The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Hamas vs. Israel - On Proportionality, Colonialism, Lies, & Vigorous Debates (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_600)

00:00:00.600 Hi everybody, this is Ghat Saad. Sunday evening, two days after my birthday. I had hoped very much to be away from all of the craziness on social media.

00:00:14.260 I was successful in doing it for the day of my birthday, Friday, October 13th, but since I've been sucked in to all sorts of issues.

00:00:24.600 So today I thought I would just weigh in or summarize some of the positions that I took today on social media and maybe expand on some of these.

00:00:33.980 So first I had an exchange with Michael Rechtenwald, who is very much of an anti-woke professor.

00:00:42.540 He's been on my show and I recently went on his.

00:00:45.320 And I had put up a survey where I asked people, you know, if you had to choose between living in Gaza or living in Tel Aviv, let's say, which would you prefer?

00:00:59.400 And of course what I meant by that is not today if you had to move.

00:01:03.180 I meant it as a which of the two societies and the values that are enshrined within those two societies would you prefer to be a part of?

00:01:11.500 But Michael apparently chose to ignore what the obvious gist of my question was, and he answered in a rather aggressive manner, given the fact that we know each other personally, and I consider him certainly a friend or friendly.

00:01:28.520 He said, you know, what is this sophistry, you know, the Palestinians are being eradicated in concentration camps, and it's a, you know, disproportionate force that Israel is using and so on.

00:01:42.780 And so I had responded to that, and which got me to weigh in very briefly on the issue of proportionality. 0.94

00:01:50.520 So just generally speaking, so let's suppose that someone attacks you with a, you know, a bunch of people attack you with knives or with a samurai, and you have a gun and you shoot them.

00:02:04.820 Then should people say, well, that wasn't really fair because they came at you with a machete, with a Molotov cocktail, but you attacked their Molotov cocktail making factory with tanks.

00:02:18.400 That's unfair. That's not proportional.

00:02:21.440 So that's one kind of comments that you often hear in this discussion in the current conflict in the Middle East.

00:02:29.420 You know, Israel's got air force, and they've got all kinds of heavy weaponry, and it's unfair that they would be using it to, you know, attack those who seek to exterminate them.

00:02:41.880 They should be using equal weaponry.

00:02:44.640 So that's one.

00:02:46.200 I'll leave it at that.

00:02:47.260 But then I responded to Michael's general point about proportionality.

00:02:52.620 So I wrote, I said, okay, so we keep hearing about, quote, proportionality when it comes to Israel's response.

00:02:59.340 I'll hopefully have a lot more to say about this soon.

00:03:01.400 I'm saying it now.

00:03:02.540 But for now, let me pose the following three questions. 0.99

00:03:05.100 So number one, should Israel kill and rape an exact equal amount of people within each demographic group? 0.95

00:03:10.820 So if 40 women were raped in the music festival, Israel should go to Gaza, find a similar music festival, and rape 40 women there, in which case it will be equal. 0.92

00:03:25.040 Number two, should Israel not level any buildings because Hamas did not destroy many buildings? 0.59

00:03:33.440 So one thing that you see is there's all this destruction of infrastructure in Gaza, and then people say that's so lacking in proportionality.

00:03:41.740 You're leveling all of these buildings.

00:03:43.800 That's not, Hamas didn't do that.

00:03:45.160 So should they only go in on paragliders to use the same kind of weaponry and arrive at the same number of killings or rapes or killings of babies?

00:03:55.640 And then number three, I said, more generally, what is the exact calculus by which the proportionality will be quantified?

00:04:01.840 How do we, of course, no one ever talks about proportionality for any other conflict, but Israel has to be held to a truly impossible moral standard, right? 0.85

00:04:12.320 So if they're constantly attacked, they retort or they reply in a way that results in greater losses on the other side than they are being lacking in proportionality.

00:04:26.660 And then some super fancy, you know, students look at my list, writes and says, for God's sakes, you don't even understand the concept of proportionality.

