The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Ayaan Hirsi Ali Returns - Islam, Immigration, and the State of the West (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_728)

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00:01:16.380 Hi, everybody. This is Ghat Saad. I have a repeat guest today and a very special guest,

00:01:21.580 Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Welcome back. How are you doing?

00:01:25.260 Ghat, it's very nice to see you. Thank you for having me on.

00:01:28.240 Let me just mention your bio. Then I want to get into this guy for a second because I saw something

00:01:33.500 on your web. So hold on, hold on. I got some good stuff for you. So you are the research fellow at the

00:01:40.420 Hoover Institution at Stanford, founder of the AHA, Ayaan Hirsi Ali Foundation. You host a podcast by your

00:01:48.240 name. Many books, The Caged Virgin, Infidel, Nomad, Heretic, The Challenge of Da'wah, and your most

00:01:56.160 recent one was Prey, Immigration, Islam, and the Erosion of Women's Rights. Anything we need to add 0.99

00:02:02.380 before we proceed?

00:02:04.560 That book is coming. The last one, Prey, is in the process of the paperback coming out,

00:02:10.920 and with a new introduction, a new forward. It's an attempt to update what happened between

00:02:19.020 2020 and now because 2020, everything was closed down. That was when I published that book.

00:02:24.440 But unfortunately, the subject of the book, which is the violence, sexual violence against women 0.62

00:02:29.960 perpetrated by men who come from Muslim majority countries and men that are not necessarily Muslim, 0.68

00:02:37.520 but who come from societies where women's rights are not protected. They are wreaking havoc on the 1.00

00:02:45.140 streets of the West. And that's what Prey is about, and the silence of the so-called feminists. 1.00

00:02:52.700 Oftentimes, it's not the silence. It's rather arguing vociferously against those who are trying to

00:02:59.840 protect the rights of women, right? So it's not just silence. Oftentimes, there is an obfuscation to 0.99

00:03:06.040 explain away the things that are happening, which makes it even worse. Before we jump into all this,

00:03:11.100 I said that I would mention Orwell. Now, the reason I know about your love of Orwell, because I went to

00:03:16.180 your foundation's, I can't remember if it was the foundation's website or your own personal website,

00:03:21.900 where you had listed a bunch of books that you love. The top two were 1984 and Animal Farm,

00:03:30.060 or at least the top two. Now, so this is the authorized biography of Orwell, but this is now

00:03:38.520 going to make you jealous, Ayaan. Are you ready? Yes. It was my 60th birthday on Sunday.

00:03:45.320 Oh, congratulations. Thank you. This is where you say you don't look a day over 41. Yes?

00:03:51.520 You don't look a day over 41. First edition Animal Farm. First edition 1984. That's one of many gifts

00:04:05.000 that my ridiculously lovely family gave me. So are you jealous? I am jealous. And I won those

00:04:13.200 sooner than my 60th, which is not too far away. All right. So where do you want to start? So we start

00:04:19.520 with, I think the last time you were here was in May 2022. So it's been about two and a half years.

00:04:27.020 So if we do a State of the Union address for the West, have we regressed? Have we improved? Give it to

00:04:34.920 us, Ayaan. The answer is both. We have regressed and the regression is now manifest on the streets,

00:04:42.960 on our campuses, everywhere. Let's say, to go on from the conversation we had in 2022. But there's

00:04:52.640 also progress. And that makes me very, very optimistic, especially in the United States.

00:04:58.320 There is a blowback underway. And it's a good one. I'm just really heartened by the fact that

00:05:05.460 men, and in particular, white men, and even African American men are standing up to all this BS

00:05:14.360 that's against them, the conspiracy to steal their civilization and the legacy of their ancestors.

00:05:22.400 I am so happy that they're standing up and they're saying, enough of this. We don't want any of this,

00:05:28.060 and that they're conspiring to put a stop to it.

00:05:30.440 Okay. So I would love to share your optimism. And I wake up every day. I'm a jovial guy. They call me

00:05:38.200 the happy warrior. But I'm not seeing the same level. I'm not picking up the same level of optimism

00:05:44.760 that you're picking up. What is it that you are seeing specifically that suggests that there is

00:05:49.980 an auto-correction taking place? Is it because you're in Canada?

00:05:53.320 Well, certainly being in Canada, number one, being in Montreal, number two, being at Concordia

00:06:00.380 University, number three, maybe makes me a bit more pessimistic. But I think many of those realities

00:06:07.180 are spreading across Canada, to your point.

00:06:11.380 Well, I think geographically, it really matters. It matters the social surroundings you are in.

00:06:18.300 So one of the things that I really find heartening is Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley

00:06:24.600 in 2022 was either part of the problem, or they were indifferent, or it seemed as if they were

00:06:32.840 indifferent. Twitter was owned by someone other than Elon Musk. And it's wonderful how we forget

00:06:41.160 their names. I have no clue who that is. Jack Dorsey and somebody else.

00:06:43.940 Jack Dorsey, who unfollowed me, by the way, on Twitter. He had come on my show.

00:06:47.600 We were very friendly, but somehow he's now pressed the unfollow button. Oh, well.

00:06:52.760 Yeah. So that was back in 2022 when we had the events of 2020. So this thing is going down the

00:07:04.880 drain. Universities are going down the drain. Corporations are going down the drain.

00:07:09.640 K-12 schools are going down the drain. And people seem to be standing only on the sideline

00:07:14.740 and complaining. And I remember going from one event to another event, from one podcast to another

00:07:20.940 podcast. And all we were doing was complain, complain, complain. But there was never a concerted

00:07:26.220 effort. There was no demographic that stood up and said, okay, we're going to put an end to this.

00:07:31.660 And then the tech bros came along, led by people like Elon and Mark Andreessen, Peter Thiel, who was in the

00:07:41.040 fight for a long time anyway. And I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name right, but Balaji,

00:07:47.860 Srinivasan, Michael Solana. These are all, by the way, really young men.

00:07:53.760 They're all, when I say young or younger than me.

00:07:59.720 And they've stopped being indifferent and they've realized that they're part of the problem and

00:08:04.460 they're angry because I would say the smartest demographic we have. And they've decided that

00:08:11.640 they're going to stand up to, first of all, identify who it is that we're standing up to

00:08:18.020 and then stand up to them. And then surprisingly, I'll say also Wall Street is coming out. You've

00:08:24.560 seen the actions of people like Bill Ackman. And if you then, you know, there was this narrative,

00:08:33.480 it's the rich against the poor that plays into the hands of the Marxists and the Leninists and

00:08:38.700 the woke. And I just, it's awful. I hate that. So we had to say, we had to find a way of defending

00:08:45.680 our free market society and our constitution and our Bill of Rights and our legacy. And at the same

00:08:54.520 time, touch on the problems that, you know, this enormous gap in wealth that's only increasing

00:09:04.680 in America presents. We have to talk honestly about that. So I think now it makes it easier by saying,

00:09:12.080 look, rich people are not a monolith. Yes, there are people who game the system. There are people

00:09:18.620 who don't care as long as they're rich and they have fences around them. They'll go along and pretend

00:09:24.020 to be woke. But here we have some of the wealthiest, smartest people in the world who are standing up

00:09:30.420 for the poor, for the dispossessed, for the silenced. And it just makes me, it makes me very,

00:09:37.720 very optimistic. It makes me appreciate the genius of the American founding fathers,

00:09:44.200 that they came up with a system. Every time an attempt is made to take away freedom of speech

00:09:50.260 and enslave people, you'll find Americans who stand up and fight this thing. And if you look at

00:09:57.260 the characteristics, I mean, I'm talking about the, just the, the superficial skin color is what the 0.99

00:10:04.640 work like to focus on. You see, it's, it's across the board. It's black people, it's white people,

00:10:13.520 it's men, it's women. I mean, you followed the trajectory of Vivek Ramaswamy. Sure.

