Growing up in Lebanon, October 7th, & the future of the West (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_667)
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Summary
Dr. Gadsad was born in Lebanon in the late 1950s and early 1960s. He grew up in the midst of the Lebanese civil war, which was then known as the Lebanese Civil War, and was one of the bloodiest civil wars in the history of the Middle East at the time.
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thank you so much for joining us Dr. Gadsad a man who needs no introduction obviously everybody
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already knows you I'm the popular one today for bringing you on to my podcast everybody's like
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oh my god I'm so happy for you they don't realize that we're old chums that we're old friends
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I we are old friends and it was so good to finally meet you in person how long has it been now maybe
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two years ago you came to Montreal yes that's right it has been gosh it's been that long already
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but that was so great for you to make some time to come meet with me and to have that
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lovely cappuccino together that's right I was there yesterday you you were missed I was at exactly the
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same cafe that you and I went to just like yesterday afternoon that's a great cafe um so yeah
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and even before that I came on to the sad truth you're one of the very first people to invite me
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on actually onto their platform and to give me a voice so I'm always going to be forever grateful
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for that my pleasure um yeah and we you know we have an understanding you and I because you grew up
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in Lebanon of course till you're about 10 years old or so which I'm going to ask you about that in a bit
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more detail um and then of course with my family being from Egypt and you know well I lived in Egypt
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for a few years and my dad being Palestinian we you know it's all a sham right like it's all we're we're
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very familiar with that part of the world um and we have that connection and then of course we're both
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Canadian as well so both our backgrounds and our current grounds are are very similar but tell us
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about growing up in Lebanon what was that like I've heard a few stories before and I'd love for you to
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share some with us here today sure well first thank you so much for having me on it's a real pleasure to
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be with you and to everybody else out there thanks for joining us um I was born in Lebanon we were part
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of the last remaining very small community of Jews not Druze Jews J-E-W-S uh who who were in my in Lebanon
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uh some of my ancestors my immediate ancestors come also from Syria they're Syrian Jews but my parents
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and my family my siblings were all Lebanese and probably at the time that the civil war broke out
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in 1975 when as you said I was 10 there were well less than a thousand Jews that had remained most of
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my extended family had already sort of read the the writing on the proverbial wall and left Lebanon
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earlier prior to the civil war but we had remained we were really well entrenched within Lebanese society
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and then the the civil war broke out in uh 1975 and as many of you may or may not know uh you know
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all butchery in wars is in a sense measured against the backdrop of the Lebanese civil war because it
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it was a civil war involving many factors but certainly a religious element uh it became very very difficult
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to be Jewish in Lebanon I mean death awaited you in every corner of you know every minute of the day
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miraculously we were able to escape we actually escaped through uh having PLO militiamen pick us up
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at the at our house and then drive us to the uh Beirut International Airport and the reason why we had to get
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PLO militia at the time is because the area surrounding the Beirut International Airport
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was uh controlled by PLO militia so there was no way that you were going to get through the
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the roadblocks the barricades if they weren't sympathetic to your cause so
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I always like to remind people that you know we escaped Muslims who wanted to kill us but we were also
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saved by other Muslims who saved us so this is why I never you know talk about individual Muslims
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I sure need to have to say this but it's important to remind people there are nice and evil people of
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of all faiths and no faiths so then we left Montreal we left Beirut in 1975 I had turned already 11
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a couple of weeks prior to us leaving we moved to Montreal but then my parents kept returning
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to Lebanon ill-advisedly so because they still had some business interests they would leave Montreal
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go back straight into the Beirut civil war and on one of those return trips uh in 1980 they were
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kidnapped by Fatah which is another Palestinian group and some really bad things were uh you know done to
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them but luckily we were I say we but I had nothing to do with it at that point I was like 15 years
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15 years old but my family and through their through our parents's connections we were able to
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get them out uh and so since 1980 uh no one in my family has returned even though you know as as I
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became a you know a you know a public figure uh I would get invited many times back to Lebanon even
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you know in at the level of prime ministers and so on but I've never felt safe to go back even though
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I was guaranteed oh there'd be security and so on you know a a car bomb doesn't care if there's
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security around you so I wish I could go back because I probably the main thing that I regret
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most so far as a parent is that our children don't speak Arabic so Arabic is my mother tongue they
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don't speak Hebrew uh and so despite all this incredible richness that we have in the family
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my wife also speaks Armenian they only speak French and English and I I've always dreamt of being able
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to you know going back to American University of Beirut and doing a one or two year visiting
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professorship immersing my children in Arabic and suddenly they become you know flawless Arabic
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speakers so all this to say uh it's a tragic part of my past I wish I could return but such is the
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reality of life my gosh well Lebanon is still quite a mess so it's you know it's not like there's been
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an opportunity for you to to take your kids there and have that you know American University of Beirut
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dream come true um but I want to ask you specifically like just drill down a little bit more about what you
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were saying about the difficulties of being a Jewish family in in Lebanon can you talk to us a little
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bit more about that oh sure thanks for asking so it's important for people to contextualize what it
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means to be Jewish in the Middle East and more specifically in the context of progressive modern
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Lebanon and I say that with with that inflection in my voice because it's progressive and tolerant
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against the backdrop of the Middle East right so you're tolerated as long as you don't wear your star
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of David too too largely you're tolerated as long as you don't make too much noise and of course we
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reserve the right to not tolerate you whenever we decide you're no longer tolerable and so growing up in
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Lebanon I and I talk about some of these stories although of course I've got many more that I
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didn't mention in the book in the parasitic mind and in chapter one of the book I talk about some of
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the uh realities that I faced as a child growing up in Lebanon so I'll share a few with you here and
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the first one I'm going to share might resonate with you if only because you have a Egyptian background
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so Gamal Abdel Nasser was a pan-Arabist trying to unify all of the Arab states and uh he was the
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Egyptian president and he was loved you know he was a charismatic guy he you know he wasn't certainly
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very religiously motivated but he was unifying all of the Arab nations so there was this great love and
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fervor for him when he passed away in 1970 at the time I was five not quite six years old I remember
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there was a you know oftentimes in the Middle East you have these street protests where there is this
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incredible fervor actually the word Hamas means zeal fervor right so there's a lot of energy and so
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people are you know lamenting and kind of hitting themselves because he passed away but this is in
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Beirut Lebanon this is not in Egypt and as people were proceeding down my street I kept hearing you know
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death to Jews death to Jews and so I was in the balcony and I was confused and I kind of turned to
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my mother and she says you know just keep your head down uh because I said well why are they screaming
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death to Jews what you know what do we have to do with this but that's the reflex right I mean some
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calamity happens in the Middle East first instinctual reflex is you know death to Jews it's probably maybe
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the Jews who killed him who put something in his in his water second uh I'll mention two more stories
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and if you want more I'll share more uh second story is uh I was about maybe nine years old so this is
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probably about a year before the civil war started and we were in class and uh the teacher asked the class
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to you know for each person to stand up and tell us what they wish to be when they grow up so one
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person gets up I want to be a soccer player I want to be a doctor I want to be a policeman I want to be a
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soldier and one kid gets up and says when I grow up I want to be a Jew killer to rapturous laugh and
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you know screaming and clapping and so on now this that kid knew that I was Jewish but it was totally
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normal to say things like that third story uh my brother uh one of my brothers I have two two
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brothers and a sister all of whom are much older than me uh my brother who's 10 years older than me
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was a champion of in judo Lebanese champion national champion for several years in a row and so as you
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might imagine it it didn't look good for a Jew to constantly win in these competitive
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things it's making the rest of us non-Jewish people look bad and so he was visited by some men
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who explained to him that it was time for him to retire because otherwise you know maybe an
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unfortunate accident can happen to him and so then he didn't he didn't want to quit his career so he then
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left to France to pursue his judo career this is before the civil war uh now the incredible story
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the conclusion to that story is that in 1976 the Montreal Olympics happened it just so happened that
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they were in Montreal and so the guy who left to Paris I think he left in 73 who left Lebanon because
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it wasn't good for Jews to consistently win this combat sport is then asked to represent Lebanon
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in the Montreal Olympics which he did so the the guy who was no longer allowed to be a judo champion
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in Lebanon we could now forgive the fact that you are you know you suffer from the terminal
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disease of being Jewish when it comes to having you hold the Lebanese flag and that that happened in 1976
