00:00:00.500Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast. Very excited today we have Gad Saad with us, a professor, evolutionary behavioral scientist, five-time author, and host of The Saad Truth.
00:00:13.260He is a scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi.
00:00:19.400He has a new book out called Suicidal Empathy, Dying to be Kind, which is a fantastic read, and we're going to dive into that in just a minute.
00:00:28.500But one of the things that I wanted to make sure that our audience who may be new to you, I want to make sure that they know is that you are the preeminent king of satire, sarcasm, sardonic wit, which I happened to learn the hard way about six years ago when I didn't pick up on that in a tweet that you posted.
00:00:51.840and I got properly mocked to high heaven by your followers as a result. And you actually said in
00:01:01.300response to me, quote, I'll never forget this. Like I had to go and look this back up because
00:01:05.740I was like, oh, I got to tell him about this. You said, and I quote, this is the humor that
00:01:09.880I love so much. Learn to detect sarcasm that a newborn pigeon would identify upon its hatching.
00:01:17.800that sounds like me i love it it's so great she's like i instantly love you yeah oh my god i felt
00:01:25.940this small but i ended up writing you back and mentioning titania mcgrath because i loved
00:01:31.780titania mcgrath at the at the time because i felt like titania set the bar for satire
00:01:36.360and you said titania was in diapers when i was revolutionizing the use of satire and sarcasm
00:01:44.380And I was like, this is he is our people. He's our people. Totally.
00:01:49.200And thank you. First, thank you for the lovely introduction. But let me just say, I've often been saying recently that suicidal empathy is fueled by progressive white women.
00:02:01.720Thank you for proving that incorrect.0.61
00:02:05.440All white women are are bathing in suicidal empathy.1.00
00:02:10.400Oh, no. Nor are we progressive. We're not progressive at all.0.98
00:02:13.820No, no, we're the antithesis. We have been for almost two decades. So, yeah, we understand the mocking, but in another way where people look at us and they're like, you're not supposed to be a conservative. You're supposed to be progressive. And it's like, yeah, we think for ourselves. But thank you very much. Yes.
00:02:30.740Well, we want to dive right in to the new book, which comes out in a week, I think.
00:02:39.260OK, fantastic. So one of the things that you've always been outspoken about, not just in the book and that and we have talked about it a lot as well on our show is the threat of Islam to the West.1.00
00:02:51.900And this is so interesting because it just came up in my family for the oddest reason. My mom had sent me an article or not an article, but she sent me an email just yesterday saying, hey, I read this article or an interview in the Wall Street Journal with a Muslim think tank leader.
00:03:10.320I don't even remember what his name was. And she was so impressed by how reasonable and like non-Mom Donnie he sounded. And her takeaway was that we should always judge people as individuals. And my immediate thought was to say, we got to ask Gadsad how he would respond to my mom.
00:03:29.980Yes, okay. So look, individuals have individual differences. Some of us are tall, short, hardworking, not hardworking, kind, not kind. So in any grouping, there are nice Jews and mean Jews, nice atheists, mean atheists.
00:03:46.540So Muslims, to the extent that they have individual personhoods, can come in all possible shades.
00:03:56.360That doesn't mean, though, that there is a discussion to be had as to whether Islam's fundamental tenets are congruent or incongruent with Western values in general, and certainly American freedoms and liberties in particular.
00:04:10.920And to that latter point, nothing could be clearer.
00:04:15.340In other words, you couldn't have come up with a set of principles as codified in Islam that were more incongruent with Western liberties.0.86
00:04:25.340So I'll just give you one example, but we could deep dive as far as you'd like to go.0.92
00:04:30.560So in American jurisprudence, the reason why Lady Liberty is blindfolded is because she's supposed to be blind to, for example, the identities of the perpetrators and the victims of a crime.0.99
00:05:40.020Well, it's regrettably, it's a cocktail. It's a confluence of many factors, but certainly the fact that in the West, we've seen an orgiastic opening of open borders, that you have people that are coming into the host nations with values that are endemically Jew-hating values.0.89
00:06:03.960So, for example, and there's tons and tons of data of this, and I discussed this in several of my writings, including in, for example, The Parasitic Mind, one of my earlier books.0.86
00:06:13.640If you look, for example, at Pew surveys, so Pew, P-E-W, which is nonpartisan, arguably a bit more to the left.
