Former UK Prime Minister Liz Truss - Could Britain and the West Be Saved？ (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_917)
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Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair joins me on the show to talk about his political career and how he became the first black Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. We talk about what it was like to be a Tory Prime Minister in the post-Keir Starmer era, why he left office, and why he decided to run for re-election in 2022.
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Hi everybody, this is Gad Saad. I've had lords on the show, I've had knights on the show,
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but I can't say I've had a former Prime Minister of the UK on the show. The Right Honourable
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I'm doing well. So such a pleasure to meet you. I guess for those of you who don't know,
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Liz, and I asked her permission for us to address each other by first name, and she kindly and
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graciously said yes. So Liz was, I guess about three years ago, you served as Prime Minister,
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While I understand that at times it's probably not healthy to engage in a psychology of regret,
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is there anything in what transpired, which is you didn't serve very long as Prime Minister of the
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UK, that you regret, that could have been differently, that could have allowed you to
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Well, I think if I'd got along with the orthodoxy, I would still be Prime Minister, or at least I would
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have lasted until the election, when the British public kicked the Conservative Party out in 2024.
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But there's nothing that I tried to do that I think is wrong. And in fact, what is going on in Britain
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now, which is the country's going to hell in a handcart, I think makes the point about what I was
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Right. I mean, so I was going to ask you next, from where you were then to now, has there been an
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improvement or a deterioration? Clearly, your answer would be the latter, I suppose.
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Every single indicator has got worse. All the economic indicators, debt is worse,
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growth is lower, gilts are higher. But everything in the country is worse. And whether it's people
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being arrested for free speech violations, whether it's what's happening with the lack of inquiry on
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the rape gangs, I mean, I could go on, but the situation is pretty dire. And the current Labour
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Party who are in power, they're at 15% in the polls, which demonstrates that people are not happy
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Wow. So even less popular than the Democrats in the United States. Yes.
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Well, Keir Starmer is the most unpopular Prime Minister of Britain ever.
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Wow. And probably the most unpopular leader of Britain since King John, who was forced to sign
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the Magna Carta. You know, this is, we are in, we are in unprecedented territory. I mean,
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the Conservative Party aren't doing very well at all. The Reform Party is number one in the polls,
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followed by the Green Party, who have got a manned army style communist as head of their party. So
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it is, we are in very unprecedented times. And, you know, going back to 2022, I was trying to
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do something about that. I was trying to rest the car off the car before it drove off the cliff.
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That's what I was trying to do. And everyone said, Oh, it's too uncomfortable. You know,
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your handbrake turn is too uncomfortable. But it's even worse now. And, you know, if I look across,
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you know, across and what's going on in Canada and Australia, I think our countries are in
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competition with who can be the most woke, economically unsuccessful country in the world.
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And, you know, we're all doing pretty well. But I think Britain is probably winning the competition.
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Oh, is that right? I might beg to differ. I think, I mean, yes, you guys are insane.
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Canada is bad. Canada is bad. So, I mean, I don't know. What is Mark Carney's ratings in the
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Canadian opinion polls? What is the Liberal Party on at the moment?
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That's a good question. I don't know. I haven't seen the latest sort of opinion polls on him.
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Somewhere between the 15% you mentioned and maybe the low 30s, I would suspect somewhere around.
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Okay, that's a big difference. This has been under 20% for quite some time. You know, this is bad.
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So, I'm going to drill down to many of the topics that both you and I care about, you know, open border
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immigration, Islam, and all the rest of it, the grooming gangs in Britain. But before we speak
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about that, let's sort of turn it globally. And I suspect the same problems arise in Britain in
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particular. You wrote a book a few years ago, 10 Years to Save the West. Do we have the luxury of 10
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years? Or do you want to reduce that number to five years?
