The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Discussing the Middle East on Israeli TV (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_831)

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Viewpoint on ILTV, where we bring you leading voices from the Middle East and beyond.

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00:00:09.620 From here to here, from thought leaders and cultural critics shaping today's discourse.

00:00:13.980 I'm Emily Schrader, and today we're speaking with Dr. Gad Saad.

00:00:31.460 Dr. Saad is an evolutionary behavioral scientist and a visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood University.

00:00:38.120 He's also the best-selling author of The Parasitic Mind, How Infectious Ideas Are Killing Common Sense,

00:00:44.080 one of my personal favorite books, and has recently actually been released in Hebrew here in Israel.

00:00:49.620 Now, Dr. Saad is known for his fearless critiques of political correctness, of radical Islam, and Western appeasement culture. 0.54

00:00:56.580 He's also been a powerful advocate for free speech and a staunch defender of Israel and Jewish identity within the Western world.

00:01:03.720 He also hosts the popular podcast, The Saad Truth, and has become a major voice challenging the rise of ideological conformity in academia and beyond.

00:01:13.140 Dr. Saad, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:01:15.840 Just to start, now, you've built a career calling out dangerous ideologies, from radical Islam to identity politics.

00:01:23.360 What was your breaking point? I mean, when did you decide enough is enough and that you had to speak out about this more publicly?

00:01:30.000 You know, well, first, thank you for having me.

00:01:31.740 It's been really an ongoing opening up of my eyes, so to speak, from when I first became a professor.

00:01:40.060 So my original work in academia was to try to incorporate evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology to study human behavior.

00:01:50.000 And I was shocked to see that many of my colleagues who were social scientists, business school professors,

00:01:57.120 were dead set against the idea that biology matters to human beings. 0.97

00:02:01.200 And I thought, how could it be that otherwise intelligent, educated people so parasitized by these kinds of imbecilic thought processes? 0.93

00:02:10.680 So it really started probably around 1994, but it has been growing like a tsunami ever since. 0.94

00:02:19.000 And so it's been an ongoing journey.

00:02:21.660 Now, let's talk a little bit about October 7th itself.

00:02:24.700 As someone who fled Lebanon as a child, due at least in part to anti-Semitism and, of course, war,

00:02:30.340 how did this massacre committed by Hamas, how did it resonate with you personally?

00:02:35.600 And honestly, what does it say about the world's reaction that sympathy so quickly shifted away from Israel,

00:02:42.420 who was the victim after October 7th?

00:02:44.960 Well, of course, I was horrified by the October 7th event,

00:02:48.320 although perhaps not surprised given the, you know, the personal history that I have in the Middle East.

00:02:54.100 But you're exactly right that what has been, you know, as disconcerting as the original event is exactly what you said,

00:03:02.300 which is you would think that such a trial event would unify the world against barbarism.

00:03:09.360 This is where the Jews could finally garner some empathy, sympathy and compassion.

00:03:14.300 But, of course, to our dismay, we found out after October 7th, 0.98

00:03:19.440 people were already starting to demonstrate against the evil Jews and the evil Israelis. 1.00

00:03:25.280 It's horrible, but I hate to say it, it doesn't surprise me given my personal history. 0.90

00:03:30.240 Now, you've spoken a lot about your family's escape from Lebanon.

00:03:34.300 So I do have to ask, when you saw Israel's pager operation,

00:03:38.420 taking out Hezbollah's top commanders in Lebanon with a single, not even a strike, with miniature explosions,

00:03:44.860 did you shed a tear of joy, pour a glass of Lebanese Arak, or both?

00:03:50.840 A bit of both.

00:03:51.660 Of course, the Israeli ingenuity never ceases to, you know, impress me and amaze me.

00:03:58.560 Although I must say, if you remember, I think it was 2010,

00:04:02.000 there was an attack of sharks in Shad al-Sheikh in Egypt that was blamed on the Israelis.

00:04:09.480 So I worry that this pager attack will lead to a whole bunch of new conspiratorial theories

00:04:15.780 against the evil Israelis. 1.00

00:04:17.460 So brace yourself, the conspiracies are coming. 0.97

00:04:21.000 Well, you know, we've heard the Zionist squirrels from Iran, 1.00

00:04:24.540 the Zionist falcons from Turkey, the Zionist sharks from Egypt. 0.83

00:04:28.180 I mean, we've been very, very busy when it comes to these Zionist spy animals. 1.00

00:04:33.240 So we had to upgrade to the pagers.