00:10:19.740 I don't know if he's 38 years old or 35 years old. He looks like he's 25.

00:10:24.580 Um, but that's the son of an immigrant and it's people like him. And then, uh, I know you probably

00:10:35.280 will not agree with everything that the former governor of, uh, is it North Carolina or South

00:10:40.640 Carolina and Nikki Haley, right? You don't agree with everything she says, but that's the daughter

00:10:46.900 of an immigrant. Um, I just saw a video of African Americans for Trump or African Americans didn't

00:10:54.480 want to be scolded by Barack Obama. Um, and, and the way they talk. And there was one line there

00:11:01.680 that says, we don't, we're not going to vote for you or this woman Harris because you're not putting 0.99

00:11:07.240 America fast. Right. And these are the descendants of slaves who are saying this. They want America

00:11:13.720 fast because they know instinctively. And in reality, America is the best place to be black, 0.55

00:11:20.260 to be woman, to be gay, to be white. It doesn't matter what. And that's why you have literally the 0.70

00:11:26.320 whole world wanting to come and live here. So I, I have so much to be optimistic about. Um,

00:11:34.040 I also find, uh, with your fellow Canadian Jordan Peterson, that there is an attempt to resuscitate

00:11:43.680 um, the Judeo-Christian principles on which Western civilization is founded. And Western

00:11:50.040 civilization is unimaginable without these principles. And so there's an ever-growing group

00:11:56.380 of people, intelligent people who are standing up and who are saying, yeah, we can identify exactly

00:12:02.120 what the civilization is about. And we appreciate what it has done. And again, it's a mixed group of

00:12:07.620 people. It's not just, uh, what they say, white male and stale and all that, which is, it's everyone.

00:12:13.660 And I, I couldn't be more optimistic. And so that means we have a fighting chance.

00:12:19.620 Right. Well, from your lips to God's ear, as they say, uh, were you surprised by the post-October

00:12:27.420 7th orgiastic global Jew hatred that we've seen before, before I see the flurry, let me kind of give 0.78

00:12:34.860 you a bit of a, uh, uh, setting for it. So we both come from an environment where we certainly would

00:12:41.540 understand what Jew hatred is and we're immigrants. So we appreciate the values that the West and

00:12:47.700 shrines and so on. But even for someone like me who escaped the middle East, I was taken aback

00:12:54.600 that the response of October 7th, right? I always, I always give the following analogy

00:13:01.340 when I'm trying to explain a phenomenon. Take for example, your weight on any given day,

00:13:06.460 based on the decisions that you make that day, only one of three things can happen to your weight.

00:13:10.360 It can either go up, it can stay the same, or it can go down. There is no other possible state of

00:13:15.260 the world. So after October 7th, only three things could happen when it comes to Jew hatred. You can 0.98

00:13:21.480 either empathize more with the Jews because while this horrible thing happened, Jew hatred can stay the

00:13:26.600 same or it can go down. Well, I must admit that to my surprise, I was astonished at the level of

00:13:34.580 unleashing of Jew hatred. I'm sure that that's been your experience too. What can we do about it? 0.91

00:13:41.580 What are your thoughts about it? Because I'm scratching my head saying, boy, I think it was

00:13:45.340 better when I lived in Lebanon than when I live in Montreal.

00:13:48.060 And unfortunately, there are a number of Jewish friends who have already said to me that they feel

00:13:55.120 safer in the United Arab Emirates than, for instance, London, Paris, or New York. I mean,

00:14:03.120 that should shock us and that should humble us, right? So a number of things. One, the explosion in

00:14:11.980 Jew hatred is, it's shocking. It's shocking to see people out on the streets in the most advanced

00:14:21.320 societies that had promised not so long ago, never again, to watch hundreds of thousands of people

00:14:28.600 come out and chant from the river to the sea, or intifada, or that there is only one solution. I mean,

00:14:38.480 really, these are genocidal slogans for the people who know what they mean. So shocking. Is it surprising?

00:14:49.580 I think it's not so surprising. Again, go back to 2020. And that for me was the main shock is to wake

00:14:57.000 up to how our society had degenerated and the level of degeneration, especially amongst what we call the 1.00

00:15:07.660 elite. That's the people who are educated, right? University students graduating from places like

00:15:13.920 Columbia and Harvard and Penn. And just almost every university, Stanford, every university in the

00:15:22.960 United States, I don't think it's any different in Canada, perhaps even worse. And then across the

00:15:28.200 Atlantic, again, seeing the same things to say, wow, this went, it was as if the carpet was torn from under

00:15:39.220 our feet. And reality came really fast. Now, in hindsight, there were always things, there were signposts.

00:15:49.200 And for me, the signposts of the radical antisemitism that we are seeing now is the way the anti-white

00:16:01.640 narrative was developed, the anti-white male narrative. And it was tied in Europe to the concept of

00:16:12.200 decolonization. And in America, Northern America, to the concept of slavery and racism. And the way those

00:16:20.380 things worked together, and watching, constantly bringing Israel, injecting Israel into everything. So you'd see a 0.99

00:16:32.360 black lives matter protest, and they would be protesting white cops or cops killing, or arresting, or mistreating 0.99

00:16:46.280 black men. And you would say that's a straightforward issue. But then you would see and hear anti-Israel 0.99

00:16:56.480 slogans, anti-Zionist slogans. Suddenly, there would be something about BDS. And there would be,

00:17:02.340 the use of these terms, settler colonial, and just you keep hearing that word, settler colonial.

00:17:08.820 And you would pivot away from what's happening on the domestic scene in America, in the confrontation

00:17:14.920 between black men and police. And now you're talking about, we can only have justice, if the Zionist 1.00

00:17:22.880 state is eliminated. So if you were in the university, well, that's what you've been hearing for years and

00:17:28.180 years. And then it came out into the open in the spring of this year. And so how can I then pretend

00:17:36.620 to be surprised? And what's surprised? I'm shocked.