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Well, I was saying that it would take 10 years. And if we didn't act over the next 10 years,
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then I felt the West would be lost. Now, I wrote that book in 2024. Since then, President Trump
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has been elected. So, I think we've had one major positive in the last year or so. And
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we need to see that Trump revolution, first of all, succeed fully in the US. And I don't think
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it's baked in by any stretch of the imagination. I think you can see the enemies of populism,
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the enemies of nationalism striking out against Trump. The pro-globalist forces are still very,
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very powerful, even in America. But we need to see that revolution elsewhere in the world,
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in Canada, in Britain, across Europe. Otherwise, I do think the West will be lost to a combination
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Right. So, as you probably know, I wrote a book several years ago, The Parasitic Mind,
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which talks about what happens when your cognitive system is hijacked. And in my forthcoming book,
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which looks like it might be an even bigger deal than the previous book, Suicidal Empathy,
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I talk about what happens when your emotional system is hijacked. In my view, pretty much all
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of the problems that are threatening the West, whether it be through domestic policies or foreign
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policies, stem from this one-two-punch combination of parasitized minds and suicidal empathy. Would you
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agree that that would be the case? Or is there anything else you'd add to that two-pronged approach
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The point I would make is what we've seen, particularly over the last 50 years, is a capturing
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of institutions by the left. And, you know, what do they believe? Well, they believe in the opposite of
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Western values, you know, whether it's Christianity, free speech, scientific knowledge, truth, human
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biology, they're against all of those things, because they want to destroy it. And, you know,
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what you're talking about is how they do it. You know, how did they take over the institutions? How
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did they convince people that women could become men? You know, how did they convince people that,
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you know, the British Empire was a wholly bad thing and should be, you know, British and paper
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impressions or whatever, you know. But what has happened is there has been an ideological takeover.
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And there's been a lot of people who have gone along with it. And including in so-called conservative
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parties in countries like Britain, they've accepted that premise. And now that's killing us from within.
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Now, as to the kind of psychological manifestation of that, or why people, some people don't go along with
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it. And some people do. It's not really something that I am, I have considered, considered.
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When you speak to some of your colleagues, political colleagues, some of whom might be
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exhibiting many of the, you know, parasitized thinking and suicidal empathy that I just mentioned
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earlier, do they privately sort of wink at you and say, I get it, I understand we have a problem.
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But the ship is going in one direction. And as you mentioned earlier, also they do. So there is
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They do. They, well, they say things like, I don't want to be on the wrong side of history.
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Or, you know, they, they're uncomfortable with their friends, if they don't advocate these points
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of view. Or, some have openly admitted to me that it's because they want to get a job.
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You know, I've decided to back net zero because that means I can get these jobs at climate change
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conferences, whatever else. You know, so it can be a combination of the venal, the kind of wanting
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to fit in, I think is a big part of it. Feeling that it's just inevitable. I think that is a, so one
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of the things the left have managed to give in to people of, you know, it's inevitable that China will
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rise and become the most powerful country in the world. It's inevitable that, you know, the,
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the number of mosques in Britain is going to grow, and you've just got to deal with it. You know,
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they've sort of created an air of inevitability about the decline of Britain, the decline of Western
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So how do you explain, I mean, there's always usually a disconnect between sort of the,
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the parasitic thinking of the political class that typically can shelter themselves from the
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dreadful, you know, consequences of their stupidity. But then I would think that most of the
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common people walking around believe that this is all nonsense. So then how does...
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Of course they do. Like, everybody thinks it's nonsense. But we've now got to the stage in Britain
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that if you say it's nonsense, you know, you could lose your job, or you could be arrested.
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I mean, this is what, literally a comedian, Graham Lineman, was arrested at Hebrew Airport for
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tweeting something about transgender on, on, on X. You know, we've had nurses who refuse to go in the
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same changing room as a man who's claiming to be a woman. They've actually been taken to court by
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the health authority. So yes, you know, when, when real people in Britain rub up against this craziness,
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then a lot of them will think, well, it's not worth losing my job, or I can't, I can't afford to
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survive if I don't go along with this. But certainly, everybody knows it's nonsense. Pretty much everybody,
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I would say. Like, you know, on the transgender stuff, I'd say at least 80 or 90% think it's nonsense.
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Right. So the grooming gangs, as I mean, of course, you've known about it for decades.
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Most of the people, certainly on this side of the Atlantic, you know, didn't know much about it.
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And then for several reasons, one of which, of course, is Elon Musk's big platform to be able to advertise
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the issue. Now a greater number of people know about it. Within England, you would think that they are,
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you know, setting places on fire in their outrage that, you know, I don't know how many,
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what's the latest number? Is it 250,000 were groomed and raped?
