 Could you heat it?

01:11:11.980 I mean, I assume you use wood stoves.

01:11:14.200 I don't remember if we heated it.

01:11:16.040 I think we had a thermostat in there too.

01:11:19.180 Yeah.

01:11:19.380 Didn't you live in a cave?

01:11:21.240 I did live in a cave.

01:11:22.340 You lived in a cave?

01:11:23.080 I lived in a cave because I became very ill and, you know, one of those homeless type

01:11:28.440 things.

01:11:28.960 So I went and slept in a cave above my job.

01:11:32.060 Listen to this.

01:11:32.840 I know you won't give a shit, but Biden's new budget proposes 4.7 trillion dollars.

01:11:42.420 That's T trillion.

01:11:44.100 4.7 trillion dollars in new taxes.

01:11:54.860 Trillion?

01:11:55.620 What is that?

01:11:56.380 Like that's a billion, billion or three times a billion, billion?

01:11:59.940 It's a thousand billion.

01:12:01.560 Good Lord.

01:12:02.720 Yeah.

01:12:03.160 In taxes?

01:12:04.500 It's just the money.

01:12:05.360 Who the hell do we owe it to is what I want to know.

01:12:07.780 I'll tell you what.

01:12:09.200 Mostly ourselves.

01:12:09.560 Huh?

01:12:10.240 Mostly ourselves.

01:12:11.180 I don't know.

01:12:11.900 I don't know.

01:12:12.280 No one knows.

01:12:12.900 No one knows what the devil tells me.

01:12:14.320 I know because I've done the biblical numbers for it and everyone will say I'm crazy, but

01:12:21.120 I am not crazy.

01:12:23.320 We owe that debt to Jeffrey Epstein.

01:12:27.480 Hello?

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01:12:50.240 It's actually just what you owe Jeffrey Epstein.

01:12:53.100 So sign down here on the dotted line.

01:12:56.120 Do it.

01:12:57.280 Yeah.

01:12:57.560 If you want your job and you've got to take five or six of these shots after you do that.

01:13:02.620 Shots is in the vaccine or shots is in pictures of having sex with children?

01:13:06.440 Well.

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01:14:03.280 Yeah.

01:14:03.540 Protect your wealth.

01:14:04.240 That's what it's about.

01:14:04.980 It's not an investment.

01:14:06.080 I don't tell people to buy gold and silver because like, oh, you're going to make billions

01:14:08.620 of dollars.

01:14:09.180 It's not that.

01:14:10.220 It's not Bitcoin where it's bullshit thing that's going to collapse.

01:14:13.920 It's just protecting...

01:14:14.680 It's a real Jew selling real gold.

01:14:17.000 This is like, this is what you do when you're a Jew is you sell gold.

01:14:20.040 This is what God has asked us to do.

01:14:21.680 That's why we were chosen.

01:14:22.740 But really, it's about protecting what you have.

01:14:25.200 Yeah.

01:14:25.460 I lived in a cave there.

01:14:26.600 What was that like?

01:14:29.240 You know, I had a sleeping bag and it was hidden.

01:14:32.940 Did you run into any bears?

01:14:34.980 No bears.

01:14:35.880 There was mountain lions though.

01:14:38.180 But I just, you know...

01:14:40.060 See, that sounds a lot better to me than waking up in the Phoenix Marriott, you know,

01:14:45.820 on the road as a, you know, some McKinsey consultant.

01:14:49.620 Yeah.

01:14:49.820 So that doesn't sound so bad to me.

01:14:50.820 I was a hippie.

01:14:51.480 I walked barefoot down the mountain to work, to wash dishes for 10 hours a day for $50

01:14:57.220 a week, six days a week.

01:14:59.680 That's how it was.

01:15:00.740 So I used to make fun of that, but I think it sounds idyllic now.

01:15:04.080 You know, I could do it again.

01:15:05.900 I thought you were going to smoke.

01:15:08.660 I could do it again.

01:15:10.040 I could be without nothing and still be very happy.

01:15:13.700 I like it in Hawaii.

01:15:14.900 I live in a kind of...

01:15:15.900 I live in a real simple life in Hawaii and I love having my toes in the dirt and growing

01:15:22.040 stuff and just having quiet times to write.

01:15:26.780 I love to write.

01:15:28.100 Yeah.

01:15:28.220 I write like a maniac.

01:15:30.860 You need quiet to do it.

01:15:31.960 Yeah.

01:15:32.400 None of it makes any sense.

01:15:34.220 It's like halfway this and then.

01:15:35.960 I just put it in a plastic bag and save it.

01:15:39.400 I never edit.

01:15:40.460 You write in longhand?

01:15:41.100 Mm-hmm.

01:15:41.540 Yeah.

01:15:42.440 Mostly.

01:15:42.740 That's why I thought maybe you did too.

01:15:44.360 No, I can't.

01:15:45.080 In fact, I could never...