00:04:35.860 But back to Lebanon, I mean, we see that the Islamic Republic of Iran,

00:04:40.080 they've been sort of an occupier of Lebanon.

00:04:42.560 They've really destabilized the country, caused so much suffering through their proxy Hezbollah, 1.00

00:04:47.720 and they've destabilized so much in the entire region.

00:04:50.440 Why is it so difficult for those in the West to accept that this is the reality in the Middle East,

00:04:56.400 or accept that sometimes force is needed in order to stop these jihadist organizations? 0.82

00:05:04.540 Because it's a combination of exactly the parasitic mind, 0.79

00:05:08.800 which, you know, parasitic ideas destroy our ability to think properly.

00:05:13.460 My next book, Suicidal Empathy, completes the story by then arguing what happens when your emotional system is parasitized.

00:05:22.560 So if I can zombify your ability to think and your ability to feel,

00:05:28.120 then I have completely captured you.

00:05:29.920 And so what happens in this case, to your question,

00:05:32.800 you know, the noble Muslims are always the peaceful victims, 1.00

00:05:37.880 even though in every country that Islam leads, the religious minorities end up suffering.

00:05:44.360 But according to our Western, you know, bien pensant, as we say in French, 0.99

00:05:48.960 the politically correct thinkers, it is always the nasty, colonizing Jews that are the mean ones. 1.00

00:05:56.520 And so it simply can't be inherently that beautiful, peaceful Muslim people could ever cause instability. 0.98

00:06:02.860 And that's what is being taught in universities.

00:06:05.720 And so it doesn't surprise me that people are unable to understand the reality of the geopolitics of the region.

00:06:12.760 Well, we'll get to suicidal empathy in a bit, but I do want to talk first about the parasitic mind.

00:06:17.800 I mean, in the book, you warn that Western civilization is essentially on life support.

00:06:23.140 Would you say that the Hamas support that we've seen in the streets of the West 0.66

00:06:26.760 is a symptom of this sort of late stage cultural collapse?

00:06:30.660 And if so, is there a cure for these parasitic ideas that have taken root?

00:06:38.300 I mean, of course, what we're seeing in terms of the pro-Hamas stuff is a manifestation of parasitized thinking.

00:06:45.060 Look, I think that there is a cure, but the problem is that for me to be able to administer vaccine to you,

00:06:52.620 you have to be willing to come to the station and receive the vaccine.

00:06:56.400 And so what ends up often happening is that people go, la, la, la, I don't want to hear it.

00:07:01.240 And so my attempts to try to shift you from your anchored positions fall on deaf ears, literally.

00:07:07.720 So in the abstract, I think that there is a way to alter people's thinking.

00:07:14.100 But it's really, really a difficult thing.

00:07:15.880 I mean, about a year ago, I was invited on a show hosted by a British psychiatrist.

00:07:21.020 And at the end of the show, he asked me, in your 30 plus years as a professor,

00:07:25.360 what has been the thing that has most surprised you about, you know, human nature?

00:07:30.100 And so I paused for a second and I said, probably the inability to get someone to change their opinion once it is deeply anchored.

00:07:39.340 And so while on the one hand, I wake up every morning hopeful that I can change people's opinions.

00:07:45.460 On the other hand, I realize that it's a Herculean task.

00:07:48.840 Now, you are living in Canada where we've seen enormous pro-Hamas demonstrations.

00:07:53.820 We've seen an influx of IRGC terrorists.

00:07:57.060 We've seen many cowardly responses from the government, the Trudeau government before.

00:08:02.040 Is Canada uniquely weak when it comes to confronting this radicalism?

00:08:08.080 It is uniquely weak in that, you know, on the woke meter, it scores very, very highly.

00:08:15.540 Some of the other ones perhaps might be Sweden could originally, one could have argued was, you know, pretty high on the woke meter.

00:08:22.040 But Justin Trudeau, who's no longer prime minister, but was for nine years, is a walking manifestation of every parasitic idea that I discuss in the parasitic mind, right?