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so that gives you a bit of a flavor of what it was to grow up in tolerant progressive Paris of the
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Middle East Lebanon you always had to know your place now in terms of the actual war some of the
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dangers that you faced everybody faced right I mean if you go out there are snipers everywhere they're
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going to blow your brain whether you're Christian Muslim or I mean depending on the area you're in
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the the bombs and the indiscriminate killing can happen to anyone but there were specific dangers
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that were unique to being Jewish because in what happens in Lebanon is you you carry an internal ID
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which in Arabic is called Hawi it's like a passport but it's an internal so if the cop stops you and says
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show me your papers you show them this paper well the the ID card in Lebanon the most conspicuous part
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of the ID card is your religion and the Jews weren't even called even though we're Lebanese right we're
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we're Arabic right it wasn't even written in Arabic Yahudi which means you know Jewish it was written
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Israeli which means Israelite so so then there's even more animus because you're you're not really
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Lebanese you're Israelite right even though we had nothing to do with Israel and so why is that
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important because one of the ways that people got killed in in the thousands early in the civil war
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is that if you were driving anywhere and there was a random roadblock that was set up by some
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militia group and there were many militia groups right different Islamic groups there were some
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Christian groups and so on well if they asked for those papers and you had Israeli there weren't many
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roadblocks that you were going to get out of without a bullet to your head so we really couldn't I mean
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it was very dangerous to just go and pick up bread because you don't want somebody to ask for your ID
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papers and so hopefully that gives you a bit of the the timber of my existence in Lebanon wow yeah that's a
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lot that's a lot I mean I I I'd heard your story before about you being a child in school and and that boy
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saying I want to kill Jews and you know your father yourself and I'm a mother and just knowing like just
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to have a kid have to hear this amongst their classmates or to hear as a child
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what was it curse the Jews kill the Jews you know how did your mother respond to you when you said
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mom what's going on you know because that's a really difficult yeah it you know it you really
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you knew that you were different you knew that you there was a secret about you now it it wasn't so
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secretive in that no one in Lebanon knew we were Jewish of course people knew all they had to do was
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go to the synagogue on Saturday morning and then they would know you're Jewish so it's but you had to
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know your place right which by the way this might interest some people that's exactly the the psychology of
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someone who's a dimmi right a dimmi is someone who lives in Islamic lands who is part of the people
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of the book typically Christians or Jews who might be protected and tolerated but know your place now
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depending on the historical context your dimmi status could be really brutal or it could be that
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just know your place you know when when you've won too many consecutive Lebanese judo championships well
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it's enough already okay so so my what my mother always taught me is that you know be just be
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careful don't you know know that we're Jewish don't be too Jewish but now I'm glad you asked me that
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question because there's another story that I would have forgotten to mention to our audience today which
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I do discuss in the parasitic mine the day that we left Lebanon and actually took the flight out so we
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we went from Beirut we actually landed in Copenhagen for a night night stop so we slept in Copenhagen and
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then we made our way from Copenhagen to Montreal when we first moved to Montreal well as we cleared the
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airspace of Lebanon the captain the pilot said that we had just cleared the Lebanese airspace and so my
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mother takes out a a pendulant with a star of David David right and she puts it around my neck and she
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says now you could wear it proudly and not hide your identity so that already is I think a rather uh you
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know a powerful story but let me close the circle on the on the star of David a few months ago in I think
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it was a few weeks after the October 7th uh situation my wife and son so my son had just played a soccer
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match in the east end of the city and they were coming back and she had texted me saying hey do you want
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me to pick you up I was I was working on my laptop at a cafe at another cafe not too far from the one
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that you and I went to and so as they picked me up and we entered the car my son said hey daddy if you
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would have come uh to watch me play soccer where I was playing today and you were wearing a star of David
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you'd be dead this was in Montreal Canada in 2023 so in 1975 I leave Lebanon and a star of David is put
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around me 45 plus years later I better take off that star of David in Montreal Canada that doesn't bode too
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well no it absolutely does not and that actually is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you
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today because you're somebody obviously from everything that you've just told us now you're
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somebody with first-hand knowledge of this you know you've written books you know talking the parasitic
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mind being one of them you have the the sad truth where you're speaking about these issues not just these
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issues but so many other issues of where people's minds are just you know possessed with with different
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absurdities um and now after October 7th you're seeing that things have escalated so dangerously
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in Canada obviously you know the U.S. and the West in general but Canada specifically Montreal where you
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live is probably one of the the worst cities in our country for how things just it's like a
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it's like the Kindle was all sitting there and then on October 7th it just lit you know and
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everything was just ready to go and for a lot of people I'm sure they they probably got whiplash they
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probably just were just shocked um but you're somebody who has been talking about this for years you've
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been talking about the dangers of capitulating to extremism and I this is probably a really difficult
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question to ask you but how frustrating does it feel right now because I'm sure you don't feel like
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vindicated like I'm sure it must what how are you feeling how are you feeling now seeing that your
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your voice has been falling on deaf ears all these years and now things have come to this grotesque fruition
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that maybe is even beyond what you what you would have imagined yeah thank you for that question uh
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uh it's I think I don't know if you mentioned in your question the word frustration but that's
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exactly what it is it's a form of you know deep existential frustration because the reality is as
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you said exactly to your point it's not as though I'm sitting and going gleefully hey look I was right
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please pat me on my back I'm right it's I'm like god damn it I wish people would have listened because
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I mean the the best way to describe it is you know god forbid is uh the cancer analogy right I mean
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you you can capture cancer very early and you've got a 96 percent uh cure rate you can catch it a bit
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later that percentage goes down or you can ignore all the signals and it's good luck to you in the
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afterlife you're gone that's exactly what's happening to the west and I I put out a tweet not the one I know
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that there's a tweet that you recently sent me privately that that had touched you a lot but
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there's an earlier tweet about a couple of weeks after october 7th where I I shared really kind of a
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a somber outlook of how I thought the west would end up being and I mean it's something that I've
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mentioned in the past but it was really a very powerful tweet that I think got I don't know how
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many 15 20 million views and a lot of people were kind of awakened by that tweet because they always
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associate me even when I'm dealing with very difficult subjects with being someone super
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optimistic I'm a fighter I'm a I'm the happy warrior and yet here I seem right and I seem like
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I think it's all over pack it up and the reason again to to draw on the cancer analogy imagine if your
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physician tells you you have cancer and you say well as a matter of fact there is no such thing as cancer
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you're you're wrong you're spreading conspiracies but if there is cancer it's the Jews who are causing
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cancer and it's the Jews who are holding the uh the cure to cancer and therefore the way I'm going to
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react to you telling me I have cancer is I'm going to inhale asbestos smoke six packs of cigarettes a day
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and you know inject other carcinogens into my veins because I don't believe that there is cancer but if
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there is cancer it's the Jews that's exactly what the west is doing if at least you would think that
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there is a sense of epistemic humility in the west whereby they're saying oh I think we now recognize
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that there is a problem it may be too late to fix it but at least we you know the old proverbial
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first step is recognize that you have a problem then maybe we have a fighting chance if what your response
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is let's double down on everything we're doing and hopefully the problem that surely doesn't exist
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will go away well then how can how can we fight so yes I definitely feel a a sense of dejection I'm
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not going to say defeat because then there's no there'd be no point in us having this conversation
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there'd be no point in us waking up there'd be no point in me writing the books so I still think that
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we do have a fighting chance but the the likelihood of this being resolved without unbelievable violence
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down the line is reducing by the day and it's not hyperbole you know it's as clear as dropping a ball
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and having gravity react to the ball we if I drop a ball a hundred times the same things will happen
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the ball will fall to the ground because there's this thing called gravity people will wake up and
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people will decide that they've had enough and when they do that it won't be through talking and dialogue
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it will be through violence and what a shame because the west had this anomaly in in in throughout our
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history which is for a bleep in human history the west had had created something that nowhere else
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had you found freedom of speech freedom of conscience individual dignity all of the things that made the west
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great we decided that we're going to give them away because of these parasitic ideas of empathy and so
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on it's tragic it's horrible now I haven't read your latest book yet the sad truth about happiness but I