00:04:36.540 And he gives me some philosophical treaties about what proportionality means in a militaristic sense.

00:04:46.400 I have socks that are substantially more cognitively acute than the guy who is taking me on some, I don't know who he is exactly.

00:04:55.620 But the way people use proportionality colloquially is exactly how I was responding.

00:05:03.340 Why are you leveling a whole bunch of buildings?

00:05:06.040 That's disproportionate.

00:05:07.900 If you use heavier weaponry, that's disproportionate.

00:05:13.380 If you end up killing more people in your response, that's disproportionate.

00:05:22.220 That's not how war works.

00:05:24.100 That's not how people defend themselves.

00:05:27.480 Israel is trying to live in peace.

00:05:31.340 It is trying to just go about its business. 0.97

00:05:34.960 There is a group, Hamas, in its charter, it wants to eradicate Jews. 0.91

00:05:41.860 From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. 0.73

00:05:46.260 Free of what?

00:05:47.020 Free of climate extremists, free of MAGA extremists, free of what?

00:05:55.320 Free of Jews. 1.00

00:05:56.580 They've said it.

00:05:57.660 I can share with you a million different instantiations of that.

00:06:03.420 So, 1,300 people were killed in Israel.

00:06:10.080 What constitutes proportionality?

00:06:12.480 I'm happy to hear it.

00:06:13.520 Please share it.

00:06:14.500 Don't be nasty.

00:06:15.620 Don't be insulting.

00:06:16.520 Don't be threatening.

00:06:17.780 Just explain your point in a civilized manner.

00:06:22.380 What is the calculus of proportionality?

00:06:25.580 All right.

00:06:25.900 Let's move on.

00:06:27.440 Number two.

00:06:31.480 I put out a set of a list of some of the positions that have been floating around.

00:06:38.460 And by the way, this list could be much, much longer.

00:06:40.400 So, let me list it here.

00:06:41.760 Number one.

00:06:42.280 Hamas could not have done this because Islam does not permit this.

00:06:48.520 This is a position I can, as a matter of fact, there's a famous clip that's going around now,

00:06:52.060 viral, from a woman in Canada that's exactly saying this.

00:06:58.240 That can't be Hamas by definition because Hamas is an Islamic organization.

00:07:03.640 Islam forbids this.

00:07:05.000 Same thing.

00:07:05.940 ISIS is not Islamic. 0.85

00:07:08.180 Osama bin Laden is not Islamic. 0.60

00:07:09.680 The mullahs in Iran are not Islamic. 0.90

00:07:14.500 Saudi Salafists are not Islamic. 0.98

00:07:16.440 You can just go to the parasitic mind in chapter 6 and 7 where I get into all this. 0.93

00:07:21.600 So, it can't be that Hamas is Islamic because Islam would never, ever condone any violence.

00:07:30.240 There is no proof ever in 1400 years that Islam has ever engaged in violence.

00:07:34.580 Number two.

00:07:36.260 The Mossad is too sophisticated to not have known about the attacks.

00:07:40.100 They are in on it as this will allow Israel to met huge misery on residents of Gaza. 0.97

00:07:44.720 The Jews are so diabolical and so shifty, so crafty, that how could there have been such intelligence failure from the Mossad 1.00

00:07:55.080 so that these guys could come in and, you know, butcher 1300 people. 0.99

00:07:59.880 The only way that that could have happened is because they wanted this to happen so that then they could go in and now really seek revenge on the people in Gaza. 0.55

00:08:11.560 That's number two.

00:08:12.320 You see it everywhere.

00:08:13.660 I've received tons of that.

00:08:15.740 It's everywhere.

00:08:16.760 Number three.

00:08:18.020 No women were raped.

00:08:19.440 No babies were harmed.

00:08:20.440 That's, so, it's a lie.

00:08:22.980 It's a lie. 0.74

00:08:23.640 It's a Zionist lie. 0.96

00:08:24.980 There's been no decapitation.

00:08:26.560 No babies will ever be harmed.

