The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Exposing the Unexpected Science Behind Why Liberals Get Selfishness Wrong (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad

00:00:00.000 Yes, it would be great if Guatemalan immigrants had the same opportunities as people in the

00:00:05.160 US, but I don't give them higher, you know, on the pecking order than American vets who

00:00:12.000 went and lost limbs fighting wars to keep the United States free, right?

00:00:17.300 I would love for all children to be safe and happy, but I'm much more likely to jump in

00:00:24.240 front of a truck to save my own biological children than random children.

00:00:29.180 That doesn't make me a callous person.

00:00:31.320 It makes me an evolutionary animal that has evolved the strategic ability to met out my

00:00:37.940 investments in ways that advance my genetic interests.

00:00:41.640 That doesn't make me evil or diabolical, right?

00:00:44.360 It's called evolution.

00:00:45.160 It's a crazy world, crazy world, somebody's gotta have to save you.

00:00:52.740 It's a crazy world, it's a crazy world, somebody's gotta have to save you.

00:01:05.860 All right, Gad, not only do you get no introduction, but you said to me right before we begin, what

00:01:20.440 are we going to talk about?

00:01:22.340 And I said, you'll find out once the cameras are rolling.

00:01:24.440 They're rolling.

00:01:25.120 I've got stuff on this paper, but I guess before we do anything, how are you, my friend?

00:01:28.800 Welcome once again to the free state of Florida.

00:01:31.620 You have fled Canada, and here you are.

00:01:34.520 How's life?

00:01:35.220 How's life?

00:01:35.720 Life is good.

00:01:36.500 I don't know if you know, but I'm, I mean, while I'm living in Canada, I'm officially

00:01:40.400 affiliated with a school in Michigan for the next year, Northwood University.

00:01:44.640 They've given me all the freedom that I can hope for in order to be able to create and

00:01:49.560 produce work on my next book.

00:01:50.920 So I couldn't be happier other than to have the house right next to yours.

00:01:54.660 How does it feel to be out of Canada?

00:01:58.240 Because Canada is extremely weird right now.

00:02:00.380 I mean, every time I put you on the show, something weird is happening in Canada, but

00:02:03.780 it seems that the weirdness has sort of now overtaken the streets almost at a, and at an

00:02:08.700 endless level, particularly Montreal, where you guys are, but also Toronto and a couple

00:02:13.280 other places.

00:02:14.100 So many places, as you said, are very bad, but Montreal is certainly, arguably the worst

00:02:19.200 place for, at least from a Jewish perspective.

00:02:21.600 I just published an article in the New York post on the unique dynamics of antisemitism

00:02:29.440 in Montreal.

00:02:30.460 It's something that regrettably I've been warning about people for many, many years.

00:02:35.280 The writing was on the wall and it's really gotten now so bad that it really is a godsend

00:02:39.820 that I don't have to walk in on campus.

00:02:41.600 I'm not even sure how it would be possible to do it now.

00:02:44.140 Because your university, Concordia, is like kind of ground zero for this lunacy.

00:02:49.000 It really is.

00:02:49.580 So for at least 20 years, maybe more, it's been colloquially referred to as Gaza University.

00:02:55.900 So you may remember in 2002, Netanyahu was actually shut down.

00:02:59.700 Maybe one of the early cases of cancel culture.

00:03:02.440 At the time I was at UC Irvine, so I wasn't there on campus.

00:03:07.200 But this has been a brewing problem that the administration has chosen to ignore.

00:03:13.360 As a matter of fact, as I was trying to decide whether to take a leave and so on, one of

00:03:18.800 the senior administrators looked at me straight in the face and said, there's absolutely zero

00:03:22.960 Jew hatred at my university.

00:03:25.380 At our university, a few days later, the president of the university was summoned to Parliament

00:03:29.640 Hill to admit that there is Jew hatred.

00:03:32.540 So it's the old ostrich parasitic syndrome.

00:03:34.460 You bury your head in the sand and hopefully the problem will go away.

00:03:38.200 It doesn't.

00:03:38.580 Let me throw you a quick video of one of the protests in Canada.

00:03:42.080 I think if I heard what they said, they said, say God, say God.

00:04:03.920 So it's a religious cry.

00:04:06.620 And usually many of these religious cries end up downstream with bad things happening

00:04:11.960 to Jews.

00:04:12.940 Right.

00:04:13.180 So you're saying this stuff with a smile on your face and you usually have a smile on

00:04:17.360 your face and you wrote a book about happiness, but you've seen this before.

00:04:21.520 I mean, we've obviously been on the show a million times and people have heard your story

00:04:25.260 about growing up in Lebanon and surviving the civil war and everything else.

00:04:28.680 But what do you see as the future for Canada?

00:04:30.860 You know, America seems to be turning around right now.

00:04:33.060 We seem like we got to the precipice.

00:04:35.260 We looked into the abyss and we're coming back.

00:04:37.860 I don't see that moment for you guys.

00:04:40.020 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:04:41.660 You really needed a cataclysmic figure like Donald Trump to be able to turn things around.

00:04:47.840 Now, anybody who comes in is going to be better than Justin Trudeau.

00:04:52.120 So there is going to be an improvement of sorts, but it certainly will not be anything

00:04:56.900 like what Donald Trump has been able to now, you know, invigorate and so on.

00:05:01.540 And so I'm cautiously optimistic that things will improve.

00:05:05.460 But unfortunately, the demographic realities in Canada in general and in Quebec and Montreal

00:05:11.060 in particular are so astounding that I don't see how, I mean, it'll just be a slow walk into

00:05:18.960 the abyss of infinite lunacy, really.

00:05:20.580 That's got to be tough to sit with as a Canadian.

00:05:24.200 I mean, you lived through this once already.

00:05:26.460 I mean, Lebanon was a Christian country.

00:05:28.540 Within our lifetime, right?

00:05:30.320 Lebanon was about 65% Christian and now it's flipped the other way around.

00:05:36.460 It's about 65% Muslim.

00:05:38.260 And it didn't take 500 years.

00:05:40.600 It took, you know, 40, 50 years.

00:05:42.820 And so things can quickly change.

00:05:45.420 And usually you can predict, there's a book by a gentleman by the name of, he's a missionary

00:05:49.780 from Africa.

00:05:51.000 His name is Peter Hammond.

00:05:52.360 He wrote a book a few years ago where he looked at what happens to a society as a function of

00:05:58.120 the percentage of people who are of the Islamic faith.

00:06:02.100 You know, zero to 2% or they're just a exotic minority, three to 5%.

00:06:05.820 They're a bit more politically, you know, motivated, but they're still pretty quiet.

00:06:12.100 And you could just, you could predict it as quick, as easily as the trajectory of diabetes,

00:06:17.680 right?

00:06:18.040 With more Islam comes more problems.

00:06:20.860 And at one point you close your eyes, you open them.

00:06:23.220 And then the whole society is Islamic.

00:06:25.940 What would you do if you were prime minister of Canada?

00:06:29.040 So certainly no one can stay in Canada who does not share the foundational,

00:06:35.820 deontological principles of Canada, right?

00:06:38.400 So there can't be a two-tier system where we can criticize vigorously any religion except

00:06:44.640 one, because that would be Islamophobic.

00:06:47.520 There is a motion that was passed the table called M103 that, you know, can make it very

00:06:52.960 difficult to criticize Islam because you would be spreading hate and division and lack of

00:06:58.840 community cohesion.

00:06:59.760 And that was under Justin Trudeau.

00:07:01.260 So I would certainly halt immigration from any society that does not share our values.

00:07:09.100 Look, I'll give you an analogy from evolutionary psychology.

00:07:12.120 And when you're choosing a mate, one of the best ways to ensure that you're going to have

00:07:16.300 a successful marriage is what's called assortative mating, meaning birds of a feather flock together.

00:07:21.720 If I share the same values as my mate, I'm much more likely to have, it's not difficult to

00:07:26.840 understand, right?

00:07:27.680 Well, you could apply that exact same mechanism.

00:07:29.980 I call it cultural homophily, cultural liking of similar others, right?

00:07:34.600 So you're much more likely to integrate people from Denmark or Sweden or Estonia, not because

00:07:40.520 they may share your skin, you or not, but because they are likely to share some of those foundational

00:07:45.200 values that the West was built on.

00:07:48.080 Regrettably, many other societies don't.

00:07:50.060 And so I would certainly reduce that greatly, and I would very vigorously deport anyone who

00:07:56.020 adheres to those kinds of antithetical principles.

00:07:59.220 Do you think the average Canadian is just kind of sitting around like,

00:08:01.760 Trump save us at this point?

00:08:03.340 I mean, Trudeau showed up to Mar-a-Lago just a couple days ago and basically kissed the

00:08:08.040 ring, and now it sounds like even he's going to do something as it pertains to the border

00:08:12.600 and everything else.

00:08:13.700 I hate to say this because I like to always be smiling and optimistic, but I also like to

00:08:17.840 be truthful.

00:08:18.460 I'm not very optimistic for the following reasons.

00:08:21.680 So I can walk in my neighborhood in Montreal, which is, there are a lot of Jews, there are

00:08:26.800 a lot of people who support my message, who come up to me, who are fans.

00:08:31.500 Dear Dr. Saad, I love you for reasons X, Y, Z.

00:08:34.640 The next question I ask him, do you mind if I ask who you vote for?

00:08:38.160 Oh, I voted for the Liberal Party.

00:08:40.000 So that disconnect, I love you, Dr. Saad, but I voted for the Liberal Party, and I will continue

00:08:45.660 to do so for the next 17 generations, and there will never be any auto-correction in

00:08:50.540 my political voting behavior.

00:08:53.440 How could you resolve the problem if I can never get you to change your behavior?

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00:10:10.140 So do you see any way, I mean, not just with Canada,

00:10:13.120 but with, say, Germany and France and Denmark and some of these other countries going through this,

00:10:17.440 do you see any solution that ultimately is not violent to this?

00:10:22.420 Because it seems to me that the people who either have suicidal empathy

00:10:26.160 or ostrich parasitic syndrome, that it's almost too late.

00:10:30.960 It might have not been too late 10 years ago to have dealt with this appropriately.

00:10:34.240 But now, as you mentioned, it's a numbers game that I don't see a real way to get out of.

00:10:38.720 I don't either.

00:10:39.360 And when I, you know, you and I have known each other now for probably about a decade.

00:10:43.240 And certainly a decade before that, if not, if not more, I've been saying that if we continue

00:10:49.140 on this trajectory, we're going to have a repeat of the Beirut that I escaped.

00:10:53.980 And people would say, that's such an exaggeration.

00:10:56.380 That's so hyperbolic.

00:10:57.560 That's so silly.

00:10:58.400 I understand you had, you know, this childhood trauma, you know, don't project it onto the West.

00:11:03.140 It'll never happen.

00:11:03.880 Well, you have to have the imagination to be able to extrapolate these patterns, right?

00:11:08.880 It won't happen next year.

00:11:10.780 It won't happen in 10 years, but give it enough time and it has to happen.

00:11:14.620 There's no, right?

00:11:15.440 So we won't amputate your legs the first day you get diabetes,

00:11:19.620 but let it rage far enough and it will lead to the amputation of your limbs.

00:11:23.780 That's what's going to happen.

00:11:24.380 So what do you make about what happened here in America?

00:11:26.400 Because again, I think we really looked at the abyss and decided not to do it.

00:11:30.580 I think that's really what this election was.

00:11:32.940 So I'm very optimistic that, of course, I'm elated that Trump won,

00:11:37.040 but I keep right away, I started warning people, don't be complacent

00:11:41.760 because that could just be a little bleep, but then the wokester come back

00:11:45.800 even stronger than ever before.

00:11:47.940 So it took about 50 to 100 years for many of these cultural values to lead us to where we were.

00:11:53.340 Hopefully it won't take 50 to 100 years to reverse them, but it won't begin and end with Trump.

00:11:59.760 So evolutionarily, what do you do?

00:12:02.040 If you're on the winning side right now, which let's say we are,

00:12:05.640 people watching this are on the winning side of this thing,

00:12:07.660 we want to widen the tent as much as possible,

00:12:09.940 but we don't want to dilute it with, say,

00:12:12.380 the people that have been pushing all these bad ideas for so long.

00:12:15.640 How do you decide where to put the markers on that?

00:12:17.700 Because I've been seeing a lot of this lately.

00:12:19.080 Suddenly the progressives that had everything to do with all of this

00:12:22.440 are pretending they had nothing to do with it,

00:12:24.020 and they're trying to make amends.

00:12:25.120 I'm all about making amends, that's fine,

00:12:27.300 but I just don't know that we're there yet in the game.

00:12:29.940 Well, occasional cortex removed her pronouns, right?

00:12:32.920 Yeah.

00:12:33.500 So, by the way, I'm AOC for those who are not playing along with your humor.

00:12:38.400 But literally, I mean, right after the election, she removes her pronouns.

00:12:41.120 It's like, so what was this?

00:12:42.200 You're all going to pretend you had nothing to do with it.

00:12:43.580 Well, I mean, I think we've both used the term performative, right?

00:12:46.280 Yeah.

00:12:46.560 That demonstrates to you that it's perfect, right?

00:12:48.740 I didn't, in the darkness of the night when no one was looking,

00:12:52.100 remove tweets where I defended freedom of speech.

00:12:54.580 I defended them yesterday, I defend them today, and I'll defend them tomorrow.

00:12:58.000 Right.

00:12:58.180 If you truly have internalized those principles, you never take them off your bio.

00:13:02.840 They're part of your foundational principles.

00:13:05.020 So, the fact that she removed them exactly when she realized that the winds were changing

00:13:10.120 demonstrates that it's complete nonsense.

00:13:11.800 But to your point, and you're gracious to admit that, I think we have to have a door

00:13:18.280 for redemption for people, right?

00:13:19.940 If you say, nah, nah, nah, you lost, now get lost, that's probably not a good idea.

