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The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad
- May 03, 2024
Growing up in Lebanon, October 7th, & the future of the West (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_667)
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thank you so much for joining us Dr. Gadsad a man who needs no introduction obviously everybody
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already knows you I'm the popular one today for bringing you on to my podcast everybody's like
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oh my god I'm so happy for you they don't realize that we're old chums that we're old friends
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I we are old friends and it was so good to finally meet you in person how long has it been now maybe
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two years ago you came to Montreal yes that's right it has been gosh it's been that long already
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but that was so great for you to make some time to come meet with me and to have that
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lovely cappuccino together that's right I was there yesterday you you were missed I was at exactly the
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same cafe that you and I went to just like yesterday afternoon that's a great cafe um so yeah
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and even before that I came on to the sad truth you're one of the very first people to invite me
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on actually onto their platform and to give me a voice so I'm always going to be forever grateful
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for that my pleasure um yeah and we you know we have an understanding you and I because you grew up
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in Lebanon of course till you're about 10 years old or so which I'm going to ask you about that in a bit
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more detail um and then of course with my family being from Egypt and you know well I lived in Egypt
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for a few years and my dad being Palestinian we you know it's all a sham right like it's all we're we're
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very familiar with that part of the world um and we have that connection and then of course we're both
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Canadian as well so both our backgrounds and our current grounds are are very similar but tell us
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about growing up in Lebanon what was that like I've heard a few stories before and I'd love for you to
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share some with us here today sure well first thank you so much for having me on it's a real pleasure to
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be with you and to everybody else out there thanks for joining us um I was born in Lebanon we were part
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of the last remaining very small community of Jews not Druze Jews J-E-W-S uh who who were in my in Lebanon
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uh some of my ancestors my immediate ancestors come also from Syria they're Syrian Jews but my parents
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and my family my siblings were all Lebanese and probably at the time that the civil war broke out
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in 1975 when as you said I was 10 there were well less than a thousand Jews that had remained most of
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my extended family had already sort of read the the writing on the proverbial wall and left Lebanon
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earlier prior to the civil war but we had remained we were really well entrenched within Lebanese society
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and then the the civil war broke out in uh 1975 and as many of you may or may not know uh you know
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all butchery in wars is in a sense measured against the backdrop of the Lebanese civil war because it
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it was a civil war involving many factors but certainly a religious element uh it became very very difficult
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to be Jewish in Lebanon I mean death awaited you in every corner of you know every minute of the day
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miraculously we were able to escape we actually escaped through uh having PLO militiamen pick us up
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at the at our house and then drive us to the uh Beirut International Airport and the reason why we had to get
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PLO militia at the time is because the area surrounding the Beirut International Airport
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was uh controlled by PLO militia so there was no way that you were going to get through the
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the roadblocks the barricades if they weren't sympathetic to your cause so
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I always like to remind people that you know we escaped Muslims who wanted to kill us but we were also
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saved by other Muslims who saved us so this is why I never you know talk about individual Muslims
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I sure need to have to say this but it's important to remind people there are nice and evil people of
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of all faiths and no faiths so then we left Montreal we left Beirut in 1975 I had turned already 11
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a couple of weeks prior to us leaving we moved to Montreal but then my parents kept returning
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to Lebanon ill-advisedly so because they still had some business interests they would leave Montreal
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go back straight into the Beirut civil war and on one of those return trips uh in 1980 they were
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kidnapped by Fatah which is another Palestinian group and some really bad things were uh you know done to
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them but luckily we were I say we but I had nothing to do with it at that point I was like 15 years
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15 years old but my family and through their through our parents's connections we were able to
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get them out uh and so since 1980 uh no one in my family has returned even though you know as as I
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became a you know a you know a public figure uh I would get invited many times back to Lebanon even
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you know in at the level of prime ministers and so on but I've never felt safe to go back even though
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I was guaranteed oh there'd be security and so on you know a a car bomb doesn't care if there's
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security around you so I wish I could go back because I probably the main thing that I regret
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most so far as a parent is that our children don't speak Arabic so Arabic is my mother tongue they
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don't speak Hebrew uh and so despite all this incredible richness that we have in the family
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my wife also speaks Armenian they only speak French and English and I I've always dreamt of being able
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to you know going back to American University of Beirut and doing a one or two year visiting
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professorship immersing my children in Arabic and suddenly they become you know flawless Arabic
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speakers so all this to say uh it's a tragic part of my past I wish I could return but such is the
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reality of life my gosh well Lebanon is still quite a mess so it's you know it's not like there's been
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an opportunity for you to to take your kids there and have that you know American University of Beirut
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dream come true um but I want to ask you specifically like just drill down a little bit more about what you
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were saying about the difficulties of being a Jewish family in in Lebanon can you talk to us a little
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bit more about that oh sure thanks for asking so it's important for people to contextualize what it
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means to be Jewish in the Middle East and more specifically in the context of progressive modern
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Lebanon and I say that with with that inflection in my voice because it's progressive and tolerant
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against the backdrop of the Middle East right so you're tolerated as long as you don't wear your star
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of David too too largely you're tolerated as long as you don't make too much noise and of course we
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reserve the right to not tolerate you whenever we decide you're no longer tolerable and so growing up in
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Lebanon I and I talk about some of these stories although of course I've got many more that I
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didn't mention in the book in the parasitic mind and in chapter one of the book I talk about some of
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the uh realities that I faced as a child growing up in Lebanon so I'll share a few with you here and
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the first one I'm going to share might resonate with you if only because you have a Egyptian background
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so Gamal Abdel Nasser was a pan-Arabist trying to unify all of the Arab states and uh he was the
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Egyptian president and he was loved you know he was a charismatic guy he you know he wasn't certainly
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very religiously motivated but he was unifying all of the Arab nations so there was this great love and
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fervor for him when he passed away in 1970 at the time I was five not quite six years old I remember
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there was a you know oftentimes in the Middle East you have these street protests where there is this
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incredible fervor actually the word Hamas means zeal fervor right so there's a lot of energy and so
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people are you know lamenting and kind of hitting themselves because he passed away but this is in
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Beirut Lebanon this is not in Egypt and as people were proceeding down my street I kept hearing you know
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death to Jews death to Jews and so I was in the balcony and I was confused and I kind of turned to
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my mother and she says you know just keep your head down uh because I said well why are they screaming
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death to Jews what you know what do we have to do with this but that's the reflex right I mean some
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calamity happens in the Middle East first instinctual reflex is you know death to Jews it's probably maybe
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the Jews who killed him who put something in his in his water second uh I'll mention two more stories
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and if you want more I'll share more uh second story is uh I was about maybe nine years old so this is
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probably about a year before the civil war started and we were in class and uh the teacher asked the class
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to you know for each person to stand up and tell us what they wish to be when they grow up so one
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person gets up I want to be a soccer player I want to be a doctor I want to be a policeman I want to be a
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soldier and one kid gets up and says when I grow up I want to be a Jew killer to rapturous laugh and