00:08:28.040 Islam does not allow that and so on. 0.99

00:08:30.000 So, any demonstration of the brutality of what those Israeli people faced is a lie.

00:08:42.220 Number four.

00:08:43.560 Israeli victims by definition.

00:08:45.200 So, it's a lie that there were real victims.

00:08:47.820 But, if there were real victims, Israeli victims by definition cannot be innocent as they reside in the apartheid Zionist state of Israel. 0.92

00:08:57.520 So, it's not true that there was this attack.

00:09:01.020 It's not permitted in Islam.

00:09:03.580 It's not true.

00:09:04.600 It's greatly exaggerated.

00:09:07.320 If at all, if any babies were harmed.

00:09:09.720 But, if there were people who were killed, assuming that they were, then they would be legitimate targets.

00:09:15.800 Let's go on.

00:09:16.280 Number five.

00:09:18.200 What do you expect Hamas to do when their people have been in concentration camps for 75 years?

00:09:23.560 Now, remember, when you use the term concentration camp, you use it for a very specific reason in this context.

00:09:31.920 Right?

00:09:32.200 You know, Holocaust concentration camps.

00:09:34.180 Let's go on.

00:09:37.940 Number six.

00:09:38.840 Hamas was responding to Israeli aggression over the past 75 years. 0.69

00:09:42.660 So, let's assume that the attack did happen, although, of course, it didn't happen.

00:09:48.780 And, if it happened, it was much less severe than what the Zionists are telling you happened.

00:09:54.460 Then, it's perfectly legitimate.

00:09:56.660 Because, what do you expect people to do when they have been, you know, ethnically cleansed for the past 75 years? 0.72

00:10:03.880 Even though the population gets higher, and even though they are in concentration camps, where, from what we know, the obesity rate is very high.

00:10:14.480 Usually, in concentration camps, you think of people who are malnutritioned, who don't have food, who can't.

00:10:20.320 I mean, it's a concentration camp.

00:10:22.380 It's Holocaust. 0.93

00:10:23.780 But, that's the language.

00:10:24.960 You usurp the language of a historical reality that Jews faced, and you take it to argue that you are the real concentration camp victims.

00:10:37.160 Number seven.

00:10:38.620 Here go the Jews with their incessant cries of victimhood. 1.00

00:10:41.880 I've received tons of that. 0.98

00:10:43.060 It's everywhere, right?

00:10:43.900 So, when now, you know, Israelis and Jews in general are saying, are really frustrated, angry, at what happened a week ago. 0.98

00:10:56.200 Here goes the Jew crying as he stabs you.

00:11:00.260 You don't know how many of those I received. 0.97

00:11:02.220 Imagine how hard of a heart you must have to write that, right?

00:11:08.620 Remember, when I saw clips of ISIS taking a bunch of Muslim men and shooting them in the head, my calculus didn't say, oh, who cares? 0.97

00:11:21.200 They're Muslim. 0.99

00:11:22.060 I was angry.

00:11:23.360 They're human beings.

00:11:24.960 That's a real son.

00:11:26.340 That's a real father.

00:11:27.560 That's a real brother.

00:11:29.000 That's a real husband that ISIS is killing. 0.99

00:11:32.160 My moral calculus did not met out sympathy as a function of what the identity of the innocent person is.

00:11:43.300 When an innocent four-year-old Palestinian is blown up because they were, you know, within the fire, that angers me.

00:11:58.520 That frustrates me because that four-year-old didn't get a chance at life.

00:12:02.160 They have nothing to do with anything that's happening.

00:12:05.720 So I feel anger.

00:12:08.740 I place myself in the mind of those parents who could be perfectly lovely people and say, that kills.

00:12:20.040 I feel their pain.

00:12:21.520 I can imagine what they must be going through.

00:12:24.240 But imagine when someone says, well, it didn't happen.

00:12:27.480 And if it did happen, it was justified.

00:12:30.180 Maybe that's a broken moral compass.