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remember when we were chatting about it a couple years ago um it was it was going to be an optimistic you
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are generally a very optimistic person as you know even when things are as dark as they are you're tweeting
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jokes you're making it's sarcastic it's biting it's very you know they're sharp criticisms but they're
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always you know wrapped in this sort of tongue-in-cheek um you know sarcastic manner so it kind of lessens
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the blow of whatever's going on um it is really I do remember those days when it was very clear that you
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were feeling just despondent and there's no surprise I mean I wasn't it's no surprise at all like I
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mentioned you're in one of the worst places in Canada you're watching history repeat itself I had
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friends from New York from all over Europe from all over Canada from all over the world writing to me
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telling me the exact same thing you know it was I remember even around Hanukkah some friends were saying
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like maybe we're just not going to put out any celebration you know anything this year like
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we're not we're going to make sure that we're not so visibly Jewish very similar to the way you had to
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be in Lebanon um and it is incredibly heartbreaking to see this happen in really such a short amount of
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time you know I was just in Israel and I was visiting Holocaust memorial you know Yad Vashem in Jerusalem
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and I'm planning on going to the March of the Living um visiting Auschwitz and it's just so similar when you
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watch the slow you know the just it starts off with just conspiracy theories and you know just little
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bits of stories and then you know it just escalates bit by bit by bit by bit and then even this
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demonizing or this dehumanization that's in a joking manner like when you talked about your
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that I'm not gonna call him your friend but that student in your class um and then everybody laughed
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about it like it was a joke like you know all that all that kind of stuff is just so incredibly
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dangerous and we ignored it for years and years and years and we didn't think that it was going to
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amount to anything and then here we are watching history repeat itself I am not surprised that people
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were feeling despondent and depressed and especially Jewish people were actually feeling quite afraid
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too when you have people screaming gas the Jews you know people screaming burn Tel Aviv to the ground
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asking Hamas to make us proud you know all sorts of horrible things that have you can criticize Israel
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from today till the cows come home say whatever you want about Netanyahu but these people are clearly
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clearly anti-semitic following the exact same tropes the exact same pathway as the Nazis and Hamas and all the rest
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and we're we're hearing the exact same rhetoric on the the universities um all across the United States
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today so my question to you is about the truth about happiness the sad truth about happiness what can
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what can you what sad truth about happiness do you have to share with us about this current situation right well you
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know it's funny because uh you know oftentimes when I write books I could have told you that that idea had been
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simmering in my head for years before I wrote that book so for example the parasitic mind is a result of
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me having been in academia for close to three decades so then when I came to write the book I mean it's
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basically recounting all the insanity that I've seen in nearly three decades with all of these parasitic
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ideas which start on campus but then they they become the Canadian prime minister right so but but the happiness
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book was actually one that if you would have asked me three years ago or four years ago when say the
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parasitic mind came out hey what's your next top what's what do you think your next book is going to be
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on I wouldn't have told you it was the happiness book what happened with the happiness book is that
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I saw many people writing to me and saying what you always seem to be playful and having fun even as
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you said when you're tackling difficult subjects and you're such a funny guy what what's your secret
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what's your secret to happiness so that was one and then second I noticed that oftentimes whenever I would
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post some advice on my social media which to me seemed rather obvious advice like assume personal
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responsibility get off the couch you can do it you know stuff that people have only been saying for
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thousands of years people would respond incredibly positively to that number one because they trust me
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number two you know because I've got the right credentials and so on and so I thought well wait a minute if
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people seem to have such a longing for hey what's your secret to happiness and how you live life
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maybe I can have the actual audacity of trying to take a shot at writing such a book the reason why I say
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audacity is because of all possible topics that philosophers have written about through
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millennia the the topic that's most been covered is how to live the good life and so I was very worried
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about whether I could write a book that was that offered something unique and so I think the way that
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I was able to do that is that I took some ancient wisdoms about the good life you know here comes
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Epictetus here comes Aristotle here comes Seneca here comes Marcus Aurelius all these are all guys
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that have written extensively about the good life I then back it up with the latest contemporary science
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and neuroscience and happiness psychology and positive psychology and behavioral sciences coupled
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with my own personal trajectory of happiness which is unique to me it's my life and then put together
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hopefully you get a good book uh regrettably though so far I mean it's I mean it's done it's done well
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in that you know compared to the average book that is published it's done well but it actually did not
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do nearly as well so far although the the paperback is coming out on May 14th it hasn't done nearly as well
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as parasitic mind and I don't know the exact reason for that one reason could be that people associate me a lot
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more with someone who's trying to uh you know fight all of these bad ideas so once I wrote about
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happiness maybe it didn't but but the reality is I am a very happy person there are some really good
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insights and if you'd like I can share a few of them with you about how well yeah I think that's a good
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idea because people could really use that insight right now so in one of the early chapters I talk about
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the two decisions that are most likely to impart the greatest amount of happiness or misery depending
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on whether you make a good decision or not and uh now what I'm the decision I'm going to say you might
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say well yeah no kidding duh but again I back it up with with real uh psychological and scientific
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insights so number one that the person that you choose to spend your life with your spouse choice is
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is fundamentally important because if I wake up every morning and the person next to me is one
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that I either go yes I can't believe I'm waking up next to this person or you go oh god damn I'm waking
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up next to this person uh that's already going to determine my existential trajectory now if I return to
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that person at night after working and I have either one or the other of course that's going to affect my
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happiness and then in between I'm going off to to work and if I'm if I'm at a place of work that
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brings me great purpose and meaning uh then I I've won the happiness lottery so then the question becomes
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the devil is in the details how can you ensure that you choose the right spouse and the right job
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and here I explained very early in the book unlike the typical self-help book that says here are the eight
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eight prescriptions to do this and the seven and I guarantee you success I basically I'm a lot more
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you know uh humble in my sales pitch I say look life is about navigating statistical minefields
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and all I can do is offer you prescriptions that increase the odds of you finding happiness right I
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can't guarantee it right because again each trajectory will result in a different outcome so
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I'll I'll give a few prescriptions about choosing the right job and choosing the right spouse so in
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evolutionary psychology there are two opposing maxims when it comes to mate choice either birds of a
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feather flock together or opposites attract and your audience may or may not be surprised to know that
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if you're looking for maximizing your chances of long-term success of a marriage then it's overwhelmingly
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the case that birds of a feather flock together the question becomes flocking on which feathers is it
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that we have to have the same eye color or the same haircut and of course it's not it's we really have to
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have fundamentally shared foundational values same belief systems same at right those are really important
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if I am a dogged you know orthodox jewish practitioner and you are a caustic atheist well yes maybe love
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conquers all but you're certainly putting the statistical odds against your marriage working
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so birds of a feather truly do flock together opposites attract works well for a short-term you know
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dalliance behind the bushes I may be sexually restrained you may be sexually uh outgoing that
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complementarity might lead to a nice get-together but for long-term union birds of a feather flock together
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when it comes to finding the optimal job so I argue that there are two things that you can do that can again augment
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your chances number one if all other things equal if you can find a job that allows you to instantiate your creative
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impulse now that could mean many things a chef creates an architect creates a podcaster creates a stand-up comic
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creates a professor and author creates all of these folks are in completely different domains but what's
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happening is until they came along the bridge didn't exist the stand-up comedy routine didn't exist the book
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didn't exist the the plate of culinary art didn't exist and so there is something unique in terms of
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finding purpose and meaning when you create something out of nothing right so I always think to myself
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you know I I say you know I'm I'm gonna open my laptop now and I'm going to open my word document and
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right now there isn't a single letter that I've written in my next book and then one day after 12 14 16
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months of very hard work I will hit the send button and I will send it off to the publisher and then a year
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later people will send me selfies of them sitting at a beach in Dubai reading that book that has nothing
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to do with money that I make off the sale of that book the feeling of satisfaction that I get the sense
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of purpose and meaning I get of someone who's sitting in Dubai at the beach could have chosen 9 000 other
