The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - An Evening at the Reagan Library Discussing Suicidal Empathy (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_1003)

00:00:00.000 We'll start really easy. I scrambled all those words up. What do you mean by suicidal empathy?

00:00:06.280 So as you correctly said, empathy is an evolutionarily selected trait. So this is

00:00:12.100 not an attack on empathy. We are a social species. For you and I to have a meaningful conversation,

00:00:17.260 I need to put myself in your mind and vice versa. That's called theory of mind,

00:00:20.760 which is part of cognitive empathy. But like Aristotle explained to us several thousand years

00:00:25.980 ago, too little of something is not good. Too much of something is not good. And much of life

00:00:30.980 is about finding that sweet spot. The same applies to empathy. Too little empathy, you could be a

00:00:36.860 psychopath. Too much empathy, if it's hyperactive, if it is invoked in the wrong situations, and if

00:00:44.300 it faces the inappropriate targets, caring more about Guatemalan illegal immigrants than caring

00:00:51.540 about American vets who might have lost their limbs fighting for the freedoms of the United

00:00:54.960 States, then you have that cocktail of suicidal empathy.

00:00:58.700 And was there a specific moment, a specific story that made you say, I need to write this

00:01:04.040 book?

00:01:04.800 Not a single story.

00:01:06.320 So I've been a professor now for 32 years, and I hate to say this, but pretty much every

00:01:13.160 single devastatingly bad idea that ultimately led to suicidal empathy was spawned regrettably 0.97

00:01:20.220 on university campuses, because it takes intellectuals to come up with some of the dumbest ideas. 0.61

00:01:27.400 Especially because, as Thomas Sowell also explained, when you have disciplines that 0.85

00:01:32.500 are fully decoupled from the auto-corrective mechanisms of reality, you can stand up, pontificate

00:01:38.900 about nonsense, and reality doesn't sort of slap you back out of your stupor.

00:01:44.420 And this is, by the way, why some fields, the business school, the engineering school,

00:01:48.860 are less likely to be parasitized by suicidal empathy

00:01:52.520 because you can't build a bridge using lesbian dance theory. 0.98

00:01:58.480 You can't develop an economic model 0.84

00:02:02.320 using queer indigenous ancestral knowledge. 1.00

00:02:06.580 And because of that, there are some disciplines 0.95

00:02:08.780 that are inherently more likely to have this kind of nonsense.

00:02:11.520 So for me, it's been a long journey ending up in this book,

00:02:15.020 just seeing the departure from reason.

00:02:16.860 Well, so being a professor, seeing this on college campuses, and we're going to

00:02:22.140 talk about suicidal empathy a little bit more as we get into this, but when you're confronted

00:02:27.460 with it, with students protesting or things that you're seeing on campus, how are you

00:02:32.700 dealing with that?

00:02:34.080 Luckily, in my classes, I didn't have too much of that stuff.

00:02:39.600 Maybe in part because I was very disciplined to not bring any political discussions.

00:02:45.100 If I'm teaching a course on evolutionary psychology or psychology of decision making, I don't

00:02:49.200 have to tell the students what my thoughts are on Justin Trudeau.

00:02:53.560 And so I wouldn't get, I wouldn't, and if you want to guess, they're not very, they're

00:02:59.940 not very complimentary.

00:03:03.560 So I didn't experience it in my classrooms, but where I did experience the craziness is

00:03:09.460 I took a two year leave.

00:03:11.340 I'm now leaving, actually, Concordia and joining Ole Miss permanently as a distinguished professor.

00:03:17.680 And one of the reasons I left, maybe the main reason, is because after October 7th, it became incredibly difficult for me.

00:03:25.500 I'm a very outspoken defender of the Jewish people.

00:03:29.320 I'm Jewish myself.

00:03:35.100 Thank you.

00:03:35.820 My university, the one in Montreal, has been colloquially referred to as Gaza University for 25 years.

00:03:44.020 Benjamin Netanyahu was canceled in 2002.

00:03:48.380 And so it simply became infeasible for me to be there.

00:03:52.300 And it turns out that the Mississippians, I call them the honorary Lebanese.

00:03:57.540 Their culture of hospitality is like the Lebanese.

00:04:00.780 So I think we're going to fit in very nicely there.

00:04:05.820 So I actually want to ask a question about that. I'm actually also Jewish, and I found

00:04:12.640 there were some sections in your book that you talked about the growing rise of anti-Semitism.

00:04:19.220 And you even talked about how it's the one area where suicidal empathy almost doesn't seem to be

00:04:25.420 going toward the Jews. It almost seems to be going against it. And as I was reading your book,

00:04:30.720 I saw an article, so I'm going to read it. It was an Axios article, and the article was called

00:04:37.340 Explosion of Antisemitism, and basically it was saying the same thing. The level of antisemitism

00:04:41.800 is growing. There seems to be no empathy toward the Jewish race right now, and I was just curious

00:04:47.000 why you thought that. So I think, I mean, there are several reasons, but one of which is the idea

00:04:51.880 that the Jews are viewed as the oppressors and not the oppressed. So it literally, I mean,

00:04:58.060 literally within one day of October 7th, the Jews had exhausted their possible well of empathy

00:05:05.940 because already at my university, there were preemptive protests against Israel. Israel hadn't

00:05:12.880 yet fired a single weapon and already the Jews were no longer deserving of empathy. But to the 0.92

00:05:18.980 point about Jews and empathy, even the Israelis, by the way, suffer from suicidal empathy because

00:05:25.200 the architect of October 7th, Yahia Sinwar, had been imprisoned for life as a terrorist.

00:05:34.640 Eventually he was released.

00:05:36.820 But while he was in prison, he was diagnosed with a brain tumor.

00:05:40.820 And the Israelis thought that their Hippocratic oath, their desire to save even their worst

00:05:48.020 avowed enemy, superseded their feelings of repulsion towards him.

00:05:54.900 They saved him and that didn't buy them any empathy.

00:05:59.540 He repaid them by being the architect of October 7th.

00:06:05.460 So let's talk more about protest culture.

00:06:08.240 Sure. 0.60

00:06:09.240 There's a chapter in your book where a woman's being interviewed, right?

00:06:13.760 And she's attending a pro-Palestinian rally. 0.89

00:06:17.180 You describe her as a pink haired gay woman. 0.88

00:06:20.780 And when it's explained to her that if she actually went to Palestine, as she is, she'd 0.99

00:06:25.380 be killed. 0.99

00:06:26.380 Right. 0.99

00:06:27.380 And she goes to say she doesn't care.