00:12:33.500 Let's go on. 0.98

00:12:33.960 If Jews are despised across countless countries and many time periods, perhaps they are the problem. 0.98

00:12:42.060 So I received tons from both noble people and from, you know, the traditional white nationalists and neo-Nazis and so on saying, usually they give the number 109.

00:12:52.700 I don't know where that number comes.

00:12:53.880 If 109 countries have hated and kicked out the Jews, do you not think that maybe it's the Jews that are the problem? 1.00

00:13:02.380 Let's go on. 0.91

00:13:05.320 This is number nine.

00:13:06.300 Prior to 1948, Jews and Arabs lived in a beautiful state of coexistence.

00:13:11.240 Then the murdering Zionists came along. 1.00

00:13:13.840 So the general story is there was no animus towards the Jews prior to 1948.

00:13:19.520 As a matter of fact, in the last 1400 years, certainly in the Middle East, there's absolutely no proof of any animus and Jew hatred.

00:13:28.980 None.

00:13:29.220 Now, here's an issue.

00:13:32.100 The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, way before the Israeli state was created, was hooking up with his buddy Adolf Hitler. 0.69

00:13:41.540 I shared a thing from the Hoover Institution from earlier, you know, from Stanford University, where he's hooking up with Hitler to, you know, finalize the Jewish problem, you know, in Palestine, before Israel was created. 0.57

00:13:55.600 So the Grand Mufti must have had this incredible ability to foreshadow the future, and he was preempting the final solution in the Middle East of eradicating the Jews before the Israeli state came to be. 0.76

00:14:10.040 So that one would have to explain, how is it that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who was a massive genocidal Jew hater, was hooking up with Hitler to try to solve the Jewish problem before the creation of Israel?

00:14:26.860 Okay, let's go on.

00:14:30.960 Number 10, Jews are loved in the Middle East.

00:14:33.380 The Islamic world only hates the Zionists. 0.99

00:14:37.840 You hear that?

00:14:38.580 Until 1948, there is no recorded instance.

00:14:44.880 Khaybar, khaybar, ya Yahud.

00:14:48.540 Jeish Muhammad.

00:14:50.000 I'll let you finish.

00:14:50.940 Why don't you look up that battle cry?

00:14:53.000 Get back to me.

00:14:59.200 There is no proof of Jewish persecution in the Middle East prior to 1948.

00:15:03.320 Again, there's no proof.

00:15:04.960 No proof whatsoever.

00:15:05.820 The whole thing, by the way, why does it start at 1948, the historical claim?

00:15:11.340 Why is that the date where we start the clock?

00:15:14.320 Why doesn't it start thousands of years earlier when you have claimed to that land?

00:15:19.240 From thousands of years before the people who claim to be indigenous to land claim to be indigenous?

00:15:25.620 No, the clock starts when I tell you it starts.

00:15:30.080 History starts, as far as this issue is concerned, in 1948.

00:15:33.760 All right, let's go on.

00:15:34.460 Palestinian misery has nothing to do with its leadership.

00:15:38.860 So, the idea is, there's, I can't, I don't know the exact number, but it's many, many, many, many, many billions of dollars that have been given to the Palestinian cause.

00:15:50.100 Like, no other cause.

00:15:51.080 Every single country that exists today, every land, every millimeter of land has once belonged to someone else.

00:16:01.460 You know what the term for that is?

00:16:03.460 It's called history.

00:16:05.380 History is the study of the bloodshed, the river of blood that humans have imparted on one another.

00:16:13.400 So, there is no land today that you could think of anywhere that hasn't, at some point, been conquered by someone else.

00:16:20.240 I discussed this in the parasitic mine.

00:16:22.760 Now, why don't we do a forensic accounting in perpetuity for every single land grievance?

00:16:30.880 But for every other issue, other than the Palestinian issue, people move on.

00:16:36.700 There is a winner.

00:16:38.620 There is a loser in that particular struggle, and people move on.

00:16:45.060 We left Lebanon.

00:16:47.500 My home in Beirut was then stolen and occupied by Palestinians. 1.00

00:16:54.380 Okay?