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things to do that day and yet somehow my book one my god that's that's an incredible privilege so number
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one all other things equal if you can find a job that allows you to create you're well on your way
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to being occupationally happy the second one is I call it uh temporal freedom so I work very very long
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days I I work very very hard but I feel as though I'm never working because I really am an intellectual
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entrepreneur short of having to be teaching a course at a particular time on a particular day or having
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a departmental meeting I'm just a vagabond I'm off to some cafe now to work for three hours on this next
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paper I'm working on then I'm having a great chat with Yasmin on her show then I'm going to go off and
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start thinking about some of the structure for my next book and by having that temporal freedom
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I feel very fulfilled now compare that to say someone who works in the factory line where they
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don't even have the dignity to choose when they can take a bathroom break it's union mandated at 10 15
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you get a five minute bathroom break and at 12 you so if possible if you can hit those two marks
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you're going to be happy and if you want me to give you other prescriptions I can go ahead but I'll
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see the floor back to you I just thought it was really interesting the the one that you started
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with and then you know both of them because they really lead to each other because if you didn't have
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your wife to be the support for you then you wouldn't be able to have this freedom that you're speaking of
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so 100 chose the right bird of the right feather or she did hopefully both and that allowed you to
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have yeah so that so that's that's really beautiful that um you know that that worked out for you so
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nicely and hopefully your book will will speak to so many people and we'll we'll allow them to also
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um you know make good decisions for their future happiness um I'm gonna ask Ellen Abrams to unmute
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herself because she has a good question for you guys go ahead Ellen hi so again um thank you so much
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already um so enriching and and heartening um and my question is that my daughter graduated from
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McGill she's in her mid-30s now and even while she was in university she would come home sometimes
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and I would be aghast and and remarked to her uh you've drunk the kool-aid and this was about various
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things but uh you know to my um regret now I didn't pursue it further didn't enter into conversations
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with her so um her uh what I'm wondering is if you have any recommendations for parents for how to
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speak with our children she's very focused on Gaza Palestine and is not seeing the bigger picture but
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she's even having trouble really parsing that out and she's thoughtful she's intelligent um but we've
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gotten to the point where I've just said okay this is a no-go area for us we can't talk about it um so
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is there yes no I get it thank you uh so so I'm gonna give you first an optimistic answer and then
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there's a small shred of possible pessimism okay uh so we'll navigate through both possibilities so in
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chapter seven of uh the parasitic mind I have a chapter titled how to seek truth and and forgive
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me it's it's going to be a bit of a slightly longer answer but I'm going to get to a final conclusion
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in the chapter on how to seek truth I offer an epistemological tool to establish how do you know that
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something is true so if I want to demonstrate that uh for example uh toy preferences have a sex
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specificity because of biology right most social scientists think that the reason why Johnny plays
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with trucks and the reason why Linda plays with dolls is because of you know sexist gender role
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socialization from the parents okay and I want to come along and prove to you no there are actually
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clear biological and evolutionary reasons why those sex specific toy preferences exist so how am I going
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to do that how am I going to demonstrate the the veracity of my position well I'm going to build
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what I call a nomological network of cumulative evidence which is a fancy way of saying I'm going to
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amass as many distinct lines of evidence in support of my position so I won't build the whole network here
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but I'll give you enough of it so that you get a sense of how you would go about doing that
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so I might show you data from developmental psychology that shows you that children who are
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too young to be socialized already exhibit those sex specific toy preferences so already that is a
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very very I mean that's already the death nail on the on the whole story I it's a mic drop I'm done
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but I'm not going to stop there I can then show you data from across cultures that shows that
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those exact toy preferences exist in exactly that form I could also bring you data from across eras I
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could bring you data from ancient Greece and ancient Rome where children depictions on funerary monuments
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show the little boys and little girls playing with the exact same toys that little boys and little
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girls play with girls play with today I can get you data from other species I can get you data from vervet monkeys
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rhesus monkeys and chimpanzees showing you that they exhibit the same sex specific toy preferences as human
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infants do so as you can see I am drowning you in a unassailable impossible to debate against tsunami of evidence so
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so the the optimistic part of my answer so now I'm going to tie it to to your daughter and to anything that one
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is trying to argue the optimistic part is that as long as you allow me to show you the nomological network
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of cumulative evidence then I can flip you in other words as long as you come to the right I mean as long as
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you say I'm willing to have the mind vaccine administered on me then hopefully we can have a
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valuable exchange the pessimistic part hence you might see where I'm going with this is if you say
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la la la la la la I don't want to hear it right I'm not taking the mind vaccine well then it's impenetrable right
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because how can I persuade you of an opposing position if you're not willing to grant me the courtesy of at
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least laying out the evidence so if your daughter is sufficiently open to having the cumulative the
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nomological network displayed then she stands a chance if she is so dogged and dogmatic in her
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anchored position that she doesn't want the vaccine then she's a lost cause now the reason why so one of
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the things that I've learned in my long career now in public engagement is I can very quickly gauge
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whether you are in the former category or in the latter one right life is short and it involves a lot
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of trade-offs therefore I can't be wasting an hour of my time trying to build a nomological network to
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someone who's already told me I'm not buying your stuff so you'll have to decide whether your daughter
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is redeemable but there is a vaccine whether the person wishes to have it administered or not is a
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different story and in summary that's why I don't debate Muslims and that's why I don't debate by the way
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intelligent design people who say evolution is a Zionist hoax and that's why I don't debate people
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who are young earth creationists who say the earth is six thousand years because there is no amount I
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know that epistemologically we exist in universes that can never intersect I could never show you
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any evidence that would cause you to change your mind and to your point the hardcore Muslims are never
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going so there's no point in people say oh but you're a coward why don't you debate some moronic
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extremist Muslim guy because there's there's no way you're going to come around to me right I say
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it's a waste of time yeah I just want to jump in before I go and of course Ellen in defense and love of my
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daughter I cut her more slack than anyone else in the world and even though I do think you're right
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she's unreachable right now is my qualification for now
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inshallah as we say it's mixed in with my other daughter stuff and all sorts of stuff but thank you
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my pleasure Ellen you know what just keep dropping the seeds and then one day
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she might she might be ready for that uh vaccine god's talking about yeah thank you um next norm had
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a good question for you norm go ahead and unmute yourself please
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yep sorry just unmuting yeah I had two questions I think you were are you referring to the first one
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uh yes I only saw one so okay you go ahead choose whichever one you prefer yeah it's one thing to uh
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speak up when you have no loved ones living with you how do you square um bracing violent and aggressive
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ideologies like radical islamism or wokeism when you know followers of these ideologies are willing and
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actually do threaten you for speaking up uh your livelihood as well as your life yes so I'm going
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to answer this oftentimes when I answer in the way I'm about to answer it it kind of uh it's a slap of
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reality in people's faces do you know those 18 year olds who landed on the normandy beaches
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do you know that the great majority of them knew that they were going to be mowed down like
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insignificant mosquitoes yet they fought each other to say yeah yeah I'll go I want to go so in other
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words there is no war whether it be an ideological war for the soul of the west or an actual physical
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war that you can be a combatant and yet be guaranteed safety now I'm not saying this in a cavalier way that
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I don't recognize that people have real concerns about you know their livelihoods and so on but let me
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share with you what my reality is I can't go to campus without having security who's paying me for
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that who's giving me the medal of that who's erecting the statue of me for that so boo hoo who that people
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have things to worry about if you wish to have your societies be free of ideological cancers for your
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children and grandchildren there's a fight to be had now I understand that different people may
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modulate the risks that they wish to take as a function of certain realities I get that right even
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Aristotle to the to a point in my happiness book where I talk about the inverted you too little of
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something is not good too much of something is not good and typically the optimal point is some
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middle sweet spot well Aristotle said that if a soldier is too cowardly it's not good if the soldier
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is so reckless in his bravery and his uh martyrdom then he's going to die very quickly so there has to
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be some temperance in the middle so I appreciate that people face real consequences but why don't you
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tell that to the brave people in the middle east who are willing to take the risks not to lose their job