00:17:41.380 Well, I mean, sorry, forgive me for interrupting. So I argue that there are three sources of

00:17:48.080 Jew hatred. There is the one that you're just enunciating. So if I went to Near East studies and

00:17:55.340 political science programs at Harvard and Columbia, then there is a particular narrative that makes me

00:18:00.440 very much have animus towards the Jew, towards Israel. So that's sort of the academic progressive

00:18:05.940 left. Then there is kind of the neo-Nazi right that will also write to me Jew hatred stuff, Jews won't

00:18:13.820 replace us and so on. And then of course, the third one that we're both intimately familiar with also

00:18:18.120 is the Islamic one, right? So right now, you know, in the past, at least I could wake up on a given day 1.00

00:18:25.780 and say, okay, today, I'm getting hit by the neo-Nazis. Whereas now, in any direction, I turn ayan,

00:18:31.900 they're coming at me. So continue.

00:18:37.720 I was at an event in Springfield, Massachusetts last month. And someone that a rabbi was making a 0.92

00:18:47.040 comparison between the neo-Nazi far-right anti-Semitism and then the one on the far left.

00:18:56.060 And he said, the far right one is like a heart attack. You know, it's going to kill you. 0.99

00:19:01.000 You know what to expect. And then the far left one was like this chronic cancer or like a chronic

00:19:07.820 disease. It's there and it comes, you know, in the name of justice.

00:19:13.200 Right.

00:19:14.460 And that's also, I think, one thing, you know, when you're within Jewish communities, it's like,

00:19:20.560 how can you not see, how can you not peel back all this language of justice, this nice sounding stuff

00:19:30.300 and see this thing for what it is? It's a real monster. But a lot of Jewish people got beguiled 0.98

00:19:37.520 into thinking that by joining the woke, that they were fighting for the rights of blacks and women

00:19:43.780 and gays and transgender and so on. So I think the far left anti-Semitism is the most dangerous

00:19:51.640 because it recruits Jewish people and it uses some of the most basic principles of the Jewish faith,

00:20:00.600 such as justice, to market itself. And I think one of, if you think about subversion in general,

00:20:09.880 and maybe we'll come to talking about subversion, it is, you don't have to go around spending a lot

00:20:17.020 of money or blood or treasure in demolishing your enemy. You just find out what his weaknesses are

00:20:24.940 and you use those weaknesses against him. And I think the left has perfected that to a certain extent

00:20:31.600 against the West, against Jewish communities in Israel, against women. So women, if you look at 0.98

00:20:40.860 almost all the famous, well-funded women's organizations, it's this language of inclusion 0.79

00:20:49.880 that is used against them. You know, we should open the borders. Any sane woman knows that open 1.00

00:20:56.540 borders mean trouble for women, but you can't find any feminist movement against it. So this is, 1.00

00:21:02.300 this is the thing that's so insidious about, about the left is that they can convince you

00:21:08.520 to take part in your own demise. Yeah. So I, so I'm not saying this for self-promotion on my show,

00:21:15.640 but it's relevant for the, for the conversation. So in the parasitic mind, what I'm arguing there

00:21:21.980 is that our cognitive system, our thought processes can be hijacked by ideological rapture,

00:21:29.960 causing us to say, hashtag, you know, open borders, refugees welcome. In my forthcoming book,

00:21:36.620 Suicidal Empathy, I continue the story by then arguing that our emotional, our affective system

00:21:44.260 can be hijacked. So now it's the perfect cocktail, right? Because we are both a thinking and feeling

00:21:50.460 animal. If I can, to your, to your, the word you use, subvert, if I could subvert your cognitive

00:21:57.060 system and then hit you with a double whammy with your emotional system, I've won the war and I didn't 0.65

00:22:02.700 have to fire a single shot. What do you, what do you think of that? That's exactly right. And I think,

00:22:08.580 you know, you'll go back to philosophers like Hegel, I've been reading Karl Popper and he says,

00:22:14.960 go back as far as Aristotle, even Plato. And so it is this, but Hegel really is the one who left us

00:22:21.340 with this legacy of rekindling tribalism. And then the emphasis on the feelings, as long as,

00:22:29.060 you know, subjectivity taken to an extreme. And, um, the reason why I'm optimistic about fighting

00:22:36.040 this thing back is Western society cannot function if it abandons objectivity and if it abandons

00:22:43.180 reality. So growing up in a clan society, for instance, everything was objective. It's all about

00:22:48.640 intuition and feeling and sizing things up. And, you know, uh, someone who cannot read or write, 0.99

00:22:56.240 like my grandmother had all this intuitive wisdom, learning through a great deal of hardship. And

00:23:01.720 that was, that was admired. And part of, uh, why is that people become so cunning and deceitful.

00:23:11.740 And that's how you, how you survive in a very harsh tribal context. You know, this better than I do,

00:23:19.240 but the tribe by definition is genocidal because hey, if either you survive or I survive,

00:23:26.220 it's zero sum resources are scarce. And so there's this constant cycle of, uh, of violence and

00:23:32.600 hostility and you learn to survive in that, um, in that, uh, ecosystem. So what the West is doing

00:23:42.340 now is they've imported all these people who come from that ecosystem where they know how to be

00:23:49.260 on top when it comes to subjectivity. And the West developed over a long time,

00:23:56.140 this rational objective systems. And so in the West, you really, there is no West if there's no

00:24:01.880 objectivity. And it's so, I mean, I, I, you should try to book on it. I don't have the time. I wish I

00:24:09.900 could. Uh, but I'm so glad that we're now becoming, um, aware of the deception that is in words like

00:24:21.060 decolonization and, um, and, and words like all this blame that's heaps on the West and you'll find

00:24:32.080 Western man's, um, pressure points and especially the guilt he feels towards being affluent or towards,

00:24:40.600 uh, living. It's, it's really inheriting a society that has a good story to tell and a bad story to

00:24:49.280 tell. And we come in and we tell you this bad story and we keep pushing at these sensitive areas

00:24:53.960 and you fall for it over and over again, but there is no affluence for anyone. If we abandon

00:25:01.120 objectivity, objective truth, if we abandon science, if we abandon the open society. So I think that,

00:25:09.940 uh, those of us who understand that this are going to come up and we will be from the West itself.

00:25:17.320 And also we will be immigrants who can tell you, uh, precisely why these societies that are

00:25:23.840 based on subjectivity keep failing over and over and over again. So if the West becomes tribal,

00:25:30.060 the West becomes subjective and then the West becomes like everyone else.

00:25:33.840 Right. So, I mean, that's why, by the way, uh, of all of the parasitic ideas that I've discussed

00:25:38.200 to your point, I say that postmodernism is the granddaddy of all idea pathogens, because it is the one

00:25:45.340 that allows all of the other parasitic ideas to flourish and, and, and, and, and catch on.