00:16:54.860 I don't hold animus towards all Palestinian people because that happened. 0.92

00:16:59.380 It's a dreadful thing that happened.

00:17:01.600 It was part of my childhood.

00:17:03.440 My parents were kidnapped, but very bad things were done to them.

00:17:08.240 By a Palestinian group called Fatah, but I don't hold animus towards all Palestinians.

00:17:15.300 Why?

00:17:15.900 Because it's not a monolith.

00:17:18.860 It's whatever those people did to my parents and to me and to my family and to my home 45 plus years ago

00:17:25.560 doesn't relate to a Palestinian that I meet today.

00:17:29.800 I meet many Palestinians who are incredibly kind and loving to me and vice versa.

00:17:34.120 So, one cannot move forward if you are perpetually mired in historical grievances that only can be resolved if one group is eradicated.

00:17:46.980 That's just never going to work.

00:17:49.060 So, reasonable societies say, all right, let's move forward.

00:17:54.560 How can we move forward?

00:17:56.060 How can we reject violence?

00:17:58.120 How can we coexist together?

00:18:01.000 And as someone who has a lot of family in Israel, as someone who is very much steeped in Arabic culture,

00:18:07.760 I can tell you that I've never heard from any family member of mine that they don't wish to peacefully coexist within that region.

00:18:16.060 They recognize, look, if you look at the area surrounding Israel, it's well less than 1% of the land mass of Arabs versus what Israel is.

00:18:29.620 It's in the order of 0.5% that Israel has.

00:18:33.320 So, 99.5% of the lands are owned by Arabs.

00:18:37.200 Now, why am I saying Arabs versus Jews?

00:18:39.040 It's because the Arab world will always say, well, we are one people when it comes to this issue.

00:18:46.120 So, if I'm Algerian or Libyan or Iraqi or Kuwaiti, I stand with the Ummah, the Islamic nation, with my Palestinian brothers.

00:18:55.020 Okay, if that's the case, then there are two people fighting for an overall land.

00:18:59.780 So, you have 99.6% of the land, while there's a very, very small minority in that region that has 0.04.

00:19:07.720 I think that's the number, of the land.

00:19:09.840 Is that reasonable?

00:19:10.920 Is that okay?

00:19:12.700 I'll leave it to you to the side.

00:19:14.400 Let's go on.

00:19:18.840 Number 13.

00:19:19.780 The Zionists have been engaging in a daily ethnic genocide since 1948.

00:19:24.520 I mean, think about that.

00:19:25.560 I've spoken to people who will literally tell you that Israel is not only an apartheid state,

00:19:32.160 it's an ethno-cleansing state that is engaging in an ongoing daily genocide of Palestinians.

00:19:43.760 Alright, number 14.

00:19:46.120 The Palestinian territories are open-air concentration camps. 0.74

00:19:50.660 Now, what is meant here is that you can't freely get out of that zone.

00:19:55.480 But that happens for a very clear reason, because there are security threats.

00:20:01.160 I mean, then I live in an open prison in Canada, in that if I want to go to the United States,

00:20:08.300 I have to show papers.

00:20:10.700 Then anybody who is confronted to any borders anywhere is in an open-air prison, right?

00:20:19.380 Part of that prison comes from the wall of Egypt.

00:20:23.800 Why does Egypt put up a wall?

00:20:26.040 Because that's the brothers of the Palestinians, right?

00:20:29.360 By the way, Israel gave up the entire Sinai in order to sign a peace treaty with Egypt,

00:20:37.620 which they won in a war where they were attacked for extermination, right?

00:20:43.560 Correct?

00:20:43.740 So, the Sinai Peninsula, the Sinai Desert, would have made the Israeli landmass 50 times bigger, 0.91

00:20:54.240 if that's what Israel was all about, just expanding.

00:20:59.600 But they gave it all back, right?

00:21:03.040 Precisely because they just want the little swath and be able to coexist.

00:21:09.200 Does that imply that they never do things wrong?

00:21:12.260 Of course, it doesn't imply that.

