The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Danny Burmawi - Ex-Muslim and Author of ＂Islam, Israel and the West＂ (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad

00:00:00.000 Hi everybody, this is Gatsat for The Sad Truth. I'm always excited when I have a fellow Arabic-speaking gentleman from the Middle East.

00:00:09.640 Today I have Dan Birmawi. How are you doing, sir?

00:00:13.600 I'm doing great. Thank you so much. I'm thrilled to be with you. It's so generous for you to have me.

00:00:18.480 Shogun al-Habibi. Dan is the author of a recently released book, Islam, Israel, and the West.

00:00:26.220 We will get into all of that. Before we do that, we're going to talk about, well, I guess it's part of that, his story.

00:00:33.280 You know, what's his trajectory. It's an interesting one, an important one.

00:00:37.540 But we will begin with a bit of Arabic for you.

00:00:41.880 Hader?

00:00:43.240 Hader, Sidi.

00:00:44.660 Fadal.

00:00:45.060 Hader, Bodiaq.

00:00:49.120 I don't know if I'm a Muslim

00:00:51.120 I don't know if I'm a Muslim

00:00:53.120 I don't know if I'm a Muslim

00:00:57.120 and if you don't know who's a Muslim

00:00:59.120 you're sure you're a Muslim

00:01:01.120 Okay

00:01:03.120 Write your name, dear friend

00:01:05.120 on the road

00:01:07.120 On the road

00:01:09.120 Who are you?

00:01:11.120 Fairooz of course

00:01:13.120 Okay, so what I did this

00:01:15.120 I used to do this

00:01:17.120 Let me just translate to our listeners

00:01:19.120 and viewers

00:01:21.120 Many years ago I used to joke around when I

00:01:23.120 would bring in many Arabic speaking

00:01:25.120 guests and I would say that the only way

00:01:27.120 that I can confirm that you are not

00:01:29.120 an Israeli Jewish spy

00:01:31.120 is for me to sing to you a song

00:01:33.120 in Arabic and if you

00:01:35.120 don't recognize who it is and don't

00:01:37.120 recognize the words and so on then I know that

00:01:39.120 you're a Jewish spy. Well I'm here to

00:01:41.120 confirm that Mr. Burmawi

00:01:43.120 is not a Jewish spy because

00:01:45.120 you recognize this famous song as

00:01:47.120 coming from the glorious

00:01:49.120 Lebanese singer Fairooz

00:01:51.120 I highly recommend all of you even if you

00:01:53.120 don't speak Arabic to listen to her

00:01:55.120 her voice is a haunting

00:01:57.120 voice that sort of is

00:01:59.120 the voice of my youth

00:02:01.120 Okay, let's begin

00:02:03.120 with your journey

00:02:05.120 You're born in

00:02:07.120 Jordan

00:02:09.120 You moved to Lebanon

00:02:11.120 Tell us the full story

00:02:13.120 and then we'll take it from there

00:02:15.120 Yeah, I was born in Jordan

00:02:17.120 and I grew up in Muslim family

00:02:21.120 and lived 19 years of my life in Jordan

00:02:27.120 but

00:02:29.120 in 2006 there was that

00:02:31.120 Danish cartoonist controversy

00:02:33.120 you know Danish cartoonist who drew

00:02:35.120 Mohammed

00:02:37.120 so I was emotionally just

00:02:39.120 touched by this sermon

00:02:41.120 by a Kuwaiti Imam

00:02:42.120 his name is Khaled Rashid

00:02:43.120 and that sermon was

00:02:45.120 O Nation of Mohammed

00:02:47.120 I was 18 years old at the time

00:02:49.120 but I was like that changed the trajectory

00:02:51.120 of my life for a while

00:02:53.120 because I decided

00:02:55.120 to dedicate my life to serve

00:02:57.120 Islam and to defend the Prophet

00:02:59.120 so I started going to the mosque

00:03:01.120 five times a day

00:03:03.120 it's like reading the history of Islam

00:03:05.120 reading the Quran

00:03:07.120 just only one year

00:03:09.120 I'm not going to claim that I was like

00:03:11.120 a scholar in Islam

00:03:13.120 or any of that, no I just was like a passionate

00:03:15.120 kid, a passionate teenager

00:03:17.120 who was sincere

00:03:19.120 in seeking Allah or seeking God

00:03:21.120 after almost a year

00:03:23.120 something happened

00:03:25.120 I believe that God

00:03:27.120 sent my way someone who introduced me

00:03:29.120 to the Gospel

00:03:31.120 to the New Testament

00:03:33.120 and I ended up converting to Christianity

00:03:35.120 but it has always been like this

00:03:37.120 I am very loud

00:03:39.120 I'm not afraid

00:03:41.120 I tell people everything I think about

00:03:43.120 so people don't tell me their secrets

00:03:45.120 because

00:03:47.120 anyways I was telling everybody

00:03:49.120 about what I found in Islam

00:03:51.120 and Christianity

00:03:53.120 people didn't take me seriously

00:03:55.120 at the beginning

00:03:57.120 but then

00:03:59.120 when they realized

00:04:01.120 that I was

00:04:03.120 a threat to their children

00:04:05.120 you know people started talking

00:04:07.120 and I ended up

00:04:09.120 at the office of the Jordanian intelligence

00:04:11.120 and because I'm pure Jordanian

00:04:13.120 I'm not from Palestinian origin

00:04:15.120 they have a special treatment

00:04:17.120 they are given

00:04:19.120 second chances all the time

00:04:21.120 it's like they don't just

00:04:23.120 go ahead and punish them immediately

00:04:25.120 so they told me okay we're not going to do

00:04:27.120 anything now because you're from a tribe

00:04:29.120 so don't do that

00:04:31.120 don't talk about the Christ or Christianity

00:04:33.120 or Islam

00:04:35.120 and that's it

00:04:37.120 so I tried to contact churches to go to

00:04:39.120 any church in Jordan

00:04:41.120 it's funny

00:04:43.120 but actually the first church I went to

00:04:45.120 that priest kicked me out

00:04:47.120 and he started yelling at me

00:04:48.120 because

00:04:49.120 the churches in Jordan

00:04:51.120 you know Christians in Jordan

00:04:52.120 they're living like

00:04:53.120 extremely happy life

00:04:55.120 they're comfortable

00:04:56.120 they're rich

00:04:59.120 as long as

00:05:00.120 they don't

00:05:01.120 get political

00:05:02.120 Sid Bouzak

00:05:03.120 exactly

00:05:04.120 Sid Bouzak

00:05:05.120 so

00:05:07.120 a friend

00:05:08.120 actually

00:05:09.120 he was Lebanese

00:05:10.120 living in Canada

00:05:11.120 I'm not going to mention his name

00:05:13.120 but he suggested that

00:05:15.120 I go to

00:05:16.120 Lebanon

00:05:17.120 to

00:05:18.120 a monastery

00:05:19.120 in southern Lebanon

00:05:20.120 and

00:05:21.120 I ended up there

00:05:23.120 and then

00:05:24.120 after that

00:05:25.120 I studied

00:05:26.120 theological studies

00:05:27.120 so

00:05:28.120 I moved to the

00:05:29.120 university

00:05:30.120 where I did that

00:05:31.120 and I lived in Lebanon

00:05:32.120 for 15 years

00:05:33.120 I led

00:05:35.120 the work

00:05:37.120 of a global

00:05:38.120 organization

00:05:39.120 global Christian organization

00:05:41.120 across eight

00:05:42.120 different

00:05:43.120 Arabic countries

00:05:44.120 in the Middle East

00:05:45.120 and in 2023

00:05:46.120 just two months

00:05:47.120 before October 7

00:05:48.120 our

00:05:50.120 newborn child

00:05:51.120 was almost

00:05:52.120 four months old

00:05:53.120 we decided

00:05:55.120 we don't want

00:05:56.120 we don't want them

00:05:57.120 to grow up

00:05:58.120 in that environment

00:05:59.120 environment of fear

00:06:00.120 and slavery

00:06:01.120 so

00:06:03.120 we decided to move

00:06:04.120 and we just moved to the US

00:06:05.120 back then

00:06:07.120 okay

00:06:08.120 can I

00:06:09.120 summarize

00:06:10.120 the

00:06:11.120 reaction

00:06:12.120 that you received

00:06:13.120 when you first

00:06:14.120 you know

00:06:15.120 started telling people

00:06:16.120 that you converted

00:06:17.120 I will do it in Arabic

00:06:19.120 and then you'll translate

00:06:20.120 for the people

00:06:21.120 you ready?

00:06:22.120 yeah

00:06:23.120 yeah

00:06:24.120 yeah

00:06:25.120 yeah

00:06:26.120 yeah

00:06:27.120 yeah

00:06:28.120 yeah

00:06:29.120 yeah

00:06:32.120 yeah

00:06:33.120 please translate for us

00:06:35.120 I wish if they called me animal

00:06:37.120 or

00:06:38.120 something like that

00:06:39.120 it was

00:06:40.120 at the beginning

00:06:41.120 it was like

00:06:42.120 you're paid

00:06:43.120 and

00:06:44.120 every time

00:06:45.120 I

00:06:46.120 I tell what I believe

00:06:47.120 it's the truth

00:06:48.120 people accuse me of

00:06:50.120 getting paid

00:06:51.120 for it

00:06:52.120 yes

00:06:53.120 so

00:06:54.120 then

00:06:55.120 they started saying

00:06:56.120 but you're paid from who?

00:06:57.120 the Jews?

00:06:58.120 who's paying?