00:13:24.460 So, hopefully, we can strike the right balance between the righteous indignation that we felt,

00:13:30.240 but also being welcoming to those who want to join the tent.

00:13:33.760 Right.

00:13:33.960 And that's never easy when you've had people calling you a Nazi for 10 years and then suddenly

00:13:37.520 be like, okay, okay.

00:13:38.640 Because it's weird, because right now what seems to be happening is it's the people who

00:13:42.480 lost who are asking for unity.

00:13:44.860 And you'd think it would be the other way around, and yet there's a strange backwardness

00:13:48.900 to all of this.

00:13:49.700 And I love, speaking of sort of being gracious, although I think it was a bit Machiavellian,

00:13:53.880 the amount of, you know, glee by proxy that I felt when Mika and Morning Joe went down

00:14:01.880 to Mar-Lago to kiss the ring while he's kind of caressing their hair going, good boy,

00:14:06.940 good girl, I thought, oh man, I was happy all day long.

00:14:11.220 Right.

00:14:11.300 And all it does is it buys them maybe a couple more months of having the job until the network

00:14:15.140 gets sold or something like that.

00:14:16.600 But during those couple of months, they make more money than I make 10 years as a professor.

00:14:20.200 So, something is off in the cosmic justice.

00:14:22.280 Ah, therein lies the rub.

00:14:23.780 That's the, why didn't you become a cable news host?

00:14:26.780 Well, I'm hoping that our mutual friend Elon buys MSNBC and I get the nine o'clock slot.

00:14:33.040 What do you think is going on with Elon?

00:14:34.260 That's actually where I wanted to go next.

00:14:35.480 I mean, he's been a big supporter of yours and he's sharing your stuff all the time.

00:14:38.760 He's telling people to buy your books and all of those things.

00:14:41.260 This is a guy who was largely apolitical two years ago.

00:14:44.020 What do you make of sort of the psychological makeup of someone who goes all in to the extent

00:14:49.160 that he has?

00:14:50.860 So, Elon is a visionary, right?

00:14:52.380 He can put patterns together.

00:14:54.280 He can see where things are going.

00:14:55.900 And for various reasons, some of which are personal reasons that happen within his own

00:15:00.640 family's dynamic, which I think at first he shared it privately with some of us.

00:15:04.220 But I think now he's come out and shared it.

00:15:06.160 His son became his daughter and disavowed him and so on.

00:15:10.000 He suddenly was kind of awakened out of the stupor that many people had been in, right?

00:15:15.100 Where, you know, you're busy with your daily life and few people are as busy as Elon.

00:15:19.460 But when he saw the problem, when he recognized what it is, when he recognized some of the

00:15:25.860 people who are offering solutions, including yours truly, I think he went all in and that's

00:15:30.760 what makes him Elon.

00:15:31.960 But what do you think that is?

00:15:33.300 What do you think it is about him as a person?

00:15:35.680 Because a lot of people see the problems and they don't bury their head in the sand.

00:15:39.520 What do you think it is about the type of person?

00:15:41.840 I've been very interested in that lately because I'm seeing a lot of people suddenly wake up

00:15:45.480 to the things that we've been talking about for years.

00:15:47.600 And by the way, people were talking about them well before I was or you or anything else.

00:15:51.080 But the type of person who's just like, I see something, I'm going to do it.

00:15:55.340 So I'm going to, I recently did a clip on my show where I said, what do Elon Musk, Joe

00:16:02.900 Rogan and Donald Trump have in common?

00:16:04.700 Now, the premise of that show was authenticity, that they're all authentic.

00:16:10.060 But to your question, I think they're also all honey badgers, right?

00:16:13.520 And as we know, colloquially, honey badgers don't give a F, right?

00:16:17.960 So Elon sees it, to your point, just like others see it, but the others will modulate their

00:16:24.000 behavior.

00:16:25.060 But not, I mean, Elon not only has FU money, I mean, he's got cosmic FU money.

00:16:30.160 And so he doesn't need to modulate or temper his speech or his behavior.

00:16:35.220 Sure.

00:16:35.300 But plenty of people do.

00:16:36.320 And they, you know, I know several other billionaires and they're very quiet about all

00:16:40.240 of this stuff because they suddenly feel like they have more to lose than anyone else.

00:16:43.720 You don't want to mention any names, right?

00:16:45.340 No names.

00:16:45.860 Okay.

00:16:46.480 Although many of the...

00:16:47.760 I'm not talking about Teal, though, because everyone always thinks I'm talking about Teal.

00:16:50.300 But I'm trying to think who you mean.

00:16:51.780 He's on the Elon side.

00:16:52.760 But a lot of the...

00:16:53.660 This is not my term.

00:16:54.520 I heard it first from Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and maybe it's not her term, but a lot of the tech

00:16:59.300 bros have come around, right?

00:17:00.500 Yeah.

00:17:00.840 David Sachs and...

00:17:02.520 Well, it's easier now.

00:17:03.440 Sachs, I think, was one of the leaders of it, too.

00:17:05.300 Yeah.

00:17:05.620 But it's a hell of a lot easier.

00:17:07.060 But from your view, without mentioning any names, there are others that you would love

00:17:10.320 to see them throw their name into the...

00:17:12.780 Their hat into the arena, but they're not doing it?

00:17:14.920 Sure.

00:17:15.500 Well, or that are doing it now when it's safe.

00:17:18.560 And again, I want to be welcoming to all of that.

00:17:21.360 But I think there's...

00:17:22.140 I'm just curious about the psychological makeup.

00:17:24.160 You know, if you have two people who have the exact same bank statements and roughly the

00:17:28.160 same lives, yet one is willing to walk right into the fire, and the other one's always

00:17:32.420 waiting for the guy to walk into the fire.

00:17:34.240 I just think there's something interesting there.

00:17:35.220 Just honey badger.

00:17:35.840 They're absolute honey badger, right?

00:17:37.220 Joe Rogan does not...

00:17:39.320 And we both know him personally, he doesn't give a damn.

00:17:43.460 He won't modulate a single syllable to please or placate anybody.

00:17:48.880 Certainly Donald Trump doesn't.

00:17:50.440 First reaction of Donald Trump when he's shot in the head is fight, fight, fight.

00:17:53.780 So I think they all have those qualities.

00:17:56.380 And I always say, by the way, you know, the trajectory of history, whether it be for the

00:18:00.960 good or the bad, is always led by people who are not fence sitters, right?

00:18:05.800 It's not the equivocators and the let's see things on both sides.

00:18:09.540 It's the guys who see something for better or worse and say, I'm taking that road.

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00:19:39.900 What do you think all the craziness that we've seen

00:19:43.460 over the last couple of years means as it relates to truth in general?

00:19:46.680 It seems to me that this had to have happened.

00:19:49.500 That Trump losing or us all feeling like the West is done

00:19:53.140 and all freedom of speech is over and all these things,

00:19:55.860 it would have been so out of whack with truth

00:19:58.260 that it couldn't have worked in a way.

00:20:00.820 I mean that in sort of like an existential way.

00:20:02.900 Existential sense.

00:20:03.520 But it amazes me that we even got that far, right?

00:20:07.460 For some of your viewers who may not know

00:20:10.260 some of my previous interventions,

00:20:12.700 in 2017, both Jordan and I appeared

00:20:16.540 in front of the Canadian Senate separately on separate days

00:20:18.780 where we had to use all of our professorial expertise

00:20:23.360 to provide the imprimatur that,

00:20:26.940 no, no, there really is something called male and female.

00:20:29.920 In my case, I used the framework of evolutionary psychology.

00:20:34.840 And you had a bow tie on, if I'm not mistaken.

00:20:36.420 I did have a bow tie.

00:20:36.740 So you looked very professional.

00:20:38.180 That was good.

00:20:38.800 Indeed, thank you for remembering.

00:20:40.320 And by the way, well, I shouldn't mention this

00:20:41.860 because I don't usually release any images of my wife,

00:20:46.220 but you could see her in a few,

00:20:48.180 but people don't know that it's my wife.

00:20:49.860 Ah, well, you do realize we put this on the internet.

00:20:52.260 Oh, now I'm screwed.

00:20:53.240 Okay, well, that's okay.

00:20:54.180 But anyways, they're probably gonna see her tomorrow

00:20:56.140 at Mar-a-Lago, so anyways,

00:20:58.040 maybe the cat will be out of the bag.

00:20:59.260 Yeah, so the fact that in 2017,

00:21:02.580 we had to appear in front of,

00:21:04.860 I don't know if you actually watched my testimony.

00:21:07.120 Yeah, I know I did.

00:21:07.980 We played clips of it.

00:21:08.740 Oh, okay, but when they were asking me questions

00:21:12.840 after I gave my, the smugness, the obnoxiousness,

00:21:17.500 it's difficult to, you know,

00:21:19.020 if you told me that that was in the 16th century

00:21:21.500 when we were going to be throwing, you know,

00:21:24.040 prospective witches into the pool to see if they swim,

00:21:27.480 I would think it would be ridiculous.

00:21:29.740 And so to your point,

00:21:30.800 it shows you the fallibility of the human mind

00:21:34.220 that even in the 21st century,

00:21:35.860 once those parasitic ideas get in,

00:21:38.080 even the smartest of people can become.

00:21:39.780 So what does that tell you then about suicidal empathy

00:21:42.000 and sort of where,

00:21:43.940 or how it relates to groupthink in general,

00:21:47.140 that these people with a lot,

00:21:49.000 you know, they tell you how great they are

00:21:50.920 while they're also trying to get you fired

00:21:52.620 and all of these things.

00:21:53.280 They seemingly only surround themselves

00:21:55.540 with people who are exactly the same

00:21:57.060 and then also are always trying to take out

00:21:59.000 the rather mild-mannered professor

00:22:01.020 who's just saying there's differences

00:22:02.140 between boys and girls.

00:22:03.400 Exactly.

00:22:03.900 So I'll give you an example

00:22:05.540 that just happened a few days ago.

00:22:07.060 I put out a tweet, a post,

00:22:09.220 now we can't say tweet anymore,

00:22:10.580 a post where I said,

00:22:11.740 dear Donald Trump,

00:22:13.160 could you please invade Canada?

00:22:15.920 It won't require more than 10 to 15 men to do so.

00:22:21.520 Right?

00:22:22.160 There was a whole movement that was started,

00:22:25.440 undoubtedly including some of my colleagues,

00:22:28.000 seeking to have me fired from Concordia

00:22:31.840 because I'm a Canadian citizen

00:22:34.000 who's arguing for the overthrow

00:22:36.460 of the Canadian government.

00:22:37.980 Right.

00:22:38.300 When you have-

00:22:38.980 I'm calling for it,

00:22:40.100 but I'm not a Canadian.

00:22:40.920 There you go.

00:22:41.360 So to imagine that someone could be so unhinged,

00:22:45.360 so humorless.

00:22:46.280 I mean, if it wasn't already clear

00:22:48.520 that me saying to Donald Trump,

00:22:50.100 please invade Canada was a joke.

00:22:51.700 Right.

00:22:52.240 If I then add,

00:22:53.760 it won't take more than 10 to 15 soldiers to do so,

00:22:57.640 in what world should a professor

00:22:59.580 not realize that I'm being facetious?

00:23:01.740 But you can go and see many,

00:23:03.820 many taggings of my university

00:23:05.740 where they're saying,

00:23:06.560 how can you tolerate such a guy

00:23:09.080 who is seeking the overthrow of the government?

00:23:11.360 So the people that are going for you on this,

00:23:13.720 are you,

00:23:14.180 do you think they mean it?

00:23:15.920 Or do you think they believe

00:23:17.320 what they are saying?

00:23:18.820 Right.

00:23:19.280 So I'm of two minds.

00:23:21.760 And here,

00:23:22.180 let me introduce an evolutionary twist to it.

00:23:25.240 Robert Trivers,

00:23:26.320 has his name ever come up?

00:23:27.920 I don't think so.

00:23:28.620 Robert Trivers is,

00:23:29.780 I think he's still alive.

00:23:30.940 He's arguably one of the greatest evolutionary biologists

00:23:33.280 since Darwin.

00:23:34.220 That's saying a lot.

00:23:34.880 One of the theories that he came up with

00:23:37.340 was to explain why self-deception has evolved.

00:23:42.620 Why is it that human beings,

00:23:43.960 so to your question,

00:23:44.740 do I really believe my lies or not?

00:23:46.900 And he proposed an unbelievably elegant explanation

00:23:50.540 for self-deception.

00:23:52.160 So you and I are caught up

00:23:53.840 in an evolutionary arms race.

00:23:55.760 I'm trying to manipulate you

00:23:57.780 to serve my best interest.

00:23:59.360 And you're trying to read my cues

00:24:01.680 to see if I am trying to manipulate you or not.

00:24:04.320 Usually when we engage in deception,

00:24:06.620 there are micro cues that we emit

00:24:08.680 that allows my interlocutor

00:24:11.100 to know that I am BSing.

00:24:12.900 Now imagine if I could shut off

00:24:15.140 those cues of deception

00:24:16.520 so that you can no longer read them in me.

00:24:19.200 Well, the best way for me to shut those off

00:24:21.420 is to believe the lie first, right?

00:24:23.740 Or as we both are fans of...

00:24:26.100 It's not a lie if you believe it.

00:24:27.860 It's in my first book, by the way.

00:24:29.780 The Evolutionary Basis of Consumption.

00:24:31.360 And you're wearing velvet.

00:24:33.020 And I'm wearing...

00:24:33.680 You wanted to be ensconced in velvet.

00:24:35.220 I'm kind of...

00:24:36.340 You're basically the George Costanza

00:24:38.540 of our cultural revolution.

00:24:39.520 Thinner and taller.

00:24:41.220 And much better looking.

00:24:44.280 And with more hair.

00:24:44.680 That's what he would have said.

