The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Former UK Prime Minister Liz Truss - Could Britain and the West Be Saved？ (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_917)

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00:01:05.680 Hi everybody, this is Gad Saad. I've had lords on the show, I've had knights on the show,

00:01:11.240 but I can't say I've had a former Prime Minister of the UK on the show. The Right Honourable

00:01:17.720 Liz Truss, how are you doing?

00:01:19.840 I'm very well, Gad. How are you?

00:01:21.420 I'm doing well. So such a pleasure to meet you. I guess for those of you who don't know,

00:01:27.340 Liz, and I asked her permission for us to address each other by first name, and she kindly and

00:01:33.700 graciously said yes. So Liz was, I guess about three years ago, you served as Prime Minister,

00:01:38.760 correct?

00:01:39.600 That's right, yes.

00:01:41.960 While I understand that at times it's probably not healthy to engage in a psychology of regret,

00:01:48.120 is there anything in what transpired, which is you didn't serve very long as Prime Minister of the

00:01:54.240 UK, that you regret, that could have been differently, that could have allowed you to

00:01:58.520 still be sitting in that particular position?

00:02:01.880 Well, I think if I'd got along with the orthodoxy, I would still be Prime Minister, or at least I would

00:02:07.920 have lasted until the election, when the British public kicked the Conservative Party out in 2024.

00:02:14.500 But there's nothing that I tried to do that I think is wrong. And in fact, what is going on in Britain

00:02:22.080 now, which is the country's going to hell in a handcart, I think makes the point about what I was

00:02:28.000 trying to do.

00:02:29.560 Right. I mean, so I was going to ask you next, from where you were then to now, has there been an

00:02:34.780 improvement or a deterioration? Clearly, your answer would be the latter, I suppose.

00:02:38.980 Every single indicator has got worse. All the economic indicators, debt is worse,

00:02:45.860 growth is lower, gilts are higher. But everything in the country is worse. And whether it's people

00:02:56.680 being arrested for free speech violations, whether it's what's happening with the lack of inquiry on

00:03:05.780 the rape gangs, I mean, I could go on, but the situation is pretty dire. And the current Labour

00:03:12.600 Party who are in power, they're at 15% in the polls, which demonstrates that people are not happy

00:03:19.100 with the state of the country.

00:03:21.560 Wow. So even less popular than the Democrats in the United States. Yes.

00:03:25.620 Well, Keir Starmer is the most unpopular Prime Minister of Britain ever.

00:03:29.380 Wow. And probably the most unpopular leader of Britain since King John, who was forced to sign

00:03:35.840 the Magna Carta. You know, this is, we are in, we are in unprecedented territory. I mean,

00:03:40.700 the Conservative Party aren't doing very well at all. The Reform Party is number one in the polls,

00:03:47.200 followed by the Green Party, who have got a manned army style communist as head of their party. So

00:03:53.760 it is, we are in very unprecedented times. And, you know, going back to 2022, I was trying to

00:04:04.300 do something about that. I was trying to rest the car off the car before it drove off the cliff.

00:04:12.280 That's what I was trying to do. And everyone said, Oh, it's too uncomfortable. You know,

00:04:15.860 your handbrake turn is too uncomfortable. But it's even worse now. And, you know, if I look across,

00:04:25.180 you know, across and what's going on in Canada and Australia, I think our countries are in

00:04:29.840 competition with who can be the most woke, economically unsuccessful country in the world.

00:04:36.140 And, you know, we're all doing pretty well. But I think Britain is probably winning the competition. 0.72

00:04:40.220 Oh, is that right? I might beg to differ. I think, I mean, yes, you guys are insane.

00:04:44.300 Canada is bad. Canada is bad. So, I mean, I don't know. What is Mark Carney's ratings in the 1.00

00:04:50.920 Canadian opinion polls? What is the Liberal Party on at the moment?

00:04:55.120 That's a good question. I don't know. I haven't seen the latest sort of opinion polls on him.

00:04:59.040 Give me a rough idea. Give me a rough idea.

00:05:01.380 Somewhere between the 15% you mentioned and maybe the low 30s, I would suspect somewhere around.

00:05:06.600 Okay, that's a big difference. This has been under 20% for quite some time. You know, this is bad.

00:05:12.300 So, I'm going to drill down to many of the topics that both you and I care about, you know, open border

00:05:18.800 immigration, Islam, and all the rest of it, the grooming gangs in Britain. But before we speak 0.90

00:05:24.360 about that, let's sort of turn it globally. And I suspect the same problems arise in Britain in

00:05:28.900 particular. You wrote a book a few years ago, 10 Years to Save the West. Do we have the luxury of 10

00:05:35.280 years? Or do you want to reduce that number to five years?