00:06:28.380 Pro-Palestine.

00:06:29.380 She's here to protest. 0.78

00:06:30.380 Right.

00:06:31.380 Why do you think people aren't even realizing what they're protesting for?

00:06:34.980 It's more almost now they feel like they have a right to protest, whether they even understand

00:06:39.280 what they're protesting for.

00:06:40.280 Right.

00:06:41.280 So this is why I use the framework of neuroparasitology, and let me explain what that is.

00:06:46.620 Parasitology is simply the study of host parasite interactions.

00:06:50.240 So a tapeworm could be a parasite, but it parasitizes your intestinal tract.

00:06:54.860 A neuroparasite is a parasite that needs to end up in the host's brain,

00:06:59.680 altering its circuitry to suit its interests.

00:07:03.560 So you often, those of you who follow me on social media or maybe who've read the book,

00:07:07.680 I talk about wood crickets.

00:07:10.320 When somebody is exhibiting that type of suicidal tendencies, I call them a wood cricket.

00:07:14.500 Now, why do I use that term?

00:07:16.040 A wood cricket, the actual insect, abhors water.

00:07:20.540 It wants nothing to do with water.

00:07:22.060 But when it is parasitized by a hair worm that goes to its brain, the hair worm needs

00:07:27.720 the wood cricket to jump in water, merrily committing suicide in order for it to complete

00:07:34.180 its reproductive cycle in water. 1.00

00:07:36.560 So the pink-haired lesbian woman is behaving exactly akin to the wood cricket. 1.00

00:07:43.820 A new nickname for her. 1.00

00:07:46.040 So, how do you actually determine what is the right level of empathy?

00:07:52.260 Right.

00:07:53.260 So, empathy, like most things, have to be tethered to an evolutionary calculus.

00:07:59.300 So for example, I've done studies with one of my former doctoral students where we looked

00:08:04.200 at how do people allocate their gift-giving budgets.

00:08:08.180 If I give you $1,000, how will you allocate that budget?

00:08:11.340 And it turns out that people, even unbeknownst to them, they may not know the evolutionary

00:08:15.720 reasons, are very, very well calibrated to give their gifts in a way that makes evolutionary

00:08:21.600 sense.

00:08:22.600 So, I give to close kin larger gifts than I would give to a second or third cousin.

00:08:28.320 I give more to my siblings and my children than I would to a second cousin, meaning that

00:08:32.940 there is an evolutionary calculus that is behind my allocation of investments.

00:08:38.060 The same applies to empathy.

00:08:39.260 So let me give you an example.

00:08:41.680 Many of you have heard of the trolley problem.

00:08:43.640 The trolley problem is a problem that you typically see in experimental philosophy.

00:08:47.540 If a trolley is burling down towards three of your biological children and you could

00:08:52.640 pull a lever and it could be diverted and kill five random strangers, what will you 0.77

00:08:57.460 do? 1.00

00:08:58.460 Well, the evolutionary logic is not that since three is smaller than five, kill your children 0.99

00:09:05.100 because most of us would be much more willing to jump in front of a bus 0.95

00:09:07.840 to save our biological children for obvious evolutionary reasons.

00:09:11.160 And so empathy is also bound by an evolutionary calculus.

00:09:16.380 But here is when it's too much empathy.

00:09:19.180 Let me give you one example, but there are a million of these in the book.

00:09:22.340 A woman was gang raped in Germany by a bunch of men

00:09:28.260 who were speaking in Arabic and Farsi.

00:09:31.120 When the cops tried to identify who the perpetrators were

00:09:34.800 and asked her a whole bunch of questions.

00:09:37.620 One of them was, what language were they speaking? 0.96

00:09:40.320 Now, if she says the truth,

00:09:41.800 which is they were speaking Arabic and Farsi,

00:09:43.760 that might marginalize the noble Middle Eastern community.

00:09:47.980 So she lied and said that they were speaking German.

00:09:51.320 Well, I'm here to tell you,

00:09:52.660 as the evolutionary psychologist here,

00:09:54.900 that our emotional system did not evolve

00:09:57.680 to empathize with our rapists.

00:09:59.940 has this phenomenon become more pronounced in recent years or are we just paying more

00:10:08.720 attention to it it has become more pronounced because of the cocktail of parasitic ideas that

00:10:15.300 have turned us into wood crickets and let me give you a specific example in one of my earlier books

00:10:20.920 in the parasitic mind I talk about what I call idea pathogens that literally hijack our capacity

00:10:27.620 to engage in critical thinking. So one such pathogen is called cultural relativism. Cultural

00:10:33.740 relativism is the idea that it's wrong for you. It's culturally imperialistic of you

00:10:38.900 to judge the beliefs and practices of another culture. If they wish to cut off the clitorises 1.00

00:10:44.560 of five-year-old girls, shut up racist. If they wish to have child brides, shut up racist. If 1.00

00:10:50.380 they wish to engage in honor killings, shut up racist. Well, if I internalize cultural relativism, 0.99

00:10:56.500 it then renders me impotent in terms of saying, I don't want people who hold those beliefs to be

00:11:03.660 let into my country. Therefore, I'm much more likely to become suicidally empathetic in my

00:11:09.120 open border policies. So internalizing the parasitic idea leads to suicidal empathy.

00:11:16.560 So I love all these terms you have. And so I'm going to give a couple more in your book.

00:11:21.600 Yes. I think I know where we're going with this.

00:11:25.300 There's a chapter, and you're using terminology, and I had to read the chapter a couple times because I had to keep going back to what you wrote.

00:11:32.660 So he says, using suicidal empathy, they're no longer home invaders. They're surprise house guests.

00:11:41.100 They're no longer rapists. They're undocumented lovemakers.

00:11:45.700 Or altruistic sperm donors. 0.88

00:11:48.180 Yes, yes, that was, that was, um, can you, this is really just a continuation of your

00:11:54.660 last answer, but can you sort of talk about these shifts?

00:11:57.520 Yeah.

00:11:57.840 So one of the reasons why I think, if I may say my satire is very successful is because

00:12:05.040 I take an insane position and I push it to its extreme boundary.

00:12:11.100 And then I kind of cross my hands and wait for reality to catch up to my satire.

00:12:15.400 And that's, by the way, one of the reasons why dictators typically, when they try to

00:12:21.080 eliminate people, the first ones they eliminate are not the ones with the big muscles.

