The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Igal Hecht - ＂The Killing Roads＂ and the Horrors of October 7 (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_829)

00:00:00.000 hi everybody this is scott sad for the sad truth today i have a canadian israeli documentarian

00:00:07.580 egal hecht how are you doing i'm great god thank you so much for having me such a pleasure to meet

00:00:14.180 you no problem likewise it's a pleasure to meet you i and i hadn't planned on this but my i think

00:00:22.120 maybe three or four last guests have all been dealing with a a region that i had left long ago

00:00:30.680 but apparently it never leaves you i had douglas murray on uh earlier in the week and then yesterday

00:00:35.980 i had john spencer on who's a urban warfare uh he's a colonel uh and we spoke about you know is is the

00:00:44.580 israeli army the most moral army in the world he had some interesting insights about that and then

00:00:50.240 today i have you to discuss uh and i almost feel guilty having any sort of happy face on discussing

00:00:59.700 what is arguably uh a breathtakingly somber topic the killing roads is a documentary why don't you

00:01:06.780 start us off there how did you get involved in it how did you do it what was the process

00:01:10.340 right so the killing road is a documentary that explores what happened on routes 232 and routes

00:01:16.820 route 34 on october 7th these are the two main arteries of the gaza envelope and on those roads

00:01:25.480 250 israelis were um savagely murdered by palestinian terrorists on october 7th the way i started making

00:01:34.160 the film is initially uh when the 7th happened i knew i was going to make a film about the 7th

00:01:39.200 and i reached out to my longtime partner in israel leor cohen and we started filming a different film

00:01:44.660 with israeli director dotan nave and that film is going to come out in october and it deals with

00:01:48.720 women who survived uh the massacre of kibbutz kfar aza but um while you know exploring the 7th and

00:01:56.800 watching all the footage i started looking at a lot of footage that hamas uh filmed on the roads and the

00:02:03.220 way they savagely murdered so many israelis and then uh an article came out in arets and in the new

00:02:09.980 york times that dealt with the killing roads it basically dealt with the roads themselves and

00:02:14.800 what happened on those roads and not a lot of people not a lot of people outside of israel but

00:02:19.180 even within israel understood the level of barbarity and savagery that occurred on that day on those 0.97

00:02:25.620 roads and so that got me thinking that i really want to focus on the roads themselves and i contacted

00:02:31.120 leor and i said look i really want to make this movie we couldn't find any financing nobody wanted to

00:02:36.220 back this movie not on the canadian broadcaster or anywhere else and so it was like uh shut up or put

00:02:42.260 up and i put up my own you know money and basically traveled to israel and uh thanks to leor who's always

00:02:48.840 brilliant and our fixer in israeli not we basically had a very small tight crew and we filmed for about

00:02:55.320 a month we interviewed 23 people the entire film takes place on the roads themselves and it really

00:03:02.140 illustrates on you know um almost minute by minute what occurred on those roads so while some people

00:03:09.500 know this story and that story we really paint a broader picture of how hamas takes over the main

00:03:15.720 arteries the main junction points setups ambushes they're dressed in idf uniforms and they're just

00:03:22.240 waiting for people to come to kill in the most brutal and savage way and so that basically sums it up

00:03:30.460 that's how i began the process of making a film how i mean to be honest with you i i thought okay well

00:03:37.340 let me let me see if i can watch the documentary in in preparation of our chat and i actually didn't

00:03:45.820 because i for obvious reasons uh how do you emotionally how did you deal with being there

00:03:54.140 narrating the stories being witness to to the stories and so on uh has it left an irrevocable

00:04:01.340 i mean it must have left an irrevocable mark on you it definitely has um it's one of the hardest

00:04:07.220 films i've ever i've ever made you know i've made over 70 films in my career a lot of them deal with

00:04:13.200 genocide i've dealt with the rwandan the cambodian the yezidi genocide and that was you know sheer

00:04:18.520 barbaric savagery and the heads of isis uh and what's happened in sudan with the janja weeds

00:04:24.260 this was very personal i had family uh that was impacted i had friends who were murdered and so

00:04:31.500 it was very very emotionally hard to make and in the film there are two moments you know i'm usually

00:04:37.480 very uh detached from what i film you know you keep that barrier but there were two moments where i just

00:04:43.420 couldn't hold it basically i don't like putting myself in my films but here i felt that i that i

00:04:48.180 had to um i think the when you make a film like this you're you're really focused on the mission

00:04:55.840 itself and the mission is to show what happened on that day to to counter the denial to counter the

00:05:02.040 lies that people have put out there about the seventh you know the anti-semites or the woke

00:05:06.020 progressive left who for whatever reason has aligned themselves with psych you know psychotic

00:05:11.060 islamist radicals um but this this was different and so the actual filming wasn't as hard as the

00:05:19.120 post-production process afterwards i edited the film as well and we got our hands on 50 hours of raw

00:05:26.380 never before seen footage of what happened on the roads the after right right after you know the idf maybe

00:05:34.060 took over a junction point and killed the terrorists you see the carnage that was left you see the dead

00:05:39.360 bodies you see everything that was done and so that was probably the hardest going through 50 hours of

00:05:46.600 footage of raw material and looking for the bodies the cars of the people who we interviewed you know

00:05:53.960 the the family their the loved ones who were lost looking for that footage and we found most of it

00:05:59.240 so we could not just not just illustrate what happens through our talking heads through an interview but

00:06:05.040 really visually hone in and showcase the sheer barbarity and the savagery that hamas and other

00:06:13.160 palestinian terrorists unleashed on that day and also everyday citizens from gaza you know what people

00:06:20.060 might not be aware of is that 7 000 terrorists reached into israel on that day in a matter of three to four

00:06:28.200 hours from 129 vantage points or initially they thought it was only 3 000 but 7 000 armed terrorists

00:06:36.760 breached and started just savagely murdering people um there was one aspect that we couldn't talk about

00:06:44.240 and that's that decapitation and and the severing of limbs uh a lot of them a lot of the hamas

00:06:50.360 terrorist had machete machetes with them and they we interviewed one um again david officer

00:06:57.600 who uh the equivalent of an ambulance emergency task force in israel who you know she showed us

00:07:04.740 photos she told us she got at least six bodies that she had to identify what occurred to them that

00:07:10.100 were brought to her on the field as everything was happening that was something i just couldn't handle

00:07:16.280 put it in the movie but everything else is there you really see them going car by car it wasn't

00:07:22.340 enough to kill they had to you know make sure that they burn the bodies on the roads drag the body out

00:07:28.540 of the car burn it on the roads and how do we know this because they released that footage at least 50

00:07:34.260 percent of the footage in the film is footage from hamas it's footage from the terrorists themselves

00:07:39.160 how do you deal with the fact that i mean i i deal with this every day as i try to engage people

00:07:46.040 and change their opinions on things here you have the actual raw footage so from the perspective of an

00:07:52.460 evidentiary threshold that you're trying to reach to try to convince someone it'd be difficult to find