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but to lose their heads and yet they speak so no I'm not very sympathetic to people my cortisol level
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goes through the roof because of the stuff that I have to do even though I have a fun and positive and
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happy demeanor my blood pressure goes up when someone comes up to me in the street I don't know if they're
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going to be a friend or a foe so these are all costs that we have to bear and that's why in the last chapter
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of the parasitic mind I tell people don't diffuse the responsibility onto others right you can decide
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how much you want to speak and where you want to speak you simply don't have the right to say I will
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never take a millimeter of risk let Ghat Saad and Yasmin worry about it they're big boys and girls
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they'll they'll bear the brunt of the risk right it might be you simply challenge your professor
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politely in class it might be you challenge your friend at the pub who says some inane things about
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you know women too can have penises whatever it is you have to at least have the courage at some
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point to defend reality and the foundational values of the west if not you're a coward that doesn't
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deserve to live in free societies I don't mean you and I don't mean you in particular I'm speaking in
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general understood and point well taken I think my question was focused on when we have you know
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like the American sniper movie you see the terrorist holding a drill to his son's head you know it's one
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thing to put oneself at risk like I see you do is how do you square the danger that can come to your
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loved ones for speaking up because most of us have love have children and and husband or wife or
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partner so I'll flip it another way I do what I do precisely out of the love for my children right
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because my wife has often asked me you have a very busy life as a professor if you did nothing other
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than your you know your lab work and your scientific work you have a very busy life why do you need to
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why do you need to be the savior of uh you know I say well because if we didn't have young children
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and if it was only about us maybe even though it's not part of my personality but maybe I could accept
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let's just move to Sarasota and and and do paddle boarding and let someone else I've done enough for the
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world but I have young children and you have young children if you're not willing to defend them from the
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monster that's coming down the road well I'm gonna have to stand up and defend them so it's actually
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paradoxically the opposite of your position yes in the short term my children might be at risk
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because someone recognizes me with them but I'm doing what I'm doing precisely so that my children
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can live free in 20 30 50 years got it thank you yeah and if I could add to that really get what you
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were saying about like just speak up a little bit in conversation in your classrooms with your
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co-workers or whatever you know just if everybody just did their part a little bit if people were
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just a little less cowardly then we wouldn't be in this situation the reason why we're in this
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situation is because of cowardice we've got bullies right now that are bullying us and we are capitulating
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to them instead of standing up to them exactly if more of us did standing up then it would be safer for
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all of us can I link what you just said yasmin to one of the most classic and famous psychology
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studies ever conducted okay it's it's going to be a beautiful segue some of you may or may not know so
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I'm going to this explain the whole thing because I'm not going to assume that everybody knows it
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one of the most famous experiments ever conducted in the behavioral sciences is by Solomon Ash and what's
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these are called the ash conformity experiments and what Solomon Ash did is he basically said I want to
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see if I'm able to get people to conform to lies that are astronomically obvious because so so do you
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believe you're lying eyes or do you go ahead with the group right and so what he did is he developed a
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very simple and elegant experiment I usually explain this at the start of pretty much any
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course that I teach because I try to explain to my students that good science does not have to be
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convoluted as a matter of fact some of the most beautiful and elegant science you could explain it
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to a 10 year old that that's actually the measure of how powerful it is okay so basically imagine this
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I'm going to put three lines here the three lines are very different in terms of their length line
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line a is this long line b is this long line c is this long and then I'm going to put a fourth line
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called x which is the same distance which is the same length as one of the three abc and I'm going to ask
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people which of the lines abc is the same as x you follow now so let's suppose a is this big
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right and x is this small so we know for sure absolutely unless you are congenitally blind we
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know that that's the wrong answer if people say the right and the correct answer is a they're insane
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the point of the experiment is to bring in a bunch of people into the lab and then you put them in a
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line of say eight people in a row and the first seven are really confederates confederates is just
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a fancy term for they're in on the experiment they're pretending that they are participants
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but they are part of the experimental manipulation yes and so the reality is that the only real
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participant is the eighth one but unbeknownst to him or her that the other seven are fake ones so I'm
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going to start with the first one and say which of the three lines abc is the same as x and remember
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if I say a it's the unbelievably not same distance right so the first person says a the second person
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says a the third person says a so as you see that we're going down to that final person as a matter
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of fact you can go on I think it's probably available on youtube where they actually filmed the experiment
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now what do you think happens in terms of the non-verbal cues of the eighth person the real
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subject when the first person says a the the response is what the fuck right it's what are you insane
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then as we go down the real subject is looking around are you guys seeing what I'm seeing
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am I insane or are you insane and then by the time we get to the eighth one the body language
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is crushed they are crushed by the weight of conformity I've literally lectured what I just
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said maybe 40 million times as I lecture it I still get goosebumps why because that's it that's the whole
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enchilada you just explained one of the most fundamental features of human nature using an experiment
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that a seven-year-old understands now not everyone conformed but even as if a single person conformed
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if now it was a lot more than one but even if one had conformed you'd say how could the world
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have such a person exist but you could look at it it's a lie so to Yasmin's point so you could see where
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why I gave that example what happens to people is they look around the world they see what they see
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they get it the problem is no one speaks so maybe it's only me who's seeing this maybe right so the
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inaction the cowardice the tepidness of everyone creates a natural ash experiment whereby we're all quiet
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because we think that if I am the one who speaks out I must be the insane one that's why I tell
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people activate your inner honey badger again the reason why I say that the honey badger has been
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ranked as the most ferocious animal in the animal kingdom which is saying a lot there's a lot of
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ferocious animals it's the size of a small dog and yet it is so ferocious that you can have six adult
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lions be intimidated by it how could that be well it is because it's insane right it people look at it
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and or animals look at it and say I'm I'm not messing with that this is this guy's insane well when I say
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activate your inner honey badger I don't it's not a call to violence right it's not a call to physical
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violence it's a call to being ferocious and feverish in your defense of reality of common sense of human
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dignity of reason of liberty be irate be angry don't be cowardly so that's why I say activate
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your inner honey badger so you're exactly right Yasmin this problem could be resolved by next Tuesday
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if everybody rose up the problem is I know human nature and I know that they won't rise up they will
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rise up in 50 years at the cost of 20 million people dying let's hope it doesn't take that long
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and let's hope the number of casualties is not that high but I agree with your analogy of the dropping the
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ball I do think that this is going to be something that is you know unpreventable and I think a lot of it
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has to do with that experiment that you described I would guess that probably about 70 to 80 people
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conformed like the few people that stand up and say hang on a minute what do you mean men can get
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pregnant or hang on a minute what do you mean Islam is the religion of peace whatever it is that's the
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that's the the current nonsense that we're trying to convince people of and especially when you're in a
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university situation where you feel so insecure and you're there to learn and then your professors
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are sharing this stuff and telling you this stuff so you already feel that sense of like well they must
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know what they're talking about they're the ones with the doctorates I'm just a first year I'm just
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here to learn and so you end up um it's just such a successful you know institution for for
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indoctrinating whatever it is you know billions of dollars coming from Qatar or whatever their
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Marxist DEI or whatever it is it's just a perfect place for it exactly but yeah anyway thank you so
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much for that that was this is this is like really I feel like I'm in one of your classes right now
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this is great um Hannah you're next okay hi I'm just leaving my camera off because
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um an abundance of caution so um it's very cool to see your face though um I I wanted to ask
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actually about oppression and internal Jewish um dynamics basically so um my for context I'm Ashkenazi
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Holocaust offspring and all that good stuff and my partner though is Mizrahi from uh
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Muslim majority country uh like you but anyway I'm not going to say what country and uh there his
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family still lives there and it's not safe at all that's why my camera's off so um I just I don't
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want to put anyone in danger at all but anyways so um I wanted to ask you about you know there's like
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about 35,000 Jews still in the Middle East um not Israel countries and I wanted to ask about this
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big contrast in their lived experiences like the oppression that they live today and that like