00:12:26.860 They eliminate the ones with the sharp tongues, the ones with the venomous pen.

00:12:31.400 Because it's those guys that can attack my dictatorial positions.

00:12:38.300 The big guys, I can get rid of them quickly.

00:12:40.060 So satire, and by the way, to my great chagrin, many of my academic colleagues who are high

00:12:46.340 falutin, who speak with a progressive lisp, who cross their legs like Justin Trudeau,

00:12:53.060 they think that it is unbecoming of a professor to use some of the communication modalities 0.99

00:12:58.520 that I use, but that's why they're imbeciles, because I'm in the business of trying to change 0.98

00:13:04.180 people's minds. 0.98

00:13:05.700 So within my weaponry, my toolbox, I can use many different tools.

00:13:11.000 Sometimes I can use humor, sometimes I can be as professorial as you can get.

00:13:15.480 So I'm not a one-trick pony, all possible modalities are up for grabs in order to change

00:13:21.680 your mind.

00:13:22.680 So in addition to calling types of people different names that are both eye-opening

00:13:29.060 and funny and scary, you also have a chapter where you list a whole slew of what you call

00:13:35.580 misguided inequalities. So an example that I wrote down was you call, you know, my truth is always

00:13:42.540 greater than your truth. Another misguided inequality you list is socialism is greater

00:13:48.680 than capitalism. Now, I found this quote from President Reagan, so I'm going to read it.

00:13:53.220 We've been creeping closer to socialism, a system that someone once said works only in heaven where

00:13:58.500 it isn't needed and in hell where they've already got it. What's your recommendations for writing

00:14:04.340 this wrong. Specifically socialism? So I'm going to tell you a quote that I often use when discussing

00:14:12.200 socialism. It comes from E.O. Wilson. I don't know if any of you know who that is. He's a Harvard

00:14:17.780 biologist who recently passed away. He was an entomologist. He studied social ants. Now social

00:14:24.300 ants have a unique social structure in that there is a reproductive queen and then there's a whole

00:14:31.480 cast of indistinguishable worker ants and a whole cast of indistinguishable warrior ants,

00:14:37.820 soldier ants. So when he was asked, when E.O. Wilson was asked, Professor Wilson, what are

00:14:43.280 your thoughts on socialism slash communism? He gave one of the arguably greatest pithy answers

00:14:49.580 that I've ever heard. He said, great idea, wrong species. Right? Meaning that social ants are,

00:14:57.500 have evolved a social structure that is communistic but human beings are not communistic because we

00:15:05.000 are a hierarchical species. Some of us are taller, shorter, better looking, worse looking, harder

00:15:10.420 working, less hard working. So to impose a socio-political economic system as per socialism

00:15:15.940 slash communism on a species that is hierarchical, you'll end up with always the same outcome. It's

00:15:22.460 been tried a hundred times. It always fails. But rest assured, Bernie Sanders and occasional

00:15:27.960 Cortex AOC is going to solve it for us. We're saved. Just out of curiosity, because

00:15:35.220 you are a college professor, do you see a lot of college students supporting the idea

00:15:41.140 of socialism? Yes. Yes. Because socialism is an idea that is very cute when I'm in grade

00:15:49.100 one, right? Sharing is caring, right? But then there is this thing called growing up

00:15:55.880 and reality, and you receive that first paycheck. If you're in Canada, by the way, if any of

00:16:00.280 you dare complain about your taxes in California, come live in Quebec for a while. Let me just 0.97

00:16:06.420 tell you what socialist utopia Quebec looks like. The highest marginal tax at the federal

00:16:14.320 level is 33%. At the provincial level, it's 25.75%. So we're getting into the high 50s.

00:16:21.880 Now the 42% that remains in my pocket, if I go out and spend it, I'm taxed both provincial

00:16:31.160 sales tax and federal sales tax at 15%. So now I've already lost 58%. Now the money that's

00:16:39.520 left, I've lost 15%, add carbon tax, Mother Earth tax, hugging the trees tax, and the

00:16:46.840 rest of them, I end up with probably about 30 cents to the dollar.

00:16:51.260 Now, let's put it another way.

00:16:53.280 If I start working on January 1st, I work for free for the government until end of August,

00:17:02.140 and starting in September, they allow me to keep my money.

00:17:06.520 That's very kind of them.

00:17:07.520 Yes, that's why I'm moving to almost.

00:17:09.520 that's why

00:17:12.300 inshallah

00:17:13.320 I shall be a fellow American

00:17:17.540 by the way I was very conflicted

00:17:19.460 because when you did the pledge

00:17:21.080 I thought about that as I did it

00:17:23.200 do I put my hand up but I'm Canadian

00:17:24.980 I said you know what I'm going to do it as an honorary American

00:17:27.580 applause

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00:17:31.140 so we've been talking about suicidal empathy

00:17:34.500 we've been talking about protests

00:17:36.060 here at the Reagan Library, the Reagan Foundation Institute

00:17:38.960 We do a lot of work on civility, really the goal of how do we disagree better, how can

00:17:45.180 you disagree without being disagreeable.

00:17:48.660 How can we encourage open debate without dehumanizing, thank you, those who disagree.

00:17:56.140 Yes.

00:17:57.140 Yesterday, we were in an area of Newport Beach called Crystal Cove.

00:18:01.720 We were sitting down, I think you know maybe where I'm going to go with the story.

00:18:05.680 My wife and I were sitting there, a gentleman sits down, and we're friendly, so we started

00:18:08.940 start talking to him he's iranian muslim okay another friend of his comes along one of the

00:18:15.480 very rare iranian christians and here are the lebanese jews we sat down around the table

00:18:21.580 lebanese jew iranian christian iranian muslim had you know very intense conversation in completely

00:18:28.400 good spirit we walked away shaking hands it's possible i think you know your morphology if you

00:18:34.080 one of the reasons i think people resonate with my even when i'm dealing with very difficult

00:18:38.920 subjects. I'm often smiley. They call me the happy warrior. So there is a way to interact with people

00:18:45.480 even on very difficult subjects so that you walk away still feeling as though they're not your

00:18:50.460 enemy. I recently had a chat with Joe Rogan who is a good friend of mine. This was I think my 12th

00:18:58.500 appearance on this show. Usually we go all over the place. It's a very organic conversation. We

00:19:03.520 could end up talking about Sasquatch.