00:06:59.120 no the evangelists

00:07:00.120 the missionaries

00:07:01.120 okay

00:07:02.120 but after I moved to Lebanon

00:07:03.120 they started saying

00:07:04.120 oh they gave them

00:07:05.120 women

00:07:06.120 girls

00:07:07.120 yes

00:07:08.120 so I converted for

00:07:09.120 for girls

00:07:10.120 excuse me

00:07:11.120 but of course

00:07:12.120 now after October 7

00:07:13.120 because what happened

00:07:14.120 on October 7

00:07:15.120 and

00:07:16.120 I talked about this

00:07:17.120 in my book

00:07:18.120 I was really happy that

00:07:21.120 Mohammed bin Salman

00:07:22.120 the current prince of Saudi Arabia

00:07:24.120 he was

00:07:25.120 given an interview to Fox News

00:07:27.120 just one week before October 7

00:07:29.120 and he talked about the peace process with Israel

00:07:32.120 and he was optimistic

00:07:33.120 he said yeah we're getting there

00:07:35.120 we're getting somewhere

00:07:36.120 and just one week later

00:07:38.120 Iran

00:07:39.120 sent their hound dogs

00:07:41.120 Hamas

00:07:42.120 to sabotage that peace process

00:07:44.120 so I was furious

00:07:46.120 I was like okay

00:07:47.120 you gotta do something

00:07:48.120 so I recorded a video on TikTok

00:07:50.120 it was not on X

00:07:51.120 at the time

00:07:52.120 I recorded a video

00:07:53.120 and it went viral

00:07:54.120 7-8 million views

00:07:55.120 within like few days

00:07:57.120 and I decided to keep doing that

00:07:59.120 then a year later

00:08:00.120 I started writing here on X

00:08:02.120 and the book was born out of that momentum

00:08:05.120 people were following me

00:08:06.120 people were reading something new

00:08:08.120 but of course now everybody

00:08:11.120 who knows me

00:08:13.120 they're convinced that

00:08:14.120 okay

00:08:15.120 the Mossad

00:08:16.120 recruited Danny

00:08:17.120 and now he's getting paid

00:08:19.120 and people think that

00:08:20.120 okay I made millions

00:08:21.120 after October 7

00:08:23.120 that's that

00:08:24.120 now look at the view behind you

00:08:26.120 you're probably living somewhere in Manhattan

00:08:28.120 in a 20 million dollar

00:08:29.120 bank house

00:08:30.120 ya keleb

00:08:31.120 for those of you who don't follow

00:08:36.120 some of the Arabic

00:08:37.120 you could look it up

00:08:38.120 by the way

00:08:40.120 it's not going to help your reputation

00:08:43.120 with some of those folks

00:08:44.120 the fact that you're coming on this show

00:08:46.120 since according to them

00:08:47.120 I am officially the head of the Mossad

00:08:50.120 who is orchestrating the whole thing of the Middle East

00:08:52.120 it's been 32 years that I'm pretending to be a professor

00:08:56.120 because that's how crafty and shifty Jews are

00:09:01.120 so that yes I've convinced the world that I'm really a professor

00:09:05.120 but really what I am is apparently the head of the Mossad

00:09:08.120 can you explain to the Western mind

00:09:11.120 that doesn't understand the level of orgiastic conspiracies

00:09:16.120 that comes with the

00:09:18.120 well I hate to say it

00:09:20.120 Muslim mind

00:09:21.120 in the Middle East when it comes to the Jews

00:09:24.120 yeah of course

00:09:25.120 listen

00:09:26.120 you lived in the Arab world

00:09:29.120 and you know this

00:09:31.120 I'm pretty sure you know this

00:09:32.120 but I grew up in an environment that

00:09:35.120 if somebody is evil

00:09:38.120 we have a name for them

00:09:40.120 and that name is Yahudi

00:09:43.120 you're a Jew

00:09:44.120 you're a Jew right

00:09:46.120 and conspiracy theorists

00:09:47.120 it's like I grew up with them

00:09:49.120 Pepsi

00:09:50.120 pay every penny saving Israel

00:09:52.120 don't drink Pepsi

00:09:54.120 Coca-Cola

00:09:55.120 if you hold it in front of a mirror

00:09:58.120 it reads

00:09:59.120 no

00:10:00.120 Muhammad

00:10:01.120 no

00:10:02.120 Mecca

00:10:03.120 and the Jews did that

00:10:04.120 I remember

00:10:06.120 a company

00:10:07.120 exported

00:10:08.120 some kind of belts

00:10:11.120 and there was a magnet

00:10:12.120 a piece of magnet

00:10:14.120 in the belt

00:10:15.120 to catch the thing

00:10:17.120 you know

00:10:19.120 and

00:10:21.120 the story was

00:10:23.120 Israel sent us

00:10:24.120 these belts

00:10:25.120 to stop us

00:10:26.120 from procreating

00:10:27.120 and the company

00:10:29.120 just went broke

00:10:30.120 it's like

00:10:32.120 so

00:10:34.120 it is

00:10:36.120 it's unfortunate

00:10:39.120 and

00:10:40.120 when I was

00:10:41.120 16 years old

00:10:42.120 I went to Petra Jordan

00:10:43.120 in Jordan

00:10:44.120 with a Palestinian friend

00:10:46.120 and that was the first time

00:10:47.120 in my life

00:10:48.120 I met a Jew

00:10:49.120 because in my

00:10:50.120 imagination

00:10:51.120 Jews

00:10:52.120 probably they have tails

00:10:53.120 and horns

00:10:54.120 even though we see them on TV

00:10:55.120 but still

00:10:56.120 you know

00:10:57.120 the rhetoric is always

00:10:58.120 coupled with

00:10:59.120 they hide them

00:11:00.120 they hide them

00:11:01.120 so

00:11:02.120 I was in Petra

00:11:03.120 and my Palestinian friend

00:11:04.120 he was climbing

00:11:05.120 a very dangerous rock

00:11:08.120 it was really dangerous

00:11:10.120 and everybody was passing by

00:11:11.120 nobody cared

00:11:12.120 that he was

00:11:14.120 at that spot

00:11:16.120 and then a group

00:11:18.120 stopped

00:11:19.120 and a lady

00:11:20.120 a nice lady

00:11:21.120 20 years ago

00:11:22.120 she was like

00:11:23.120 I'm not gonna leave

00:11:24.120 until you come down

00:11:25.120 you're going to kill yourself

00:11:27.120 come down

00:11:28.120 and

00:11:29.120 she didn't leave

00:11:30.120 and the holy group

00:11:31.120 stopped for like

00:11:32.120 10 minutes

00:11:33.120 until he came down

00:11:34.120 then I

00:11:35.120 realized

00:11:36.120 they were from Israel

00:11:37.120 and that was the first time

00:11:38.120 in my life

00:11:39.120 I meet

00:11:40.120 a Jew

00:11:42.120 and that was shocking

00:11:43.120 to me

00:11:44.120 because like

00:11:45.120 okay listen

00:11:46.120 the Quran told us

00:11:47.120 if they are kind to you

00:11:50.120 they are just trying

00:11:51.120 to convert you

00:11:52.120 they

00:11:53.120 they hate your religion

00:11:54.120 so don't even believe them

00:11:56.120 if they're nice

00:11:57.120 if they're kind

00:11:58.120 so that

00:11:59.120 kind of cognitive

00:12:00.120 doesn't start

00:12:01.120 like playing out

00:12:02.120 it's like

00:12:03.120 on the inside

00:12:04.120 I have this belief

00:12:05.120 and on the outside

00:12:06.120 it's like

00:12:07.120 she seems nice

00:12:09.120 but of course

00:12:10.120 when I

00:12:11.120 later in life

00:12:12.120 when I got to meet

00:12:13.120 more

00:12:14.120 Jewish people

00:12:15.120 I was like

00:12:16.120 okay

00:12:17.120 it's

00:12:19.120 I was redeemed

00:12:21.120 from

00:12:22.120 a narrative

00:12:23.120 of hatred

00:12:24.120 and people don't

00:12:25.120 understand that

00:12:26.120 they think

00:12:27.120 you know

00:12:28.120 ex-Muslims

00:12:29.120 they just hate Islam

00:12:31.120 and they're doing this

00:12:33.120 for money

00:12:34.120 it's like

00:12:35.120 is it worth it

00:12:36.120 to

00:12:37.120 put my life

00:12:38.120 in danger

00:12:39.120 and my family's life

00:12:40.120 in danger

00:12:41.120 for money

00:12:42.120 it's like

00:12:43.120 how much am I going to make

00:12:44.120 and what am I going to do

00:12:45.120 with the money

00:12:46.120 and I'm dead

00:12:47.120 so no

00:12:48.120 I'm telling the truth

00:12:49.120 this is

00:12:50.120 and this is not

00:12:52.120 my own

00:12:53.120 my story

00:12:54.120 alone

00:12:55.120 this is like the story

00:12:56.120 of millions

00:12:57.120 and millions

00:12:58.120 of people who grew up

00:12:59.120 in that environment

00:13:00.120 because

00:13:01.120 there

00:13:02.120 there got to be

00:13:03.120 I'm sorry

00:13:04.120 I talk a lot

00:13:05.120 you can stop me

00:13:06.120 whenever you want

00:13:07.120 but you know

00:13:08.120 in Islam

00:13:09.120 because Jews

00:13:10.120 come at the top

00:13:11.120 of the list

00:13:12.120 of Allah

00:13:13.120 we had to come up

00:13:15.120 with justification

00:13:17.120 to

00:13:18.120 to prove that

00:13:20.120 what Allah is saying

00:13:21.120 is true

00:13:22.120 so we translate

00:13:23.120 everything

00:13:24.120 in a certain way

00:13:25.120 that

00:13:26.120 the Jews

00:13:27.120 always to be blamed

00:13:28.120 because

00:13:29.120 that's

00:13:30.120 our

00:13:31.120 way of

00:13:32.120 survival

00:13:33.120 we want to survive

00:13:34.120 this kind of

00:13:35.120 it's like

00:13:36.120 belief system

00:13:37.120 that teaches you something

00:13:39.120 it's

00:13:40.120 opposite to the reality

00:13:41.120 so what

00:13:42.120 what are you going to do

00:13:43.120 you have to reconcile

00:13:44.120 that idea

00:13:45.120 with reality

00:13:46.120 what

00:13:47.120 I remember

00:13:48.120 I had

00:13:49.120 this was probably more than

00:13:50.120 10-12 years ago

00:13:51.120 one of my first

00:13:52.120 Arabic speaking guests

00:13:54.120 early on my show

00:13:56.120 was a gentleman

00:13:57.120 I wonder if you know him

00:13:58.120 he kind of

00:13:59.120 he's out of the public eye

00:14:00.120 now but he was a

00:14:01.120 very good looking

00:14:02.120 young man

00:14:03.120 his name is

00:14:04.120 Hasim Faraj

00:14:05.120 oh yeah

00:14:07.120 I'm familiar with the name

00:14:08.120 he's a

00:14:09.120 he's a

00:14:10.120 Palestinian guy

00:14:11.120 who was

00:14:12.120 I mean born

00:14:13.120 Muslim

00:14:14.120 and then converted

00:14:15.120 to Christianity

00:14:16.120 so you know

00:14:17.120 all the story

00:14:18.120 repeats itself

00:14:19.120 in very predictable ways

00:14:21.120 and I remembered

00:14:22.120 and you could probably

00:14:23.120 go back and

00:14:24.120 watch the exact moment

00:14:25.120 when he said this

00:14:26.120 at one point he said

00:14:27.120 when I was asking him

00:14:29.120 how did your family

00:14:31.120 react

00:14:32.120 not unlike how

00:14:34.120 when the Jordanian intelligence

00:14:36.120 said you know

00:14:37.120 we're gonna give you

00:14:38.120 a second chance

00:14:39.120 he said oh no no

00:14:40.120 they they

00:14:41.120 my family really loved me

00:14:43.120 that's why

00:14:44.120 they decided

00:14:45.120 that they weren't

00:14:46.120 going to kill me

00:14:47.120 so

00:14:48.120 imagine the psychology

00:14:50.120 involved here

00:14:51.120 proof of how

00:14:54.120 kind and loving

00:14:55.120 they are

00:14:56.120 is that him

00:14:57.120 expressing his

00:14:58.120 personal agency

00:14:59.120 and his freedom

00:15:01.120 of conscience

00:15:02.120 caused them to

00:15:04.120 not kill him

00:15:05.120 yeah

00:15:06.120 unbelievable

00:15:07.120 did you face a

00:15:08.120 similar sort of

00:15:09.120 dire circumstance

00:15:10.120 or has your family

00:15:11.120 I don't mean your

00:15:12.120 wife and child

00:15:13.120 but my mother

00:15:14.120 and father family

00:15:15.120 did they say

00:15:16.120 hey son

00:15:17.120 you have freedom

00:15:18.120 or

00:15:19.120 you're out of the home

00:15:20.120 we never want to see

00:15:21.120 you again

00:15:22.120 you're lucky that we

00:15:23.120 don't stone you to death

00:15:25.120 so

00:15:26.120 my story is different

00:15:27.120 a little bit

00:15:28.120 my father

00:15:29.120 he actually

00:15:31.120 taught me to read

00:15:32.120 from a very young age

00:15:34.120 he was like

00:15:36.120 bringing books

00:15:37.120 all the time

00:15:38.120 and

00:15:39.120 teaching me to read

00:15:40.120 them

00:15:41.120 so

00:15:42.120 he was open-minded

00:15:43.120 to when I started

00:15:44.120 talking to him

00:15:45.120 about what I found

00:15:46.120 in Islam

00:15:47.120 or in Christianity

00:15:48.120 he was open-minded

00:15:49.120 my mother

00:15:50.120 she became

00:15:51.120 more religious

00:15:52.120 and

00:15:53.120 she started going

00:15:54.120 to do

00:15:55.120 umrah

00:15:56.120 or

00:15:57.120 some kind of

00:15:58.120 pilgrimage

00:15:59.120 to Mecca

00:16:00.120 every year

00:16:01.120 because she's

00:16:02.120 trying to

00:16:03.120 compensate

00:16:04.120 for the fact

00:16:05.120 that I

00:16:06.120 converted

00:16:07.120 I left Islam

00:16:08.120 but I was the

00:16:09.120 eldest among

00:16:10.120 my siblings

00:16:11.120 so within

00:16:12.120 my direct

00:16:13.120 family

00:16:14.120 I was not

00:16:15.120 threatened

00:16:16.120 by them

00:16:17.120 except my brother

00:16:18.120 my younger brother

00:16:19.120 at one point

00:16:20.120 he became

00:16:21.120 very radical

00:16:22.120 and he threatened

00:16:24.120 he told me

00:16:25.120 if you come to Jordan

00:16:26.120 he was going

00:16:27.120 to behead you

00:16:28.120 so that was

00:16:29.120 that was

00:16:30.120 of course

00:16:31.120 now he changed

00:16:32.120 thank God

00:16:33.120 and I was able

00:16:34.120 to go to Jordan

00:16:35.120 and meet with him

00:16:36.120 but of course

00:16:38.120 whenever I go to Jordan

00:16:40.120 Dr. Gad

00:16:41.120 I had always

00:16:43.120 to

00:16:44.120 avoid

00:16:45.120 seeing anyone

00:16:47.120 who might feel

00:16:48.120 the

00:16:50.120 urge to

00:16:52.120 obey Allah

00:16:53.120 obey Islam

00:16:54.120 right

00:16:55.120 excuse me

00:16:57.120 for interrupting you

00:16:58.120 but now

00:16:59.120 you're getting

00:17:00.120 a bigger platform

00:17:01.120 potentially

00:17:02.120 it doesn't

00:17:03.120 take much

00:17:04.120 for people

00:17:05.120 to recognize

00:17:06.120 you

00:17:07.120 you don't have to be

00:17:08.120 Lionel Messi

00:17:09.120 for people to recognize

00:17:10.120 you

00:17:11.120 so do not worry

00:17:12.120 never mind the people

00:17:13.120 who know you

00:17:14.120 and might

00:17:15.120 have a calling

00:17:16.120 from Allah

00:17:17.120 to kill you

00:17:18.120 but what about

00:17:19.120 the random person

00:17:20.120 on the street

00:17:21.120 who goes

00:17:22.120 he's the one

00:17:23.120 from Jordan

00:17:24.120 who

00:17:25.120 do you worry

00:17:26.120 about that

00:17:27.120 or not

00:17:28.120 I'm in the United States

00:17:29.120 today

00:17:30.120 and people might find

00:17:31.120 this strange

00:17:32.120 people who don't live here

00:17:33.120 but actually

00:17:34.120 yes I worry

00:17:35.120 all the time

00:17:36.120 I don't

00:17:37.120 I've never said this before

00:17:39.120 but

00:17:40.120 I have an anxiety

00:17:41.120 and sometimes

00:17:42.120 at night

00:17:43.120 I can't just go to bed

00:17:44.120 because I want to make sure

00:17:46.120 I keep looking at the camera

00:17:47.120 that's no one is here to

00:17:49.120 do something

00:17:50.120 whenever I go to the

00:17:53.120 Arabic

00:17:54.120 grocery store

00:17:55.120 because you know

00:17:56.120 we

00:17:57.120 who come from the Middle East

00:17:59.120 we love

00:18:00.120 certain kind of food

00:18:01.120 so you can't buy it

00:18:02.120 except from

00:18:03.120 the Arab store

00:18:04.120 I always try to

00:18:06.120 wear a cap

00:18:08.120 or

00:18:09.120 sunglasses

00:18:10.120 just to make sure

00:18:11.120 that no one

00:18:12.120 recognizes me

00:18:13.120 but

00:18:14.120 it's

00:18:15.120 it's very sad

00:18:16.120 because that's what

00:18:17.120 I'm trying to change actually

00:18:18.120 I'm not here

00:18:19.120 only to warn the West

00:18:20.120 or to do something

00:18:21.120 you have been doing

00:18:22.120 for decades

00:18:23.120 I'm also trying to help

00:18:25.120 Muslims

00:18:26.120 to

00:18:28.120 desanctify

00:18:30.120 these commands

00:18:32.120 to

00:18:33.120 punish those

00:18:34.120 who leave

00:18:35.120 and fortunately

00:18:36.120 the West

00:18:37.120 is not helping

00:18:38.120 the West

00:18:39.120 by

00:18:40.120 insisting that

00:18:41.120 Islam is a religion

00:18:42.120 of peace

00:18:43.120 you know

00:18:44.120 that Jihadists

00:18:45.120 they have nothing to do

00:18:46.120 in Islam

00:18:47.120 they are just like

00:18:48.120 you know

00:18:49.120 French interpretation

00:18:50.120 they are not

00:18:51.120 pushing Muslims

00:18:52.120 to

00:18:53.120 read

00:18:54.120 or to

00:18:55.120 reconsider

00:18:56.120 their scripture

00:18:57.120 because

00:18:58.120 why would they

00:18:59.120 if the

00:19:00.120 infidel West

00:19:01.120 is telling us

00:19:02.120 yes

00:19:03.120 Islam is perfect

00:19:04.120 it's great

00:19:05.120 you have nothing to do

00:19:06.120 with ISIS

00:19:07.120 and Hamas

00:19:08.120 why would they

00:19:09.120 reconsider

00:19:10.120 right?

00:19:11.120 this is part of what

00:19:12.120 I'm trying to do

00:19:13.120 is to help Muslims

00:19:14.120 like no

00:19:15.120 you have to take a look

00:19:16.120 at what's going on here

00:19:17.120 and

00:19:19.120 what I'm telling you

00:19:20.120 is the truth

00:19:21.120 your religion

00:19:22.120 is the reason

00:19:23.120 why

00:19:24.120 our region

00:19:25.120 is

00:19:26.120 shithole

00:19:27.120 I'm sorry

00:19:28.120 and

00:19:30.120 you

00:19:31.120 throw yourself

00:19:32.120 in the Mediterranean

00:19:33.120 hoping to reach

00:19:34.120 the shores

00:19:35.120 of freedom

00:19:36.120 in Europe

00:19:37.120 and

00:19:38.120 the moment

00:19:39.120 your foot

00:19:40.120 touches

00:19:41.120 the other

00:19:42.120 side

00:19:43.120 you start calling

00:19:44.120 them to Islam

00:19:45.120 and you want to

00:19:46.120 apply Sharia law

00:19:47.120 it's like

00:19:48.120 what's going on?