00:24:47.040 But no, but seriously,

00:24:48.380 so to your original question,

00:24:51.740 I think that consciously

00:24:55.040 they will tell you that they believe it.

00:24:58.220 And the deep recesses of their minds

00:25:00.960 when they put their head on the pillow

00:25:02.440 late at night,

00:25:03.820 they know they're full of BS.

00:25:05.980 So what does that tell you

00:25:07.060 about the type of people

00:25:07.860 that will literally,

00:25:09.080 in the name of tolerance,

00:25:10.580 import the people that will kill them?

00:25:12.160 I mean, what's the...

00:25:12.880 They're diabolical.

00:25:13.840 They're evil.

00:25:14.580 They're pigs.

00:25:16.080 They're buffoons.

00:25:17.100 They're imbeciles.

00:25:17.820 They're the Democrat Party.

00:25:19.200 They're Justin Trudeau.

00:25:20.240 I mean, that's history, right?

00:25:22.500 There's always two camps.

00:25:24.780 Truth and Light

00:25:25.700 and Debauchery and Degeneracy.

00:25:28.000 But at least

00:25:28.640 Biden has a part.

00:25:32.260 So we have that at least.

00:25:33.680 Well, that's a good philosophical question for you.

00:25:36.280 So, you know,

00:25:36.780 when I was covering it on the show,

00:25:38.040 there were sort of two pieces to this.

00:25:39.520 One is that his son has done terrible things.

00:25:42.600 I mean, you know,

00:25:43.260 beyond the firearm verification,

00:25:47.160 that that was clearly illegal,

00:25:49.000 you know, forging something.

00:25:50.280 And then obviously,

00:25:50.820 there's all the stuff with Burisma

00:25:51.800 and the smoking crack on camera.

00:25:53.180 And there's definitely some stuff

00:25:54.320 with prostitutes,

00:25:55.040 probably overstate.

00:25:55.860 There's a whole slew of things

00:25:57.300 that the son did, right?

00:25:58.360 And many of them are probably connected

00:26:00.060 to shady things that Joe Biden did.

00:26:01.820 And he also pretends he doesn't know anything

00:26:03.200 and all that stuff.

00:26:04.280 But it seemed like there were two pieces to it.

00:26:06.240 One piece was all the bad things that he did.

00:26:08.080 But what I saw most people focusing on

00:26:10.780 was that Joe lied about it.

00:26:13.820 I thought that was interesting.

00:26:15.460 You guys are still upset about this man lying.

00:26:17.920 I mean, everything about these people is a lie.

00:26:20.660 It's amazing.

00:26:20.980 So what do you do with that?

00:26:22.540 That we are surrounded.

00:26:24.000 I mean, maybe we're at the end of it now,

00:26:25.560 but we have been surrounded

00:26:26.620 by just like an endless clown car of liars.

00:26:29.440 Not just lies.

00:26:30.420 I mean, I truly,

00:26:31.260 earlier today,

00:26:32.140 I retweeted something about Biden.

00:26:33.860 And I said,

00:26:35.040 they're really,

00:26:35.580 they're a family of degenerates, right?

00:26:39.000 I mean, they exude, right?

00:26:40.500 I mean, you look at,

00:26:41.720 and again, look, I'm Canadian.

00:26:43.120 I don't need to keep reminding people that.

00:26:44.820 So I don't vote here.

00:26:46.460 I don't have a direct dog in the fight.

00:26:49.220 But if you're coming

00:26:50.260 with universalist principles,

00:26:52.540 you look at Trump's kids

00:26:54.260 and you look at Biden's kids, right?

00:26:56.620 You look at, you know,

00:26:57.500 who in Arabic,

00:26:58.340 you say shahsi,

00:26:59.200 like you have dignity and personhood.

00:27:01.580 Which family exudes that more?

00:27:03.980 And yet you've got all of my colleagues

00:27:06.160 who are supposed to have

00:27:07.180 the progressive lisp

00:27:08.340 and put the finger out when they sip.

00:27:10.640 And yet they will tell you

00:27:11.860 that the Bidens represent American ideals,

00:27:14.640 whereas Trump is this cantankerous buffoon.

00:27:17.560 It's grotesque.

00:27:18.440 It's unbelievable.

00:27:19.140 Well, I had Laura Trump sitting in that chair

00:27:20.820 just a couple of days ago.

00:27:21.820 Oh, right.

00:27:22.100 And I,

00:27:22.500 so I know his children fairly well

00:27:24.680 and his children-in-law.

00:27:26.880 And it's like,

00:27:27.860 these are good people.

00:27:29.600 Well, maybe that's an interesting thing to discuss

00:27:32.320 that you have somebody

00:27:34.000 who's gruff on the outside

00:27:35.180 was the only person

00:27:36.700 that could have done the thing

00:27:38.000 that we needed to be done.

00:27:39.560 Yeah.

00:27:39.780 I think we probably discussed this in the past,

00:27:43.120 this distinction between affective processing

00:27:45.480 and cognitive processing, right?

00:27:47.820 Most of the people

00:27:48.660 that have this aversion to Trump,

00:27:50.880 it's because of the affective-based processing, right?

00:27:54.300 They expect a leader to speak

00:27:56.520 with a certain cadence,

00:27:57.860 with a certain affectation,

00:27:59.320 with a certain, you know, eloquence.

00:28:02.660 And Trump is not necessarily

00:28:04.540 the sort of the most sophisticated speaker.

00:28:06.980 And so,

00:28:07.700 but on the other hand,

00:28:08.980 Barack Obama,

00:28:09.880 I'm speaking now as them.

00:28:11.100 Sure.

00:28:11.340 He's tall.

00:28:12.360 He has a radiant smile.

00:28:13.920 He speaks with the cadence

00:28:15.160 of a Southern Baptist minister.

00:28:16.900 He has a malefluous voice.

00:28:18.760 That's enough for me.

00:28:19.760 I'm already intoxicated

00:28:21.040 with the Obama,

00:28:22.240 you know,

00:28:22.660 wine spirits, right?

00:28:23.820 On the other hand,

00:28:24.780 Trump is grotesque.

00:28:26.500 That's where it ends

00:28:27.400 with most of these people.

00:28:28.220 And actually,

00:28:28.880 and I don't think

00:28:29.920 they'll mind me saying this.

00:28:30.720 I was speaking to Trump's team

00:28:33.920 before he,

00:28:35.220 you know,

00:28:35.800 he got elected

00:28:36.720 and he was going to

00:28:38.420 possibly come on my show.

00:28:40.180 And I completely understood

00:28:41.300 that after he went on Joe Rogan,

00:28:42.780 there's no need to come

00:28:43.640 on my little tiny show.

00:28:45.200 But one of the things

00:28:46.240 that one of his aides

00:28:47.880 had told me,

00:28:48.300 well,

00:28:48.420 what would you talk about?

00:28:49.700 And so what I had pitched

00:28:50.840 was exactly that point,

00:28:52.320 which is,

00:28:52.900 I think if people get to know him

00:28:54.960 in the way that,

00:28:56.040 at the time,

00:28:57.180 the Rogan thing

00:28:58.440 had not happened yet,

00:28:59.160 but like how,

00:28:59.760 when he went on Gutfeld,

00:29:01.180 where he wasn't sucking

00:29:02.560 all of the air in the room,

00:29:04.200 where you just saw him

00:29:05.260 as a actually pretty cool guy,

00:29:07.260 really nice and personable

00:29:08.800 with a very good sense of humor.

00:29:10.200 If you can get people

00:29:11.320 over that original version,

00:29:14.160 people might actually like him.

00:29:16.120 And I think part of the reason he won,

00:29:18.840 maybe not hardly all of it,

00:29:21.440 imagine how many people

00:29:22.600 saw him on Joe Rogan

00:29:23.680 and said,

00:29:24.180 wait a minute,

00:29:24.580 I've been sold

00:29:25.200 the complete bill of goods here

00:29:27.120 that he's Hitler,

00:29:27.920 he's disgusting,

00:29:28.680 he's actually a really cool guy.

00:29:30.800 And so I think people

00:29:32.340 are coming around,

00:29:33.460 but boy,

00:29:33.960 we came close to losing it.

00:29:35.440 Yeah.

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00:30:26.200 How worried are you

00:30:27.200 that things are just going to get

00:30:28.300 even wackier

00:30:29.160 for the next 50-some-odd days?

00:30:31.120 Oh, here.

00:30:31.920 Yeah, meaning before he takes office.

00:30:33.560 It seems like there's a lot

00:30:34.640 of reordering of the world.

00:30:35.700 I mentioned Canada's already

00:30:36.700 doing things differently,

00:30:37.620 and Trudeau's coming to kiss the ring.

00:30:39.140 He put out a great post

00:30:41.100 about getting the hostages back.

00:30:42.860 I don't know if you saw that.

00:30:43.700 I did.

00:30:44.240 That was today,

00:30:45.160 from when we're airing this.

00:30:47.080 Like, it seems like

00:30:48.380 good things are happening,

00:30:49.360 but are you worried

00:30:50.180 that the system

00:30:50.900 always has some tricks?

00:30:52.020 I mean, behavioral psychologists,

00:30:54.260 it's like evolutionary biology.

00:30:57.040 The system doesn't just give up, right?

00:30:58.640 Yeah, and as we know,

00:30:59.660 the old maxim,

00:31:01.240 the wounded animal

00:31:02.540 is most dangerous

00:31:03.280 just at the end.

00:31:04.980 So I suspect

00:31:05.780 there'll be some kind of response.

00:31:08.860 Actually, we were listening

00:31:09.940 to a podcast coming down here

00:31:12.300 from Palm Beach,

00:31:13.560 and they were talking about Doge

00:31:15.980 and how likely

00:31:17.040 will they be able,

00:31:18.740 Vivek and Elon,

00:31:21.000 to implement some of this stuff.

00:31:22.120 And I thought that they raised

00:31:22.940 some good points in that.

00:31:25.220 Well, maybe I'll turn it to you.

00:31:26.580 Do you think that

00:31:27.760 they will be able

00:31:29.080 to institute

00:31:30.100 the kinds of changes

00:31:31.260 that are needed?

00:31:32.220 Yeah.

00:31:32.420 Or, you think so?

00:31:33.420 Yes.

00:31:34.100 I think they can do it,

00:31:35.240 and I think they can do it.

00:31:35.940 Argentina level.

00:31:36.940 Yeah, I think they have

00:31:37.840 a limited window of time

00:31:39.360 that they can do it in,

00:31:40.520 but I think if they are ready,

00:31:41.760 and there's just no reason

00:31:42.960 to think that Elon

00:31:43.740 will not be ready to do it,

00:31:45.020 and Vivek,

00:31:45.840 that they will just go in

00:31:46.800 and within weeks

00:31:47.520 you fire thousands of people,

00:31:50.280 you send,

00:31:51.280 I heard,

00:31:51.840 was it Vivek

00:31:52.360 that was talking about it

00:31:53.060 the other day,

00:31:53.800 you basically take

00:31:54.640 7,000 FBI agents

00:31:57.140 that are all in D.C.

00:31:58.860 for no reason

00:31:59.600 and send them back,

00:32:00.620 they're police officers

00:32:01.500 for the most part,

00:32:02.520 send them back

00:32:03.220 to the states that need them.

00:32:04.620 I think things can happen

00:32:05.600 very, very quickly,

00:32:06.860 and they have an absolute

00:32:08.020 mandate to do it.

00:32:09.080 I mean, it's either now or never.

00:32:10.340 I guess I would put it that way.

00:32:11.360 And I think they're supposed

00:32:13.060 to disband the whole thing

00:32:14.600 on the anniversary,

00:32:16.420 the 250th anniversary.

00:32:17.940 So it's like an 18-month clock.

00:32:19.600 Right, so they want,

00:32:20.280 you know,

00:32:20.520 450 days to do it

00:32:21.820 on July 4th,

00:32:22.840 the 250th anniversary

00:32:24.120 of the United States.

00:32:25.280 I mean, it's pretty beautiful.

00:32:26.560 See, I think it was

00:32:28.880 Sachs who said it

00:32:29.880 on the podcast

00:32:30.480 I was watching

00:32:31.040 that it won't be as big

00:32:33.200 as the Argentina fixings,

00:32:36.660 and it won't be as big

00:32:38.120 as what Milton Friedman

00:32:39.240 would have hoped for,

00:32:40.160 but it will be a lot better

00:32:41.920 than what it is now.

00:32:42.800 And I think that's a conservative

00:32:44.460 but reasonable prediction to make.

00:32:47.280 Well, it's interesting

00:32:48.040 that we never fix

00:32:49.460 any of these things, right?

00:32:50.440 So at least we have a chance

00:32:51.480 to fix some of these things.

00:32:52.800 That's pretty good.

00:32:53.940 And as you know,

00:32:54.640 by the way,

00:32:55.140 I mean,

00:32:55.700 Canada is probably the worst

00:32:58.160 when it comes to

00:32:58.680 a lot of these inefficiencies.

00:33:00.220 We're a socialist country,

00:33:01.660 social welfare country.

00:33:02.940 So every single thing

00:33:04.720 that I could compare

00:33:06.280 how it was 40,

00:33:07.860 50 years ago

00:33:08.600 when I first moved to Canada

00:33:09.780 to now,

00:33:10.740 healthcare,

00:33:11.760 how quickly we remove the snow

00:33:13.800 when it snows in Montreal.

00:33:15.420 Every single social service

00:33:17.840 has gotten exponentially worse

00:33:20.680 over the past four or five decades.

00:33:22.420 Why?

00:33:22.880 Because we know exactly

00:33:23.860 what happens

00:33:24.380 to the social welfare state.

00:33:25.580 Eventually,

00:33:26.040 you do run out

00:33:26.720 of other people's money.

00:33:28.200 So I'd like to think

00:33:29.540 that there's going to be

00:33:30.360 an auto-correction

00:33:31.080 in all these nations,

00:33:32.860 but we'll have to wait and see.