00:19:06.580 But in this case, the first 10 minutes

00:19:08.520 were spent on the book.

00:19:10.480 And then the rest of the conversation,

00:19:12.880 he kept raising sort of anti-Israel talking points,

00:19:16.760 which was very difficult because you

00:19:18.600 have to do it with civility while being agreeable.

00:19:22.280 He's a friend of mine.

00:19:23.360 And I think we were able to pull it off.

00:19:25.300 So there is a way to be able to disagree in an agreeable way.

00:19:28.640 Do you think any of this harsher disagreement has sort of stemmed from how fast social media is growing

00:19:36.220 and the fact that you can somewhat be anonymous on social media?

00:19:39.320 I mean, certainly that.

00:19:40.400 I mean, if I just look at the hate that I get, I get orgiastically more hate online than I do in person.

00:19:50.460 I've only had once a person threaten me directly in real life,

00:19:56.160 whereas I receive a gazillion death threats online

00:20:00.360 exactly because of anonymity.

00:20:02.540 But I don't want to throw away the potential of social media

00:20:06.100 because, yes, there is a bad side to social media,

00:20:09.040 but the platform that I've been able to build,

00:20:12.940 the number of people that I've been able to reach,

00:20:15.000 I could have never done so if I had been a stay-in-your-lane professor.

00:20:18.460 So there are good and bad to everything, including social media.

00:20:22.200 Is there a solution to suicidal empathy?

00:20:24.500 I mean, there is, and in the last chapter, the whole chapter is about inoculation against

00:20:30.600 suicidal empathy. Maybe I can give you a few specifics, and then I can maybe blow it up to

00:20:35.780 30,000 feet above. Many of the people who succumb to suicidal empathy are stuck in what I call the

00:20:44.380 myopia of first order effects, meaning that they don't recognize that the world is comprised of

00:20:51.520 like a butterfly effect, right? There are sequences. So it's nice when people knock

00:20:56.600 at the borders of a country to let them in, all of them, because that gives me an immediate

00:21:05.120 dopamine hit, right? It's an empathy-based dopamine hit. I could stroke my luxuriant

00:21:10.460 hair in the mirror of moral preening and say I'm such a good person, right? But there are

00:21:16.860 downstream consequences of that, and hence the myopia of first order effect. For example,

00:21:22.540 if you let in millions of people that come from cultures that couldn't be any more antithetical 1.00

00:21:30.200 in their foundational values to our foundational values, it shouldn't surprise you that you're 1.00

00:21:36.260 going to have a rise of Jew hatred, of homophobia, you're going to have Dearborn, you're going

00:21:42.420 to have Patterson, New Jersey. You're going to have Minnesota. And as the demographic

00:21:48.760 realities change, the inherent fabrics of American exceptionalism will disappear, right?

00:21:56.120 The United States is not the United States because you have beautiful Pacific Ocean.

00:22:00.820 It's because there is a set of values that are part of the American ethos that is truly

00:22:06.100 unique in the history of world societies. Don't lose that. And it's a sad state that

00:22:12.280 But it takes a Lebanese Jewish Canadian to have to remind you of that. 0.99

00:22:24.780 So what practical habits can ordinary citizens adopt to remain compassionate while also thinking 1.00

00:22:30.760 clearly?

00:22:32.100 Always remember that like anything in life, as I mentioned earlier, it's not a linear

00:22:38.680 It's not more empathy is always better than less empathy.

00:22:43.660 Empathy follows an inverted U-curve.

00:22:46.220 So once you start getting into the diminishing returns of that curve, you're exhibiting maladaptive

00:22:52.280 empathy.

00:22:53.280 And so it's difficult because it's on a case-by-case basis.

00:22:56.680 But for example, the trans activism stems from a misguided form of empathy, whereby 0.88

00:23:03.940 the transgender person, a.k.a. a woman with a penis, is afforded greater empathy on the 0.65

00:23:13.120 podium than all of the biological women that otherwise have just been cheated out of a 1.00

00:23:19.000 spot on that. 1.00

00:23:19.620 Right.

00:23:19.780 And the reason for that is because your empathy calculus has become hijacked.

00:23:25.240 That unique person called the transgender person is worth more empathy than all of the

00:23:30.980 other biological women.

00:23:31.920 So just be mindful of that. 1.00

00:23:33.580 it's not an orgiastic never-ending empathy it has to be tethered to a biological reality

00:23:42.140 so i have additional questions but i want to ask them at the end so we're going to turn to the

00:23:45.900 audience but just out of curiosity um what are your most popular classes that you currently teach

00:23:53.260 well you so in all of my courses whether it be consumer psychology or psychology of decision

00:23:59.100 making or whatever it is i always apply evolutionary psychology to explain the biological underpinnings

00:24:06.860 of why we do the things that we do and that's really where the students minds are blown away

00:24:11.500 because most students especially i'm housed in i mean at old miss it'll be a different department

00:24:17.500 but historically i've been housed at the business school i apply evolutionary biology and evolutionary

00:24:22.140 psychology to study consumer behavior and most students in the business school or in the social

00:24:27.580 sciences in general have never applied biology to study human behavior which is quite extraordinary

00:24:33.660 right every single other species on earth you would never dare study that species without

00:24:40.380 invoking its biological heritage there's only one species called homo sapiens that you could study

00:24:46.940 anthropology sociology economics psychology without ever exploring the biological imperatives

00:24:53.820 that make us human. And so usually the most successful classes are the ones where the

00:25:00.260 students are really learning about evolution and psychology.

00:25:02.900 We're going to turn to all of you in the audience. We do have staff members with microphones.

00:25:08.900 Please do wait for a microphone to be brought to you so that the people watching at home

00:25:12.320 can hear your question. There's someone coming. Hold on one second.

00:25:16.320 Thank you so much.

00:25:20.320 My question is that

00:25:24.320 this word was

00:25:28.320 that has taken over all these wood crickets.

00:25:32.320 The only way that the wood crickets

00:25:36.320 like is when it ultimately does commit suicide.

00:25:40.320 I think my concern, my question is, do you see a way that Western civil nation comes out of this before the actual suicide?

00:25:51.580 Right, right. No, great question.

00:25:54.920 So this genre of question, I usually answer with both.

00:25:59.640 There is a good news and bad news, okay?