00:05:38.640 Well, I was saying that it would take 10 years. And if we didn't act over the next 10 years,

00:05:46.440 then I felt the West would be lost. Now, I wrote that book in 2024. Since then, President Trump

00:05:52.080 has been elected. So, I think we've had one major positive in the last year or so. And

00:06:01.280 we need to see that Trump revolution, first of all, succeed fully in the US. And I don't think

00:06:09.900 it's baked in by any stretch of the imagination. I think you can see the enemies of populism,

00:06:16.500 the enemies of nationalism striking out against Trump. The pro-globalist forces are still very,

00:06:22.580 very powerful, even in America. But we need to see that revolution elsewhere in the world,

00:06:27.280 in Canada, in Britain, across Europe. Otherwise, I do think the West will be lost to a combination

00:06:34.760 of the neo-Marxist and the Islamists.

00:06:37.900 Right. So, as you probably know, I wrote a book several years ago, The Parasitic Mind,

00:06:43.980 which talks about what happens when your cognitive system is hijacked. And in my forthcoming book,

00:06:48.940 which looks like it might be an even bigger deal than the previous book, Suicidal Empathy,

00:06:53.560 I talk about what happens when your emotional system is hijacked. In my view, pretty much all

00:07:00.820 of the problems that are threatening the West, whether it be through domestic policies or foreign

00:07:05.460 policies, stem from this one-two-punch combination of parasitized minds and suicidal empathy. Would you

00:07:12.600 agree that that would be the case? Or is there anything else you'd add to that two-pronged approach

00:07:17.260 The point I would make is what we've seen, particularly over the last 50 years, is a capturing

00:07:24.400 of institutions by the left. And, you know, what do they believe? Well, they believe in the opposite of

00:07:31.580 Western values, you know, whether it's Christianity, free speech, scientific knowledge, truth, human

00:07:39.220 biology, they're against all of those things, because they want to destroy it. And, you know,

00:07:46.740 what you're talking about is how they do it. You know, how did they take over the institutions? How

00:07:53.680 did they convince people that women could become men? You know, how did they convince people that, 0.73

00:07:59.900 you know, the British Empire was a wholly bad thing and should be, you know, British and paper 1.00

00:08:05.960 impressions or whatever, you know. But what has happened is there has been an ideological takeover.

00:08:12.440 And there's been a lot of people who have gone along with it. And including in so-called conservative

00:08:19.560 parties in countries like Britain, they've accepted that premise. And now that's killing us from within.

00:08:29.400 Now, as to the kind of psychological manifestation of that, or why people, some people don't go along with

00:08:35.880 it. And some people do. It's not really something that I am, I have considered, considered.

00:08:43.800 When you speak to some of your colleagues, political colleagues, some of whom might be

00:08:49.720 exhibiting many of the, you know, parasitized thinking and suicidal empathy that I just mentioned

00:08:55.240 earlier, do they privately sort of wink at you and say, I get it, I understand we have a problem.

00:09:00.920 But the ship is going in one direction. And as you mentioned earlier, also they do. So there is

00:09:05.800 at least that hope.

00:09:06.680 They do. They, well, they say things like, I don't want to be on the wrong side of history.

00:09:12.200 Or, you know, they, they're uncomfortable with their friends, if they don't advocate these points

00:09:19.800 of view. Or, some have openly admitted to me that it's because they want to get a job.

00:09:25.080 You know, I've decided to back net zero because that means I can get these jobs at climate change

00:09:31.560 conferences, whatever else. You know, so it can be a combination of the venal, the kind of wanting

00:09:37.880 to fit in, I think is a big part of it. Feeling that it's just inevitable. I think that is a, so one

00:09:46.280 of the things the left have managed to give in to people of, you know, it's inevitable that China will 0.70

00:09:51.400 rise and become the most powerful country in the world. It's inevitable that, you know, the,

00:09:58.600 the number of mosques in Britain is going to grow, and you've just got to deal with it. You know, 1.00

00:10:04.280 they've sort of created an air of inevitability about the decline of Britain, the decline of Western

00:10:12.440 values.

00:10:13.560 So how do you explain, I mean, there's always usually a disconnect between sort of the,

00:10:18.680 the parasitic thinking of the political class that typically can shelter themselves from the 1.00

00:10:23.880 dreadful, you know, consequences of their stupidity. But then I would think that most of the 1.00

00:10:29.320 common people walking around believe that this is all nonsense. So then how does...