00:08:34.560 He's a postmodernist.

00:08:36.060 He's a proud feminist.

00:08:37.860 He's a cultural relativist.

00:08:39.600 So, for example, Justin Trudeau, when the previous prime minister, Stephen Harper, had said that in Canada,

00:08:45.920 we will not tolerate barbaric acts like child brides and honor killings and female genital mutilation.

00:08:53.400 Justin Trudeau, who was then just a member of parliament, wasn't angry by the barbaric acts.

00:08:59.040 He was angry that you would call them barbaric acts, which is exactly what cultural relativism is.

00:09:05.060 So there is a unique feature about the Canadian ethos that makes us more likely to succumb to many of these parasitic ideas.

00:09:13.080 Unfortunately, yes.

00:09:13.900 Well, you've often referred to universities as breeding grounds for lunacy.

00:09:18.840 I don't think that's any more apparent than today.

00:09:21.280 Why have a lot of these Western academic institutions once devoted to learning, to reason,

00:09:27.080 why have they become echo chambers for anti-Westernism, to this victimhood ideology, the woke ideology?

00:09:34.040 And is there any way to bring sanity back to campuses specifically?

00:09:38.040 I mean, you mentioned how in order to get the vaccine, you have to be willing to come to the clinic.

00:09:42.040 Can we do that with universities?

00:09:45.340 I mean, I certainly hope so.

00:09:47.280 Otherwise, there wouldn't be a point for me to get out of bed.

00:09:49.880 But I do think that it's going to be a long battle.

00:09:54.320 And so many people write to me and say, hey, Professor Saad, now that Donald Trump is in power,

00:09:59.800 are we going to be done with all of this craziness?

00:10:02.280 And I say, absolutely not.

00:10:04.340 It's wonderful that he came to power and that the alternative would have only worsened the reality.

00:10:11.180 But it took 50 to 100 years, to your question, it took about 50 to 100 years for many of these parasitic ideas to be spawned on university campuses

00:10:19.840 and then to eventually become our prime ministers and our leaders and so on.

00:10:23.620 So it's not going to be a magical vaccine where in four years that Donald Trump is in power, we're certainly going to have everything eradicated.

00:10:31.920 So it's going to be a long battle.

00:10:33.940 I do think that we can, you know, regain sanity.

00:10:37.220 But please don't be complacent.

00:10:39.420 It doesn't all begin and end with Donald Trump.

00:10:41.820 Now, speaking of the universities, I have to ask, have you personally faced pushback from within academia for challenging this sort of ideological orthodoxy that we see on campus?

00:10:53.640 I mean, even as a student, I got some grief for pushing back.

00:10:56.600 So I can only imagine what you've gone through as an actual professor on some of these campuses.

00:11:01.960 I mean, you were at Concordia.

00:11:03.320 This was one of the worst when it comes to this support of jihadism.

00:11:07.060 I was there just a few months ago.

00:11:09.060 Absolute chaos.

00:11:10.420 What's your experience been?

00:11:12.820 Oh, it hasn't been easy.

00:11:15.120 I mean, thank God that I've got a thick skin and thank God that I'm a combative guy, because otherwise I think I would have wilted decades ago.

00:11:23.160 Look, one of the reasons, the main reason why I'm currently a visiting professor in Michigan is precisely to your point.

00:11:30.260 It was becoming just impossible to be a high profile Jewish professor at Concordia.

00:11:35.680 Concordia has been referred to colloquially as Gaza University well before October 7th.

00:11:42.320 I mean, decades before.

00:11:43.800 Benjamin Netanyahu was deplatformed in 2002.

00:11:48.020 So this is now 23 years ago.

00:11:50.380 So the dynamics that we're seeing on university campuses or that people are waking up to today have been festering for decades.

00:11:59.080 So it's not been easy.

00:12:00.400 But I persist, I persevere, and eventually truth and decency will win.

00:12:05.220 Well, let's hope so.

00:12:06.420 Certainly with these funding cuts, they're going a little bit closer in the right direction.

00:12:11.220 And speaking of all of this chaos on campus, I mean, you've been a very fierce defender for many years of truth, of free speech.

00:12:18.280 But this is the same defense that we're seeing some use to defend support for jihadist terrorism on campus.