00:25:51.220 Yeah. But okay. So let's suppose we can build an evac, a mind vaccine against all this

00:25:58.020 imbecility. Okay. Fair enough. But then what do we do? 1.00

00:26:01.640 Can I say it's not weak? We have built it. We have built. So this is again, what makes the West

00:26:07.440 unique is we have built this mind vaccine. We just haven't been applying it. Then we surrendered

00:26:13.620 the universities to those subjective, you know, gone. I think, I think the fight is not a fight

00:26:20.360 of, can we come up with something new? I think the fight is one of how can we restore what we have

00:26:25.960 and we're about to lose. Fair enough. So, okay. Whether we already have the vaccine or we deploy

00:26:32.780 a new one or set up new mind vaccine centers, that's all great. And that's what I spend most of

00:26:37.240 my day doing. But there is another problem here, which is, and obviously you're aware of this,

00:26:42.760 but for our listeners and viewers, you know, the old maxim that demography is destiny is truly act,

00:26:50.820 right? I mean, you are the sum of the people that make up your society. And if we all share the exact

00:26:56.280 same foundational values, then we have a great society called the United States or the West,

00:27:00.660 whatever. And if we don't, and if we start losing that, then all of the mind vaccines in the world

00:27:06.440 are not going to reverse that. So now in the West, one of the parasitic ideas is all refugees welcome. 0.97

00:27:14.160 Everybody has an, Hey, Elon Musk is an immigrant. Why are you a bigot, Gadsad? Why, you know,

00:27:19.900 all immigrants are equally likely to assimilate. Now that idea pathogen and cultural relativism

00:27:26.900 has resulted in the influx of millions of people that do not share a single one of our foundational

00:27:34.580 values. So even if now people have woken up and will put an end to that immigration pattern,

00:27:40.940 isn't the cancer already here and irreversible? I mean, how do you get the millions of people that

00:27:46.520 are already in your society short of deporting everybody who doesn't share your values? How can

00:27:51.300 you fix that problem, Ayaan? I think because it's a multi-pronged problem, it requires a multi-pronged

00:28:00.760 solution. I think we should be making our own babies. We should not be outsourcing

00:28:05.340 baby making to third world countries. And in order to do that, I think we have to reverse 1.00

00:28:12.820 this toxic relationship that has developed between men and women in general in the West.

00:28:17.760 And to do that, that means we have to talk about the unintended consequences of feminism. 1.00

00:28:25.660 There are all the good things about feminist fights for the emancipation of women has been 1.00

00:28:31.440 amazing. And I tell you every day, I am one grateful woman to be in the West for all the things that we

00:28:39.160 have achieved, men and women. But I think somewhere, I don't know, we took a left turn and now we are

00:28:45.620 almost off a precipice because men and women are talking past one another. And a narrative is

00:28:53.180 developed that it's like the tribal, the men tribe and the women tribe, and it's zero sum. And if you

00:29:02.700 want to advance in life, you have to take something away from a man because he's taking it away from you.

00:29:07.620 It's just really sick. So we've got to bring back a healthy relationship between, and this is generally

00:29:19.400 speaking, by the way, talking of optimism, I'm talking to a lot of women right now, young women,

00:29:25.580 Gen Z women, who are very much aware of this and who want this, and who were able really to identify 0.70

00:29:31.860 where things went wrong, and they don't want any part of that cancerous feminism of hostility towards 1.00

00:29:38.500 men. So the thing is, we have to love our men, we have to cherish them, and we have to protect them,

00:29:44.280 and then they'll protect us. And there's a great deal of wise women who are now coming to that

00:29:50.940 understanding. If you kill all testosterone, you'll be someone's slave. 0.95

00:29:54.900 Exactly right. I know that you, I'm sorry, go ahead. 0.99

00:30:00.020 I said it was a multi-pronged. So that is, then of course, the immigration issue. This is a part of the

00:30:08.620 subversive efforts to destroy the West. And the people who are saying they want to destroy the West, you

00:30:14.760 don't have to think in conspiracy theories. They say it, they write it, they're all over the place. We have to

00:30:20.680 dismantle critical race theory and critical theory, critical, this, all these neo-Marxist stuff. It's

00:30:28.840 out there. They say, it's just like the way I talk about the Muslim Brotherhood. You know, you don't

00:30:32.820 have to second guess them. Don't listen to me, listen to them. And so I think you have to ferret out

00:30:38.660 all of these ideologies, bring them into the open, expose them, and fight them with counter-narratives,

00:30:44.980 which I think we can do. I think people who love, I mean, I love America, you love Canada,

00:30:53.240 and so on. We've got to get up and get our hands dirty in the sense that we need to get involved

00:30:59.020 in politics. Again, to go back to the tech bros, all they wanted to do was innovate and build and

00:31:08.200 not have anything to do with politics. And if politics came their way, they would, you know,

00:31:13.940 write them a check and they'd be left alone. And they've discovered that that's not how it works.

00:31:19.180 Politics will not leave you alone. So I think we have to start doing exactly what open societies

00:31:25.080 were built for. And that was participation of the electorate. We have to take part in this process,

00:31:33.440 which is the fight for power. And we will fight for power. And it's not unchecked power. We want our

00:31:39.160 power to be checked, but it's for the preservation of the systems that we have. We can reform the

00:31:46.060 systems, but we don't want to dismantle them. And I think we have to express that. And one of the

00:31:51.840 systems that we ought to expressly stand for is the nation state and its nationhood. And if you have

00:32:03.040 which is what we have in the West, a weakened idea of what nationhood is, you will go along with the

00:32:11.420 nonsense of opening the borders and letting everybody in.

00:32:15.020 Well, by the way, Justin Trudeau, if you remember, said that Canada is now a post-nation entity, right?

00:32:22.560 We are now a globalist construct. And therefore, there is no such thing as Canadian values to speak

00:32:29.400 of. So to your point, that's exactly I mean, by the way, that started with his dad, who instituted

00:32:35.620 the political philosophy of multiculturalism, not to be confused with the idea of having a

00:32:41.540 pluralistic society where I can eat Somali food or Ethiopian food or Greek food. That's great. That

00:32:46.720 enriches society. But multiculturalism is a political philosophy. We're now seeing its consequences in

00:32:52.720 Canada. I know what multiculturalism is, but thank you for clarifying it for the audience.

00:33:00.060 I think that when you say post-nation reality, it really is a euphemism for tribalism and for

00:33:09.460 subjectivity. And for ideologies, you know, Marxism, socialism, revolutionary socialism is a form of

00:33:18.580 tribalism. Marx, again, go back to Hegel and what he argues for. So post-nation state is post-Hegel.

00:33:26.960 So it is post, it's tribalism. And it's primitivism. And it's a return to subjectivity. This is where

00:33:36.600 multiculturalism also anything goes. You are not supposed to compare these cultures and say this

00:33:42.600 one is superior to that one, because all cultures are equal. That level of moral relativism,

00:33:49.300 leads to the guillotine. It leads to genocide. It leads to a decay. You know, it's awful. And that's

00:33:58.020 really what they want. Yeah. So part of it is to expose what they're saying. And it's so important

00:34:05.400 to have someone within Canada stand up to Trudeau and have him actually go and live among tribespeople

00:34:11.700 so that he can discover for himself what it is like. Let's send them to Mogadishu for a holiday. 0.99

00:34:18.680 I'll pay for it. Will you join me in paying for him to go to Mogadishu for a month?

00:34:22.720 I'll pay for Justin Trudeau to go to Mogadishu for a month.

