The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - Is Woke Dead？ (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad

00:00:00.000 Welcome everybody, it's good to see so many familiar faces here tonight.

00:00:12.360 Welcome to this University of Buckingham Center for Heterodox Social Science event, Is Woke

00:00:17.680 Dead?

00:00:19.680 And we're going to have a fantastic array of speakers tonight.

00:00:24.560 We've got Matt Goodwin, Gadsad and Batja Ungar-Sargon who are going to be coming down onto the stage

00:00:32.500 in a minute.

00:00:34.560 So Woke is, as I define it, the making sacred of historically marginalized race, gender

00:00:41.280 and sexual identity groups.

00:00:45.000 The question before us tonight is whether this ideology which has convulsed the West

00:00:50.680 in the last decade is in fact dead or whether it is in fact simply respawning.

00:00:58.080 Woke has a whole number of downstream effects, whether we talk about border security, crime,

00:01:03.080 education.

00:01:04.880 It's not just about the battle of ideas on campus.

00:01:08.900 A number of commentators have been arguing that in fact Woke is dead.

00:01:14.280 Most recently Ricky Gervais as he was getting a star in Hollywood.

00:01:18.840 But also the term vibe shift has been coined by a number of people like Matthew Iglesias.

00:01:23.400 Iglesias always seems to come up with the defining terms of the Woke era.

00:01:27.680 He came up with a great awokening I believe.

00:01:29.660 Anyway Andrew Doyle is also of this opinion to some degree.

00:01:34.040 And it is true we are seeing you know AOC and Pete Buttigieg removing pronouns.

00:01:39.360 Even Ash Sarkar in this country claiming that she's against Woke.

00:01:42.780 So maybe there is some progress there.

00:01:44.440 But on the other hand there is a strong case as well that in fact this thing is persisting.

00:01:50.920 Young people are more woke than old and as they become the median voter won't that bring

00:01:55.480 Woke back.

00:01:56.920 We see concerts where artists are saying fuck JK Rowling and everyone is cheering.

00:02:03.100 So maybe this thing isn't completely dead.

00:02:06.280 Anyhow our panelists are distinguished high impact contributors to the emerging study of

00:02:12.340 Woke ideology.

00:02:14.400 Our first guest on stage will be Professor Matt Goodwin who is a political scientist and

00:02:20.500 author and honorary professor of politics at the University of Buckingham and a fellow

00:02:26.540 of the center.

00:02:27.540 He's the author of National Populism.

00:02:30.720 The book Values, Voice and Virtue and most recently Bad Education.

00:02:35.240 Why our universities are broken and how to fix them.

00:02:38.620 Goodwin is a regular media contributor and currently hosts State of the Nation on GB News.

00:02:44.460 If you haven't signed up to his sub stack you've really got to do that.

00:02:48.520 This is it is I think it's like the number one or number two political sub stack in Britain.

00:02:55.200 Unfortunately Matt is because he's so in demand he's going to have to depart a bit early to

00:03:01.680 host his show State of the Nation on GB News not too far away.

00:03:06.440 I'll now ask Gad Saad to come down who is, you've all heard of Gad Saad no doubt, the

00:03:13.380 Godfather.

00:03:14.380 A professor of marketing at Concordia University in Canada and a visiting professor and global

00:03:20.520 ambassador at Northwood University in Michigan.

00:03:24.380 He's an evolutionary psychologist and author of amongst others, The Parasitic Mind.

00:03:29.780 And I'm very much looking forward to this one, the new book on suicidal empathy and is

00:03:35.000 host of the popular YouTube channel, The Sad Truth, spelt with two A's of course.

00:03:43.200 Finally we have Baccha Ungar-Sargon, again a household name, formerly deputy editor of Newsweek

00:03:50.280 Magazine.

00:03:51.280 A regular commentator in the US media apparently is now allowed on CNN, I'm told.

00:03:58.560 A self-described quote unquote mega leftist known for her critiques of elite liberalism and

00:04:04.500 advocacy for working class Americans.

00:04:08.380 The author of a number of important books including Bad News, How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy,

00:04:14.500 Second Class, How the Elites Betrayed America's Working Men and Women.

00:04:19.900 I'm going to start with Matt, you have the floor.

00:04:23.300 Thank you very much.

00:04:25.300 Thank you Eric.

00:04:26.300 Well thank you very much to Eric for organizing this event.

00:04:36.180 Thank you to the University of Buckingham as well, to the Center for Heterodox Social Science,

00:04:41.900 to all of you for coming along and to my fellow speakers whose work has been very influential

00:04:46.680 actually for me whether looking at the problems with the media class which has basically become

00:04:52.060 an epicenter of wokeness through to Gad's excellent work on suicidal empathy which is I think at

00:04:59.440 the heart of what we're talking about this evening.

00:05:05.340 Is woke dead?

00:05:06.340 The first thing to figure out is what do we mean by the word woke and I've been very inspired

00:05:14.600 by Eric's work in White Shift and Taboo, the Third Awakening and defining this ideology as

00:05:22.960 really being about the sacralization of racial, sexual and gender minorities.

00:05:31.060 The view that all minority groups are virtuous, are sacred, cannot be criticized, cannot be

00:05:38.120 challenged, while the majority group is to be considered suspicious, threatening and inherently

00:05:47.420 problematic.

00:05:50.460 And I think if you look at what's going on in the West today, the woke movement which peaked

00:05:58.240 I think in America in the 2010s is firmly in retreat in the United States of America and

00:06:04.820 I'll defer to Bachir and Gad to talk a little bit about that because they're the real experts

00:06:09.860 on North America.

00:06:12.000 But I don't think woke is dead or even close to being dead here in the UK, quite the contrary.

00:06:23.020 Like America, I think we still have a new elite in this country, a political, media, creative and

00:06:31.340 cultural elite who are still overwhelmingly focused on making minority groups sacred and view especially the

00:06:41.480 white British majority with suspicion and as being inherently dangerous.

00:06:48.280 This is why, of course, as we've seen most recently in this country, much of that elite class that

00:06:53.780 spans political parties on both the established left and the right, we haven't gone through

00:06:59.280 the Trump realignment here in this country, although we're seeing something similar to the Trump

00:07:04.000 realignment that I'll come back and talk about.

00:07:07.620 We have not seen any correction in the elite class in this country at all.

00:07:14.440 The rape gang scandal, the grooming gang scandal is perhaps the best symbol of this in the

00:07:19.440 UK which turned the underlying political logic of woke ideology on its head because here was

00:07:27.200 a scandal where hundreds of thousands if not more than a million of young white working

00:07:33.360 class girls were being sexually assaulted and raped across upwards of 50 towns and cities

00:07:42.860 in this country by Pakistani Muslim gangs despite the fact that even today much of the legacy

00:07:51.600 media class still refuse to accept that fact.

00:07:54.860 But the rape gang scandal has become a very powerful symbol in my mind of how woke ideology remains

00:08:02.680 very firmly entrenched in this country.

00:08:06.900 In fact, if you look at an organization like the BBC, which I would argue has become and

00:08:11.800 is still an epicenter of wokeness, up until the last couple of months, the only serious documentary

00:08:19.900 on that scandal was one that portrayed a white working class girl lying about being groomed and

00:08:28.900 sexually assaulted by Muslim rape gangs.

00:08:33.300 It wasn't until the likes of Channel 4, remarkably, an alternative media organization began to do proper

00:08:40.320 documentaries on this scandal.

00:08:42.600 Although interestingly, Keir Starmer, our Labour Prime Minister, has not demanded that that documentary

00:08:48.340 be shown in every school up and down this country, unlike adolescents.

00:08:53.580 Which might seem a trite comparison, but that's exactly how the woke views society.

00:08:59.600 Because in the fictional drama adolescence, you have a white working class boy from a good

00:09:06.120 home with two parents being seen as inherently problematic and threatening.

00:09:11.840 Whereas anybody who's looked at the empirical reality of what's happening in this country

00:09:15.340 knows that that reality indeed looks quite different.

00:09:19.580 I don't think woke is dead because much of the expert class in this country continue to

00:09:24.780 openly ignore both the Cass review, which underlined the lack of scientific evidence behind gender

00:09:31.420 ideology and gender medicine, and the UK Supreme Court ruling, which recently concluded that the

00:09:37.820 definition of a woman, the legal definition of a woman is one based on biological sex.

00:09:43.100 Tonight on our show, again, we're pointing to another institution, this time mental health hospitals across

00:09:51.180 this country, who are responsible for violent criminals, for treating violent criminals.

00:09:57.020 They are still using policies which allow biologically male patients to self-identify as women.

00:10:04.460 Last week, we showed three NHS trusts were openly ignoring the UK Supreme Court judgment in terms of how to define a woman.

00:10:15.500 The universities continue to promote gender policies and gender ideology, and the British Medical Association,

00:10:25.100 supposedly a bastion of experts, recently lodged an official complaint with the Supreme Court because of its judgment.

00:10:33.340 These are not serious people.

00:10:35.820 These are ideologues masquerading as neutral, impartial experts.

00:10:42.380 I don't think woke is dead in this country as well because the universities, where I worked for 20 years,

00:10:48.300 are still fighting tooth and nail to oppose a Free Speech Higher Education Act, a piece of legislation

00:10:54.060 that actually Eric and I helped to design and deliver, which creates a mechanism whereby universities can be fined

00:11:02.060 if they violate free speech, which culminated in the University of Sussex recently being fined £600,000

00:11:09.340 for violating Kathleen Stock's free speech.

00:11:13.420 But despite that, Russell Group Universities, Vice Chancellors up and down this country maintain

00:11:19.820 there is no problem with free speech on campus when in reality anybody who has worked in the universities knows that they are hardwired by wokeism from top to bottom.

00:11:30.940 You cannot apply for an academic job in this country or a major research grant in this country if you do not submit a diversity statement with that application,

00:11:41.100 if you do not pledge your allegiance to diversity, equity and inclusion.

00:11:47.580 This is a political litmus test that is used to weed out conservative and gender critical scholars from our higher education institutions.

00:11:57.020 Only today in the newspapers, Research England, the main body that oversees research grants in universities in this country,

00:12:04.620 has announced a brand new action plan committed to diversity, equity and inclusion.

00:12:11.020 So I suspect we will hear a lot about what Donald Trump is doing by taking on Harvard, by rooting out DEI.

00:12:19.420 I wish some of that were happening in the UK, but from where I'm sat, the woke agenda within the universities is still strongly entrenched

00:12:31.740 and has a very iron-like grip around the universities.

00:12:36.860 We also still in this country have a political media and creative class that is wholly committed to what

00:12:43.660 Michael Schellenberger and others have called the censorship industrial complex.

00:12:47.260 Again, this is a crucial difference from the US.

00:12:50.060 We do not have a long legacy of defending free speech in the way that Americans do.

00:12:55.660 We have a Labour government which is expanding non-crime hate incidents in this country,

00:13:01.980 which if you don't know what a non-crime hate incident is, I'm pretty sure I've had a few logged against me in recent weeks.

00:13:08.060 A non-crime hate incident is if you perceive one of your protected characteristics,

00:13:13.420 your gender, your race or sex to have been offended during the course of this talk,

00:13:17.980 you can call up a police station and give no evidence for your claim,

00:13:23.100 but you can have a non-crime hate incident logged against me.

00:13:26.700 And if I go for a job at a public sector institution, they can ask for my criminal record

00:13:32.140 and see that I've had a non-crime hate incident logged against me.

00:13:36.380 You might say, Matt, you are exaggerating this.

00:13:39.420 250,000 people in this country have a non-crime hate incident logged against them.

00:13:47.820 We have a political class that is using things like that.

00:13:50.860 As we've seen with the Lucy Connolly case, Brits will know what that is.

00:13:54.860 There is a British woman in prison today based on what she tweeted.

00:13:59.260 For nearly three years, Lucy Connolly has been sent to prison,

00:14:03.180 while at the same time members of the rape gangs actually received lower,

00:14:08.700 shorter prison sentences than Lucy Connolly.

00:14:11.660 We have a Labour government that is now working, as we meet here this week,

00:14:15.980 to expand the definition of Islamophobia, which is going to be used to restrict

00:14:21.340 our national debate about the role and compatibility of Islam within British society.

00:14:27.340 That definition of Islamophobia, agreed by Labour MPs in 2018,

00:14:34.300 specifically mentions the grooming gangs, discussing the grooming gangs as an example of Islamophobia.