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Nobody knows the exact number, because there hasn't actually been a proper inquiry into what's
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happened, even though the government have promised one, there hasn't been one. And just to spell it out,
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so I was a government minister for 10 years before becoming prime minister. And I only really
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found out about this by watching a BBC documentary called Free Girls. I think that was out in 2017.
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So it was not widely known or understood. There were some articles in the Times by a journalist,
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there was the BBC documentary, and then more of it was exposed. But I think the extent to which it
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was being covered up by the police, by local councils, by the Home Office was huge.
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And then what happened is when the documentary came out and people were horrified about what the
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way that these working class girls have been targeted systematically by these appalling, not just
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rape, you know, torture, even murder, had taken place, you know, really gruesome, gruesome findings.
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I think, so I was a government minister, a different government department at the time,
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I think I was in the Treasury. So I wasn't directly involved. I watched about it on TV,
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I thought it was horrific. Everybody, you know, was talking about it. And you kind of assume
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that the people were being prosecuted. So I assumed that, and, you know, there was lots of,
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we then saw groups of these Pakistani, you know, men who'd been committing these crimes,
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we saw them in court in Rochdale, in Leeds, you know, we saw they were being prosecuted. So I assumed
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that this had been dealt with. And then, you know, it was, I think, in 2020, um, 2023, 24,
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it was, came again, and I was horrified that, you know, that, that the people in charge had done,
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had not done anything about it, or at least hadn't succeeded in rooting it out. And
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you then start to question, and this is what I have really done since my time as prime minister,
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and what I saw, I saw it from the top, and also what I've learned about since, you then really start
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to question the system and say, have we actually got an accountable police force? You know, is the
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judiciary actually acting in the interest of the public? You know, what on earth is going on at the
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Home Office? And yeah, I know a lot of ministers who've been at the Home Office, who are, you know,
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people I would consider to be honourable people, you know, was the truth being hidden from them?
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And then, and then the media, and you know, this week, Donald Trump has been talking about suing the
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BBC, because they lied about coverage of him. What they have failed to do is they failed to report on
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the grooming gangs. So what has happened is, some people have been prosecuted, but clearly these
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gangs are still in operation. The media don't talk about it anymore, the mainstream media,
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and people have moved on. That, that is the sad truth about what, what has gone on.
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But it is, it is shocking, and it just, it leads me, and this is what I think now needs to happen,
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is that the British system is just broken. It's just broken.
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Do you think that we should be expecting the title Sir Tommy Robinson soon?
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I'm saying this, I'm saying this facetiously, but certainly he was the one who was calling it,
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right? Well, he's definitely one of the earliest people to raise this issue. And, you know,
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the problem has become in Britain that being accused of being racist is the worst possible
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crime that anybody can commit. Yeah. More than pedophilia.
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Actually, yeah, more than pedophilia, more than rape, more than torture. And the moral compass has just
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gone, gone out the window. And people who have raised this issue, including people like Maggie
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Oliver, who was in the police in the north of England, you know, she, she got cancelled, she got
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marginalised, you know, and this is what the system has done to anybody who raises, raises those issues.
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So, having served in the highest possible office, is there a way back for you to, if it interests you,
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to re-enter politics? Or, or it could only be at that level because you don't want to suffer the
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indignity of coming in at a lower level than you've already?
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I don't care about, I frankly don't care about my dignity. I'm not interested in that at all.