00:07:57.740 more compelling evidence than the evidence of the actual brutality taking place but guess what

00:08:03.860 apparently it doesn't really convince anybody because the hamas guys are really israeli guys pretending

00:08:10.380 to be hamas because it's really the jews who killed other jews in order to be able to then justify the 0.94

00:08:17.920 genocide that they're going to commit in in gaza and on and on and on i actually talk about this in my

00:08:23.840 in my forthcoming book i have a book titled suicidal empathy where i talk about you know the same people

00:08:29.660 who are perfectly happy being suicidally empathetic to every single wrong target cannot usher a

00:08:36.140 a miniscule millimeter amount of empathy towards you know those jews uh so how do you so you start

00:08:46.460 this off with the noble goal of i want to document what happened but then there's a whole swath of

00:08:53.280 people and as you said some are leftists some are islam folks some there's a whole cocktail of folks

00:09:00.380 who say yeah that just proves that it's the jews who did it because there's nothing that you're going 0.99

00:09:06.020 to show me egal that's going to prove to me that this really happened how do you deal with that

00:09:11.540 it's very hard because it's you know piss poor intellectualism right i mean you have

00:09:17.760 self-annoyed individuals who are now spokespeople about the middle east i'm not going to mention any

00:09:24.940 names but individuals who i don't know read a wikipedia page or failed their own careers

00:09:30.020 i just interacted with one of those i saw their interaction i saw their interaction and you know

00:09:36.540 i'm all for people having their say etc but when people pretend that they're experts uh forget having

00:09:43.900 not never been there you know just regurgitating basically regurgitating something they read and

00:09:49.200 they're an expert because they have a platform doesn't make you an expert kind of makes you more of

00:09:54.540 a dumbass in my opinion but moving from that how do you convince these people it's very hard i have

00:10:00.900 colleagues right i have colleagues in this field who um i've made films with who i've interacted with 0.99

00:10:08.700 over the years and they from the get-go first it started with it never happened uh there was a small

00:10:16.460 attack and israel is using this to justify attacking gaza and by the way we're talking four days in

00:10:20.980 we're not even talking you know here a year later we're talking four days in and then a month later

00:10:26.200 it was like the rapes never happened there were there's no evidence of rape and these are islam 1.00

00:10:31.040 doesn't permit violence and rape right right never i mean the yezidi women weren't raped right 0.98

00:10:36.600 true they could have been raped but isis are not real muslims uh of course of course so the 3 000 1.00

00:10:43.280 yezidi women that are still missing that's not really islam that's not really isis that's not those 0.99

00:10:48.580 radicals no no no probably the jews as well in these people's minds but it's very hard to convince

00:10:54.740 these individuals these individuals look right now in sudan there's a genocide the ginger weeds are 0.99

00:11:01.800 back killing uh south sudanese people christians among them raping them killing them where are all 0.85

00:11:09.640 the comedians that have a platform to talk about that they're nowhere inside because they don't care 0.99

00:11:14.120 because it doesn't monetize itself right so it doesn't monetize itself so it doesn't really matter

00:11:18.620 um the same applies for surya what the what the new al-qaeda regime that our government is sending

00:11:25.140 84 million dollars to did in surya three weeks ago you know killed over what 2 000 alawites

00:11:31.080 where was the outrage there isn't an outrage because again you can't monetize uh arab um muslim 0.98

00:11:37.720 radicals killing other arab muslim radicals it doesn't really monetize itself they don't really care 1.00

00:11:42.140 this their their soul fascination is with the jews so it doesn't matter if we show them the truth 0.97

00:11:48.380 so they're not really my audience i can't convince people who automatically have this anti-semitic need

00:11:55.560 to deny facts and truth uh even when it's presented to them visually not just the talking head i can't

00:12:02.980 really convince them what i hope is that people who are genuinely interested in what occurred and are

00:12:08.620 asking them well why did is why did israel going to gaza why is israel attacking gaza watch this movie

00:12:14.680 see this savage barbarity in which the uh terrorists and you know ordinary gazans um conducting themselves 0.58

00:12:22.960 on that day and unleashed and israelis and then they get some sort of an insight as to well i can't

00:12:29.120 have anybody live beside individuals who constantly on a daily basis even now 19 months after the 7th say

00:12:36.680 that they will commit october 7th over again and that's something that's completely missing from

00:12:41.580 you know the conversation hamas to this day a refuses to put down their arms would much rather 0.85

00:12:47.700 sacrifice their own people which they have constantly over this uh war but also refuse to say that they'll

00:12:55.340 never attack israel again right their their whole thing is a hudna ceasefire well there was a ceasefire 0.96

00:13:02.680 on october 6th who broke the ceasefire who sent 7 000 savages to murder and rape and burn jews 0.77

00:13:09.580 hamas did so you're asking israel to enter into a ceasefire where these terrorists who broke the

00:13:15.320 initial ceasefire were promising to break the next ceasefire how do you how do you explain the fact

00:13:21.300 uh that many of the uh peaceniks who i mean of course i've got my own explanation but i'd love to hear

00:13:28.020 yours uh the peaceniks the jewish peaceniks who you know john lennon imagined stuff let's all get along

00:13:35.220 we everybody is lovely uh have they auto-corrected and are willing to now accept that maybe it's

00:13:43.620 difficult to live side by side people who are by self-definition wishing to eradicate you inshallah 0.97

00:13:51.080 when we have a chance or or or no they still hang on to the hope that it's just a few misunderstood

00:13:57.760 maniacs who did this but otherwise my friend ahmad is a really sweet guy and i know that islam is

00:14:03.260 peaceful i think if we it depends on where we look if we look in israel the left is dead uh the left is

00:14:11.440 if the left the left makes a lot of noise the left makes a lot of noise in north america as well

00:14:17.600 so within israel organizations like peace now stayed very very quiet for about a year now again

00:14:24.900 they're sort of starting to creep up their former um i just saw an interview with their former

00:14:30.820 the lead of their organization yarif oppenheimer who's starting to talk about the two-state solution

00:14:35.820 again and this is the only solution blah blah blah even though we saw what leaving territories such as

00:14:41.200 gaza does you know they might wait 10 years but they'll attack you regardless um within israel i 0.78

00:14:47.480 think there is an awakening um there's an awakening that the oslo agreement and the the old

00:14:55.460 propaganda that was sold to israelis for 30 years was a complete and utter failure right the gaza

00:15:02.540 disengagement which i covered i was there for two months i filmed with again with my partner leor cohen

00:15:08.820 um we called the film disengaging democracy because when i came as a lefty to make that movie

00:15:15.120 i realized what was happening israelis were being lied to constantly that there won't be any rockets

00:15:19.460 that there won't be any breach etc etc and we saw it took 10 20 years but here we are we are where we

00:15:25.080 are right now i think israelis are waking up to that i think it's very hard for the individuals who

00:15:30.120 control uh the the the positions of power within the israeli uh society be it the media be it the courts