00:14:43.740 And it specifically mentions talking about the demographic threat faced to Western nations

00:14:51.020 by the rise of Islam as Islamophobia.

00:14:55.580 So the piece that you might have seen in the Telegraph today, a research report that I released this morning,

00:15:01.260 which is on Eric's website at the Centre for Heterodox Social Science,

00:15:06.060 where we show that on current projections,

00:15:08.940 one in every five people in the UK will be Muslim by the end of this century,

00:15:13.660 closer to one in three among the under 40s.

00:15:17.020 This is one of the biggest pieces of work that's been done on the UK population.

00:15:22.940 That could be considered Islamophobic,

00:15:26.300 because we are talking about demographic shifts that relate to Islam.

00:15:31.980 This is the insanity that we are now seeing.

00:15:36.140 In fact, if you look at that report,

00:15:38.300 the woke ideology dominance over Westminster, I would argue,

00:15:43.580 is also reflected in the continuing refusal of our political elites

00:15:49.660 to do anything other than remain firmly committed to the policy of mass uncontrolled immigration,

00:15:55.820 and a refusal to do what is required to fix our national borders.

00:16:01.340 White Britons in this country will be a minority by the year 2063.

00:16:07.260 The foreign born and their children will be a majority in this country by 2079.

00:16:14.060 And as I've mentioned, by the end of this century, close to one in three of the under 40s will be following Islam.

00:16:23.180 Those things are not an accident.

00:16:25.020 They are the downstream effects of a specific state policy of mass uncontrolled immigration,

00:16:31.820 which reflects how the institutions in this country, including the Conservative Party,

00:16:38.220 and including the Labour Party, have been completely hijacked

00:16:41.980 by an extreme version of social liberalism, if not radical, woke progressivism.

00:16:48.780 In all of the institutions, you can see other symbols of this.

00:16:51.660 Last week, we revealed in GB News, police are spending 10 million pounds a year on DEI jobs.

00:16:58.380 That's enough for 354 police officers.

00:17:01.740 Last week, we revealed that the civil service have spent 30 million pounds a year on diversity jobs.

00:17:08.940 That's enough for 135,000 payments for pensioners to cover their winter fuel.

00:17:15.180 I could go on.

00:17:16.460 I just do not see any serious evidence at all that woke ideology is in retreat here in the UK.

00:17:24.460 Even when we get those big judgements, like the UK Supreme Court, the institutions are openly

00:17:30.700 ignoring those judgements.

00:17:33.580 There is, however, cause for optimism.

00:17:36.620 In the political landscape, I think we are where America was around 2014, 2015.

00:17:43.100 The rise of the Reform Party is now forcing a realignment of our political system,

00:17:48.380 and it is forcing a correction within conservatism.

00:17:53.740 Until now, the British Tory party, the Conservatives have remained firmly wedded to a model of

00:17:59.740 conservatism that has enabled woke ideology within the institutions.

00:18:05.260 It was the Conservatives, after Tony Blair, who mainstreamed the Equality Act,

00:18:11.580 the public sector duties, gender ideology, did nothing about what was going on with our schools,

00:18:18.860 our universities, and spent 14 years enabling the entrenchment of this ideology in our institutions.

00:18:27.980 The Tories have really always been much more interested in accruing social status for themselves

00:18:34.060 and not venturing into what they call the culture wars than actually doing what is required to save this country.

00:18:40.300 If we want woke to be dead in this country like I think it will end up suffering a succession of defeats in America,

00:18:48.380 I think we need to do several things, and here's where I'll culminate and hand over to the real experts from America

00:18:55.900 who can perhaps give us some more reasons for optimism.

00:18:58.860 I think we need a factory reset in this country.

00:19:03.340 That's what we need in the UK.

00:19:04.780 We need to essentially return to the legislative landscape that we had prior to 1997.

00:19:12.300 We need to radically reform, if not repeal, the Equality Act.

00:19:16.060 We need to radically reform, if not repeal, the Human Rights Act.

00:19:19.260 We need to fully leave the European Convention on Human Rights so we can control our borders and deport foreign criminals.

00:19:26.300 We need to strip out diversity, equity and inclusion policies from our institutions,

00:19:32.220 which are doing the very opposite of what they claim to do while mainstreaming anti-white racism among our young people.

00:19:41.340 We need to remove taxpayer funding for institutions that openly push anti-British pro-woke ideas.

00:19:47.980 We need to oppose and root out all non-crime hate incidents and hate laws,

00:19:53.660 which are being used to control the parameters of national discussion in this country.

00:20:01.580 And we need to push forward a brand of conservatism, or let's just say a brand of common sense politics,

00:20:08.060 that is not afraid to intervene in the institutions to do what is ultimately required to save this country.

00:20:16.700 And that will make lots of classical liberals and libertarians instinctively nervous.

00:20:21.980 But having worked in the universities for 20 years, I can tell you,

00:20:25.820 these institutions are not going to reform themselves.

00:20:29.340 They have no incentive to reform themselves and correct a system that has become very openly rigged

00:20:38.140 against the hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding majority in this country.

00:20:43.500 We can kill woke ideology in this country, but the first step to doing that means abandoning the very

00:20:51.500 political parties that created, enabled, and mainstreamed woke ideology to begin with.

00:20:58.220 Thank you very much.

00:20:59.020 Thanks. Thanks. Thanks a lot.

00:21:05.660 I'm going to have to touch.

00:21:09.500 So, we've heard about the situation in Britain. I'm Canadian myself, and I can only imagine, you know,

00:21:17.500 if Woke isn't dead in Britain, I can't imagine it being dead in Canada, where it's running around like an uncaged zoo animal.

00:21:25.020 But anyway, I will now introduce Gad Saad to come and speak about these topics. Thank you.

00:21:41.820 How do we – can you guys flip it to the slides?

00:21:44.700 Okay. So, in order to fully zombify someone so that they lose their ability to think,

00:21:54.940 you have to do two things. You have to parasitize their cognitive system, which is the point of the

00:22:01.980 parasitic mind. And I'll talk about what that framework is. But then the second part of the story is,

00:22:07.740 you also have to disable their emotional system, which is the topic of my forthcoming book,

00:22:13.980 Suicidal Empathy. If I can get you to stop thinking and stop activating your emotional system properly,

00:22:21.180 then I've got you completely zombified. And so, I'll talk about some of these ideas.

00:22:25.740 Originally, I had planned to talk about the two great wars that I have faced in my life.

00:22:31.100 The first great war is the Lebanese civil war from which I escaped. This is where I learned what

00:22:37.740 happens to a society that is perfectly organized along identity politics lines, as is the case in

00:22:43.980 Rwanda, and in Syria, and in Iraq, and in Bosnia, and so on. But I don't think I have enough time. I

00:22:49.900 have about 20-25 minutes, so I'm going to skip all that stuff. The second great war, of course,

00:22:55.500 is the great war on reason, on science, on logic, on common sense, on reality, that I've been

00:23:02.940 witnessing for now 31 years. And the reason why, in a sense, I've been writing The Parasitic Mind

00:23:09.660 for 31 years now is because my scientific work seeks to incorporate evolutionary biology

00:23:18.940 and evolutionary psychology, and studying human behavior in general, and consumer behavior,

00:23:24.620 economic behavior in particular. It would seem like a no-brainer that consumers are biological

00:23:31.100 beings. But apparently, to most of my social science colleagues, that's Nazi talk. And so,

00:23:37.260 that was the original time when I started here. How could these otherwise sophisticated,

00:23:41.740 intelligent people be denying such obvious realities? Of course,

00:23:45.580 our hormones should be affecting our behaviors as economic agents. Do my cortisol levels cease to

00:23:53.180 matter when I'm a consumer? Does my testosterone no longer matter when I make decisions?

00:23:59.020 And so, that was the original impetus of me seeing that things were wrong. And of course,

00:24:04.540 it then went on overdrive since. So, let me just skip a few slides. This was all related

00:24:10.220 to sort of my childhood in Lebanon. But I do want to mention two ugly realities that relate to

00:24:18.460 the orgiastic growth in Jew hatred. Because there is sort of a running thread from many wokesters who

00:24:28.220 are also quite virulently anti-Semitic. And so, I'll just start with one story that originally began

00:24:35.100 on our last day in Lebanon. We left Lebanon after one year of the civil war. But then the second part,

00:24:40.380 if you look at the tweet below it, is something that happened more recently. So,

00:24:44.860 the day that we left Lebanon, as we cleared the airspace of Lebanon, the captain, the pilot,

00:24:52.780 declared it so. And so, my mother put a Star of David around my neck and said,

00:24:57.580 now you can wear this. Be proud and not hide your identity. So, hold that thought for a second. This

00:25:03.020 is in 1975. About two weeks after October 7th, my wife with one of our children came to pick me up

00:25:10.940 at a cafe where I was working on my laptop. My son had just played a soccer match in the east end of

00:25:16.700 Montreal, which has a particular demographic group that is quite prevalent there. And when I got into

00:25:22.700 the car, he said to me, Daddy, if you had come to my soccer match today, and if you were wearing

00:25:27.500 a Star of David, you'd be dead. So, the same boy who, in 1975, was able to wear a Star of David,

00:25:34.620 was no longer able to wear it in Montreal, Canada, 45 years later. So, you may think that you can avoid

00:25:41.180 the problem, but the problem will eventually find you. I thought I had it in my rear view mirror,

00:25:46.780 but it's caught up to me. Let me show you the next slide. This is what you're seeing there are SWAT

00:25:53.180 team police. This is not campus police. These are the official police in SWAT gear that are at my

00:26:02.620 university to protect Jewish students. Now, I'd like to say Jewish professors as well, but the reality

00:26:09.980 is that given my profile, I had to take a leave of absence from my university. This is why I'm now

00:26:16.380 at a university in Michigan. I had to leave Concordia because it was too dangerous for me to be there.

00:26:23.900 This is the reality that we're facing in the West, and yet most people, you know, just kind of nod their

00:26:29.500 head and think that the problem is elsewhere. It's going to come for everyone. So, I mentioned already

00:26:36.780 this. So, let me now sort of talk a bit about parasitic mind. Many of you are probably familiar with

00:26:41.740 the with my framework, but maybe not. So, there are, of course, two great threats, I argue, that

00:26:47.820 humanity has faced. One are actual pathogens, biological pathogens, viruses, bacteria, parasites,

00:26:55.820 real parasites, fungi. But then I argue that human beings could be parasitized by a second class of

00:27:04.140 parasites. I call these parasitic ideas or idea pathogens, right? And the idea how I came up with

00:27:12.860 this framework is in reading the parasitology literature. So, parasitology is the study of

00:27:19.980 host parasite interactions. So, a tapeworm is a parasite, but that parasitizes your intestinal

00:27:27.020 tract. But a neuroparasite is a parasite that wants to end up in the host's brain, altering its circuitry

00:27:36.380 to suit, typically, its reproductive interest. And so, examples of such parasites, if you look at the

00:27:43.180 top left one, at least my left, the spider wasp will sting a much larger spider, rendering it completely

00:27:51.020 zombified, but in vivo. It's live. It then pulls it into its burrow, lays eggs on it, and then as the

00:27:59.500 eggs hatch, they eat the parasite in vivo. And so, that is a perfect analogy for political correctness,

00:28:07.900 right? That's the spider wasp's sting that zombifies you so that you walk quietly to the

00:28:14.060 abyss of infinite lunacy saying, yes, yes, men too can menstruate. Yes, yes, men too can bear children.

00:28:20.380 While I'm standing screaming saying, are you insane? But that's the reality. That's the spider wasp.

00:28:26.380 But let's go on. Toxoplasma gondii is one that maybe some of you have heard of. It can actually

00:28:32.140 infect human brains, but the typical example that people have heard of is when it infects the brain

00:28:39.020 of a cat, of a mouse. Well, usually a mouse has evolved a very adaptive fear of cats, but when it is

00:28:47.420 parasitized by Toxoplasma gondii, it becomes sexually attracted to the cat's urine, which is not a good

00:28:54.060 mating preference to have. I'll skip the third one, but I'll talk about the next one. Some of you have

00:29:01.180 heard me assign an award to wood cricket Jews. So now you will learn what that terminology comes from.