00:06:21.860So it's not as though it's, you know, right wing agenda.
00:06:25.520and if you ask people stemming from a broad range of Islamic countries
00:06:31.700that actually vary, you know, it could be Indonesia
00:06:34.980or it could be the Middle East or it could be Africa.
00:06:37.620So the races are different, but they share one thing.
00:07:22.440are you going to have an increase of Jew hatred
00:07:25.320in the whole society or a decrease let me scratch my head i know i got that one yeah and they don't
00:07:30.660just hate jews they hate america they do that's and it's i just well and it's so interesting
00:07:36.360because we we talked to dr zudi jasser years ago when we had a radio show and one of the things i0.76
00:07:41.820asked him which i don't think he ever answered for me satisfactorily i i guess but maybe you know
00:07:48.700maybe you you will. And that is because just like my mom, you know, her natural instinct is to just
00:07:55.320think, oh, well, this person see over here, he's perfectly fine. So that must mean it's OK.
00:08:00.160One of the things that we asked Dr. Zutty Jasser was, is it possible that you as a Muslim,1.00
00:08:05.460when we were talking to him, are simply doing your religion wrong because you're not actually
00:08:11.300following it through to its logical conclusion based on its own tenets? Do you think that that's
00:08:16.860true that moderate Muslims just simply aren't practicing their faith correctly that is 100%0.98
00:08:22.740correct uh uh Zudi Jasser is a nice person despite adhering to supposedly Islam right1.00
00:08:32.380so this is what I call cafeteria Muslims right there's a buffet yes and choose the part just
00:08:39.400like for example i'm i'm jewish i do eat shrimp i do eat on occasions don't tell the rabbi pork0.52
00:08:48.760not because i practice a gentle form of judaism there is only one judaism i choose to ignore the
00:08:58.520parts that don't adhere to my culinary preferences there is no gentle judaism mean judaism kosher
00:09:06.460Judaism, non-kosher Judaism. There's just Judaism. By the exact same reasoning, there is no Islamism.
00:09:14.700There is no radical Islamism. There is no militant jihadi Islamism. You could put all the qualifiers
00:09:22.800before the term Islam, and you could add as many isms after Islam. This is why you may have seen
00:09:28.720me when I say, is he practicing self-radicalized Islamismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismism0.67
00:09:58.720There has been a very long litany of people who've tried that Reformation project.
00:10:04.660And do you want to guess what is the percentage of those people that have failed in that project?
00:12:25.020I remember May 22nd of 2022 being the date.
00:12:28.320I don't know why that sticks out, but I remember that being the date.
00:12:31.020I think it may be May 4th, 2022, which actually happens to be today, four years ago.
00:12:35.220So basically what, so in Canada, for many of your viewers and listeners who are American, if you think that wherever, whichever state you are in the U.S., you're being, you know, taxed to oblivion, it is child's play.
00:12:51.360It's the junior varsity team compared to what it is in Canada in general, and then Quebec more so.
00:12:57.820So in the way that you guys have states, you know, 50 states in the United States, we have provinces.
00:13:04.740So we have 10 provinces. And so each province, while all provinces have heavy taxation, some are more socialist than others. Quebec happens to be probably the most socialist of all of the provinces.
00:13:21.000So we have a, of course, double taxation system so that the federal government, at least from the data from a few years ago when I told that anecdote in the book, the federal government was at the maximum progressive tax is at 33%.
00:13:38.000And the maximum Quebec tax, which is the provincial tax, is 25.75%.
00:13:44.960So now we're at, as you start making more money,
00:15:11.240Now, in Canada, I am 100% a slave till about September, meaning that from January 1st till about early September, nothing that I earn is money.
00:15:58.740that has ever been initiated on a populace.
00:16:05.380So now let me just wrap up with this. If you were, of course, anybody doesn't want to be taxed, but we know, for example, that your income is taxed differently than your dividend tax if you take out from your company.
00:16:21.460So the government does recognize that different sources of income can result in different taxation rates.
00:16:28.940And let me explain why I'm saying this.
00:16:31.440If I buy something for $3 and I sell it for $6, and therefore you tax me on the profit I've made,
00:16:38.600that's very different than when you're taxing my mind, as is the case when you're an author.