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you know screaming and clapping and so on now this that kid knew that I was Jewish but it was totally
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normal to say things like that third story uh my brother uh one of my brothers I have two two
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brothers and a sister all of whom are much older than me uh my brother who's 10 years older than me
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was a champion of in judo Lebanese champion national champion for several years in a row and so as you
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might imagine it it didn't look good for a Jew to constantly win in these competitive
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things it's making the rest of us non-Jewish people look bad and so he was visited by some men
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who explained to him that it was time for him to retire because otherwise you know maybe an
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unfortunate accident can happen to him and so then he didn't he didn't want to quit his career so he then
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left to France to pursue his judo career this is before the civil war uh now the incredible story
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the conclusion to that story is that in 1976 the Montreal Olympics happened it just so happened that
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they were in Montreal and so the guy who left to Paris I think he left in 73 who left Lebanon because
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it wasn't good for Jews to consistently win this combat sport is then asked to represent Lebanon
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in the Montreal Olympics which he did so the the guy who was no longer allowed to be a judo champion
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in Lebanon we could now forgive the fact that you are you know you suffer from the terminal
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disease of being Jewish when it comes to having you hold the Lebanese flag and that that happened in 1976
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so that gives you a bit of a flavor of what it was to grow up in tolerant progressive Paris of the
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Middle East Lebanon you always had to know your place now in terms of the actual war some of the
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dangers that you faced everybody faced right I mean if you go out there are snipers everywhere they're
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going to blow your brain whether you're Christian Muslim or I mean depending on the area you're in
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the the bombs and the indiscriminate killing can happen to anyone but there were specific dangers
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that were unique to being Jewish because in what happens in Lebanon is you you carry an internal ID
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which in Arabic is called Hawi it's like a passport but it's an internal so if the cop stops you and says
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show me your papers you show them this paper well the the ID card in Lebanon the most conspicuous part
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of the ID card is your religion and the Jews weren't even called even though we're Lebanese right we're
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we're Arabic right it wasn't even written in Arabic Yahudi which means you know Jewish it was written
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Israeli which means Israelite so so then there's even more animus because you're you're not really
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Lebanese you're Israelite right even though we had nothing to do with Israel and so why is that
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important because one of the ways that people got killed in in the thousands early in the civil war
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is that if you were driving anywhere and there was a random roadblock that was set up by some
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militia group and there were many militia groups right different Islamic groups there were some
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Christian groups and so on well if they asked for those papers and you had Israeli there weren't many
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roadblocks that you were going to get out of without a bullet to your head so we really couldn't I mean
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it was very dangerous to just go and pick up bread because you don't want somebody to ask for your ID
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papers and so hopefully that gives you a bit of the the timber of my existence in Lebanon wow yeah that's a
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lot that's a lot I mean I I I'd heard your story before about you being a child in school and and that boy
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saying I want to kill Jews and you know your father yourself and I'm a mother and just knowing like just
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to have a kid have to hear this amongst their classmates or to hear as a child
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what was it curse the Jews kill the Jews you know how did your mother respond to you when you said
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mom what's going on you know because that's a really difficult yeah it you know it you really
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you knew that you were different you knew that you there was a secret about you now it it wasn't so
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secretive in that no one in Lebanon knew we were Jewish of course people knew all they had to do was
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go to the synagogue on Saturday morning and then they would know you're Jewish so it's but you had to
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know your place right which by the way this might interest some people that's exactly the the psychology of
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someone who's a dimmi right a dimmi is someone who lives in Islamic lands who is part of the people
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of the book typically Christians or Jews who might be protected and tolerated but know your place now
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depending on the historical context your dimmi status could be really brutal or it could be that
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just know your place you know when when you've won too many consecutive Lebanese judo championships well
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it's enough already okay so so my what my mother always taught me is that you know be just be
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careful don't you know know that we're Jewish don't be too Jewish but now I'm glad you asked me that
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question because there's another story that I would have forgotten to mention to our audience today which
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I do discuss in the parasitic mine the day that we left Lebanon and actually took the flight out so we
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we went from Beirut we actually landed in Copenhagen for a night night stop so we slept in Copenhagen and
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then we made our way from Copenhagen to Montreal when we first moved to Montreal well as we cleared the
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airspace of Lebanon the captain the pilot said that we had just cleared the Lebanese airspace and so my
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mother takes out a a pendulant with a star of David David right and she puts it around my neck and she
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says now you could wear it proudly and not hide your identity so that already is I think a rather uh you
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know a powerful story but let me close the circle on the on the star of David a few months ago in I think
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it was a few weeks after the October 7th uh situation my wife and son so my son had just played a soccer
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match in the east end of the city and they were coming back and she had texted me saying hey do you want
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me to pick you up I was I was working on my laptop at a cafe at another cafe not too far from the one
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that you and I went to and so as they picked me up and we entered the car my son said hey daddy if you
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would have come uh to watch me play soccer where I was playing today and you were wearing a star of David
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you'd be dead this was in Montreal Canada in 2023 so in 1975 I leave Lebanon and a star of David is put
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around me 45 plus years later I better take off that star of David in Montreal Canada that doesn't bode too
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well no it absolutely does not and that actually is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you
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today because you're somebody obviously from everything that you've just told us now you're
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somebody with first-hand knowledge of this you know you've written books you know talking the parasitic
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mind being one of them you have the the sad truth where you're speaking about these issues not just these
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issues but so many other issues of where people's minds are just you know possessed with with different
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absurdities um and now after October 7th you're seeing that things have escalated so dangerously
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in Canada obviously you know the U.S. and the West in general but Canada specifically Montreal where you
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live is probably one of the the worst cities in our country for how things just it's like a
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it's like the Kindle was all sitting there and then on October 7th it just lit you know and
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everything was just ready to go and for a lot of people I'm sure they they probably got whiplash they
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probably just were just shocked um but you're somebody who has been talking about this for years you've
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been talking about the dangers of capitulating to extremism and I this is probably a really difficult
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question to ask you but how frustrating does it feel right now because I'm sure you don't feel like
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vindicated like I'm sure it must what how are you feeling how are you feeling now seeing that your
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your voice has been falling on deaf ears all these years and now things have come to this grotesque fruition
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that maybe is even beyond what you what you would have imagined yeah thank you for that question uh
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uh it's I think I don't know if you mentioned in your question the word frustration but that's
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exactly what it is it's a form of you know deep existential frustration because the reality is as
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you said exactly to your point it's not as though I'm sitting and going gleefully hey look I was right
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please pat me on my back I'm right it's I'm like god damn it I wish people would have listened because
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I mean the the best way to describe it is you know god forbid is uh the cancer analogy right I mean
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you you can capture cancer very early and you've got a 96 percent uh cure rate you can catch it a bit
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later that percentage goes down or you can ignore all the signals and it's good luck to you in the