00:29:10.700 So a wood cricket, as you're seeing in the bottom picture, abhors water. It wants nothing to do with

00:29:17.100 water. But when it is parasitized by a hair worm, the hair worm needs it to jump into water in order

00:29:23.900 to complete its reproductive cycle. So the wood cricket will jump into water, effectively committing

00:29:30.380 suicide because its brain has been zombified by this hair worm to suit its interest. So now you can

00:29:37.580 see how apt that parasitological framework is. So now let's look at some human forms of wood crickets.

00:29:45.500 You ready? Queers for Palestine. So if you're queer, good for you. Rah, rah. But if your fundamental

00:29:57.340 identity that you present yourself to the world is your queer identity, then I would ask such a queer

00:30:03.180 person, would it be better for you to put your support behind, say, Tel Aviv, which is one of the

00:30:07.980 most queer-friendly cities in the world, short of New York, San Francisco, Montreal. Tel Aviv ranks right up

00:30:14.460 there. Or would you like to put your your might, your support behind Gaza, where they have a very, very

00:30:22.300 effective conversion therapy program. It's a gravity-based therapy program.

00:30:26.060 So, of course, Queers for Palestine. That's what a wood cricket looks like. Then we have Jewish Anna Epstein,

00:30:35.900 who is so enlightened, so empathetic, so kind, so compassionate, that she was caught at Boston

00:30:43.820 University pulling down the posters of babies that had been kidnapped. Right? She's Jewish. Had she been at

00:30:54.060 the Nova Festival, she would have met the same reality as the rest of the people there, but she transcends

00:31:02.540 that. She's incredibly empathetic, not like all of you degenerates. And then the third one is a very, very

00:31:09.980 empathetic Scandinavian guy from Norway. Norway, not Norway, Scandinavia suffers from stage four suicidal

00:31:17.900 empathy. And so here we've got this guy who had been sodomized by a Somali immigrant. After the

00:31:25.900 Norwegian, you know, justice system had given him a very, very light sentence, because they don't believe

00:31:32.940 in things like punishment. It's better to rehabilitate people because they're very kind. After he finished his

00:31:39.180 sentence and he was about to be deported back to Somalia, the guy that he had sodomized, the victim,

00:31:46.620 felt terrible anguish. Right? Existential anguish. Because now the Somali sodomizer will not be able to

00:31:55.180 maximally flourish to his full potential in Somalia instead of if he stayed in Norway. Well, as the resident

00:32:02.620 evolutionary psychologist in this room, I can tell you that our emotional system did not evolve to feel great

00:32:08.540 empathy for our rapists. But once you are parasitized, you do feel great empathy for your rapist.

00:32:16.780 Another example of wonderful suicidal empathy and parasitic thinking, Tal Nitzan, Jewish Tal Nitzan,

00:32:24.460 was a doctoral student at Hebrew University, one of the most prestigious universities in Israel,

00:32:30.540 in Jerusalem. She was doing her doctoral work to try to hopefully, from her perspective,

00:32:37.820 document the endless rapes that the IDF soldiers were committing on Palestinian women. To her utter

00:32:46.700 dismay, she found out that there wasn't one documented case. Even when she is going to the sources

00:32:51.900 interviewing the Palestinian women, she couldn't identify a single verifiable documented case of such

00:33:00.860 rapes. Now, of course, an honest scientist would say, oh, I guess my hypothesis was falsified. That

00:33:07.420 happens in science, yes? That's why we have Popper's falsification principle, right? But in her case,

00:33:14.380 she said, aha, this actually perfectly demonstrates that the IDF soldiers are truly evil. Because they so

00:33:21.580 dehumanize the Palestinian women that they don't even consider it worthy to rape them.

00:33:30.460 Had they raped the Palestinian women, they would have been degenerate Jews. If they didn't rape the

00:33:36.540 Palestinian women, they are degenerate Jews. All roads lead to bigotry.

00:33:41.100 So here are some of the pathogenic parasitic ideas that I discuss in the book. I won't go through all of

00:33:50.300 them, but social constructivism, cultural relativism, many others. I could spend a whole lecture on any

00:34:00.860 one of them. But I'll mention only one, the one in the center top. That's the granddaddy of all parasitic

00:34:07.580 ideas. That's the one that allows all the other parasitic ideas to flourish, which is basically

00:34:12.620 postmodernism. There are no objective truths other than the one objective truth that there are no

00:34:18.140 objective truths. And so you might imagine how that can result in men being women. There is no, you're not

00:34:25.660 shackled by your, you know, this thing called genitalia or chromosomes or anatomical differences or

00:34:31.980 morphological differences or hormonal differences or physiological differences. I can be whatever I

00:34:37.340 want to be. It's my truth, not the truth. And so it is that framework that then gave opportunity

00:34:45.100 for all of the other parasitic degeneracy to take place.

00:34:51.020 Let me give you a few examples from Canada. If the point, if the ultimate sort of theme of today's

00:34:56.300 recession is woke dead, it isn't. I mean, it might slightly be in the United States, because yes,

00:35:06.300 Donald Trump came in, there's a bit of an autocorrection. But it took between 50 to 80 years

00:35:10.940 for each of these parasitic ideas to flourish. Every single one of them originally from the university

00:35:16.300 ecosystem. And so it's going to take a lot more than just Donald Trump, you know, reversing some of this

00:35:22.300 nonsense for it to suddenly go away. So it's going to be a much longer battle. But here's an example of

00:35:29.980 currently straight off off the press from Canada. University of Waterloo is sort of the Caltech or

00:35:36.540 MIT of equivalent in the United States. It's a big engineering school, big computer science school.

00:35:44.300 The first compiler that was designed for Fortran, one of the early computer science languages,

00:35:49.740 was at the University of Waterloo. So they just advertised for two chaired professorships,

00:35:56.140 but the highest possible chaired professorships. Those are chaired professorships that are endowed

00:36:01.340 by the Canadian government. So it's extremely prestigious. I'll just read you the first one.

00:36:06.460 All areas of artificial intelligence are welcome. So you could apply if you have the credentials,

00:36:12.220 but not really. Because what we're really looking for, by the way, this is not, this is not my satire,

00:36:17.820 which, for better or worse, I've become well known for. This is a straight screenshot of their actual

00:36:24.460 advertisements. So the call is open only to qualified individuals who qualify, who self-identify as women,

00:36:31.260 transgender, gender fluid, non-binary, or two-spirit. So Canada, given that it understands the value of AI and

00:36:40.300 wants to be competitive, wants to ensure that its AI experts are two-spirit or whatever the other

00:36:46.700 terms are, non-binary or gender fluid. That's what matters. That's what we have in Canada.

00:36:54.220 But if that doesn't horrify you, this is from my own home university. The bottom figure, if you're having a

00:37:00.940 hard time reading it, it's a project that seeks to decolonize light. So yes, there have been some

00:37:08.700 physicists who've won Nobel prizes working on the physics of light, but there's a problem with them.

00:37:15.180 They were all white. And so because of that, you can't fully trust their epistemological

00:37:22.540 viewpoint. And that's why you have to indigenize the study of light. Because the Mi'kmaq tribe will

00:37:29.740 probably have a very different perspective on the physics of light. It's really important to incorporate

00:37:34.380 that. But Concordia didn't stop there. In its five-year strategic plan, the number one item,

00:37:42.300 this is not satire, the number one item is to indigenize and decolonize the entire curriculum.

00:37:50.380 So I could be teaching differential equations. I could be teaching prime number, you know, pure mathematics.

00:37:57.900 I could be teaching neuroscience. I need to find a way to indigenize and decolonize my program.

00:38:06.060 So now you might appreciate why I took a leave of absence from Concordia University.

00:38:11.420 Because I have a bit of a difficult time indigenizing evolutionary psychology.

00:38:16.300 I'll skip this one. But some of you may have previously heard me talk about this. It basically

00:38:23.340 refers to the fact that in 2002, I was having a conversation with an escapee from a psychiatric

00:38:29.740 institute. No, no, sorry, I made a mistake. A graduate student in women's studies and postmodernism.

00:38:35.580 And she didn't agree that only women bear children. And she didn't agree that there was a thing called

00:38:41.180 the sun, where it rises in the east and sets in the west. She called it dancing hyena, to which I

00:38:46.940 answered, well, the dancing hyena rises in the east and sets in the west. And she said, I don't play those

00:38:52.460 label games. Ostrich parasitic syndrome is something that the UK really suffers from. And I'm here to

00:39:03.660 offer you some diagnosis, I guess. So ostrich parasitic syndrome, of course, is a metaphor for the ostrich

00:39:11.100 burying its head in the sand to ignore reality, which, of course, it doesn't actually do. But the metaphor,

00:39:17.820 everybody understands it. So here, what I'd like to show you is this number keeps going up. This is a,

00:39:25.020 by the way, that number could be an underestimate. There are many different databases,

00:39:30.460 fully academic databases. Many of those databases come from left-leaning groups. So you couldn't say

00:39:37.020 it's, you know, the right-wing conspiracy. Since 9-11 alone, so that's 24 years, there have been

00:39:44.060 47,506 Islamic terror attacks in 70 countries. The perpetrators will tell you why they did it

00:39:54.380 very clearly. They're on record. They have a video of it. But the bien-pensant, bien-pensant is a French

00:40:01.180 term sort of for the highfalutin, politically correct. The politically correct intelligentsia

00:40:06.620 in the West actually knows better than the perpetrators of those attacks. So they tell us

00:40:11.900 what the real reasons were. I'm going to share with you a few, because it perfectly captures

00:40:16.860 what ostrich parasitic syndrome is. Did you know that if a teenager is not exposed to enough

00:40:22.780 art in his teenage years, that could lead to him becoming an extremist? This is why, by the way,

00:40:29.020 my wife was sitting in the audience, we make sure to take our children to museums and expose them

00:40:34.460 to Chagall, Dali, and Modigliani, because otherwise they might end up going to Raqqa, Syria to join ISIS.

00:40:42.220 Bill Nye explained to us, because Bill Nye wears a bowtie, and therefore he has to be saying something

00:40:47.740 truthful. Bill Nye explained to us that the Bataclan attack in Paris, where I think it was 189 people

00:40:56.380 were mowed down at a concert, where the perpetrators screamed some things that made it clear what the

00:41:03.100 purpose was. He told us, no, it's actually quite conceivable that what drove those gentlemen to commit

00:41:09.020 that act was climate change. He's not joking. He's not being satirical. He's not being hyperbolic.

00:41:19.740 So when you have this kind of data in front of you, and you offer explanations like not enough art

00:41:25.740 exposure and not enough solar panels, then you end up with the types of problems that we see.

00:41:31.260 That's why it is parasitic, right? Let's keep going. I think Matt mentioned the grooming gangs,

00:41:39.020 and so a few months ago, in my, dare I say, inimitable style, I posted this exact photo,

00:41:47.500 and you can look at the names of the perpetrators. They seem to have something in common, but I'm not

00:41:53.340 smart enough to be able to know what that thing is. And so I put out on social media saying, hey,

00:41:59.900 can I get some help from some big data thinkers that can kind of tie the running thread through this?

00:42:07.100 Do you know what the real reason behind these guys is? It starts with a J. The second word is E.

00:42:16.620 The third one is W. And then we close it plural. It's the Jews. So when three Muhammads raped your

00:42:24.620 daughter, the real culprit is Mordecai. Why? Because it's the Jewish cabal that controls the immigration

00:42:33.420 policy of every Western country. I didn't know that because I'm the head of the Jews,

00:42:39.740 and I'm never invited to those meetings.

00:42:47.820 Thank you. Let me talk very briefly about what the next book is about, which has really taken off. I

00:42:54.700 mean, it's unbelievable how viral it's gone. I haven't finished writing it yet.

00:42:59.180 So suicidal empathy. There's been already several hit articles written on me that I am the architect

00:43:07.500 behind Elon Musk. I mean, of course, the Jewish puppeteer who who is trying to create a world

00:43:14.700 devoid of empathy. Okay. Well, of course, that's not what I'm saying. Empathy is a

00:43:20.060 perfectly explainable evolutionary-based virtue. As a social species, it makes perfect evolutionary

00:43:27.500 sense that we evolve the reflex of empathy. For example, theory of mind is part of the

00:43:34.220 cognitive element of empathy, right? For me to be able to have a meaningful interaction with you,

00:43:38.300 I need to put myself in your mind. Autistic children fail a theory of mind test. Okay?

00:43:44.620 So empathy is perfectly fine, but like most things in life, it has to be regulated within

00:43:51.260 certain ranges for it to be adaptive. It has to target the right people for it to be

00:43:57.260 adaptive and optimal. Suicidal empathy is the dysregulation of an otherwise adaptive process.

