The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Discussing the State of the World One Year After Charlie Kirk's Passing (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_1047)

00:00:00.000 Today marks one year since conservative activist and founder of Turning Point USA father and

00:00:09.320 husband Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And in looking at the state of American civil society

00:00:15.600 right now, it seems like absolutely nothing has changed. In fact, it seems things have only gotten

00:00:21.720 worse. Sure, Utah Valley University canceled classes for a day of healing, but that's the

00:00:28.540 very least they could do, considering that's the campus where the assassination took place.

00:00:33.240 At the same time, students for a democratic society are protesting at the UCCU Center

00:00:38.940 on the UVU campus, where TPUSA will be holding an event to honor Kirk on the campus where he was

00:00:45.040 murdered. They claim nearly 700 community members, including nearly 500 students, support them in

00:00:50.800 their protest against racism, homophobia, bigotry, and hate. This, of course, is the

00:00:58.240 same group that, according to its Instagram biography, is bringing together students to

00:01:03.840 create positive change to UVU with a smiley face. Meanwhile, Andy Ngo, the independent

00:01:11.760 journalist, highlighted a post about a zombie walk at an ice facility in Portland, Oregon.

00:01:17.080 The point of the event is to dress up as a zombie version of Kirk,

00:01:21.320 complete with a red dot on their necks, symbolizing how Kirk was killed.

00:01:26.000 Also in Portland, a tattoo artist is offering $50 neck tattoos to, quote,

00:01:31.240 celebrate Kirk's assassination, which is called the Kirkiversary.

00:01:35.460 Georgetown University students joked about hosting a lookalike contest for Charlie Kirk,

00:01:39.740 and the gay news site Pink News was more concerned about the backlash they were receiving.

00:01:44.500 In the year since Charlie Kirk was killed, his death has been memed, his name has been turned into slang,

00:01:51.520 and Hassan Piker, who once shared a stage with Kirk, mocked his death.

00:02:14.500 And conservatives went from getting people fired from their government jobs

00:02:22.940 for mocking Kirk's assassination to having to pay the people who were fired.

00:02:28.620 This is a culture where not only are people allowed to mock someone's assassination

00:02:32.400 for standing up simply for traditional American values,

00:02:35.660 but they are rewarded if anyone dares to reprimand them with your tax money.

00:02:40.380 This, today, is a culture where people who shared a stage with someone who was killed

00:02:45.660 are then able to joke about their death just a few months later,

00:02:49.060 even though they were just expected to see each other again a few days after the assassination.

00:02:53.160 And the worst part of all this is the people who are attacking Kirk

00:02:56.140 think they're doing it because they're standing up for obsessed, oppressed people.

00:03:01.920 Take former Representative Crockett, for instance.

00:03:04.520 Because the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk continuously put out there

00:03:09.060 was rhetoric that specifically targeted people of color and so it is unfortunate that even our

00:03:15.700 colleagues could not see how harmful his rhetoric was specifically to us and I can tell you that a

00:03:22.740 month prior to him passing away he had actually gotten out on his podcast I wasn't aware of this

00:03:28.160 at the time but he got out there and he was talking negatively about me directly so if there

00:03:34.200 was any way that I was going to honor somebody who decided that they were just going to negatively

00:03:38.500 talk about me and proclaim that I was somehow involved in the great white replacement.

00:03:44.660 Yeah, I'm not honoring that kind of stuff.

00:03:46.720 This shouldn't be surprising when it's the same culture that believes in hashtag same

00:03:51.540 Lindsay for child murdering nurse Clancy and the same culture that has obsessed rabid

00:03:57.880 fangirls proposing marriage to murderer Luigi Mangione and supports policies that lead to

00:04:03.960 things like mass third world migration, causing people, young girls, young women to be raped and 0.98

00:04:09.160 murdered. What's going on here? What does this say about our society right now? Well, our next 0.79

00:04:14.040 guest wrote an entire book on the matter. In fact, you've heard the phrase suicidal empathy.

00:04:20.440 He coined that term in his book, suicidal empathy, dying to be kind. Dr. Gad Saad,

00:04:25.800 welcome to the program. Doctor, it's so good to see you again. A sad day to be looking back upon,

00:04:31.740 but I'm sad to say, even more sad to say, that our society does not seem to have improved

00:04:37.600 when it comes to the comrades over there on the far left. What's going on? Indeed, great to be

00:04:44.160 with you again. It's exactly as you said. It's the pathologizing of an otherwise beautiful virtue,

00:04:53.000 empathy. There's nothing wrong with being empathetic. As a matter of fact, we expect

00:04:57.620 our spouses to be empathetic, our best friends, our physicians, our therapists, our veterinarians.