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nobody cares especially well not but like Ashkenazi progressive anti-Zionist Jews who we used to call
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in tokens but now they're a growing in number uh and uh I'm just completely like I don't even know
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how to deal with my own community because because I you know I think I'm progressive I don't know like
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I I really care about stuff and I don't understand how to reconcile our worlds together like uh
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like just especially anti-Zionist Ashkenazi throwing other Jews under the bus all the time
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so I guess my question is you know we know that mainstream Jewish narratives are very Ashkenazi
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centric um and maybe can you talk about this dynamic and how it's how it's shaping things out and
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maybe all this in a relationship to like stuff about indigeneity and stuff like that sure I mean
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there are several there are several factors at play there let me begin with one that you know is
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straight out of the parasitic mind so does does anybody recognize the name Anna Epstein she became
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famous for a few seconds a couple of months ago she's the Jewish student from either Boston College or
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Boston University that was caught on camera ripping down the posters of Jewish babies right so Anna Epstein
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is so much more progressive and empathetic than all of you monstrous cretins that she has attained
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another level of enlightenment whereby despite her being Jewish she's tearing down in rejection of the
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Jewish baby posters right now why am I saying this under the parasitic framework because let me
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explain why I used the the neuro parasitological framework in in my in the book the parasitic mind
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so let's take the wood cricket the wood cricket I mean a literal cricket it despises water it doesn't
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want to do anything want to do anything with water but when its brain is parasitized by a neural parasite
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a particular hair worm the hair worm needs the wood cricket to jump into water to its hapless death
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because for it to complete its reproductive cycle it meaning the parasite it needs to happen in water
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so it alters the neuronal circuitry of the wood cricket so that it takes something that it has an innate
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fear of and then it jumps into the water to its suicide those are your Ashkenazi friends they're parasitized
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they went to Oberlin they went to Wellesley they went to Harvard they know nothing about the reality
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what they do know what they do know is suicidal empathy drum roll topic of my next book right which is
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it is the empathy module being hyperactive and misdirected right homeless people more important than
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homeowners noble MS-13 gang members coming out of the southern border more important than
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legal citizens and on and on so when the suicidal empathy model misfires hyper activates you get all
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sorts of policy problems that arise and hence this could this is likely to be the topic of my next book
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so what your Ashkenazi friends are doing is they are parasitized by various neuro parasites they don't
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have the inoculation that comes from having lived the reality of the experience of the Mizrahi Jews
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where they can say well let me let me teach you about what the reality is and so for all of those
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reasons they can't extricate themselves from the fact that unlike those really combative war-like
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Mizrahi Jews remember the the Jews from the Middle East are often referred to as the blacks of the Jews even
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even even just being Arabic when I used to play soccer we used to be called sand n-word right so so
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what happens with so there's as I said it's a complicated story but there's definitely a dynamic
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where the Ashkenazis are you know they're the Oberlin folks they're the Wellesley folks they're just
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infinitely empathetic right free free Palestine queers for Palestine they're enlightened unlike
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those other warring black Jews and so for all those reasons they they hold the position that they do
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now some of them have woken up right Bill Ackman has woken up yes but it frustrates me that it
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you don't have to be woken up personally just that's what I was going to say yeah that's what
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yeah sorry to interrupt I ruined it please I'm glad you said it because the the problem and that's
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another feature of the architecture of the human mind is that diabetes doesn't exist unless it hits
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my home there is no such thing as diabetes okay but once it hits my son type 1 diabetes oh there is
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such thing as diabetes once it hits me as type 2 diabetes there so it has to personally hit me so
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Bill Ackman and I'm not taking anything away from him we we follow each other he knows me I'm hoping
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to have a chat with him soon he's a lovely guy he's an incredibly successful guy but Bill Ackman is a
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manifestation of all those super influential wealthy liberal Jews who it took for reality to be one
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millimeter away from you for you to say oh damn but when Gad Saad was standing to an earlier question
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you asked at the top of the mountain going wake up wake up people were saying ah come on this doesn't
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affect me I go to the cool parties in Cambridge so that's the problem is that oftentimes the only way
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to get people to respond to a reality is exactly what Yasmin said once it comes to my home what do you
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mean Sharia zones there are no Sharia zones I don't see that there are no hijabs where I live oh shit look
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at that in seven years every seven out of ten women are failed but four years ago you told me that there
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is no such thing I'm exaggerating that's the that's the failure of of the capability of humans to extrapolate
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patterns right that's one of the reasons by the way why my satire is so effective and why I often
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refer to it and others do as prophetic satire why because I'm able to take a lunacy today that people
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are espousing and I just extrapolate it to its extreme boundary condition and then I satirize it there
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and I wait with my hands crossed until reality catches up to my satire let me give you a quick
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example about eight years ago I put out a clip you know with my whole woke wig and everything where I
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was introducing a new field of study called social justice mathematics because I have a mathematics
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background I used all the terminology from mathematics and I came up with all kinds of bullshit you can't use
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the term irrational numbers because that marginalizes mental illness you can't I did all that stuff and
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guess what it now exists well is it because I'm a prophet no it's because I'm able to take where we
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are in point a trace out the slippery slope and then mock it at the point b that's what happens and so
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what your Ashkenazi friends are doing is they don't see that slippery slope they're patting their backs
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in terms of how progressive they are until reality hits them hard tomorrow morning
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thank you I don't think they want to see that anyway thank you sure
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okay so Daniel is next with a question that quite a few people had sort of variations of this question
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Susanna hopefully your question will be answered in this as well um Daniel go ahead
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yes nice to meet you nice to meet you um okay uh are some of the leaders in Canada the
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politician politician leaders going to work against anti-semitism and what and if so what are they going
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to do and uh nothing they're going they're going to generate vacuous empty platitudes hate has no home
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here uh we will fight anti-semitism by combating islamophobia hence that's why I'm I'm somber because
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there is absolutely no stomach there is no uh demonstration that there are any uh
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cataclysmic leader who's going to come and quickly eradicate this stuff I only see it
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worsening and therefore so to answer your question I I don't see any serious effort none of them are
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going to grow courage and I don't know I remember hearing Trump um for the election of
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for the upcoming election telling we are going to deport all the giadi sympathizer and all that
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stuff none of them are going to have the same courage as he having not even close I mean the the
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closest I see a leader doing that and people are announced oh he's a he's a nazi is you know where I
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felt incredibly safe walking hungry I went to Hungary twice over the past few years the the most
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recent one was on the invitation of the the president of Hungary and I didn't feel any
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Jew hatred you know why because they have a closed border immigration policy so that what they what
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what Hungary is exhibiting today is how the west was 25 years ago where Jews actually felt completely
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comfortable look let me this is not necessarily a response to to Daniel but it's kind of building
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on the offshoot of what he asked on any given day I always like to use this analogy let's suppose
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you're trying to lose weight okay on any given day only three possible states of the world can happen as
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relating to your weight because of the actions you took that day your weight could go up your weight can
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stay exactly the same or your weight can go down is that true there's no other possibility right and so if
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you if you have enough days where your weight went down then you will have weight loss right and I lost a lot
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of weight over the past few years okay now let's apply that very simple principle that there are three
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possibilities for a phenomenon okay to immigration if you let in hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who
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originate from societies where they're using an extraordinary number of disparate data for example nonpartisan
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pew surveys that show that people who come from those societies are you all paying attention
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95 to 99 of cold people exhibit hatred towards the jew right now let me let me state this again
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if I said that 10 of the people from those societies exhibit this favorable attitude towards the jew that should
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stop you in your tracks 10 is a very big number but if I say it's 95 to 99 now we let in a thousand
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now we let in a hundred thousand now we let in six million is jew hatred in the host nation going to
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increase is it going to stay the same or is it going to decrease it doesn't take fancy professor dr
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gatzad to to get that for you but again just like the solomon ash experiment I don't want to see it I don't
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believe my lying eyes so now people go my god where does this jew hatred come from who where is it how
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could it be well you've let in millions of people that define their societies contra their jew hatred
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I got diabetes the jew did it my wife cheated on me the jew did it my store didn't work the jew did it
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it's sunny outside it's sunny outside it's the jew it's rainy outside it's the jew now we import 10 million
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of those people what happens now I don't need to also give the old but I know millions of muslims who are