00:10:34.920 Of course they do. Like, everybody thinks it's nonsense. But we've now got to the stage in Britain

00:10:39.400 that if you say it's nonsense, you know, you could lose your job, or you could be arrested.

00:10:46.760 I mean, this is what, literally a comedian, Graham Lineman, was arrested at Hebrew Airport for

00:10:52.200 tweeting something about transgender on, on, on X. You know, we've had nurses who refuse to go in the

00:10:58.680 same changing room as a man who's claiming to be a woman. They've actually been taken to court by

00:11:04.840 the health authority. So yes, you know, when, when real people in Britain rub up against this craziness,

00:11:13.400 then a lot of them will think, well, it's not worth losing my job, or I can't, I can't afford to

00:11:23.640 survive if I don't go along with this. But certainly, everybody knows it's nonsense. Pretty much everybody,

00:11:29.800 I would say. Like, you know, on the transgender stuff, I'd say at least 80 or 90% think it's nonsense. 0.91

00:11:36.440 Right. So the grooming gangs, as I mean, of course, you've known about it for decades. 0.66

00:11:41.000 Most of the people, certainly on this side of the Atlantic, you know, didn't know much about it.

00:11:45.720 And then for several reasons, one of which, of course, is Elon Musk's big platform to be able to advertise

00:11:51.400 the issue. Now a greater number of people know about it. Within England, you would think that they are,

00:11:57.080 you know, setting places on fire in their outrage that, you know, I don't know how many,

00:12:01.240 what's the latest number? Is it 250,000 were groomed and raped? 0.60

00:12:04.760 Nobody knows the exact number, because there hasn't actually been a proper inquiry into what's

00:12:10.120 happened, even though the government have promised one, there hasn't been one. And just to spell it out,

00:12:16.360 so I was a government minister for 10 years before becoming prime minister. And I only really

00:12:23.960 found out about this by watching a BBC documentary called Free Girls. I think that was out in 2017.

00:12:31.880 So it was not widely known or understood. There were some articles in the Times by a journalist,

00:12:40.680 there was the BBC documentary, and then more of it was exposed. But I think the extent to which it

00:12:47.880 was being covered up by the police, by local councils, by the Home Office was huge.

00:12:54.200 And then what happened is when the documentary came out and people were horrified about what the

00:13:01.960 way that these working class girls have been targeted systematically by these appalling, not just 1.00

00:13:09.720 rape, you know, torture, even murder, had taken place, you know, really gruesome, gruesome findings.

00:13:20.200 I think, so I was a government minister, a different government department at the time,

00:13:24.280 I think I was in the Treasury. So I wasn't directly involved. I watched about it on TV,

00:13:29.080 I thought it was horrific. Everybody, you know, was talking about it. And you kind of assume

00:13:37.240 that the people were being prosecuted. So I assumed that, and, you know, there was lots of,

00:13:45.800 we then saw groups of these Pakistani, you know, men who'd been committing these crimes, 1.00

00:13:53.800 we saw them in court in Rochdale, in Leeds, you know, we saw they were being prosecuted. So I assumed

00:13:59.800 that this had been dealt with. And then, you know, it was, I think, in 2020, um, 2023, 24,

00:14:11.640 it was, came again, and I was horrified that, you know, that, that the people in charge had done,

00:14:19.320 had not done anything about it, or at least hadn't succeeded in rooting it out. And

00:14:25.880 you then start to question, and this is what I have really done since my time as prime minister,

00:14:33.400 and what I saw, I saw it from the top, and also what I've learned about since, you then really start

00:14:41.240 to question the system and say, have we actually got an accountable police force? You know, is the

00:14:47.800 judiciary actually acting in the interest of the public? You know, what on earth is going on at the

00:14:53.080 Home Office? And yeah, I know a lot of ministers who've been at the Home Office, who are, you know,

00:14:58.920 people I would consider to be honourable people, you know, was the truth being hidden from them?

00:15:03.880 And then, and then the media, and you know, this week, Donald Trump has been talking about suing the

00:15:10.600 BBC, because they lied about coverage of him. What they have failed to do is they failed to report on

00:15:18.680 the grooming gangs. So what has happened is, some people have been prosecuted, but clearly these

00:15:25.240 gangs are still in operation. The media don't talk about it anymore, the mainstream media,

00:15:31.160 and people have moved on. That, that is the sad truth about what, what has gone on.