00:12:26.120 I mean, I'll leave Israel out of the equation. 1.00

00:12:27.740 It's actually support for terrorism.

00:12:30.080 Mahmoud Khalil, of course, being a great example.

00:12:33.240 How do you respond to those defending these Hamas supporters on campus with the free speech arguments?

00:12:38.680 Well, the academic leftists have never found a nasty person that they weren't willing to put all of their empathy and love towards, right?

00:12:50.540 It could have been Mao Zedong.

00:12:52.080 It could have been the Cambodian Khmer Rouge.

00:12:54.700 It could have been anybody, right?

00:12:55.860 I mean, the more they hate the West, the more they're going to support them.

00:13:00.800 Look, I am a free speech absolutist.

00:13:03.600 And I'm right now appearing on Israeli TV.

00:13:05.700 So hopefully this doesn't shock people what I'm about to say.

00:13:08.680 Someone with my background and with my fierce defense of the Jewish people and Israel and so on still defends the right of Holocaust deniers to spew their nonsense.

00:13:19.520 So in that sense, I'm a free speech absolutist.

00:13:22.800 But that doesn't mean that you're allowed to incite direct violence against Jews, right? 0.99

00:13:28.540 You could say Judaism is horrible.

00:13:30.660 You could say the Holocaust never happened. 0.99

00:13:32.620 You couldn't say anything more offensive and insulting than that. 1.00

00:13:36.480 But in a free society, you have to tolerate the idiots and the racists and the anti-Semites. 1.00

00:13:41.900 But what many of those jihadi guys do goes well beyond free speech absolutism, right? 1.00

00:13:47.380 When you are imploring intifada and global jihad and free, free Palestine, you are inciting direct violence.

00:13:56.040 So this is probably where I would draw the line. 0.99

00:13:58.340 Yes, hate the Jews if you want. 0.99

00:14:00.060 But that doesn't give you the right to call for their extermination.

00:14:03.560 Well, I think even further than calling, and at least in some of these cases, like with Khalil, it wasn't really about what he said.

00:14:09.660 It's about what he did.

00:14:11.260 It's that they actually held these protests that they took over building.

00:14:14.860 So I think it's a little bit disingenuous, at least in my view, to say that this is a free speech issue, even if one is a free speech absolutist like you're mentioning.

00:14:26.000 I want to talk a little bit about the idea of this woke ideology that we're hearing so much about on campus.

00:14:32.840 And I want to ask you your opinion, why is there this connection between this sort of progressive cult of the woke ideology that's taken root in these campuses and anti-Semitism and totalitarian ideologies?

00:14:50.260 Well, I alluded to this in, I think, my previous answer.

00:14:54.980 The left despises the West. 0.68

00:14:58.160 Islam despises the West. 1.00

00:15:00.120 They each, for different reasons, wish to bring down the current system.

00:15:05.260 And so let's lay in bed together for a while, and then later we will decide who ends up winning.

00:15:10.820 And so this is the really orgiastically evil union of two groups that are equally committed to the destruction of the West.

00:15:20.400 By the way, in my latest book, my previous book on happiness, I talk about political orientation and happiness. 0.72

00:15:26.800 And I argue that one of the reasons why research consistently finds that conservatives are happier than the progressives, progressives wake up every day with the idea that the current system that they live under is transphobic, Islamophobic, hateful.

00:15:42.620 It's the patriarchy.

00:15:43.580 So just around the corner, there's going to be unicornia.

00:15:47.300 And so if we dismantle the current system, finally, inshallah, we could have peace and love.

00:15:53.540 Well, Islam also believes that. 0.64

00:15:55.320 That's why when Islam goes to a new land, it destroys all of the lyrics of the previous society, right? 1.00

00:16:04.320 All the artifacts, the Buddhist statues.

00:16:07.380 And so in that sense, both of these ideologies share their common animus towards the West.

00:16:14.780 Now, I said I would talk about suicidal empathy, so I'm going to ask you, can you just explain a little bit about what this is and maybe even give a couple of examples of how prevalent it's become, especially in the aftermath of October 7th, just in recent months?

00:16:29.360 Right. So let me first begin with an analogy. Obsessive-compulsive disorder is a psychiatric disorder, but that is rooted in an otherwise evolutionary beneficial process.