00:21:14.560 Does that imply that there hasn't been innocent Palestinians that have been caught in the crossfire 0.59

00:21:20.000 in this never-ending feud?

00:21:22.020 Of course not.

00:21:23.300 Is it tragic whenever any innocent person is harmed in this struggle?

00:21:28.840 Absolutely.

00:21:29.960 But you have to, again, think about it.

00:21:31.940 You have one group of folks that are saying that they want to existentially exterminate the other group.

00:21:37.500 By the way, I'm wondering, what happened to the Jewish communities in Algeria, Libya, Morocco?

00:21:44.660 Well, Morocco, there's a tiny bit still. 0.97

00:21:48.000 Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen.

00:21:51.800 What happened to all those?

00:21:53.040 Where are all the Christians in those countries? 0.99

00:21:56.960 So, on my in-laws' side, they're Egyptian Jews from Alexandria.

00:22:06.100 They had to flee Alexandria.

00:22:08.540 Why?

00:22:08.840 My ancestors, some of them come from Syria.

00:22:13.260 They had to flee Syria.

00:22:16.020 Why?

00:22:17.320 They have nothing to do with Egypt, my in-laws, with Israel.

00:22:22.520 My Syrian ancestors have nothing to do with Israel.

00:22:25.660 Why did they have to flee Syria?

00:22:28.140 Why did my in-laws have to flee Egypt?

00:22:31.760 Why did we have to flee Lebanon?

00:22:35.920 Why did my wife's family, who are Lebanese-Armenian, have to flee Lebanon?

00:22:42.780 Why did my wife's ancestry flee Turkey in the genocide of 1915?

00:22:53.200 Is there any commonality to those stories that you could think of?

00:22:57.560 All right, let's go on.

00:22:58.420 Which is going to lead me to the next point.

00:23:05.840 Israel is often accused of being a colonizer.

00:23:10.180 The general argument is that Zionism is evil because it is a colonizing force.

00:23:16.040 Okay, is there a religion in that region that has engaged in the colonizing of an extraordinarily

00:23:22.120 greater number of people and territories over a profoundly longer time period?

00:23:26.960 If colonizing is evil and bad, it should be so for anyone who engages in it, no?

00:23:34.540 So let's suppose that the creation of Israel were an act of colonialism and you are anti-colonial.

00:23:43.580 So that is your deontological principle.

00:23:46.000 Colonialism is wrong. 0.99

00:23:47.760 So if we look at the map in the region, never mind other parts of the world, in that region, the much, much broader map, and you look historically at the societies that constitute countries there,

00:24:04.500 Is there a religion in the area that has engaged in breathtaking conquests of colonization?

00:24:14.020 Or were those noble?

00:24:16.740 In which case you need to explain.

00:24:18.720 Why is the Israeli, quote, Zionist colonization bad? 0.77

00:24:23.540 And why are those other forms of colonization with unbelievably greater numbers of bloodshed?

00:24:32.680 Why is that okay?

00:24:34.180 So if British colonialism is bad, then why is that colonial?

00:24:38.620 And this is not what aboutery.

00:24:40.720 This is, you are stating that there is an inherent deontological violation in the existence of the nation of Israel.

00:24:51.860 It's colonialism.

00:24:53.700 We can debate if that's true or not.

00:24:55.240 But let's concede that point.

00:24:58.080 Then how come the other forms of colonialism in that region that cover a much broader landmass, much larger number of cultures, much number of groups of people,

00:25:12.020 why is that not something that you fight against or talk about?

00:25:17.080 So that's that.

00:25:17.940 Finally, what I wanted to talk about is, and here I'm kind of torn.

00:25:22.980 I saw a ongoing debate or kind of sniping back and forth between Megyn Kelly, whom I love dearly.

00:25:33.660 She's fantastic in every possible way.

00:25:36.000 And Candace Owens, who is someone who's been on my show.

00:25:39.000 And they were fighting over something that Bill Ackman, some of you may know him.