00:15:36.600 But it is, it is shocking, and it just, it leads me, and this is what I think now needs to happen,

00:15:43.640 is that the British system is just broken. It's just broken.

00:15:47.800 Do you think that we should be expecting the title Sir Tommy Robinson soon?

00:15:54.200 Well, I very much doubt that.

00:15:57.400 I'm saying this, I'm saying this facetiously, but certainly he was the one who was calling it,

00:16:02.760 right? Well, he's definitely one of the earliest people to raise this issue. And, you know,

00:16:10.360 the problem has become in Britain that being accused of being racist is the worst possible

00:16:18.520 crime that anybody can commit. Yeah. More than pedophilia.

00:16:22.600 Actually, yeah, more than pedophilia, more than rape, more than torture. And the moral compass has just

00:16:31.240 gone, gone out the window. And people who have raised this issue, including people like Maggie

00:16:37.560 Oliver, who was in the police in the north of England, you know, she, she got cancelled, she got

00:16:44.120 marginalised, you know, and this is what the system has done to anybody who raises, raises those issues.

00:16:53.560 So, having served in the highest possible office, is there a way back for you to, if it interests you,

00:17:02.600 to re-enter politics? Or, or it could only be at that level because you don't want to suffer the

00:17:09.880 indignity of coming in at a lower level than you've already?

00:17:12.440 I don't care about, I frankly don't care about my dignity. I'm not interested in that at all.

00:17:17.640 I don't care. But what I do care about is, I am only, I would only be willing to be in government

00:17:24.840 again, if I am actually able to do things and be held accountable for what I do, and be able to

00:17:32.680 hire and fire the people that work for me. Because, you know, the reason I was Prime Minister for such a

00:17:38.440 short time is, I was sabotaged by the Bank of England, by the Treasury, who didn't like my

00:17:45.400 policies. And we've now got to a stage in Britain where the, the system or the, the officials,

00:17:52.840 whatever you want to call them, the blob, the deep state, are calling the shots. So,

00:17:58.920 I think that needs to be exposed. And I do think this is happening. I talked about the terrible state

00:18:05.400 of the government in the opinion polls earlier. But I think people in Britain are waking up

00:18:09.720 to just how, how broken it is. So the answer is, of course, I'm prepared to do anything

00:18:15.880 to make my country better again. But, you know, what, would I go in as it is now? No, because

00:18:23.640 I know from being there, that you go along with the orthodoxy, or you get kicked out. And,

00:18:29.320 you know, no, thank you. So you mentioned earlier, Donald Trump, who, of course, is sort of a

00:18:35.000 cataclysmic agent of change. If we were to draw a parallel in Britain, I guess the first name that

00:18:41.000 would come up would be Nigel Farage. Do you feel that he has the capacity to be as cataclysmic of a

00:18:50.360 agent of change, or he fails on that sort of metric? Well, no one is quite like Donald Trump,

00:18:56.840 I think it's fair to say. And, you know, I sometimes say that he will finish being US 0.59

00:19:02.600 president in January 2029. And that's just enough time to stand in the next British election, which

00:19:07.960 would be, which would be beautiful. And he has a, he has a Scottish mother. So he's very,

00:19:14.280 he's very well qualified. And I think one of the key points about Trump is that he had been president

00:19:21.960 before. And he learned from it. And he know, he knew what happened, which is the leakings,

00:19:29.800 the briefings, the people you can't trust, the bureaucrats. And he came in, in 2025, this year,

00:19:39.080 with a plan that was ready formulated, he flooded the zone, he had lots of these executive orders,

00:19:44.840 he had the people that he could trust to actually deliver. And that is the challenge,

00:19:49.240 I think, for Nigel Farage, if he does become prime minister, which is he hasn't had the 2016 experience.

00:19:57.400 And Britain can ill afford a Trump one period. I've told I've talked about the state the country is

00:20:04.280 already in, whether it's economics, demographics, crime, law and order. It's in a it's in a very,

00:20:15.160 a very poor state. If I were to state what I consider to be that by far the greatest threat

00:20:22.760 to the West, it would be the entry of immigrants who don't share any of the theological principles 1.00

00:20:31.800 that the West is founded on. And of course, I'm specifically referring to those who come from

00:20:37.000 Islamic backgrounds. And yes, I hate to have to preface that not all Muslims are mean and bad, 0.60

00:20:41.800 and many are lovely. Now, of course, in Britain, I think you're probably now around four or five

00:20:46.440 percent Islamic, although many is that does that sound like the right number?