00:19:49.120 so

00:19:50.120 what

00:19:51.120 what do you think

00:19:52.120 about the possibility

00:19:53.120 and

00:19:54.120 well

00:19:55.120 rather than ask you

00:19:56.120 the question

00:19:57.120 I'll give you

00:19:58.120 my answer

00:19:59.120 to my question

00:20:00.120 and then you tell me

00:20:01.120 if you agree with it

00:20:02.120 or not

00:20:03.120 many people

00:20:04.120 have

00:20:05.120 through the years

00:20:06.120 have said to me

00:20:07.120 oh but you know

00:20:08.120 there could be

00:20:09.120 a reformation

00:20:10.120 of Islam

00:20:11.120 just like there has been

00:20:12.120 a reformation

00:20:13.120 in other religions

00:20:14.120 there is a way

00:20:15.120 for people

00:20:16.120 to no longer

00:20:17.120 interpret

00:20:18.120 the endless

00:20:19.120 problematic passages

00:20:20.120 in the Quran

00:20:21.120 and the Hadith

00:20:22.120 and the Sirah

00:20:23.120 as problematic

00:20:24.120 and so on

00:20:25.120 and I always tell them

00:20:27.120 that no

00:20:28.120 canonically

00:20:29.120 doctrinally

00:20:30.120 and

00:20:31.120 you're the

00:20:32.120 theological

00:20:33.120 expert

00:20:34.120 there is no

00:20:35.120 way

00:20:36.120 for the light

00:20:37.120 of reformation

00:20:38.120 to alter

00:20:39.120 Islam

00:20:40.120 because you begin

00:20:41.120 with the premise

00:20:42.120 that this is the

00:20:43.120 final

00:20:44.120 inerrant

00:20:45.120 word of God

00:20:46.120 that is perfect

00:20:47.120 so it's not as though

00:20:49.120 over the past

00:20:50.120 1400 years

00:20:51.120 no Islamic thinkers

00:20:53.120 have never thought

00:20:54.120 about reformation

00:20:55.120 and you're the first

00:20:56.120 to come along

00:20:57.120 to say

00:20:58.120 oh let's reform

00:20:59.120 let's do this new thing

00:21:00.120 so number one

00:21:01.120 before I cede the floor

00:21:02.120 I cede the floor to you

00:21:03.120 number one

00:21:04.120 I think reformation

00:21:05.120 is a lost

00:21:06.120 project

00:21:07.120 number two

00:21:09.120 if I concede

00:21:10.120 that there is

00:21:11.120 a way for there

00:21:12.120 to be a reformation

00:21:13.120 using the

00:21:15.120 canons of Islam

00:21:16.120 here is my proposal

00:21:17.120 and you tell me

00:21:18.120 if that's possible

00:21:19.120 so we know that

00:21:20.120 in Islam

00:21:21.120 there is abrogation

00:21:22.120 that if

00:21:23.120 if in the

00:21:24.120 if in an earlier part

00:21:25.120 I said kill kill

00:21:26.120 or I said peace

00:21:27.120 peace peace

00:21:28.120 in the later part

00:21:29.120 I said kill kill kill

00:21:30.120 kill kill kill

00:21:31.120 therefore they're contradictory

00:21:32.120 the later verse abrogates

00:21:34.120 nullifies the earlier verse

00:21:36.120 because Allah

00:21:37.120 can change his mind

00:21:38.120 right yeah

00:21:39.120 well the only way

00:21:40.120 you could have reformation

00:21:42.120 although I think

00:21:43.120 it's impossible

00:21:44.120 is to come up

00:21:45.120 with a new magic wand

00:21:46.120 a new supra abrogation

00:21:49.120 that abrogates

00:21:50.120 all of the earlier nonsense

00:21:52.120 so let's get some

00:21:53.120 al-azhar imam

00:21:55.120 to come up with this

00:21:57.120 in which case

00:21:58.120 we nullify

00:21:59.120 all of the craziness

00:22:00.120 and then we could

00:22:01.120 quote reform Islam

00:22:03.120 what do you think about

00:22:04.120 everything that I just said

00:22:05.120 well I agree with you

00:22:08.120 but I also

00:22:09.120 want to say that

00:22:10.120 even if we got

00:22:12.120 that magic wand

00:22:13.120 and al-azhar

00:22:14.120 goes with you

00:22:15.120 it's not going to work

00:22:16.120 I'll tell you why

00:22:17.120 okay

00:22:18.120 because

00:22:20.120 there's this

00:22:21.120 misunderstanding

00:22:22.120 like misconception

00:22:23.120 like

00:22:24.120 there was

00:22:25.120 reformation in Christianity

00:22:26.120 the protestant reformation

00:22:28.120 with Martin Luther

00:22:29.120 and John Calvin

00:22:30.120 there was

00:22:31.120 Judaism

00:22:32.120 so probably Islam

00:22:33.120 could follow the same trajectory

00:22:34.120 and we just reform it

00:22:35.120 right

00:22:36.120 the problem is

00:22:37.120 even if we do that

00:22:38.120 the reformation

00:22:39.120 you just described

00:22:40.120 we have a bigger problem

00:22:41.120 and that is

00:22:42.120 Muhammad

00:22:43.120 Muhammad

00:22:44.120 is the ultimate

00:22:45.120 interpretation

00:22:46.120 in Islam

00:22:47.120 it doesn't really matter

00:22:48.120 what this verse means

00:22:50.120 or what this

00:22:51.120 hadith says

00:22:53.120 it's like

00:22:54.120 how Muhammad

00:22:55.120 lived

00:22:56.120 what did Muhammad

00:22:57.120 say

00:22:58.120 that is the

00:22:59.120 ultimate interpretation

00:23:00.120 of Islam

00:23:01.120 so in order to

00:23:02.120 reform Islam

00:23:03.120 you need to

00:23:04.120 invent Muhammad

00:23:05.120 reinvent Muhammad

00:23:06.120 again

00:23:07.120 you need this

00:23:08.120 the story to be

00:23:09.120 written again

00:23:10.120 probably we could

00:23:11.120 infuse the story

00:23:12.120 with elements

00:23:13.120 from

00:23:14.120 Jesus' story

00:23:15.120 it's like you know

00:23:16.120 he said

00:23:17.120 nice kind things

00:23:18.120 there's no

00:23:20.120 other way

00:23:21.120 because the majority

00:23:22.120 of Muslims

00:23:24.120 and this is not something

00:23:25.120 I'm making up

00:23:26.120 this is like reality

00:23:27.120 the majority of Muslims

00:23:28.120 never ever in their life

00:23:29.120 read

00:23:30.120 al-Qurtubi

00:23:31.120 al-Tabari

00:23:32.120 ibn Kathir

00:23:33.120 the interpretations

00:23:34.120 of the Quran

00:23:35.120 they never did

00:23:36.120 but

00:23:37.120 their ideal

00:23:38.120 is Muhammad

00:23:40.120 and this is what I call

00:23:41.120 the ceiling of morality

00:23:44.120 in Islam

00:23:45.120 if your ideal

00:23:47.120 ideal

00:23:48.120 if the perfect person

00:23:49.120 in your imagination

00:23:50.120 is

00:23:51.120 this person

00:23:53.120 and this person

00:23:54.120 married

00:23:55.120 a young

00:23:56.120 child

00:23:57.120 then

00:23:58.120 you

00:23:59.120 cannot

00:24:00.120 do

00:24:01.120 something

00:24:02.120 better than

00:24:03.120 what he did

00:24:04.120 because

00:24:05.120 he's the ceiling

00:24:06.120 it's like

00:24:07.120 you can't

00:24:08.120 you can't

00:24:09.120 it's like

00:24:10.120 he's 100%

00:24:11.120 the perfection

00:24:12.120 of morality

00:24:13.120 if Allah hates

00:24:14.120 the Jews

00:24:15.120 and I tell Muslims

00:24:17.120 love the Jews

00:24:18.120 they will be like

00:24:20.120 and this is actually

00:24:21.120 what my uncle told me

00:24:22.120 once I was arguing with him

00:24:23.120 and I told him

00:24:24.120 you know

00:24:25.120 Jesus said

00:24:26.120 love your enemies

00:24:27.120 and regardless of how

00:24:28.120 we would read that

00:24:29.120 but still

00:24:30.120 I just told him that

00:24:31.120 and he said

00:24:32.120 this is ridiculous

00:24:33.120 it's like

00:24:34.120 if Allah

00:24:35.120 hates

00:24:36.120 you want me to love

00:24:37.120 it's like

00:24:38.120 what are you talking about

00:24:39.120 it's like

00:24:40.120 I cannot

00:24:41.120 surpass that ceiling

00:24:42.120 so

00:24:43.120 that's the problem

00:24:44.120 as Muhammad

00:24:45.120 sets the roof

00:24:48.120 for

00:24:49.120 what is considered

00:24:50.120 to be moral

00:24:51.120 then

00:24:52.120 we have a problem

00:24:53.120 because

00:24:54.120 the definition of good

00:24:56.120 the definition of peace

00:24:57.120 the definition of justice

00:24:59.120 all these words

00:25:00.120 they mean different things

00:25:01.120 in Islam

00:25:02.120 than

00:25:03.120 what it

00:25:04.120 they mean in

00:25:05.120 in the West

00:25:06.120 in the West

00:25:07.120 peace

00:25:08.120 it's like you have

00:25:09.120 reconciliation

00:25:10.120 in

00:25:11.120 in Islam

00:25:12.120 peace

00:25:13.120 it doesn't mean that at all

00:25:14.120 it means submission

00:25:15.120 it's like

00:25:16.120 you want peace Israel

00:25:17.120 okay submit to us

00:25:19.120 and that's what

00:25:20.120 I try to explain in the book

00:25:22.120 that

00:25:23.120 the threat of Islam in the West

00:25:25.120 is not

00:25:26.120 morality police on the streets

00:25:28.120 or public beheading

00:25:30.120 that is ridiculous

00:25:31.120 it's like

00:25:32.120 no nothing of that

00:25:33.120 the problem is

00:25:34.120 and how the society

00:25:36.120 will function

00:25:38.120 with

00:25:39.120 a growing number of Muslims

00:25:41.120 who will

00:25:42.120 who are acting as vessels

00:25:43.120 of

00:25:44.120 an ethical framework

00:25:45.120 that

00:25:46.120 they are

00:25:47.120 importing with them

00:25:48.120 when they move

00:25:49.120 to a certain country

00:25:50.120 how is that

00:25:52.120 framework

00:25:53.120 is going to shape

00:25:54.120 your society

00:25:55.120 it's going to affect

00:25:56.120 your rights

00:25:57.120 it's going to affect

00:25:58.120 your

00:25:59.120 justice system

00:26:00.120 it's going to affect

00:26:01.120 everything

00:26:02.120 and

00:26:03.120 it's a slow

00:26:04.120 um

00:26:05.120 it's like

00:26:06.120 sometimes

00:26:07.120 you cannot even notice it

00:26:08.120 um

00:26:09.120 but of course

00:26:10.120 smart people

00:26:11.120 like you doctor

00:26:12.120 um

00:26:13.120 you have been warning

00:26:14.120 for 20-30 years

00:26:16.120 because

00:26:17.120 you were able to see that

00:26:18.120 but

00:26:19.120 many people

00:26:20.120 they

00:26:21.120 can't

00:26:22.120 for example

00:26:23.120 today I was attending a lecture

00:26:24.120 on

00:26:25.120 Western civilization

00:26:26.120 and the professor

00:26:27.120 um

00:26:28.120 she was talking about

00:26:29.120 the invaders of Europe

00:26:30.120 Muslims

00:26:32.120 uh

00:26:33.120 the Vikings

00:26:34.120 etc

00:26:35.120 she only mentioned

00:26:37.120 five things about

00:26:38.120 Muslims

00:26:40.120 Muslims

00:26:41.120 um

00:26:42.120 Christians and Jews

00:26:43.120 lived peacefully

00:26:44.120 under Islam in Spain

00:26:45.120 Muslims

00:26:46.120 built

00:26:47.120 schools

00:26:48.120 in

00:26:49.120 southern Africa

00:26:50.120 um

00:26:52.120 Islam

00:26:53.120 spread

00:26:54.120 through

00:26:55.120 through trade

00:26:56.120 it's like

00:26:57.120 she

00:26:58.120 didn't mention anything

00:26:59.120 well

00:27:00.120 other than that

00:27:01.120 so I had it

00:27:02.120 I had a

00:27:03.120 guest on my show

00:27:04.120 many years ago

00:27:05.120 and actually let me see

00:27:06.120 if I can pull out

00:27:07.120 hold on a second

00:27:09.120 you mentioned

00:27:10.120 lived in peace

00:27:11.120 under

00:27:12.120 Islam

00:27:13.120 let me read it

00:27:14.120 for you

00:27:15.120 the myth

00:27:16.120 the myth

00:27:17.120 of the Andalusian

00:27:18.120 paradise

00:27:19.120 Muslims

00:27:20.120 Christians

00:27:21.120 and Jews

00:27:22.120 under Islamic rule

00:27:23.120 in medieval Spain

00:27:24.120 it's by Dario Fernandez

00:27:26.120 Moreira

00:27:27.120 you should go and listen to our chat

00:27:28.120 this was probably ten years ago

00:27:30.120 this is one of the things

00:27:31.120 that pisses me off the most

00:27:32.120 when

00:27:33.120 right away

00:27:34.120 to demonstrate how beautiful

00:27:35.120 Islam is

00:27:36.120 you go about

00:27:37.120 Al-Andalusia

00:27:38.120 the Jews were walking around

00:27:39.120 holding hands

00:27:40.120 and

00:27:41.120 they were singing

00:27:42.120 John Lennon

00:27:43.120 imagine

00:27:44.120 first of all

00:27:45.120 that's not true

00:27:46.120 right

00:27:47.120 as this book

00:27:48.120 this is by a historian

00:27:49.120 okay

00:27:50.120 it's absolutely not true

00:27:52.120 but again

00:27:53.120 tolerance

00:27:54.120 as you know

00:27:55.120 I'm saying this for the audience

00:27:57.120 to live as a dimmi

00:27:59.120 under Islam

00:28:01.120 is considered

00:28:02.120 to be compassionate

00:28:04.120 and tolerant

00:28:05.120 to those who are not Muslim

00:28:07.120 look how kind

00:28:08.120 and loving we are

00:28:10.120 you just have to pay

00:28:11.120 a small tax

00:28:12.120 jizya

00:28:13.120 we'll protect you

00:28:14.120 you don't even have to serve

00:28:15.120 in the military

00:28:16.120 we'll take care of you

00:28:17.120 now

00:28:18.120 God forbid

00:28:19.120 should we ever lose

00:28:20.120 our tolerance for you

00:28:21.120 then you have to put on

00:28:23.120 really good running shoes

00:28:24.120 and run really fast

00:28:25.120 as I did in 1975

00:28:27.120 in Lebanon

00:28:28.120 but in 1974

00:28:29.120 I lived in Lebanon

00:28:30.120 and everything was good

00:28:31.120 and in 1970

00:28:32.120 it was all good

00:28:33.120 but not really

00:28:34.120 right

00:28:35.120 because everybody

00:28:36.120 right

00:28:37.120 so the Western mind

00:28:38.120 is unable

00:28:39.120 to understand

00:28:40.120 the very unique

00:28:42.120 look

00:28:43.120 all bigotry is bad

00:28:44.120 and it's not as though

00:28:45.120 Islam

00:28:46.120 has a monopoly

00:28:47.120 over hate

00:28:48.120 right

00:28:49.120 there are

00:28:50.120 I mean

00:28:51.120 world history

00:28:52.120 is replete

00:28:53.120 with nothing but hate

00:28:54.120 but there is something

00:28:56.120 that is uniquely insidious

00:28:58.120 about Islamic hate

00:29:00.120 that the Western mind

00:29:02.120 can simply not comprehend

00:29:04.120 I know you're trying

00:29:06.120 your best to do so

00:29:07.120 do you think

00:29:08.120 that you've been successful

00:29:09.120 so far

00:29:10.120 or is it la la la

00:29:11.120 I don't want to hear it

00:29:13.120 actually

00:29:16.120 yeah

00:29:17.120 I'm being called bigot

00:29:19.120 hateful

00:29:20.120 Islamophobe

00:29:21.120 and

00:29:22.120 the majority

00:29:23.120 of people

00:29:24.120 they're not

00:29:25.120 listening to me

00:29:26.120 sometimes it feels like

00:29:27.120 I'm talking in an echo chamber

00:29:28.120 like okay

00:29:29.120 people who only agree

00:29:30.120 with me

00:29:31.120 they listen to me

00:29:32.120 and that really pisses me off

00:29:33.120 because

00:29:34.120 and I don't want

00:29:35.120 my followers

00:29:36.120 to buy my book

00:29:37.120 but

00:29:38.120 it's like

00:29:39.120 who am I going

00:29:40.120 to sell it to

00:29:41.120 it's like my followers

00:29:42.120 okay

00:29:43.120 I want the other side

00:29:44.120 to buy it

00:29:45.120 because

00:29:46.120 it's like

00:29:47.120 sometimes you listen to me

00:29:48.120 I come off as aggressive

00:29:49.120 but actually in the book

00:29:50.120 I come as

00:29:51.120 really moderate

00:29:52.120 because

00:29:53.120 I'm doing analysis

00:29:54.120 I'm talking about

00:29:55.120 that

00:29:56.120 you mentioned

00:29:57.120 Islam doesn't have

00:29:58.120 monopoly on hate

00:29:59.120 absolutely

00:30:00.120 but the difference between

00:30:01.120 a Christian who hates

00:30:04.120 or a Jew who hates

00:30:05.120 and a Muslim who hates

00:30:06.120 is that

00:30:07.120 when the Christian does it

00:30:08.120 or the Jew does it

00:30:10.120 it's against their faith

00:30:11.120 in Islam

00:30:12.120 it's because of their faith

00:30:15.120 so this sanctification of hatred

00:30:17.120 is the problem

00:30:18.120 because it became sacred

00:30:20.120 so that is the difference

00:30:23.120 I don't want anyone

00:30:26.120 and I always say this

00:30:27.120 I don't want anyone

00:30:28.120 to use my work

00:30:29.120 to hate Muslims

00:30:30.120 I don't want to act out of hatred at all

00:30:34.120 because if we act out of hatred

00:30:37.120 we are cursing ourselves

00:30:41.120 we will destroy

00:30:42.120 whatever we are trying to build

00:30:44.120 we must be rooted in truth and love

00:30:47.120 but not love alone

00:30:49.120 because love alone

00:30:50.120 is what you are trying to attack

00:30:52.120 in your upcoming book

00:30:55.120 because it is

00:30:56.120 it is suicidal

00:30:57.120 to love alone

00:30:58.120 you have to be rooted also in truth

00:31:00.120 you have to tell the truth

00:31:02.120 and the truth

00:31:03.120 for example

00:31:04.120 since October 7th until today

00:31:06.120 we have seen what happened in the West

00:31:08.120 it's shocking

00:31:11.120 we need to tell people the truth

00:31:13.120 which you just mentioned about Andalusia

00:31:16.120 do you know that

00:31:17.120 Tel Aviv was built in 1909

00:31:19.120 right?