00:26:02.640 The good news is that there is an actionable solution that the West can implement to auto-correct what I call civilizational seppuku. 0.79

00:26:14.980 Seppuku, for those of you who don't know, seppuku is in the Japanese culture, certainly the samurai class, where it's an honor culture. 0.84

00:26:23.320 Nothing is worse than losing face, you know, living a shameful life.

00:26:27.880 The only way that you could then redeem yourself is if you self-disembowel, right?

00:26:34.660 And so I argue that the West is committing civilizational seppuku, right?

00:26:38.580 We were born of dermatological original sin.

00:26:42.680 We are evil.

00:26:43.720 We live on stolen land. 1.00

00:26:45.060 We're transphobic, Islamophobic, bigoted, patriarchal. 0.75

00:26:48.300 So the only way that we can resolve this problem is to commit civilizational seppuku. 0.95

00:26:53.360 So the good news is that there are very easily accessible autocorrective procedures. 0.92

00:26:58.960 Close the borders. 0.95

00:27:00.540 Don't let in people who don't share your foundational values. 0.99

00:27:05.080 Not everybody has the God-given right to be in America, right? 0.92

00:27:08.660 If you sit and chant death to Jews, death to the infidels all day long, then you don't belong here, okay? 0.99

00:27:15.760 But here's the bad news. 0.98

00:27:17.380 I see zero evidence that the West is willing to implement even one millimeter of autocorrection.

00:27:27.020 As a matter of fact, what I'm seeing is a doubling down and tripling down in the suicidal empathy.

00:27:34.340 Now, the United States, since we're here in the U.S. and certainly in this austere environment,

00:27:42.480 is only at stage two suicidal empathy.

00:27:45.900 You'll be happy to know that I've already assigned Canada as stage five suicide.

00:27:53.560 Which is higher than the heretofore known stage four, which is the highest level.

00:27:59.480 So Canada is at stage five.

00:28:01.520 Some of the Scandinavian countries are at stage five.

00:28:04.480 Britain is at stage five.

00:28:06.120 Now you're at stage two only because there are certain inoculations that you have.

00:28:11.800 First Amendment, Second Amendment, and a few other things that makes it a bit more difficult

00:28:16.700 for you to swim in the infinity pool of suicidal empathy.

00:28:21.280 But if you don't listen to guys like me, you will end up in the very laudable stage five

00:28:28.200 suicidal empathy.

00:28:32.580 Tricia, or there's a whole bunch of hands.

00:28:35.180 If it's okay with you, I'd like to consider you and think of you as a quintessential

00:28:44.680 American.

00:28:45.680 Oh, you're very kind.

00:28:46.680 Thank you.

00:28:47.680 I have a question.

00:28:48.680 And by the way, thank you for your body of work.

00:28:53.600 It's really critical.

00:28:54.600 My question has to do with, I think it's understandable to think of this as a divided

00:28:59.600 country, but I'm not sure that's accurate.

00:29:03.420 If you consider a metric, the 80-20 metric on various issues, and I think what has happened,

00:29:13.240 like the camel's nose under the tent, what I consider the industrial derangement complex

00:29:21.820 has come into the tent and has taken over the sensibilities of this country and has

00:29:28.260 created the sense that it is a divided country.

00:29:32.880 Like I said, it's easy to think that, if you saw hearings today, you see the House of Representatives

00:29:39.120 50-50, Senate 50-50, but I do wonder whether it's really 80-20.

00:29:47.100 I think unless you address this industrial derangement complex, how do you actually make

00:29:55.160 a turnaround that's significant?

00:29:57.760 To your point, actually, it's a lot.

00:30:00.240 The good news is it's even more than 80-20 in that the silent majority abhors all this

00:30:07.040 nonsense.

00:30:08.040 The problem is, you know, I've always said that we need to update the seven deadly sins

00:30:12.800 to add an eighth one, which is pathological cowardice, right?

00:30:16.780 So most people are so cowardly, are so cowed into the herd mentality that you have professors

00:30:23.360 who will say things like yes yes of course men too can menstruate yes yes evolutionary biologists

00:30:29.680 say that right so imagine that i receive emails from just regular adults dear professor saad i'm

00:30:37.680 just wondering is it true that men now can menstruate so the fact that in the 21st century

00:30:44.800 a functioning human being needs to write to me to receive the professorial imprimatur that no

00:30:51.760 men cannot menstruate, suggests that something has gone wrong parasitically, right?

00:30:57.300 But again, to come back to your point, it's not 80-20.

00:31:00.300 Most people hate this.

00:31:02.940 The only reason why all the parasitic monster ideas are flourishing is precisely because 0.93

00:31:08.700 they go unchallenged.

00:31:10.880 So let me give you, and I've mentioned this on many occasions, but it's worth repeating,

00:31:15.240 probably the template of the most common email that I receive is the following one.

00:31:19.980 You ready?

00:31:20.300 Dear Professor Saad, many, many compliments, and it ends with the following last sentence.

00:31:27.820 If you choose to read this email, finish the sentence for me.

00:31:32.560 Please do not include my name.

00:31:36.140 I usually write back and say, dear so-and-so, thank you very much for your lovely words.

00:31:42.080 Don't you think your last sentence is exactly the reason why we are in the current predicament

00:31:48.080 that we're in?

00:31:48.580 So the reality is most people privately come to me and say, go on, thank you.

00:31:54.740 But then I say, but why don't you stand up with me?

00:31:56.640 No, no, I don't want.

00:31:57.780 And there's always a justification for why you shouldn't put your neck out, right?

00:32:03.000 But then that puts a big burden on me, right?

00:32:05.300 I have to leave Montreal because of the death threats.

00:32:08.000 I have to always have armed security because of the death threats.

00:32:11.380 My children and wife can never be shown in public because I don't want the threats to go to them.

00:32:16.940 Now, is that fair?

00:32:18.160 Because what most people do is they say, Ghat Saad can handle it.

00:32:22.220 He's got broad shoulders.

00:32:23.680 But if we all stand up and in unison say, enough of this stuff, the problem will be solved by next Tuesday.

00:32:30.920 Thank you.

00:32:31.740 Thank you.

00:32:38.940 Hi.

00:32:39.560 Good evening.

00:32:39.980 So along those lines, I was wondering if you could just speak to maybe the dangers or maybe the thoughts of somebody who works in an empathetic field, but the calculus is totally skewed and it's causing a reverberation of like isolation and not wanting to be a part of society and wanting to move away.

00:33:03.940 not from the cause of like not being bold or courageous, but from the fact that you

00:33:08.620 just don't want to be a part of it anymore.