00:33:34.280 So we talked about

00:33:34.900 the sort of misguided motives,

00:33:36.460 let's say,

00:33:36.740 of some of these people,

00:33:37.380 but then someone like Trudeau,

00:33:38.640 if he was hearing you say that

00:33:41.060 right then and there,

00:33:42.520 do you think in his heart of hearts

00:33:43.980 he would disagree with that

00:33:45.440 and say,

00:33:45.800 no, no,

00:33:46.140 things are actually better

00:33:47.420 and we don't have

00:33:48.480 Abbas members

00:33:49.260 running on the streets

00:33:49.960 and we do get the snow out

00:33:51.420 pretty quickly

00:33:51.940 and blah, blah, blah.

00:33:53.040 Yeah,

00:33:53.300 I actually truly think

00:33:55.140 he is beyond

00:33:56.500 repair parasitized.

00:33:58.060 I don't think

00:33:58.980 and this is completely speculative

00:34:00.680 so I don't know him personally

00:34:01.820 so I'm just speculating.

00:34:03.420 I don't think

00:34:04.220 he's an innately

00:34:05.400 evil,

00:34:06.440 diabolical guy.

00:34:08.060 Many of the people

00:34:09.040 that we both know

00:34:09.940 who despise Trudeau

00:34:11.260 will actually disagree with me.

00:34:12.820 They think he's a,

00:34:13.660 you know,

00:34:13.960 evil dictator

00:34:15.060 who's trying.

00:34:16.080 Goosome strikes me

00:34:16.940 as more than that.

00:34:17.600 Trudeau strikes me

00:34:18.520 as more of like

00:34:19.060 an utter buffoon

00:34:20.820 who has been taken to evil

00:34:22.880 or something.

00:34:23.360 Exactly, right?

00:34:24.040 So his brain

00:34:24.840 is literally made of jello,

00:34:26.680 right?

00:34:27.220 And so because it's jello,

00:34:29.300 I can parasitize it with ease.

00:34:31.440 He comes from

00:34:32.320 like a milieu

00:34:34.080 in Montreal

00:34:35.660 that is very,

00:34:37.620 very kind of uppity progressive.

00:34:40.580 So all of the parasitic ideas

00:34:42.460 that I would have enumerated

00:34:43.740 in the parasitic mind

00:34:44.780 are exactly

00:34:46.160 what he has been inculcated with.

00:34:48.920 He has swam

00:34:50.040 in that educational ecosystem

00:34:51.340 and so what do you expect him

00:34:52.940 to come out as?

00:34:53.600 He's going to be a product

00:34:54.720 of his education.

00:34:55.940 So I think,

00:34:57.320 but at this point,

00:34:58.680 he is so brainwashed

00:35:00.000 in that stuff

00:35:00.680 that there is nothing,

00:35:02.600 there's no amount

00:35:03.340 of evidence

00:35:04.020 that I could ever show him

00:35:05.580 that suggests

00:35:06.620 that he would make

00:35:07.800 an autocorrection.

00:35:08.700 I really,

00:35:09.500 so I'll give you an example.

00:35:11.420 A few years ago,

00:35:12.540 they had caught

00:35:13.260 some ISIS guys,

00:35:14.680 or I can't remember

00:35:15.120 what it was,

00:35:15.980 and his response

00:35:18.480 as prime minister was,

00:35:20.260 well,

00:35:20.640 clearly this is someone

00:35:21.800 that we have failed

00:35:23.460 and being able to.

00:35:24.480 Oh, I remember this.

00:35:25.040 Remember that one?

00:35:25.560 A couple years ago, yeah.

00:35:26.260 So how could that be, right?

00:35:27.840 I mean,

00:35:28.000 how much evidence

00:35:28.940 would you need?

00:35:29.900 Meaning it was a Canadian

00:35:30.920 that went to,

00:35:32.480 wasn't it a Canadian

00:35:33.180 that went to Afghanistan

00:35:34.100 and joined ISIS,

00:35:35.980 and the blame,

00:35:37.960 suicidal empathy,

00:35:39.220 lay with us, right?

00:35:40.800 It wasn't,

00:35:41.400 we could look at him

00:35:41.980 and say,

00:35:42.320 what a pig,

00:35:42.900 we gave you all the opportunities

00:35:43.960 in the world

00:35:44.360 and you did this.

00:35:45.160 It's,

00:35:45.660 what is it that we did wrong

00:35:47.580 that we failed him?

00:35:48.800 Which, by the way,

00:35:49.480 it's that exact same reflex

00:35:51.020 that applies for

00:35:52.360 soft on crime,

00:35:53.920 criminal thing, right?

00:35:55.140 Let's not punish the criminal

00:35:56.640 because he's already

00:35:57.920 a victim of society.

00:35:59.080 Now you're going to

00:35:59.760 incarcerate him

00:36:00.460 for having just raped

00:36:01.680 seven or eight women?

00:36:02.780 That would be so grossly unfair.

00:36:04.420 Just give him a 74th chance

00:36:05.900 and maybe this time around

00:36:07.140 he'll turn his life around.

00:36:08.240 You think if we were doing

00:36:09.240 like a Greek mythology version

00:36:10.700 of this,

00:36:11.120 that the gods would be

00:36:11.840 looking at us like,

00:36:12.760 what a bunch of idiots you are?

00:36:13.840 Exactly.

00:36:14.240 Like it would be

00:36:14.700 something like that.

00:36:15.480 And they would say,

00:36:16.880 hey, you deserve all

00:36:18.180 of the calamities

00:36:19.100 and the pestilence

00:36:20.520 and the locus

00:36:21.340 that can befall you.

00:36:24.660 So how do we restore,

00:36:27.600 let's say,

00:36:28.640 unsuicidal empathy?

00:36:30.260 If a huge amount

00:36:31.380 of the world,

00:36:31.960 even though clearly

00:36:32.840 people are waking up to it

00:36:34.680 and maybe some tides

00:36:35.580 are turning,

00:36:36.740 but in the countries

00:36:37.600 that it hasn't turned

00:36:38.880 just yet,

00:36:39.680 or even as we said,

00:36:40.460 the United States

00:36:40.860 is still in a precarious

00:36:41.680 position here,

00:36:42.720 how do you wake people

00:36:43.920 up about it?

00:36:44.500 And then what do you do?

00:36:45.560 What do you actually do

00:36:46.480 to write the shit?

00:36:48.020 So I'll give you first

00:36:48.940 kind of the academic answer.

00:36:50.900 It's not that empathy

00:36:52.500 is an inherently

00:36:54.120 bad emotion to have,

00:36:55.860 right?

00:36:56.100 We've evolved

00:36:57.200 the reflex of empathy

00:36:59.000 because we're a social species,

00:37:00.360 right?

00:37:00.880 It's a good idea

00:37:02.240 for me to be able

00:37:03.080 to put myself

00:37:03.960 in your shoes

00:37:04.940 to be able to empathize

00:37:06.640 and sympathize

00:37:07.480 with your plight.

00:37:08.740 It builds bonds

00:37:10.320 and so on.

00:37:10.720 So that makes perfect sense.

00:37:11.840 But it shouldn't be

00:37:12.580 the most important thing

00:37:13.440 in your life,

00:37:13.980 is that what you're telling me?

00:37:14.880 Well, number one,

00:37:15.600 and it shouldn't be directed

00:37:17.040 to the wrong targets,

00:37:18.440 right?

00:37:18.640 So yes,

00:37:19.820 it would be great

00:37:20.520 if Guatemalan immigrants

00:37:22.160 had the same opportunities

00:37:23.700 as people in the US,

00:37:25.060 but I don't give them

00:37:26.580 higher,

00:37:28.200 you know,

00:37:28.660 on the pecking order

00:37:29.460 than American vets

00:37:31.120 who went and lost limbs

00:37:32.640 fighting wars

00:37:34.020 to keep the United States

00:37:35.480 free, right?

00:37:36.640 I would love

00:37:37.640 for all children

00:37:38.740 to be

00:37:39.740 safe and happy,

00:37:41.480 but I'm much more likely

00:37:42.900 to jump in front

00:37:43.800 of a truck

00:37:45.080 to save my own

00:37:46.360 biological children

00:37:47.360 than random children.

00:37:48.700 That doesn't make me

00:37:49.660 a callous person.

00:37:50.680 It makes me

00:37:51.080 an evolutionary animal

00:37:52.660 that has evolved

00:37:54.300 the strategic ability

00:37:55.860 to met out

00:37:57.060 my investments

00:37:57.840 in ways that advance

00:37:59.320 my genetic interests.

00:38:01.000 That doesn't make me evil

00:38:02.280 or diabolical, right?

00:38:03.720 It's called evolution.

00:38:04.820 So I think that

00:38:06.040 once we're,

00:38:06.760 so now I gave

00:38:07.380 the evolutionary answer,

00:38:08.700 but the simple answer

00:38:09.980 is to follow

00:38:10.880 common sense, right?

00:38:12.540 What's the point

00:38:13.460 of having

00:38:14.120 national borders

00:38:15.440 if national borders

00:38:17.000 are meant to be open

00:38:18.260 and no human

00:38:19.480 is illegal?

00:38:20.240 Those two statements

00:38:21.000 don't make sense.

00:38:21.620 You can't be both

00:38:22.460 a virgin

00:38:22.940 and be pregnant.

00:38:24.640 Once you've become pregnant,

00:38:26.080 you've lost

00:38:26.560 the title of virgin, right?

00:38:28.040 So you can't have

00:38:29.460 a country

00:38:30.460 that allows

00:38:31.660 10, 15,

00:38:32.720 20 million people

00:38:33.580 to come in,

00:38:34.180 most of whom

00:38:34.880 are lovely

00:38:35.460 and want to work

00:38:36.440 and so on,

00:38:36.820 but no,

00:38:37.800 you're violating

00:38:38.600 a deontological principle

00:38:40.080 in the sanctity of,

00:38:41.180 so I think

00:38:42.180 people realize

00:38:43.540 that deep down

00:38:44.360 they just need

00:38:45.820 folks like us

00:38:46.620 to give them

00:38:47.360 the courage

00:38:47.980 to speak out.

00:38:50.100 And then, okay,

00:38:50.600 so we get a bunch

00:38:51.720 of them to speak out,

00:38:52.620 they start waking up,

00:38:53.860 what do you want

00:38:54.480 to happen

00:38:54.840 to the institutions?

00:38:55.920 Do you want

00:38:56.520 the institutions

00:38:57.040 to be reformed

00:38:57.760 or do you want

00:38:58.120 them to burn

00:38:58.560 at this point?

00:38:59.080 I don't think

00:38:59.840 it's reasonable

00:39:00.880 to expect

00:39:01.440 that we're going

00:39:01.940 to burn down

00:39:02.620 all the institutions.

00:39:03.660 I think,

00:39:04.020 as I said earlier

00:39:04.660 when I said

00:39:05.120 hopefully it will,

00:39:06.620 it won't take

00:39:07.160 50 to 100 years

00:39:08.100 to reverse

00:39:08.580 all the ideological trends.

00:39:09.820 I think from within

00:39:10.820 we could do

00:39:11.540 a lot of good,

00:39:12.280 right?

00:39:12.580 So I mean,

00:39:13.020 because look,

00:39:13.520 think about it,

00:39:14.480 even at my university

00:39:15.760 which is supremely woke,

00:39:17.220 I don't mean Northwood

00:39:18.200 where I'm at now,

00:39:18.940 I mean Concordia,

00:39:20.320 it's supremely woke,

00:39:22.320 it's incredibly progressive,

00:39:23.880 it's very socialist.

00:39:24.940 We'll play some B-roll

00:39:26.060 of some of the things

00:39:26.740 that are going on

00:39:27.360 at Concordia

00:39:27.840 while you're talking

00:39:28.500 right now.

00:39:29.280 It's very,

00:39:30.240 very driven

00:39:30.800 by Islamists

00:39:32.480 and anti-Judaism,

00:39:34.060 Jewish stuff

00:39:34.660 and so on,

00:39:35.540 but yet 95%

00:39:37.220 of the students

00:39:38.080 that go there

00:39:38.960 just want to study

00:39:40.480 neuroscience

00:39:41.020 and business

00:39:42.100 and classics

00:39:43.160 and they just want,

00:39:44.400 right?

00:39:44.660 But it's a small minority

00:39:46.160 that keeps the rest

00:39:47.260 of us hostage,

00:39:48.280 right?

00:39:48.620 So I think

00:39:49.740 you can pretty quickly

00:39:51.680 change the ecosystem

00:39:52.880 to reinvigorate

00:39:54.900 reason and logic

00:39:56.120 and science

00:39:56.860 into the institutions.

00:39:57.700 I don't think

00:39:58.180 you have to burn them

00:39:59.380 all down

00:39:59.840 and start from zero.

00:40:00.520 Although,

00:40:01.200 there are some institutions

00:40:02.180 that are starting from zero,

00:40:03.220 University of Austin,

00:40:04.260 right?

00:40:04.400 So I think you can

00:40:05.640 follow both paths

00:40:06.900 equally well.

00:40:08.060 Are you afraid

00:40:08.540 that we'll start

00:40:09.200 doing some things

00:40:10.160 right here in America,

00:40:11.320 say deporting

00:40:12.020 some of the people

00:40:12.820 who are radically

00:40:13.840 anti-American

00:40:14.560 and don't have,

00:40:15.340 you know,

00:40:15.460 aren't even supposed

00:40:16.000 to be here

00:40:16.320 in the first place

00:40:16.800 and so we start

00:40:17.760 cleaning up some things

00:40:18.840 but that the optics

00:40:20.500 of it will just

00:40:21.380 not be good.

00:40:22.480 There will be bad optics.

00:40:23.840 That's just part of reality.

00:40:25.360 They're going to grab

00:40:25.860 some of the wrong people.