00:16:42.940 So the idea that I should scan the environment for threats, if I meet you and you sneeze in your hand and then you shake my hand, I might quietly go to the bathroom to wash my hands because I don't want to catch your cold.

00:16:56.860 That makes perfect evolutionary sense.

00:16:58.580 If I now spend eight hours in the bathroom cleaning my hands until my skin starts falling off, that becomes a manifestation of germ contamination OCD.

00:17:09.240 So what started as an adaptive process becomes maladaptive when it misfires.

00:17:15.560 And so I use this exact idea to argue that, of course, empathy is a beautiful and noble emotion.

00:17:22.640 Empathy is necessary for a social species like Homo sapiens, so that's fine.

00:17:27.700 The problem is when empathy misfires, when it becomes hyperactive, when it targets the wrong targets of empathy.

00:17:37.760 No, I shouldn't have more empathy for MS-13 gang members coming in from El Salvador illegally than I should have for American vets who lost their legs fighting for my country.

00:17:48.960 In a dream world, I should provide empathy to everyone, but we exist in the real world where there are trade-offs and therefore it makes sense that my emotional system would be strategic in how it mets out empathy.

00:18:03.900 If there are two children that are about to be hit by a bus, no one would say that I'm evil if I were to worry more about my biological child than the random child.

00:18:16.060 I would love to save both of them, but if given a choice, I'm likely to choose my biological child.

00:18:21.880 That doesn't make me evil, it makes me a Darwinian being.

00:18:24.960 And so the entire book looks at that misfiring of empathy, and then it argues that many of our domestic policies and foreign policies arise as a result of this misguided, misplaced empathy.

00:18:39.160 Now, I want to ask you something a little bit different about Israeli society.

00:18:43.640 You mentioned your earlier book about happiness.

00:18:46.520 Israel consistently ranks as one of the happiest countries in the world, and this is, of course, despite the fact that we have endless terrorism,

00:18:54.380 that we've been fighting for our existence for 74, 75-plus years, and even before that, fighting to return to our homeland here in the land of Israel.

00:19:03.780 How do you explain that a country that's under so much attacks constantly, both diplomatically, physically, mentally, in every single way,

00:19:13.560 how do we still have such a happy society, and what's your advice going forward in the post-October 7th reality that's become such a challenge for the Israeli society?

00:19:23.340 So I think one of the reasons why Israel, I mean, not Israeli academics, I think they are just as prone to be parasitized as other academics,

00:19:32.420 but the reason why the larger Israeli society seems to be a bit more inoculated, if not a lot more inoculated, to these parasitic ideas

00:19:41.060 is because you can't afford the luxury to succumb to, you know, suicidal empathy and parasitic thinking

00:19:48.320 when you are in such a dangerous and nasty neighborhood.

00:19:51.260 It kind of distills your focus to focus on the really important things.

00:19:55.320 And so I think by that same mechanism, because Israelis are facing existential threats every day coming at you from every corner,

00:20:05.240 when I now go to the beach in Kikar Atarim, I might actually enjoy that time there because I realize what's awaiting.

00:20:13.780 It really causes me to have this existential gratitude.

00:20:17.380 So I suspect that that might be one of the reasons why Israelis are so happy.

00:20:21.120 They wake up every day.

00:20:22.220 I'm still alive.

00:20:23.100 Thank God.

00:20:23.540 Also, it helps that Israelis are gorgeous people.

00:20:27.160 The times that I have visited Israel, when I see the mix of the races between the Mizrahi Jew and the Ethiopian Falasha girl and this,

00:20:36.320 how could you not be happy looking at all of these beautiful people?

00:20:39.880 It's true.

00:20:40.300 Israel does have a very good-looking population overall.

00:20:43.820 That's absolutely true.

00:20:45.140 It's interesting to see the comparison when you look at the norm for happiness or lack thereof in many other Arab countries.

00:20:52.560 I mean, we see a lot of the opposite, even sometimes in very wealthy Arab countries. 0.99

00:20:57.880 Aside from war, what is your take on this?

00:21:00.200 Would you tie that back to what you mentioned before about this ideology where, you know,

00:21:05.440 there's always something better that you can't really live in the moment and appreciate what you have?