00:15:39.320 etc to to comprehend that because they still believe that you can make peace with uh with the

00:15:47.960 arab states and i believe you can make peace with the arab states arab states that are functioning

00:15:52.880 states that are not terrorist entities you know you have peace with jordan you have peace with egypt

00:15:57.820 sure it's all make-believe and given the chance at attack but it's still peace whatever it is right now

00:16:02.660 and you can make peace as the abraham accords approved with saudi arabia and other states you

00:16:09.140 can't make peace with whether it's hamas or the different shade of gray the pa that basically incite

00:16:16.520 constantly on a daily basis against you their education system their television etc etc etc it is

00:16:22.020 all built on incitement having done a film about palestinian education many years ago even then

00:16:28.100 in 2005 you know unra books and other books were filled with incitement imagine now the same unra

00:16:36.820 that our current government is sending a hundred million dollars to so you know they can funnel it

00:16:42.040 to hamas and allegedly they can funnel it to hamas and basically um you know use those funds to

00:16:48.520 terrorize jews uh and terrorize israelis and terrorize their own people all of this you can't it's very 0.89

00:16:55.660 hard to make peace with an entity whose uh entire mandate is to destroy and kill you right it's 0.97

00:17:04.120 written in their charter so israelis are waking up to it i think the seventh woke up something different

00:17:10.260 here in north america in canada more so i would say than in the u.s um more canadians are conservatives

00:17:17.740 you can tell you know the the globe and mail and the cbc back to back ran two pieces on why are canadian

00:17:24.600 jews so voting for conservatives well because for 19 months we've you know the liberals unleashed the

00:17:30.800 most catastrophic anti-semitic uh uh time in our lives right since maybe since the 1930s i i wonder

00:17:40.140 why you know when you when you call kyber kyber al-yahood in the streets of montreal and you smash

00:17:45.780 windows and you smashed and you shoot at jewish schools and you firebomb jewish schools and you 0.94

00:17:51.220 call from the river to the sea or in toronto four days uh four days after after the um after the

00:17:58.220 seventh you know they were screaming around dundas square and in mississauga that in arabic that you

00:18:03.300 should bash the zionists heads in i wonder why most most jews in in canada are going to be voting 1.00

00:18:09.600 conservatives i think jews are waking up to the reality that all of this nonsense that we were 0.98

00:18:15.420 sold works with maybe the people who came who were here before who understood how canada works right

00:18:25.000 the canadian government ushered in people from extremely radicalized countries right the liberal

00:18:32.720 government ushered them in without vetting them without actually looking at the security concerns

00:18:37.800 of what is going to happen in this country and they unleashed radical forces where this country

00:18:44.620 is going to become and and you say it all the time and obviously i follow you and you and you're

00:18:50.240 extremely 100 correct this country is going to become like the like europe like the uk like france

00:18:56.900 it's almost copy and paste what happened under corbin the same thing is happening in the liberal party

00:19:02.900 right now so yeah they haven't taken over yet these extremist leftist anti-semitic elements they

00:19:08.940 they haven't but how many people signed the the pledge to palestine 20 liberal mps right so next

00:19:16.860 election is going to be 50 to 100 and eventually you're going to have a liberal party which is very

00:19:22.120 similar to the labor party in the uk and eventually you're going to have the same marches and the same

00:19:27.780 hatred and the same public broadcaster that rationalizes and excuses it like you have in the uk like you have in

00:19:35.020 holland like you have in uh in france and we're all going to have to live with that so the seventh

00:19:41.240 unleashed all of this on canadian jewelry on north american jewelry and even those people who were like

00:19:48.200 you know i'm not that affiliated you know whatever it's we we kumbaya and the john lennon types can we

00:19:55.320 all just get along are are realizing oh wow they really don't want to get along with me they really

00:20:00.420 hate me uh i mean i i'm i don't know how optimistic you are i mean i i i thank you for saying that you

00:20:07.900 follow my work uh while i always try to put on as optimistic an outlook as i can not not not to sell

00:20:15.660 people a a wrong packet of goods but you know you need to be optimistic otherwise there's no point

00:20:21.460 getting out of bed i fear that you know it's irrevocable now it truly is because it's just a

00:20:28.620 demographic game and the reason why for several decades now i've been standing on top well before

00:20:35.560 october 7th by decades right i mean look i'll tell you a quick story that i'm not sure if i've ever

00:20:41.160 shared this uh publicly but but here it goes uh whenever i would see the increase of veiled women in 1.00

00:20:50.780 montreal it would so trigger me because i would understand what was coming downstream my daughter

00:21:00.060 who at the time was very very young probably five six seven years old whenever she would see the veiled

00:21:09.120 women she would try to divert my attention knowing that if i saw them it would probably send me off into 1.00

00:21:19.400 some tirade that i'm going to get into now of course now someone's going to write well you're such an

00:21:24.880 islamophobe it's just a sartorial thing what's the big deal well the reality is it doesn't take a fancy

00:21:32.220 professor and evolutionary behavioral scientist to connect the dots for you the problem is that people

00:21:38.060 don't have the courage of forecasting and extrapolating downstream because that's scary so it's much better

00:21:46.900 for me to sing the john lennon uh imagine song because i could go about my business today get the

00:21:53.900 tomatoes for tonight's dinner get ready for my daughter's uh graduation party because otherwise

00:21:59.920 it's very difficult to deal with reality but that reality is going to bite you eventually in the behind

00:22:05.140 whether you wish to face it or not now people are waking up but i really can't see how you can

00:22:12.180 reverse the trends in that yes it might be the case that islam is not yet the majority uh you know

00:22:19.740 religion in canada but inshallah it's only a matter of time as the taliban used to tell the american uh

00:22:26.520 soldiers you may have all the watches but we have all the time in the world and this is exactly how

00:22:34.120 islam plays right i mean i have said this a million times but i'll say it again to you here igal

00:22:38.320 for those of you who may have never heard me say that the muslim brotherhood and other islamists

00:22:42.760 have said we're going to conquer the west in three means we're going to conquer them through 0.97

00:22:46.220 the womb of our women we're going to conquer them through hijra which is immigration which is exactly 1.00

00:22:52.140 what they're doing and number three which is arguably the most insidious one is we are going to conquer

00:22:57.560 the west by using your miserable freedoms against you oh poor mahmoud khalil he's just a he's just a 0.51

00:23:04.000 graduate student who's trying to just exercise his freedom of speech why are you mean to him and you

00:23:10.080 want to deport him so do you see igal any hope of the west actually waking up and creating a 1.00

00:23:17.340 cataclysmic auto-correction or are we doomed very hard question because like you i'd like to say

00:23:24.340 that i have a hope that uh that it's possible to to combat this radicalization of north america

00:23:31.980 but the patterns and what you're seeing happening if you if you look at europe and if you look at

00:23:38.280 what's happening today we're always a generation behind i recently wrote a an article to get the

00:23:43.920 get stone institute called talking about the crisis of canadian jewelry and we're always a generation

