The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Gad Saad vs the Woke People on Piers Morgan (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_904)

00:00:00.000 To another issue now, Professor Gad Saad, the evolutionary behaviour scientist, who is not woke,

00:00:04.920 but was one of the first to take issue with the name of my new book.

00:00:07.860 Gad, welcome back to Uncensored.

00:00:09.460 What is wrong with woke is dead?

00:00:13.180 Well, thanks for having me back.

00:00:14.700 I haven't read it yet, but just from the title, it's a bit presumptuous to celebrate

00:00:20.360 that all of the parasitic ideas that constitute wokeism are now eviscerated.

00:00:27.220 Well, I don't say, to be clear, I don't say this. This is more an aspirational title.

00:00:31.580 I make it clear that woke is still there. It's dying out.

00:00:35.260 And the reason I say that is you're seeing screeching reversals now around the world

00:00:40.380 in things like corporate DEI policies, in the trans issue of trans athletes and women's sport.

00:00:46.640 You know, time and again, we're seeing the reaction to things like the Graham Linehan arrest

00:00:50.100 immediately reversed by, I think, huge public opinion against it.

00:00:53.660 What you're seeing is a response now from, I believe, the majority of people who have

00:00:59.640 a common sense valve saying, we're just not having this anymore. Sorry.

00:01:03.880 So that's what I mean by, I believe the ideology is dying out, but we have to make sure it is killed

00:01:10.420 off because I do believe, genuinely, it's been very damaging.

00:01:14.720 I mean, it's undoubtedly true that there has been a bit of an autocorrection.

00:01:18.980 I mean, just having Donald Trump win the presidency resulted in immediate executive orders

00:01:25.240 that reversed many of the nonsense.

00:01:27.320 But to draw an analogy from biology, there is something called viral latency in biology,

00:01:33.480 right, where a virus can lay dormant in you for years, if not decades, before it gets activated.

00:01:40.800 Take, for example, the shingles virus, which would be relevant to people that are roughly

00:01:44.900 our respective ages. It could be in you from childhood, and then it only hits you when you're

00:01:50.140 in your 50s and 60s. So these parasitic ideas that constitute wokeism took between 50 to 100 years

00:01:58.780 to first be spawned and then proliferate from the university ecosystem. So it'll take much longer

00:02:05.460 than what you're talking about, the reversal of the DEI stuff or Donald Trump. It's going to require

00:02:11.140 many, many years of eviscerating these dreadful ideas. But yes, I am hopeful just like you are.

00:02:19.220 That's actually an insane thing to say, though, because wokeism, or whatever you want to call it,

00:02:23.500 has existed since literally when Jesus was here. Jesus was woke. I mean, that's the whole point.

00:02:28.740 Love thy neighbour, have empathy for people. And he was literally killed for speaking truth

00:02:32.960 to power. So what you're talking about is not something that's only existed for the last

00:02:36.700 just to be clear. You're implying that people who reject the wokeism are somehow against kindness

00:02:43.300 or empathy or those things. I'm not. I want people to be kind and empathetic. It's the scolding,

00:02:48.740 the vilifying, the shaming, the cancelling, the destruction. That seems to be coming from the

00:02:53.080 right towards the left, especially in the case of your book. Well, no, it doesn't, actually. If you

00:02:57.460 read the book... Well, I've read some of the book. We haven't read it all. I haven't read some of the book.

00:03:00.640 As always, you come as a limiting amount of information on which you base your statements.

00:03:06.100 Am I wrong by saying that you say that the left have basically... The Me Too movement have

00:03:10.500 basically caused men to feel like they can't flirt with women? Isn't that what you're saying?

00:03:14.240 I said, if you read the book, I say that there are a lot of bad men who've done bad things,

00:03:18.540 but actually the over-demonisation of things like masculinity...

00:03:22.440 So you're blaming the left. I've just phrased it very deliberately.

00:03:26.320 There are bad men and there are bad women, right? But there's nothing wrong with femininity 1.00

00:03:30.420 or masculinity. These are things that should be treasured and prized in a civilised free

00:03:36.100 democratic society. Coming back to Gad, I want to play a clip. This is of Lily Gaddis,

00:03:40.880 who came on to try and defend, to me, the indefensible. Let's take a look.

00:03:45.780 Would you use the N-word out of interest? Yes. You would?

00:03:50.840 I do, quite frequently. You use the N-word quite frequently. Well, why?

00:03:54.940 Other than the fact you're a despicable racist. Are you? 1.00

00:03:57.400 I... Some would say I am. I guess, according to the ADL, I'm a white supremacist. I'm a neo-Nazi.

00:04:05.200 Yeah, well, if you use the N-word repeatedly, you are a racist, are you? 0.98

00:04:09.480 Sure, I'll embrace that. If that means forwarding, you know, helping white people achieve freedom 0.91

00:04:15.100 of speech, real freedom of speech, which, by the way, includes... I mean, Shiloh Hendricks is being

00:04:19.260 attacked on all fronts. They're trying to bring legal charges against her. They're trying to get her 0.97

00:04:22.860 children taken away. So you were saying, Carmelo Anthony, it doesn't matter.