00:21:09.840 Well, and the fact that if you don't have the most basic freedom, so in many Islamic countries, you know, the most basic sexual impulses that people have are difficult to ever explore because you have such segregated societies.

00:21:26.700 You can't even look at a woman, talk to a woman. 1.00

00:21:30.680 And so anything, any ideology that reduces my personal freedom, my personal dignity, my personal agency, it doesn't take a fancy professor to tell you that it's probably not going to lead to downstream happiness.

00:21:43.820 And so if there is a way for us to free the region from all of these ideological shackles, the potential, the human potential in the Middle East is truly infinite.

00:21:55.800 So I'm hopefully optimistic.

00:21:57.860 I want to ask you about what you referred to a little bit before, and that is the concept of luxury beliefs that we don't have in Israeli society here, but we see so prevalently on campuses in particular.

00:22:10.120 We're at a very interesting time when the threats that face Israel, in fact, do threaten the United States and some of the most powerful, well-armed countries in the world, specifically with the Islamic regime in Iran. 0.85

00:22:23.260 And I'm wondering how, what your advice would be to speaking to students or community members in the Western world who don't realize that that is a luxury belief they have, that those things aren't going to affect them.

00:22:36.300 How do you, how do you show people that this actually is an urgent issue? 0.99

00:22:42.780 It's one of the great challenges because regrettably, the architecture of the human mind prefers to ignore problems until it really, forgive me for saying, bites you in the ass, right? 0.99

00:22:54.820 So there is no diabetes until I get diabetes. 0.99

00:22:58.740 Until then, it's just some abstract disease that's over there.

00:23:02.060 Other people get it, but I don't get it.

00:23:04.100 Because, look, life is scary, and so it's better to just put your head in the sand, as I explain in the parasitic mind.

00:23:11.920 I call it ostrich parasitic syndrome, right?

00:23:14.600 The ostrich brigade.

00:23:16.900 The ostrich brigade, thank you.

00:23:18.680 And so it's very, very hard to get people to pay attention, even if the problem is only next street, but it's not on this street.

00:23:27.140 So I think we'll be okay.

00:23:29.680 This is why I do what I do.

00:23:31.380 This is why I write the books that I do.

00:23:33.100 This is why I accept lovely invitations like yours, because I hold out hope that by consistently speaking, I can get people to pay attention before it actually does bite them in the rear end.

00:23:44.640 All right, and just for fun, as a last question, if you had to choose one idea pathogen to exile to a remote island where it could do no harm, what would it be?

00:23:55.500 And you could only choose one.

00:23:56.800 I think I know what you're going to choose just based on your earlier answers.

00:23:59.900 Would it be postmodernism, DEI and all its associated bureaucracy, or Justin Trudeau?

00:24:06.660 Well, I don't know what your answer would be, but if I answer seriously, it would actually be postmodernism, because postmodernism, I refer to it as the granddaddy of all parasitic ideas, because it is the framework that allows all of the other parasitic ideas to flourish, because it purports that there are no objective truths other than the one objective truth that there are no objective truths.

00:24:33.160 That's what then allows people to say, men are women, up is down, Jews are evil, left is right, slavery is freedom. 0.80

00:24:40.920 And so it is that nihilistic intellectual terrorism framework of postmodernism that leads to all the others.

00:24:48.940 So let's exile that to the island to never be seen again.

00:24:52.940 All right, I was going to guess Justin Trudeau, because it incorporates everything.

00:24:56.980 But, you know, I'll let you, you made a good case for postmodernism.

00:25:00.100 All right, well, we are unfortunately out of time, but I want to thank you so much for joining us today.

00:25:05.780 And I want to encourage all of our viewers to go out and purchase actually all of your books.

00:25:10.640 Everything I've read are fantastic.

00:25:12.460 Follow him on social media, everything.

00:25:14.680 And of course, if you're here in Israel, you can now buy The Parasitic Mind in Hebrew as well.

00:25:19.100 It is available here in Israel.

00:25:21.080 Thank you so much for joining us today, Dr. Gad Saad.

00:25:24.620 Thank you, it's a pleasure.

00:25:25.680 Cheers.

00:25:25.840 Cheers.

00:25:30.100 Cheers.

00:25:31.100 Cheers.

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - May 02, 2025

Discussing the Middle East on Israeli TV (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_831)

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