00:34:26.260 Okay, I know that you were fortunate enough, I never got the pleasure of meeting Christopher Hitchens. And I

00:34:35.060 know, I think it was him who would said that, you know, Islam can only continue to flourish as long 0.90

00:34:42.080 as women, I mean, I'm paraphrasing his words, I don't remember his exact words, as long as,

00:34:46.060 you know, Muslim women go along with it, the day that the Muslim women say, 0.98

00:34:50.540 we're done, then the whole thing collapses. Is that,

00:34:55.220 in your view, the most direct way to defang and soften Islam through creating a narrative that

00:35:04.860 allows women, Muslim women to have the courage to say, no, no, no, we're not doing ABC anymore.

00:35:09.840 Mm-hmm. I think here I will disagree with Christopher and say, if you want a radical change

00:35:18.380 to a civilization as old as Islamic civilization, we're talking about 1400 years, it'll have to 1.00

00:35:26.460 come from the man of Islam. And it'll have to come from those men adopting an attitude of critical 0.97

00:35:33.100 thinking and redirecting their energy from the objective of achieving societies that live under

00:35:39.720 Sharia law to societies that adopt secular law. Now, to say secular law doesn't mean that they

00:35:48.760 have to throw away their religion, but they'll have to throw away the political aspects of their

00:35:55.000 religion. And I can see the UAE seems to have to want to go that way. Even Saudi Arabia under this

00:36:06.260 crown prince wants to go that way. God, in its most simplistic way, Islamism says 0.65

00:36:17.640 life in the hereafter is more important than life on earth. And therefore, if you want to have a good

00:36:29.840 place in eternal life, life after death, you have to engage in the jihad, that is to give infidels, 1.00

00:36:39.680 non-Muslims, offer them the Sharia, and if they reject it, then offer them either death or life as 1.00

00:36:50.660 inferior peoples. 0.52

00:36:53.040 What I think that UAE and Saudi Arabia, they have made a choice, they understand that better than you

00:37:03.380 and me, they're steeped in Islamic faith. And I think in their actions, they seem to have made a choice

00:37:10.740 to say, no, we want to build for life on earth. And hence, you see all this materialism,

00:37:17.820 and they have corrupt the powers of the Salafis and the Wahhabis. Unfortunately for us, 0.97

00:37:25.420 the Wahhabis and the Salafis, hiding under the banner of the Muslim Brotherhood, have established 0.68

00:37:31.920 themselves in the West, and so now they're flourishing in the West more than they are flourishing

00:37:36.740 in their countries of origin, where they've been banned and they've been told to,

00:37:42.100 they're taken down a notch or two. So if, is it women, I'll say if Mohammed bin Salman 1.00

00:37:57.660 decides that he's going to allow women to go to school, finish school, work and keep their jobs,

00:38:07.140 and take, participate in shaping the future of Saudi Arabia, and by extension, the Muslim world,

00:38:15.920 then I think, and I think that's what Christopher Hitchens really meant, was then things will change.

00:38:23.680 Giving Muslim women agency is going to change the Muslim world for the better. 1.00

00:38:28.280 But the agency has to be given to them by men, and men have to continue to protect women's agency. 0.51

00:38:36.700 I can't remember if we spoke about this the last time you were on the show, but do you hold out any hope

00:38:44.340 that there could be a doctrinal reformation of Islam so that, you know, that particular passage that said,

00:38:54.620 kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, we reinterpret it as meaning kill with kindness, or is the whole reformation project

00:39:01.080 a complete waste of time? 0.79

00:39:04.280 So no reformation, no change is going to come from the ground in any Islamic context, unless it is accompanied by force, 0.92

00:39:15.640 and unless it's also enforced by force, overwhelming force.

00:39:23.400 So again, to stay with Saudi Arabia, why Saudi Arabia?

00:39:26.220 Because it's the most important Muslim country in the world, more important than Iran. 0.99

00:39:30.980 You know, five days, five times a day, Muslims face Mecca.

00:39:36.540 That's one-fifth of humanity.

00:39:38.120 So that country is very important.

00:39:41.560 If, again, Mohammed bin Salman and his circle decide to define what Islam is, and then enforce it,

00:39:52.020 then it's going to be what they define it to be.

00:39:55.920 If they decide to review the Quran and say, look, some of what's here is historic.

00:40:03.680 If they decide to review the legacy of the Prophet and say, we've got to read this stuff in historic content,

00:40:11.620 and we're going to decide how we've got to go with the times and live with the times,

00:40:17.480 if they then say some of these very basic scriptures are never to be practiced again,

00:40:29.360 and enforce it with power, I will say that's going to be much more lasting than if you only round up the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood 0.99

00:40:40.200 and throw them in jail and behead them and exile them. 0.99

00:40:43.560 Because as we've seen from previous decades, that has happened over and over and over again. 1.00

00:40:49.880 The Islamists have been jailed, they've been hung, they have been massacred,

00:40:55.200 and they have a way of coming back over and over again.

00:40:59.320 You know, Al-Qaeda is supposedly destroyed.

00:41:02.280 ISIS is supposedly destroyed.

00:41:04.480 Even the Muslim Brotherhood is kicked out of office when, in 2012, they adopted office in Egypt.

00:41:09.820 But the idea, the ideas that they build on,

00:41:14.480 as long as they remain in the Quran and as long as they remain in the Hadith and in the Seerah,

00:41:18.780 then they're going to lead a life of their own.

00:41:21.920 And so we need the leadership of Saudi Arabia and the other Arab countries that have been negatively affected,

00:41:28.820 the Muslim countries that have been negatively affected by this,

00:41:31.700 to come together and say,

00:41:33.840 we are going to determine now exactly,

00:41:38.240 you know,

00:41:39.200 we are going to define Islam.

00:41:41.640 And what we leave out is to be left out,

00:41:45.100 and we're going to enforce it.

00:41:46.800 And I think then we have to collaborate with the whole world,

00:41:49.540 because radical Islam threatens nearly every place where it has established itself.

00:41:54.600 Now it's more of a threat to the West than it is to Arab countries. 1.00

00:41:58.800 So in that sense, I think it is this,

00:42:01.160 in my,

00:42:01.860 I believe that it has to be a global effort

00:42:04.800 to come together and say,

00:42:07.100 we are going to tackle the ideology.

00:42:09.180 That means we're going to remove these, 0.56

00:42:11.920 the content from children's schools and textbooks,

00:42:16.700 from high schools,

00:42:18.660 from universities,

00:42:20.260 from the media,

00:42:21.920 from religious circles.

00:42:24.900 This all has to be audited almost.

00:42:27.540 And I know precisely what needs,

00:42:29.260 and I think you do too.

00:42:30.520 We know exactly what needs to be removed

00:42:32.360 and put in a museum and say,

00:42:34.340 that's where it belongs.

00:42:35.400 And now we choose for a life on earth,

00:42:37.620 and we're going to build for a life on earth.

00:42:40.240 It'll be amazing.

00:42:41.120 There'll be peace between the Jews and the Arabs,

00:42:43.660 and it's going to last,

00:42:44.960 because then the Arabs,

00:42:47.920 the Arab energy is going to be redirected 0.99

00:42:51.340 from spending all on hating the Jews 0.53

00:42:53.360 to all on loving themselves and their children.