00:31:20.120 there was no

00:31:22.120 no existence

00:31:23.120 it's like

00:31:24.120 why the Jews were able to come to the land

00:31:27.120 build cities

00:31:28.120 projects

00:31:29.120 institutions

00:31:30.120 and there was nothing at all at the beginning

00:31:34.120 they tried to say

00:31:35.120 oh

00:31:36.120 it's because there was no Zionism

00:31:38.120 at the time

00:31:39.120 no

00:31:40.120 it's because the caliphate

00:31:41.120 was in place

00:31:42.120 and as long as the caliphate was in place

00:31:45.120 then the Jews are coming under the umbrella of Islam

00:31:49.120 but once the caliphate fell in 1924

00:31:52.120 suddenly

00:31:54.120 the Jews became

00:31:56.120 they wanted sovereignty

00:31:57.120 just like Lebanon

00:31:58.120 Syria

00:31:59.120 Jordan

00:32:00.120 like

00:32:01.120 these neighboring countries

00:32:02.120 the

00:32:03.120 the introduction of the

00:32:04.120 concept of the nation state

00:32:07.120 oh the Jews

00:32:08.120 sovereignty

00:32:09.120 oh no

00:32:10.120 so at that point

00:32:11.120 there was a mood shift

00:32:13.120 toward the Jews

00:32:14.120 so

00:32:15.120 if we

00:32:16.120 don't tell the truth

00:32:17.120 if we only just

00:32:18.120 we want to

00:32:19.120 we want to use love

00:32:20.120 and especially

00:32:21.120 toward Muslims

00:32:22.120 because you know

00:32:23.120 there are non-Christians

00:32:24.120 non-majority

00:32:25.120 the minority

00:32:26.120 brown people

00:32:27.120 uh oppressed

00:32:28.120 then

00:32:29.120 uh

00:32:30.120 we

00:32:31.120 we will be suicidal

00:32:32.120 and that's what's happening

00:32:33.120 in

00:32:34.120 in Europe

00:32:35.120 and that's what is beginning to happen

00:32:36.120 in America

00:32:37.120 so

00:32:38.120 um

00:32:39.120 have you

00:32:40.120 have you been using

00:32:42.120 your

00:32:43.120 uh

00:32:44.120 work

00:32:45.120 and act

00:32:46.120 I mean I'm gonna call it activism

00:32:47.120 activism sounds

00:32:48.120 nefarious

00:32:49.120 your

00:32:50.120 your attempts to engage

00:32:51.120 people of the Islamic faith

00:32:53.120 have you done so using

00:32:55.120 Arabic

00:32:57.120 mediums

00:32:58.120 in order to

00:32:59.120 because you mentioned before

00:33:00.120 well I don't want my followers

00:33:01.120 to read my book

00:33:02.120 they're already convinced

00:33:03.120 I want the other side

00:33:04.120 so of course

00:33:05.120 nothing is a bigger barrier

00:33:06.120 than just language

00:33:07.120 right

00:33:08.120 so

00:33:09.120 and before you answer

00:33:10.120 uh

00:33:11.120 and if you don't know this gentleman

00:33:12.120 you should

00:33:13.120 but I'm sure you do

00:33:14.120 do you know Hamid

00:33:15.120 Abdul Samad

00:33:16.120 sure

00:33:17.120 okay

00:33:18.120 well I absolutely love this guy

00:33:19.120 I mean

00:33:20.120 not

00:33:21.120 similar story to yours

00:33:22.120 grew up in Egypt

00:33:23.120 in Egypt

00:33:24.120 his father is a

00:33:25.120 hardcore

00:33:26.120 imam

00:33:27.120 he leaves Islam

00:33:28.120 moves to Germany

00:33:29.120 now

00:33:30.120 the reason I'm mentioning him

00:33:31.120 is because he has

00:33:33.120 a show

00:33:34.120 I don't know if he still has it

00:33:35.120 called Sandu'ul Islam

00:33:36.120 right

00:33:37.120 the box of Islam

00:33:38.120 and

00:33:39.120 he had come to

00:33:40.120 Montreal

00:33:41.120 several years ago

00:33:43.120 and he had said to me

00:33:44.120 hey

00:33:45.120 do you think we can do

00:33:46.120 the show

00:33:47.120 in Arabic

00:33:48.120 you know

00:33:49.120 so that you know

00:33:50.120 people can hear you

00:33:51.120 in Arabic

00:33:52.120 I said sure

00:33:53.120 let's do it

00:33:54.120 and

00:33:55.120 the positive

00:33:56.120 reaction

00:33:57.120 I got

00:33:58.120 from tons of people

00:33:59.120 because suddenly

00:34:00.120 now I wasn't

00:34:01.120 this kind of

00:34:02.120 diabolical Jew

00:34:03.120 right

00:34:04.120 I was a guy who spoke

00:34:05.120 the same language

00:34:06.120 I mean yes

00:34:07.120 I suffer from the terminal disease

00:34:08.120 called being Jewish

00:34:09.120 but I'm like

00:34:10.120 not the other Jews

00:34:11.120 that are really bad

00:34:12.120 I speak Arabic

00:34:13.120 so

00:34:14.120 do you do that

00:34:15.120 or is it all in English

00:34:16.120 now

00:34:17.120 no actually

00:34:18.120 I started doing it

00:34:19.120 in English

00:34:20.120 just one year ago

00:34:21.120 to the day

00:34:22.120 to the day

00:34:23.120 it's like I started

00:34:24.120 writing on X

00:34:25.120 in October 2024

00:34:27.120 believe it or not

00:34:28.120 okay

00:34:29.120 one year before that

00:34:30.120 I was

00:34:31.120 vlogging in Arabic

00:34:33.120 and

00:34:34.120 I tried to start a show

00:34:36.120 in Arabic

00:34:37.120 on YouTube

00:34:39.120 I only did like

00:34:40.120 seven episodes

00:34:41.120 or eight episodes

00:34:42.120 of it

00:34:43.120 but I appeared with

00:34:44.120 Brother Rashid

00:34:45.120 for example

00:34:46.120 I did some

00:34:47.120 podcasts

00:34:48.120 in Arabic

00:34:49.120 but here's

00:34:50.120 here's the thing

00:34:51.120 I believe that

00:34:53.120 there are

00:34:54.120 many people

00:34:55.120 who are speaking

00:34:56.120 to the Arab world

00:34:58.120 many people

00:34:59.120 who left Islam

00:35:01.120 and now

00:35:02.120 they have big presence

00:35:03.120 on social media

00:35:04.120 and they're doing it

00:35:06.120 but I don't see a lot of people

00:35:08.120 speaking to the West

00:35:10.120 and there is

00:35:11.120 from the Middle East

00:35:12.120 from the Middle East

00:35:13.120 because it becomes a lot harder

00:35:14.120 to delegitimize you

00:35:16.120 you know

00:35:17.120 because you're born there

00:35:19.120 because you come from

00:35:20.120 a Muslim background

00:35:21.120 because you speak

00:35:22.120 fluent Arabic

00:35:23.120 so it's going to take

00:35:25.120 a lot more effort

00:35:26.120 before we can

00:35:27.120 delegitimize

00:35:28.120 seven

00:35:29.120 seven thousand dollars

00:35:30.120 they

00:35:31.120 exactly

00:35:32.120 they have to say

00:35:33.120 seven thousand dollars

00:35:34.120 then after that

00:35:35.120 when you establish

00:35:36.120 a legitimate argument

00:35:38.120 then

00:35:39.120 they are lost

00:35:40.120 they don't know what to do

00:35:41.120 so that's why

00:35:42.120 I made the decision

00:35:43.120 to speak in English

00:35:44.120 in English

00:35:45.120 and to write in English

00:35:46.120 but get this

00:35:47.120 after my book

00:35:48.120 came out

00:35:49.120 after I appeared

00:35:50.120 with Radha Rashid

00:35:51.120 actually

00:35:52.120 my father called me

00:35:54.120 and he said

00:35:55.120 I'm 65 years old

00:35:57.120 and most of what

00:35:59.120 you said on the show

00:36:00.120 I have never heard of it

00:36:01.120 and I told you

00:36:03.120 and I told you

00:36:04.120 that my father

00:36:05.120 is like a reader

00:36:06.120 he reads a lot of books

00:36:07.120 all of his life

00:36:08.120 there is no content

00:36:09.120 in Arabic

00:36:10.120 to tell the truth

00:36:11.120 about

00:36:12.120 just only one chapter

00:36:14.120 in my book

00:36:15.120 the Islamic war on Israel

00:36:16.120 where I dissect

00:36:17.120 the whole thing

00:36:19.120 from a different perspective

00:36:20.120 I don't believe

00:36:21.120 I have seen it

00:36:22.120 anywhere else

00:36:23.120 my father told me

00:36:26.120 I have never heard of it

00:36:27.120 he's an Arab

00:36:29.120 a Muslim

00:36:30.120 he lives in the Middle East

00:36:31.120 all of his life

00:36:32.120 never heard of

00:36:33.120 the true story

00:36:34.120 my brothers told me

00:36:35.120 that

00:36:36.120 the story I shared

00:36:38.120 or I shared in my book

00:36:40.120 is foreign to them as well

00:36:41.120 it's like

00:36:42.120 who's going to believe you

00:36:44.120 they told me

00:36:45.120 I was like okay

00:36:46.120 but I'm

00:36:47.120 it's like I have the evidence

00:36:48.120 I have the evidence

00:36:49.120 in my book

00:36:50.120 every single thing

00:36:51.120 about

00:36:52.120 how we came

00:36:54.120 to this point

00:36:56.120 where

00:36:57.120 after 78 years

00:37:00.120 Israel is still occupying

00:37:03.120 it's like

00:37:04.120 all the news

00:37:05.120 all the protests

00:37:06.120 on the street

00:37:07.120 what's going on

00:37:08.120 why is this happening

00:37:09.120 it's not only Islam

00:37:11.120 we have the

00:37:12.120 communists

00:37:13.120 the Bolsheviks

00:37:14.120 who

00:37:15.120 also

00:37:16.120 worked together

00:37:17.120 since the beginning

00:37:18.120 to invent

00:37:19.120 Palestine

00:37:20.120 manufacture Palestine

00:37:21.120 which has been used

00:37:22.120 by every different player

00:37:24.120 since

00:37:25.120 Gamal Abdel Nasser

00:37:27.120 King Faisal

00:37:28.120 of Saudi Arabia

00:37:29.120 in the 60s

00:37:30.120 Muslim Brotherhood

00:37:31.120 the Ayatollah regime

00:37:32.120 Hezbollah

00:37:33.120 the Houthis

00:37:34.120 the radical left

00:37:35.120 in the west

00:37:36.120 somebody is riding

00:37:37.120 this donkey

00:37:38.120 I don't call it a horse

00:37:39.120 I call it a donkey

00:37:40.120 and

00:37:41.120 it's

00:37:42.120 it's just so obvious

00:37:43.120 to anyone

00:37:44.120 who wants to see the truth

00:37:45.120 but how is it

00:37:46.120 forgive me for interrupting you

00:37:47.120 how is it

00:37:48.120 so

00:37:50.120 30 years ago

00:37:51.120 we would have said

00:37:52.120 there are barriers

00:37:54.120 to informational entry

00:37:56.120 that could keep your dad

00:37:58.120 frozen

00:37:59.120 in his

00:38:00.120 dark age

00:38:01.120 if I can put it that way

00:38:02.120 but now we have this thing

00:38:04.120 we have this thing

00:38:05.120 called Google

00:38:06.120 we have this thing

00:38:07.120 called the internet

00:38:08.120 we have this thing

00:38:09.120 called YouTube

00:38:10.120 so what could then

00:38:11.120 is it that they don't

00:38:13.120 actively seek out

00:38:14.120 that information

00:38:15.120 because

00:38:16.120 it is available now

00:38:17.120 no

00:38:18.120 the imam cannot

00:38:19.120 or the imam

00:38:20.120 or the dictator

00:38:21.120 cannot control

00:38:22.120 the informational flow

00:38:24.120 so what keeps

00:38:25.120 your dad

00:38:26.120 metaphorically speaking

00:38:27.120 yeah

00:38:28.120 in the dark

00:38:30.120 so first of all

00:38:31.120 you need to know

00:38:32.120 what to look for

00:38:33.120 and if you are convinced

00:38:35.120 that the Jews

00:38:37.120 came to Palestine

00:38:38.120 the state of Palestine

00:38:39.120 back in the 20s

00:38:40.120 as refugees

00:38:42.120 and

00:38:43.120 and they were

00:38:44.120 begging

00:38:45.120 the Palestinian people

00:38:46.120 please

00:38:47.120 welcome us to

00:38:48.120 please give us

00:38:49.120 protection

00:38:50.120 and the Palestinian people

00:38:51.120 opened their doors

00:38:52.120 and they received them

00:38:53.120 and they had

00:38:54.120 a delicious meal

00:38:56.120 then they went to bed

00:38:57.120 and the Jews

00:38:59.120 stabbed them

00:39:00.120 and

00:39:01.120 stole their land

00:39:02.120 if you believe

00:39:03.120 that narrative

00:39:04.120 why would you go

00:39:05.120 and look for

00:39:06.120 a different narrative

00:39:07.120 different versions

00:39:08.120 like okay

00:39:09.120 I know this story

00:39:10.120 that's it

00:39:11.120 it's like

00:39:12.120 and I grew up

00:39:13.120 believing that

00:39:14.120 it's like

00:39:15.120 yeah

00:39:16.120 the Palestinians were so kind

00:39:17.120 to welcome the Jews

00:39:18.120 but the Jews just

00:39:19.120 betrayed them

00:39:20.120 this is number one

00:39:21.120 number two

00:39:22.120 it's like

00:39:23.120 access to information

00:39:24.120 and if you don't speak

00:39:25.120 English

00:39:26.120 if you only speak Arabic

00:39:27.120 Arabic

00:39:28.120 where are you going to find

00:39:29.120 this information

00:39:30.120 that's a good point

00:39:31.120 yes

00:39:32.120 because

00:39:33.120 to be honest

00:39:35.120 brother Rashid

00:39:36.120 with his 20 years

00:39:38.120 show

00:39:39.120 it's like

00:39:40.120 the only

00:39:41.120 place

00:39:42.120 where we

00:39:43.120 I would

00:39:44.120 direct anyone

00:39:45.120 to know the truth

00:39:46.120 about the history

00:39:47.120 of Islam

00:39:48.120 for example

00:39:49.120 it's like

00:39:50.120 if I'm talking to someone

00:39:51.120 for an hour

00:39:52.120 and then I'm done

00:39:53.120 speaking

00:39:54.120 listen I want you to listen

00:39:56.120 to brother Rashid

00:39:57.120 it's like

00:39:58.120 who else

00:39:59.120 you mentioned

00:40:00.120 but of course

00:40:01.120 in the

00:40:02.120 last few years

00:40:04.120 and that's why

00:40:05.120 I said I'm speaking

00:40:06.120 in English now

00:40:07.120 I'm working in English

00:40:08.120 because

00:40:09.120 there was some kind

00:40:10.120 of explosion

00:40:11.120 in the Arab media

00:40:13.120 with TikTok

00:40:14.120 and YouTube

00:40:15.120 and we have now

00:40:16.120 thousands

00:40:17.120 I don't want to exaggerate

00:40:18.120 probably hundreds

00:40:19.120 of good people

00:40:20.120 who left Islam

00:40:22.120 and who are

00:40:23.120 telling the truth

00:40:24.120 and by the way

00:40:26.120 when I was on TikTok

00:40:28.120 if you go through

00:40:29.120 the comments

00:40:30.120 the majority

00:40:31.120 were not actually

00:40:32.120 calling me

00:40:33.120 animal dog

00:40:34.120 son of this

00:40:35.120 son of that

00:40:36.120 no actually

00:40:37.120 they were agreeing

00:40:38.120 with me

00:40:39.120 it's mind blowing

00:40:40.120 and they're

00:40:41.120 they're from the region

00:40:42.120 they're not

00:40:43.120 they're from the region

00:40:44.120 yeah it's like

00:40:45.120 you can't believe

00:40:47.120 the number

00:40:48.120 of people

00:40:49.120 who are

00:40:51.120 this

00:40:52.120 disenchantment

00:40:53.120 Islam

00:40:54.120 it's happening

00:40:55.120 across the region

00:40:57.120 the problem is

00:40:58.120 the West is becoming

00:40:59.120 the new center

00:41:00.120 for Islamic Jihad

00:41:02.120 well this

00:41:03.120 by the way

00:41:04.120 you I'm sure you've seen

00:41:05.120 several of those

00:41:06.120 viral clips

00:41:07.120 where you have

00:41:08.120 these eminent

00:41:10.120 Gulf

00:41:11.120 personalities

00:41:12.120 where they're

00:41:13.120 interviewing them

00:41:14.120 and they're

00:41:15.120 it's almost as if

00:41:16.120 they can't believe

00:41:17.120 what they're saying

00:41:18.120 you're going to teach

00:41:19.120 me about Islam

00:41:20.120 I'm from the Middle East

00:41:22.120 I'm Saudi

00:41:23.120 I'm from

00:41:24.120 United Arab Emirates

00:41:26.120 and I can't

00:41:28.120 stand those extremists

00:41:29.120 but in the West

00:41:30.120 you love and support

00:41:31.120 those extremists

00:41:32.120 the world is upside down

00:41:33.120 they try

00:41:34.120 they try to teach me

00:41:35.120 how to

00:41:36.120 it's like about Islam

00:41:37.120 many of them would

00:41:38.120 come and comment

00:41:39.120 on my posts like

00:41:40.120 you don't know Islam

00:41:41.120 you don't understand Islam

00:41:42.120 and I look up

00:41:43.120 their profile

00:41:44.120 and they are Americans

00:41:45.120 or they are British

00:41:46.120 they're not even Muslims

00:41:47.120 so it's yeah

00:41:48.120 people can believe

00:41:49.120 whatever they want

00:41:51.120 as you always say that

00:41:52.120 people are searching

00:41:53.120 for confirmation

00:41:54.120 of their

00:41:55.120 what they believe

00:41:56.120 to be true

00:41:57.120 but there is a reason

00:41:59.120 why the West

00:42:00.120 is becoming

00:42:01.120 the center

00:42:02.120 of Islam

00:42:03.120 when the United Arab Emirates

00:42:05.120 or Jordan

00:42:06.120 Egypt Saudi Arabia

00:42:07.120 when they say

00:42:08.120 we're going to ban

00:42:09.120 the Muslim Brotherhood

00:42:10.120 they are not only

00:42:12.120 banning the Muslim Brotherhood

00:42:14.120 they are banning

00:42:16.120 the majority

00:42:17.120 of Islam

00:42:18.120 which is political

00:42:19.120 yeah

00:42:20.120 and because

00:42:21.120 they have the power

00:42:22.120 to do so

00:42:23.120 because they are Islamic

00:42:24.120 regimes

00:42:25.120 so they are sending

00:42:26.120 a message

00:42:27.120 to their people

00:42:28.120 you are allowed

00:42:29.120 to practice Islam

00:42:30.120 in this 20%

00:42:31.120 of spiritual practices

00:42:33.120 I'd put it

00:42:34.120 at 10%

00:42:35.120 but okay

00:42:36.120 okay

00:42:37.120 let's say

00:42:38.120 in the West

00:42:39.120 let's say

00:42:40.120 in the US

00:42:41.120 if the Congress

00:42:42.120 today vote

00:42:43.120 ban the Muslim Brotherhood

00:42:44.120 it's not going to change anything

00:42:46.120 absolutely nothing

00:42:47.120 why?