00:40:26.900 There will be some situation

00:40:27.880 with a mother

00:40:28.380 and a young child

00:40:29.260 that's separated.

00:40:30.360 There will be issues,

00:40:31.440 whatever they might be

00:40:32.460 and that because

00:40:34.280 still so many of us

00:40:35.700 put empathy

00:40:36.240 in such a high spot

00:40:37.400 on that hierarchy,

00:40:38.420 it'll derail the progress.

00:40:40.080 I very much worry about that.

00:40:41.420 Yeah.

00:40:41.920 Exactly.

00:40:42.880 Because I think

00:40:43.560 even someone

00:40:44.380 who is as much

00:40:45.400 of a catalyst

00:40:46.680 for change

00:40:47.460 as Trump

00:40:47.920 and he is a once

00:40:48.940 in a multiple generation

00:40:50.380 kind of figure,

00:40:51.380 I think even someone

00:40:52.520 like him

00:40:53.140 might lose his resolve

00:40:54.520 once you start getting

00:40:55.960 the crying children

00:40:57.140 and so on.

00:40:58.000 In an ideal world,

00:40:59.540 if I am emperor

00:41:00.740 of the universe

00:41:01.440 for a year,

00:41:03.520 I would shut off

00:41:04.680 my empathy module

00:41:06.040 and I would make sure

00:41:06.980 to get it done.

00:41:07.720 Whether he's able to

00:41:08.940 or not,

00:41:09.380 I don't know.

00:41:10.060 I'm cautiously optimistic.

00:41:11.440 Yeah.

00:41:11.680 It seems to me

00:41:12.360 that that's going to be

00:41:13.040 the tricky part,

00:41:13.880 that they're going to

00:41:14.380 start doing it.

00:41:15.560 Most people will be for it.

00:41:16.900 That's why he won.

00:41:17.680 There's a mandate.

00:41:18.260 Then there's going to be

00:41:19.540 some weird story

00:41:20.400 and the mainstream media

00:41:21.440 has lost cred

00:41:22.100 so that's good.

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00:42:25.320 What else do you make

00:42:26.400 of just sort of like

00:42:27.400 the general sex war

00:42:28.800 that seems to be

00:42:29.560 happening right now

00:42:30.440 that it's largely women

00:42:32.540 who were supporting

00:42:33.760 Kamala and the Democrats

00:42:35.880 and it was largely men

00:42:38.200 obviously not totally

00:42:39.480 that were more willing

00:42:41.160 to shift towards Trump

00:42:42.200 that there seems to be

00:42:43.100 like some play there

00:42:44.940 maybe because of

00:42:45.840 years of wokeness

00:42:46.700 and everyone's got

00:42:47.440 confused genitals

00:42:48.180 and everything.

00:42:49.540 Well, I mean, yeah,

00:42:50.540 this is something

00:42:51.180 that has been

00:42:52.320 I've been fighting

00:42:53.580 this kind of stuff

00:42:54.440 not just in the

00:42:55.340 political arena

00:42:55.960 but in academia

00:42:56.740 where

00:42:57.660 so you're talking

00:42:58.820 specifically just about

00:42:59.620 the gender gap

00:43:00.620 political voting

00:43:01.820 difference

00:43:02.280 or

00:43:02.500 Yeah, that men

00:43:03.620 and women

00:43:04.020 you can present them

00:43:05.160 with the exact same

00:43:05.920 current events

00:43:06.540 and they're just

00:43:07.320 in many ways

00:43:08.560 looking at them

00:43:09.160 completely differently.

00:43:10.420 So I think part of that

00:43:12.040 stemmed from the

00:43:13.180 kind of second

00:43:14.560 and third wave feminism

00:43:15.760 of we need to have

00:43:17.100 a woman break

00:43:17.940 the glass ceiling

00:43:19.120 so a lot of my

00:43:19.880 academic colleagues

00:43:21.240 who are women

00:43:21.860 and even some of the

00:43:22.900 male feminist

00:43:23.720 sneaky effort

00:43:24.340 colleagues

00:43:25.620 they were very excited

00:43:27.400 about the prospect

00:43:28.240 of, you know,

00:43:28.940 creating history

00:43:29.940 by having a woman.

00:43:32.040 I think that

00:43:33.420 that could be

00:43:34.080 easily defeated.

00:43:34.780 I think

00:43:35.280 which one was

00:43:37.400 greater gender

00:43:38.600 difference?

00:43:39.060 Was it

00:43:39.300 more women

00:43:40.460 voted for Kamala

00:43:41.720 than men

00:43:42.260 voted for Trump

00:43:42.920 or was it

00:43:43.340 roughly the same

00:43:44.160 gender difference?

00:43:45.560 Off the top of my

00:43:46.440 head I don't know

00:43:46.900 but it's got to be

00:43:47.940 more women voted

00:43:48.720 more women than that.

00:43:50.460 Yeah, I think it's

00:43:51.040 also driven by a lot

00:43:52.020 of the emotional

00:43:53.140 based processing,

00:43:54.520 right?

00:43:55.140 She was the

00:43:56.120 even though she was

00:43:56.780 hardly joyful

00:43:57.660 but she was the

00:43:58.800 party of joy

00:43:59.700 and it was going

00:44:00.360 to be fun

00:44:01.040 and exciting

00:44:01.620 and

00:44:02.100 maybe here

00:44:03.700 I'm playing

00:44:04.040 into stereotypes

00:44:04.640 maybe it's

00:44:05.340 a bit easier

00:44:05.980 for women

00:44:06.480 to get

00:44:07.640 channeled

00:44:08.980 into emotional

00:44:09.660 based processing

00:44:10.340 but if

00:44:11.660 you're asking me

00:44:12.400 to predict

00:44:12.780 whether in the

00:44:13.680 future

00:44:14.020 these patterns

00:44:14.820 will remain

00:44:15.220 the same

00:44:15.600 I suspect

00:44:16.580 that probably

00:44:17.380 women will

00:44:18.160 continue to

00:44:18.760 be more likely

00:44:19.560 to vote

00:44:19.960 Democrat

00:44:20.340 than Republican

00:44:21.080 for the foreseeable

00:44:21.940 future.

00:44:22.740 And you think

00:44:23.060 that that's

00:44:23.440 directly connected

00:44:24.040 to empathy

00:44:25.780 like misguided

00:44:26.820 empathy

00:44:27.060 or is it

00:44:27.400 directly connected

00:44:27.980 to

00:44:28.280 is there

00:44:29.260 some hunter-gatherer

00:44:30.220 portion of that?

00:44:30.920 I don't know

00:44:31.220 about hunter-gatherer

00:44:32.100 so I think

00:44:33.540 so there are

00:44:35.520 several ways

00:44:35.940 I could go

00:44:36.260 with this

00:44:36.460 so for example

00:44:36.980 socialism

00:44:37.760 right when you

00:44:38.920 you hear the idea

00:44:39.620 that when you

00:44:40.180 I don't know

00:44:40.800 who first said

00:44:41.640 it you know

00:44:42.780 if in your

00:44:43.200 in your 20s

00:44:44.080 you're not a

00:44:44.820 socialist

00:44:45.200 you don't have

00:44:46.160 in your 20s

00:44:46.720 if you're not a

00:44:47.140 liberal you have

00:44:47.700 no heart

00:44:48.040 and in your 30s

00:44:48.660 if you're not

00:44:48.920 a conservative

00:44:49.280 you have no

00:44:49.640 exactly

00:44:49.880 because a lot

00:44:50.980 of the principles

00:44:51.900 that appeal

00:44:53.120 to people

00:44:53.760 in terms of

00:44:54.420 socialism

00:44:54.760 you know

00:44:55.280 if I'm 17

00:44:56.160 and I see

00:44:57.120 there's a lot

00:44:57.780 of inequity

00:44:58.460 in the world

00:44:59.060 and imagine

00:44:59.880 if there was

00:45:00.480 a benevolent

00:45:01.440 magnanimous

00:45:02.360 leader

00:45:03.160 who would

00:45:03.920 create lesser

00:45:04.960 inequity

00:45:05.660 wow that sounds

00:45:06.460 nice

00:45:06.820 but then

00:45:07.620 if you play

00:45:08.440 the second

00:45:08.980 and third

00:45:09.500 order effects

00:45:10.300 of what happens

00:45:11.100 under such a

00:45:11.700 system

00:45:12.060 which typically

00:45:13.120 you may not

00:45:13.760 be familiar

00:45:14.240 with when

00:45:14.760 you're 17

00:45:15.320 then you realize

00:45:16.240 at 30

00:45:16.760 that that was

00:45:17.340 probably not

00:45:17.780 a good idea

00:45:18.320 so I think

00:45:19.240 for many people

00:45:20.080 irrespective of

00:45:20.680 whether they're

00:45:21.140 male or female

00:45:21.860 intuitively

00:45:23.020 when I'm

00:45:23.680 very young

00:45:24.320 those principles

00:45:25.080 appeal to me

00:45:25.900 but then I

00:45:26.580 grow out of

00:45:27.160 them

00:45:27.300 because I

00:45:27.760 actually

00:45:28.040 my prefrontal

00:45:28.860 cortex develops

00:45:29.800 and then I

00:45:30.720 become mature

00:45:31.420 and I

00:45:31.680 you know

00:45:32.380 do you remember

00:45:33.080 is it

00:45:33.740 Evan Syed

00:45:34.500 he's going

00:45:34.920 to be happy

00:45:35.480 that I

00:45:35.820 that I

00:45:36.500 mentioned him

00:45:36.940 do you know

00:45:37.320 that guy

00:45:37.620 the name

00:45:38.460 comes across

00:45:39.040 my twitter

00:45:39.640 he's a comedian

00:45:40.700 yeah

00:45:41.080 who

00:45:41.620 oh yeah

00:45:42.440 Evan Syed

00:45:43.600 yeah

00:45:44.040 S-A-Y-E-T

00:45:45.840 I think

00:45:46.140 S-A-Y-E-T

00:45:47.240 yeah

00:45:47.520 he wrote a book

00:45:48.540 maybe 12

00:45:49.440 13 years ago

00:45:50.680 about sort of

00:45:51.760 kindergarten logic

00:45:53.000 and he

00:45:53.800 he had

00:45:54.120 he had

00:45:54.660 he had even

00:45:55.140 done a

00:45:55.880 a lecture

00:45:57.000 I think it

00:45:57.420 was at the

00:45:57.740 heritage

00:45:58.240 institute

00:45:58.980 is it

00:45:59.380 institute

00:45:59.780 foundation

00:46:00.180 where he

00:46:01.660 talked about

00:46:02.300 exactly what

00:46:02.920 we're saying

00:46:03.320 now which

00:46:03.680 is you know

00:46:04.380 a lot of

00:46:04.920 these principles

00:46:05.860 really are part

00:46:07.300 of the utopia

00:46:07.960 when you're in

00:46:08.540 kindergarten

00:46:09.040 caring is

00:46:09.800 sharing

00:46:10.240 that sounds

00:46:11.120 good

00:46:11.460 socialism

00:46:12.060 right

00:46:12.360 but as

00:46:13.880 you know

00:46:14.160 and I

00:46:14.360 probably

00:46:14.600 mentioned

00:46:14.900 this on

00:46:15.240 this show

00:46:15.520 before

00:46:16.020 E.O.