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afterlife you're gone that's exactly what's happening to the west and I I put out a tweet not the one I know
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that there's a tweet that you recently sent me privately that that had touched you a lot but
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there's an earlier tweet about a couple of weeks after october 7th where I I shared really kind of a
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a somber outlook of how I thought the west would end up being and I mean it's something that I've
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mentioned in the past but it was really a very powerful tweet that I think got I don't know how
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many 15 20 million views and a lot of people were kind of awakened by that tweet because they always
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associate me even when I'm dealing with very difficult subjects with being someone super
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optimistic I'm a fighter I'm a I'm the happy warrior and yet here I seem right and I seem like
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I think it's all over pack it up and the reason again to to draw on the cancer analogy imagine if your
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physician tells you you have cancer and you say well as a matter of fact there is no such thing as cancer
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you're you're wrong you're spreading conspiracies but if there is cancer it's the Jews who are causing
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cancer and it's the Jews who are holding the uh the cure to cancer and therefore the way I'm going to
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react to you telling me I have cancer is I'm going to inhale asbestos smoke six packs of cigarettes a day
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and you know inject other carcinogens into my veins because I don't believe that there is cancer but if
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there is cancer it's the Jews that's exactly what the west is doing if at least you would think that
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there is a sense of epistemic humility in the west whereby they're saying oh I think we now recognize
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that there is a problem it may be too late to fix it but at least we you know the old proverbial
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first step is recognize that you have a problem then maybe we have a fighting chance if what your response
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is let's double down on everything we're doing and hopefully the problem that surely doesn't exist
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will go away well then how can how can we fight so yes I definitely feel a a sense of dejection I'm
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not going to say defeat because then there's no there'd be no point in us having this conversation
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there'd be no point in us waking up there'd be no point in me writing the books so I still think that
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we do have a fighting chance but the the likelihood of this being resolved without unbelievable violence
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down the line is reducing by the day and it's not hyperbole you know it's as clear as dropping a ball
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and having gravity react to the ball we if I drop a ball a hundred times the same things will happen
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the ball will fall to the ground because there's this thing called gravity people will wake up and
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people will decide that they've had enough and when they do that it won't be through talking and dialogue
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it will be through violence and what a shame because the west had this anomaly in in in throughout our
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history which is for a bleep in human history the west had had created something that nowhere else
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had you found freedom of speech freedom of conscience individual dignity all of the things that made the west
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great we decided that we're going to give them away because of these parasitic ideas of empathy and so
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on it's tragic it's horrible now I haven't read your latest book yet the sad truth about happiness but I
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remember when we were chatting about it a couple years ago um it was it was going to be an optimistic you
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are generally a very optimistic person as you know even when things are as dark as they are you're tweeting
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jokes you're making it's sarcastic it's biting it's very you know they're sharp criticisms but they're
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always you know wrapped in this sort of tongue-in-cheek um you know sarcastic manner so it kind of lessens
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the blow of whatever's going on um it is really I do remember those days when it was very clear that you
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were feeling just despondent and there's no surprise I mean I wasn't it's no surprise at all like I
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mentioned you're in one of the worst places in Canada you're watching history repeat itself I had
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friends from New York from all over Europe from all over Canada from all over the world writing to me
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telling me the exact same thing you know it was I remember even around Hanukkah some friends were saying
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like maybe we're just not going to put out any celebration you know anything this year like
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we're not we're going to make sure that we're not so visibly Jewish very similar to the way you had to
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be in Lebanon um and it is incredibly heartbreaking to see this happen in really such a short amount of
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time you know I was just in Israel and I was visiting Holocaust memorial you know Yad Vashem in Jerusalem
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and I'm planning on going to the March of the Living um visiting Auschwitz and it's just so similar when you
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watch the slow you know the just it starts off with just conspiracy theories and you know just little
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bits of stories and then you know it just escalates bit by bit by bit by bit and then even this
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demonizing or this dehumanization that's in a joking manner like when you talked about your
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that I'm not gonna call him your friend but that student in your class um and then everybody laughed
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about it like it was a joke like you know all that all that kind of stuff is just so incredibly
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dangerous and we ignored it for years and years and years and we didn't think that it was going to
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amount to anything and then here we are watching history repeat itself I am not surprised that people
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were feeling despondent and depressed and especially Jewish people were actually feeling quite afraid
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too when you have people screaming gas the Jews you know people screaming burn Tel Aviv to the ground
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asking Hamas to make us proud you know all sorts of horrible things that have you can criticize Israel
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from today till the cows come home say whatever you want about Netanyahu but these people are clearly
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clearly anti-semitic following the exact same tropes the exact same pathway as the Nazis and Hamas and all the rest
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and we're we're hearing the exact same rhetoric on the the universities um all across the United States
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today so my question to you is about the truth about happiness the sad truth about happiness what can
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what can you what sad truth about happiness do you have to share with us about this current situation right well you
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know it's funny because uh you know oftentimes when I write books I could have told you that that idea had been
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simmering in my head for years before I wrote that book so for example the parasitic mind is a result of
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me having been in academia for close to three decades so then when I came to write the book I mean it's
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basically recounting all the insanity that I've seen in nearly three decades with all of these parasitic
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ideas which start on campus but then they they become the Canadian prime minister right so but but the happiness
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book was actually one that if you would have asked me three years ago or four years ago when say the
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parasitic mind came out hey what's your next top what's what do you think your next book is going to be
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on I wouldn't have told you it was the happiness book what happened with the happiness book is that
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I saw many people writing to me and saying what you always seem to be playful and having fun even as
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you said when you're tackling difficult subjects and you're such a funny guy what what's your secret
00:28:39.040
what's your secret to happiness so that was one and then second I noticed that oftentimes whenever I would
00:28:44.560
post some advice on my social media which to me seemed rather obvious advice like assume personal
00:28:52.400
responsibility get off the couch you can do it you know stuff that people have only been saying for
00:28:57.360
thousands of years people would respond incredibly positively to that number one because they trust me
00:29:04.960
number two you know because I've got the right credentials and so on and so I thought well wait a minute if
00:29:10.320
people seem to have such a longing for hey what's your secret to happiness and how you live life
00:29:15.680
maybe I can have the actual audacity of trying to take a shot at writing such a book the reason why I say
00:29:22.320
audacity is because of all possible topics that philosophers have written about through
00:29:29.280
millennia the the topic that's most been covered is how to live the good life and so I was very worried
00:29:37.040
about whether I could write a book that was that offered something unique and so I think the way that
00:29:43.600
I was able to do that is that I took some ancient wisdoms about the good life you know here comes
00:29:49.040
Epictetus here comes Aristotle here comes Seneca here comes Marcus Aurelius all these are all guys
00:29:55.840
that have written extensively about the good life I then back it up with the latest contemporary science
00:30:02.000
and neuroscience and happiness psychology and positive psychology and behavioral sciences coupled
00:30:09.120
with my own personal trajectory of happiness which is unique to me it's my life and then put together
00:30:15.680
hopefully you get a good book uh regrettably though so far I mean it's I mean it's done it's done well
00:30:21.600
in that you know compared to the average book that is published it's done well but it actually did not
00:30:28.960
do nearly as well so far although the the paperback is coming out on May 14th it hasn't done nearly as well
00:30:36.560
as parasitic mind and I don't know the exact reason for that one reason could be that people associate me a lot
00:30:42.960
more with someone who's trying to uh you know fight all of these bad ideas so once I wrote about
00:30:48.480
happiness maybe it didn't but but the reality is I am a very happy person there are some really good
00:30:54.160
insights and if you'd like I can share a few of them with you about how well yeah I think that's a good