00:20:50.600 It might be the right number. It might not. I think it's around there. Somebody will correct.

00:20:54.360 I don't think our official statistics. I mean, our national statistics office has gone woke as well.

00:21:00.680 So we don't know. Our statistics are bad. So let's let's different estimates.

00:21:05.880 There are different estimates. Okay, so whatever the numbers, whatever, okay, whatever the numbers

00:21:10.760 are, one immediate policy that one could implement, whomever the person would be who is running the

00:21:17.080 country would be to say, okay, well, we're going to greatly reduce immigration from countries that 0.99

00:21:22.520 don't share a sense of cultural homophily similarity in terms of our foundational values.

00:21:28.040 But that still leaves the fact that there are many, many millions of people that are already

00:21:33.560 in the West that you would have to engage in a form of repatriation, send them off. Do you think

00:21:40.680 that there could ever be a Western leader that has that level of testicular fortitude? Or the best that

00:21:47.160 we can do is to put a pause on the current immigration patterns?

00:21:51.560 Well, definitely, it's absolutely possible to put a pause and a stop. And I would say it's not just

00:22:01.320 people from countries that we don't share their values. I think there's just there's a numbers

00:22:06.840 problem. We've got an Islamism problem in Britain, and we have a numbers problem as well. And we have 1.00

00:22:14.280 huge unemployment amongst the British workforce. So there's an overall problem with immigration. And

00:22:23.080 a lot of the problem with immigration goes back to the human rights laws that Tony Blair introduced,

00:22:28.440 which essentially gave illegal migrants the same human rights as Brits. I think there are other 0.96

00:22:34.600 things that can be done though, such as stopping cousin marriage in our country, stopping Sharia law 0.86

00:22:43.640 being operated, you know, dealing with the grooming gangs, stopping people bringing in relatives,

00:22:51.960 which is chain immigration. So what's happened is, you know, in some parts of England, essentially,

00:22:59.560 a village in Pakistan has been recreated. And that is perpetuated by bringing in new people. And that

00:23:08.120 that can also be stopped. And we also have a huge problem with foreign criminals. Again, 0.99

00:23:16.440 those people ought to be deported. So I think there is a lot that can be done to deal with this problem.

00:23:25.080 I went to London this past summer, I spent a couple of days in London, and then at the University of

00:23:31.800 Buckingham, which is about two hours away. And I had been invited to the House of Lords by one of the

00:23:38.600 Lords. And as I don't know if you saw this clip. I'm afraid the House of Lords is, it's full of

00:23:44.360 former civil servants and former judges. Yeah, fair enough.

00:23:48.440 Represents some of the most part of the deep state in Britain. Yeah, right. Fair enough. But that's

00:23:55.400 not the point of my story. So as I was trying to go to the entrance of the House of Lords,

00:24:01.960 there was a massive protest, free, free Palestine, global intifada. And so I had to get police escort.

00:24:10.280 My wife was accompanying me. I had to get police escort to be able to sort of break through

00:24:15.720 sort of the barricade of protesters in order to enter the House of Lords. And to me,

00:24:21.160 that was a perfect encapsulation of where we are in the West, where a guest of someone from the House

00:24:27.800 of Lords, who's going to go talk about issues like freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry,

00:24:32.120 and all the things that you would expect Britain to support needs police protection just to break

00:24:38.280 through the barrier. Yeah. And frankly, many Jewish people in Britain have been advised not to go into

00:24:49.560 particular places or to be careful about wearing, you know, wearing the clothes they want to wear

00:24:57.240 because of these protests and marches. And it's, it's completely wrong. And it goes right to the top

00:25:05.320 of the police, you know, they have been captured. Yeah. And, you know, back to the point I was making

00:25:11.160 about the way the government works. The problem is that even if you had a prime minister who wanted

00:25:17.640 to take action, wanted to stop this intimidation, actually doing it is very difficult because currently

00:25:24.600 those people can't be hired and fired.

00:25:27.400 Are you able to, I mean, of course, as a former prime minister, you're always going to have some

00:25:33.720 sort of security detail, but do you feel sufficiently confident to just kind of live a normal life,

00:25:39.320 to go to a restaurant, to go to the movie theater?

00:25:41.560 Oh, yes, I do. Yes, I do.

00:25:43.160 Oh, really?

00:25:43.320 But I do have security. I do have security.