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I don't care. But what I do care about is, I am only, I would only be willing to be in government
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again, if I am actually able to do things and be held accountable for what I do, and be able to
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hire and fire the people that work for me. Because, you know, the reason I was Prime Minister for such a
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short time is, I was sabotaged by the Bank of England, by the Treasury, who didn't like my
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policies. And we've now got to a stage in Britain where the, the system or the, the officials,
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whatever you want to call them, the blob, the deep state, are calling the shots. So,
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I think that needs to be exposed. And I do think this is happening. I talked about the terrible state
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of the government in the opinion polls earlier. But I think people in Britain are waking up
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to just how, how broken it is. So the answer is, of course, I'm prepared to do anything
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to make my country better again. But, you know, what, would I go in as it is now? No, because
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I know from being there, that you go along with the orthodoxy, or you get kicked out. And,
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you know, no, thank you. So you mentioned earlier, Donald Trump, who, of course, is sort of a
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cataclysmic agent of change. If we were to draw a parallel in Britain, I guess the first name that
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would come up would be Nigel Farage. Do you feel that he has the capacity to be as cataclysmic of a
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agent of change, or he fails on that sort of metric? Well, no one is quite like Donald Trump,
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I think it's fair to say. And, you know, I sometimes say that he will finish being US
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president in January 2029. And that's just enough time to stand in the next British election, which
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would be, which would be beautiful. And he has a, he has a Scottish mother. So he's very,
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he's very well qualified. And I think one of the key points about Trump is that he had been president
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before. And he learned from it. And he know, he knew what happened, which is the leakings,
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the briefings, the people you can't trust, the bureaucrats. And he came in, in 2025, this year,
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with a plan that was ready formulated, he flooded the zone, he had lots of these executive orders,
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he had the people that he could trust to actually deliver. And that is the challenge,
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I think, for Nigel Farage, if he does become prime minister, which is he hasn't had the 2016 experience.
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And Britain can ill afford a Trump one period. I've told I've talked about the state the country is
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already in, whether it's economics, demographics, crime, law and order. It's in a it's in a very,
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a very poor state. If I were to state what I consider to be that by far the greatest threat
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to the West, it would be the entry of immigrants who don't share any of the theological principles
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that the West is founded on. And of course, I'm specifically referring to those who come from
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Islamic backgrounds. And yes, I hate to have to preface that not all Muslims are mean and bad,
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and many are lovely. Now, of course, in Britain, I think you're probably now around four or five
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percent Islamic, although many is that does that sound like the right number?
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It might be the right number. It might not. I think it's around there. Somebody will correct.
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I don't think our official statistics. I mean, our national statistics office has gone woke as well.
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So we don't know. Our statistics are bad. So let's let's different estimates.
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There are different estimates. Okay, so whatever the numbers, whatever, okay, whatever the numbers
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are, one immediate policy that one could implement, whomever the person would be who is running the
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country would be to say, okay, well, we're going to greatly reduce immigration from countries that
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don't share a sense of cultural homophily similarity in terms of our foundational values.
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But that still leaves the fact that there are many, many millions of people that are already
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in the West that you would have to engage in a form of repatriation, send them off. Do you think
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that there could ever be a Western leader that has that level of testicular fortitude? Or the best that
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we can do is to put a pause on the current immigration patterns?
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Well, definitely, it's absolutely possible to put a pause and a stop. And I would say it's not just
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people from countries that we don't share their values. I think there's just there's a numbers
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problem. We've got an Islamism problem in Britain, and we have a numbers problem as well. And we have
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huge unemployment amongst the British workforce. So there's an overall problem with immigration. And
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a lot of the problem with immigration goes back to the human rights laws that Tony Blair introduced,
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which essentially gave illegal migrants the same human rights as Brits. I think there are other
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things that can be done though, such as stopping cousin marriage in our country, stopping Sharia law
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being operated, you know, dealing with the grooming gangs, stopping people bringing in relatives,
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which is chain immigration. So what's happened is, you know, in some parts of England, essentially,
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a village in Pakistan has been recreated. And that is perpetuated by bringing in new people. And that
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that can also be stopped. And we also have a huge problem with foreign criminals. Again,
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those people ought to be deported. So I think there is a lot that can be done to deal with this problem.
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I went to London this past summer, I spent a couple of days in London, and then at the University of
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Buckingham, which is about two hours away. And I had been invited to the House of Lords by one of the
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Lords. And as I don't know if you saw this clip. I'm afraid the House of Lords is, it's full of
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former civil servants and former judges. Yeah, fair enough.
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Represents some of the most part of the deep state in Britain. Yeah, right. Fair enough. But that's
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not the point of my story. So as I was trying to go to the entrance of the House of Lords,
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there was a massive protest, free, free Palestine, global intifada. And so I had to get police escort.