00:05:03.480 But like Aristotle explained to us several thousand years ago, too little of something is not good.

00:05:09.480 Too much of something is not good. And much of life is about finding that middle sweet spot.

00:05:13.920 So if I have no empathy, I'm likely a psychopath. If I have too much empathy, if it hyper activates,

00:05:21.460 but then here comes the important part for the examples you gave. And if it activates in the

00:05:26.040 wrong context, toward the wrong targets, you end up with suicidal empathy. So just to add to the

00:05:33.140 examples that you came up with, and there are a million others that I cover in the book, when a

00:05:38.120 rape victim ends up being incredibly empathetic towards her rapist, that's suicidal empathy. 0.70

00:05:47.040 When queers for Palestine are queer, and yet they support Gaza rather than Tel Aviv, 0.85

00:05:54.480 a very queer-friendly place, that's suicidal empathy. So just like, take for example, cancer. 0.92

00:06:00.900 Both healthy cells divide and multiply, and cancer divides and multiplies of cells. But in the case

00:06:09.780 of cancer, it hyperactivates. There is no stopping mechanisms of the cell division. This is what's

00:06:16.800 happening with runaway suicidal empathy. It is runaway suicidal empathy, but it

00:06:21.880 transmogrifies into something even more sinister. And that's what we're seeing in these reactions

00:06:28.120 and these celebrations of Charlie Kirk and his death, his assassination, his killing,

00:06:34.540 his brutal murder. No empathy for the people who actually suffer, and instead a celebration

00:06:42.320 of the very thing that causes suffering in others. So it is very politically driven. It's

00:06:48.820 divided on a left-right spectrum, I don't think you can easily point to examples on the right

00:06:55.620 that act this way. You're exactly right. People say, oh, but your books are simply about

00:07:03.200 criticizing the left and never the right. It's not as though people on the right can't also

00:07:09.840 engage in faulty thinking, but the specific forms of faulty thinking and faulty emotional systems

00:07:18.140 that we are currently seeing.

00:07:19.460 So for example, in my earlier book,

00:07:21.220 The Parasitic Mind,

00:07:22.980 I talked about how human minds

00:07:25.360 can be parasitized by idea pathogens,

00:07:28.180 by ideological brain worms.

00:07:29.820 Well, each of those parasitic ideas 0.93

00:07:32.320 stem from the university campuses.

00:07:35.760 Professors are overwhelmingly leftist.

00:07:38.800 So it is a malady of the left

00:07:40.960 that says nothing about the fact

00:07:42.700 that right-leaning people

00:07:44.400 could also engage in faulty thinking.

00:07:46.260 but this specific form of civilizationally threatening faulty thinking stems strictly

00:07:53.620 from the left. What do you make of all of this, though? I think maybe some portions of how the

00:08:01.040 left has reacted here or how they've handled this tragedy are somewhat predictable. You knew Charlie,

00:08:09.220 you used to go on his show all the time, and you've had some amazing conversations with him.

00:08:16.260 Your thoughts on how a year after his tragic assassination, there isn't more self-awareness

00:08:26.780 here as to how this all looks from the outside.

00:08:30.540 Right.

00:08:30.780 So, look, there are tons of people that write all sorts of incredibly hateful things about

00:08:36.760 me.

00:08:37.440 But being a human being with a moral compass, I would not celebrate were they to be killed

00:08:44.300 Because I could immediately invoke my well-calibrated empathy and say, well, wait a minute, this hater that spends all his days hurling insults at me has a wife, has a daughter, has a son.

00:08:57.160 Therefore, I'm able to put myself in the mind and in the shoes of the other and I understand their pain and I feel their pain.

00:09:05.340 That's called a well-functioning, well-calibrated empathy module.

00:09:10.100 The people on the left are unfortunately exhibiting, and let me very briefly here explain the difference between two ethical systems.

00:09:17.440 Deontological ethics are absolute statements.

00:09:19.800 So, for example, if I say it is never okay to lie, that would be a deontological statement.

00:09:25.720 Consequentialism would say it's okay to lie if you're trying to spare someone's feelings.

00:09:31.220 Well, when it comes to killing our political opponents, that should be a deontological no-no.