00:16:45.220So, for example, Ireland recognizes that cultural richness as instantiated via an author's creation or an artist's creation are tax-free because that becomes part of the patrimony of the society, right?
00:17:08.560And that's why, by the way, a lot of artists will move their estate to Ireland and so on.
00:17:12.580Now, imagine that the Quebec and Canadian government said, OK, your book royalties of the parasitic mind, even though 99 percent of all book royalties that you've amassed did not happen in Quebec or Canada, we own 58 percent of it.
00:17:33.520So your mind, so my mind, my history in Lebanon, my humor, my theories, my ideas are predominantly owned by my government.
00:17:46.020I own 42 percent of the integrity of my mind.
00:18:24.920And by the way, it is rooted both parasitic taxation, which we just talked about, and Islamic open door immigration policy and the ethos of equity are all rooted in suicidal empathy.0.71
00:18:40.360Some people, I mean, as she literally says, I mean, I have a whole bunch of quotes from her.
00:18:45.580I mean, literal verbatim quotes in the book.
00:18:48.320She says, look, some people end up being richer than others.
00:18:53.420That is inherently unfair. It's non-empathetic that Elon Musk, in the time that we've started
00:19:03.580this conversation, Elon Musk's net worth is more than all the money that I have ever made
00:19:12.760in 32 years as a professor. That just feels mean. That feels non-empathetic.
00:19:19.380So given that Elon is a personal friend of mine, I'm going to immediately write to him after and say, this is unfair that you're making so much more money.0.74
00:19:28.120And so let me put a metaphorical gun to your head and please share that money.
00:19:36.640Equity basically says, by the way, it often argues that it's because different people start off at different starting points because of nefarious reasons.
00:19:50.300But actually, the ethos of equity is a lot more sinister than that, because it even says if you were born with inherently different intellectual endowments.
00:20:05.660So some of us are born more intelligent than others, right?
00:20:11.280So it's not that you were born into a white supremacist society and you're a person of color.
00:20:16.700Just the fact that you and I might have been born with different innate proclivities, therefore rendering, if you're smarter than me, more likely to succeed than me, that's inherently unfair.
00:20:55.800If we all are born with equal potentiality,
00:20:58.940Then if only I can find the perfect schedule of reinforcements, of punishments and rewards, if I hug my child enough or I don't hug him enough, maybe he too can be the next Michael Jordan, Lionel Messi or Albert Einstein.0.61
00:21:13.260It's a beautifully hopeful message rooted in pure bullshit, but it makes me feel good as a parent, right?0.75
00:21:21.460I just have to find how to hug my child and boom, he's the next Michael Jordan.0.97
00:21:26.720Now, the fact that I'm Jewish and therefore I'm not six foot six probably has nothing to do with the fact that my son is less likely to become an NBA star.
00:21:37.700I just have to find how many Big Macs to feed him and he'll be.
00:22:05.940We communicated several times privately.
00:22:08.400I invited him on my show and I said, oh, you know, just to kind of give him, make him feel at ease that, you know, I said, you know, well, you know, Elon and I had a X spaces that was well received.
00:22:20.500He goes, well, I really don't, I'm paraphrasing his words, but he basically said, you know, there is nothing that I could learn in a conversation with you or Elon.
00:22:45.020But then he was doing the whole Rara thing with Kamala Harris and the whole diversity, inclusion, equity. And so I had written, I mean, publicly, that was a public tweet. You know, I see that you're the owner of the Mavs. I'm looking, I'm seeing no Lebanese Jewish point guards.
00:23:04.840I think there's, if I don't see a representation of me in the NBA, you know, courts, then how can I or my son ever a spy, you know, whatever, my usual satire.
00:23:18.760And, you know, he then got very upset and eventually unfollowed me.