00:42:48.120 because tomorrow morning

00:42:49.120 other people

00:42:52.120 with the same ideology

00:42:53.120 with the same belief system

00:42:54.120 they're going to start

00:42:55.120 a 501c3

00:42:56.120 501c4

00:42:57.120 super PACs

00:42:58.120 and they're just going to

00:42:59.120 it's like

00:43:00.120 business as usual

00:43:01.120 nothing changed

00:43:02.120 because

00:43:03.120 the United States

00:43:04.120 cannot

00:43:05.120 enforce

00:43:06.120 any law

00:43:07.120 because

00:43:08.120 it's not a dictatorship

00:43:09.120 first of all

00:43:10.120 you have

00:43:11.120 law and order

00:43:12.120 which is being

00:43:13.120 exploited

00:43:14.120 and used

00:43:15.120 against

00:43:16.120 the West

00:43:17.120 so

00:43:18.120 it's going to fail

00:43:19.120 that's why

00:43:20.120 I sent a message

00:43:21.120 to Senator Cruz

00:43:22.120 to the Cruz

00:43:23.120 it's like

00:43:24.120 don't bother

00:43:25.120 it's like

00:43:26.120 even if you ban them

00:43:27.120 what's going to change

00:43:28.120 nothing

00:43:29.120 well even

00:43:30.120 I'll add to what you just said

00:43:31.120 you're exactly right

00:43:32.120 but I'll add to what you just said

00:43:33.120 even the banning

00:43:35.120 of Sharia law

00:43:36.120 which okay

00:43:37.120 great

00:43:38.120 it's good to put it on the books

00:43:39.120 to me

00:43:40.120 it's like

00:43:41.120 I don't know if you know

00:43:42.120 the expression

00:43:43.120 right

00:43:44.120 it's

00:43:45.120 they

00:43:46.120 right

00:43:47.120 they feel all good

00:43:48.120 about it

00:43:49.120 right

00:43:50.120 that's it

00:43:51.120 so what

00:43:52.120 all demography

00:43:53.120 is destiny

00:43:54.120 right

00:43:55.120 today we're only 3%

00:43:56.120 no

00:43:57.120 first we begin

00:43:58.120 there's only a few of us

00:43:59.120 we're very very

00:44:00.120 beautiful

00:44:01.120 quiet

00:44:02.120 peaceful community

00:44:03.120 now we become 3%

00:44:04.120 we become a bit more active

00:44:05.120 now we become 8%

00:44:06.120 we warn you about not walking your dog

00:44:09.120 in our neighborhood

00:44:10.120 now we become 20%

00:44:11.120 whatever

00:44:12.120 and then when we become a bit more

00:44:13.120 pancreatic cancer stage 4

00:44:15.120 boom

00:44:16.120 it's over

00:44:17.120 so it doesn't matter

00:44:18.120 if you ban the Muslim Brotherhood

00:44:20.120 or you ban Sharia law

00:44:21.120 it's exact

00:44:22.120 now

00:44:23.120 do you feel that you're getting progress

00:44:25.120 with some of the people

00:44:26.120 whose ear you want to get to

00:44:28.120 or are they still not getting it

00:44:31.120 no

00:44:32.120 I met with a few congressmen

00:44:33.120 I met with a few

00:44:35.120 lawmakers

00:44:36.120 over the past few months

00:44:39.120 they listen

00:44:40.120 many of them agree with me

00:44:42.120 but here's the problem

00:44:44.120 I believe that

00:44:45.120 at the end of the day

00:44:46.120 all of us are human beings

00:44:48.120 and

00:44:49.120 we are behind our own interests

00:44:51.120 most of the time

00:44:52.120 I'm not saying that I met with

00:44:54.120 everyone I met with

00:44:55.120 is like that

00:44:56.120 but

00:44:57.120 to be honest

00:44:58.120 like

00:44:59.120 of course many of them

00:45:01.120 they wouldn't even meet with me

00:45:02.120 they would listen to me

00:45:03.120 for one minute

00:45:04.120 and they would be like

00:45:05.120 yeah yeah yeah send us an email

00:45:06.120 and that's it

00:45:07.120 because they don't want to talk about

00:45:08.120 this uncomfortable subject

00:45:11.120 so

00:45:12.120 I

00:45:13.120 that's why

00:45:14.120 I am starting this organization

00:45:17.120 and this organization

00:45:18.120 is bringing

00:45:19.120 all the

00:45:20.120 Arab voices

00:45:21.120 former Muslims

00:45:22.120 Arab Christians

00:45:24.120 who are experts

00:45:25.120 at the same time

00:45:26.120 I don't care

00:45:27.120 if somebody

00:45:28.120 left Islam

00:45:29.120 that is

00:45:30.120 that doesn't make them expert

00:45:31.120 they have to be

00:45:32.120 to have some expertise

00:45:34.120 in a certain field

00:45:35.120 so

00:45:36.120 this organization

00:45:37.120 is going to

00:45:38.120 be

00:45:39.120 a new think tank

00:45:40.120 in Washington DC

00:45:42.120 where

00:45:43.120 we will try to educate

00:45:44.120 the public

00:45:45.120 and the lawmaker

00:45:46.120 about

00:45:47.120 the threat

00:45:48.120 of

00:45:49.120 as you say

00:45:50.120 the demography change

00:45:51.120 because

00:45:52.120 it's not going to matter

00:45:53.120 even if the public

00:45:54.120 is educated

00:45:55.120 even if the lawmaker

00:45:56.120 are educated

00:45:57.120 as long as

00:45:58.120 you have

00:45:59.120 more numbers

00:46:00.120 I'm pretty sure

00:46:01.120 that you're familiar

00:46:02.120 with Tom

00:46:03.120 with

00:46:04.120 his name

00:46:05.120 Tom Holland

00:46:06.120 oh yeah yeah sure

00:46:07.120 the historian

00:46:08.120 yeah so

00:46:09.120 no no not Tom Holland

00:46:10.120 the historian

00:46:11.120 I'm talking about

00:46:12.120 another author

00:46:13.120 he wrote this

00:46:14.120 book about

00:46:15.120 Islam and slavery

00:46:16.120 I forgot his name

00:46:17.120 anyway

00:46:18.120 he talked about

00:46:19.120 Peter Hammond

00:46:20.120 Peter Hammond

00:46:21.120 yeah thank you

00:46:22.120 in the book

00:46:23.120 I tried to build

00:46:24.120 on

00:46:25.120 Peter Hammond

00:46:26.120 model

00:46:27.120 of

00:46:28.120 that

00:46:29.120 demographic

00:46:30.120 reality

00:46:31.120 in the West

00:46:32.120 it's like

00:46:33.120 we start with 2%

00:46:34.120 there

00:46:35.120 it's like yeah

00:46:36.120 we just want to

00:46:37.120 live

00:46:38.120 a normal life

00:46:39.120 we don't want anything

00:46:40.120 at 5%

00:46:41.120 it's different

00:46:42.120 at 10%

00:46:43.120 it's different

00:46:44.120 I predict that

00:46:45.120 what's going to

00:46:46.120 happen next

00:46:47.120 in Europe

00:46:48.120 is similar to

00:46:49.120 the Gaza

00:46:50.120 Israel scenario

00:46:51.120 the creation

00:46:53.120 of multiple

00:46:54.120 gases

00:46:55.120 is going to take

00:46:56.120 a place

00:46:57.120 and what do I mean

00:46:58.120 by that

00:46:59.120 we have enclaves

00:47:00.120 these enclaves

00:47:01.120 through the process

00:47:02.120 of time

00:47:03.120 they are being

00:47:04.120 accommodated by the

00:47:05.120 governments

00:47:06.120 right

00:47:07.120 it's like they're

00:47:08.120 they're getting

00:47:09.120 everything they want

00:47:10.120 because for example

00:47:11.120 the Labour Party

00:47:12.120 in the UK

00:47:13.120 they depend on

00:47:14.120 the Muslim vote

00:47:15.120 so they are giving

00:47:16.120 them whatever they want

00:47:17.120 even Emmanuel Macron

00:47:18.120 and his party

00:47:19.120 in France

00:47:20.120 who are they going to

00:47:21.120 50,000 votes

00:47:22.120 or 2.8 million

00:47:24.120 Muslim votes

00:47:25.120 they don't care about

00:47:26.120 the Jews anymore

00:47:27.120 they want to remain

00:47:28.120 in power

00:47:29.120 so what's going to happen

00:47:30.120 at one point

00:47:31.120 they will reach

00:47:32.120 a reality that

00:47:33.120 we cannot accommodate

00:47:34.120 more

00:47:35.120 because

00:47:36.120 we have given you

00:47:37.120 everything

00:47:38.120 but now you are

00:47:39.120 demanding things

00:47:40.120 that shake the

00:47:41.120 foundations

00:47:42.120 of our

00:47:43.120 nation

00:47:44.120 at that point

00:47:46.120 a pretext

00:47:47.120 will be

00:47:48.120 manufactured

00:47:49.120 a cause

00:47:50.120 it's like oppression

00:47:51.120 Islamophobia

00:47:52.120 we are being

00:47:54.120 persecuted

00:47:55.120 and

00:47:56.120 calls to bear arms

00:47:58.120 will

00:47:59.120 will be a reality

00:48:00.120 at that point

00:48:01.120 then there will be

00:48:02.120 clashes

00:48:03.120 you call it

00:48:04.120 autocorrect

00:48:05.120 or violent

00:48:06.120 autocorrect

00:48:07.120 that

00:48:08.120 that is going to happen

00:48:09.120 but

00:48:10.120 it's not the end

00:48:11.120 after that

00:48:12.120 there will be calls

00:48:13.120 for separation

00:48:14.120 independence

00:48:15.120 independence

00:48:17.120 and that's where

00:48:18.120 the world

00:48:19.120 will experience

00:48:20.120 the balkanization

00:48:21.120 of Europe

00:48:22.120 this is not fear-mongering

00:48:24.120 this is reality

00:48:25.120 we will end up

00:48:26.120 with

00:48:27.120 10, 20, 30

00:48:28.120 Islamic countries

00:48:29.120 in Europe

00:48:30.120 formed

00:48:31.120 as a result

00:48:32.120 of what's happening

00:48:33.120 now

00:48:34.120 and now

00:48:35.120 when you have

00:48:36.120 an Islamic country

00:48:37.120 on your border

00:48:38.120 it's not going to be

00:48:40.120 peaceful

00:48:41.120 it's going to be

00:48:43.120 something else

00:48:44.120 Samuel Huntington

00:48:46.120 do you remember that?

00:48:47.120 do you know who

00:48:48.120 Samuel Huntington is?

00:48:49.120 yeah sure

00:48:50.120 Crash of Civilization

00:48:51.120 yeah

00:48:52.120 Crash of Civilization

00:48:53.120 yeah

00:48:54.120 it's going to be

00:48:55.120 really scary

00:48:56.120 it's like

00:48:57.120 by talking about it

00:48:58.120 I feel like

00:48:59.120 people are going to

00:49:00.120 look at me and say

00:49:01.120 oh this guy is just

00:49:02.120 all of his fear-mongering

00:49:05.120 it's not

00:49:06.120 it's the pattern

00:49:08.120 how do you think

00:49:09.120 that Christian territory

00:49:11.120 and I'm talking to the audience

00:49:13.120 the Christian territory

00:49:14.120 in the Middle East

00:49:16.120 and North Africa

00:49:17.120 became

00:49:18.120 Islamic

00:49:19.120 it's

00:49:20.120 it was occupied

00:49:21.120 by Islam

00:49:22.120 Islam

00:49:23.120 didn't change

00:49:25.120 the same Islam

00:49:26.120 that occupied

00:49:27.120 the Christian territories

00:49:28.120 in the Middle East

00:49:29.120 and North Africa

00:49:30.120 is the same Islam

00:49:32.120 that is being

00:49:33.120 imported

00:49:34.120 to the West today

00:49:35.120 now

00:49:36.120 does this mean

00:49:38.120 the West

00:49:39.120 should stand against Muslims?

00:49:41.120 absolutely not

00:49:43.120 I say this

00:49:44.120 and this is important

00:49:45.120 98% probably

00:49:47.120 I'm not going to go with

00:49:49.120 different statistics

00:49:51.120 that 18% of Muslims

00:49:53.120 are radicals

00:49:54.120 I'm going to say

00:49:55.120 only 2%

00:49:56.120 of Muslims

00:49:57.120 are radical

00:49:58.120 or what they call

00:49:59.120 Islamists

00:50:00.120 there is no such a thing

00:50:01.120 but let's say Islamists

00:50:02.120 okay

00:50:03.120 only 2%

00:50:05.120 only 2%

00:50:06.120 so 98%

00:50:07.120 of Muslims

00:50:08.120 they don't represent Islam

00:50:09.120 if you keep saying that

00:50:13.120 no

00:50:14.120 the 98%

00:50:15.120 they represent Islam

00:50:16.120 and the 2% don't

00:50:18.120 then what you are doing

00:50:20.120 is that you are protecting

00:50:21.120 the same narratives

00:50:23.120 and sacred scripture

00:50:25.120 that keeps on producing

00:50:26.120 more of the 2%

00:50:28.120 from scrutiny

00:50:30.120 from scrutiny

00:50:31.120 you are protecting that

00:50:32.120 because

00:50:33.120 once you try to touch

00:50:35.120 the Quran

00:50:36.120 for example

00:50:37.120 what they are going to say

00:50:38.120 the 98%

00:50:39.120 they are going to say

00:50:40.120 no no no no

00:50:41.120 this is our Quran

00:50:42.120 we represent Islam

00:50:43.120 don't touch the Quran

00:50:44.120 go deal with the Islamists

00:50:46.120 some other way

00:50:47.120 you go to deal with the Islamists

00:50:49.120 what are you going to do?