00:33:11.440 Right.

00:33:11.620 So I can maybe answer that using my own personal experience.

00:33:15.460 So in the university ecosystem, the epistemology that should drive our behavior,

00:33:21.160 epistemology means philosophy of knowledge, right?

00:33:23.820 What should be driving our behavior is what's called the epistemology of truth,

00:33:27.360 right?

00:33:27.860 We use the scientific method to try to approximate the truth out there to better

00:33:33.940 better understand the world. Well, the epistemology of truth has now been taken over within the

00:33:40.980 university ecosystem by what's called an epistemology of care. And that I'm sorry to say

00:33:47.140 for all of the lovely ladies that are in this room stems from the feminization of the university, 0.98

00:33:53.380 right? So when I now sit in departmental meetings at my Canadian university, not Ole Miss, 1.00

00:33:59.780 Ole Miss is full of brawny, masculine, sexy men. But at my home university in Canada,

00:34:12.460 whenever a departmental meeting was run by a woman, I felt as though I had regressed 0.95

00:34:17.780 back to kindergarten class. How's everybody doing? How's everything going? Why are you 0.50

00:34:22.780 speaking to me in this tone? As if I'm a three-year-old child. But it's because they are a lot more

00:34:28.020 caring than us toxic masculine men. We only care about pursuing the truth, but truth takes

00:34:35.460 a back seat to empathy. Now, how does that manifest itself in the practice of science?

00:34:40.400 Well, I talk in the book about forbidden knowledge. Forbidden knowledge is the idea that if you're

00:34:47.500 going to do a research program, that ultimately the results might end up hurting the feelings

00:34:55.000 of a marginalized group, then truth takes the back seat against not doing the research.

00:35:01.620 So, for example, if you want to make sure to never flourish in academia, do research

00:35:09.900 on racial differences, okay? 0.84

00:35:13.840 I mean, sex differences are also toxic. 1.00

00:35:16.540 So, if you do studies on sex differences and the results show that women are better on 0.97

00:35:22.860 a task than men, then publish those findings with pride because you're breaking the antiquated

00:35:30.100 sexist stereotypes. But if, God forbid, you find that men actually do something, anything

00:35:37.980 better than women, as you should expect in a sexually reproducing, sexually dimorphic 0.99

00:35:44.580 species, then you better bury those in the drawer because if you publish those results, 1.00

00:35:50.000 than you are promulgating the patriarchy.

00:35:52.880 So that's the problem, which is the university ecosystem,

00:35:56.860 which should only be about meritocracy, individual excellence, truth,

00:36:02.220 has been completely hijacked by an epistemology of care.

00:36:06.700 So I don't know in your case what you'd have to do.

00:36:08.980 In my case, I say I don't give a damn.

00:36:12.160 I'm a honey badger. 0.67

00:36:13.140 I walk to my own drummer.

00:36:15.860 And sorry to say, F you if you don't like it.

00:36:20.000 End quote.

00:36:21.000 Hi.

00:36:22.000 Hi there.

00:36:23.000 How are you?

00:36:24.000 What is your situation?

00:36:25.000 How are you?

00:36:26.000 How are you?

00:36:27.000 How are you?

00:36:28.000 How are you?

00:36:29.000 How are you?

00:36:30.000 How are you?

00:36:31.000 How are you?

00:36:32.000 How are you?

00:36:33.000 How are you?

00:36:34.000 How are you?

00:36:35.000 How are you?

00:36:36.000 How are you?

00:36:37.000 How are you?

00:36:38.000 It depends on whether you're saying it to a man or a woman. 0.99

00:36:40.000 Correct.

00:36:41.000 My name is Michelle, one of your biggest fans.

00:36:43.000 I have all of your books.

00:36:44.000 Wow.

00:36:45.000 Listen to all of your podcasts.

00:36:46.000 Wow.

00:36:47.000 question I've always wanted to ask you is, is suicidal empathy something modern? Because

00:36:51.960 you said that it's caused by idea pathogens, by internalizing them. And the granddaddy

00:36:56.780 of these idea pathogens, as you said, is postmodernism. So my question is before postmodernism, before

00:37:04.480 the objectivity of truth or lack thereof, did we have suicidal empathy?

00:37:10.160 Not suicidal empathy in the precise way that I'm defining it, but I'll answer your question

00:37:14.600 in a more general way. The capacity for the human mind to be parasitized is not a current

00:37:21.800 feature. The difference is in the specific parasitic ideas that are prevalent today,

00:37:28.300 right? Viruses have always existed, but Ebola is different than shingles, even though they're

00:37:33.660 both viruses, right? So there used to be a time in the Northeast where neighborhoods were organized

00:37:40.500 as follows. I think that my neighbor Linda might be a witch. Let's throw her into water. And if she 0.84

00:37:46.700 swims, then we know she's a witch. And if she drowns, oops, I guess she wasn't a witch, right? 0.89

00:37:52.820 And that was a very reasonable way to organize the neighborhood. But then we grew out of that

00:37:58.120 parasitic idea. So what is unique about the current time period are the specific parasitic

00:38:03.740 ideas that lead to suicidal empathy. So postmodernism, for example, by the way,

00:38:09.520 The reason why you correctly said it's the granddaddy of all parasitic ideas, because it literally negates the truth itself, right?

00:38:19.340 There are no objective truths according to postmodernism.

00:38:24.320 And that's what allows then up is down, freedom is slavery, men are women, my truth is more important than the truth.

00:38:32.460 So that's why I call it the most nihilistic form of intellectual terrorism.

00:38:38.140 So suicidal empathy is a current manifestation,

00:38:42.920 but the capacity for the human mind to be parasitized

00:38:46.420 is part of the architecture of the human mind.

00:38:49.040 I also had one more question, now that I have the microphone.

00:38:53.240 So you talk about suicidal empathy as like a macro phenomenon,

00:38:57.560 like an intercivilizational, like an intersocial phenomenon.

00:39:00.960 Is it possible to have suicidal empathy towards your loved ones,

00:39:04.740 towards your biological kin?

00:39:07.520 I mean, you can, but I won't answer it for kin.

00:39:12.320 I'll answer it just at the individual level rather than the civilizational level.

00:39:16.660 I mean, there is truly a hallucinatory number of examples in the book that you really are hard to believe.

00:39:23.240 But I'll use one that's fantastic. 0.78

00:39:26.720 A woman, a white woman, much more enlightened than all of us in this room because she's extremely progressive.