00:30:59.040
idea because people could really use that insight right now so in one of the early chapters I talk about
00:31:05.680
the two decisions that are most likely to impart the greatest amount of happiness or misery depending
00:31:13.280
on whether you make a good decision or not and uh now what I'm the decision I'm going to say you might
00:31:18.800
say well yeah no kidding duh but again I back it up with with real uh psychological and scientific
00:31:24.960
insights so number one that the person that you choose to spend your life with your spouse choice is
00:31:31.680
is fundamentally important because if I wake up every morning and the person next to me is one
00:31:37.440
that I either go yes I can't believe I'm waking up next to this person or you go oh god damn I'm waking
00:31:42.640
up next to this person uh that's already going to determine my existential trajectory now if I return to
00:31:50.000
that person at night after working and I have either one or the other of course that's going to affect my
00:31:55.280
happiness and then in between I'm going off to to work and if I'm if I'm at a place of work that
00:32:02.960
brings me great purpose and meaning uh then I I've won the happiness lottery so then the question becomes
00:32:09.520
the devil is in the details how can you ensure that you choose the right spouse and the right job
00:32:14.800
and here I explained very early in the book unlike the typical self-help book that says here are the eight
00:32:22.400
eight prescriptions to do this and the seven and I guarantee you success I basically I'm a lot more
00:32:29.360
you know uh humble in my sales pitch I say look life is about navigating statistical minefields
00:32:38.000
and all I can do is offer you prescriptions that increase the odds of you finding happiness right I
00:32:43.920
can't guarantee it right because again each trajectory will result in a different outcome so
00:32:48.880
I'll I'll give a few prescriptions about choosing the right job and choosing the right spouse so in
00:32:54.560
evolutionary psychology there are two opposing maxims when it comes to mate choice either birds of a
00:33:00.320
feather flock together or opposites attract and your audience may or may not be surprised to know that
00:33:07.600
if you're looking for maximizing your chances of long-term success of a marriage then it's overwhelmingly
00:33:15.040
the case that birds of a feather flock together the question becomes flocking on which feathers is it
00:33:20.560
that we have to have the same eye color or the same haircut and of course it's not it's we really have to
00:33:25.600
have fundamentally shared foundational values same belief systems same at right those are really important
00:33:34.240
if I am a dogged you know orthodox jewish practitioner and you are a caustic atheist well yes maybe love
00:33:44.640
conquers all but you're certainly putting the statistical odds against your marriage working
00:33:50.320
so birds of a feather truly do flock together opposites attract works well for a short-term you know
00:33:57.600
dalliance behind the bushes I may be sexually restrained you may be sexually uh outgoing that
00:34:04.720
complementarity might lead to a nice get-together but for long-term union birds of a feather flock together
00:34:11.680
when it comes to finding the optimal job so I argue that there are two things that you can do that can again augment
00:34:20.320
your chances number one if all other things equal if you can find a job that allows you to instantiate your creative
00:34:28.480
impulse now that could mean many things a chef creates an architect creates a podcaster creates a stand-up comic
00:34:37.120
creates a professor and author creates all of these folks are in completely different domains but what's
00:34:43.360
happening is until they came along the bridge didn't exist the stand-up comedy routine didn't exist the book
00:34:51.520
didn't exist the the plate of culinary art didn't exist and so there is something unique in terms of
00:34:59.600
finding purpose and meaning when you create something out of nothing right so I always think to myself
00:35:04.240
you know I I say you know I'm I'm gonna open my laptop now and I'm going to open my word document and
00:35:11.840
right now there isn't a single letter that I've written in my next book and then one day after 12 14 16
00:35:21.680
months of very hard work I will hit the send button and I will send it off to the publisher and then a year
00:35:29.520
later people will send me selfies of them sitting at a beach in Dubai reading that book that has nothing
00:35:37.600
to do with money that I make off the sale of that book the feeling of satisfaction that I get the sense
00:35:43.200
of purpose and meaning I get of someone who's sitting in Dubai at the beach could have chosen 9 000 other
00:35:51.760
things to do that day and yet somehow my book one my god that's that's an incredible privilege so number
00:36:00.000
one all other things equal if you can find a job that allows you to create you're well on your way
00:36:06.800
to being occupationally happy the second one is I call it uh temporal freedom so I work very very long
00:36:15.840
days I I work very very hard but I feel as though I'm never working because I really am an intellectual
00:36:22.880
entrepreneur short of having to be teaching a course at a particular time on a particular day or having
00:36:28.960
a departmental meeting I'm just a vagabond I'm off to some cafe now to work for three hours on this next
00:36:34.960
paper I'm working on then I'm having a great chat with Yasmin on her show then I'm going to go off and
00:36:40.880
start thinking about some of the structure for my next book and by having that temporal freedom
00:36:47.520
I feel very fulfilled now compare that to say someone who works in the factory line where they
00:36:53.360
don't even have the dignity to choose when they can take a bathroom break it's union mandated at 10 15
00:37:00.160
you get a five minute bathroom break and at 12 you so if possible if you can hit those two marks
00:37:08.160
you're going to be happy and if you want me to give you other prescriptions I can go ahead but I'll
00:37:11.760
see the floor back to you I just thought it was really interesting the the one that you started
00:37:16.240
with and then you know both of them because they really lead to each other because if you didn't have
00:37:21.040
your wife to be the support for you then you wouldn't be able to have this freedom that you're speaking of
00:37:27.440
so 100 chose the right bird of the right feather or she did hopefully both and that allowed you to
00:37:36.160
have yeah so that so that's that's really beautiful that um you know that that worked out for you so
00:37:42.640
nicely and hopefully your book will will speak to so many people and we'll we'll allow them to also
00:37:48.320
um you know make good decisions for their future happiness um I'm gonna ask Ellen Abrams to unmute
00:37:56.400
herself because she has a good question for you guys go ahead Ellen hi so again um thank you so much
00:38:04.640
already um so enriching and and heartening um and my question is that my daughter graduated from
00:38:13.360
McGill she's in her mid-30s now and even while she was in university she would come home sometimes
00:38:19.760
and I would be aghast and and remarked to her uh you've drunk the kool-aid and this was about various
00:38:27.440
things but uh you know to my um regret now I didn't pursue it further didn't enter into conversations
00:38:36.960
with her so um her uh what I'm wondering is if you have any recommendations for parents for how to
00:38:47.840
speak with our children she's very focused on Gaza Palestine and is not seeing the bigger picture but
00:38:56.480
she's even having trouble really parsing that out and she's thoughtful she's intelligent um but we've
00:39:02.960
gotten to the point where I've just said okay this is a no-go area for us we can't talk about it um so
00:39:12.320
is there yes no I get it thank you uh so so I'm gonna give you first an optimistic answer and then
00:39:22.160
there's a small shred of possible pessimism okay uh so we'll navigate through both possibilities so in
00:39:29.680
chapter seven of uh the parasitic mind I have a chapter titled how to seek truth and and forgive
00:39:38.000
me it's it's going to be a bit of a slightly longer answer but I'm going to get to a final conclusion
00:39:44.240
in the chapter on how to seek truth I offer an epistemological tool to establish how do you know that
00:39:53.840
something is true so if I want to demonstrate that uh for example uh toy preferences have a sex
00:40:00.960
specificity because of biology right most social scientists think that the reason why Johnny plays
00:40:07.600
with trucks and the reason why Linda plays with dolls is because of you know sexist gender role
00:40:14.400
socialization from the parents okay and I want to come along and prove to you no there are actually
00:40:20.320
clear biological and evolutionary reasons why those sex specific toy preferences exist so how am I going
00:40:27.280
to do that how am I going to demonstrate the the veracity of my position well I'm going to build
00:40:34.560
what I call a nomological network of cumulative evidence which is a fancy way of saying I'm going to
00:40:40.800
amass as many distinct lines of evidence in support of my position so I won't build the whole network here
00:40:48.480
but I'll give you enough of it so that you get a sense of how you would go about doing that
00:40:53.840
so I might show you data from developmental psychology that shows you that children who are
00:40:59.040
too young to be socialized already exhibit those sex specific toy preferences so already that is a
00:41:05.680
very very I mean that's already the death nail on the on the whole story I it's a mic drop I'm done
00:41:11.920
but I'm not going to stop there I can then show you data from across cultures that shows that
00:41:17.840
those exact toy preferences exist in exactly that form I could also bring you data from across eras I
00:41:24.320
could bring you data from ancient Greece and ancient Rome where children depictions on funerary monuments
00:41:31.440
show the little boys and little girls playing with the exact same toys that little boys and little
00:41:36.160
girls play with girls play with today I can get you data from other species I can get you data from vervet monkeys
00:41:42.640
rhesus monkeys and chimpanzees showing you that they exhibit the same sex specific toy preferences as human
00:41:50.000
infants do so as you can see I am drowning you in a unassailable impossible to debate against tsunami of evidence so
00:42:02.160
so the the optimistic part of my answer so now I'm going to tie it to to your daughter and to anything that one
00:42:08.640
is trying to argue the optimistic part is that as long as you allow me to show you the nomological network
00:42:17.840
of cumulative evidence then I can flip you in other words as long as you come to the right I mean as long as
00:42:24.240
you say I'm willing to have the mind vaccine administered on me then hopefully we can have a
00:42:31.040
valuable exchange the pessimistic part hence you might see where I'm going with this is if you say
00:42:38.000
la la la la la la I don't want to hear it right I'm not taking the mind vaccine well then it's impenetrable right
00:42:46.320
because how can I persuade you of an opposing position if you're not willing to grant me the courtesy of at
00:42:53.440
least laying out the evidence so if your daughter is sufficiently open to having the cumulative the
00:43:04.240
nomological network displayed then she stands a chance if she is so dogged and dogmatic in her
00:43:12.480
anchored position that she doesn't want the vaccine then she's a lost cause now the reason why so one of
00:43:20.000
the things that I've learned in my long career now in public engagement is I can very quickly gauge
00:43:27.040
whether you are in the former category or in the latter one right life is short and it involves a lot
00:43:34.400
of trade-offs therefore I can't be wasting an hour of my time trying to build a nomological network to
00:43:42.960
someone who's already told me I'm not buying your stuff so you'll have to decide whether your daughter
00:43:49.920
is redeemable but there is a vaccine whether the person wishes to have it administered or not is a
00:43:55.120
different story and in summary that's why I don't debate Muslims and that's why I don't debate by the way
00:44:05.040
intelligent design people who say evolution is a Zionist hoax and that's why I don't debate people
00:44:11.280
who are young earth creationists who say the earth is six thousand years because there is no amount I
00:44:17.040
know that epistemologically we exist in universes that can never intersect I could never show you
00:44:24.960
any evidence that would cause you to change your mind and to your point the hardcore Muslims are never
00:44:30.240
going so there's no point in people say oh but you're a coward why don't you debate some moronic
00:44:35.760
extremist Muslim guy because there's there's no way you're going to come around to me right I say
00:44:41.600
it's a waste of time yeah I just want to jump in before I go and of course Ellen in defense and love of my