00:50:50.120 you are going to come up with

00:50:52.120 all kinds of things like

00:50:54.120 social justice

00:50:56.120 poverty

00:50:57.120 mental illness

00:50:58.120 mental illness

00:50:59.120 it is like

00:51:00.120 you are trying to diagnose that

00:51:01.120 away from

00:51:03.120 that theological factor

00:51:05.120 and that is why

00:51:06.120 you will keep

00:51:07.120 failing

00:51:08.120 because it is not going to work

00:51:10.120 so then

00:51:11.120 look

00:51:12.120 I fully appreciate

00:51:13.120 the message of

00:51:14.120 you know

00:51:15.120 I think both you and I

00:51:16.120 I can

00:51:17.120 certainly speak for you

00:51:19.120 that we don't hate

00:51:20.120 individuals

00:51:21.120 you come from that background

00:51:23.120 I mean I don't come from

00:51:24.120 an Islamic background

00:51:25.120 but I come from the Middle East

00:51:26.120 most of my friends growing up

00:51:27.120 would have been

00:51:28.120 Muslim

00:51:29.120 growing up

00:51:30.120 even in Montreal

00:51:31.120 I played soccer

00:51:32.120 with tons of Muslims

00:51:33.120 all were my friends

00:51:34.120 I've probably met more Muslims

00:51:35.120 than most people

00:51:36.120 will ever meet in their lives

00:51:37.120 so yes

00:51:38.120 granted

00:51:39.120 both of us

00:51:40.120 don't hate individuals

00:51:41.120 but of course

00:51:42.120 we do warn about Islam

00:51:44.120 so then

00:51:45.120 the question becomes

00:51:47.120 there is a

00:51:48.120 practical

00:51:49.120 pragmatic thing

00:51:50.120 which is

00:51:51.120 can Islam

00:51:53.120 coexist

00:51:54.120 in the West

00:51:55.120 the West

00:51:56.120 now of course

00:51:57.120 I think

00:51:58.120 you would agree with me

00:51:59.120 and certainly

00:52:00.120 I'll say it for myself

00:52:01.120 the great majority

00:52:03.120 of the most fundamental

00:52:04.120 tenets of Islam

00:52:05.120 are perfectly

00:52:06.120 incongruent

00:52:07.120 perfectly

00:52:08.120 incompatible

00:52:09.120 with any of the

00:52:10.120 foundational principles

00:52:11.120 of the West

00:52:12.120 so how could we

00:52:13.120 from this side

00:52:14.120 of our mouth

00:52:15.120 keep talking about

00:52:16.120 but we love all Muslims

00:52:17.120 and we don't hate anybody

00:52:19.120 which is true

00:52:20.120 but

00:52:21.120 on the other side

00:52:23.120 of the mouth

00:52:24.120 is that

00:52:25.120 Islam is perfectly

00:52:26.120 incompatible

00:52:27.120 with the West

00:52:28.120 circle that thing

00:52:30.120 for us

00:52:31.120 so

00:52:32.120 in political theory

00:52:33.120 there's John Roll

00:52:34.120 and his concept

00:52:35.120 of

00:52:36.120 the overlapping

00:52:37.120 consensus

00:52:38.120 right

00:52:39.120 it's like

00:52:40.120 we can't believe

00:52:41.120 different things

00:52:42.120 but as long as

00:52:43.120 we agree on

00:52:44.120 the foundationals

00:52:46.120 of coexistence

00:52:47.120 then we can live

00:52:48.120 together

00:52:49.120 now

00:52:50.120 what are these

00:52:51.120 foundational things

00:52:52.120 the fundamental

00:52:53.120 it's like

00:52:54.120 freedom of speech

00:52:55.120 freedom of religion

00:52:56.120 it's like

00:52:57.120 do we agree

00:52:58.120 with

00:52:59.120 Islam

00:53:00.120 on these things

00:53:01.120 like

00:53:02.120 if Islam

00:53:03.120 get hold

00:53:04.120 of the legislative

00:53:05.120 process

00:53:09.120 Allah

00:53:10.120 yeah

00:53:11.120 forget Islam

00:53:12.120 just normal Muslims

00:53:14.120 okay

00:53:15.120 for example

00:53:16.120 the mayor

00:53:17.120 of Dearborn

00:53:18.120 an American

00:53:19.120 white

00:53:20.120 person

00:53:21.120 he just came

00:53:22.120 to the court

00:53:23.120 to

00:53:24.120 you know

00:53:25.120 talk about his

00:53:26.120 concern

00:53:27.120 of naming

00:53:28.120 a street

00:53:29.120 after a

00:53:30.120 jihadist supporter

00:53:31.120 he said

00:53:32.120 I believe this is wrong

00:53:33.120 you know what the mayor

00:53:34.120 told him

00:53:35.120 you're a

00:53:36.120 we can't wait for you

00:53:37.120 to get out

00:53:38.120 get the hell out of the city

00:53:39.120 okay

00:53:40.120 so this mayor

00:53:41.120 if at one point

00:53:42.120 he is able to impose a law

00:53:45.120 or enforce a certain law

00:53:47.120 are they going to

00:53:48.120 enforce

00:53:49.120 punishment for the

00:53:52.120 upper state

00:53:53.120 for example

00:53:54.120 I'm just

00:53:55.120 thinking out loud now

00:53:56.120 okay

00:53:57.120 I'm not making any predictions

00:53:58.120 what about

00:53:59.120 freedom of speech

00:54:01.120 are there going to be any laws

00:54:03.120 made by Muslims

00:54:05.120 against critics of

00:54:07.120 Muhammad

00:54:08.120 are we going to see that

00:54:10.120 of course

00:54:11.120 we're going to see that

00:54:12.120 look at what

00:54:13.120 what has been happening

00:54:14.120 in the past decade

00:54:15.120 they're trying to pass

00:54:17.120 Islamophobia laws

00:54:18.120 then

00:54:19.120 blasphemy laws

00:54:20.120 then

00:54:21.120 it's like

00:54:22.120 so

00:54:23.120 it's going to affect

00:54:24.120 and

00:54:25.120 and that

00:54:26.120 this is very

00:54:27.120 it's like

00:54:28.120 very essential

00:54:29.120 if one

00:54:30.120 thing

00:54:31.120 falls

00:54:32.120 everything else

00:54:33.120 is going to fall

00:54:34.120 because

00:54:35.120 it's like

00:54:36.120 domino effect

00:54:37.120 if one group of people say

00:54:39.120 you are not allowed

00:54:40.120 to criticize my prophet

00:54:41.120 or my god

00:54:42.120 another group

00:54:44.120 from another religion

00:54:45.120 from another ideology

00:54:46.120 will come and say

00:54:47.120 you're not allowed

00:54:48.120 to

00:54:49.120 criticize

00:54:50.120 my prophet

00:54:51.120 or my god

00:54:52.120 so every group

00:54:53.120 will start

00:54:54.120 to impose

00:54:55.120 their own laws

00:54:56.120 because they want equality

00:54:57.120 and

00:54:58.120 we end up

00:54:59.120 with a fragmented

00:55:00.120 freedom

00:55:01.120 then no freedom at all

00:55:02.120 and the proof to that

00:55:03.120 is Lebanon

00:55:04.120 Christians

00:55:05.120 worldwide

00:55:06.120 they don't care about

00:55:07.120 Jesus being criticized

00:55:08.120 such people can criticize

00:55:09.120 Jesus

00:55:10.120 in the 70s

00:55:11.120 they made a movie

00:55:12.120 about Jesus being a homosexual

00:55:13.120 nobody is going to behead anyone

00:55:15.120 for doing that

00:55:16.120 however

00:55:17.120 in Lebanon

00:55:19.120 because Muslims

00:55:20.120 they force their own laws

00:55:23.120 blasphemy laws

00:55:24.120 you cannot criticize

00:55:25.120 Islam

00:55:26.120 Muhammad

00:55:27.120 so Christians

00:55:28.120 are imitating that

00:55:29.120 if you criticize

00:55:31.120 the saints

00:55:32.120 or a married virgin

00:55:34.120 or anyone

00:55:35.120 Christians are going to

00:55:36.120 react in the same manner

00:55:38.120 in the same way

00:55:39.120 and it's shocking

00:55:40.120 it's like

00:55:41.120 what happened to you

00:55:42.120 oh

00:55:43.120 this is what happens

00:55:44.120 all the time

00:55:45.120 when one group

00:55:46.120 wants to have

00:55:47.120 the upper hand

00:55:48.120 when it comes to the law

00:55:49.120 well I'm glad

00:55:50.120 that you mentioned Lebanon

00:55:51.120 because

00:55:52.120 in my

00:55:53.120 as you kindly pointed out

00:55:55.120 earlier in my

00:55:56.120 three plus decades

00:55:58.120 of trying to warn people

00:55:59.120 I've always said

00:56:01.120 that the West

00:56:02.120 will have

00:56:03.120 the Lebanese civil war

00:56:05.120 on every street corner

00:56:07.120 the reason why

00:56:08.120 in the parasitic mind

00:56:10.120 in chapter one

00:56:11.120 I start with my

00:56:12.120 personal history

00:56:13.120 because that is the

00:56:15.120 perfect model

00:56:16.120 of a society

00:56:18.120 that becomes

00:56:19.120 balkanized

00:56:20.120 where everything

00:56:21.120 is passed

00:56:22.120 through the prism

00:56:24.120 of your religious

00:56:25.120 belongingness

00:56:26.120 and again

00:56:27.120 I know that

00:56:28.120 there's a growing number

00:56:29.120 of people that are

00:56:30.120 waking up to it

00:56:31.120 but I worry

00:56:32.120 that it's too

00:56:33.120 maybe too late

00:56:34.120 we'll see

00:56:35.120 think then

00:56:36.120 if that's the case

00:56:37.120 if we agree

00:56:38.120 that it's

00:56:39.120 probably

00:56:40.120 inconceivable

00:56:41.120 for Islam

00:56:42.120 to co-exist

00:56:43.120 with the

00:56:44.120 foundational tenets

00:56:45.120 of a free

00:56:46.120 society

00:56:48.120 what then is the outcome

00:56:49.120 is it to

00:56:50.120 ban

00:56:51.120 a religion

00:56:52.120 that is seditious

00:56:53.120 to our Western values

00:56:54.120 or

00:56:55.120 do we always

00:56:56.120 go back to

00:56:57.120 yeah but we have

00:56:58.120 freedom of speech

00:56:59.120 freedom of religion

00:57:00.120 here

00:57:01.120 now of course

00:57:02.120 I've told

00:57:03.120 expert lawyers

00:57:04.120 lawyers

00:57:05.120 constitutional lawyers

00:57:06.120 I mean could you

00:57:07.920 truly be

00:57:08.820 so impotent

00:57:10.220 that if the words

00:57:12.020 say freedom

00:57:13.220 of religion

00:57:14.160 and there is

00:57:15.320 a religion

00:57:15.980 that if it becomes

00:57:17.160 in power

00:57:18.000 it will end

00:57:19.480 those rights

00:57:20.540 you will just

00:57:21.420 stand by

00:57:22.200 impotently

00:57:22.940 and say but

00:57:23.480 there's nothing

00:57:24.000 we can do

00:57:24.480 I said there is

00:57:25.420 a thing called

00:57:26.220 amendments

00:57:27.100 in the constitution

00:57:28.440 where you can

00:57:29.500 amend things

00:57:30.260 so do you see

00:57:31.320 that that

00:57:32.100 it's through

00:57:32.740 that legal

00:57:33.500 process

00:57:34.040 that you

00:57:34.460 can alter

00:57:35.040 the landscape

00:57:35.620 or if not

00:57:37.320 what would be

00:57:37.860 some other

00:57:38.260 solutions

00:57:38.720 when the

00:57:41.700 founding fathers

00:57:42.420 in America

00:57:43.120 they were

00:57:44.160 you know

00:57:44.560 building this

00:57:45.520 country

00:57:45.880 in their mind

00:57:46.980 it was

00:57:47.820 the different

00:57:49.240 religious groups

00:57:50.340 who came

00:57:51.700 from Europe

00:57:52.640 from persecution

00:57:53.840 and how to

00:57:55.020 coexist

00:57:55.500 so in their

00:57:56.120 mind it's like

00:57:56.920 there are only