00:44:04.380 And so what I do in this book is I demonstrate that many of our insane, both domestic policies and

00:44:10.940 foreign policies are due to this dysregulated form of empathy. So fasten your seat belt. I'm coming

00:44:18.540 at you strong with that book. How to save our universities. I have a few more slides and I'll be

00:44:24.540 done. How to save our universities. Now, why am I focusing on universities? Because as I said earlier,

00:44:29.740 all of the woke, parasitic ideas originally stem from the universities. So you first have to,

00:44:34.940 you know, rescue the universities before the downstream effect stuff starts trickling.

00:44:39.580 So pursue knowledge unencumbered by ideological activism. There is no knowledge that is forbidden,

00:44:45.660 right? There is no, you shouldn't do a study on race-based differences in criminality because

00:44:52.140 that might marginalize the group that is shown to be more prone to criminality. The truth is the truth,

00:44:57.980 whether it hurts your feelings or not. Because if that were the metric, then we should not pursue

00:45:03.580 physics because, you know, it led to the dropping of two atomic bombs, right? So I am

00:45:09.340 in the business of pursuing truth and defending truth. The downstream effects are not for me to be

00:45:15.260 concerned with. Number two, freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry and the pursuit of truth are

00:45:20.780 deontological principles. They're not, they don't abide to a consequentialist ethics. So once you say,

00:45:26.380 I believe in freedom of speech, but you are entering consequentialist world, not deontological world.

00:45:32.380 Number three, no more identity politics, promote the dignity of the individual, no more oppression

00:45:37.900 Olympics, victimology, poker, and so on. No more coddling of the culture of perpetual offense and

00:45:44.140 insults. A just society is rooted in the ethos of meritocracy, which of course diversity, inclusion,

00:45:51.020 equity is the exact antithesis of that. The reason why I say we are not social ants is I'm referring

00:45:57.180 here to a wonderful quote from E.O. Wilson, who is a famous Harvard biologist who studied social ants.

00:46:04.140 And when he was asked, Professor Wilson, what are your views on communism? He said, great idea,

00:46:09.980 wrong species. Okay. And so social ants have evolved to be communistic. Human beings have not. We are

00:46:18.860 hierarchical. Some of us are taller, shorter, harder working, less harder working, better looking,

00:46:23.820 less better looking. So to try to impose equality of outcomes on a species that by inherently is

00:46:31.100 hierarchical makes no sense. That's why communism has always failed. It is anti human nature.

00:46:36.940 Promote an ethos of intellectual and political diversity. Many disciplines in academia have a

00:46:43.420 ratio of 130 to zero between Democrats and Republicans. I mean, literally 67 to one. So the lopsidedness is not

00:46:53.500 two to one. It's not five to one, which would be disastrous. It's in the order of you're more likely

00:46:59.180 to see a unicorn on campus than a Republican professor of sociology. All ideas, beliefs, and ideologies

00:47:08.380 are open to scrutiny. Okay. There is no sacred cows that we can't touch in a free society. I'll skip these.

00:47:16.060 How to save the West. I'm almost done. Bear with me. In order for the West to win this civilizational battle,

00:47:22.620 it must proudly and unequivocally defend Western values, reject cultural relativism and the

00:47:28.220 unicornia vision of multiculturalism. I do judge other cultures if they violate absolute moral truths.

00:47:36.220 Right? A society that doesn't tolerate child brides is superior to a society that does. A society that

00:47:43.580 doesn't throw gays off the rooftops is less good than one that doesn't tolerate that. Okay. So don't be

00:47:51.340 paralyzed by your fear of criticizing the other. Number three, recommit to individual dignity over

00:47:58.300 the celebration of collective identity. Recognize that all cultures are not equal. Now, we do benefit

00:48:06.060 from an exchange of cultures, but not in all matters. Cultures that tolerate the Jews and don't wish to

00:48:12.540 exterminate them are probably going to have greater support for individual dignity than those that wish to

00:48:19.980 kill all Jews. I won't go through all of them, but you get the general idea. Now, this is a beautiful...

00:48:28.380 Just bear with me maybe three more slides. This is a beautiful quote because...

00:48:33.900 Well, you'll see in a second. So when I say the truth is anti-fragile, what do I mean by that?

00:48:37.900 Seneca. Seneca, the ancient Roman Stoic, explained to us that trees that grow in environments where they

00:48:48.460 face a lot of wind stressors develop stronger roots. They develop stronger trunks. The trees that don't

00:48:56.860 grow in such environments are very brittle, meaning that for many systems, including, for example, our immune

00:49:03.900 system, for it to function maximally and optimally, it needs to face stressors. So for something to be

00:49:12.460 truthful, it needs to be put to the test. And then if it's still standing, then it probably has some

00:49:18.220 veracity. But when you say this can't be criticized, for example, Matt talked about Islamophobia.

00:49:25.420 That is a perfect manifestation of something that is antithetical to nature. You want to criticize

00:49:30.460 Judaism? Go at it 24 hours a day. I'm strong enough in my personhood that it's not going to bother me

00:49:36.380 whether you criticize Judaism. So once you say that you can't criticize this idea or this ideology,

00:49:43.980 you're going down an Orwellian hellhole. The power of satire, this is actually something that's very

00:49:51.820 powerful because, as many of you know, one of the tools I use to try to demonstrate the lunacy is to

00:49:57.900 satirize something. That's why dictators usually try to go after the ones with the sharp tongues

00:50:05.500 and the spicy pen before the guys will have big muscles. But guys with the big muscles are easy to

00:50:11.900 handle. The ones who have the sharp tongue, those threaten my reign, right? And so let me read you this

00:50:17.500 quote, incredible quote by a, I think he's a German philosopher. How much truth is contained in something

00:50:23.900 can be best determined by making it thoroughly laughable and then watching to see how much

00:50:29.260 joking around it it can take. For truth is a matter that can stand mockery, that is freshened

00:50:35.980 by any ironic gesture directed at it. Whatever cannot stand satire is false. Memorize that quote. One last

00:50:43.500 slide. I won't read you the entire passage, but I will explain what it means, activate your inner

00:50:50.620 honey badger. Some of you have probably heard me mention this many times. It's in the last chapter

00:50:55.420 of the parasitic mind. To activate your inner honey badger basically means, well, first of all, why am I

00:51:01.740 using the honey badger? Well, the photo explains it. These big lions are actually intimidated by the

00:51:09.340 honey badger that is incredibly smaller than them. And it's the size of a small to medium-sized dog,

00:51:16.540 but it is so ferocious that lions will cross to the other side of the street and not mess with it.

00:51:21.820 So when I say activate your inner honey badger, I'm not imploring you to be violent, physically violent.

00:51:27.260 I'm imploring you to not be these cowardly, meek folks sucking your thumb in a corner in a fetal

00:51:32.940 position and not ever fighting against these parasitic ideas. I'm not a tall person, but I'm

00:51:38.860 the tallest person when it comes to defending the truth. Thank you very much.

00:51:55.420 Well, always entertaining a real tour de force the way he puts complex ideas into such a digestible

00:52:02.220 form and does it in such an entertaining way. I wish I had those skills. Well, last but not least,

00:52:07.900 we have Bacha Ungar-Sargon who will take the floor. Thanks.

00:52:21.260 Thank you so much for having me. Man, listening to these two guys makes me really proud to be an

00:52:27.420 American. I have to say, much to agree with, much to disagree with,

00:52:37.740 here. I'm no fan of wokeness, which I say because it might sound like I'm about to defend it,

00:52:47.260 just because I heard some things that didn't quite sit right with me.

00:52:53.500 I'm very focused on my country. I'm a big patriot. Probably should pay more attention to what's going

00:53:01.420 on in other countries. I only found out about these grooming gangs because Elon Musk decided to tweet

00:53:09.740 about it. And he tweeted about it to distract from the fact that he had majorly pissed off the MAGA base,

00:53:21.180 Donald Trump's supporters, by suggesting that we're not bringing in enough H-1B visa holders to replace

00:53:28.060 American workers. And this, to me, is a bit of a synecdoche for the anti-woke movement.

00:53:38.060 Because the truth is, as you've just heard, some elites love wokeness and some elites really love

00:53:47.980 anti-wokeness. The elites that love wokeness love it. And I'm going to get into a deep dive into why that

00:53:55.420 is, but because it gives them power. And the elites that love the anti-wokeness love it because if you are

00:54:04.860 an elite and you hate wokeness, it lets you believe that you are the real victim here. It's very similar

00:54:15.820 to the woke mindset. And I think in the way Matthew was talking, I shouldn't say this because he's not

00:54:23.100 here to defend himself. But you could sense the thrill that a person who has a lot of power and a

00:54:30.780 lot of position gets from getting to see themselves as the victim. And I think you see that in a lot of

00:54:40.220 the anti-woke sentiment. And I say that not, I hate wokeness too. I hate it. It's bad. And listening to

00:54:48.700 the chronicles of what wokeness or alleged wokeness has been able to get away with in the UK and in

00:54:53.740 Canada, wow, it sounds really bad. Certainly we don't have problems like that because we have a

00:54:59.020 First Amendment. But you guys have never had a First Amendment. It's not it's not wokeness that is the

00:55:04.540 reason that you don't have the same free speech rights as America. But that's how it's getting

00:55:10.460 portrayed. It seems like you have a policing problem with certain populations.

00:55:15.340 That's also not the result of wokeness. That's a policing problem. In fact, in America,

00:55:24.140 Muslims are some of the most anti-woke people because they don't want pornography in their

00:55:29.740 children's schools. And in fact, before the war in Gaza sort of exploded this, there was a really

00:55:34.380 beautiful coalition forming, bringing together very religious Muslims and very religious Christians

00:55:40.380 to fight the trans movement. So, you know, just to me, a lot of what is getting portrayed as the

00:55:48.300 result of wokeness is the result of other ways in which other countries are not as good as mine,

00:55:55.100 obviously. No, I'm sorry, I couldn't resist that. But, you know, I think that not having a First

00:56:03.420 Amendment is being used to justify saying some actually hateful things. Now, I think hate speech

00:56:10.220 in my country is protected speech. But to question whether citizens of your country are incompatible

00:56:18.220 with the values of your country because of their faith is disgusting. That's, to me, as an American,

00:56:25.100 like the whole point of the First Amendment is we justify, you can say whatever you want, but to

00:56:31.340 question, I'm a religious Jew, I'm an Orthodox Jew. If somebody said, oh, are religious Jews who are

00:56:38.700 American citizens because they're going to start outnumbering white people, like suddenly we're

00:56:44.940 going to question whether Judaism is incompatible with, you know, American values? I mean, you've all

00:56:51.100 read the Bible. There's stuff in there that's certainly not consistent with the First Amendment.

00:56:56.060 That's disgusting. That's a despicable thing to say. Now, I would defend all of your right to say

00:57:01.340 that, but that doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it just. It doesn't make it good. It doesn't

00:57:07.820 make it moral to say that just because you guys should consider having a First Amendment. Okay.

00:57:14.940 Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. All right. What is wokeness? So, honestly, listening to these guys

00:57:19.980 talk, like, wokeness in America is a bit of a joke. Like, we never used it to, like, put people in

00:57:25.100 prison or what have you. Wokeness in America, to me, is a big smoke screen for the real divide in

00:57:34.060 America, which is the class divide. So, how I would define wokeness is it's when you take a worldview that

00:57:43.100 should be based on right versus wrong. You know, the Judeo-Christian Muslim worldview that says that

00:57:50.860 there is virtue and there is vice. There are good things and there are bad things. And people should

00:57:56.060 strive to do good and strive to be good and strive to abhor bad. And you replace that and say the only

00:58:03.740 divide that matters is who has more power and who has less power. And the more powerful is bad. And the

00:58:11.340 less powerful is good. It re-ascribes virtue to abjection, to powerlessness. Okay? And then what

00:58:20.140 they did was they would take, well, how do you figure out who has more power and who has less power?

00:58:24.940 Oh, the person who has, you know, who is a racial minority has less power by definition. Ergo, they are

00:58:31.100 inherently virtuous. And white people have more power and ergo they are inherently evil, right? Compromised

00:58:39.020 morally. Or you take the gender thing. You know, women have less power, although women have kind of been

00:58:45.100 thrown out for the trans, right? So, we kind of, you know, our time, you know, as abject and powerless

00:58:51.020 is over. We're now part of, like, the powerful majority and thus, you know, inherently compromise

00:58:55.820 and have to cede everything to a more marginalized. So, that's wokeness. It started in the university.