00:46:17.080 Wilson

00:46:17.400 the Harvard

00:46:18.800 biologist

00:46:19.260 you know

00:46:19.500 where I'm

00:46:19.680 going with

00:46:20.000 this

00:46:20.180 right

00:46:20.660 please

00:46:20.920 take me

00:46:21.380 yeah

00:46:21.740 so he

00:46:22.660 studied

00:46:23.220 social ants

00:46:24.080 social ants

00:46:25.140 have a

00:46:25.660 unique

00:46:26.220 social structure

00:46:28.140 you have

00:46:28.660 a reproductive

00:46:29.740 queen

00:46:30.140 then you have

00:46:31.100 indistinguishable

00:46:32.060 worker ants

00:46:33.060 and soldier

00:46:34.180 ants

00:46:34.540 right

00:46:34.920 so when he

00:46:35.820 was asked

00:46:36.380 to comment

00:46:37.000 on socialism

00:46:38.040 slash communism

00:46:38.860 he said

00:46:39.480 great idea

00:46:40.540 wrong species

00:46:41.520 meaning that

00:46:42.440 you can't

00:46:43.400 impose a

00:46:44.500 social structure

00:46:45.380 on a species

00:46:46.860 if the evolutionary

00:46:48.140 trajectory of that

00:46:49.080 species does not

00:46:50.000 expect that social

00:46:50.860 form right

00:46:51.380 so communism

00:46:52.580 is wonderful

00:46:53.320 for ants

00:46:53.980 it's not

00:46:54.500 wonderful

00:46:54.860 for human

00:46:55.440 beings

00:46:55.740 because human

00:46:56.260 beings

00:46:56.560 have heterogeneity

00:46:58.640 of preference

00:46:59.360 of talents

00:47:00.500 of aggression

00:47:01.940 of

00:47:02.300 you mean we

00:47:02.740 might like

00:47:03.180 different things

00:47:03.740 we might work

00:47:04.360 differently

00:47:04.920 we might like

00:47:05.900 differently

00:47:06.320 to get them

00:47:07.020 exactly

00:47:07.380 well but when

00:47:08.480 I'm 12

00:47:09.060 I like the idea

00:47:10.380 of all of us

00:47:11.580 ending up

00:47:12.220 at the same

00:47:12.640 place

00:47:12.880 as Kamala Harris

00:47:13.980 told us

00:47:14.780 right

00:47:15.280 it's not fair

00:47:16.400 we have to end up

00:47:17.200 at the same

00:47:17.580 place

00:47:17.860 and so

00:47:18.320 I don't know

00:47:19.160 it's incredible

00:47:19.600 how thin it is

00:47:20.480 isn't it

00:47:21.080 unbelievably

00:47:21.700 the fact that

00:47:22.360 she put that

00:47:23.120 video up

00:47:23.840 that we'll all

00:47:24.440 end up in the

00:47:24.900 same place

00:47:25.320 video the day

00:47:26.160 before the election

00:47:26.940 that Biden

00:47:27.400 got elected

00:47:27.920 to be president

00:47:28.460 so now that's

00:47:29.200 you know

00:47:29.440 four plus years

00:47:30.140 ago

00:47:30.420 she puts up

00:47:31.320 this cartoon

00:47:31.860 it says

00:47:32.200 and we'll all

00:47:32.660 end up

00:47:32.980 in the same

00:47:33.360 place

00:47:33.700 I mean

00:47:34.220 that's

00:47:34.540 Marxism

00:47:35.140 101

00:47:35.600 it may

00:47:36.120 it also

00:47:36.500 just

00:47:36.760 it stands

00:47:37.320 up to no

00:47:37.980 scrutiny

00:47:38.380 what do you

00:47:38.720 mean

00:47:38.920 we'll all

00:47:39.300 so we're

00:47:39.920 all going

00:47:40.160 to be

00:47:40.280 millionaires

00:47:40.760 we're all

00:47:41.080 going to

00:47:41.180 be

00:47:41.300 baseball

00:47:41.580 players

00:47:42.020 we're

00:47:42.300 all going

00:47:42.600 to be

00:47:42.900 vice

00:47:43.780 presidents

00:47:44.220 well that's

00:47:44.840 really

00:47:45.060 what it

00:47:45.400 but you

00:47:46.460 would just

00:47:46.900 think that

00:47:47.480 we've evolved

00:47:48.160 to the

00:47:48.520 point

00:47:48.900 where you

00:47:49.440 couldn't

00:47:49.840 get away

00:47:50.240 with such

00:47:51.000 mindless

00:47:51.940 drivel

00:47:52.360 and yet

00:47:53.400 here we

00:47:53.760 are

00:47:53.920 but what

00:47:54.440 bothers me

00:47:55.260 is that

00:47:55.880 no amount

00:47:56.720 look I'm

00:47:57.620 in the

00:47:57.880 business

00:47:58.180 of trying

00:47:58.640 to change

00:47:59.020 people's

00:47:59.440 opinions

00:47:59.800 right

00:48:00.060 I mean

00:48:00.240 I studied

00:48:00.700 psychology

00:48:01.180 decision

00:48:01.600 making

00:48:01.940 and even

00:48:02.820 in my

00:48:03.160 public

00:48:03.460 interventions

00:48:03.980 that's

00:48:04.260 what I

00:48:04.500 do

00:48:04.680 and yet

00:48:05.460 I hate

00:48:06.040 to say

00:48:06.460 this

00:48:06.800 I fear

00:48:08.680 that the

00:48:09.100 architecture

00:48:09.680 of the

00:48:10.180 human

00:48:10.460 mind

00:48:10.940 is not

00:48:11.860 necessarily

00:48:12.540 amenable

00:48:13.420 to

00:48:14.180 getting

00:48:15.640 you to

00:48:15.980 change

00:48:16.380 your

00:48:16.560 opinion

00:48:16.880 so in

00:48:18.260 chapter

00:48:18.560 seven

00:48:19.020 of the

00:48:19.360 parasitic

00:48:19.680 mind

00:48:19.980 I

00:48:20.540 lead

00:48:20.820 off

00:48:21.080 with

00:48:21.260 a

00:48:21.460 quote

00:48:21.780 long

00:48:22.160 quote

00:48:22.540 from

00:48:23.260 Leon

00:48:23.680 Festinger

00:48:24.260 Leon

00:48:24.940 Festinger

00:48:25.360 was the

00:48:26.060 pioneering

00:48:27.300 psychologist

00:48:27.820 who developed

00:48:28.520 the theory

00:48:28.960 of cognitive

00:48:29.440 dissonance

00:48:29.980 right

00:48:30.200 so cognitive

00:48:31.040 dissonance

00:48:31.460 is that

00:48:32.060 you know

00:48:32.260 there's

00:48:32.460 tension

00:48:32.760 in my

00:48:33.140 head

00:48:33.400 how do

00:48:33.700 I

00:48:33.820 hold

00:48:34.120 to

00:48:34.360 opposing

00:48:34.860 polar

00:48:35.260 ideas

00:48:36.020 right

00:48:36.220 well

00:48:36.660 usually

00:48:37.000 what

00:48:37.200 I'll

00:48:37.340 do

00:48:37.480 is

00:48:37.620 I'll

00:48:38.300 implement

00:48:38.700 a whole

00:48:39.040 bunch

00:48:39.260 of

00:48:39.420 cognitive

00:48:39.840 processes

00:48:40.420 to try

00:48:41.220 to soften

00:48:41.860 that

00:48:42.180 cognitive

00:48:42.580 dissonance

00:48:43.120 right

00:48:43.300 I

00:48:43.660 bought

00:48:43.940 the

00:48:44.140 Mazda

00:48:44.520 but

00:48:44.720 not

00:48:44.940 the

00:48:45.100 Toyota

00:48:45.400 so

00:48:45.660 now

00:48:45.840 how

00:48:46.060 can

00:48:46.260 I

00:48:46.440 try

00:48:46.880 to

00:48:47.020 reduce

00:48:47.320 the

00:48:47.520 dissonance

00:48:47.920 of not

00:48:48.220 having

00:48:48.540 bought

00:48:48.980 the

00:48:49.120 other

00:48:49.320 car

00:48:49.540 right

00:48:49.780 and so

00:48:50.360 I

00:48:50.460 go

00:48:50.600 through

00:48:50.780 all

00:48:50.920 kinds

00:48:51.100 of

00:48:51.180 machinations

00:48:51.620 well

00:48:51.980 the

00:48:52.640 human

00:48:52.980 mind

00:48:53.540 does

00:48:54.280 not

00:48:54.720 regrettably

00:48:55.560 alter

00:48:56.720 its

00:48:57.040 positions

00:48:57.700 despite

00:48:58.460 the

00:48:58.840 fact

00:48:59.140 that

00:48:59.340 I

00:48:59.440 show

00:48:59.700 you

00:48:59.860 a

00:49:00.000 tsunami

00:49:00.340 of

00:49:00.560 evidence

00:49:00.940 that

00:49:01.360 suggests

00:49:01.780 that

00:49:02.000 you

00:49:02.160 should

00:49:02.360 be

00:49:02.520 changing

00:49:02.820 your

00:49:03.060 mind

00:49:03.320 and so

00:49:04.020 on

00:49:04.200 the

00:49:04.320 one

00:49:04.520 hand

00:49:04.760 from

00:49:04.940 this

00:49:05.160 side

00:49:05.360 of

00:49:05.460 my

00:49:05.600 mouth

00:49:05.840 I

00:49:06.000 spend

00:49:06.240 all

00:49:06.520 day

00:49:06.840 trying

00:49:07.260 to

00:49:07.380 get

00:49:07.520 you

00:49:07.640 to

00:49:07.800 change

00:49:08.100 your

00:49:08.260 opinions

00:49:08.720 but

00:49:09.200 then

00:49:09.360 from

00:49:09.540 this

00:49:09.760 side

00:49:09.940 of

00:49:10.020 my

00:49:10.180 mouth

00:49:10.440 I

00:49:10.680 know

00:49:10.940 that

00:49:11.160 it's

00:49:11.320 going

00:49:11.460 to be

00:49:11.740 a

00:49:11.840 herculean

00:49:12.320 effort

00:49:12.560 to be

00:49:12.840 able

00:49:12.980 to

00:49:13.120 do

00:49:13.260 so

00:49:13.520 so

00:49:14.400 do

00:49:14.520 you

00:49:14.600 think

00:49:14.760 that

00:49:14.920 one

00:49:15.140 day

00:49:15.280 they'll

00:49:15.460 be

00:49:15.600 able

00:49:15.820 to

00:49:16.060 actually

00:49:16.560 diagnose

00:49:17.220 Trump

00:49:17.480 derangement

00:49:17.920 syndrome

00:49:18.280 as a

00:49:18.680 psychological

00:49:19.000 order

00:49:19.380 I mean

00:49:19.560 I'm not

00:49:20.020 even

00:49:20.160 kidding

00:49:20.740 about

00:49:21.020 that

00:49:21.320 it's

00:49:21.600 called

00:49:21.820 the

00:49:22.020 Sam

00:49:22.220 Harris

00:49:22.460 complex

00:49:22.760 that's

00:49:23.640 psychiatrically

00:49:24.220 what it's

00:49:24.520 called

00:49:24.780 the

00:49:25.060 Malibu

00:49:25.520 meditator

00:49:25.960 what do

00:49:27.340 you make

00:49:27.580 of

00:49:27.700 somebody

00:49:27.940 like

00:49:28.180 that

00:49:28.340 I

00:49:28.440 mean

00:49:28.540 we've

00:49:28.840 talked

00:49:29.240 about

00:49:29.500 it

00:49:29.640 a little

00:49:29.880 bit

00:49:30.060 over

00:49:30.220 the

00:49:30.360 years

00:49:30.520 but

00:49:30.700 you

00:49:30.820 know

00:49:30.920 so

00:49:31.100 I

00:49:31.560 was

00:49:31.720 on

00:49:31.880 Jordan

00:49:32.180 Peterson's

00:49:33.320 500th

00:49:33.800 podcast

00:49:34.200 a couple

00:49:34.500 weeks

00:49:34.740 ago

00:49:34.960 and we

00:49:35.740 were

00:49:35.880 saying

00:49:36.100 how

00:49:36.280 it

00:49:36.440 was

00:49:36.600 eight

00:49:36.880 years

00:49:37.200 to

00:49:37.380 the

00:49:37.520 week

00:49:37.780 of

00:49:37.940 when

00:49:38.080 we

00:49:38.240 first

00:49:38.540 met

00:49:38.760 and

00:49:38.920 boy

00:49:39.120 the

00:49:39.280 world

00:49:39.520 has

00:49:39.740 so

00:49:39.960 significantly

00:49:40.580 changed

00:49:41.340 in

00:49:41.600 so

00:49:42.440 many

00:49:42.640 ways

00:49:42.920 since

00:49:43.180 then

00:49:43.440 and

00:49:43.820 we

00:49:43.920 were

00:49:44.020 discussing

00:49:44.340 basically

00:49:44.640 could

00:49:44.920 we

00:49:45.100 all

00:49:45.300 have

00:49:45.460 done

00:49:45.660 something

00:49:46.020 a little

00:49:46.320 bit

00:49:46.500 different

00:49:46.760 those

00:49:47.040 of

00:49:47.180 us

00:49:47.340 who

00:49:47.440 were

00:49:47.580 out

00:49:47.820 here

00:49:48.040 on

00:49:48.200 the

00:49:48.360 frontier

00:49:49.660 of

00:49:49.940 the

00:49:50.040 internet

00:49:50.320 thing

00:49:50.620 could

00:49:51.100 we

00:49:51.240 have

00:49:51.380 done

00:49:51.560 things

00:49:51.820 differently

00:49:52.160 so

00:49:52.380 that

00:49:52.500 we

00:49:52.620 wouldn't

00:49:52.920 have

00:49:53.040 gotten

00:49:53.260 close

00:49:53.720 to

00:49:54.240 this

00:49:54.440 precipice

00:49:54.820 and I

00:49:55.040 think

00:49:55.160 we

00:49:55.260 both

00:49:55.500 think

00:49:55.980 it's

00:49:56.120 an

00:49:56.200 open

00:49:56.380 ended

00:49:56.580 question

00:49:57.000 maybe

00:49:57.300 we

00:49:57.720 could

00:49:57.940 maybe

00:49:58.180 we

00:49:58.340 couldn't

00:49:58.600 have

00:49:58.780 my

00:49:59.280 guess

00:49:59.900 is

00:50:00.060 we

00:50:00.180 couldn't

00:50:00.440 have

00:50:00.560 I

00:50:00.660 know

00:50:00.820 what

00:50:00.940 else

00:50:01.080 we

00:50:01.200 could

00:50:01.340 have

00:50:01.460 done

00:50:01.700 but

00:50:02.080 I

00:50:02.360 think

00:50:02.500 we

00:50:02.620 did

00:50:02.880 quite

00:50:03.420 a

00:50:03.580 lot

00:50:03.780 to

00:50:03.960 try

00:50:04.140 to

00:50:04.260 get

00:50:04.460 to

00:50:04.580 people

00:50:04.840 to

00:50:04.980 change

00:50:05.200 but

00:50:05.400 you

00:50:05.600 know

00:50:05.740 people

00:50:07.560 think

00:50:07.920 that

00:50:08.140 I

00:50:08.360 have

00:50:10.520 Sam

00:50:10.940 Harris

00:50:11.380 derangement

00:50:12.020 syndrome

00:50:12.360 nothing

00:50:13.880 could

00:50:14.120 be

00:50:14.260 further

00:50:14.460 from

00:50:14.620 truth

00:50:14.840 I

00:50:15.040 wish

00:50:15.600 Sam

00:50:16.200 and

00:50:16.460 all

00:50:16.720 these

00:50:16.940 other

00:50:17.220 guys

00:50:17.540 nothing

00:50:17.880 but

00:50:18.320 the

00:50:18.480 best

00:50:18.680 what

00:50:18.920 I

00:50:19.380 I'm

00:50:19.680 attacking

00:50:20.200 the

00:50:21.240 exemplar

00:50:22.060 that

00:50:22.220 they

00:50:22.380 represent

00:50:22.820 right

00:50:23.160 so

00:50:23.640 when

00:50:23.880 Sam

00:50:24.240 Harris

00:50:24.640 takes

00:50:25.000 the

00:50:25.200 positions

00:50:25.600 for

00:50:25.840 example

00:50:26.220 I'm

00:50:27.720 going

00:50:27.940 to

00:50:28.160 write

00:50:28.380 a

00:50:28.560 book

00:50:28.860 literally