00:25:46.920 Wow. As I was doing my homework sort of about on your background, something that interested me was

00:25:53.080 the fact that your dad was a, or maybe still is, I don't know if he's still alive, a professor of

00:25:59.160 pure mathematics. Now, I have a background in mathematics. Maybe you could tell us something

00:26:04.520 about that. Completely different from politics. You are more than just a political person. Can you

00:26:10.120 tell us a bit about his academic background? Well, he's a, yeah, he's a pure mathematician,

00:26:16.360 a logician, but he's retired now. Did you at all follow in his footsteps in terms of your

00:26:22.920 appreciation of math or not really? I did. I did maths at A-level, but then I went to do philosophy,

00:26:29.400 politics and economics. I did a bit of formal logic. Oh, very nice. Yes. So what's next for Liz Truss? 0.87

00:26:38.440 What, what, what can we expect of you? Is there another book that is in the works? Is there-

00:26:43.000 No, I think I've done my, I've done my booking. I'm not like you, Gad. I can't sort of

00:26:48.280 get another book. I wanted to, what I wanted to do after my time in Downing Street is really

00:26:56.280 explain what had happened and the build up to it and what is wrong with our government. Because

00:27:04.120 I really believe that the, the sort of the Western disease has now exists in America and Canada and

00:27:13.000 Britain across Europe. A lot of it has become, is because of the state and the role of the state,

00:27:21.080 which I think has diminished the role of the family. I think the state inevitably, I'm a great

00:27:28.840 believer in O'Sullivan's law. Any organisation that isn't explicitly right-wing becomes left-wing

00:27:33.560 over time. I think it's been captured. And I think if we are to save the West, which is the title of the

00:27:39.160 book, then we have to deal with it. And what I want to do now is I want to work to help deliver a

00:27:52.360 Trump-style revolution in Europe. I don't believe it's inevitable. I mean,

00:27:57.800 lots of my friends around the world will say things like, Britain is gone. It's done. It's

00:28:02.600 finished. You know, people are leaving, by the way, more millionaires are leaving Britain than any other

00:28:07.240 country in the world, apart from China per capita. But I think this country needs to be saved. I think it

00:28:15.160 needs to be saved. And I'm so proud of what we brought to the world, whether it was Magna Carta,

00:28:22.120 the Bill of Rights, free speech, the fact that we are now arresting comedians at airports tell you

00:28:28.840 it's gone very, very seriously wrong. But I think you mentioned this earlier. I think

00:28:34.280 the British people are not like that. I think they do sort of have the traditional values of Britain,

00:28:46.360 whether it's Christian values, patriotic values, a belief in freedom. And, you know, we have to win

00:28:54.840 this fight. We have to win this fight. Because if Europe goes down, let's say Europe becomes Islamist, 0.97

00:29:06.680 then that's a threat to Canada, America, the world. Indeed. Well, as a final question,

00:29:15.160 if I were to ask you on a scale of zero to 100, zero, you're the most maximally pessimistic

00:29:22.040 about our chances to autocorrect. A hundred is you're absolutely certain. Give me a number,

00:29:27.800 Prime Minister. Well, I'm just a terrible optimist. So I'd sort of go, was it a one to 10 scale? No,

00:29:35.320 zero to 100. Zero to 100. I'd be about like 90. Oh boy, I thought I was optimistic and I would put it

00:29:44.600 at about 55, but okay. No, but I just think, I think people are waking up. I think

00:29:52.600 the Trump, I can't tell you what a big change Trump made in Britain. And the feeling of those of us who

00:30:01.160 understand that we're in serious trouble, finally, that America was waking up, that was such a big

00:30:07.960 moment. And I feel there's an energy here amongst the people that want to see change. And the people

00:30:18.360 who are the lovers of the status quo, who want Britain to decline, who accept the kind of Islamist, 0.88

00:30:25.880 the Islamist takeover of various parts of our country. I think those people are on, 1.00

00:30:32.600 they're losing the argument, even though they're big and they're powerful and they're well funded.

00:30:38.200 Well, from your lips to God's ear, as we say, regarding your optimism, please stay on the line

00:30:44.120 so we could say goodbye offline. I will be, by the way, hopefully coming to London to the ARC

00:30:50.120 conference in June, the organization that Jordan Peterson set up. If you'll be around,

00:30:55.320 it'll be nice to get a coffee with you. Thank you so much.

00:30:58.040 Great. I will see you then.

00:30:59.240 Thank you. Cheers. Stay on the line. Cheers.

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - November 14, 2025

Former UK Prime Minister Liz Truss - Could Britain and the West Be Saved？ (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_917)

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