00:44:50.560
daughter I cut her more slack than anyone else in the world and even though I do think you're right
00:44:57.440
she's unreachable right now is my qualification for now
00:45:03.920
inshallah as we say it's mixed in with my other daughter stuff and all sorts of stuff but thank you
00:45:11.520
my pleasure Ellen you know what just keep dropping the seeds and then one day
00:45:17.920
she might she might be ready for that uh vaccine god's talking about yeah thank you um next norm had
00:45:28.240
a good question for you norm go ahead and unmute yourself please
00:45:34.480
yep sorry just unmuting yeah I had two questions I think you were are you referring to the first one
00:45:41.120
uh yes I only saw one so okay you go ahead choose whichever one you prefer yeah it's one thing to uh
00:45:51.280
speak up when you have no loved ones living with you how do you square um bracing violent and aggressive
00:45:58.080
ideologies like radical islamism or wokeism when you know followers of these ideologies are willing and
00:46:06.320
actually do threaten you for speaking up uh your livelihood as well as your life yes so I'm going
00:46:14.480
to answer this oftentimes when I answer in the way I'm about to answer it it kind of uh it's a slap of
00:46:21.520
reality in people's faces do you know those 18 year olds who landed on the normandy beaches
00:46:29.040
do you know that the great majority of them knew that they were going to be mowed down like
00:46:34.160
insignificant mosquitoes yet they fought each other to say yeah yeah I'll go I want to go so in other
00:46:40.320
words there is no war whether it be an ideological war for the soul of the west or an actual physical
00:46:48.240
war that you can be a combatant and yet be guaranteed safety now I'm not saying this in a cavalier way that
00:46:56.320
I don't recognize that people have real concerns about you know their livelihoods and so on but let me
00:47:03.040
share with you what my reality is I can't go to campus without having security who's paying me for
00:47:10.960
that who's giving me the medal of that who's erecting the statue of me for that so boo hoo who that people
00:47:18.080
have things to worry about if you wish to have your societies be free of ideological cancers for your
00:47:27.040
children and grandchildren there's a fight to be had now I understand that different people may
00:47:34.400
modulate the risks that they wish to take as a function of certain realities I get that right even
00:47:40.960
Aristotle to the to a point in my happiness book where I talk about the inverted you too little of
00:47:47.360
something is not good too much of something is not good and typically the optimal point is some
00:47:52.480
middle sweet spot well Aristotle said that if a soldier is too cowardly it's not good if the soldier
00:48:00.960
is so reckless in his bravery and his uh martyrdom then he's going to die very quickly so there has to
00:48:07.520
be some temperance in the middle so I appreciate that people face real consequences but why don't you
00:48:14.240
tell that to the brave people in the middle east who are willing to take the risks not to lose their job
00:48:20.400
but to lose their heads and yet they speak so no I'm not very sympathetic to people my cortisol level
00:48:28.880
goes through the roof because of the stuff that I have to do even though I have a fun and positive and
00:48:34.400
happy demeanor my blood pressure goes up when someone comes up to me in the street I don't know if they're
00:48:40.880
going to be a friend or a foe so these are all costs that we have to bear and that's why in the last chapter
00:48:48.320
of the parasitic mind I tell people don't diffuse the responsibility onto others right you can decide
00:48:56.240
how much you want to speak and where you want to speak you simply don't have the right to say I will
00:49:02.560
never take a millimeter of risk let Ghat Saad and Yasmin worry about it they're big boys and girls
00:49:10.560
they'll they'll bear the brunt of the risk right it might be you simply challenge your professor
00:49:17.120
politely in class it might be you challenge your friend at the pub who says some inane things about
00:49:23.040
you know women too can have penises whatever it is you have to at least have the courage at some
00:49:31.200
point to defend reality and the foundational values of the west if not you're a coward that doesn't
00:49:37.600
deserve to live in free societies I don't mean you and I don't mean you in particular I'm speaking in
00:49:43.680
general understood and point well taken I think my question was focused on when we have you know
00:49:50.480
like the American sniper movie you see the terrorist holding a drill to his son's head you know it's one
00:49:57.760
thing to put oneself at risk like I see you do is how do you square the danger that can come to your
00:50:03.200
loved ones for speaking up because most of us have love have children and and husband or wife or
00:50:10.720
partner so I'll flip it another way I do what I do precisely out of the love for my children right
00:50:19.040
because my wife has often asked me you have a very busy life as a professor if you did nothing other
00:50:25.680
than your you know your lab work and your scientific work you have a very busy life why do you need to
00:50:31.440
why do you need to be the savior of uh you know I say well because if we didn't have young children
00:50:37.840
and if it was only about us maybe even though it's not part of my personality but maybe I could accept
00:50:43.920
let's just move to Sarasota and and and do paddle boarding and let someone else I've done enough for the
00:50:49.760
world but I have young children and you have young children if you're not willing to defend them from the
00:50:55.920
monster that's coming down the road well I'm gonna have to stand up and defend them so it's actually
00:51:01.360
paradoxically the opposite of your position yes in the short term my children might be at risk
00:51:06.960
because someone recognizes me with them but I'm doing what I'm doing precisely so that my children
00:51:11.840
can live free in 20 30 50 years got it thank you yeah and if I could add to that really get what you
00:51:21.680
were saying about like just speak up a little bit in conversation in your classrooms with your
00:51:26.480
co-workers or whatever you know just if everybody just did their part a little bit if people were
00:51:31.760
just a little less cowardly then we wouldn't be in this situation the reason why we're in this
00:51:38.400
situation is because of cowardice we've got bullies right now that are bullying us and we are capitulating
00:51:45.760
to them instead of standing up to them exactly if more of us did standing up then it would be safer for
00:51:51.200
all of us can I link what you just said yasmin to one of the most classic and famous psychology
00:51:58.000
studies ever conducted okay it's it's going to be a beautiful segue some of you may or may not know so
00:52:04.080
I'm going to this explain the whole thing because I'm not going to assume that everybody knows it
00:52:07.840
one of the most famous experiments ever conducted in the behavioral sciences is by Solomon Ash and what's
00:52:14.080
these are called the ash conformity experiments and what Solomon Ash did is he basically said I want to
00:52:22.080
see if I'm able to get people to conform to lies that are astronomically obvious because so so do you
00:52:34.160
believe you're lying eyes or do you go ahead with the group right and so what he did is he developed a
00:52:39.520
very simple and elegant experiment I usually explain this at the start of pretty much any
00:52:45.120
course that I teach because I try to explain to my students that good science does not have to be
00:52:49.840
convoluted as a matter of fact some of the most beautiful and elegant science you could explain it
00:52:54.800
to a 10 year old that that's actually the measure of how powerful it is okay so basically imagine this
00:53:00.560
I'm going to put three lines here the three lines are very different in terms of their length line
00:53:06.560
line a is this long line b is this long line c is this long and then I'm going to put a fourth line
00:53:12.720
called x which is the same distance which is the same length as one of the three abc and I'm going to ask
00:53:20.640
people which of the lines abc is the same as x you follow now so let's suppose a is this big
00:53:29.440
right and x is this small so we know for sure absolutely unless you are congenitally blind we
00:53:39.120
know that that's the wrong answer if people say the right and the correct answer is a they're insane
00:53:46.880
the point of the experiment is to bring in a bunch of people into the lab and then you put them in a
00:53:53.040
line of say eight people in a row and the first seven are really confederates confederates is just
00:53:59.280
a fancy term for they're in on the experiment they're pretending that they are participants
00:54:04.000
but they are part of the experimental manipulation yes and so the reality is that the only real
00:54:10.080
participant is the eighth one but unbeknownst to him or her that the other seven are fake ones so I'm
00:54:16.400
going to start with the first one and say which of the three lines abc is the same as x and remember
00:54:22.720
if I say a it's the unbelievably not same distance right so the first person says a the second person
00:54:30.880
says a the third person says a so as you see that we're going down to that final person as a matter
00:54:38.080
of fact you can go on I think it's probably available on youtube where they actually filmed the experiment
00:54:43.920
now what do you think happens in terms of the non-verbal cues of the eighth person the real
00:54:52.160
subject when the first person says a the the response is what the fuck right it's what are you insane
00:55:01.920
then as we go down the real subject is looking around are you guys seeing what I'm seeing
00:55:08.720
am I insane or are you insane and then by the time we get to the eighth one the body language
00:55:16.480
is crushed they are crushed by the weight of conformity I've literally lectured what I just
00:55:23.840
said maybe 40 million times as I lecture it I still get goosebumps why because that's it that's the whole
00:55:30.800
enchilada you just explained one of the most fundamental features of human nature using an experiment
00:55:37.920
that a seven-year-old understands now not everyone conformed but even as if a single person conformed
00:55:47.040
if now it was a lot more than one but even if one had conformed you'd say how could the world
00:55:53.760
have such a person exist but you could look at it it's a lie so to Yasmin's point so you could see where
00:56:02.000
why I gave that example what happens to people is they look around the world they see what they see
00:56:09.920
they get it the problem is no one speaks so maybe it's only me who's seeing this maybe right so the
00:56:19.680
inaction the cowardice the tepidness of everyone creates a natural ash experiment whereby we're all quiet
00:56:29.680
because we think that if I am the one who speaks out I must be the insane one that's why I tell
00:56:35.600
people activate your inner honey badger again the reason why I say that the honey badger has been
00:56:43.760
ranked as the most ferocious animal in the animal kingdom which is saying a lot there's a lot of
00:56:48.560
ferocious animals it's the size of a small dog and yet it is so ferocious that you can have six adult
00:56:56.880
lions be intimidated by it how could that be well it is because it's insane right it people look at it
00:57:04.720
and or animals look at it and say I'm I'm not messing with that this is this guy's insane well when I say
00:57:10.480
activate your inner honey badger I don't it's not a call to violence right it's not a call to physical
00:57:15.280
violence it's a call to being ferocious and feverish in your defense of reality of common sense of human
00:57:25.280
dignity of reason of liberty be irate be angry don't be cowardly so that's why I say activate
00:57:33.120
your inner honey badger so you're exactly right Yasmin this problem could be resolved by next Tuesday
00:57:38.880
if everybody rose up the problem is I know human nature and I know that they won't rise up they will
00:57:46.960
rise up in 50 years at the cost of 20 million people dying let's hope it doesn't take that long
00:57:55.600
and let's hope the number of casualties is not that high but I agree with your analogy of the dropping the
00:58:01.520
ball I do think that this is going to be something that is you know unpreventable and I think a lot of it
00:58:13.520
has to do with that experiment that you described I would guess that probably about 70 to 80 people
00:58:19.200
conformed like the few people that stand up and say hang on a minute what do you mean men can get
00:58:24.440
pregnant or hang on a minute what do you mean Islam is the religion of peace whatever it is that's the
00:58:30.600
that's the the current nonsense that we're trying to convince people of and especially when you're in a
00:58:37.320
university situation where you feel so insecure and you're there to learn and then your professors
00:58:43.400
are sharing this stuff and telling you this stuff so you already feel that sense of like well they must