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lovely Yasmin comes from that culture I don't have any ill will I only have love for her I know practicing
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muslims that are very good friends of mine but does islam contain tenets that are perfectly incongruent with
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western values nothing could be clearer and yet not a single leader in the west is willing to say
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what I just said which is a terribly banal and obvious statement therefore if we keep this up
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the west will die it might take 500 years it might take five years but it will die save this conversation
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I think it's also the perfect storm between those groups that you mentioned and then also of course
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the marxism that has taken over our universities and our countries um and the anti-semitism that's
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there as well and so the the two of them together have that shared shared hate that alliance exactly
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well it's it's I mean to use the medical uh analogy or terminology it's comorbidity right I mean it's bad
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if I am 60 pounds overweight it's worse if I'm 60 pounds overweight and I smoke it's worse if I'm 60
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pounds overweight I smoke and I never exercise so there is no mechanism to protect my heart or my
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blood pressure that's what you're seeing in the west exactly to your point there's a perfect confluence
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of every possible problem that has resulted in the in the problem that we're facing today
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okay if can I have another question do you think about um doing if if it's going to reach
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hell in Canada if you allow me to exaggerate um do you think about doing aliyah which means
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immigration to Israel yes uh well it's funny that you say this because when you think about this
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think about this uh like this we are actually he's trying to recruit you I think he works for
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Israeli immigration um come work at our universities we are forced to have close borders because
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the Middle East is wild as hell yes uh look uh in when we were deciding where we were well we I was 11
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years old but when we were when my parents were deciding where we were going to leave my father was
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very keen on the family moving to Israel I'm talking now in the 70s and in a sense luckily my mother won
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that argument I say luckily not out of any disrespect for Israel because of course most of my family lives
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in Israel and so on uh my extended family that is but uh in 1982 when Israel went into Lebanon to
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clean some house there had my father won that debate I would have been the first guy in the tanks moving to
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Lebanon because that would have been in my first year of military service I'm the Arabic speaking guy
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from Lebanon so in a sense the the possibility of us making aliyah has been in the in discussion in my
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family for many many years so the reason why I'm answering that question is because then the next
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issue is well I'm too old to go in the to be a commando but I do have young children now on the one hand I
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could say well sure I want them to serve and protect uh Israel but on the other hand having a
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escaped all that lunacy I'm a bit tepid to go back into the the cauldron of of hate but but I hear
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you Israel might end up being the only safe place for Jews so your your point is well taken
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can I have one what about the rest of us where do I go where's where's my Israel well it's hungry
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Sarah Sarah hears me like what about us yes go ahead no I I I hear you listen I've I've sat with
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my wife at a cafe where we look at each other and we say where to next uh it's it's very I mean
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it's clear that our long-term future not even our long-term future our our our medium-term future
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is not going to be in Montreal it's it's truly untenable uh maybe some red state in in in the
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us where at least I have the possibility of carrying a gun so that if if I have a maniac coming at me I
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can go out with dignity by the way just I'm just free free associating here one I tell the story in
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the parasitic mind of a recurring nightmare that I had for close to I mean I probably haven't had it
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in 10 years maybe but the first 25 30 years having left Lebanon I would have a consistent nightmare
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which was one of two forms the bad guys are coming to get us and my gun uh malfunctions or the bad guys
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are coming for us and I ran out of ammo and I told that story to uh uh Rob Rob O'Neill the the I mean
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literally the guy who killed bin Laden who was part of the seal seal six navy team and as I told him that
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story he goes oh many of us have that dream in the military and it's called the uh the warrior dream or
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something like that right why am I saying all this because now I feel like I'm back to being
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the 10 year old kid in Lebanon whose life depends on whether the bad guys come in or not and get me
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whereas at least to Yasmin's comment if I can be in a place where at least I have a fighting chance
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one of the things that I love about the U.S. notwithstanding all of the the blue states and
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all that is that there are more guns in the U.S. than there are people so if if if the Americans are
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going to go out they're going out fighting right whereas Canada is the singularly most castrated
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feminized society that the world has ever created when I had death threats on me and I went to the
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police and said well is there a way for me to get a gun license is there I mean they knew me they knew
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how high profile I was they knew of the threats on me they said no when they come to you call 911
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yes because when when when Muhammad comes to knife me I'll just call 911 wait a minute just hold on
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Muhammad just wait till the cops come in 12 minutes right whereas if I'm carrying hey you may kill me
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but I may kill you back so you need to go to a place where you still have the the personal dignity
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to be able to defend yourself and regrettably there are fewer and fewer places in the west where you
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just one final question I'm sorry for holding on for the rest of you I understand let's just say
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that a relative of mine is dating a Persian Jew and she told she has an uncle that's still in Iran
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and uncle Jew that's still in Iran and she only saw some family members from Iran three times in her life
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and we tried to let's just say they tried to convince them maybe to make a move here but they are scared to
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lose everything they built in Iran even though my mother also told them there is no cost for freedom
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at least here she the same Persian Jew also told me that they had they had a hard time leaving Israel
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for going back to Iran because they finally had didn't have to to walk around covering their head
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and you know be free from all that chaos like how do you convince someone to just forget all of that
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and and I don't know maybe they yeah I I get your question uh to our earlier comment about it has to
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hit you in the face before you you wake up to it right uh we only left Lebanon when it
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became impossible to be in Lebanon right I mean most of my extended family had already left they
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had read the writing on the wall and yet my parents having been well entrenched within Lebanese society
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just thought there's no reason for I'm not blaming them I'm just saying that it's it's hard when you've
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built a whole life right you have you have your business you have your life you have your network
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I mean you're Lebanese you're not Israeli right I mean yes you're Jewish but you're Lebanese
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you listen to Arabic music your cooking is Lebanese everything is Lebanese right so it's only when it
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hits you and there is really no alternative it's either I leave or die and as a matter of fact I mean
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to that point remember I mentioned earlier that even when we escaped death in Lebanon my parents kept
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returning to Lebanon right I mean it was in 1980 when they were finally kidnapped by Fatah it was one of
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their many return trips so you might say how is that rational that makes no sense you you escaped we got
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on that plane where you put the star of David on me how the hell did you ever go back that makes no
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sense well it makes sense if you understand that human nature is such that you've you've built a life
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so I don't think I have a magic recipe for you all that I can say is that it if they are truly
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entrenched within Iranian society the only time that they will wake up is when they are calling
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them to sorry to say to hang them and then suddenly they'll either wake up and say it's time to go to
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Israel or they'll bad things will happen to them that's the reality of yeah that's the story of the
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holocaust too though isn't it exactly that's exactly right exactly right it won't affect us
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we'll be able to lay low it I think it's too good here what if we go somewhere else we'll never be
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accepted I know that our neighbors are really nice and they'll protect us there are an endless number
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of reasons why it isn't currently the right time to leave until it's too late now by the way this
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reality of the miracle of having been able to escape incredibly small odds of leaving Lebanon
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when we did to link it back to the happiness book I actually use the tragedy of of my background
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to make me happy in life why because whenever I'm going through something in my daily life that causes
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me to go down on myself that uh this sucks I have pressure I can always use the pill in my internal
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dialogue and say wait a minute you're you're complaining because a lot of people want to talk
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to you on the media and you have to travel to speak about your book remember you escaped the middle east and
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suddenly that can contextualize for me whatever is pissing me off stressing me causing me anxiety
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making me feel as if life is dreary against that backdrop so I truly think that we can take these
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stories of true victimhood not manufactured bs victimhood and actually use them to our advantage
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yes they're part of our story they're part of the regrettable realities of life but boy have I used that
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to actually lead a happy enriched life because I knew I know that those PLO militia that were driving us
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to the airport could have taken us to a ditch and put a bullet in our head and that's it you're not
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speaking to me right now so against that backdrop I lead a pretty good life that's that sounds very
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similar to to me and the choices I've made as well good right um so again many many variations of this
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same question and I want to end on on this question and we're kind of going to be looking to you now as
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uh as the hope the guru it's a big question um a lot of really sad stories in the comments and
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especially sad one about a woman who's sharing a story about a Lebanese friend of hers you know
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they'd gotten pregnant together twice raised their kids together they're really good friends and then