00:23:50.120 behind we're always a generation behind the uk so if if i look into what might happen right you know

00:23:57.560 i don't have a crystal ball but if i hypothesize as to what might happen in the future i look at europe

00:24:05.360 we have the exact same policies we have the exact same um you know in set uh we in seven in seven

00:24:15.020 we give money thank you i always you know you always get stuck in a word uh in the same manner

00:24:21.880 that europe did so they want to bring in five thousand uh palestinians from gaza okay so they're

00:24:28.080 going to allocate three thousand for adults i believe and fifteen hundred is a one-time payment

00:24:32.780 for children and so if you have x amount of children you get this kind of money the same

00:24:39.520 happen in the uk through welfare etc and the thing is that you're right when we start talking in this

00:24:45.480 way people always scream this phobe and that phobe and racism etc because nobody wants to deal with

00:24:51.320 the actual reality the financial reality of it all but also the security reality of it all we didn't

00:24:57.260 have this in canada this radicalization these protests um 20 years ago 10 years ago i have covered

00:25:04.760 very a lot of protests in toronto in ottawa uh within the the the context of the israeli-palestinian

00:25:13.060 conflict everybody understood the rules you come you protest in front of the consulate you do your

00:25:19.360 little song and dance you scream whatever maybe now and again you do a march in downtown but that's it 0.97

00:25:26.120 never ever were they allowed uh to scream to kill jews to bash their heads in to you know burn jews to 0.84

00:25:37.100 to smash to the encampments etc look at the encampments the whole thing with the encampments that's a 0.92

00:25:42.740 perfect uh example as to how canada lost full control imagine and and pierce morgan said it before

00:25:49.940 and others have said it as well but again imagine if i don't know white nationalists decided to come

00:25:56.280 to mcgill or to uft set up camp and say no black students or minorities allowed here we're going to 1.00

00:26:03.020 physically stop them we're going to scare them we're going to go into the library and demand to know who 0.92

00:26:07.700 the black and minorities are etc etc would that be allowed would that be excused would our public 0.96

00:26:12.960 broadcaster try to find the rationale as to why is this happening no of course it wouldn't and it

00:26:18.760 shouldn't whether it's for jews or for muslims or for blacks or for anybody else it shouldn't this is

00:26:23.540 not canada but when it comes to jews there's context right when it comes to jews there's always

00:26:30.220 context there's always this underlined hatred where you know um this thing in gaza yeah sure

00:26:38.240 it's tied into canadian jews how you don't know what this jew on campus feels you don't know what

00:26:43.560 they're saying you don't know if they even if they're even engaged but somehow attacking the entire

00:26:49.080 jewish community is allowed and we see that this is continuously excused by the canadian government by

00:26:57.720 the federal government by the provincial government i don't even want to talk about the municipality

00:27:01.540 here in toronto and that woman who basically cried on ben maluni's show that she had to stand for two

00:27:09.000 hours in the rain while she condemned you know the third attack on a jewish school uh you know i we see

00:27:16.000 it happening on all in all levels of government and it's really frightening because if i take europe as a

00:27:22.660 test case i don't i think you're right i don't know how we go back unless we have a government

00:27:29.100 and serious people also within the muslim community as well because there are a lot of frightened people

00:27:35.380 within the muslim community they escaped they left these countries not to have all of this radicalization

00:27:42.580 come back you know come at them when they're in canada having a serious discussion what do we do

00:27:49.900 against the radicalization the islamic radicalization of canada and i say islamic radicalization

00:27:56.120 because i don't see right there are cases and they're they're adherent and they should be condemned

00:28:02.600 any attacks against muslims in canada but the the majority of attacks currently happening in this country

00:28:09.120 are against jews right we're we're 2024 over 6200 attacks if you tie in the first four months of this 0.85

00:28:18.700 of this year we're probably close to 10 000 so they're the the group that is getting attacked

00:28:25.820 the most is the jewish community the group and this is where people are going to go that's racist

00:28:31.100 but again one plus one most likely allegedly i'll start with that the group that is doing the most of

00:28:39.360 the attacking comes from radicalized the radicalized muslim community and and of course

00:28:46.320 their woke friends who have decided to embrace this radical islam even though it contradicts it 0.57

00:28:54.460 truly contradicts everything that the progressive movement stands for it contradicts women's right 1.00

00:28:59.280 it contradicts gay rights it contradicts the list goes on and on you know uh trans rights whenever i see 0.58

00:29:05.820 trans for i don't know for for for palestine i'm like are you and having done a film within uh uh

00:29:13.520 the west bank in palestinian controlled areas and in israel about uh gay palestinians living in both

00:29:19.740 societies i can tell you it contradicts those rights there are escaping you know gay palestinians are 1.00

00:29:26.680 escaping ramallah and are escaping these cities and going to tel aviv and haifa to find shelter why

00:29:32.040 because if they stay there in palestine in this country so-called country that they they keep talking

00:29:38.660 about they would be murdered and yet for whatever reason one what is the reason for the progressive

00:29:45.500 movement the left-leaning movement to join with islamists that contradict everything they believe 0.82

00:29:50.820 in well anti-semitism because they you know it's easier to hate the jews look uh i know you said 0.80

00:30:00.060 use the word radicalized a few times and maybe that's maybe you truly believe it maybe it's just you

00:30:06.160 trying to be diplomatic diplomatic as okay as i've explained on innumerable occasions there is no

00:30:13.280 such thing as radical islam there is no militant islam there is no extremist islam there is no

00:30:19.980 qualifier behind islam all islamic scholars and leaders will tell you that including erdogan

00:30:26.440 most recently including yusuf kardawi the now dead uh former sunni head from al-azhar university so

00:30:35.620 you couldn't get higher than that he certainly seems to know what islam is and he certainly

00:30:40.240 speaks arabic so we can't say you know if only he understood arabic or understood the quran or the

00:30:45.760 hadith or whatever so there is a reflex whereby because we can all point to innumerable muslims who

00:30:56.720 are nice the brain is tricked into thinking that they are practicing gentle polite islam whereas 0.97

00:31:05.520 the people who are doing the radical things are practicing radical islam there is no such thing 0.99

00:31:12.180 they just happen to be people who are nice happen to be born into a muslim heritage and choose to

00:31:19.320 ignore those parts in the exact same way that when i eat shrimps i don't eat shrimps because i practice

00:31:28.100 gentle judaism whereas there is an extremist form of judaism that actually has those kashrut laws

00:31:35.700 i just ignore the parts that i wish to participate you know to partake in so islam is islam it's codified 0.82

00:31:45.880 and it's clear many people choose to ignore tons of it and that's great but to borrow an analogy from

00:31:54.300 virology shingles exists in you and then it could be triggered depending on various possible triggering

00:32:04.800 factors some of us will have an outbreak of shingles in in our 50s and 60s some of us will avoid it

00:32:12.040 and the only thing that's different the shingles virus was in you but something had to light it