00:50:30.080 called

00:50:30.660 Lying

00:50:31.300 where

00:50:32.160 he

00:50:32.560 extols

00:50:33.680 the

00:50:33.980 virtues

00:50:34.440 of

00:50:34.800 not

00:50:35.200 lying

00:50:35.600 and

00:50:36.040 how

00:50:36.220 important

00:50:36.560 it

00:50:36.780 is

00:50:36.940 to

00:50:37.100 live

00:50:37.280 an

00:50:37.440 honest

00:50:37.800 life

00:50:38.120 and

00:50:38.260 so

00:50:38.420 on

00:50:38.580 yes

00:50:38.820 okay

00:50:39.060 great

00:50:39.340 sign

00:50:39.640 me

00:50:40.080 up

00:50:40.220 for

00:50:40.320 that

00:50:40.500 but

00:50:41.240 then

00:50:41.700 fast

00:50:42.560 forward

00:50:43.080 he's

00:50:43.600 on

00:50:43.860 trigonometry

00:50:44.880 I can't

00:50:45.300 remember

00:50:45.400 what

00:50:45.580 show

00:50:45.760 you

00:50:45.920 where

00:50:46.440 he

00:50:46.560 says

00:50:46.780 no

00:50:47.200 it

00:50:47.440 was

00:50:47.640 perfectly

00:50:48.160 fine

00:50:48.780 to

00:50:49.240 have

00:50:49.520 hidden

00:50:49.980 and

00:50:50.240 suppressed

00:50:50.680 the

00:50:50.880 information

00:50:51.320 on

00:50:51.520 Hunter

00:50:51.780 Biden

00:50:52.160 because

00:50:52.920 consequentialist

00:50:54.660 ethics

00:50:55.100 which

00:50:55.360 I mean

00:50:55.800 he didn't

00:50:56.000 use

00:50:56.160 those

00:50:56.340 words

00:50:56.560 right

00:50:56.840 but

00:50:57.060 in

00:50:57.780 essence

00:50:58.040 it

00:50:58.980 got

00:50:59.900 well

00:51:00.300 the

00:51:00.420 ends

00:51:00.560 justify

00:51:00.900 the

00:51:01.060 means

00:51:01.180 exactly

00:51:01.560 the

00:51:01.840 end

00:51:02.020 justifies

00:51:02.420 the

00:51:02.560 means

00:51:02.680 and

00:51:03.020 therefore

00:51:03.500 wink

00:51:03.940 wink

00:51:04.260 don't

00:51:05.200 buy it

00:51:05.580 when I

00:51:05.820 tell you

00:51:06.120 don't

00:51:06.460 lie

00:51:06.800 lie

00:51:08.280 when it's

00:51:08.920 expeditious

00:51:09.520 for me

00:51:09.960 to

00:51:10.260 lie

00:51:10.960 right

00:51:11.200 if it

00:51:11.800 serves

00:51:12.060 my

00:51:12.240 purposes

00:51:12.600 well

00:51:13.300 that

00:51:13.800 gets

00:51:14.580 my

00:51:14.860 goat

00:51:15.180 right

00:51:15.440 because

00:51:15.800 I

00:51:16.500 am

00:51:16.680 authentic

00:51:17.240 and

00:51:17.540 truthful

00:51:17.840 to a

00:51:18.280 fault

00:51:18.520 and so

00:51:19.160 I

00:51:19.320 felt

00:51:19.600 a bit

00:51:19.860 of

00:51:20.040 a

00:51:20.380 maybe

00:51:21.340 I'm

00:51:24.660 because

00:51:24.980 on the

00:51:25.200 one

00:51:25.360 hand

00:51:25.700 having

00:51:27.120 known

00:51:27.440 him

00:51:27.720 you know

00:51:28.340 we had

00:51:28.780 dinner

00:51:28.980 together

00:51:29.380 I've

00:51:29.840 been

00:51:29.940 on

00:51:30.060 his

00:51:30.200 show

00:51:30.320 I mean

00:51:30.500 we weren't

00:51:30.820 best of

00:51:31.140 friends

00:51:31.300 but I

00:51:31.540 knew

00:51:31.680 him

00:51:31.820 personally

00:51:32.160 so

00:51:32.680 there

00:51:32.840 is

00:51:32.980 the

00:51:33.180 Middle

00:51:33.500 Eastern

00:51:33.960 code

00:51:34.300 of

00:51:34.460 conduct

00:51:34.840 that

00:51:35.140 says

00:51:35.400 don't

00:51:36.060 go

00:51:36.260 after

00:51:36.640 people

00:51:37.060 you

00:51:37.260 know

00:51:37.460 personally

00:51:38.080 I

00:51:38.280 felt

00:51:38.640 that

00:51:38.820 very

00:51:39.060 strongly

00:51:39.360 you

00:51:39.520 felt

00:51:39.680 the

00:51:39.820 same

00:51:40.000 way

00:51:40.120 not

00:51:40.280 to

00:51:40.640 do

00:51:40.820 it

00:51:40.940 for

00:51:41.060 a

00:51:41.200 long

00:51:41.400 time

00:51:41.680 but

00:51:42.180 then

00:51:42.680 I

00:51:43.160 started

00:51:43.560 getting

00:51:43.940 these

00:51:44.260 kind

00:51:44.480 of

00:51:44.620 bouts

00:51:45.260 of

00:51:45.760 angst

00:51:46.880 of

00:51:47.460 but

00:51:48.180 I

00:51:48.500 place

00:51:48.940 authenticity

00:51:49.660 and

00:51:50.120 truth

00:51:50.420 above

00:51:50.760 all

00:51:51.080 else

00:51:51.440 so

00:51:51.960 am

00:51:52.140 I

00:51:52.280 being

00:51:52.600 inauthentic

00:51:53.580 and

00:51:53.840 untruthful

00:51:54.720 by

00:51:55.200 biting

00:51:55.620 my

00:51:55.960 tongue

00:51:56.360 when

00:51:56.880 I

00:51:57.060 hear

00:51:57.360 him

00:51:57.600 spouting

00:51:58.940 pure

00:51:59.840 nonsense

00:52:00.320 all day

00:52:00.740 long

00:52:00.980 and

00:52:01.480 then

00:52:01.660 finally

00:52:02.100 that

00:52:02.460 one

00:52:02.720 won

00:52:03.000 right

00:52:03.620 and

00:52:03.820 so

00:52:03.960 I

00:52:04.120 came

00:52:04.400 out

00:52:04.720 at

00:52:04.960 first

00:52:05.260 I

00:52:05.460 came

00:52:05.720 out

00:52:05.980 in

00:52:06.180 my

00:52:06.620 usual

00:52:07.060 jocular

00:52:07.580 way

00:52:07.920 I

00:52:08.140 was

00:52:08.280 hiding

00:52:08.780 under

00:52:09.020 the

00:52:09.220 table

00:52:09.520 and

00:52:09.720 doing

00:52:09.880 all

00:52:10.020 these

00:52:10.140 kids

00:52:10.280 so

00:52:10.660 what

00:52:10.820 I'm

00:52:10.940 trying

00:52:11.220 to

00:52:11.460 communicate

00:52:15.760 the

00:52:15.880 position

00:52:16.140 you're

00:52:16.360 taking

00:52:16.640 but

00:52:17.440 then

00:52:17.640 he

00:52:17.760 didn't

00:52:17.960 respond

00:52:18.400 well

00:52:18.640 to

00:52:18.800 that

00:52:19.140 and

00:52:19.820 therefore

00:52:20.180 the

00:52:20.400 gloves

00:52:20.620 were

00:52:20.780 off

00:52:20.940 so

00:52:21.180 without

00:52:21.400 making

00:52:21.680 this

00:52:21.840 about

00:52:22.020 him

00:52:22.200 specifically

00:52:22.540 just

00:52:22.860 to

00:52:23.000 do

00:52:23.120 something

00:52:23.340 a little

00:52:23.660 more

00:52:23.860 broad

00:52:24.260 it

00:52:24.460 seems

00:52:24.760 to

00:52:24.940 me

00:52:25.080 that

00:52:25.300 largely

00:52:25.740 what

00:52:25.980 happened

00:52:26.260 to

00:52:26.400 him

00:52:26.600 is

00:52:26.840 is

00:52:27.180 parallel

00:52:28.020 to

00:52:28.360 what

00:52:28.560 happened

00:52:28.880 to

00:52:29.020 the

00:52:29.140 atheist

00:52:29.440 movement

00:52:29.900 across

00:52:30.380 the world

00:52:31.520 I would

00:52:31.860 say

00:52:32.040 because

00:52:32.220 he

00:52:32.340 was

00:52:32.520 deeply

00:52:33.220 tied

00:52:33.540 into

00:52:33.780 that

00:52:33.960 and

00:52:34.560 I

00:52:34.660 think

00:52:34.800 he

00:52:34.900 had

00:52:35.080 those

00:52:35.280 debates

00:52:35.580 with

00:52:35.780 Jordan

00:52:36.120 and

00:52:36.480 I

00:52:36.660 think

00:52:37.720 well

00:52:38.440 I guess

00:52:38.800 you can't

00:52:39.420 say it

00:52:39.600 objectively

00:52:40.020 but

00:52:40.300 close

00:52:40.800 to

00:52:40.940 objectively

00:52:41.400 I think

00:52:41.780 Jordan

00:52:42.140 won

00:52:42.800 or at

00:52:43.140 least

00:52:43.280 in terms

00:52:43.700 of the

00:52:43.960 public

00:52:44.340 reaction

00:52:45.720 to it

00:52:46.080 let's

00:52:46.260 say

00:52:46.420 where do

00:52:49.280 you place

00:52:49.680 the

00:52:49.920 atheist

00:52:50.280 movement

00:52:50.820 these

00:52:51.140 days

00:52:51.360 I mean

00:52:51.600 it

00:52:51.720 seems

00:52:51.920 like

00:52:52.060 there's

00:52:52.260 either

00:52:52.440 been

00:52:52.660 some

00:52:52.860 sort

00:52:53.100 of

00:52:53.220 belief

00:52:53.520 revival

00:52:54.000 or

00:52:54.280 it's

00:52:54.460 happening

00:52:54.760 right

00:52:55.040 now

00:52:55.340 or

00:52:55.540 I

00:52:55.880 mean

00:52:56.020 I

00:52:56.180 don't

00:52:56.400 know

00:52:56.580 the

00:52:56.820 epidemiology

00:52:57.940 of

00:52:58.340 lack

00:52:58.780 of

00:52:58.980 belief

00:52:59.460 has

00:52:59.780 over the

00:53:00.380 past

00:53:00.560 15

00:53:00.860 20

00:53:01.080 years

00:53:01.240 has

00:53:01.400 really

00:53:06.120 there

00:53:06.420 has

00:53:06.660 been

00:53:06.780 but

00:53:06.960 it

00:53:07.080 does

00:53:07.320 certainly

00:53:07.780 it

00:53:08.000 seems

00:53:08.200 like

00:53:08.360 within

00:53:08.580 the

00:53:08.800 zeit

00:53:09.060 guys

00:53:09.340 suddenly

00:53:09.700 people

00:53:10.040 are

00:53:10.180 talking

00:53:10.440 about

00:53:10.640 religion

00:53:11.000 and

00:53:11.200 belief

00:53:11.480 again

00:53:11.800 I

00:53:12.200 think

00:53:12.360 post

00:53:12.700 covid

00:53:13.060 people

00:53:13.380 started

00:53:13.720 waking

00:53:14.000 up

00:53:14.240 to

00:53:14.360 different

00:53:14.620 things

00:53:14.860 stop

00:53:15.140 believing

00:53:15.440 the

00:53:15.640 system

00:53:15.740 and

00:53:15.900 certainly

00:53:16.180 Jordan

00:53:16.600 has

00:53:17.000 contributed

00:53:17.540 a lot

00:53:18.200 to that

00:53:18.580 to a

00:53:18.900 lot

00:53:19.060 of

00:53:19.340 sort

00:53:19.640 of

00:53:19.760 young

00:53:20.140 men

00:53:20.920 who

00:53:21.200 were

00:53:21.500 kind

00:53:21.760 of

00:53:22.260 floundering

00:53:22.940 aimlessly

00:53:23.400 and then

00:53:23.720 he

00:53:23.820 comes

00:53:24.060 in

00:53:24.200 with

00:53:24.360 a

00:53:24.560 somewhat

00:53:25.320 clinical

00:53:26.100 psychologist

00:53:26.780 somewhat

00:53:27.300 spiritual

00:53:27.960 quasi

00:53:28.800 religious

00:53:29.220 so

00:53:29.580 certainly

00:53:31.500 the

00:53:31.800 new

00:53:32.060 atheist

00:53:32.500 movement

00:53:32.960 is

00:53:33.340 dead

00:53:34.000 rest

00:53:35.240 in

00:53:35.460 peace

00:53:35.720 for

00:53:36.980 those

00:53:37.180 of

00:53:37.300 you

00:53:37.380 who

00:53:37.520 don't

00:53:37.780 know

00:53:38.000 there

00:53:38.160 was

00:53:38.320 well

00:53:39.280 then it

00:53:41.940 recently

00:53:42.440 passed

00:53:42.780 away

00:53:43.060 so

00:53:43.360 he's

00:53:43.840 gone

00:53:44.180 well

00:53:45.360 Dawkins

00:53:45.840 is still

00:53:46.280 kind of

00:53:46.660 holding

00:53:46.960 the

00:53:47.220 candle

00:53:47.520 right

00:53:47.800 he's

00:53:48.260 had

00:53:48.420 a few

00:53:48.740 run-ins

00:53:49.140 with

00:53:49.400 Jordan

00:53:49.760 he

00:53:50.260 is

00:53:50.680 except

00:53:51.080 he's

00:53:51.480 made

00:53:51.680 it

00:53:51.800 very

00:53:52.020 clear

00:53:52.280 that

00:53:52.460 he's

00:53:52.620 very

00:53:52.840 happy

00:53:53.160 to

00:53:53.340 live

00:53:53.480 in

00:53:53.580 a

00:53:53.680 Christian

00:53:53.960 country

00:53:54.320 to

00:53:54.520 whatever

00:53:54.800 extent

00:53:55.140 you

00:53:55.320 could

00:53:55.460 call

00:53:55.660 the

00:53:55.800 UK

00:53:56.020 still

00:53:56.380 a

00:53:59.220 yeah

00:53:59.640 yeah

00:53:59.940 I mean

00:54:01.660 I actually

00:54:02.220 watched a

00:54:02.960 few of

00:54:03.300 the

00:54:03.840 interactions

00:54:05.180 with

00:54:05.520 Jordan

00:54:05.820 and

00:54:06.200 I

00:54:07.100 almost

00:54:07.380 felt

00:54:07.620 a bit

00:54:07.840 uncomfortable

00:54:08.280 about him

00:54:08.780 because

00:54:09.020 it

00:54:09.220 seemed

00:54:09.420 as though

00:54:09.780 they

00:54:10.240 couldn't

00:54:10.580 find

00:54:11.000 a place

00:54:11.600 where

00:54:11.780 they

00:54:11.920 could

00:54:12.080 have

00:54:12.280 a

00:54:12.440 meaningful

00:54:12.740 dialogue

00:54:13.180 right

00:54:13.440 because

00:54:13.740 Jordan

00:54:14.320 speaks

00:54:14.780 in

00:54:15.040 the

00:54:15.300 sort

00:54:15.820 of

00:54:15.920 the

00:54:16.080 biblical

00:54:16.380 narrative

00:54:17.140 metaphor

00:54:17.760 and

00:54:18.260 whereas

00:54:18.740 Dawkins

00:54:19.360 is all

00:54:19.880 about

00:54:20.300 everything

00:54:21.240 has to

00:54:22.180 be

00:54:22.400 scientifically

00:54:22.920 vertical

00:54:23.480 and

00:54:24.100 I

00:54:24.280 felt

00:54:24.640 as

00:54:24.840 though

00:54:24.940 they

00:54:25.060 were

00:54:25.200 speaking

00:54:25.600 over

00:54:26.420 each

00:54:26.640 other

00:54:26.800 is

00:54:26.920 that

00:54:27.040 is

00:54:27.200 that

00:54:27.320 right

00:54:29.220 I

00:54:59.200 couldn't say it better. Well how do you feel about that? How do you try to integrate those parts of your life? That's a great question. So I get one. One per show. No, you've had many. There is an evolutionary explanation for religion, actually. So in a sense, and this is not a cop-out answer that I don't want to answer you personally. I will also answer personally. Sure. So there are several ways to answer why religion exists from an evolutionary perspective. So let me break them down. There is what's called the adaptive,