00:57:58.240 religions

00:57:58.780 and that is

00:58:00.420 what freedom

00:58:01.100 of religion's

00:58:02.080 umbrella

00:58:02.500 should cover

00:58:03.360 now what

00:58:04.740 is the

00:58:04.960 difference

00:58:05.300 between

00:58:05.700 religion

00:58:06.320 and Islam

00:58:07.300 this is

00:58:08.840 it's like

00:58:09.500 when people

00:58:10.600 understand this

00:58:11.860 then we don't

00:58:13.120 have to change

00:58:13.680 the law

00:58:14.180 we just need

00:58:15.480 to recategorize

00:58:16.760 Islam

00:58:17.260 from a religion

00:58:18.540 to a political

00:58:19.240 organization

00:58:19.880 or political

00:58:20.380 movement

00:58:20.800 and here's

00:58:21.840 my own

00:58:23.120 definition

00:58:23.920 okay

00:58:24.300 there's no

00:58:26.220 definition

00:58:26.860 for an

00:58:27.360 ideology

00:58:27.920 it's like

00:58:28.280 it's very

00:58:28.780 difficult

00:58:29.100 to define

00:58:29.680 what an

00:58:30.200 ideology

00:58:30.700 is

00:58:31.200 we have

00:58:31.920 been trying

00:58:32.320 to do

00:58:32.800 that for

00:58:33.200 a century

00:58:33.680 but a

00:58:35.040 political

00:58:35.300 ideology

00:58:35.900 is a

00:58:36.960 movement

00:58:37.280 that has

00:58:38.060 a set

00:58:38.420 of beliefs

00:58:39.040 and the

00:58:41.000 desire

00:58:41.900 to spread

00:58:43.180 that belief

00:58:44.100 and the

00:58:45.160 ambition

00:58:45.520 to gain

00:58:46.260 political

00:58:46.740 power

00:58:47.180 to impose

00:58:48.000 it on

00:58:48.300 the society

00:58:48.840 there is

00:58:49.920 the definition

00:58:50.420 of a

00:58:51.320 political

00:58:51.600 ideology

00:58:52.140 if you

00:58:52.780 apply this

00:58:53.360 definition

00:58:53.740 to

00:58:54.040 conservatism

00:58:54.880 liberalism

00:58:55.600 communism

00:58:56.380 nazism

00:58:57.080 it's like

00:58:57.780 pick any

00:58:58.520 political

00:58:58.900 movement

00:58:59.680 you want

00:59:00.280 and then

00:59:01.120 you will

00:59:01.440 see

00:59:01.660 okay

00:59:01.960 they have

00:59:02.560 a certain

00:59:03.360 worldview

00:59:03.800 they want

00:59:05.060 people to

00:59:05.540 follow it

00:59:06.060 and they

00:59:06.820 want the

00:59:07.240 political

00:59:07.560 power

00:59:08.080 to force

00:59:09.280 it

00:59:09.500 on the

00:59:09.960 society

00:59:10.380 in

00:59:11.500 Christianity

00:59:12.020 Christianity

00:59:12.420 is a

00:59:12.920 religion

00:59:13.240 there is

00:59:14.160 a set

00:59:14.400 of belief

00:59:14.860 and there

00:59:15.760 is the

00:59:16.020 desire

00:59:16.480 to spread

00:59:17.920 that

00:59:18.400 word

00:59:19.780 of view

00:59:20.120 but there

00:59:21.100 is no

00:59:21.520 political

00:59:22.060 ambition

00:59:23.140 or commandment

00:59:24.840 embedded

00:59:25.740 in the

00:59:26.140 religion

00:59:26.500 to seek

00:59:27.460 political

00:59:28.060 force

00:59:28.720 in order

00:59:29.200 to impose

00:59:29.820 it

00:59:30.060 in

00:59:30.920 Islam

00:59:31.500 there

00:59:32.500 is

00:59:33.000 that

00:59:33.480 is

00:59:33.660 that

00:59:33.900 third

00:59:34.240 element

00:59:34.800 Islam

00:59:36.000 is

00:59:36.680 Muslims

00:59:37.240 are

00:59:37.540 ordered

00:59:38.120 commanded

00:59:38.680 by

00:59:39.100 Allah

00:59:39.540 to

00:59:40.280 establish

00:59:41.100 the

00:59:42.180 religion

00:59:42.600 of

00:59:43.000 Allah

00:59:43.340 above

00:59:43.800 all

00:59:44.440 religions

00:59:45.180 and

00:59:46.020 religion

00:59:46.640 in this

00:59:47.360 context

00:59:48.580 is

00:59:49.220 the

00:59:49.800 law

00:59:50.720 of the

00:59:51.080 land

00:59:51.480 so

00:59:52.540 Islam

00:59:53.000 must

00:59:53.420 be

00:59:53.760 superior

00:59:54.320 and

00:59:55.240 so

00:59:55.620 there

00:59:55.800 is

00:59:55.920 the

00:59:56.020 commandment

00:59:56.660 to seek

00:59:57.300 political

00:59:57.740 power

00:59:58.160 that's

00:59:58.860 why

00:59:59.240 in

01:00:00.040 Jordan

01:00:00.360 for

01:00:00.600 example

01:00:01.020 in

01:00:01.300 the

01:00:01.420 last

01:00:01.660 election

01:00:02.160 parliament

01:00:02.540 election

01:00:03.040 only

01:00:03.840 23%

01:00:04.680 of

01:00:05.100 people

01:00:06.260 went out

01:00:07.080 and vote

01:00:07.560 they don't

01:00:08.020 care

01:00:08.460 but in

01:00:09.520 the

01:00:09.780 US

01:00:10.220 we have

01:00:11.800 CARE

01:00:12.940 and other

01:00:13.500 Islamic

01:00:13.820 organizations

01:00:14.460 they worship

01:00:16.160 election

01:00:16.940 suddenly

01:00:18.320 election

01:00:19.440 is so

01:00:20.200 important

01:00:20.900 it's like

01:00:21.460 why

01:00:22.280 what

01:00:22.900 happened

01:00:23.540 they love

01:00:24.420 democracy

01:00:25.160 it's like

01:00:27.320 no

01:00:27.940 I call

01:00:29.520 it

01:00:29.640 policy

01:00:30.120 jihad

01:00:30.620 we have

01:00:31.860 different

01:00:32.240 levels

01:00:32.720 of

01:00:33.020 policy

01:00:33.460 we have

01:00:34.000 policy

01:00:34.420 making

01:00:34.880 policy

01:00:35.440 distribution

01:00:36.080 policy

01:00:36.640 propaganda

01:00:37.340 so

01:00:38.040 they are

01:00:38.640 trying

01:00:39.140 to

01:00:39.760 influence

01:00:41.100 each

01:00:41.620 level

01:00:42.040 and

01:00:43.300 of course

01:00:43.940 we have

01:00:44.560 the Islamic

01:00:45.200 Court

01:00:45.420 organization

01:00:46.120 it's

01:00:46.760 similar

01:00:47.020 to the

01:00:47.400 United

01:00:47.620 Nation

01:00:48.080 and

01:00:48.880 we have

01:00:49.320 the

01:00:49.480 globalists

01:00:50.260 who are

01:00:51.060 trying

01:00:51.440 to

01:00:51.860 use

01:00:52.740 Islam

01:00:53.460 and

01:00:54.360 we have

01:00:54.840 Islam

01:00:55.220 using

01:00:55.620 the

01:00:56.080 radical

01:00:56.420 left

01:00:56.740 it's

01:00:57.120 a

01:00:57.460 mess

01:00:57.760 it's

01:00:58.440 a

01:00:58.560 mess

01:00:58.720 so

01:00:59.000 what

01:00:59.340 I

01:00:59.640 suggest

01:01:00.060 is

01:01:00.380 this

01:01:00.640 as

01:01:01.600 long

01:01:01.800 as

01:01:02.080 Islam

01:01:02.480 is

01:01:02.880 categorized

01:01:03.820 as

01:01:04.160 a

01:01:04.340 religion

01:01:04.720 then

01:01:05.980 you

01:01:06.760 don't

01:01:07.180 have

01:01:07.660 and

01:01:08.120 the

01:01:08.220 government

01:01:08.480 you

01:01:09.200 don't

01:01:09.460 have

01:01:09.820 the

01:01:10.060 freedom

01:01:10.480 to

01:01:11.300 scrutinize

01:01:12.720 to

01:01:12.940 monitor

01:01:13.360 to

01:01:14.080 protect

01:01:15.740 your

01:01:16.080 civilization

01:01:16.540 from it

01:01:17.200 however

01:01:17.840 if it

01:01:18.820 is

01:01:19.100 seen

01:01:20.100 as

01:01:20.500 a

01:01:20.680 political

01:01:21.020 movement

01:01:21.600 which

01:01:22.000 it

01:01:22.420 is

01:01:22.760 it

01:01:22.980 is

01:01:23.140 a

01:01:23.300 religion

01:01:23.740 it

01:01:24.540 has

01:01:24.840 a

01:01:24.980 religious

01:01:25.260 aspect

01:01:26.180 but

01:01:26.720 it's

01:01:26.900 also

01:01:27.160 political

01:01:27.700 then

01:01:29.040 you

01:01:29.420 can

01:01:30.000 take

01:01:31.980 different

01:01:32.840 measures

01:01:33.260 to

01:01:34.180 combat

01:01:34.840 that

01:01:35.340 but

01:01:35.800 that's

01:01:36.180 not

01:01:36.360 alone

01:01:36.720 if

01:01:37.800 you

01:01:37.980 only

01:01:38.240 do

01:01:38.460 that

01:01:38.900 the

01:01:40.000 theory

01:01:40.660 of

01:01:41.000 the

01:01:41.340 handsome

01:01:41.900 doctor

01:01:42.400 is

01:01:43.100 going

01:01:43.320 to

01:01:43.660 be

01:01:44.140 a

01:01:44.300 reality

01:01:44.700 the

01:01:44.980 demography

01:01:45.500 is

01:01:45.720 going

01:01:45.940 to

01:01:46.200 crash

01:01:46.560 that

01:01:46.860 it's

01:01:47.240 like

01:01:47.520 no

01:01:48.300 we

01:01:48.560 also

01:01:49.260 need

01:01:49.500 to

01:01:49.620 accompany

01:01:50.100 that

01:01:50.480 with

01:01:50.840 immigration

01:01:51.780 control

01:01:52.340 yes

01:01:52.920 because

01:01:53.920 you

01:01:54.300 can't

01:01:54.580 only

01:01:54.820 just

01:01:55.260 redefine

01:01:56.220 Islam

01:01:56.540 because

01:01:56.840 at one

01:01:57.280 point

01:01:57.720 Islam

01:01:58.180 will

01:01:58.500 have

01:01:58.840 the

01:01:59.000 number

01:01:59.320 and

01:02:00.060 it

01:02:00.400 will

01:02:00.560 be

01:02:00.820 redefined

01:02:01.380 again

01:02:01.740 so

01:02:02.260 you

01:02:02.560 can't

01:02:02.840 really

01:02:03.020 do

01:02:03.180 anything

01:02:03.500 it's

01:02:03.720 like

01:02:03.880 you

01:02:04.020 are

01:02:04.480 only

01:02:05.100 going

01:02:05.360 to

01:02:05.600 push

01:02:05.860 the

01:02:06.060 can

01:02:06.260 down

01:02:06.480 the

01:02:06.660 road

01:02:06.860 it's

01:02:07.080 like

01:02:07.300 you

01:02:08.600 are

01:02:08.840 postponing

01:02:09.720 the

01:02:10.000 catastrophe

01:02:10.620 but

01:02:11.320 you

01:02:11.500 need

01:02:11.680 to

01:02:11.860 control

01:02:12.180 immigration

01:02:12.700 and

01:02:14.200 to

01:02:15.300 be

01:02:15.440 honest

01:02:15.700 that's

01:02:16.000 the

01:02:16.100 only

01:02:16.260 way

01:02:16.600 do

01:02:17.080 you

01:02:17.360 see

01:02:18.180 any

01:02:18.440 other

01:02:18.780 solution

01:02:19.440 to

01:02:20.040 this

01:02:20.220 crisis

01:02:20.580 I

01:02:21.060 agree

01:02:21.360 one

01:02:21.680 of

01:02:22.100 the

01:02:22.220 only

01:02:22.460 things

01:02:22.820 that

01:02:23.020 makes

01:02:23.320 me

01:02:23.700 somewhat

01:02:24.740 pessimistic

01:02:25.480 and

01:02:25.780 a couple

01:02:26.340 of

01:02:26.560 years

01:02:26.940 ago

01:02:27.180 I

01:02:27.360 had

01:02:27.560 posted

01:02:28.020 this

01:02:28.420 was

01:02:28.620 just

01:02:28.960 shortly

01:02:29.260 after

01:02:29.660 October

01:02:30.120 7th

01:02:30.660 I

01:02:31.100 posted

01:02:31.520 a

01:02:31.760 tweet

01:02:32.100 that

01:02:32.780 then

01:02:33.040 became

01:02:33.460 viral

01:02:33.880 I

01:02:34.020 don't

01:02:34.120 know

01:02:34.240 how

01:02:34.360 many

01:02:34.520 20

01:02:34.860 30

01:02:35.140 million

01:02:35.400 people

01:02:35.680 where

01:02:36.000 I

01:02:36.240 was

01:02:36.500 actually

01:02:37.020 quite

01:02:37.620 dour

01:02:38.540 and

01:02:38.920 quite

01:02:39.260 pessimistic

01:02:39.920 which

01:02:40.180 took

01:02:40.420 a lot

01:02:40.700 of

01:02:40.840 people

01:02:41.080 by

01:02:41.300 surprise

01:02:41.760 because

01:02:42.320 usually

01:02:42.760 even

01:02:43.160 when

01:02:43.400 I'm

01:02:43.580 dealing

01:02:43.840 with

01:02:44.100 difficult