00:58:50.240
know what they're talking about they're the ones with the doctorates I'm just a first year I'm just
00:58:54.000
here to learn and so you end up um it's just such a successful you know institution for for
00:59:03.640
indoctrinating whatever it is you know billions of dollars coming from Qatar or whatever their
00:59:08.960
Marxist DEI or whatever it is it's just a perfect place for it exactly but yeah anyway thank you so
00:59:17.700
much for that that was this is this is like really I feel like I'm in one of your classes right now
00:59:22.380
this is great um Hannah you're next okay hi I'm just leaving my camera off because
00:59:31.120
um an abundance of caution so um it's very cool to see your face though um I I wanted to ask
00:59:41.580
actually about oppression and internal Jewish um dynamics basically so um my for context I'm Ashkenazi
00:59:53.760
Holocaust offspring and all that good stuff and my partner though is Mizrahi from uh
01:00:00.860
Muslim majority country uh like you but anyway I'm not going to say what country and uh there his
01:00:08.640
family still lives there and it's not safe at all that's why my camera's off so um I just I don't
01:00:16.920
want to put anyone in danger at all but anyways so um I wanted to ask you about you know there's like
01:00:24.200
about 35,000 Jews still in the Middle East um not Israel countries and I wanted to ask about this
01:00:35.040
big contrast in their lived experiences like the oppression that they live today and that like
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nobody cares especially well not but like Ashkenazi progressive anti-Zionist Jews who we used to call
01:00:50.000
in tokens but now they're a growing in number uh and uh I'm just completely like I don't even know
01:00:59.840
how to deal with my own community because because I you know I think I'm progressive I don't know like
01:01:07.160
I I really care about stuff and I don't understand how to reconcile our worlds together like uh
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like just especially anti-Zionist Ashkenazi throwing other Jews under the bus all the time
01:01:23.200
so I guess my question is you know we know that mainstream Jewish narratives are very Ashkenazi
01:01:31.200
centric um and maybe can you talk about this dynamic and how it's how it's shaping things out and
01:01:41.460
maybe all this in a relationship to like stuff about indigeneity and stuff like that sure I mean
01:01:47.940
there are several there are several factors at play there let me begin with one that you know is
01:01:55.460
straight out of the parasitic mind so does does anybody recognize the name Anna Epstein she became
01:02:01.860
famous for a few seconds a couple of months ago she's the Jewish student from either Boston College or
01:02:10.000
Boston University that was caught on camera ripping down the posters of Jewish babies right so Anna Epstein
01:02:21.340
is so much more progressive and empathetic than all of you monstrous cretins that she has attained
01:02:28.800
another level of enlightenment whereby despite her being Jewish she's tearing down in rejection of the
01:02:36.760
Jewish baby posters right now why am I saying this under the parasitic framework because let me
01:02:45.300
explain why I used the the neuro parasitological framework in in my in the book the parasitic mind
01:02:52.800
so let's take the wood cricket the wood cricket I mean a literal cricket it despises water it doesn't
01:03:01.520
want to do anything want to do anything with water but when its brain is parasitized by a neural parasite
01:03:08.520
a particular hair worm the hair worm needs the wood cricket to jump into water to its hapless death
01:03:18.020
because for it to complete its reproductive cycle it meaning the parasite it needs to happen in water
01:03:24.760
so it alters the neuronal circuitry of the wood cricket so that it takes something that it has an innate
01:03:31.220
fear of and then it jumps into the water to its suicide those are your Ashkenazi friends they're parasitized
01:03:39.300
they went to Oberlin they went to Wellesley they went to Harvard they know nothing about the reality
01:03:47.980
what they do know what they do know is suicidal empathy drum roll topic of my next book right which is
01:03:56.260
it is the empathy module being hyperactive and misdirected right homeless people more important than
01:04:07.980
homeowners noble MS-13 gang members coming out of the southern border more important than
01:04:17.780
legal citizens and on and on so when the suicidal empathy model misfires hyper activates you get all
01:04:25.980
sorts of policy problems that arise and hence this could this is likely to be the topic of my next book
01:04:31.640
so what your Ashkenazi friends are doing is they are parasitized by various neuro parasites they don't
01:04:40.020
have the inoculation that comes from having lived the reality of the experience of the Mizrahi Jews
01:04:47.460
where they can say well let me let me teach you about what the reality is and so for all of those
01:04:53.780
reasons they can't extricate themselves from the fact that unlike those really combative war-like
01:05:01.880
Mizrahi Jews remember the the Jews from the Middle East are often referred to as the blacks of the Jews even
01:05:10.800
even even just being Arabic when I used to play soccer we used to be called sand n-word right so so
01:05:20.160
what happens with so there's as I said it's a complicated story but there's definitely a dynamic
01:05:26.360
where the Ashkenazis are you know they're the Oberlin folks they're the Wellesley folks they're just
01:05:33.660
infinitely empathetic right free free Palestine queers for Palestine they're enlightened unlike
01:05:40.700
those other warring black Jews and so for all those reasons they they hold the position that they do
01:05:48.420
now some of them have woken up right Bill Ackman has woken up yes but it frustrates me that it
01:05:56.220
you don't have to be woken up personally just that's what I was going to say yeah that's what
01:06:00.300
yeah sorry to interrupt I ruined it please I'm glad you said it because the the problem and that's
01:06:06.220
another feature of the architecture of the human mind is that diabetes doesn't exist unless it hits
01:06:16.300
my home there is no such thing as diabetes okay but once it hits my son type 1 diabetes oh there is
01:06:24.380
such thing as diabetes once it hits me as type 2 diabetes there so it has to personally hit me so
01:06:30.720
Bill Ackman and I'm not taking anything away from him we we follow each other he knows me I'm hoping
01:06:36.360
to have a chat with him soon he's a lovely guy he's an incredibly successful guy but Bill Ackman is a
01:06:42.720
manifestation of all those super influential wealthy liberal Jews who it took for reality to be one
01:06:52.080
millimeter away from you for you to say oh damn but when Gad Saad was standing to an earlier question
01:06:58.720
you asked at the top of the mountain going wake up wake up people were saying ah come on this doesn't
01:07:04.680
affect me I go to the cool parties in Cambridge so that's the problem is that oftentimes the only way
01:07:12.000
to get people to respond to a reality is exactly what Yasmin said once it comes to my home what do you
01:07:19.080
mean Sharia zones there are no Sharia zones I don't see that there are no hijabs where I live oh shit look
01:07:26.880
at that in seven years every seven out of ten women are failed but four years ago you told me that there
01:07:35.860
is no such thing I'm exaggerating that's the that's the failure of of the capability of humans to extrapolate
01:07:45.400
patterns right that's one of the reasons by the way why my satire is so effective and why I often
01:07:52.000
refer to it and others do as prophetic satire why because I'm able to take a lunacy today that people
01:08:00.440
are espousing and I just extrapolate it to its extreme boundary condition and then I satirize it there
01:08:08.360
and I wait with my hands crossed until reality catches up to my satire let me give you a quick
01:08:14.860
example about eight years ago I put out a clip you know with my whole woke wig and everything where I
01:08:21.900
was introducing a new field of study called social justice mathematics because I have a mathematics
01:08:28.680
background I used all the terminology from mathematics and I came up with all kinds of bullshit you can't use
01:08:35.120
the term irrational numbers because that marginalizes mental illness you can't I did all that stuff and
01:08:41.340
guess what it now exists well is it because I'm a prophet no it's because I'm able to take where we
01:08:50.460
are in point a trace out the slippery slope and then mock it at the point b that's what happens and so
01:08:59.400
what your Ashkenazi friends are doing is they don't see that slippery slope they're patting their backs
01:09:05.920
in terms of how progressive they are until reality hits them hard tomorrow morning
01:09:11.640
thank you I don't think they want to see that anyway thank you sure
01:09:18.180
okay so Daniel is next with a question that quite a few people had sort of variations of this question
01:09:26.660
Susanna hopefully your question will be answered in this as well um Daniel go ahead
01:09:33.080
yes nice to meet you nice to meet you um okay uh are some of the leaders in Canada the
01:09:43.820
politician politician leaders going to work against anti-semitism and what and if so what are they going
01:09:52.780
to do and uh nothing they're going they're going to generate vacuous empty platitudes hate has no home
01:10:06.520
here uh we will fight anti-semitism by combating islamophobia hence that's why I'm I'm somber because
01:10:17.560
there is absolutely no stomach there is no uh demonstration that there are any uh
01:10:25.640
cataclysmic leader who's going to come and quickly eradicate this stuff I only see it
01:10:34.580
worsening and therefore so to answer your question I I don't see any serious effort none of them are
01:10:41.280
going to grow courage and I don't know I remember hearing Trump um for the election of
01:10:47.540
for the upcoming election telling we are going to deport all the giadi sympathizer and all that
01:10:53.120
stuff none of them are going to have the same courage as he having not even close I mean the the
01:11:00.400
closest I see a leader doing that and people are announced oh he's a he's a nazi is you know where I
01:11:07.960
felt incredibly safe walking hungry I went to Hungary twice over the past few years the the most
01:11:17.120
recent one was on the invitation of the the president of Hungary and I didn't feel any
01:11:23.940
Jew hatred you know why because they have a closed border immigration policy so that what they what
01:11:32.560
what Hungary is exhibiting today is how the west was 25 years ago where Jews actually felt completely
01:11:41.780
comfortable look let me this is not necessarily a response to to Daniel but it's kind of building
01:11:48.400
on the offshoot of what he asked on any given day I always like to use this analogy let's suppose
01:11:54.620
you're trying to lose weight okay on any given day only three possible states of the world can happen as
01:12:03.520
relating to your weight because of the actions you took that day your weight could go up your weight can
01:12:10.440
stay exactly the same or your weight can go down is that true there's no other possibility right and so if
01:12:16.760
you if you have enough days where your weight went down then you will have weight loss right and I lost a lot
01:12:24.800
of weight over the past few years okay now let's apply that very simple principle that there are three
01:12:30.060
possibilities for a phenomenon okay to immigration if you let in hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who
01:12:42.300
originate from societies where they're using an extraordinary number of disparate data for example nonpartisan
01:12:52.380
pew surveys that show that people who come from those societies are you all paying attention
01:12:59.060
95 to 99 of cold people exhibit hatred towards the jew right now let me let me state this again
01:13:10.140
if I said that 10 of the people from those societies exhibit this favorable attitude towards the jew that should
01:13:20.120
stop you in your tracks 10 is a very big number but if I say it's 95 to 99 now we let in a thousand
01:13:28.220
now we let in a hundred thousand now we let in six million is jew hatred in the host nation going to
01:13:35.560
increase is it going to stay the same or is it going to decrease it doesn't take fancy professor dr
01:13:43.800
gatzad to to get that for you but again just like the solomon ash experiment I don't want to see it I don't
01:13:51.500
believe my lying eyes so now people go my god where does this jew hatred come from who where is it how
01:13:58.720
could it be well you've let in millions of people that define their societies contra their jew hatred
01:14:06.540
I got diabetes the jew did it my wife cheated on me the jew did it my store didn't work the jew did it
01:14:15.380
it's sunny outside it's sunny outside it's the jew it's rainy outside it's the jew now we import 10 million
01:14:22.140
of those people what happens now I don't need to also give the old but I know millions of muslims who are