00:59:03.980 It starts with Hegel. He had this idea of the master-slave dialectic that, which Marx used to

00:59:10.940 argue that between two people, you know, there can never be real equality. There was always some

00:59:15.580 exploitative relationship. And then you had the critical theorists who brought that into culture.

00:59:20.620 And then in the American context, because we racialized everything, we racialized it. And you

00:59:23.900 got critical race theory and critical gender theory. It would have stayed in the university as a sort of

00:59:30.540 cuckoo, cockamamie, you know, weird way of looking at the world. Because, of course, we all know people

00:59:36.060 who we have equal and loving relationships with. It's, like, obviously not true that you can't have an

00:59:41.340 equal relationship with someone because they have darker skin than you. Like, it's obvious nonsense.

00:59:45.740 So, we would have stayed in academia where a lot of the nonsense stays. But it got mainstreamed

00:59:51.420 because it was in the interests of the elites to mainstream it. It was a complete smoke screen for

01:00:00.460 the ways in which liberals and the left and the Democrats were creating an economy that was an

01:00:09.020 upward funnel of wealth from the working class into their own pockets. And that's why I think wokeness is

01:00:17.020 really on the way out. Because under Trump, what we're really seeing is sort of the revolt of the

01:00:21.660 people. It's a populist revolution. It's like the twilight of the elites. And they know it. And that's

01:00:27.020 that's what this whole Harvard thing is about. Is he's waging class warfare on behalf of the forgotten

01:00:33.820 working class who have seen their wages in this upward funnel, you know, into the pockets of, like,

01:00:40.140 Harvard graduates? And that's over now. It's like it's very clear that that that moment has passed for

01:00:46.700 us in the United States. But the reason that it was mainstreamed was because if you think back to the

01:00:54.140 1970s, which is sort of was the high watermark in terms of working class purchasing power, working class

01:01:01.740 power both politically, but also economically as an economic block, effectively 25 percent of America's

01:01:12.380 economy in the 70s was in manufacturing, which is why manufacturing is so important to Trump.

01:01:17.980 60 percent of the wealth in our country was in the middle class, which is sort of how you build a

01:01:25.900 stable democracy. You cannot have a stable democracy without a stable middle class.

01:01:30.780 If you look at today, 20 percent, which is the largest sector of our economy, is in finance and

01:01:36.540 real estate, meaning the assets that are held by the rich. And 60 percent of the wealth is held by the

01:01:43.020 top 10 percent. Now that top 10 percent, it used to be was Republicans. But today, over 65 percent of

01:01:51.020 people in America who make over $500,000 a year are Democrats. And nine of the 10 richest counties are

01:01:57.260 Democrats. And 75 percent of hedge fund donations go to Democrats. Wall Street chose the Democrats

01:02:03.980 three election cycles in a row over Donald Trump, who they hate because, contrary to everything you

01:02:08.780 hear, the elites hate him because he's waging class warfare on them. And they know it. And the working

01:02:14.620 class knows it, which is why they keep voting for him. And it was easy to miss this in 2015 because it was

01:02:21.660 mostly the white working class. But over the last three election cycles, all but three majority black

01:02:29.100 counties shifted to the right. 46 percent of Hispanics voted for Trump and 56 percent of Hispanic men.

01:02:39.900 25 percent of black men. The working class, the multi-racial working class is moving,

01:02:48.060 I wouldn't say to the Republican Party, it's probably not interesting at all to you guys,

01:02:52.060 the differences between the MAGA movement and the Republican Party. But

01:02:56.300 that sort of started to make the edifice crumble because the Democrats had used the woke language around

01:03:04.140 race to mask the ways in which they were lining their pockets, literally lining their pockets

01:03:14.940 with wages that should have gone to their working class neighbors. And they did this in a bunch of

01:03:20.620 ways. They did it with open border policies. So for working class people, immigration is not a cultural

01:03:27.900 issue the way it is for elites. It is a very real economic issue. And it's because labor,

01:03:33.420 like everything else, adheres to the ironclad law of supply and demand. The more you have of something,

01:03:39.980 the cheaper it is. And the less you have of something, the dearer it is. And if you are in the elites

01:03:45.820 and you have a soul, you should want the labor of your working class neighbors to pay a living wage.

01:03:53.580 But instead what happened was they had this mass open border policy endorsed in my country by both sides

01:03:59.980 and imported just millions and millions of people to compete with working class people in working

01:04:05.180 class industries so that they could no longer afford to feed their families. They had NAFTA which

01:04:10.460 was a free trade, a disastrous free trade deal which said that, oh you know what, we'll just move all of

01:04:17.180 these great manufacturing jobs over to China to build up their middle class. And what's supposed to

01:04:22.460 happen to our working class people? Oh well then they defunded vocational training and said well

01:04:27.500 they'll all go to college. Which is of course ridiculous. Our economy is already over producing

01:04:32.780 college educated people by a hundred percent. So fifty percent of degree holders are underemployed.

01:04:38.540 They're not even using their degree. It was just a way to make more Democrats because of course having

01:04:43.260 a degree is like the number one predictor for being a Democrat. Of course that also failed.

01:04:49.500 So free trade immigration and defunding vocational training, the Pell Grants, the upward transfer of

01:04:54.940 wealth, Harvard University getting two billion dollars of taxpayer dollars a year even though

01:05:00.140 they have a 56 billion dollar endowment. It's disgusting. But they needed an alibi, right?

01:05:06.940 They were doing all this. They were lining their pockets. Like instead of having to pay their neighbor

01:05:11.820 a living wage to watch their children, they were able to now get an illegal immigrant to do it.

01:05:17.740 Instead of having to pay an American worker's value to buy a car or a washing machine,

01:05:24.140 they could buy one that was produced by Uyghurs for slave labor. So what's supposed to happen to

01:05:28.860 those people? Well they developed this. They saw in the university, and this happened mostly through

01:05:34.460 the media. It's what my first book is about. They saw the perfect alibi for that. Oh well the working

01:05:40.380 class is racist. That's why they don't want an open border. We have so much. Why shouldn't we share

01:05:47.660 with the rest of the world? Well you have so much because you stole from your working class neighbor.

01:05:52.620 So this is where wokeness came in. Oh suddenly men are upset that they can't use their physical

01:06:00.620 bodies and brawn to provide for their families. Oh didn't you know that masculinity is toxic?

01:06:06.940 You're poison if you want to feed your family. Right? These languages were an alibi

01:06:16.620 to justify the pillaging of the working class by a newly minted upper middle class which became the top

01:06:26.540 10 percent the elites. That to me is why wokeness flourished. It is also this this is why Trump won.

01:06:37.420 Why he's so popular. I think if if you don't live in America the foreign policy you see a lot of that.

01:06:44.300 You see a lot of the fighting wokeness. But you don't I think it's very hard to understand that the

01:06:50.860 economic agenda. The I'm going to close that border and we're going to put a 10 percent tariff on the

01:06:57.420 UK and they're going to be happy about it. And Keir Starmer is going to call on the phone and say

01:07:02.620 please sir can I have some more. Right? More tariffs. Right? Like that that what that means to the

01:07:09.660 struggling rust belt in my country where people are committing death by suicide and fentanyl overdoses

01:07:15.660 to see a president say to Wall Street oh yeah I'm going to crash your economy. I don't work for you.

01:07:22.060 It's not your you you had you had your time. Um this stuff is so unbelievably important. I'll just

01:07:27.740 give one example which is um there was an ad that went viral that everybody thought oh this is why

01:07:34.460 Trump won. It was because of fighting wokeness. Um he had an ad and it was a video of Kamala Harris

01:07:40.380 saying that she believes that um taxpayer dollars should be used to fund the transgender surgeries

01:07:47.580 for prison inmates. For illegal immigrants who are prisoners or in detention. And the Trump ad said

01:07:55.340 Kamala Harris is for they them. Donald Trump is for you. It's a great ad. Um and everybody thought oh

01:08:02.300 this cements it. This is why he won because he's fighting the trans. But I think if you look a little

01:08:09.340 do a little close reading there you'll see that the the thing about that was not that people have a

01:08:15.260 problem with a person deciding that they're in the wrong gender and taking their own money and changing

01:08:20.060 their body. What people liked about that ad was that she was saying no I'm taking your money at a time

01:08:27.500 when you don't have enough and you can't feed your family and I'm taking that money and giving it to a

01:08:34.140 prisoner who's jumped the line who does not like for this frivolous thing that you don't even really

01:08:41.100 believe in. That was an economic ad um and I think that that's something that gets so here's like my

01:08:46.940 inner Marxist coming out because I tend to see things through this like materialist lens um but you know

01:08:52.460 coming back to this you know Elon Musk and the grooming gangs and all of that him using that to

01:08:58.460 distract from the ways in which he was trying to get Trump to undermine the American worker by advocating

01:09:06.380 for more H-1B visas. I think a lot of the anti-woke language is like that's what it's doing it's a

01:09:15.340 distraction from the fact that a lot of us have benefited at the expense of people who work much harder

01:09:22.140 than us and it's godless and um that I think is a is why this woke movement in America has really passed

01:09:32.140 because that moral decrepitude of the elites not just that they believe in this worldview that allows

01:09:40.060 them to justify horrible things um but like that that worldview itself is used to justify the pillaging

01:09:47.740 of people who work so much harder than them like when you understand that you really can see through

01:09:53.100 that whole matrix and I think that's what makes this kind of thing move on is when we really put

01:09:58.620 the needs of the people who are our neighbors who have few opportunities than us ahead of ours thank you

01:10:10.380 okay

01:10:10.780 okay i i we've got we've got we're going to have a period of discussion here and i think you know the

01:10:19.980 the first thing that jumps out at me just from you know what's been said god and bacha is we heard

01:10:27.100 marx mentioned and hegel mentioned right so if if i were to say i'd say you know bacha has the kind of

01:10:34.860 neo-marxist type argument around material conditions and god has the more hegelian

01:10:40.700 argument around ideas or idea pathogens and they're very different arguments right about why

01:10:46.700 why woke is here one says it's kind of an elite well if not conspiracy at least some kind of an

01:10:52.380 intentional desire to deceive people through the use of some sort of um false consciousness as marx

01:11:00.060 would put it you know you're pulling the wool down over their eyes to distract them god it's much more

01:11:06.060 no this is actually an an idea pathogen that's getting in people's brains that's being spread

01:11:11.260 around like covid which is a much more bottom-up idea and much less of a top-down idea and i just wonder

01:11:18.940 whether how you two feel about that characterization i mean is this really a matter of a top-down economic

01:11:26.940 thing or is it is it a bottom-up cultural thing uh who wants to go take that um i'm not gonna exactly

01:11:34.780 answer it but i'm going to say something that i hope will be interesting um i am a populist because

01:11:41.980 i'm obviously very in love with my country and the people of my country and the working class of my

01:11:46.220 country um i'm working on my third book which is about um jews in my country and obviously for me

01:11:53.580 it's inseparable um there's never been a country like the united states when it comes to

01:11:59.660 to jews um the american people are fundamentally philo semitic in nature they're very protective

01:12:05.500 of their jewish population they're quite pro-israel um although of course right now we're having a

01:12:11.180 question a very legitimate question about how much we should be funding other countries

01:12:15.180 um and i think to me um there's just this inherent tolerance and and for for for

01:12:23.500 not just jews but the the history there i mean it was easier to be a jew in america than to be a

01:12:30.540 catholic for much of american history people don't know that um a lot of the values my country was

01:12:36.460 founded on was founded with the idea of jews in mind so the swapping out religious tolerance for

01:12:42.300 religious liberty the difference being that tolerance implies that your neighbors must tolerate you but

01:12:47.980 liberty implies that this is something god gave us and that if you want to be right by your god you

01:12:52.700 protect the religious liberty of your neighbor of course this comes back to the first comment that

01:12:57.420 i made so i think in my mind um i'll always have i'll always be defending my people the american people

01:13:05.420 and i i just fundamentally don't to me even the anti-semitism we're seeing right now is so um

01:13:13.260 limited to people think that the college campus activism is like the tip of an iceberg but it isn't

01:13:18.940 it's the whole iceberg right there it is the whole damn iceberg and so i i don't really see these

01:13:24.860 ideas spreading and in fact the opposite i think it was working class blacks and hispanics who really