00:39:32.620 She knows that the stereotype that black men ever commit violence is simply untrue.

00:39:40.920 In the natural state, there is absolutely no evidence that any black man has ever committed any violence.

00:39:47.600 So she goes to Haiti to demonstrate that reality.

00:39:53.520 And then in Haiti, she is faced with something called, or what is it called?

00:39:57.880 Reality. 0.69

00:39:58.520 Where a Haitian man who doesn't subscribe to her very progressive things that she learned 0.99

00:40:06.740 at Oberlin College is raping her violently on top of a rooftop. 0.96

00:40:12.520 As he's raping her, she's saying, but don't you realize that I'm a huge BLM ally myself? 0.92

00:40:19.520 I am a Malcolm X scholar myself. 0.98

00:40:22.440 And she was very surprised that that didn't stop him in his tracks from raping her. 0.78

00:40:28.160 At the end of the rape, she then wrote a few days or weeks later, she wrote an essay, which

00:40:33.980 is referenced in my book, where she says that now in its totality, since the rape is in

00:40:40.180 the rear view mirror, she's actually very thankful for the experience. 0.99

00:40:47.780 Because the black man raped her. 1.00

00:40:50.780 He was using her as the vehicle to express his rage at white supremacy. 1.00

00:41:00.000 So a Haitian man in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, raped a white woman because he was responding 0.99

00:41:08.400 to the white supremacy found in the United States. 0.96

00:41:12.560 That's suicidal empathy at the individual level.

00:41:15.000 We're going to go right here.

00:41:19.280 Saad. I'm listening to you and finally start to understand a little more about

00:41:27.200 this phenomenon. Being Jewish myself, I also hear you talk about evolution and

00:41:33.320 how evolution plays a role in the development of this suicidal empathy.

00:41:38.360 Being Jewish myself, I mean we Jews, we have lived through 3,000 years of

00:41:44.600 people wanting to eliminate, et cetera, et cetera.

00:41:47.680 Shouldn't we recognize something and change? 0.92

00:41:51.500 Why did 1 3rd of the New York Jews vote for Mamdami? 0.96

00:42:02.600 So the wood cricket appellation, 1.00

00:42:04.840 I typically reserve it for Jews when I call them wood cricket 0.99

00:42:08.700 Jews, to your point. 1.00

00:42:10.020 The granddaddy of wood cricket Jews is Gabor Mate. 1.00

00:42:16.640 For those of you who don't know who that is, 1.00

00:42:18.540 Gabor Mate, and the reason I'm answering with his exemplar

00:42:22.940 is because he captures exactly what you're asking.

00:42:25.600 So Gabor Mate is a addiction specialist,

00:42:29.200 and I put it in quotes because every single ailment

00:42:32.120 that you have is ultimately rooted in some pain

00:42:35.520 that you had in your childhood.

00:42:37.080 Well, by that measure, I went through the Lebanese Civil War. 0.99

00:42:40.100 I should be a psychopath killing everybody, right? 0.88

00:42:42.860 And yet I haven't killed anyone. 0.94

00:42:45.360 So Gabor Mate says that he himself, as a Holocaust survivor,

00:42:52.400 now here's the problem.

00:42:53.700 Gabor Mate was a Holocaust survivor in that when he was six months old,

00:42:58.700 he was taken from his Jewish family and placed in another family.

00:43:02.420 Six months old infants are not conscious of their experiences. 0.61

00:43:07.080 So in no conceivable, meaningful way are you a Holocaust survivor. 0.90

00:43:11.900 If he's a Holocaust survivor, then I am a Holocaust survivor by virtue of having been a spermatozoa in my dad's testicles in the 1940s.

00:43:22.680 So really, my victimology score is very, very high because not only am I a Lebanese Civil War refugee, child war refugee, I'm also a Holocaust survivor, even though I wasn't born during the Holocaust. 0.92

00:43:35.760 Now, the reason why he uses that rhetorical trick is because then that gives him the imprimatur to say, here I am, Jewish myself, a Holocaust survivor, and I can tell you that the Nazis are not nearly as diabolical as the Israelis.

00:43:54.940 That is the, because if Gabor Mate was at that Nova dance festival, and if they were coming to do unbelievable things to him, he would have been praying for those really evil Nazis called the IDF to come and save him. 0.93

00:44:13.260 So for me, he is the worst of creatures. 0.76

00:44:17.140 I respect the radical Islamist guys a lot more than I do the Gabor Mate. 1.00

00:44:22.520 So there's a special place in hell for those Jews. 0.98

00:44:30.760 So I know there are a ton of hands up. 1.00

00:44:33.520 We have time for one, maybe two,

00:44:35.880 because I have two additional questions I want to get to before we wrap up.

00:44:38.680 So I'll let the two of you figure out who we're going to next.

00:44:48.700 Is it on?

00:44:49.640 It's on. I hear you.

00:44:50.880 Shalom, Professor Saad. Thank you so much for your visit.

00:44:57.480 We, myself and my wife, have a bit of a story also.

00:45:00.660 Came from Israel, moved to Canada, stayed there for about 14 years,

00:45:05.400 and then came the whole corona debacle.

00:45:11.160 We actually visited Montreal, and we've communicated,

00:45:17.040 But the whole story of Canada at that time, we had to move to the U.S.

00:45:27.500 We practically escaped Canada to come here and to thrive here.

00:45:32.860 So viva la freedom of the United States of America.

00:45:36.600 I think what you're doing...

00:45:38.040 I think what you're about to do, moving to the new university

00:45:46.340 for your new position obviously we've read all your books podcasts and all thank you so thank

00:45:52.900 you shukran i think what you're doing is keeping the memory of those recent days

00:46:00.800 uh atrocities and i i myself consider the corona uh with justin trudeau in canada what

00:46:09.020 You remember what I'm talking about as something of a memory to be tattooed in the days of

00:46:19.440 history, and we thank you ever so much for doing what you're doing and speaking the way

00:46:24.760 you speak.

00:46:25.660 We look out to you, sir.

00:46:26.940 Thank you very much.

00:46:28.000 Thank you so much.

00:46:29.040 Thank you.

00:46:31.080 And this right now will be the final question.

00:46:33.740 One last question.

00:46:35.180 Is this on?

00:46:35.920 It's on.

00:46:36.240 Okay, just first of all, whoever booked you, give them a big pat on the back.