00:32:17.820 so now the analogy is the reason why you didn't have the encampments 10 years ago the reason why

00:32:25.360 the protests that you spoke of 10 years ago were different in their timber and in their in their

00:32:32.100 poison poisonous nature is because the numbers were not yet there for the noble muslim people 1.00

00:32:40.320 to be more emboldened so it's only a numbers game when there's only three of us we're peaceful but

00:32:48.340 why god why i am peaceful okay but as i as we're 300 we're become a bit less tolerant as we become

00:32:56.360 three million we're a bit more emboldened and then one day you close your eyes and open your eyes and

00:33:01.620 you say i better put on really good running shoes and run really fast because otherwise i'm dead and

00:33:07.720 it's called my childhood okay and it's called 1400 years of history so and i completely understand

00:33:14.300 your desire to to add the radical but i and i'm not i'm not lecturing this at you it's more for our

00:33:21.280 viewers there is no radical islam there is just islam care to comment on that no i look i i agree with 0.99

00:33:31.220 you there but as you said am i being diplomatic or not i'm usually i usually try to be diplomatic but

00:33:36.940 i think it it like i said before and when it comes to how things work and we have to be honest about

00:33:43.760 things again this is what happened in europe when i used to go and film in london 20 years ago

00:33:50.200 it was different but as you say they are emboldened and now it's completely different and fully fully

00:33:57.960 violent montreal is the biggest and i think i'm quoting you or paraphrasing you but you can tell

00:34:04.240 me if i'm wrong is the biggest hub of terrorism in north america or oh that's me i wrote an article

00:34:11.140 yes i know and i quoted it in one of the articles i wrote and and but it's also true because you see

00:34:18.720 what happens in montreal on a weekly basis and the reason is because there is a larger muslim 0.74

00:34:24.080 community there and so people feel emboldened to come out and to let their inner jew hater out and

00:34:32.120 and and you know scream kyber kyber and because also the police refuses to charge anybody who screams

00:34:39.640 to commit a genocide against jews in arabic the large uh audience that's there minus a few you know

00:34:47.140 kafia karens um basically understand the message and the message is going kill the jews what other 0.95

00:34:56.420 message is there when somebody screamed kyber kyber yahood just for the people who don't know this is a

00:35:01.680 a war cry that comes from the the the jewish tribes in hybar when there was this cry too and so often

00:35:10.980 in in in in those kinds of dynamics there is that cry which really literally speaks to the eradication

00:35:19.720 and extermination of jews it literally is a war cry of jewish extermination hybar hybar yeah yahood and

00:35:27.420 then i i won't say the rest because it's in arabic but uh you're exactly right right uh marie leblanc 0.81

00:35:34.240 from joliet quebec doesn't understand those dynamics because the kafia karen who's wearing the thing 0.99

00:35:41.500 as a cool accoutrement che guevira revolution doesn't get that subtlety and so it's so galling right

00:35:50.000 because as you said and you're right there are a lot of muslims who've also left those lands because

00:35:54.840 they want to put it behind not just jews and yet i'm sitting there and i'm saying i almost feel more

00:36:00.840 afraid in montreal than i did pre-civil war in lebanon how did we get here it's unbelievable

00:36:07.120 i have friends when i uh when i went and filmed the film you know the israelis were asking me about

00:36:15.180 what the hell is happening in canada you know is there terrorism there was and you know it's hard

00:36:21.280 to to explain you know it's you see this every day and what's infuriating is the fact that

00:36:29.640 the local media plays along with it it doesn't question the fact that they're smashing jewish 1.00

00:36:36.140 institutions etc sure there'll be that story where another jewish and suspected anti-semitism and some

00:36:43.060 official we must fight uh islamophobia and anti-semitism is intertwined and and you're just

00:36:51.520 like but why aren't you asking the questions as to why are canadian jews being targeted what does

00:36:56.960 being a jew have to do with israel so does that mean in terms of in terms of this conflict right

00:37:04.120 you don't know what that jew stands for you don't know anything about that person so why are you 1.00

00:37:09.200 attacking them and so and if we use that rationale right if we're okay with that rationale if if if the

00:37:16.960 canadian media and the canadian politicians and the progressives are saying it is okay to to attack

00:37:22.900 jews because of israel does that mean the jews can attack i don't know muslims and arab because of

00:37:28.760 hamas because of syria forgive me for interrupting you but uh i've actually on several occasions put up

00:37:37.060 the following uh logic uh if anything happens in gaza at the hands of the idf all jews anywhere in the 0.64

00:37:49.000 world are to blame including say a barely conscious three-day-old jewish baby on the other hand when 1.00

00:37:58.560 47 000 plus islamic terror attacks since 9 11 alone in roughly 70 countries are committed in the name of

00:38:09.620 islam not a single muslim is to blame including the perpetrators of the 47 you see how beautiful that 1.00

00:38:17.700 logic is jews are responsible for everything even if they're not responsible for anything 1.00

00:38:23.260 muslims are not responsible for anything even if they are the ones who perpetrate it it's beautiful 0.98

00:38:29.360 beautiful it's uh yeah very much so and going back to october 7th this is exactly what happened

00:38:35.040 and um you know and one of the main reasons i made the film because after the seventh happened we

00:38:43.120 the jews of the world had a five to seven days of sympathy you know we had the the shiva sympathy

00:38:49.300 maybe not even that many days you're maybe not yes i'm very i'm trying i'm trying uh and then

00:38:55.320 and then after it's like they're attacking gaza well why oh the palestine did something but it's

00:39:01.520 because of 76 years of occupation what the hell are you talking about and and all of these narratives

00:39:08.160 were constructed to to basically legitimize the barbaric attacks the savagery that palestinian 1.00

00:39:18.300 terrorists unleashed on the seventh and and again going back to the film when you see how they walked

00:39:25.700 into bomb shelters uh buses bombs bus bomb shelters along the road and they just threw grenades in and

00:39:32.760 they sprayed everybody there you know and and then they carried dead bodies and they burned bodies on 0.91

00:39:40.120 the roads and they shot up at anyone anyone who who was moving on that road and they raped women 0.94

00:39:47.960 and when you see all of that and and yet you ignore it as if it didn't happen it's infuriating

00:39:57.460 it's beyond infuriating nobody in israel and this is something this is really key this is really

00:40:02.860 important nobody in israel woke up on the seventh wanting to be in gaza wanting to attack gaza wanting

00:40:10.040 to do have to do anything with gaza 7 000 savage barbaric terrorists people of gaza woke up with one one 0.77

00:40:21.820 mission murder kill jews that was it nothing else come you know inflict as much damage as possible and 0.99

00:40:32.480 murder and kill jews and so that is why israel retaliates that is why israel went into gaza that is 0.99

00:40:40.280 why israel has to eradicate hamas because if they don't do it then this will happen again and again and 0.85

00:40:47.820 if you want examples you're right there's 70 there's 47 000 examples in the last 20 years as