01:13:31.020 cured america of wokeness because they were just like this does not represent us this is not how we

01:13:36.620 talk the great awokening was this moment where white progressives were more extremist in their views on

01:13:43.420 race than black americans and hispanic americans so like to me all of that is evidence um like deep in

01:13:51.500 the psyche of american people that suggests that there is this inherent resistance to bad ideas

01:13:58.460 and that they are actually the inoculation and that's why america is healing itself is because

01:14:03.180 trump has given them a voice he's given the working class a voice again to voice its inherent um good

01:14:09.180 goodness so i'll slightly reframe your question so i can reframe your question as why are these

01:14:17.260 parasitic ideas so alluring why would someone actually believe them and so i think i have a

01:14:24.060 pretty convincing argument so if you look at say cancer there are many many forms of cancer that behave

01:14:30.220 many very differently from each other but one thing that is common to all cancers is that they they

01:14:35.900 involve the unchecked division of cells so that so there's at least one fundamental similarity across

01:14:42.300 all cancers so what is that fundamental similarity across all of the parasitic ideas that i talk about

01:14:48.460 and so i argue in the book that each of those ideas starts off from a noble place but then in the

01:14:55.900 service of the pursuit of that noble objective if i have to metamorphosize the idea into something that

01:15:03.020 is very degenerate so be it so it's a consequentialist ethic so for example equity feminism is a great

01:15:10.060 idea it basically says that men and women should be treated equally under the law and so probably

01:15:16.060 everybody in this room would say yeah sign me up i'm an equity feminist but then radical feminists come

01:15:20.780 along and say if we are to eradicate the sexist status quo the evil patriarchy we need to now promulgate

01:15:29.260 a message that says that there are no innate sex differences all sex differences are socially

01:15:34.860 constructed men and women are indistinguishable from each other and so what started off as a good

01:15:41.980 noble idea men and women should be equal under the law becomes men and women are indistinguishable from

01:15:47.340 each other and i can show that each of those parasitic ideas has a similar structure it starts off from a

01:15:53.580 noble reflex reflex and then it metamorphosizes into bullshit

01:16:01.260 right right i mean just and just i guess on a on a on a separate note or i guess coming back at both of

01:16:07.260 you i mean to try and be be challenging here um so this idea of falsifiability is central to science

01:16:15.020 and and so the one of the questions might be how can your theory be falsified so if i'm talking about

01:16:21.980 bacha you know if we take matt goodwin i think that he's really opposed to woke because he doesn't

01:16:28.380 like its impact on free speech pursuit of truth social cohesion and all of these other things

01:16:33.580 you know so i will take that view now if the view is well or or him or perhaps some member of the

01:16:40.220 democratic party that well they're they don't really believe in this but they're just doing it

01:16:45.260 instrumentally for their class interest now that could be the case but how would i

01:16:51.340 prove one way or another whether they genuinely believe this stuff or whether it's instrumental

01:16:56.380 so for you and then for god it's similar question right so uh if you know decide it could be that

01:17:02.380 their minds have been zombified by this idea of pathogen right but but it could also perhaps be the

01:17:08.700 case that you know they genuinely they think this is the version of the good life they're not completely

01:17:14.300 taken over they are perhaps subject to reasoning or persuasion i do have my doubts with a lot of

01:17:20.460 them but but but i guess the question is could could your theories or could your frameworks potentially

01:17:27.180 be falsified by any kind of evidence what evidence would it take to convince you that your explanation

01:17:32.700 wasn't right yeah so the issue of whether these folks truly believe the nonsense that they spread

01:17:41.500 or whether in the deep recess of their mind they don't it i actually believe both are possible it

01:17:47.260 depends on which person we're talking about so i think for example the original post-modernists knew

01:17:54.060 that they were willfully espousing pure and as a matter of fact michelle foucault admitted to that so in a

01:18:02.620 in a classic conversation with or in an infamous conversation with john seal the american philosopher john

01:18:09.340 seal said to him michelle how come when i read your stuff it seems a lot more impenetrable but when

01:18:15.900 i speak to you you seem to make a lot more sense and he said something to the effect of you know if

01:18:21.900 you need to kind of confuse people in france otherwise they don't think that it is profound which is

01:18:28.700 which is literally the argument that i i exactly had espoused prior to knowing of that dialogue so

01:18:35.180 imagine jacques derrida gets up in front of a crowd or jack lacan or all those idiots and uh they

01:18:41.420 start espousing stuff in front of an audience where the audience is kind of looking at them in an

01:18:46.380 admiring way well that's a real grift that i can get going i can be invited to princeton and cornell and

01:18:52.060 say nonsense and yet somehow it must be profound so there is that camp but then there is another camp that

01:18:58.380 is truly parasitized so and and so queers for palestine i mean there's no other mechanism that

01:19:04.780 you could explain that right but the other thing i would say so i've had conversations with obgyns

01:19:11.180 obstetricians gynecologists who were dead set against the transphobia that i was spreading by arguing

01:19:20.300 that men cannot menstruate as a matter of fact one obgyn told me i went to medical school you didn't

01:19:28.460 men do menstruate so does that sound like someone who is believing her nonsense or not now and those

01:19:35.500 exchanges happen in a public forum i have a pretty big platform and so you're going to look like an

01:19:41.900 idiot if you actually don't believe these things but she was perfectly proud to say that this is

01:19:46.540 insane of course men can menstruate so i think it's a bit of both some of them don't really believe it

01:19:51.660 but stand to benefit from the the signaling others truly have been zombified right right thanks a lot

01:19:57.420 yeah that did you want to come well i i'm not so interested in like the motivations but i just

01:20:05.020 think it's very interesting that like people were not very worried about like free speech in england when

01:20:11.020 like only extremely wealthy people had access to education for example or like like there was no

01:20:17.180 first amendment like 30 years ago either and it wasn't like this thing that people were

01:20:22.460 they're they're talking about it now because okay i mean i said i'm not really interested in why but

01:20:28.700 i guess that would be how i would falsify it i would be like a lot of these things are constants

01:20:33.100 but they were not interested in them um now that they are interested in them it's a lot like the me

01:20:39.020 too movement which um it's just undeniable that that was a jobs program for a lot of women right

01:20:44.300 because they would complain about their bosses and the boss would get fired and then they would have to

01:20:49.180 put a woman in that job right like so you could say well was she really sexually harassed maybe

01:20:55.340 she still got the job right like it's so the the the the material interests right the ways in which

01:21:00.860 a class can coalesce together um i think that could be independent i guess of motivations i i i think

01:21:08.620 matthew's great i don't mean to suggest that he's not it's just that like the the the idea of like

01:21:13.580 you know when when people make their number one political issue the fact that you know a tiny

01:21:19.740 subset of very elite media jobs are now going to women and people of color okay you know i could

01:21:27.180 see why that would bother you if you're a white man i'm not saying that that that you're not you're wrong

01:21:31.420 to want the like pure meritocracy that held here where you know only the sons of lords would get those

01:21:37.020 jobs for 30 you know 300 years or what have you like but it like if you care about that more than

01:21:44.780 like the dispossession of your neighbors that's not something that i'm gonna think is like a higher

01:21:49.980 you know calling or something okay and and i'll probably just have one more question for discussion

01:21:56.380 and before we start to move to the audience and um i'm interested you know gads from canada where i'm

01:22:02.460 from and i live in britain it's very clear also from what matt said the situations certainly when

01:22:08.540 it comes to wokeness is very different i would say outside the u.s um and and so one but of course in

01:22:15.100 the u.s there's a big kind of dispute between the more classical liberal people who believe in

01:22:21.100 persuasion and who think well you know we can reform institutions like harvard and and you know we can

01:22:28.460 win the argument uh and those who say uh people will not change behavior until the incentives are

01:22:34.140 changed um and i'm just wondering your thoughts both of you on whether um government intervention

01:22:41.980 by let's face it right of center governments whether that's going to be necessary uh in order

01:22:47.900 to reform institutions um and and whether without government intervention and action uh these

01:22:55.340 institutions are just going to carry on as before or whether in fact some kind of battle of ideas or

01:23:01.340 persuasion as advocated by the greg lucianos and stephen pinkers and others whether that actually can

01:23:09.180 move the needle or not um yeah and and just perhaps thinking through from the u.s experience where

01:23:16.940 it's clear that there you know you have corporate leaders you've got some university presidents

01:23:21.580 um some in elite media who seem to have changed their spots but is that because of de santis and

01:23:30.220 trump and october 7th hearings where claudine gay was embarrassed or is that somehow because they

01:23:38.220 genuinely had a rethink because they were persuaded by the harper's letter or an editorial in the washington

01:23:45.260 post against mandatory diversity statements i mean i'd be interested in your thoughts on where the

01:23:49.820 changes come from in the u.s and and what's whether raw power or ideas i mean harvard is a hedge fund

01:23:57.100 with like a university attached to it okay so it's not doing anything out of any pure motives i personally

01:24:02.460 think the humanities are like a complete waste of time at this point especially with ai like there's no

01:24:08.700 way to make sure a kid has not asked ai for an essay they don't need that essay they're not learning

01:24:13.740 anything from forcing themselves to write it they're so politicized like 95 of professors i think in

01:24:20.860 the humanities at harvard are liberals it's just i have a phd in english from berkeley like i know what

01:24:25.580 i'm talking about there's there's nothing of value there from my point of view i think kids are getting

01:24:31.100 a lot more like exposed to a lot more critical thinking on tick tock than they are like at university

01:24:36.780 and so i i just think it's lost like cut it off like stop the only people who care about saving harvard

01:24:42.540 or the people who are like economically invested in maintaining their status as elites and definitely

01:24:48.140 nothing that's happening in the media or at the universities is happening out of pure motivations

01:24:52.700 it's all because of either the profit motive in media because they're just hemorrhaging viewers and

01:24:58.620 hemorrhaging credibility because the whole joe biden cover-up revealed that the media's interests were

01:25:04.620 completely aligned with those of the democratic party so like it's just that that's why they're trying to

01:25:10.220 do this whole like fake reckoning again it's an alibi they don't actually believe in any of the

01:25:15.260 values that they pretend to espouse and certainly the universities right now you look at columbia i'm

01:25:19.740 glad that columbia has stopped allowing like rampant jew hatred to flourish and thrive under you know its

01:25:26.060 seal but they are let's like make no mistake about it they're doing that because donald trump said

01:25:30.620 you want your three billion dollars you know stop with the jew hatred which is i i think a completely

01:25:36.380 like legitimate use of executive power you know i'm i'm torn because on the one hand i am a libertarian

01:25:43.820 and i think okay it'd be nice for these ideas to be fleshed out in a in a you know in a battleground

01:25:50.060 where the good ideas win akin to a darwinian process but to batia's point oftentimes there are

01:25:57.340 through this discussion there are violations to people's rights so if a harvard student can't go to

01:26:04.700 class because they're too afraid to walk to campus or they're literally blocked by a bunch of keffiyeh guys

01:26:10.060 by the way earlier today i my wife and i were invited it was a wonderful honor and privilege to

01:26:15.580 by by a lord to the house of lords and as we got to the entrance of the house of lords there were

01:26:23.020 thousands of free free palestine global intifada and so i had to go and get a police to come

01:26:32.700 because i i figured i was going to be recognized and it'll be literally the worst place for me to be

01:26:37.500 anywhere so in this case i think governmental intervention makes sense you're violating some

01:26:42.940 fundamental right of the individual i don't like when you legislate uh we are no we are now defunding

01:26:50.220 gender studies federal government i prefer that that i idea dies out through a natural organic process so

01:26:59.500 there is room for governmental interventions and there are other places where hopefully

01:27:03.980 guys like me can inoculate the world against stupidity okay all right well that's an admirably

01:27:09.500 libertarian approach i think chris rufo would have words with you but uh um let's

01:27:16.060 i i think it would be good just to get the audience involved um for a few i have many more questions i

01:27:21.500 could ask and engage uh with you but i think um do we have um questions from the audience so we've

01:27:29.740 got i gotta get out of the light here because i can't see properly we've got a question there

01:27:34.140 we'll start with uh connor tomlinson actually

01:27:36.380 oh excellent it is working um professor sad love the show by the way i wanted to direct this to

01:27:47.660 bacha because i can't hear you well pardon i can't hear you well is the microphone is okay okay okay go

01:27:55.900 ahead i'll sorry i wanted to direct this to bacha if that's okay um you said it was disgusting to