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of course on October 7th that woman was one of the first people to you know immediately celebrate the
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the death of innocent people in Israel so they're obviously not friends anymore um many stories like
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that lots of people sharing just feeling scared feeling depressed some people are asking if they
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need to convert to Islam if that's where we're at um but I'm going to kind of collect all of those
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questions and and ask you how will the west survive what can we do now like where do you see
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a future a hopeful future is it yeah what what can be done at this point so on on the grand kind of
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one sentence uh you cannot have in your society people who ascribe to an ideology that is
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manufactured to be antithetical to every one of the foundational values of your society that could
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never coexist there isn't just part of pancreatic cancer that's okay right there is there isn't some
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optimal level of pancreatic cancer it there isn't now don't don't no I'm not saying that Muslims are
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cancer no Islam Islam is completely incompatible and inconsistent and incongruent with fundamental
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tenets of human flourishing nothing could be clearer does does that mean that there aren't
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hundreds of millions of Muslims who are incredibly lovely incredibly peaceful kind generous spiritual
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happy of course not we're talking about an ideology do these two ideologies one is called western
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liberties and freedoms enlightenment secularism do these are they consistent with Islam when as
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properly practiced there is cafeteria Islam where I just ignore the things that I don't like right
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there are endless Muslims that don't want to kill Jews but what does Islamic canons say about the Jews
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well that's incontestable so on a general level there needs to be a complete re-discussion re-evaluation
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of our current immigration policies so that's that's at the broad kind of macro level nothing could
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either worsen things or improve them more than that okay if you want to come you're from Yemen or
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Pakistan Pakistan and you want to leave those values and check them at the door then come in my brother
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let's let's build a greater fun society together if you don't want to on you know leave leave those then
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you're not welcome right so that's number one at the individual level I say to my earlier point
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there is a way to turn this around the reason why it can't be is because we are in a gargantuan
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Solomon Ash simulation it is part of the architecture of the human mind to not act the default value of
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humans is incredible cowardice that's why I say you need to add cowardice as an eighth deadly sin now it could
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be included in sloth which is or avarice which is one of the seven deadly sins but I'd like to add it as its own
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category the reason why heroic figures are heroic and then revered in history is because they are
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anomalous right they they're outliers right it's the hero that is different from all the cowards that
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had the courage to stand up so what I implore people is to somehow look within themselves and I'm
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I mean it sounds like I'm speaking harshly but I am trying to be optimistic to to Yasmin's request
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you have to find your spine and you have to find your testicles irrespective of whether you're male
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or female that's why I for example say that most academics belong to a unique biological species
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they're called invertebrate castrati they don't have a spine they don't have testicles we're both
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academics so there you go so you hashtag not all academics but you could confirm that you agree that
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most of our colleagues are spineless and castrate okay so you can't fight a war whether it be an
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ideological war or a physical war where one side is unbelievably committed in their zeal and the other
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side is committed in its self-implosion right human history is defined at all human history in every
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corner of the world is defined I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the two sentence of all history there is
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a river there is one group of folks that live on one side of the river there is another group of folks
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that live on the other side of the river each group is looking at the water supply at the other side and
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at the pretty women on the other side and is saying hmm I think I'd like to get some of that and the only
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thing that stops each of those two groups from acting out on their desire is because each of the
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two groups knows that there are men in each of those two groups that are not going to lay down dying
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in some cases we decide you know what it's worth fighting for it in other cases we size ourselves up and
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say yeah those guys across the river look pretty nasty I better keep quiet for the first time in history
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we have a violation of this river analogy or or story we have one group of folks who say we're coming
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for you and the other side says I will actually show you how to get to the bedroom where I put my
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children that's how progressive I am I will show you the exact roadmap of where we hid our women
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that's how progressive I am that those two can't work if those two stay together I can predict with
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absolute assuredness who's going to win so the now here's the optimism part not all men I say men it
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could also be women but you know what I'm speaking in the in the generic not all men in the west don't
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have testicles the problem is they may wake up too late down the road where it will require a lot
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more violence for it to solve it the issue will be addressed and I truly believe that the west will
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wake up and win but it's going to be bloody because right now those the enemy ideology is in every street
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corner at one point it was on the other side of the river so as long as the two rivers didn't we didn't
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cross you can live your life as best as you want and we live it as best as we can but once we say
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we suck we're useless we're garbage everything about us is wrong and everything about you is beautiful and
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noble the other side says boy they're idiots as a matter of fact by the way I'll maybe I'll end with
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this it's it's maybe not the optimism that you wanted but maybe it wakes you up I've spoken to a lot
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of Arabic people usually this happened before they knew who I was right because otherwise they
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wouldn't say the things that they do in some cases they're friends that actually do say it openly to me
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they say the west is a woman to be mounted I could even translate it for you in Arabic but it won't matter
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for most people right so listen to the imagery the west is a woman you mount that's the mindset right
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I explained this in a recent article that I wrote for national post I called it culture cultural
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blindness or lacking cultural theory of mind what does that mean when the west acts magnanimous
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compassionate compassionate forgiving empathetic they think that those values will be treated as
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virtuous by the other camp and that will be reciprocated you know how it's analyzed by the
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other side weak weak weak weak I'm mounting you hey get ready I hope you're ready I'm about to mount you
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you ready so that's what people don't understand that's why people like me who speak with that
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cadence with that intonation by the way on Monday I'm speaking with uh Mossab the the the son of the
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uh founder of uh Hamas when you hear him speaking to me it's like music to the ears because when he takes
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on two obnoxious students who are wearing the keffiyeh who grew up in in the u.s and who are doing free
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free Palestine he doesn't mince his words he doesn't fool around and that to them it hits them they they don't
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know how to react so that's why I always say it's immigrants who are the strongest defenders of the west
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it's Yasmin it's Ayaan Hirsi Ali it's Ghat Saad why because we've sampled the buffets of all societies
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and so we know that what's out there is not what you have in the west and so we come and say be
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careful you're you're replicating the middle east and most westerners go oh come on stop exaggerating
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stop screaming from the top of the mountain so I do think that once people do wake up we can hopefully
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okay wonderful thank you I hope so I hope lots of people listen to you your your uh sad truth read
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your books listen to this podcast hear what you're saying I you know you're preaching to the choir with
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me because I'm one of those people that's also considered an alarmist and what do you talk because
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they don't see what we see you know they don't know what we know after October 7th a lot of eyes
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were opened you know I had Israeli friends who would tell me Yasmin you're just so much you know
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you need to relax and after October 7th they called me frying in some cases one of my friends was in
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Tel Aviv on October 7th and she called me and she was saying I am so sorry like I I see what you were
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saying now it's heartbreaking you don't want them to know what you know you know what I mean like
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what you are describing in in a lot of this whole conversation is trauma you are the result of
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childhood trauma a lot of what you have done is is as a result of that you know and people who have not
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seen the kind of you know evil that humans are potential of have the potential to do the way you
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have the way I have they don't believe that it exists you know it's like you said the diabetes
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doesn't exist because I don't have it or nobody that I love has it you know it's you know everything
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you you said so many things in this conversation today that I really you know we should just make
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like an entire quote book out of it and then just give it away for free like and just hope
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that that people start to listen pay attention I don't know if there's any hope for Canada but I
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really hope that that we do have Canadians that do start to pay attention there were so many amazing
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comments for you here people talking about how your book has changed their life their lives yeah it's
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been really beautiful but you know it's just it's just too much um too many comments of love and
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appreciation um so I'll just say on behalf of everybody here thank you thank you so much for
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your time thank you so much for sharing so much of your your life story and your experiences and your
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wisdom with us and uh and yeah we're very very grateful to have you here and to have you on our side
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thank you so much thank you for the kind words and guys please get out there and speak out we can win
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this thank you so much shabbat shalom to those of you who are part of the evil juice to those who are
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not have a great weekend I wish you a restful and fun weekend cheers everybody thank you bye
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