00:40:55.020 recently as kashmir right two days ago yeah you know in nigeria nobody's talking about what's

00:41:00.540 happening in nigeria the fact that christians are murdered there constantly and so it's it's it's 0.97

00:41:06.600 infuriating to to to have people go you know well there's a genocide no there isn't a genocide

00:41:11.700 there's a war and war is horrible but this is a war that israel didn't want this is a war that

00:41:16.960 nobody in israel wanted and the other thing that's really always interesting and i think

00:41:22.340 douglas murray spoke about it and and so many other people yourself as well you know they talk

00:41:27.720 about the numbers of dead in gaza just as recently as as two weeks ago was reported uh in various media

00:41:35.000 that hamas dropped 3500 people from their dead list and that the majority 72 percent the majority who

00:41:42.540 have died are uh males ranging in age from 18 plus combat age basically and people are like well no

00:41:52.460 innocent civilians are dying etc etc okay i based everything on facts and i based my facts not on

00:41:59.640 israel not on the idf uh not even on douglas murray even though he's the most brilliant man in my opinion

00:42:05.940 he's absolutely brilliant you mentioned okay yeah but when he speaks about you know when he speaks

00:42:12.300 about this i base it on hamas i base it on islamic jihad i base it on going on their telegram channels

00:42:20.360 which i am a member of for many years and i download their footage and in their footage you see how they

00:42:27.700 embed themselves within the ghazan society they're dressed in plain clothes they fire from outside hospitals 0.99

00:42:35.920 they fire from ghazan's homes from ghazan's schools etc etc so when they are when there's

00:42:43.520 retaliation and they are shot at and they are killed it's an innocent civilian yeah everything if and

00:42:49.600 that's the that's the real sheer genius of hamas they don't hide what they do right they hid nothing

00:42:56.520 they filmed it all they document it all they published it all they they live streamed it and yet

00:43:03.120 no no innocent and yes people die in a war and it's horrible and no one wants people to die i don't

00:43:10.920 want people to die in ghazan i want people who belong to hamas to to meet to meet their 72 virgin 0.99

00:43:16.860 ending but i don't want anyone to die in ghazan let alone children let alone women but how else is

00:43:26.260 is israel supposed to to to react there was that um that comedian the egyptian comedian uh what's his

00:43:33.120 name awesome yusuf right so he went on channel four and he was asked how is israel supposed to

00:43:39.140 retaliate and his only answer was not like this okay but how not like this but how not like this

00:43:44.660 that's not an answer hamas embedded itself within civilian population hamas is responsible for the death

00:43:53.740 of palestinian civilians it doesn't care about palestinian civilians it certainly doesn't care 1.00

00:43:59.240 about jewish or israeli civilians it doesn't care about arab israeli civilians because it murdered them 0.97

00:44:03.900 as well it doesn't care about napoli's uh civilians because it murdered them as well on the seventh

00:44:09.420 you know it only cares about one thing destruction and death because they don't believe that life

00:44:17.840 warrants anything death is true paradise so they have their goal and their mission and their mission

00:44:24.400 is to destroy the state of israel and they will do anything to accomplish that mission including 0.95

00:44:28.740 sacrificing their own people hamas could lay down their arms today today and leave gaza be told you 0.88

00:44:36.720 know leave gaza find a safe house i don't know safe place in qatar or in turkey or wherever and that's

00:44:45.080 it war is over and obviously release all the 59 hostages that are that are still in captivity and

00:44:51.080 the war is over it's done but they won't because they don't care about their own people yeah i i think

00:44:57.440 uh i mean again yes you're right when you're you mentioned hamas uh but it in a sense it does

00:45:05.400 a disservice and i'm not critiquing you here but no you're right i don't yeah yeah hezbollah and hamas

00:45:13.740 and isis and uh the muslim brotherhood and the 75 000 other islamic groups we can point to them what

00:45:22.840 is common to them is the ideology that animates them right and that problem we can get rid of every

00:45:31.440 single person who's ever had a hamas membership card and the problem doesn't even remotely come to

00:45:40.400 being solved the problem is solved the problem is solved when the your definition as a member of a

00:45:47.220 group is rooted in your dna as requiring the eradication of another people that really that 0.60

00:45:56.500 concept must be internalized hamas is only implementing this ideology right so i i mentioned

00:46:06.660 this actually yesterday on in my show with the john spencer but it's worth mentioning it here again

00:46:11.620 when i lecture about the ethics of targeting children and advertisements when i teach a consumer

00:46:20.280 psychology course i explained that one of the frameworks that one uses in deciding when is it

00:46:27.400 ethical to target children and the answer is when the child has reached a cognitive developmental stage

00:46:34.580 that allows him to understand the persuasive intent of the advertiser because then they could erect

00:46:42.580 defenses against that persuasion right i know you're trying to sell me something and i could either listen

00:46:48.480 to it or not or counter argue against it below a certain age a child doesn't know this in which case

00:46:54.480 his mind is too malleable and too impressionable and then the argument is it's not moral to target that

00:47:01.120 child now why am i saying all this if a child comes out of the womb and from that day you're told

00:47:08.200 the definition of part of who you are and now let's fit fill in all of the jew hatred which you

00:47:16.100 documented in your film discussing the palestinian education system but it's also called my childhood in

00:47:22.740 progressive tolerant lebanon then you realize that that's the problem once you literally have

00:47:29.440 a complete shift and a rejection in these contents so take for example the idea that we had in the

00:47:37.920 salem witch hunts which was a couple hundred years ago it was perfectly reasonable when we thought that 1.00

00:47:43.960 our neighbor linda could be a witch well let's grab her throw her into the water if she swims then 1.00

00:47:50.980 that proves that she's a witch and we're going to burn her and if she doesn't swim and sinks oops i guess 1.00

00:47:57.520 we were wrong about linda she's not a witch and we organized our neighborhood dynamics around that 0.99

00:48:03.980 idea but then one day we eradicated that idea so that today we can't find any instantiations

00:48:12.140 of salem witch hunts in the civilized world that's what needs to happen with islam but regrettably 1.00

00:48:19.780 i can't see it happening because it is the final inerrant eternal word of god therefore it makes

00:48:28.340 it less susceptible to reformations and interpretations am i being too pessimistic

00:48:34.320 no i don't think you are i think i think deep down a lot of people um agree with you because we

00:48:43.600 haven't been shown uh by even the most moderate uh muslim countries that they are willing to to change 0.99

00:48:51.920 that right uh unfortunately this is the the world we currently live in and western democracies and western

00:49:03.080 societies are going to have to to make a decision do we allow radicals etc to take over

00:49:13.100 you're smiling because you use the r word well because look um as a filmmaker in canada

00:49:20.300 we are learned we we know when and how to be diplomatic i see

00:49:25.280 it's bad enough the national broadcaster wants nothing to do with me now let alone after all right

00:49:33.240 but you know which is fine i mean we just have to really make it a decision we have to have a serious

00:49:38.780 grown-up conversation we really do we just have to have a conversation about here are the facts here's