00:42:57.000 You know, I've said the exact same thing,

00:42:59.020 that, you know,

00:42:59.480 because I come from the Middle East,

00:43:01.300 and I, I mean,

00:43:02.200 there are so many elements of who I am

00:43:04.480 that are Arabic, right?

00:43:05.520 Arabic is my mother tongue.

00:43:06.820 We, we've listened to Arabic music.

00:43:08.540 We, we eat Lebanese food.

00:43:11.100 And so there are ways by which

00:43:13.940 I could interact both with my Jewish heritage

00:43:17.100 and my Arabic heritage

00:43:18.980 without taking seriously,

00:43:21.480 you know, right?

00:43:21.880 I don't take something

00:43:22.940 that's in Deuteronomy seriously.

00:43:25.040 So there are ways by which

00:43:27.100 you could be fully immersed

00:43:29.880 in a pride of your history,

00:43:32.280 your Islamic history,

00:43:33.700 Islamic architecture,

00:43:34.940 Islamic thought,

00:43:35.820 Islamic philosophy,

00:43:37.200 Islamic poetry,

00:43:38.040 and that's fantastic.

00:43:39.820 But you defang those elements

00:43:41.900 to your point,

00:43:42.780 whereby I'm not losing my identity

00:43:45.400 as a Muslim

00:43:46.380 by giving away,

00:43:48.440 you know, 0.81

00:43:49.020 the Jewish hatred and so on.

00:43:50.640 And then you could open up

00:43:52.620 the human capital that exists.

00:43:55.060 And I mean, you know this,

00:43:55.960 I mean, you know,

00:43:57.160 you've lived, I think,

00:43:57.920 in Saudi Arabia, haven't you?

00:43:59.340 Is that, is that?

00:43:59.780 I hear it.

00:44:00.420 I hear it.

00:44:01.600 The Islamists came to Somalia 1.00

00:44:02.960 and they came to Kenya

00:44:03.920 and they're everywhere.

00:44:05.360 So they followed me everywhere.

00:44:07.120 But, you know,

00:44:08.080 there is such, you know,

00:44:09.160 the culture of hospitality

00:44:10.680 is so beautiful

00:44:12.260 in the Middle East, right?

00:44:13.400 The way the language is,

00:44:15.460 the poetry,

00:44:16.300 the way guys speak

00:44:17.460 to each other.

00:44:17.980 When I try to explain

00:44:18.860 to someone who speaks English

00:44:20.120 the way that men will, 0.93

00:44:21.760 you know,

00:44:22.400 how can I help you, my love?

00:44:24.020 But this is a man saying

00:44:25.100 to another man

00:44:26.060 in a very poetic,

00:44:27.500 so there are so many

00:44:28.720 beautiful elements

00:44:29.960 to that culture

00:44:31.580 that if we can unleash it

00:44:33.400 without all of the negative stuff,

00:44:35.740 you'd have a complete renaissance

00:44:37.260 in the Middle East

00:44:38.060 that would be mind-blowing.

00:44:39.940 Okay, a few more things

00:44:40.780 because I'm looking at the time

00:44:41.760 and I've only got

00:44:42.360 a few more minutes with you.

00:44:44.120 Are you prepared

00:44:45.200 to talk at all

00:44:46.160 about the November 5th meeting

00:44:51.180 that we have

00:44:52.080 in the United States?

00:44:53.220 Or do you not usually

00:44:54.820 talk about politics?

00:44:56.060 Or do you...

00:44:56.380 Oh, but this one

00:44:57.540 is so consequential

00:44:58.820 that I talk about it.

00:45:00.000 Okay, so take it away.

00:45:01.720 Give us your thoughts.

00:45:02.720 Give us your prediction.

00:45:03.880 Give it to us, Ayaan.

00:45:05.220 Yeah, well, it's...

00:45:06.960 It really...

00:45:08.960 To me, it boils down to this.

00:45:10.560 The Democratic Party

00:45:11.540 is not the Democratic Party

00:45:13.200 of Bill Clinton.

00:45:14.300 It's not the Democratic Party

00:45:15.640 of the moderates.

00:45:17.260 And Kamala Harris,

00:45:18.880 for me, represents the woke.

00:45:20.640 And that is why

00:45:21.540 she's having a hard time 1.00

00:45:23.080 moving to the middle.

00:45:24.720 You know, poor woman, 1.00

00:45:25.740 she's being asked all the time,

00:45:27.080 can you give us

00:45:27.620 what you really think?

00:45:28.660 Or if she does that, 0.96

00:45:31.280 it's either

00:45:31.860 what she really thinks,

00:45:33.260 which is woke.

00:45:35.000 I mean, no one has asked her yet

00:45:38.100 in all of those friendly interviews

00:45:40.240 that she gave.

00:45:41.440 Hey, Kamala, what's a woman? 1.00

00:45:43.920 Right.

00:45:45.240 She won't answer that question.

00:45:48.540 You know, she can answer

00:45:49.460 that question in a way

00:45:50.520 that either satisfies

00:45:51.560 the moderates

00:45:52.480 and then she loses

00:45:54.960 the radical left

00:45:56.540 or the other way around.

00:45:59.640 She satisfies the radical left

00:46:01.260 and she loses the election.

00:46:03.780 And so far,

00:46:04.720 the questions she was getting

00:46:06.080 on the economy,

00:46:07.740 on the Middle East,

00:46:09.080 on all of this,

00:46:10.300 she ducks,

00:46:12.080 but she sort of leans

00:46:13.740 towards the woke side.

00:46:15.560 And so I think

00:46:16.120 she's going to lose

00:46:16.960 herself the election.

00:46:17.940 And think of the Democratic Party

00:46:20.820 as a machine.

00:46:22.480 And I think

00:46:23.100 this machine is trapped.

00:46:25.220 They are trapped

00:46:25.880 by the radical,

00:46:27.120 radical fringe wing,

00:46:28.840 what used to be the fringe.

00:46:30.680 And the only way forward,

00:46:32.480 and it's very important,

00:46:34.660 God,

00:46:35.260 a democracy

00:46:35.960 cannot function

00:46:37.460 as a single party entity.

00:46:39.020 We need the two parties.

00:46:40.500 So even if the GOP

00:46:42.520 takes government now,

00:46:44.820 they are the governing party

00:46:46.000 and we need an opposition.

00:46:47.360 We need a viable opposition.

00:46:49.260 So for me,

00:46:49.880 the best thing

00:46:50.700 is for the Democratic Party

00:46:52.820 to lose

00:46:53.560 and not lose

00:46:54.520 by a little margin,

00:46:55.520 but lose in a landslide.

00:46:57.460 Like a Reagan win

00:46:59.020 kind of thing.