00:04:28.040 I mean, a pretty staggering thing to say on a show like this. I want to really quote Gad

00:04:33.020 from the book about this issue. I said, we're now seeing the first early murmurings of a new brand

00:04:37.700 of silliness from right-wing people who have spent years railing against all things woke.

00:04:42.700 They have very different opinions about the world, but use the woke tactical playbook to win

00:04:47.040 arguments and get what they want. You don't have to travel far on social media before you encounter

00:04:51.540 a furious, straight, white Christian man who's convinced the whole world is against him.

00:04:55.720 And I do believe that is becoming an increasing issue. In the same way that I found a lot of the

00:05:01.760 woke activists incredibly hypocritical, I also think it's very hypocritical of people on the right 0.95

00:05:06.900 to start behaving like the very people they've been criticizing for years for being hypocritical 0.99

00:05:11.960 wokies. 0.99

00:05:13.100 Right. So let me tie what you just asked with what the gentleman before mentioned about Jesus.

00:05:18.120 The idea that human minds can be parasitized has existed since time immemorial. So in that sense,

00:05:24.320 he's right. But wokeism involves a specific set of bad ideas. Two, 300 years ago, we used to think

00:05:32.160 that it was a good idea to throw a woman into a body of water. And if she swam, that meant that she 1.00

00:05:38.480 was a witch. So the capacity for human minds to be parasitized has always existed. The term

00:05:44.620 wokeism relates to specific parasitic ideas that are contemporary. Regarding your other point,

00:05:51.140 both people on the right and on the left could have parasitized minds. So for example,

00:05:56.720 when it comes to accepting evolution, it's people on the right that are against it. But when it comes

00:06:03.540 to applying evolution to the study of the human mind, it's people on the left that are against it.

00:06:08.820 So it's not a political orientation issue, although all of the parasitic ideas that constitute

00:06:16.240 wokeism do stem from the left, because all of those ideas come from the university ecosystem.

00:06:22.520 And it is largely professors on the left that inhabit the university ecosystem.

00:06:28.700 Do you believe it's dying, wokeism, as a concept, as an ideology?

00:06:32.540 Uh, not fully. So that's why I wouldn't throw the celebration parades yet. For example, in Canada,

00:06:39.540 we don't have an agent of change like Donald Trump. And so I recently had to appear in front of a

00:06:46.160 House of, you know, House of Commons committee, where I was trying to argue that it is wrong

00:06:52.880 to use DEI when judging scientific excellence. But for many of the people that serve in the Canadian

00:06:59.840 Parliament, that was, you know, blasphemous for me to say that, right? And so, yes, there is some

00:07:07.000 auto-correction taking place, but I wouldn't throw the party yet.

00:07:10.560 Donald Trump is an agent of change. What change?

00:07:13.900 Well, Donald Trump is clearly an agent of change. You may not like the change.

00:07:16.820 No, no, no. I'd like to know what the change is.

00:07:19.100 Can I offer one?

00:07:19.840 Yeah, offer again. 0.99

00:07:20.520 Not having 6'4 women with 9-inch penises that used to be called Bubba yesterday, but today 1.00

00:07:29.060 are called Linda, sharing the bathroom with my 13-year-old daughter would constitute a return 0.99

00:07:35.980 Now, can you answer the question in a non-silly way? Because I don't know anybody 6'9. Can you answer

00:07:45.040 the question in terms of what you mean? 0.99

00:07:46.800 Yeah, I've never seen a penis that long. 1.00

00:07:47.660 Yeah, and a penis that long. So can you answer it in terms of real-world things? What do you mean? 0.99

00:07:53.900 Having reversed the policy of having trans women, i.e. biological men, competing in women's sport,

00:08:04.260 until 15 minutes ago, the 117 billion people that had existed on Earth throughout human history

00:08:12.380 seemed to be able to navigate through the very difficult conundrum of what constitutes male

00:08:17.460 and female. But 15 minutes ago, we were no longer able to do that. 0.52

00:08:21.680 Well, actually, you're wrong, because there have been cultures in which they have made

00:08:27.120 definitions of what male and female are. And they're not majority cultures. They're not the 0.55

00:08:32.960 ones that we live in. But through human history, this has always been an issue. Always.

00:08:37.300 In those cultures that you're referring to, which I'm very familiar with the field of cultural

00:08:41.900 anthropology, when people decided to mate in those cultures, did they typically mate

00:08:47.960 by having two phenotypes called male and female get together?

00:08:52.380 Yeah, yes, yes. You're right. But I'm saying you're absolutely right.

00:08:55.500 So they knew what male and female was. 0.88

00:08:56.540 But you're absolutely right. But you do know as well that there were cultures in which those

00:09:02.440 two things flowed back and forth. When you're talking about procreation, of course, that's

00:09:06.560 true. But there are also definitions of male and female that went back and forth.

00:09:10.920 We're straying into actually a different area, which I want to discuss with another guest.

00:09:15.040 Gad, thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it very much. Good to have you back.

00:09:19.100 Thank you.

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - October 25, 2025

Gad Saad vs the Woke People on Piers Morgan (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_904)

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