01:14:28.500
lovely Yasmin comes from that culture I don't have any ill will I only have love for her I know practicing
01:14:36.840
muslims that are very good friends of mine but does islam contain tenets that are perfectly incongruent with
01:14:45.220
western values nothing could be clearer and yet not a single leader in the west is willing to say
01:14:51.100
what I just said which is a terribly banal and obvious statement therefore if we keep this up
01:14:56.480
the west will die it might take 500 years it might take five years but it will die save this conversation
01:15:03.160
I think it's also the perfect storm between those groups that you mentioned and then also of course
01:15:10.000
the marxism that has taken over our universities and our countries um and the anti-semitism that's
01:15:18.740
there as well and so the the two of them together have that shared shared hate that alliance exactly
01:15:25.660
well it's it's I mean to use the medical uh analogy or terminology it's comorbidity right I mean it's bad
01:15:34.140
if I am 60 pounds overweight it's worse if I'm 60 pounds overweight and I smoke it's worse if I'm 60
01:15:44.120
pounds overweight I smoke and I never exercise so there is no mechanism to protect my heart or my
01:15:51.020
blood pressure that's what you're seeing in the west exactly to your point there's a perfect confluence
01:15:56.200
of every possible problem that has resulted in the in the problem that we're facing today
01:16:01.880
okay if can I have another question do you think about um doing if if it's going to reach
01:16:10.160
hell in Canada if you allow me to exaggerate um do you think about doing aliyah which means
01:16:18.980
immigration to Israel yes uh well it's funny that you say this because when you think about this
01:16:25.300
think about this uh like this we are actually he's trying to recruit you I think he works for
01:16:32.420
Israeli immigration um come work at our universities we are forced to have close borders because
01:16:39.820
the Middle East is wild as hell yes uh look uh in when we were deciding where we were well we I was 11
01:16:50.860
years old but when we were when my parents were deciding where we were going to leave my father was
01:16:56.500
very keen on the family moving to Israel I'm talking now in the 70s and in a sense luckily my mother won
01:17:06.440
that argument I say luckily not out of any disrespect for Israel because of course most of my family lives
01:17:12.760
in Israel and so on uh my extended family that is but uh in 1982 when Israel went into Lebanon to
01:17:22.720
clean some house there had my father won that debate I would have been the first guy in the tanks moving to
01:17:33.680
Lebanon because that would have been in my first year of military service I'm the Arabic speaking guy
01:17:39.920
from Lebanon so in a sense the the possibility of us making aliyah has been in the in discussion in my
01:17:48.500
family for many many years so the reason why I'm answering that question is because then the next
01:17:54.340
issue is well I'm too old to go in the to be a commando but I do have young children now on the one hand I
01:18:03.280
could say well sure I want them to serve and protect uh Israel but on the other hand having a
01:18:09.900
escaped all that lunacy I'm a bit tepid to go back into the the cauldron of of hate but but I hear
01:18:18.040
you Israel might end up being the only safe place for Jews so your your point is well taken
01:18:23.620
can I have one what about the rest of us where do I go where's where's my Israel well it's hungry
01:18:32.480
Sarah Sarah hears me like what about us yes go ahead no I I I hear you listen I've I've sat with
01:18:40.100
my wife at a cafe where we look at each other and we say where to next uh it's it's very I mean
01:18:49.120
it's clear that our long-term future not even our long-term future our our our medium-term future
01:18:56.300
is not going to be in Montreal it's it's truly untenable uh maybe some red state in in in the
01:19:05.420
us where at least I have the possibility of carrying a gun so that if if I have a maniac coming at me I
01:19:13.040
can go out with dignity by the way just I'm just free free associating here one I tell the story in
01:19:20.860
the parasitic mind of a recurring nightmare that I had for close to I mean I probably haven't had it
01:19:28.300
in 10 years maybe but the first 25 30 years having left Lebanon I would have a consistent nightmare
01:19:37.460
which was one of two forms the bad guys are coming to get us and my gun uh malfunctions or the bad guys
01:19:49.500
are coming for us and I ran out of ammo and I told that story to uh uh Rob Rob O'Neill the the I mean
01:20:00.020
literally the guy who killed bin Laden who was part of the seal seal six navy team and as I told him that
01:20:07.960
story he goes oh many of us have that dream in the military and it's called the uh the warrior dream or
01:20:16.580
something like that right why am I saying all this because now I feel like I'm back to being
01:20:23.420
the 10 year old kid in Lebanon whose life depends on whether the bad guys come in or not and get me
01:20:32.300
whereas at least to Yasmin's comment if I can be in a place where at least I have a fighting chance
01:20:40.360
one of the things that I love about the U.S. notwithstanding all of the the blue states and
01:20:44.480
all that is that there are more guns in the U.S. than there are people so if if if the Americans are
01:20:50.900
going to go out they're going out fighting right whereas Canada is the singularly most castrated
01:21:00.100
feminized society that the world has ever created when I had death threats on me and I went to the
01:21:06.940
police and said well is there a way for me to get a gun license is there I mean they knew me they knew
01:21:12.480
how high profile I was they knew of the threats on me they said no when they come to you call 911
01:21:17.840
yes because when when when Muhammad comes to knife me I'll just call 911 wait a minute just hold on
01:21:26.940
Muhammad just wait till the cops come in 12 minutes right whereas if I'm carrying hey you may kill me
01:21:34.500
but I may kill you back so you need to go to a place where you still have the the personal dignity
01:21:40.680
to be able to defend yourself and regrettably there are fewer and fewer places in the west where you
01:21:45.740
can do that
01:21:46.340
are you happy with that Daniel
01:21:49.780
just one final question I'm sorry for holding on for the rest of you I understand let's just say
01:21:57.680
that a relative of mine is dating a Persian Jew and she told she has an uncle that's still in Iran
01:22:06.820
and uncle Jew that's still in Iran and she only saw some family members from Iran three times in her life
01:22:17.120
and we tried to let's just say they tried to convince them maybe to make a move here but they are scared to
01:22:27.760
lose everything they built in Iran even though my mother also told them there is no cost for freedom
01:22:38.280
at least here she the same Persian Jew also told me that they had they had a hard time leaving Israel
01:22:49.020
for going back to Iran because they finally had didn't have to to walk around covering their head
01:22:59.340
and you know be free from all that chaos like how do you convince someone to just forget all of that
01:23:09.520
and and I don't know maybe they yeah I I get your question uh to our earlier comment about it has to
01:23:21.240
hit you in the face before you you wake up to it right uh we only left Lebanon when it
01:23:29.240
became impossible to be in Lebanon right I mean most of my extended family had already left they
01:23:35.240
had read the writing on the wall and yet my parents having been well entrenched within Lebanese society
01:23:41.440
just thought there's no reason for I'm not blaming them I'm just saying that it's it's hard when you've
01:23:46.680
built a whole life right you have you have your business you have your life you have your network
01:23:50.680
I mean you're Lebanese you're not Israeli right I mean yes you're Jewish but you're Lebanese
01:23:55.380
you listen to Arabic music your cooking is Lebanese everything is Lebanese right so it's only when it
01:24:02.020
hits you and there is really no alternative it's either I leave or die and as a matter of fact I mean
01:24:08.720
to that point remember I mentioned earlier that even when we escaped death in Lebanon my parents kept
01:24:17.040
returning to Lebanon right I mean it was in 1980 when they were finally kidnapped by Fatah it was one of
01:24:23.900
their many return trips so you might say how is that rational that makes no sense you you escaped we got
01:24:30.720
on that plane where you put the star of David on me how the hell did you ever go back that makes no
01:24:36.940
sense well it makes sense if you understand that human nature is such that you've you've built a life
01:24:43.120
so I don't think I have a magic recipe for you all that I can say is that it if they are truly
01:24:51.260
entrenched within Iranian society the only time that they will wake up is when they are calling
01:24:56.960
them to sorry to say to hang them and then suddenly they'll either wake up and say it's time to go to
01:25:04.060
Israel or they'll bad things will happen to them that's the reality of yeah that's the story of the
01:25:10.940
holocaust too though isn't it exactly that's exactly right exactly right it won't affect us
01:25:17.500
we'll be able to lay low it I think it's too good here what if we go somewhere else we'll never be
01:25:23.980
accepted I know that our neighbors are really nice and they'll protect us there are an endless number
01:25:29.200
of reasons why it isn't currently the right time to leave until it's too late now by the way this
01:25:36.420
reality of the miracle of having been able to escape incredibly small odds of leaving Lebanon
01:25:43.020
when we did to link it back to the happiness book I actually use the tragedy of of my background
01:25:51.520
to make me happy in life why because whenever I'm going through something in my daily life that causes
01:26:00.840
me to go down on myself that uh this sucks I have pressure I can always use the pill in my internal
01:26:08.520
dialogue and say wait a minute you're you're complaining because a lot of people want to talk
01:26:14.080
to you on the media and you have to travel to speak about your book remember you escaped the middle east and
01:26:22.740
suddenly that can contextualize for me whatever is pissing me off stressing me causing me anxiety
01:26:30.460
making me feel as if life is dreary against that backdrop so I truly think that we can take these
01:26:37.860
stories of true victimhood not manufactured bs victimhood and actually use them to our advantage
01:26:46.100
yes they're part of our story they're part of the regrettable realities of life but boy have I used that
01:26:53.880
to actually lead a happy enriched life because I knew I know that those PLO militia that were driving us
01:27:03.060
to the airport could have taken us to a ditch and put a bullet in our head and that's it you're not
01:27:09.700
speaking to me right now so against that backdrop I lead a pretty good life that's that sounds very
01:27:17.820
similar to to me and the choices I've made as well good right um so again many many variations of this
01:27:26.420
same question and I want to end on on this question and we're kind of going to be looking to you now as
01:27:32.080
uh as the hope the guru it's a big question um a lot of really sad stories in the comments and
01:27:42.640
especially sad one about a woman who's sharing a story about a Lebanese friend of hers you know
01:27:48.620
they'd gotten pregnant together twice raised their kids together they're really good friends and then
01:27:53.360
of course on October 7th that woman was one of the first people to you know immediately celebrate the
01:28:00.600
the death of innocent people in Israel so they're obviously not friends anymore um many stories like
01:28:07.480
that lots of people sharing just feeling scared feeling depressed some people are asking if they
01:28:13.860
need to convert to Islam if that's where we're at um but I'm going to kind of collect all of those
01:28:19.680
questions and and ask you how will the west survive what can we do now like where do you see
01:28:27.460
a future a hopeful future is it yeah what what can be done at this point so on on the grand kind of
01:28:37.240
one sentence uh you cannot have in your society people who ascribe to an ideology that is
01:28:47.120
manufactured to be antithetical to every one of the foundational values of your society that could
01:28:54.800
never coexist there isn't just part of pancreatic cancer that's okay right there is there isn't some
01:29:03.880
optimal level of pancreatic cancer it there isn't now don't don't no I'm not saying that Muslims are
01:29:11.180
cancer no Islam Islam is completely incompatible and inconsistent and incongruent with fundamental
01:29:23.160
tenets of human flourishing nothing could be clearer does does that mean that there aren't
01:29:28.800
hundreds of millions of Muslims who are incredibly lovely incredibly peaceful kind generous spiritual
01:29:35.980
happy of course not we're talking about an ideology do these two ideologies one is called western
01:29:43.600