00:23:32.840anything. Even when I'm wrong, I keep that tweet because I want there to be a forensic record of
00:23:40.840if I've ever said something wrong. So the people who used to have their pronouns in their bio,
00:23:47.700but now took it out, are you then not suggesting that it was all performative nonsense? Because
00:23:54.000if you absolutely believe that you must, like, for example, look at me, I am the model of,
00:23:59.900i'm the epitome of masculinity so you would think that it should be easy to guess what my sex is
00:24:06.320but apparently we learned from malcolm gladwell the very uh beautiful best-selling author that
00:24:12.540that's completely false that that you know the 117 billion people that had existed on earth
00:24:19.160that's an actual true number that's the estimate 117 billion homo sapiens that have existed until
00:24:25.400about 15 minutes ago seem to be able to navigate the very difficult conundrum of identifying with
00:24:33.480whom they should mate. But Malcolm Gladwell and Mark Cuban and the rest of their friends
00:24:38.280told us recently that progressive science says that you absolutely can't tell just by looking
00:24:43.760at someone what their sex is. So now, though, the winds are changing. So they go back quietly and
00:24:50.060remove the pronouns, they're bullshitters. Yes. They're phonies. Absolute phonies. So right. So0.99
00:24:57.820one of the things, too, that we talked about in our own book is the left's use of language and
00:25:02.860the way that they manipulate and rename things to sort of soften how terrible the things are
00:25:08.500that they believe in, like the way that they call abortion reproductive health care or bodily
00:25:14.360autonomy. Yeah. Or they call taxes, you know, revenue. This is how they this is how they
00:25:20.880spin everything. And I really think, Gad, that you have another like revenue stream possibility
00:25:26.840if you just write a book that is nothing but your versions of words, because some of the ones that
00:25:34.300you have in your book, the way that you called rapists undocumented lovemakers or altruistic
00:25:43.540sperm donors you need to write an entire book of just those because i swear to god it'd be a
00:25:50.040bestseller it's a coffee table book you're very kind and let me let me tell you part of the
00:25:55.440the the cognitive i mean look some people are inherently funny to our earlier points some are
00:26:01.680tall some are short some are funny some are not uh i could tell you stories of when i was eight
00:26:06.820years old and i'm standing there with adults and they're all cracking up at the stuff i'm saying
00:26:12.360So this is like, I didn't go to a seminar to learn how to be funny, but let me give you the sort of the cognitive mechanism that I use to generate that, that humor. And this is why I often write, let's say I see some reality come out and then I will reshare and say my prophetic satire strikes again, because I had exactly predicted this and here's how I do it.
00:26:36.840So you have to have the power of extrapolation, right?
00:26:41.380So if you see somebody holding a position at this place here, then you say, what is the natural consequences if I can push that kind of mindset to its quote logical extreme boundary condition?
00:26:57.960So then I satire that boundary position and then I fold my arms and wait for reality to catch up.
00:27:06.840that's that's literally what i do right brilliant right and so for example this is actually not
00:27:14.880this is a real thing and which i cite in the book it's not fair to marginalize the noble community
00:27:22.960of pedophiles isn't it nicer to to use the word minor attracted person oh my gosh by the way
00:27:32.920is a thing. The references that I used to actually demonstrate that this wasn't my satire
00:27:40.120are academic papers. But now let me give you the background to how this whole thing started,
00:27:48.380what I call linguistic empathy. It comes from the granddaddy of parasitic ideas,
00:27:54.520which I discussed in The Parasitic Mind, which is postmodernism. Postmodernism purports that there
00:28:01.080are no objective truths other than the one objective truth that there are no objective
00:28:06.280truths, okay? So it already falters in terms of internal coherence. An offshoot of postmodernism
00:28:15.640is what's called deconstructionism. And the guy who espoused that movement is a French1.00
00:28:22.220postmodernist by the name of Jacques Derrida. And so Derrida basically argued that language
00:28:29.420creates reality. There is nothing outside of the things that we label that thing. So there isn't
00:28:38.200some objective truth. So it is that reflex that then allows the Democrats who are the party of
00:28:46.520empathy to then empathetically rename all things. So undocumented lovemaker is rapist. By the way,1.00
00:30:58.480And, and, and I'm not trying to be coy or equivocate by giving you both answers, both
00:31:04.200that I'm both optimistic and pessimistic.
00:31:06.120I am both of these things and I'll explain why.
00:31:09.260So let's suppose, God forbid, you went to see your physician and he or she tells you, you've got incredibly aggressive stage four pancreatic cancer. We have absolutely no intervention strategy. You've got a month, get your life in order. Then that's the highest form of pessimism and that there isn't even a plan to tackle a possible intervention. It's over. It's game over, right?
00:31:34.120Now, the optimistic part of the question that you asked is that there are a set of autocorrective interventions that the West can implement to completely solve this problem.
00:31:49.300So it's not as though in the abstract, there is no way for us to tackle the problem.