01:28:02.060 question whether or not a given faith was compatible with the western values or british

01:28:07.900 culture and you said there's quite a different context in america to what it is here regarding

01:28:13.900 the the grooming gangs i don't know if you know and i'd be interested to hear your response to

01:28:19.020 to this if it changes your mind um in the uk pakistani men are over represented by a share of four

01:28:25.420 in child sex crimes and when the children who have been abused by these gangs come forward and speak

01:28:30.700 about it they say they've been branded with the m for muhammad on themselves they've been subjected

01:28:35.260 to forced quran readings and the families of the rapists have justified the abuse of the girls

01:28:40.700 because they have said they dress immodestly by muslim standards and when they asked the police

01:28:45.020 officers the council workers the politicians why they didn't speak up for this in all of the reports

01:28:49.420 they say for political correctness for community cohesion because they didn't want to upset the muslim

01:28:53.980 community now as well as the security of jews which you mentioned according to the henry jackson

01:28:59.500 society last year only a quarter of british muslims think october the 7th happened like three

01:29:05.660 quarters of them think hamas did nothing wrong and that's mainly concentrated among university educated

01:29:10.860 british-born muslims 18 to 30. so i think we have a very different problem in the uk than we do in the

01:29:16.860 u.s so do you still think it's not possible to say islam is not compatible with britain

01:29:25.820 okay

01:29:32.780 i just i want to take i want to take questions in groups of three and to give them a chance to think

01:29:39.180 about this and then i want to answer that oh do you want to answer that right away okay fine all right

01:29:43.260 all right all right okay like i'm sorry those are your citizens citizenship is the only human right

01:29:51.820 that every person has a right to when you have citizens of your country i'm not arguing that you

01:29:58.620 don't have a cultural problem here in a certain subset of the citizenry of your country but a country is

01:30:06.380 made up of the people who live there who have that legal right you need to work a lot harder on

01:30:13.740 changing hearts and minds because you cannot simply say that a certain citizen of your country

01:30:19.980 is not compatible and by the way we have statistics like that in america there are certain subpopulations

01:30:26.460 who have much more overrepresented in child sex crimes it would never occur to me to suggest that they

01:30:33.020 are less citizens like citizenship is a sacred thing what are you suggesting that they be denaturalized

01:30:41.420 like that is insane that is utter you do not have a democracy if you think you can denaturalize people

01:30:52.620 based on their ideas okay okay all right all right it's good we're going here we're starting to get a

01:31:00.780 debate um i like this um so i'm going to take two questions here from the front uh go ahead and then

01:31:07.260 alan go yeah great yeah hi um yeah i found it very interesting what you were saying about the economic

01:31:17.820 closer okay about the economic side of this because a i'm an economist and b we found the same thing here

01:31:25.100 during the brexit debates where the people who just didn't like their wages being undercut by bulgarians

01:31:31.660 and romanians whose whose wages were two and a half times less than the uk uh were all blamed for

01:31:38.060 being uh racist and told that they were only voting brexit because they were racist rather than the fact

01:31:44.140 that their their economic circumstances were such that they hadn't had a pay rise for 20 years so i i

01:31:51.020 completely understand that but i see woke in the uk at least as slightly different because we have a

01:31:57.420 problem which is very much a sort of parasitic mind situation where our companies now have to obey

01:32:05.820 dei rules and esg rules we have banks that will stop banking with people because they don't like their

01:32:12.300 politics um we have all sorts of people in banks and and the sort of industries the uk was famous

01:32:20.940 for and they're there because they've got purple hair and a pin through their nose and they don't

01:32:27.580 know what sex they are and you know that sort of thing is is not why you you know they might be really

01:32:32.860 good at their job and if they are they're welcome to the job but unfortunately most of them are there

01:32:37.500 not because they're good at their job they're there because they represent some community so i do think

01:32:43.660 we've caught the virus that the mice and the cats get you know i do i do i look at this in the city and

01:32:50.060 think this is the financial capital of the of the universe or it was when i got here and they've

01:32:57.180 lost it they've completely lost it you know um yeah thanks

01:33:05.740 okay yeah i go to alan uh so call who did the original so-called hoax uh paper oh i know this

01:33:12.620 but yeah for me your talk was a breath of fresh air i agree with 70 of it so let me challenge you

01:33:21.820 let me challenge you on the other 30 percent um so two things um i think you correctly lauded our first

01:33:28.860 amendment we and i wish in this country we had protection of freedom of speech as as strongly as

01:33:35.980 we do at least under law in the united states um but then but isn't it true that trump's vendetta

01:33:44.460 against harvard is clearly a violation of the first amendment as well as a violation of the statutes

01:33:51.820 i mean he's cutting off two billion dollars of funding without um following at all the procedures

01:33:59.180 that are laid down by the statute for defunding a university so i think it's clearly a political

01:34:07.740 vendetta it's not government by law second thing you pointed out i think correctly that um wokeness was

01:34:18.380 at least in part a um we can use the word scam if you want to um protect the elite um economically

01:34:31.260 under the guise of social justice um but then you made it sound like trump is fighting for the working

01:34:39.820 class but isn't maybe the anti-wokeness of the trump administration also a scam and in fact the economic

01:34:48.140 the working class is not going to benefit economically and so far all trump has done

01:34:53.820 in his first term was to reduce taxes for the rich and in the second term to increase prices for for

01:35:00.460 for consumers um thank you so okay all right yeah those are two chunky questions we'll let let you guys

01:35:06.300 handle those and then yeah um it's funny because wall street certainly was not worried that the democrats

01:35:14.060 would be better for them than trump right wall street and the rich you know the top whatever

01:35:19.260 of america certainly didn't think trump was going to be better for them right uh uh kamala harris won

01:35:25.180 the majority of americans who make over a hundred thousand dollars a year and trump won the majority

01:35:28.780 of americans who make under a hundred thousand dollars a year now you may say that both the working

01:35:31.900 class and the elites are totally deluded and should have reversed but i don't tend to think about

01:35:36.620 people that way um it's certainly not in you know to the tune of you know 160 million people being

01:35:41.660 completely wrong about which party they chose people often say trump's singular achievement

01:35:45.820 in his first administration in his first term was a tax cut for the wealthy they forget the fact that

01:35:50.460 he completely sealed the border they forget the fact that he imposed um tariffs on chinese steel and

01:35:55.740 aluminum which protected those industries in a really big way they forget the fact that the bottom 25

01:36:00.540 percent saw the first uh wage increases they had seen in six years in fact the bottom 25 saw a

01:36:06.780 four percent wage increase and the top 25 only saw a 2.9 wage increase which is the real reason the

01:36:12.060 democrats hate him so much because he actually shrank the wealth gap he did everything they

01:36:16.860 pretended they were going to do yet he did it and yeah consumer prices on a few things are going up

01:36:22.940 you know iphones so people who buy a new iphone every year people who can afford that sorry people who buy

01:36:28.780 a new bmw every year sorry that's going to cost a little bit more but the cost of the necessities that

01:36:34.620 working class people were struggling to afford under the biden administration gas groceries that

01:36:39.820 stuff is going down in a very radical way and so to me that conflation of luxury goods that are

01:36:45.740 getting tariffed with the we produce 75 percent of the food we consume so the conflation of the luxury

01:36:52.140 goods that the elites want for cheaper which is why we had these terrible trade deals with the necessities

01:36:56.780 that working class people can't live without which are coming down that of course is meant to benefit

01:37:01.020 the elites wall street again and what i found talking to people over the last you know 120 days

01:37:07.420 certainly since liberation day when he imposed the tariffs is you know the people with the least

01:37:12.220 will say to me um so you're telling me i'll pay a little bit more for something but

01:37:17.340 if i make that sacrifice my child will have a better job in the future and be able to afford a home

01:37:22.460 and you think i'm going to say no to that bargain that that's how working class and poor people talk

01:37:27.340 about the tariffs and how you look at how wall street not one of those people will ever not be

01:37:32.380 rich no matter what trump does and oh no my new iphone is going to cost a little more every year

01:37:38.460 again disgusting all right harvard first amendment i just so don't see this as a free speech issue um

01:37:45.820 this is a very liberal mindset that like we're entitled to funding and if you take it away you're

01:37:50.220 hurting our free speech you know we are npr we have a right to the funding to the to the public

01:37:55.820 taxpayer dollars despite the fact that we're like flaming leftists who hate the working class

01:38:00.460 no you don't you're not entitled to it you're not entitled to anything if you are operating in good

01:38:05.980 faith in the public good the the american people out of the goodness of their hearts said we're going

01:38:11.260 to give you two billion dollars a year oh turns out you're using that money to fund the future

01:38:15.420 operatics of the ccp xi jinping's daughter goes to harvard harvard is known by the chinese communist

01:38:22.140 party as the party school and you're charging my taxpayer dollars to pay for that but to me the

01:38:28.140 idea that it's a free speech issue to say no and they gave harvard a list of things that they were

01:38:33.740 a list of things here's our negotiating position we want information about any foreign student who

01:38:38.940 committed a crime seems reasonable we want to make sure that you're not justifying the harassment and

01:38:44.940 anti-semitism against jewish students seems reasonable we want it i mean a whole list of things

01:38:50.220 some of them i agree with you were first amendment i would have had problems with but that was a

01:38:54.380 starting negotiating point and they simply refused so sorry we're cutting you off no and honestly this

01:39:00.780 is not just morally justified i think it's legally justified it is political genius this is there's

01:39:07.420 only one thing that's less popular with the american people than those venezuelan gang bangers that they

01:39:12.220 ship back from del salvador and it's harvard and there's only one thing that's less popular than harvard and

01:39:17.660 it's you know the future operatics of the chinese communist party who got those spots instead of

01:39:21.900 poor black kids and poor working class kids across the country thank you for the questions

01:39:31.660 gad do you want to come in on any of those or should we move to the next uh no okay i by the i have just

01:39:38.060 learned a new usage of the term party school okay i i went to i went to the university of western ontario

01:39:43.340 was known as a party school but anyway um okay um right we have one here and uh we'll take one

01:39:51.100 at the back go ahead this man in the orange here um thank you um i've got a question about one aspect

01:40:01.100 of the woke mind uh i'm a lawyer so i'm particularly interested in this i specialize in employment law

01:40:06.780 and discrimination law this is of central interest to me um the the woke karate often espouse the law

01:40:13.820 and say we must uphold it we've got to uphold the law and i agree with that being a lawyer particularly

01:40:20.140 international humanitarian law which seems a big thing you know it's supreme it's above domestic law

01:40:27.420 it's difficult then isn't it when they have a law which comes down from the supreme court

01:40:31.980 i'm talking about a ruling on the trans matter which ruled that sex was biological uh rather

01:40:38.380 than psychological and they didn't like it so what they decided to do was ignore it and i'm thinking

01:40:44.940 about some major institutions like nhs trusts and banks private institutions like banks they don't like

01:40:52.620 it so they're saying we're going to carry on as we are or the weasel words we're going to seek

01:40:57.900 clarity on it you've got clarity on it it's called a supreme court judgment what's your view on that

01:41:03.740 is it just purely schizophrenia uh so okay i'm not sure i'm going to answer exactly what you said because

01:41:10.940 maybe i'm getting old but i'm having a hard time hearing a lot of what i'm having a hard time

01:41:14.700 hearing what you're saying i mean not specifically you everybody the microphones are pointed that way

01:41:18.940 that's it so but i'm going to take a thread from your legal perspective and then link it to the

01:41:23.900 the first gentleman who talked about the incompatibility with certain religions with with the

01:41:28.140 western tradition i'm a scientist so i think very analytically okay so take for example sharia law

01:41:38.620 right in sharia law it says that a crime will be punished differently as a function of the identity

01:41:49.740 of the perpetrator and the victim so if a jewish man were to kill a muslim man it wouldn't be the

01:41:57.100 same penalty as if it were reversed i can give you all of the sources that support that sharia ruling

01:42:03.500 god i have some bad news for you about the talmud i'm sorry

01:42:11.660 but i'll i'll i'll ignore that for a second uh so that said

01:42:17.020 you take a fundamental principle from uh lady justice being blind where you don't do that in

01:42:25.100 american jurisprudence those two realities are antithetical to each other i'm not aware of too

01:42:30.940 many talmud that to the talmudic extremists who are trying to well exactly it's a political problem

01:42:36.380 it's not a religious problem uh 90 of islam is political islam about 10 of it is spiritual