00:46:39.840 This is excellent.

00:46:41.280 You're welcome.

00:46:42.340 Good job.

00:46:44.000 Okay, we talk about the country, but I think the film industry, and I'm a film fan, and

00:46:50.300 they sort of lost me, is at DEFCON 5.

00:46:53.340 There seems to be, films are not for art anymore.

00:46:57.000 They're for empathy. 1.00

00:46:58.200 They have to have a lesbian in it. 1.00

00:46:59.940 They have to have certain races in it. 0.99

00:47:02.320 They don't make it for art anymore, but there doesn't seem to be any financial penalty.

00:47:07.080 They keep spiraling downward.

00:47:09.220 Films are making less, and they just double down, and there's no stopping it.

00:47:13.320 You'd think there would be a financial penalty that would correct this behavior.

00:47:17.980 Right.

00:47:18.300 So in Suicide Empathy, I talk about the evolving nature of companies with their customers.

00:47:26.680 And so let me give you a quick synopsis.

00:47:28.940 So the first 100 years ago, the relationship between companies and customers was what's called production-centric.

00:47:36.940 So if you were a car manufacturer, the only thing you were tasked with doing is producing cars.

00:47:43.140 Hence the famous saying by Henry Ford, the customer can have the car in any color that he wishes as long as it's black.

00:47:52.880 Meaning that I don't care about customer preferences.

00:47:56.640 I only have to meet consumer demands.

00:47:59.800 So that's production-centric.

00:48:01.400 The next stage was marketing-centric.

00:48:04.200 I have to produce products that meet the demand,

00:48:08.440 but while also adhering to the heterogeneity of consumer preferences.

00:48:12.480 Some like red cars, some like blue cars, some like black cars.

00:48:15.660 The third social contract, say starting in the 60s,

00:48:20.320 was I need to meet consumer demands while maintaining consumer heterogeneity.

00:48:26.040 while not harming any third party.

00:48:28.640 So that's where the green marketing movement comes in, right?

00:48:31.580 You shouldn't harm the environment while producing cars.

00:48:34.980 The fourth step to your question is now as a company,

00:48:40.440 not only I have to do those three things,

00:48:42.540 I also have to be an active ally in fighting against social justice.

00:48:48.240 And that could take precedence over the fiduciary responsibility

00:48:52.580 of maximizing profits for shareholders, to your point.

00:48:57.380 So there's a great example that I discussed in the book

00:49:00.000 where I don't know if you remember the debacle

00:49:03.000 of the advertising campaign with Jaguar.

00:49:05.500 I hate how the British say Jaguar.

00:49:09.200 No, Jaguar.

00:49:11.460 So Jaguar, do you remember where you just see 1.00

00:49:14.520 a bunch of trans stuff sashaying everywhere? 1.00

00:49:19.020 You don't see a single car,

00:49:20.440 to which Elon Musk writes,

00:49:23.740 hey, Jaguar, do you still produce cars?

00:49:29.480 Right?

00:49:30.160 And for those of you who don't know,

00:49:31.520 I'm not trying to name drop,

00:49:32.840 but Elon and I are good friends.

00:49:35.240 And so I'm like, I love you, Elon.

00:49:40.140 He quotes the front of your book.

00:49:41.900 What's that?

00:49:42.220 This is him on the front of your book.

00:49:42.860 And he's exactly, he's the front blurb of the book.

00:49:45.860 So to your point,

00:49:46.920 I think what's happened to a lot of these companies,

00:49:48.780 art takes a backseat to social justice. Profit takes a backseat to social justice.

00:49:54.300 And there's a field in applied mathematics called operations research. That's when you're trying to

00:50:00.060 find a mathematical equation to maximize something, to optimize something. Well,

00:50:06.000 those film companies are not optimizing the value of art, they're optimizing social justice.

00:50:13.500 so just a final few questions before we wrap up and head to the book signing

00:50:20.020 I know there's a lot of different takeaways in this book but if you wanted readers to take

00:50:25.660 one thing away what would that be please please please do not be suicidally empathetic you may

00:50:33.860 not see the end of our civilization within your lifetime or that of your children but there is a

00:50:40.580 great quote by and I actually mentioned it very early in the book by a esteemed British historian

00:50:47.480 named Arnold Toynbee. He published a 12 volume set study of how all civilizations eventually die

00:50:58.860 and his concluding maxim is civilizations do not die by murder they die by suicide and in my case

00:51:09.380 I'm saying that the specific way that we are committing suicide is through dysregulated

00:51:14.940 empathy. So be kind. I'm a very kind and empathetic person, but within the bounds of evolutionary

00:51:21.420 theory. So be careful. Don't be kind to those who are not worthy of your kindness.

00:51:27.280 Yes.

00:51:33.260 So my final question, obviously, we're here at the Reagan Library. I toured you and your

00:51:39.020 lovely wife around earlier. We stopped at President and Mrs. Reagan's grave site, the memorial site.

00:51:43.760 Just a few days ago was the 22nd anniversary of President Reagan's passing. And in preparation

00:51:49.420 for today's event, I was on your X page, and you actually posted a small tribute to the president

00:51:54.980 on the day he passed. What does Ronald Reagan mean to you? He embodies all of the great things that

00:52:02.400 when I was a young boy, I think my wife alluded to it earlier. When I was a young boy in Beirut,

00:52:07.060 Lebanon, I didn't speak English yet, I would see those spaghetti westerns. I don't know if any of

00:52:12.020 you know him. Sergio Leone. And he's still alive, by the way. Clint Eastwood would play many of the

00:52:20.780 roles, right? The larger-than-life character who comes and renders justice in the town against all

00:52:26.820 the bad people. And I would look at him in the mind of the little boy that I was who didn't speak

00:52:31.420 English, and I would say, I want to be that guy. Well, I think Ronald Reagan was that guy in real

00:52:38.120 life. And so in that sense, he exudes what I saw in Clint Eastwood, but in the president.

00:52:43.580 Love that. Thank you.

00:52:51.220 So I know that with your purchase of your ticket, you got a copy. So we will now head to the

00:52:56.720 bookstore. Come on up and he'll sign the books for you. If you haven't read it, I highly,

00:53:01.420 recommend that you do. It's a fantastic book. Thank you so much for joining us here at the

00:53:06.140 Reagan Library.

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - June 11, 2026

An Evening at the Reagan Library Discussing Suicidal Empathy (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_1003)

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