00:49:44.420 what's happening how do we deal with this because if we're not going to deal with it here going back

00:49:51.120 to what was said earlier if we're not going to be dealing with this here if we're just going to

00:49:55.300 constantly write op-eds about it and ignore stories of honor killings and ignore stories of of grooming

00:50:02.020 gangs like they did in the uk for 25 years and ignore all of the this we're just going to be in 0.96

00:50:08.380 the exact spot and it sounds very pessimistic but i'm being very you know brutally honest and true so

00:50:14.220 as somebody who has followed followed this for 20 to 25 years now through films and and other

00:50:19.600 things we're just going to be basically in the same state as europe and then it's going and then

00:50:27.900 that's going to bring to the rise of nationalism and that's going to bring to other things as well

00:50:33.960 because eventually people are just going to say what the hell is going on here and they're going

00:50:38.400 to wake up too late because we are being told and and also the scary part is uh legislation is coming

00:50:48.180 down the pipeline that is telling us well you can't say this and if you say this and if you think it

00:50:53.780 and if i find it offensive and if somebody finds it offensive you might end up in jail and now we're

00:50:59.300 already seeing that in the uk and that's the legislation that's coming down the pipeline through

00:51:05.080 let's protect everybody's uh let's protect speech against uh hatred but at the same time it could

00:51:11.880 easily be weaponized against any kind of thought and that's scary because we're not willing that's the

00:51:19.080 thing about canadians right uh you've you come from another country i come from another country

00:51:23.560 from other societies that are more blunt let's just be tachless and honest about that um canadians

00:51:30.620 don't necessarily want to deal with things head-on there's a lot of passive aggressiveness

00:51:36.020 constantly lots of passive aggressiveness but they don't necessarily want to deal with things head-on

00:51:42.040 because that is scary and i think a lot of canadians you know uh not to turn this into an election

00:51:49.440 campaign but come april 28 should really have these questions on their mind i was going to actually

00:51:54.900 ask you about this because it's happening uh this monday uh do you think uh and i understand i mean

00:52:02.240 you could give me your politics or not oh no no i'm very open on social media about this

00:52:06.860 okay so then i'll ask you directly do you think that if i mean i i posted yesterday i'm also very open

00:52:14.740 that it would be much better for poilievre to win than carney but do you feel that poilievre

00:52:21.120 notwithstanding that we probably both agree that he's a better choice and so we're i'm certainly

00:52:27.360 behind him do you think that he has the cataclysmic ability to actually affect the types of changes that

00:52:37.220 will serve as an appropriate auto-correction or is it just in the margins yes objectively he's better than

00:52:43.080 trudeau or carney but the problem is only going to be delayed so i think he does but not necessarily

00:52:51.340 through a minority government i think he needs to win a majority government to be able to change

00:52:57.400 anything and i also don't think it's going to happen right away i think people have to be realistic

00:53:02.980 you know um i think we need at least two consecutive back-to-back conservative governments

00:53:09.860 to change just like the liberals changed everything within 10 years right this whole woke craziness and

00:53:16.580 ideology that they brought into canada happened over time it didn't happen overnight small small step

00:53:23.660 baby steps and that's what we need poilievre to do when it comes to being supportive of the jewish

00:53:30.640 community he has been steadfast from the beginning you know he has and and and i think and not to turn

00:53:37.780 this into a a uh an election campaign but on a personal note i think that the liberal government

00:53:45.700 continuously lies to the jews to the jewish uh community um i think the liberal government has

00:53:51.780 shown in the eight the last 19 months what they actually think of the jewish community allowing this

00:53:58.380 surge of anti-semitism unprecedented um the fact that they have their members supporting this 0.67

00:54:04.800 excuse my language bullshit uh notion of of genocide the fact that you you know um you have a member 0.79

00:54:14.500 going to mosques calling what israel is doing a genocide then going to the oakville synagogue and 0.96

00:54:21.200 saying oh no you know obviously i'm for two states blah blah blah and then standing in front of

00:54:27.000 of the prime minister repeating his lies uh that's problematic um and overall i think the the notion

00:54:36.400 and i think jewish and and jewish members of and by the way we shouldn't just vote for because of

00:54:41.120 israel economically i also think that conservatives have much much better plan socially i also think

00:54:46.480 the conservatives have a much much better realistic plan than the liberals do but when it comes to the

00:54:52.240 jewish community i think jews really have to take a hard look in the mirror stop hiding stop uh you 0.98

00:54:57.920 know holding on to their progressive community that has shunned them that has turned its back to them

00:55:03.160 that has basically told them that they're hated and not welcomed unless they towed a line and you know

00:55:08.740 uh other anti-semitic rhetoric um they have to really look hard at themselves and and and have to

00:55:16.200 decide are they willing to usher in a golden age of anti-semitism into canada because that's what

00:55:20.880 that's what's happening under the liberal party not to mention the fact that as i said before the

00:55:26.960 liberal party is currently funding funneling uh 100 million dollars into a slush fund uh called unra 0.66

00:55:35.220 whose members uh have even the un agrees took part in the raping the murdering and butchering of jewish 0.94

00:55:43.120 children men and women on october 7th and i thought hamas was an illegal organization that no canadian can

00:55:50.440 deal with technically uh if you make want to make an argument the canadian government is dealing with

00:55:56.200 hamas they call it aid any thinking person honest person knows that anything that enters gaza

00:56:05.020 goes to hamas right any of the food why why is there a food shortage in in gaza you know that

00:56:13.100 supposedly before israel you know closed the the the airs um the um uh checkpoint there sorry the border

00:56:21.620 point you'd had trucks going in every day every gaza should have had two to three thousand two to

00:56:29.600 three thousand calories a day uh but they didn't you know people in sudan would would die for like

00:56:36.480 you know for half of that but they didn't and why because hamas stipend and took all all the food

00:56:43.240 killed anybody who tried to get the food and created an industry a billion dollar industry for themselves

00:56:51.320 and nobody wants to talk about that any aid that goes into gaza anything goes through hamas and what's

00:56:59.920 most galling is that the taxpayer meaning you and i yeah are funding this so so i literally have my book

00:57:10.100 royalties stolen to fund my demise and that of my children it is astounding it and and the the the most

00:57:21.380 outrageous aspect of it is that they fully know that unra is involved they fully know what unra is

00:57:30.260 about the trudeau government was shown intelligence uh by you know by by officials carney knows that

00:57:38.240 intelligence and yet here we are and to just go to another point let's not forget that justin trudeau

00:57:45.060 blood libeled israel multiple times from al shifa to rafa and never apologized for it never corrected

00:57:53.500 the record right the al shifa hospital is a perfect example of a world leader going to x blood libeling

00:58:02.440 an entire country and community claiming that israel killed 500 people never took place right the cia

00:58:11.600 every intelligence even the europeans who don't have any a lot of love for israel at this moment

00:58:16.180 said that and here there he was not correcting the record you know trying to weasel his way out of it