00:47:00.300 Yeah,

00:47:00.520 you need a Reagan win

00:47:01.620 for the other side

00:47:02.520 and you need

00:47:03.120 huge loss

00:47:04.200 for the Democratic side

00:47:05.360 because that's going

00:47:06.680 to force

00:47:07.500 the Democrats

00:47:09.120 to have

00:47:09.760 this inner confrontation

00:47:11.300 that they didn't have,

00:47:12.740 the internal confrontation

00:47:14.040 they didn't have

00:47:14.720 in 2016.

00:47:16.600 And again,

00:47:17.940 they didn't have it

00:47:18.720 in 2020,

00:47:19.940 but sooner or later

00:47:21.160 that kind of

00:47:22.360 reckoning

00:47:22.900 has to come

00:47:23.760 and that you have

00:47:26.220 all these different factions

00:47:27.940 within the Democratic Party

00:47:29.740 and one faction

00:47:31.460 has to come on top

00:47:32.920 and I hope

00:47:33.720 it's the moderate faction

00:47:34.960 that says,

00:47:36.100 you know,

00:47:36.400 we are pro

00:47:37.500 the American Constitution

00:47:39.820 and the Bill of Rights

00:47:41.180 and we are not going

00:47:42.820 to rename

00:47:43.740 the days of the year.

00:47:47.040 We've just had

00:47:47.760 Columbus Day,

00:47:48.540 they call it

00:47:48.980 Indigenous Day. 0.58

00:47:50.020 Get rid of that nonsense. 0.70

00:47:52.000 We're not going 0.97

00:47:52.600 to get rid of

00:47:53.440 the Electoral College.

00:47:54.620 We are not going

00:47:55.200 to park the courts.

00:47:56.820 We are the Democratic Party

00:47:58.320 and we want

00:47:59.680 to be here

00:48:00.340 to preserve

00:48:00.940 the Constitution

00:48:01.700 and then,

00:48:02.580 you know,

00:48:03.240 take part

00:48:03.980 in the loyal opposition

00:48:08.000 to the people

00:48:10.100 who are in government

00:48:10.880 and that's how

00:48:12.180 our system

00:48:12.780 is supposed to function

00:48:13.800 and the same applies

00:48:15.640 to the Republican Party,

00:48:17.100 by the way.

00:48:18.000 But yeah,

00:48:18.360 on November 5,

00:48:20.000 if the Democrats

00:48:22.080 lose,

00:48:23.260 I hope

00:48:24.400 what follows

00:48:25.100 is an autopsy,

00:48:26.960 a proper autopsy,

00:48:28.080 a real reckoning.

00:48:30.300 And then,

00:48:30.960 of course,

00:48:31.220 on the side,

00:48:31.680 they'll have to be able

00:48:32.400 to do the opposition

00:48:33.380 as well.

00:48:34.680 If

00:48:35.020 the GOP win,

00:48:39.620 I think

00:48:40.340 they have their work

00:48:41.520 cut out for them

00:48:42.440 because

00:48:42.880 these three key issues,

00:48:45.200 the economy

00:48:47.120 and

00:48:48.920 immigration

00:48:50.620 and immigration

00:48:51.640 slash

00:48:52.500 the rule of law.

00:48:54.040 I mean,

00:48:54.240 crime is out of control.

00:48:58.200 Inflation,

00:48:59.000 those are the things

00:49:00.340 I think

00:49:00.680 that they'll be focusing on

00:49:01.980 and then,

00:49:02.520 right now,

00:49:03.000 there are two wars.

00:49:04.620 So,

00:49:04.800 when you,

00:49:05.580 whoever takes office

00:49:06.920 in January

00:49:07.680 is going to have to deal

00:49:08.940 with what's going on

00:49:09.780 in the Middle East

00:49:10.420 and in Ukraine.

00:49:11.940 They're going to be

00:49:12.700 too busy

00:49:13.200 to do anything bad.

00:49:14.540 I don't worry

00:49:15.240 about Donald Trump.

00:49:16.980 What was it?

00:49:18.080 They worried

00:49:19.120 that he was going

00:49:19.720 to be a dictator.

00:49:20.840 I'm not worried

00:49:21.680 about Donald Trump

00:49:22.680 being a dictator.

00:49:23.360 Oh,

00:49:23.540 but a lot of our

00:49:24.460 common friends,

00:49:25.560 I won't mention them,

00:49:26.940 have said that,

00:49:28.040 no,

00:49:28.280 but their prediction

00:49:29.120 that he'll be a dictator

00:49:30.300 still holds true.

00:49:31.720 He just chose

00:49:32.640 to not implement it

00:49:34.080 during his first term.

00:49:35.720 It's only during

00:49:36.580 his second term

00:49:37.540 that he'll show

00:49:38.300 his Hitlerian colors.

00:49:40.980 Trump derangement syndrome.

00:49:43.200 It's,

00:49:43.980 yeah,

00:49:44.360 it's a form of denial

00:49:45.540 so that you don't see

00:49:47.260 your own problems,

00:49:48.400 you see.

00:49:49.040 And the people

00:49:49.740 who are saying

00:49:50.260 these are the people

00:49:50.980 for,

00:49:51.600 I think,

00:49:52.120 who think

00:49:52.680 they see the problems

00:49:53.780 within the Democratic Party,

00:49:55.260 but they think

00:49:55.760 they're too big.

00:49:58.100 And the problems

00:49:59.460 within the Democratic Party

00:50:00.640 are major.

00:50:01.660 I mean,

00:50:02.020 it really is,

00:50:03.480 we need a proper

00:50:05.100 reckoning.

00:50:05.740 I don't think

00:50:06.300 we can function

00:50:07.120 without the Democratic Party,

00:50:10.020 but the way

00:50:10.980 the way

00:50:11.480 this is supposed

00:50:12.320 to go

00:50:12.660 is for the Democratic Party

00:50:14.000 too.

00:50:15.560 Did you see

00:50:16.360 Bill Ackman's

00:50:17.460 33 points?

00:50:19.680 I didn't see

00:50:20.240 the 33 points,

00:50:21.200 but I love

00:50:21.640 the fact

00:50:22.040 that he's coming

00:50:22.660 around

00:50:23.180 to thinking

00:50:24.440 rationally,

00:50:25.100 so I appreciate that.

00:50:26.680 So I think

00:50:27.340 with leaders

00:50:27.960 like that,

00:50:28.640 when you get,

00:50:29.540 you know,

00:50:30.320 lifelong Democrats

00:50:31.800 coming out

00:50:32.480 and saying

00:50:32.920 this is,

00:50:33.920 there's something

00:50:34.360 wrong with

00:50:35.300 with our party,

00:50:37.100 not just how

00:50:38.020 we message.

00:50:39.040 Unfortunately,

00:50:39.860 in 2016

00:50:40.800 and in 2020,

00:50:41.640 they put all

00:50:42.560 their money

00:50:43.020 and hope

00:50:43.580 on messaging

00:50:44.780 and they thought

00:50:46.160 if only we paint

00:50:47.320 the other side

00:50:48.280 as

00:50:48.940 radioactive,

00:50:52.680 our problems

00:50:54.560 will go away. 0.71

00:50:55.580 So,

00:50:55.940 you know,

00:50:56.400 Donald Trump 1.00

00:50:56.900 is a felon, 1.00

00:50:57.640 Donald Trump 1.00

00:50:58.160 is this,

00:50:58.740 Donald Trump

00:50:59.160 is that,

00:51:00.380 and they neglected

00:51:01.680 really doing

00:51:03.460 the work

00:51:03.800 that they should

00:51:04.240 have done

00:51:04.540 in 2016.