01:42:43.500 so political islam is a fundamental feature of islam there is no islamism or islam there's just

01:42:50.780 islam erdogan the turkish president has said so 75 000 other islamic clerics have said exactly the same

01:42:58.780 thing so and we don't have many people who are trying to infuse talmudic principles within american

01:43:05.340 jurisprudence we are seeing in the west an incursion in of sharia principles that is

01:43:12.860 incompatible so i don't think muslims are incompatible with the west because i may have a

01:43:18.940 lot more in common with a muslim secularist than i might have with an orthodox jew so to say muslims

01:43:26.300 are not around the west i would completely disagree with but are there tenets of islam to your point

01:43:33.020 that are perfectly incompatible with the west nothing could be clearer a three-day-old pigeon understands that

01:43:42.860 okay um we'll go here and then there at the end go ahead yeah

01:43:57.580 we're in england and i'm not an englishman i'm here as a guest in this country and as a

01:44:05.020 part of a guest community in this country we have to behave ourselves if i had guests in my house

01:44:10.860 and expect them to behave themselves and if they didn't and they started doing all sorts of awful

01:44:15.980 things to my sister for example they'd be kicked out of the house we need to understand that citizenship

01:44:23.180 is not actually that important what's more important than citizenship is that is is inheritance and the

01:44:29.020 english have inherited this land this is their land we're here not as a right we're here at their at

01:44:34.540 their preference and it and if a community doesn't understand that they've got no right to be here at

01:44:40.380 it's all

01:44:45.340 i think that's one of the saddest things i've ever heard and i'm going to be haunted by the spectacle

01:44:50.620 of you standing there and saying that if someone in my country said that i would ask myself what

01:44:55.660 i'm doing wrong i mean the idea that a citizen would call themselves a guest based on their religion

01:45:02.700 is horrific to me the whole point of my country is that that is completely anathema if somebody

01:45:08.940 made a jew feel that way in my country i would i don't even know what i would do to them that's i

01:45:13.420 will be haunted by that first for a long time okay okay we've got uh somebody over there uh at the far

01:45:21.900 end and wow okay we'll take one here uh can you hear me yeah yeah thank you very much um eric i have uh

01:45:36.380 followed your work online and i saw one of your debates with nathan kofnas uh on the subject of

01:45:41.580 race realism and i wonder if that is not a relevant talking point to this evening's debate

01:45:50.940 particularly with respect to its being a potential antidote to wokeness just to recap race realism is

01:45:57.980 this idea substantiated by academic research which much of which is currently taboo but that there are

01:46:06.220 group differences between peoples and these group differences may go some way to explaining some of

01:46:12.860 the observations that the woke uh the woke advocates are making observations which are themselves correct

01:46:21.100 uh for example the differences in our incarceration rates say in the united states um in your debate eric

01:46:29.500 uh one of the questions was about maintaining the noble lie this idea that uh all groups of peoples are

01:46:38.220 essentially the same and that this noble lie is important to protect civilization western civilization

01:46:45.180 in the world more generally against fascism um so i'd just like to ask the question uh i'd be interested

01:46:55.180 to know the the other panelists view view on this to what extent is race realism um a credible antidote

01:47:03.180 to wokeness and in line with some of gad's recommendations to what extent should we be talking about it

01:47:09.740 okay this i think takes some unpacking because you may not be familiar with this debate with nathan

01:47:16.380 kaufnas this is this idea that there's a correlation with race and iq and because of persistent racial

01:47:24.620 inequality and because there's no other explanation over time the only remaining explanation has been to

01:47:31.660 invent the idea of systemic racism as a sort of way of coping with this gap and therefore we should

01:47:39.580 recognize this gap and therefore we wouldn't have wokeness now i argued against that position

01:47:45.420 uh and and you know mainly because i think if it were as rational as that in the sense you would

01:47:52.060 expect for example the first move to say um okay we need to emphasize the black family getting back

01:47:58.860 together we need to emphasize phonics learning and we need to deal with criminality uh and bad uh behavior

01:48:06.540 in class in order to get the black at least to give culture a shot at narrowing this gap um and also

01:48:12.380 i just felt it was more irrational the nature of woke was it was more driven by unreason rather than

01:48:18.540 actually something as as well thought out as that but it's it's an it is a debate nathan kaufnas who

01:48:26.060 who i do respect and who is a a very respected intellectual he makes the point you know he argues and i know some other argue as well that

01:48:33.100 um the non-recognition of this race realism point is really what underlies the rise of woke thoughts

01:48:40.220 i have a personal story regarding race-based differences so arguably the most infamous psychologist

01:48:49.740 to have studied this actually comes from university of western ontario do you know who it is i do because

01:48:54.700 i was going to university of western ontario when he was in that debate phil rushton yes sir so in 1996

01:49:02.140 a recently minted phd i was back then i was presenting at a conference and it was very

01:49:09.260 sort of vanilla stuff that i was going to do about you know cognitive psychology and decision

01:49:13.740 making and so on and i in my session i noticed there were maybe a thousand five hundred people in

01:49:18.860 the audience and it was very very electric very very uh i mean tense audience and i hadn't done

01:49:26.620 my homework and looking who were the other speakers in my session i knew that they weren't there for

01:49:31.980 me because i was a newly minted phd nobody knew who the hell i was and then immediately prior to my

01:49:38.780 taking the podium stands up this gentleman named philip rushton who spent his entire career studying

01:49:45.820 race-based differences typically in iq and as he's presenting and i'm seeing how angry the crowd is

01:49:52.780 getting i'm thinking to myself i'm going to be lynched by proxy next because they're just going

01:49:59.900 to lynch everybody in sight so this was probably the only time when i felt incredibly happy when upon

01:50:05.980 him finishing his talk out of the 1500 that were that were in the audience about 1425 left the room

01:50:14.140 to get him and i said thank god that there are only about 75 people to watch me but to to this general

01:50:21.740 question i've always thought and i mentioned this in my talk today this idea of forbidden knowledge

01:50:28.940 philip rushton or anyone else has the right to study any issue as long as he adheres fully and

01:50:38.380 objectively to the scientific method i've asked some of his colleagues whether he was inherently

01:50:45.020 racist and that's why he decided to study this and the general story or the sort of the unanimous

01:50:51.660 feeling was that no he wasn't in the least bit racist but he thought that it was an interesting

01:50:56.460 question in the same way that there are many cultural and racial differences that are rooted in

01:51:01.740 evolutionary processes there is no reason to think that intelligence wouldn't be such a selected

01:51:07.980 trait and so i can't argue about what is the cause of these differences but i wholeheartedly support

01:51:15.100 that there is not a single issue that shouldn't be studied because it is too corrosive interesting and

01:51:22.300 yeah that i should say that's why nathan nathan kofnis was cancelled not not for advocating these views

01:51:30.060 but actually i think for advocating that these views should be studied that's all but anyway um let's

01:51:35.340 just go to some other questions okay uh we've got uh one i know i've missed one more okay we've got

01:51:43.180 only time for one more i'll ask you gentlemen the blue shirt there thanks

01:51:51.580 it's a question to batia and i really like a sort of a materialist approach to this stuff

01:51:55.900 um there is a class war going on and there's an entirely false economy across the western world

01:52:02.140 in academia you know hugely inflated by debt and people who shouldn't be going to university the

01:52:08.300 whole net zero climate change has created an entirely artificial economy that isn't based on

01:52:13.820 increasing productivity or lowering prices or producing value that other people will pay for

01:52:17.820 the huge administrative state etc etc but there's a massive entrenched interest in this whole layer

01:52:25.660 this whole class of people who have built careers and their livelihoods out of this nonsense so the

01:52:33.500 first question is how are you really going to unroot this you you really do have a class war

01:52:39.660 on your hands and you can see tactically what's happening in the states with trump but strategically

01:52:46.220 how are you really going to effectively replace an entire class of people that are embedded and secondly

01:52:53.980 a new class emerging people who do deliver value people who work for a living and other people pay

01:52:59.980 for it they develop products they work they invent things whatever how do you truly create conditions

01:53:05.500 where that can just expand and thrive and just replace all of this crap because i can't see the

01:53:11.660 tariffs doing that um well you're wrong about the tariffs um they are extremely effective donald trump

01:53:24.460 has already attracted i believe the number the latest number is 10 trillion dollars in manufacturing

01:53:29.180 investment a lot of that is going to go towards things like ai warehousing and they're going

01:53:35.420 to be opening up uh training for working class people to train in ai so that those are working

01:53:42.380 class jobs that you do not need a college degree for um the the the ability of a tariff uh to to to

01:53:50.380 get us back to we probably won't get back to 25 being in manufacturing but to get us back to a place

01:53:57.020 where people who don't go to college can expect to have the most modest version of the american dream and

01:54:03.180 raise a family and dignity and retire and dignity and have adequate health care and all the things

01:54:07.580 that the elites take for granted um i think tariffs are huge i think closing the border is a really big

01:54:14.300 deal limiting the supply of labor so that working class people can demand more i mean really what

01:54:19.260 we're trying to do is get those working class people back into the middle class and you're pointing

01:54:24.300 out to the fact that yeah there's this whole like rent seeking layer we saw trump fire a lot of them

01:54:30.540 about 70 000 took buyouts from various different places under the doge there were you know thousands

01:54:36.460 more who were fired i don't advocate for anybody to be fired but um you're seeing also in corporate

01:54:42.460 america uh just people having had enough of the sort of dei you know the reign of terror um obviously i'm

01:54:50.940 using that word sort of jovially but um people are sick of it um they're sick of being lectured to i think

01:54:56.540 even you know in those areas and so those jobs are kind of they have been already for the lot even

01:55:01.580 before trump was elected sort of dying a quiet death and people are finding you know new ways to be

01:55:07.500 employed the media of the last 10 years has been just in free fall and because of that people have

01:55:13.100 been losing their jobs and finding other ways to employ themselves i tend to see ai as an opportunity

01:55:18.220 rather than something that's going to end up sort of replacing workers um there's a thing called the the

01:55:24.700 javin effect i believe it is um where when something becomes cheaper you think there will be less of

01:55:30.700 it but actually there's an increased demand for it so you know we're not going to need to employ these

01:55:35.820 thousands and thousands of programmers in romania but maybe there will be a higher quality of programmer

01:55:40.940 who will emerge here in conversation with ai technology we separated r d from manufacturing we

01:55:48.940 thought we could do the research and development here and then ship the manufacturing to china

01:55:53.020 but what they basically did was they realized you know the best r d happens on the factory floor

01:55:58.620 quite near it and so there's a lot of opportunity for innovation um the american worker is unsurpassed

01:56:05.500 and so i really think we're looking at um we had calcified into this class warfare as you as you as you

01:56:12.220 pointed out to where you had the elites with their college degrees in the knowledge industry and then

01:56:16.300 working class people who really downwardly mobile and i think the trump administration had a meeting with

01:56:20.700 the department of labor and they're thinking in very creative ways about how to decalcify that and

01:56:25.340 create much more movement between the classes so that there is upward mobility and just very briefly

01:56:31.340 you know another thing that people like to say oh well if trump cares about workers where's his minimum wage

01:56:35.820 bill you know working class people when you talk to my my second book second class is i just traveled

01:56:41.260 around america for a year and interviewed working class people from across the political

01:56:44.380 uh spectrum they were remarkably unified in the views that they had and the issues that they

01:56:50.220 prioritize um they didn't want a minimum wage they didn't see how you could sort of minimum wage your

01:56:55.660 way into home ownership what they wanted was upward mobility and opportunities and that's really i think

01:57:00.940 what we're seeing a lot of thank you well this has um been a very rich con conversation and and uh it

01:57:07.980 it just um i want to thank our speakers um matt goodwin butchungar sargon and god sod uh they've

01:57:16.700 challenged us tonight i like that i like that they didn't just agree with everything um so we're going

01:57:21.420 to have a about a half hour meet and greet um i think um you know by the way please do i don't you may

01:57:27.260 not have seen the the little cards for my course on woke uh those of you who don't know but there it is

01:57:33.740 good man um uh but also there some of us may have some books that we we may be able to sign for you

01:57:39.500 i don't know about you guys but anyway um we've got the meet and greet now please do stick around

01:57:43.980 uh and thanks to our speakers thank you

01:57:50.780 you don't realize how much i need you

01:57:57.740 love you all the time

01:58:04.220 please come on back to me

01:58:13.980 you

01:58:31.820 you

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