01:02:44.520 issues

01:02:44.960 you know

01:02:45.500 I'm

01:02:45.760 playful

01:02:46.200 and I'm

01:02:46.740 satirical

01:02:47.340 and I

01:02:47.680 joke

01:02:47.900 around

01:02:48.280 but

01:02:48.800 this

01:02:49.280 people

01:02:49.680 stood

01:02:50.020 up

01:02:50.180 and said

01:02:50.400 wait

01:02:50.600 a minute

01:02:50.800 if

01:02:51.020 the

01:02:51.200 happy

01:02:51.580 warrior

01:02:52.020 is

01:02:52.580 using

01:02:58.620 pessimistic

01:02:59.200 note

01:02:59.480 I

01:02:59.740 worry

01:03:00.360 that

01:03:01.260 because

01:03:02.900 of

01:03:03.080 the

01:03:03.200 parasitic

01:03:03.640 mind

01:03:03.980 and

01:03:04.160 because

01:03:04.400 of

01:03:04.560 suicidal

01:03:05.000 empathy

01:03:05.540 it

01:03:06.280 will

01:03:06.420 be

01:03:06.640 too

01:03:06.960 long

01:03:07.340 down

01:03:07.680 the

01:03:07.960 road

01:03:08.340 before

01:03:09.120 the

01:03:09.440 West

01:03:09.760 wakes

01:03:10.140 up

01:03:10.380 to

01:03:10.560 do

01:03:10.800 many

01:03:11.080 of

01:03:11.260 the

01:03:11.380 things

01:03:11.600 that

01:03:11.760 you

01:03:11.900 and

01:03:12.040 I

01:03:12.160 have

01:03:12.300 been

01:03:12.420 talking

01:03:12.680 about

01:03:12.960 in

01:03:13.100 this

01:03:13.260 conversation

01:03:13.780 so

01:03:14.420 in

01:03:15.600 the

01:03:15.820 abstract

01:03:16.360 the

01:03:17.160 trajectory

01:03:17.780 of the

01:03:18.400 autocorrection

01:03:19.080 is clear

01:03:19.800 and it

01:03:20.200 is within

01:03:20.660 our reach

01:03:21.260 and we

01:03:21.600 can do

01:03:22.000 it

01:03:22.180 and we

01:03:22.440 can solve

01:03:22.840 the

01:03:23.020 problem

01:03:23.420 whether

01:03:24.300 there

01:03:24.640 is

01:03:24.840 the

01:03:25.040 will

01:03:25.280 to

01:03:25.500 do

01:03:25.700 it

01:03:25.900 in

01:03:26.180 the

01:03:26.740 necessary

01:03:27.180 time

01:03:27.680 for it

01:03:28.080 to be

01:03:28.380 implemented

01:03:28.900 I

01:03:29.720 don't

01:03:30.120 feel

01:03:30.340 very

01:03:30.680 optimistic

01:03:31.240 and this

01:03:32.040 is why

01:03:32.400 I think

01:03:32.800 that

01:03:33.060 the

01:03:33.520 problem

01:03:33.980 might

01:03:34.500 be

01:03:34.780 solved

01:03:35.160 in

01:03:35.420 50

01:03:35.920 or

01:03:36.200 100

01:03:36.520 years

01:03:36.960 but

01:03:37.280 it

01:03:37.420 will

01:03:37.540 be

01:03:37.720 solved

01:03:38.080 in

01:03:38.540 an

01:03:38.680 astoundingly

01:03:39.380 more

01:03:39.740 violent

01:03:40.240 way

01:03:41.040 that's

01:03:41.300 true

01:03:42.140 that's

01:03:42.660 true

01:03:42.840 I

01:03:43.820 believe

01:03:44.320 that

01:03:44.660 the

01:03:45.100 Islamic

01:03:45.380 war

01:03:45.680 today

01:03:46.120 is

01:03:47.320 importing

01:03:48.020 the

01:03:48.520 Western

01:03:48.940 values

01:03:49.500 and

01:03:51.140 they

01:03:51.660 are

01:03:51.800 keeping

01:03:52.120 the

01:03:52.380 cultural

01:03:52.760 shell

01:03:53.220 for

01:03:53.740 example

01:03:54.340 United

01:03:54.740 Arab

01:03:55.020 Emirates

01:03:55.460 the

01:03:55.660 United

01:03:55.920 Arab

01:03:56.200 Emirates

01:03:56.480 is

01:03:56.640 not

01:03:56.880 the

01:03:57.100 product

01:03:57.420 of

01:03:57.640 Islam

01:03:58.100 it

01:03:58.720 is

01:03:58.860 the

01:03:59.020 product

01:03:59.400 of

01:03:59.640 Western

01:04:00.060 values

01:04:00.840 Western

01:04:01.220 principles

01:04:01.720 that

01:04:02.300 were

01:04:02.500 imported

01:04:03.080 but

01:04:03.580 they

01:04:03.800 keep

01:04:04.160 that

01:04:04.440 cultural

01:04:04.840 shell

01:04:05.260 and

01:04:05.840 they

01:04:06.000 are

01:04:06.220 genuine

01:04:06.640 about

01:04:06.960 it

01:04:07.100 I'm

01:04:07.220 talking

01:04:07.360 about

01:04:07.520 the

01:04:07.640 leadership

01:04:07.960 of

01:04:08.280 course

01:04:08.480 they're

01:04:08.720 genuine

01:04:08.960 about

01:04:09.380 that

01:04:09.740 transformation

01:04:10.420 but

01:04:11.760 since

01:04:12.300 Islamic

01:04:13.780 jihad

01:04:14.220 or the

01:04:14.940 true

01:04:15.340 version

01:04:15.780 of

01:04:15.940 Islam

01:04:16.180 is

01:04:16.460 moving

01:04:16.720 to

01:04:16.900 the

01:04:17.040 West

01:04:17.300 I

01:04:18.400 am

01:04:18.760 afraid

01:04:19.100 that

01:04:19.420 one

01:04:19.700 day

01:04:20.040 an

01:04:20.760 Islamic

01:04:21.140 country

01:04:21.760 in

01:04:22.140 Europe

01:04:25.020 Saudi

01:04:25.640 Arabia

01:04:26.020 to

01:04:26.300 liberate

01:04:26.820 the

01:04:27.020 Kaaba

01:04:27.340 from

01:04:29.120 the

01:04:29.340 infidels

01:04:29.800 who

01:04:30.880 don't

01:04:31.180 really

01:04:31.400 understand

01:04:31.960 Islam

01:04:32.240 but

01:04:33.860 as

01:04:35.660 you

01:04:35.780 said

01:04:36.000 we

01:04:36.120 don't

01:04:36.260 want

01:04:36.460 to

01:04:36.580 end

01:04:36.720 it

01:04:36.860 on

01:04:37.060 a

01:04:37.340 pessimistic

01:04:37.880 note

01:04:38.180 I

01:04:38.440 just

01:04:39.260 want

01:04:39.440 to

01:04:39.560 say

01:04:39.720 this

01:04:40.060 I

01:04:41.140 believe

01:04:41.540 I'm

01:04:42.840 a

01:04:42.940 Christian

01:04:43.180 I

01:04:43.720 believe

01:04:43.980 that

01:04:44.300 the

01:04:44.600 word

01:04:44.960 is

01:04:45.500 getting

01:04:46.140 better

01:04:46.520 and

01:04:46.780 better

01:04:47.000 every

01:04:47.280 day

01:04:47.520 we

01:04:48.180 are

01:04:48.680 at

01:04:49.640 the

01:04:50.000 best

01:04:50.380 or

01:04:50.640 the

01:04:50.780 most

01:04:51.680 peaceful

01:04:52.220 moment

01:04:53.180 in

01:04:53.420 history

01:04:53.820 we

01:04:54.340 have

01:04:54.640 better

01:04:54.900 education

01:04:55.520 better

01:04:55.860 health

01:04:56.160 system

01:04:56.540 so

01:04:56.680 I

01:04:56.800 think

01:04:57.020 that

01:04:57.200 the

01:04:57.360 word

01:04:57.700 is

01:04:58.080 somehow

01:04:58.700 through

01:04:59.880 pain

01:05:00.940 and

01:05:01.200 suffering

01:05:01.640 and

01:05:01.960 catastrophe

01:05:02.480 and

01:05:02.800 calamities

01:05:03.380 is

01:05:04.480 getting

01:05:05.120 healed

01:05:05.900 now

01:05:06.760 how

01:05:07.240 does

01:05:07.880 that

01:05:08.160 play

01:05:08.420 out

01:05:08.700 with

01:05:08.980 what

01:05:09.360 we

01:05:09.560 have

01:05:09.720 been

01:05:09.880 talking

01:05:10.140 about

01:05:10.480 for

01:05:10.680 the

01:05:10.840 past

01:05:11.140 one

01:05:11.640 and a

01:05:11.820 half

01:05:11.920 hour

01:05:12.180 I

01:05:12.780 don't

01:05:13.360 know

01:05:13.680 but

01:05:14.380 we

01:05:15.120 are

01:05:15.400 trying

01:05:15.880 to

01:05:16.160 avoid

01:05:16.720 or

01:05:18.280 this

01:05:18.520 is

01:05:18.640 like

01:05:18.800 my

01:05:19.020 statement

01:05:19.500 nowadays

01:05:20.580 I'm

01:05:21.340 trying

01:05:21.700 to

01:05:22.000 help

01:05:22.400 to

01:05:23.160 protect

01:05:23.520 the

01:05:23.720 West

01:05:24.000 from

01:05:25.000 the

01:05:25.660 same

01:05:26.120 from

01:05:26.740 the

01:05:26.900 damage

01:05:27.280 or

01:05:27.520 the

01:05:27.660 destruction

01:05:28.120 that

01:05:28.500 my

01:05:28.740 former

01:05:29.140 faith

01:05:29.700 brought

01:05:30.480 because

01:05:31.340 the

01:05:31.620 West

01:05:31.840 is

01:05:32.160 the

01:05:32.400 product

01:05:32.740 of

01:05:33.020 my

01:05:33.260 current

01:05:33.640 faith

01:05:34.000 I

01:05:34.480 believe

01:05:34.720 that

01:05:34.940 the

01:05:35.080 Judeo-Christian

01:05:35.860 framework

01:05:36.800 values

01:05:37.460 that built

01:05:38.140 the West

01:05:38.680 it has

01:05:39.560 these values

01:05:40.480 were secularized

01:05:41.800 during the

01:05:43.260 enlightenment

01:05:43.620 but they

01:05:44.380 are biblical

01:05:44.960 this is

01:05:45.560 my honest

01:05:46.300 belief

01:05:46.700 and

01:05:47.600 Islam

01:05:48.140 we have

01:05:48.960 seen what

01:05:49.340 Islam has

01:05:49.820 done to

01:05:50.360 the region

01:05:50.820 in the

01:05:51.420 past

01:05:51.680 14th

01:05:52.160 century

01:05:52.440 so I'm

01:05:53.300 trying to

01:05:53.680 protect

01:05:54.160 this

01:05:54.920 civilization

01:05:55.580 from

01:05:56.640 the

01:05:57.480 destruction

01:05:57.940 of that

01:05:58.620 ideology

01:05:59.400 is it

01:06:01.360 possible

01:06:02.040 that

01:06:02.820 we will

01:06:03.600 reach

01:06:04.100 that

01:06:04.460 I'm

01:06:05.380 not sure

01:06:06.020 as you

01:06:06.360 said

01:06:06.620 it's going

01:06:07.000 to be

01:06:07.280 more

01:06:07.580 violent

01:06:07.980 if it's

01:06:08.740 50 years

01:06:09.420 from now

01:06:09.980 but I'm

01:06:11.060 always

01:06:11.520 hopeful

01:06:12.100 but I

01:06:13.160 always

01:06:13.500 prepare

01:06:13.880 for the

01:06:14.280 worst

01:06:14.580 from your

01:06:15.740 lips to

01:06:16.160 God's

01:06:16.520 ear

01:06:16.660 let me

01:06:16.960 mention a

01:06:17.360 couple

01:06:17.540 of

01:06:17.660 things

01:06:17.860 in Arabic

01:06:18.340 come back

01:06:30.160 anytime

01:06:30.580 you'd like

01:06:31.140 and

01:06:31.620 real

01:06:32.140 pleasure

01:06:32.440 stay on

01:06:33.360 the line

01:06:33.620 so we

01:06:33.860 could say

01:06:34.140 goodbye

01:06:34.520 offline

01:06:35.300 and

01:06:36.240 continue

01:06:36.980 your

01:06:37.300 excellent

01:06:37.680 work

01:06:37.980 thank you

01:06:38.280 for coming

01:06:38.600 on

01:06:38.860 I was

01:06:39.700 afraid

01:06:41.000 coming

01:06:41.420 into

01:06:41.700 this

01:06:42.100 show

01:06:42.340 because

01:06:42.720 you're

01:06:43.060 very

01:06:43.780 funny

01:06:44.160 and

01:06:44.560 I'm

01:06:45.020 not

01:06:45.200 funny

01:06:45.520 so I

01:06:46.340 get

01:06:46.740 intimidated

01:06:47.340 by funny

01:06:48.000 people

01:06:48.440 so

01:06:50.500 I know

01:06:51.300 that you

01:06:51.580 were nervous

01:06:54.100 about coming

01:06:54.720 on the

01:06:55.060 show

01:06:55.320 hopefully

01:06:56.000 it went

01:06:56.540 well

01:06:56.880 are you

01:06:57.740 pleased

01:06:58.040 yeah

01:06:58.460 no

01:07:00.040 it's

01:07:00.700 the best

01:07:01.260 interview

01:07:01.940 I've ever

01:07:02.400 given

01:07:02.620 thank you

01:07:03.140 so much

01:07:03.620 thank you

01:07:04.040 cheers

01:07:04.320 stay on

01:07:04.600 the line

01:07:04.880 cheers

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - October 24, 2025

Danny Burmawi - Ex-Muslim and Author of ＂Islam, Israel and the West＂ (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_903)

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