00:51:05.740 In 2016,

00:51:06.720 after Obama's

00:51:07.840 last time,

00:51:09.780 second time,

00:51:12.900 suddenly someone

00:51:14.040 out of

00:51:14.600 completely nowhere,

00:51:16.840 Donald Trump,

00:51:18.060 who had no

00:51:18.860 political history,

00:51:20.180 won the election

00:51:21.040 and they didn't

00:51:23.140 look,

00:51:24.100 I mean,

00:51:24.900 there was a lot

00:51:25.760 of commentary

00:51:26.280 on why that

00:51:27.120 happened.

00:51:27.960 There was a lot

00:51:28.400 of commentary

00:51:28.860 on the forgotten

00:51:29.520 man and the

00:51:29.980 forgotten woman.

00:51:31.000 There was this

00:51:31.560 speech that was

00:51:32.320 given by the

00:51:33.760 man who made

00:51:34.420 Fahrenheit 9-11.

00:51:36.220 Oh,

00:51:36.520 Michael Moore.

00:51:37.620 Michael Moore.

00:51:38.720 So there were

00:51:39.160 very loud voices

00:51:40.720 within the

00:51:41.380 Democratic Party

00:51:42.140 who were saying,

00:51:43.340 hey,

00:51:43.740 this process

00:51:45.220 of globalization

00:51:46.300 that profits

00:51:47.960 only a small

00:51:49.200 subset of the

00:51:50.020 population,

00:51:50.560 it's going to

00:51:51.600 lead to trouble.

00:51:53.320 And they

00:51:55.000 didn't pay

00:51:55.400 attention to that

00:51:56.100 because they

00:51:56.600 thought,

00:51:56.980 and I remember

00:51:57.440 sitting in on

00:51:58.260 some of those

00:51:58.980 gatherings where

00:52:00.640 they said,

00:52:01.040 well,

00:52:01.380 it's not

00:52:01.820 just,

00:52:02.300 you know,

00:52:02.460 globalization

00:52:03.020 is unstoppable,

00:52:04.520 it's not

00:52:05.120 just immigration,

00:52:06.060 there's also

00:52:06.440 automation that's

00:52:07.360 coming on,

00:52:08.220 but the reasons

00:52:08.920 that were given

00:52:09.620 over and over

00:52:10.240 again were

00:52:10.740 reasons of

00:52:11.400 there's nothing

00:52:12.180 to do about

00:52:13.000 it.

00:52:13.240 Right.

00:52:14.260 And now I

00:52:15.400 think we're

00:52:16.140 going to find

00:52:16.740 out that

00:52:17.580 actually there

00:52:18.220 is something

00:52:18.680 to do about

00:52:19.340 it.

00:52:21.060 So it

00:52:22.120 makes me

00:52:22.820 optimistic.

00:52:23.460 It makes me

00:52:24.020 optimistic that

00:52:25.040 the Democratic

00:52:27.740 Party will lose

00:52:28.720 this election.

00:52:29.300 Okay,

00:52:29.960 last question

00:52:30.580 because I'm

00:52:30.940 looking at

00:52:31.300 the time.

00:52:32.220 Any projects

00:52:33.420 that you're

00:52:34.100 currently working

00:52:34.820 on, a

00:52:35.280 documentary, a

00:52:36.260 new book,

00:52:36.840 anything that

00:52:37.480 you'd like to

00:52:38.100 use this

00:52:38.500 opportunity to

00:52:39.340 promote, take

00:52:40.400 it away.

00:52:42.620 I'm launching

00:52:43.740 Carriage Media.

00:52:46.540 Carriage Media?

00:52:48.160 Yes, it's based

00:52:49.040 on the success

00:52:50.380 I've had with

00:52:51.180 Restoration,

00:52:52.380 which is on

00:52:53.020 Substack,

00:52:54.400 and there's

00:52:55.240 just a demand

00:52:56.960 for more,

00:52:57.980 more than

00:52:58.860 just writing

00:53:00.120 articles, a

00:53:01.940 demand for

00:53:02.640 interaction, so

00:53:03.640 launching or

00:53:04.900 again, relaunching

00:53:05.720 my podcast, but

00:53:07.680 I almost want to

00:53:09.760 say there's a

00:53:10.160 demand for

00:53:10.720 courage.

00:53:11.400 We just want

00:53:11.880 people to

00:53:12.380 stand up

00:53:12.980 wherever they

00:53:13.600 are and

00:53:14.920 come away

00:53:17.580 from the

00:53:17.940 conformism,

00:53:19.380 the saying

00:53:20.600 that's now

00:53:21.120 almost becoming

00:53:22.040 a cliche,

00:53:23.340 bad things

00:53:23.860 happen when

00:53:24.380 good people

00:53:24.840 do nothing.

00:53:26.360 And so that

00:53:26.740 is really what

00:53:27.380 Carriage Media

00:53:27.980 is all

00:53:28.500 about, is

00:53:29.040 inspiring,

00:53:29.840 trying to

00:53:30.300 bring people

00:53:32.380 on that

00:53:33.460 can inspire

00:53:34.600 the audience

00:53:35.240 to think,

00:53:36.100 okay, she

00:53:36.820 did it or

00:53:37.400 he did it,

00:53:37.960 I can do

00:53:38.400 it too.

00:53:39.100 Beautiful.

00:53:39.940 And I'd love

00:53:40.580 to have you

00:53:41.120 on.

00:53:41.720 Oh, thank

00:53:42.300 you so much.

00:53:42.740 I would love

00:53:43.080 to anytime I'm

00:53:43.980 at your

00:53:44.480 disposal.

00:53:45.980 Thank you so

00:53:46.660 much for coming

00:53:47.100 on.

00:53:47.340 Stay on the

00:53:47.680 line so we

00:53:48.060 can say

00:53:48.340 goodbye

00:53:48.640 quickly offline.

00:53:50.020 This should

00:53:50.640 be up hopefully

00:53:51.420 in the next

00:53:51.760 couple of

00:53:52.080 days.

00:53:52.620 What a pleasure

00:53:53.060 to see you.

00:53:53.500 And we might

00:53:53.980 be seeing

00:53:54.420 each other

00:53:54.940 in person

00:53:55.640 and end

00:53:56.220 of November

00:53:56.760 in England.

00:53:59.620 Wonderful.

00:54:00.160 I look forward

00:54:00.620 to that.

00:54:01.280 Thank you.

00:54:01.740 Cheers.

00:54:02.140 Take care.

00:54:03.020 Cheers.

00:54:03.480 Thank you.

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - October 21, 2024

Ayaan Hirsi Ali Returns - Islam, Immigration, and the State of the West (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_728)

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