00:54:59.220 the adaptive argument. Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it? Does it serve any adaptive function for us to be believers? So David Sloan Wilson, who is an evolutionary biologist, he's now retired, wrote a book called Darwin's Cathedral, where he argued that groups that are more religious than groups that are less religious end up out surviving the less religious groups because inherently religion creates greater communality, greater cohesion, greater cooperation, greater delineation of ingredients.

00:55:29.200 Group group, group, group, group, group, group, group. So for very earthly reasons, being religious pays off in the evolutionary game of life. Yes? Okay. So that's one argument. There is an exaptation argument. Exaptation means a byproduct of evolution. So for example, the fact that our skeletal system has the color that it does, there is no adaptive function to that. It's just an engineering pathway that lets, so it's a byproduct of other engineering decisions. Okay?

00:55:59.200 It's a byproduct of our religion is that it piggybacks on evolutionary mechanisms that already exist in us. Evolution simply rides that wave. Example. We've already evolved the mechanism of coalitional thinking. We view the world as blue team, red team. Look at Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They all have an us versus them.

00:56:29.200 You see? So there are some of us who accept Jesus who accept Jesus in their hearts and the rest of you who are going to burn in hell. There is the believers and the kuffar in Islam, the dirty non-believers, right?

00:56:37.660 And so what religion does is it takes this computational system that's already in our brain and it piggybacks on it, it uses it.

00:56:45.200 So as an evolutionist, I think that it is the default value for human beings to be believers. It is an anomaly when you are an atheist as a human being.

00:56:59.200 Now here though, I side with Dawkins in the following sentence, the fact that religion offers us tons of functional benefits doesn't mean if I'm a purist, I should believe it for those functional reasons. Do you follow what I mean?

00:57:17.520 So even though it may, look, if my child is four years old and gets, God forbid, stricken with leukemia and dies, it makes a lot more sense for me to be a believer. You know, it's because God works in mysterious ways. It's because God calls his most pure angels to be with him. That gives me solace. To imagine that shit happens and leukemia is just a random thing and too bad that Timmy's dead doesn't feel good.

00:57:44.580 Right. Or there are no atheists in a foxhole.

00:57:46.660 Or there's no atheists in a foxhole. So there are so many functional reasons to be a believer and so few to not be a believer. So my view is religion is here to stay accepted. Now, do I necessarily buy into, so I'm very, very Jewish. I'm very much tied to my Jewish identity, yet I don't necessarily subscribe to many of the rituals of Judaism. And I don't think I'm going to, as a matter of fact, I always joke with my, with rabbis that I know that,

00:58:14.580 I have paid a lot more to be Jewish than they will ever pay in 500 years of prayers.

00:58:20.040 How do they take that, usually?

00:58:20.840 Right? Well, they kind of sit back, right? Because I had to wear really good running shoes and run fast so that my head is not detached from the rest of my body because I'm Jewish.

00:58:29.380 Whereas you just put on...

00:58:30.420 Literally, you mean that?

00:58:31.320 I mean, literally.

00:58:31.900 Yeah.

00:58:32.180 Right? Now, by the way, I also put on Tfilin. Did you know this, by the way? I'm breaking new ground here. So at Cornell, so I did my PhD at Cornell.

00:58:40.780 There was a Chabad rabbi, Lubavitch rabbi. I became very good friends with him. Rabbi Eli Silberstein, gave him a shout out. We got to know each other very well. He would invite me over for Shabbat dinner. You know, hardcore stuff, right? Lubavitch rabbi.

00:58:54.660 And we'd have very philosophical conversations. As I was about to leave Cornell, he said, God... I said, uh-oh, here comes the ask, right? You know, these guys are very sly. They're smiling assassins, as we say.

00:59:06.900 Okay. So he said, can I ask you to do me a favor? I said, shoot, rabbi. He said, how about you wear Tfilin for me? You have a pure Jewish soul, blah, blah, blah. He played on maybe my vanity.

00:59:19.320 And for the next 10 or 11 years after I made that promise, Dave, I put on Tfilin every day. Now, I didn't put it on necessarily because every single element of that rich, but I did put it on as a overt signal of my belonging to a shared group with a shared genetic heritage and historical heritage and persecution heritage.

00:59:48.180 And by doing that for 5-10 minutes in the morning, I was reaffirming that I belonged to that group. And so I think there are beautiful elements of religion that I could subscribe to without necessarily being tied down to the minutiae of every word.

01:00:04.440 Does that make sense?

01:00:05.000 Yeah. So if we were splitting hairs there for the type of person that maybe needs belief in like the... You're basically saying there's like a utilitarian version of it, and then there's the sort of more mystical version of it.

01:00:17.500 Right. Do you think that the decision between that whatever, to whatever extent people are making a decision on those two things, you think that's just built into them?

01:00:26.400 It is built into them. I think what bothers me, by the way, is when there is an overlapping of the influence of one into the other, meaning I'm talking about science versus religion.

01:00:37.800 So for example, Stephen Jay Gould, who was a famous paleontologist at Harvard, proposed something called NOMA. NOMA is non-overlapping magisteria, meaning that he was what's called an accommodationist.

01:00:51.280 He didn't want to be hostile to religion the way Dawkins is. He said, look, religion serves a purpose here. Science serves a purpose here.

01:00:59.560 Let them not overlap and everybody can sing kumbaya together. I'm not quite as accommodationist because the problem is that you do get overlap.

01:01:09.480 You don't get non-overlapping magisteria because religion does make statements that should be only within the purview of science.

01:01:17.180 No, I cannot tolerate that a young earth creationist tells me that the earth is that age, contravening what the geologists told me.

01:01:27.600 Because now you're demonstrating religious hubris that is frankly incorrect, right?

01:01:32.420 So I can see the value of religion, but please stay in your lane.

01:01:37.100 Right. Well, also in a world where everything's become political, I mean, how are you going to have a debate about abortion, let's say, without crossing up science and religion?

01:01:47.900 But you've, if I may, I don't know if we were, but I think you've become a bit more of a believer in the last few years, yes?

01:01:54.360 Yeah.

01:01:54.780 And what, I mean, I know that, of course, you've hung around with Jordan and so on and that helped.

01:01:59.460 Are there other things that cause you to become more of a believer?

01:02:03.580 Um, well, I think there were a few things. I mean, I think spending the amount of time that I spent about with Jordan and then seeing the, and I guess this is the utilitarian argument for it, seeing the literal transformations that he was doing with people's lives.

01:02:16.780 So I always say, if people ask me about Jordan, like, you know, if I'm at the supermarket and someone says something about Jordan, like to me, he's, he's a prophet in the sense, I don't know if I mean that in the most literal biblical sense.

01:02:27.320 Right.

01:02:57.320 Because then you start seeing an unbreakable chain. And I think you probably don't want to be the one to, to break it. Actually, you'll appreciate this. One of my friends who is modern Orthodox Jewish. Um, so he's fairly religious. Um, he, I asked him about it and he's had a pretty lost his father, very young. He's had some real difficult stuff in his life.

01:03:17.760 And I asked him about why he's still so religious despite some of a tragedy in his life. And he said that his grandfather survived the Holocaust and still was a believer till he died. And he felt that he couldn't break that chain. So I think that that probably is a piece of it.

01:03:32.820 Yeah. I just, before we came to, we were flying out of, uh, Montreal, I had some, uh, Lubavitch guys come up to me and recognize me. So it's kind of fun. You think that they never check the internet and they're, they're stuck reading.

01:03:48.240 Don't they have their own internet or something?

01:03:49.480 They don't have their own, exactly. And so, oh, thank you so much for your word. And so, so even the ultra Orthodox pay attention to some of our work.

01:03:57.280 What else is on your mind these days? What else is on mine? Before I make you two giant tomahawk steaks that you saw?

01:04:03.500 Oh my, by the way, people, should I look at this camera? Yeah. I saw the tomahawk. Do you remember what I told you? I will twerk for those tomahawks.

01:04:11.120 You don't have to twerk. You don't? Well, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see about the tequila first.

01:04:14.940 Let's leave it open. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe a couple of tequilas that will twerk. Uh, I'm extreme, I'm, I'm, can I say that I was almost as excited about the tomahawks as I was in holding this conversation?

01:04:26.160 Well, we've done this. We've done this many, many times. You've never had the Dave Rubin tomahawk.

01:04:30.740 I'm very, very excited. And what's keeping me, what's...

01:04:33.060 Yeah, well, what else is on your mind right now? I mean, you got a new book coming out. You're obviously happy with the new gig. There's a lot of wacky stuff going on in Canada. You're sometimes occasionally hiding under the desk still. There's a lot going on. But what else?

01:04:44.500 What else have you been busy? Just trying to be the best father and husband to my family. I always love when I travel with them because all of these experiences become that much more enriching when they can see it. And I know you're not going to show the camera, but my daughter and wife are sitting over there. And so it's nice to expose them to these new experiences. So hopefully I can be the best husband and the best father I can be and the rest will take care of itself.

01:05:09.600 And your son, who's 13, is about to kick your butt.

01:05:12.760 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want to be very clear about this, Gadsad, and it's on video. I am not letting no 13-year-old... Maybe that was a double negative, but no 13-year-old would be hiding me in basketball.

01:05:23.240 You were talking about...

01:05:23.700 Although his handle's pretty good. I saw some stuff out there.

01:05:26.040 You said, what's been on my mind. I'm not liking the fact that very, very soon he will be literally looking down on me, which is not a difficult thing to do because I'm not the tallest guy in the world, but it looks like he's going to be well taller than me. I guess that's a good thing.

01:05:45.860 Is that the end? It's a strange ending to a fine...

01:05:50.600 He'll never have my green eyes. How about that? That's still not good?

01:05:54.340 I don't think we can end a little stronger. Give me some deep piece of wisdom. We can't just end on the fact that your son might be taller than you. That doesn't seem like the proper ending to a show.

01:06:03.840 Give me a... Well, how about an evolutionary explanation for why your son might be taller than you, but you'll tolerate him despite that or something like that? How about that?

01:06:13.220 Well, okay. I'll tell you this. There is an expression. It's a Hebrew-Arabic. Maybe that's probably not a good way I should end it.

01:06:20.040 Hebrew-Arabic?

01:06:20.820 Yeah. No, not a Hebrew-Arabic. It's like an Arabic spoken by Jews.

01:06:24.960 Okay.

01:06:25.300 So they create their own little dialect. The term is called sin-n-sh'alut. Sin means the era. Sh'alut means the era of obnoxiousness. So you will see this when your boys become that age.

01:06:37.740 When the kids hit teenage years, they become a bit... They try different personas and so on. He's hit that. But I'm proud to say that both of my children have hit the teenage years with a lot of poison grace. And so my wife and I probably are doing something right.

01:06:57.100 I'm going to beat your son in horse, and then I'm going to cook you a steak. Fair enough? Let's do it.

01:07:02.080 Thank you, sir. Cheers.

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Exposing the Unexpected Science Behind Why Liberals Get Selfishness Wrong (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_763)

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