liberties and freedoms enlightenment secularism do these are they consistent with Islam when as
01:29:51.500
properly practiced there is cafeteria Islam where I just ignore the things that I don't like right
01:29:56.620
there are endless Muslims that don't want to kill Jews but what does Islamic canons say about the Jews
01:30:05.000
well that's incontestable so on a general level there needs to be a complete re-discussion re-evaluation
01:30:15.800
of our current immigration policies so that's that's at the broad kind of macro level nothing could
01:30:22.000
either worsen things or improve them more than that okay if you want to come you're from Yemen or
01:30:28.400
Pakistan Pakistan and you want to leave those values and check them at the door then come in my brother
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let's let's build a greater fun society together if you don't want to on you know leave leave those then
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you're not welcome right so that's number one at the individual level I say to my earlier point
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there is a way to turn this around the reason why it can't be is because we are in a gargantuan
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Solomon Ash simulation it is part of the architecture of the human mind to not act the default value of
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humans is incredible cowardice that's why I say you need to add cowardice as an eighth deadly sin now it could
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be included in sloth which is or avarice which is one of the seven deadly sins but I'd like to add it as its own
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category the reason why heroic figures are heroic and then revered in history is because they are
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anomalous right they they're outliers right it's the hero that is different from all the cowards that
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had the courage to stand up so what I implore people is to somehow look within themselves and I'm
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I mean it sounds like I'm speaking harshly but I am trying to be optimistic to to Yasmin's request
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you have to find your spine and you have to find your testicles irrespective of whether you're male
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or female that's why I for example say that most academics belong to a unique biological species
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they're called invertebrate castrati they don't have a spine they don't have testicles we're both
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academics so there you go so you hashtag not all academics but you could confirm that you agree that
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most of our colleagues are spineless and castrate okay so you can't fight a war whether it be an
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ideological war or a physical war where one side is unbelievably committed in their zeal and the other
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side is committed in its self-implosion right human history is defined at all human history in every
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corner of the world is defined I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the two sentence of all history there is
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a river there is one group of folks that live on one side of the river there is another group of folks
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that live on the other side of the river each group is looking at the water supply at the other side and
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at the pretty women on the other side and is saying hmm I think I'd like to get some of that and the only
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thing that stops each of those two groups from acting out on their desire is because each of the
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two groups knows that there are men in each of those two groups that are not going to lay down dying
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in some cases we decide you know what it's worth fighting for it in other cases we size ourselves up and
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say yeah those guys across the river look pretty nasty I better keep quiet for the first time in history
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we have a violation of this river analogy or or story we have one group of folks who say we're coming
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for you and the other side says I will actually show you how to get to the bedroom where I put my
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children that's how progressive I am I will show you the exact roadmap of where we hid our women
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that's how progressive I am that those two can't work if those two stay together I can predict with
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absolute assuredness who's going to win so the now here's the optimism part not all men I say men it
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could also be women but you know what I'm speaking in the in the generic not all men in the west don't
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have testicles the problem is they may wake up too late down the road where it will require a lot
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more violence for it to solve it the issue will be addressed and I truly believe that the west will
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wake up and win but it's going to be bloody because right now those the enemy ideology is in every street
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corner at one point it was on the other side of the river so as long as the two rivers didn't we didn't
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cross you can live your life as best as you want and we live it as best as we can but once we say
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we suck we're useless we're garbage everything about us is wrong and everything about you is beautiful and
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noble the other side says boy they're idiots as a matter of fact by the way I'll maybe I'll end with
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this it's it's maybe not the optimism that you wanted but maybe it wakes you up I've spoken to a lot
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of Arabic people usually this happened before they knew who I was right because otherwise they
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wouldn't say the things that they do in some cases they're friends that actually do say it openly to me
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they say the west is a woman to be mounted I could even translate it for you in Arabic but it won't matter
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for most people right so listen to the imagery the west is a woman you mount that's the mindset right
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I explained this in a recent article that I wrote for national post I called it culture cultural
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blindness or lacking cultural theory of mind what does that mean when the west acts magnanimous
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compassionate compassionate forgiving empathetic they think that those values will be treated as
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virtuous by the other camp and that will be reciprocated you know how it's analyzed by the
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other side weak weak weak weak I'm mounting you hey get ready I hope you're ready I'm about to mount you
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you ready so that's what people don't understand that's why people like me who speak with that
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cadence with that intonation by the way on Monday I'm speaking with uh Mossab the the the son of the
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uh founder of uh Hamas when you hear him speaking to me it's like music to the ears because when he takes
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on two obnoxious students who are wearing the keffiyeh who grew up in in the u.s and who are doing free
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free Palestine he doesn't mince his words he doesn't fool around and that to them it hits them they they don't
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know how to react so that's why I always say it's immigrants who are the strongest defenders of the west
01:37:16.300
it's Yasmin it's Ayaan Hirsi Ali it's Ghat Saad why because we've sampled the buffets of all societies
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and so we know that what's out there is not what you have in the west and so we come and say be
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careful you're you're replicating the middle east and most westerners go oh come on stop exaggerating
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stop screaming from the top of the mountain so I do think that once people do wake up we can hopefully
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turn it around and have a better future
01:37:47.880
okay wonderful thank you I hope so I hope lots of people listen to you your your uh sad truth read
01:37:59.480
your books listen to this podcast hear what you're saying I you know you're preaching to the choir with
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me because I'm one of those people that's also considered an alarmist and what do you talk because
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they don't see what we see you know they don't know what we know after October 7th a lot of eyes
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were opened you know I had Israeli friends who would tell me Yasmin you're just so much you know
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you need to relax and after October 7th they called me frying in some cases one of my friends was in
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Tel Aviv on October 7th and she called me and she was saying I am so sorry like I I see what you were
01:38:37.760
saying now it's heartbreaking you don't want them to know what you know you know what I mean like
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what you are describing in in a lot of this whole conversation is trauma you are the result of
01:38:52.320
childhood trauma a lot of what you have done is is as a result of that you know and people who have not
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seen the kind of you know evil that humans are potential of have the potential to do the way you
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have the way I have they don't believe that it exists you know it's like you said the diabetes
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doesn't exist because I don't have it or nobody that I love has it you know it's you know everything
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you you said so many things in this conversation today that I really you know we should just make
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like an entire quote book out of it and then just give it away for free like and just hope
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that that people start to listen pay attention I don't know if there's any hope for Canada but I
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really hope that that we do have Canadians that do start to pay attention there were so many amazing
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comments for you here people talking about how your book has changed their life their lives yeah it's
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been really beautiful but you know it's just it's just too much um too many comments of love and
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appreciation um so I'll just say on behalf of everybody here thank you thank you so much for
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your time thank you so much for sharing so much of your your life story and your experiences and your
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wisdom with us and uh and yeah we're very very grateful to have you here and to have you on our side
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thank you so much thank you for the kind words and guys please get out there and speak out we can win
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this thank you so much shabbat shalom to those of you who are part of the evil juice to those who are
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not have a great weekend I wish you a restful and fun weekend cheers everybody thank you bye
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