01:15:46.300 I didn't do well in school at all and it was only when...

01:15:49.980 I didn't have a computer until I had a word processor in part of college, but that really

01:15:56.040 liberated me.

01:15:57.180 I'd never seen...

01:15:57.920 You know, we just wrote everything by hand.

01:15:59.960 I just want to tell you how excited I am to have had you on my show and to be able to

01:16:05.580 speak with you.

01:16:06.380 Oh, I've loved it.

01:16:07.100 I wanted to tell you, when you used to wear the bow tie, I used to be so mad at you all

01:16:12.680 the time, but I used to always watch you.

01:16:14.260 You were not alone.

01:16:14.940 I didn't like it either.

01:16:15.700 And I used to go...

01:16:17.280 I didn't like it either.

01:16:18.180 Who is that kid?

01:16:19.160 Yeah.

01:16:19.780 I go like, I am...

01:16:21.560 You know, I would imagine myself in a room full...

01:16:24.360 If only I'd known because I was giving my stupid opinions that somewhere in LA, Roseanne

01:16:28.840 Barr was yelling at the TV, I would have been really...

01:16:30.640 No, but I was really focused on it because I was like, I loved how you did it and I mostly

01:16:37.600 liked what you said, but I was really turned on when I disagreed because it fired me up

01:16:44.820 and I'd write like a bitch.

01:16:45.820 So they shouldn't put...

01:16:46.580 I was in my 20s.

01:16:47.300 They shouldn't put kids in their 20s on TV.

01:16:49.160 Like, on what grounds are you on TV?

01:16:50.900 I always wondered that, even of myself.

01:16:53.160 Like, I haven't done anything.

01:16:55.020 Like, why am I commenting on world events?

01:16:57.300 Like, I don't know shit.

01:16:58.220 Because that was the diamond in the rough that became you and that we're all so proud of.

01:17:04.980 Well, I certainly learned a lot.

01:17:06.260 I'll tell you that.

01:17:07.520 You did and you came to the light and, you know, I'm so proud of you and your big, big

01:17:13.720 voice that amplified a million times after you got out of, you know, the slats they stuck

01:17:20.060 you in and we just love you so much.

01:17:22.380 Thank you.

01:17:23.180 And thank you.

01:17:24.100 Thank you for having me.

01:17:25.640 I love this.

01:17:26.940 The whole podcast, one last thing, the podcast genre.

01:17:31.380 Medium.

01:17:32.440 Yeah.

01:17:33.380 It's like, that actually is, if I had known what it was like when I spent, you know, 27

01:17:37.800 years in cable TV, I would have quit a lot earlier.

01:17:40.260 Yeah.

01:17:40.600 Maybe even before I was fired.

01:17:42.620 Because people actually listen to podcasts.

01:17:45.060 Yeah.

01:17:45.420 And it is a kind of ongoing education.

01:17:47.520 That's my sense of it.

01:17:48.720 Yeah.

01:17:49.120 Like, people want to know what's going on.

01:17:50.100 They don't trust.

01:17:50.980 Obviously, no one's going to read the New York Times.

01:17:52.320 It's pure garbage.

01:17:53.040 Washington Post, even worse.

01:17:54.220 Where do you get your news?

01:17:54.940 And people get it.

01:17:55.860 They think things through with podcasts.

01:17:57.720 Yeah.

01:17:58.280 And I didn't know that until I started doing them.

01:18:01.280 It's very cool.

01:18:01.920 I'm like you.

01:18:02.460 I never listened to them.

01:18:03.440 I mean, we were just talking about it.

01:18:04.240 Yeah.

01:18:04.580 It's like, why would I sit for an hour and a half and listen to someone?

01:18:06.960 Oh, people do.

01:18:07.740 I can't elaborate.

01:18:08.320 No, people do.

01:18:09.020 Because they talk like you do in a language you can understand.

01:18:11.820 And they're drawn to the opposite of bullshit.

01:18:15.720 Yes.

01:18:15.840 They want to hear something with integrity and honesty.

01:18:19.520 Yes.

01:18:19.840 And truth.

01:18:20.940 Well, that's how you build your podcast.

01:18:22.520 So that's what it's so cool about.

01:18:22.900 I would have quit a fucking hundred years ago.

01:18:25.180 I would have known too, Tucker.

01:18:27.300 Well, that's the blessing of getting fired.

01:18:29.600 Yeah.

01:18:29.660 You don't have to quit.

01:18:30.380 They do it for you.

01:18:31.280 Yeah.

01:18:31.640 So we're both lucky.

01:18:33.620 And onward may it go.

01:18:36.480 Amen.

01:18:37.380 Amen.

01:18:37.620 Thank you.

01:18:38.040 Thank you.

01:18:38.540 Thank you, Tucker.

01:18:39.580 Thank you, Tucker.

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The Roseanne Barr Podcast - November 30, 2023

Tucker Carlson ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #024

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