00:25:44.640 He's a hedge fund billionaire who basically was arguing that, you know, companies should take note of all of the students who have signed on to the Harvard,

00:25:57.160 you know, the 31 associations of students that sort of were not condemning what happened with Hamas and so on.

00:26:04.740 And he's saying, hey, just make sure to not hire such students because, you know, maybe you don't want people who hold those views.

00:26:14.340 And then Megan and then Vivek Ramaswamy, who's also been on my show, maybe I'll talk about him at some future time, came out and, you know, was equivocating.

00:26:30.040 Well, you know, we don't want to be cancel culture. 0.86

00:26:32.460 And, you know, this is maybe a form, you know, people change.

00:26:35.520 And these are just kids who, you know, are navigating through these issues.

00:26:39.040 And then Candace Owens was of that opinion as well.

00:26:42.240 She said, well, look, I used to be very different in my political views and now I've grown up and changed.

00:26:48.500 So we need to afford people an opportunity to change.

00:26:51.960 Megyn Kelly did not agree with that.

00:26:54.500 She thought that if you take a position that to her struck her as very immoral and not condemning Hamas and its butchery, 0.74

00:27:01.620 then it's perfectly reasonable for a company to say, well, I don't want such an employee in my company.

00:27:06.720 And I can really, I can truly see both arguments in that, you know, people, you do want to afford people an opportunity to change.

00:27:18.140 They do grow.

00:27:19.240 But also companies have a right to say, look, if you hold certain views and values, we don't want to be associated with you.

00:27:26.960 And that's not cancel culture.

00:27:28.540 Cancel culture is saying, hey, you took a position pro this or anti that.

00:27:34.380 Well, I'm going to now go and occupationally harass you and make sure that you're fired. 1.00

00:27:38.700 I'm going to make sure that you can't speak because your position is so beyond the pale that you shouldn't ever be afforded, you know, that little thing called freedom of speech.

00:27:49.120 They're not quite the same thing.

00:27:50.280 But frankly, it's a tough issue because I can truly see how we need to allow people the opportunity to change.

00:27:59.280 But people could hold certain positions that are so execrable in their nature that you may not want to be associated with them.

00:28:07.340 So anyways, let me know what your thoughts.

00:28:09.920 Again, I weigh in on all these issues from a truly, I hope, dispassionate perspective.

00:28:17.840 Yes, of course, I do have family in Israel.

00:28:21.660 Yes, of course, I've got my personal history.

00:28:24.140 But I'm someone who has theory of mind.

00:28:25.980 I recognize that suffering is not restricted to the Israelis. 0.87

00:28:29.600 It's not restricted to the Palestinians.

00:28:33.100 Any person who's innocent and suffers, who suffers a loss that is meted on them when they're completely innocent of what's happening is a tragedy.

00:28:45.400 And so I'm able to say that.

00:28:46.600 My moral compass is such that it's not my tribal allegiance that makes me feel for the pain of another.

00:28:53.220 And so I really do come at this from as pure a perspective as one can, given how, you know, hot button issue this is.

00:29:04.040 I try to weigh in in a professorial manner, in a dispassionate manner.

00:29:08.180 I share information.

00:29:09.160 But you really should see the kind of abuse that I've been receiving.

00:29:14.280 You should see the kinds of concerns that there are over my security.

00:29:18.280 That should tell you a lot.

00:29:20.320 That security concern, those security concerns are not coming from, well, you know who they're coming from.

00:29:28.320 So there you have it.

00:29:29.080 I wish that everybody could live in peace.

00:29:31.820 I wish that we could all be talking only about science and philosophy and art and love and the beauty of aesthetics and so on.

00:29:40.820 But this is the world that we live in.

00:29:42.920 Hopefully, things will calm down.

00:29:45.540 And hopefully, within our lifespans, we can see a day where Jews and Arabs can live in peace.

00:29:56.820 Cheers, everybody.

00:29:57.720 Take care.

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - October 15, 2023

Hamas vs. Israel - On Proportionality, Colonialism, Lies, & Vigorous Debates (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_600)

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