00:09:38.180 Under no circumstances should it be okay for me to look to kill my opponent.

00:09:44.920 The left, on the other hand, applies a consequentialist ethos.

00:09:49.460 It's okay to get rid of Charlie Kirk because he was spreading such hatred in the world

00:09:54.800 that it makes perfect sense for us to get rid of him.

00:09:58.180 This kind of shifting from deontological principles to consequentialism is very, very dangerous.

00:10:04.480 it seems to me there's just no and this might be ironic to say coming you know in in referring to

00:10:12.560 a group that is all about modernist thinking and my truth is this truth but it feels like also at

00:10:18.760 the same time you have this one leftist radical mind that says i have a truth you have a truth

00:10:26.240 we all have different truths where there is no objective truth at the same time contradictorily

00:10:32.020 perhaps they don't have this ability to have any middle ground there's other there's either they're

00:10:37.940 extremely empathetic they don't want to kill a fly they're going to go vegan or they're out there

00:10:43.140 killing people and it maybe those are just the ones that make the news but it seems to me from

00:10:49.300 a from a psychological standpoint that defines this group it's one way to delineate them from

00:10:57.700 the rest of the regular population. Right. I mean, you could apply what you just said to

00:11:02.500 countless other examples of orgiastic cognitive inconsistencies. How could you be a radical

00:11:09.640 feminist who spends your day complaining about the patriarchy, but then when it comes to six 1.00

00:11:16.780 foot four Linda, who yesterday was called Bubba and has a nine inch penis, you're supposed to let 1.00

00:11:23.600 her in with your daughter who is 13 years old. How could you from this side of your mouth be 1.00

00:11:29.940 so against the patriarchy and against, you know, all of the male violence, but on this side of 0.96

00:11:35.640 your mouth, once Bubba becomes Linda, it is perfectly okay for her to be in the shower with

00:11:41.800 your 13-year-old daughter. So cognitive consistency is not a feature of those who have parasitized 0.60

00:11:48.740 minds. So diplomatically put. The other case that's just so shocking to the conscience for

00:11:57.800 many of us is watching the women come out of the woodwork and defend Lindsay Clancy,

00:12:06.680 Nurse Clancy, a woman who murdered her own children. Unthinkable to look at all the amazing

00:12:13.780 cases of amazing mothers who sacrifice for their children. They don't get that kind of attention. 0.55

00:12:19.580 They don't get those GoFundMe pages. Lindsay Clancy gets a million two, million three 0.99

00:12:24.700 raised for her GoFundMe. What's going on there? Yeah, it's astounding. I mean, it's the same

00:12:32.080 kind of general phenomenon as to why a serial killer gets hordes of women who are willing to

00:12:39.540 marry him while he's in prison. Right. Again, it's the misfiring of the empathy module. But

00:12:46.800 actually, it's it's it's great that you mentioned the Lindsay Clancy story, because just before I

00:12:51.540 came on your show, I posted a clip on my channel where I actually wanted to focus on the psychological

00:12:59.520 strength that the holdout juror must have had in order to be able to withstand all of them.

00:13:07.720 right? So I gave two comparisons. Number one, there's a great movie, probably my favorite

00:13:13.640 movie of all time from 1957 called 12 Angry Men, where you have 12 men that go, they're jurors,

00:13:20.160 and 11 of the 12 want to convict this young man, and only one holdout guy stands his ground,

00:13:26.840 and then eventually he's able to flip them. And the other example I gave is that my favorite

00:13:31.760 experiment of all time is one by Solomon Ash, where he showed that you can get people to flip

00:13:37.700 and go against their otherwise lying eyes for examples that clearly they should not be conforming

00:13:44.660 to group pressure. And so this guy, I mean, rather than worrying about all the degenerate women who 1.00

00:13:50.580 are saying, go, go, Lindsay Clancy, this guy should be receiving the Presidential Medal of

00:13:55.860 Freedom for having the cognitive strength to hold his ground. Moral strength. Dr. Gadsad,

00:14:05.360 It's always too little time with you, and I so appreciate our conversations.

00:14:09.920 Please come back soon.

00:14:11.980 In the meantime, to our viewers, check out Suicidal Empathy if you haven't already.

00:14:16.420 We appreciate it.

00:14:17.440 Thank you.

00:14:18.520 Thank you so much.

00:14:19.280 Cheers.

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The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - September 12, 2026

Discussing the State of the World One Year After Charlie Kirk's Passing (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_1047)

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