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My wife was accompanying me. I had to get police escort to be able to sort of break through
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sort of the barricade of protesters in order to enter the House of Lords. And to me,
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that was a perfect encapsulation of where we are in the West, where a guest of someone from the House
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of Lords, who's going to go talk about issues like freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry,
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and all the things that you would expect Britain to support needs police protection just to break
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through the barrier. Yeah. And frankly, many Jewish people in Britain have been advised not to go into
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particular places or to be careful about wearing, you know, wearing the clothes they want to wear
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because of these protests and marches. And it's, it's completely wrong. And it goes right to the top
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of the police, you know, they have been captured. Yeah. And, you know, back to the point I was making
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about the way the government works. The problem is that even if you had a prime minister who wanted
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to take action, wanted to stop this intimidation, actually doing it is very difficult because currently
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Are you able to, I mean, of course, as a former prime minister, you're always going to have some
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sort of security detail, but do you feel sufficiently confident to just kind of live a normal life,
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to go to a restaurant, to go to the movie theater?
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Wow. As I was doing my homework sort of about on your background, something that interested me was
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the fact that your dad was a, or maybe still is, I don't know if he's still alive, a professor of
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pure mathematics. Now, I have a background in mathematics. Maybe you could tell us something
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about that. Completely different from politics. You are more than just a political person. Can you
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tell us a bit about his academic background? Well, he's a, yeah, he's a pure mathematician,
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a logician, but he's retired now. Did you at all follow in his footsteps in terms of your
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appreciation of math or not really? I did. I did maths at A-level, but then I went to do philosophy,
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politics and economics. I did a bit of formal logic. Oh, very nice. Yes. So what's next for Liz Truss?
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What, what, what can we expect of you? Is there another book that is in the works? Is there-
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No, I think I've done my, I've done my booking. I'm not like you, Gad. I can't sort of
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get another book. I wanted to, what I wanted to do after my time in Downing Street is really
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explain what had happened and the build up to it and what is wrong with our government. Because
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I really believe that the, the sort of the Western disease has now exists in America and Canada and
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Britain across Europe. A lot of it has become, is because of the state and the role of the state,
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which I think has diminished the role of the family. I think the state inevitably, I'm a great
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believer in O'Sullivan's law. Any organisation that isn't explicitly right-wing becomes left-wing
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over time. I think it's been captured. And I think if we are to save the West, which is the title of the
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book, then we have to deal with it. And what I want to do now is I want to work to help deliver a
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Trump-style revolution in Europe. I don't believe it's inevitable. I mean,
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lots of my friends around the world will say things like, Britain is gone. It's done. It's
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finished. You know, people are leaving, by the way, more millionaires are leaving Britain than any other
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country in the world, apart from China per capita. But I think this country needs to be saved. I think it
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needs to be saved. And I'm so proud of what we brought to the world, whether it was Magna Carta,
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the Bill of Rights, free speech, the fact that we are now arresting comedians at airports tell you
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it's gone very, very seriously wrong. But I think you mentioned this earlier. I think
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the British people are not like that. I think they do sort of have the traditional values of Britain,
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whether it's Christian values, patriotic values, a belief in freedom. And, you know, we have to win
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this fight. We have to win this fight. Because if Europe goes down, let's say Europe becomes Islamist,
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then that's a threat to Canada, America, the world. Indeed. Well, as a final question,
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if I were to ask you on a scale of zero to 100, zero, you're the most maximally pessimistic
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about our chances to autocorrect. A hundred is you're absolutely certain. Give me a number,
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Prime Minister. Well, I'm just a terrible optimist. So I'd sort of go, was it a one to 10 scale? No,
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zero to 100. Zero to 100. I'd be about like 90. Oh boy, I thought I was optimistic and I would put it
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at about 55, but okay. No, but I just think, I think people are waking up. I think
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the Trump, I can't tell you what a big change Trump made in Britain. And the feeling of those of us who
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understand that we're in serious trouble, finally, that America was waking up, that was such a big
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moment. And I feel there's an energy here amongst the people that want to see change. And the people
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who are the lovers of the status quo, who want Britain to decline, who accept the kind of Islamist,
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the Islamist takeover of various parts of our country. I think those people are on,
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they're losing the argument, even though they're big and they're powerful and they're well funded.
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Well, from your lips to God's ear, as we say, regarding your optimism, please stay on the line
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so we could say goodbye offline. I will be, by the way, hopefully coming to London to the ARC
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conference in June, the organization that Jordan Peterson set up. If you'll be around,
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it'll be nice to get a coffee with you. Thank you so much.