00:58:23.420 yeah well that was the liberal party yeah the last few months i uh i explained the in the parasitic mind

00:58:31.820 that uh cultural relativism right who are we to judge others is a very potent idea pathogen parasitic idea

00:58:39.520 and justin trudeau before he became uh prime minister when he was just an mp if you remember

00:58:45.540 early in his career had gotten very upset when stephen harper's uh government had referred to

00:58:52.740 honor killings child brides and female genital mutilation as barbaric justin trudeau wasn't upset

00:58:59.900 by the barbaric acts he was upset that stephen harper's administration had called them barbaric acts

00:59:06.920 that just that was enough for me to stand up on top of the mountain and beg canadians to not vote

00:59:15.220 for this degenerate and i did it for many many years and almost everybody ignored me but now they

00:59:21.720 write me emails and saying oh dr sad we should have listened to you i worry and god willing i should

00:59:28.440 be proven to be wrong i worry that this monday we will be handing a fourth term to justin trudeau et al

00:59:36.740 but inshallah it doesn't inshallah you're wrong inshallah you're wrong but you know that mindset you

00:59:42.780 can see that in canadian media recently yesterday there was a published uh story in one of our leading

00:59:48.720 newspapers saying that um the fact that the police are present in the in you know in these uh palace

00:59:58.220 pro hamas what i call them pro hamas pro palestinian terror uh protests is is wrong because

01:00:06.540 it makes it seem as if these uh protests you know are dangerous yes yes i couldn't laugh i couldn't

01:00:16.040 stop laughing because so bashing businesses windows businesses isn't dangerous uh um stopping people

01:00:24.040 from moving on the streets isn't dangerous violence isn't dangerous please let us know what is dangerous

01:00:30.720 but by the way just for you to know this kind of uh rationale i it it literally is part of the

01:00:39.200 distorted mindset of the middle east so for example i have had muslims look at me and say that when

01:00:48.640 the kuffar the infidels are killed it's done very mercifully because it's a quick sort of you know 1.00

01:00:57.960 cut of the neck you really feel no pain so in a sense the person who's had their head detached from

01:01:06.400 the rest of their body hopefully still has enough force when the body is detached to say thank you

01:01:12.680 because it was done in a truly merciful way now they don't say that with any sense of you know dark

01:01:19.360 sarcasm it's literally meant so this is why by the way egal i say that the west doesn't have what i call

01:01:27.940 cultural theory of mind theory of mind theory of mind is the is a very important uh social ability

01:01:35.120 which is i need to put myself in your mind to be able to have a meaningful conversation and actually

01:01:40.720 autistic children you diagnose them as being autistic because they fail a theory of mind test so i take 1.00

01:01:47.680 this principle which typically operates at the individual level and i argue that that the cultural

01:01:52.520 level the west doesn't have cultural theory of mind when it comes to the middle east because the west

01:01:59.780 thinks that the values that they have enshrined as noble compassion kindness generosity beneficence

01:02:08.080 magnanimity those will be reciprocated whereas they're heard by the other group as weakness weakness

01:02:15.740 weakness weakness weakness hence i've explained when i speak to those people they tell me the west

01:02:21.800 as a woman to be mounted okay but again the you know joe smith and uh chantal leblanc doesn't speak 0.97

01:02:32.680 that language and therefore i'm always speaking beyond them because they say oh you're such an extremist

01:02:38.980 yourself i i i mean my my uh convenience store clerk ahmad is the loveliest guy he's the sweetest most

01:02:47.120 peaceful guy so you take an individual exemplar of a lovely muslim individual and you say they are the

01:02:53.880 representation of true islam so stop spreading your islamophobia professor so you know i i want to always

01:03:01.680 be optimistic but i feel like it's an impenetrable problem that is here with us forever more we're almost

01:03:09.520 out of time can you leave us with any optimism and then tell us where we can get uh or watch your

01:03:15.860 movie the killing roads right i think we should all have discussions about this and and um the optimism

01:03:23.420 part is hard i'm not gonna lie i'll leave the optimism to you uh your beautiful smile is optimistic so

01:03:30.080 there we go um in terms of the killing road you can watch it for free we made it available completely

01:03:36.080 for free from day one on the killing roads.com you can also follow it on tkr the movie on on x the

01:03:44.140 film is available on x and also on youtube we had to take our older version was taken down we brought

01:03:50.340 up a new one so it's on x at the killing roads as well but uh and if you go to the killing roads.com

01:03:56.960 you can everything is available there you can watch it wherever you want and it's available fully for

01:04:01.480 free and any institution any organization anyone who wants to show it publicly i'm more than happy

01:04:07.960 you have card launch show it the whole point is to get the movie out there that's why i made it because

01:04:13.360 i want people to understand what really happened on october 7th and this is one part right that's just

01:04:19.060 the roads we're not talking about the kibbutzim we're not talking about the nova party we're not

01:04:23.320 talking about cities like stirot and of akim uh this is just one part of the savage barbarity 0.82

01:04:30.840 that palestinian terrorists unleashed on israel on october 7th well thank you for having the stomach to 0.99

01:04:38.400 actually be able to document all this craziness it does take courage to do it so thank you for your

01:04:44.580 work uh last question as we wrap it up is there are there any projects down the pipeline that you're

01:04:52.160 currently working on that you'd like to use this opportunity to tell us yeah absolutely so i'm doing

01:04:56.880 a another october 7th film that's very positive it is about the aftermath i'm the producer and the

01:05:02.480 editor the director is israeli director dotan naveh uh it's filmed by leor corin and gabriel volkovic

01:05:08.180 and the film looks at a group of women uh post october 7th we started filming two weeks after the 7th 0.98

01:05:14.900 and how they survived uh remarkable stories and then how do they move on which is a reflection of the

01:05:21.440 state of israel and maybe the jewish diaspora how do we move on how can we move on what do we need to

01:05:27.760 move on and it's a very beautiful uh movie about uh strength and women's resilience uh dotan did a

01:05:35.200 great job as did leor and gabriel i'm producing and i'm editing here in canada um and uh i'm doing

01:05:42.060 another film about the 7th uh and it'll be my last film about the 7th because the trilogy and i there's

01:05:49.120 so much one can handle in terms of sadness um but it is a film that is going to be even sadder than

01:05:56.820 and then the killing roads but it won't be graphic it's a film that from the first frame breaks your

01:06:04.460 heart but it's an important film and uh hopefully we can get funding for it and hopefully we can begin

01:06:10.480 filming it uh in october in israel for about a month for two months well shabbat shalom to you and

01:06:16.440 your loved ones thank you for your work and thank you for coming on the show to discuss these

01:06:21.080 important although extremely somber topics thanks so much iga thank you so much and such a pleasure

01:06:26.360 for meeting you thank you cheers likewise

01:06:28.760 thank you cheers likewise

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - April 30, 2025

Igal Hecht - ＂The Killing Roads＂ and the Horrors of October 7 (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_829)

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