The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - My Chat with Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_814)

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00:00:42.600 Hi everybody, this is Gadsad. Unfortunately, I now have to wear glasses even when I look at my guests

00:00:48.840 because that's what happens with the degradation of your visual system. Today I have Hillel Neuer

00:00:54.640 Neuer with me. How are you doing, Hillel? I'm well. How are you? Very, very, very well. I've been a

00:01:01.000 fan of your work since I first saw you in that unbelievable speech about, what, six, seven,

00:01:07.100 eight years ago now. Algeria, where are your Jews? But before I cede the floor to you, let me mention 0.97

00:01:12.220 to the folks who may not know who you are, you're a civil rights lawyer, executive director of UN Watch,

00:01:19.220 which is where I first became familiar with your work. You're the founding chairman of the Geneva

00:01:23.340 Summit for Human Rights and Democracy. Now, this I may be misspeaking, but you may be the first

00:01:29.820 alumnus of Concordia University, which is my home university. We can get into some of the dynamics

00:01:36.620 there. And this I just found out. I think I already knew about your Concordia affiliation.

00:01:41.300 You're a past employee of the Canadian Institute for Jewish Research, where I serve on the academic

00:01:48.940 advisory board originally headed by Federer Krantz. Am I missing anything, Hillel? Or do you want to

00:01:55.420 add anything to your intro? No. First, it's great to be here. And we need you as a defender of Western

00:02:02.180 civilization. And so we're, we live in different places now, although indeed, I'm from Montreal,

00:02:07.920 and I graduated from the university where you've been teaching for many years. I think we missed each

00:02:13.100 other. Did I see that you arrived in 94? I arrived in 94. Exactly. When did you finish?

00:02:17.480 Missed you by a year. I missed you by a year. Not that I knew much about beyond my little world,

00:02:22.640 which was the great Professor Krantz. He had the Liberal Arts College, which he created,

00:02:28.940 which was a terrific, great books program. In a university, which I'm sure we might get to it,

00:02:34.380 but a university has a lot of problems. One of the pearls for humanities folks like me was the

00:02:40.460 Liberal Arts College at Concordia University, the terrific, great books program, sort of boutique.

00:02:47.480 program that Professor Krantz created. And actually, I just was in Jerusalem recently,

00:02:52.680 and I met a graduate from there also. So, so maybe this won't sound nice, but there's a few

00:03:00.020 good folks at Concordia, or from Concordia. And I'm glad that we meet. And I'm sure you're also the

00:03:06.060 first, you know, show that I've done from from a faculty member from Concordia. So it works both

00:03:11.320 ways. And I'm glad that we found each other. That's wonderful. So maybe we could start with

00:03:16.820 UN Watch. And then, you know, there's many places we can go. But just tell us what is UN Watch? How

00:03:22.580 did it start? How did you get involved? And give us the whole scoop. Sure. So UN Watch was founded by

00:03:29.620 a great American. And you called me a civil rights lawyer, which is legitimate. But this person was a

00:03:35.660 civil rights lawyer, by which I mean, he was there from the founding of the civil rights movement in

00:03:41.480 the United States. Morris Abram was a lawyer who grew up in a small town in Georgia, a place called

00:03:46.460 Fitzgerald, Georgia, a real small little place in the deep south. And he became a lawyer, he actually

00:03:54.040 worked on the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, you know, after the war, as a young lawyer, I think he

00:04:00.820 worked with Justice Robert Jackson, if I'm not mistaken, and then came back was a lawyer in

00:04:05.040 Atlanta and began in the 1950s to help a young unknown preacher, activist named Martin Luther

00:04:14.120 King. Wow. And in the 1960s, it was it was in already to be with Martin Luther King. The 1950s

00:04:20.620 in Atlanta, if you were a lawyer, you were not getting any points, you were not winning any clients

00:04:25.420 if you were helping that troublemaker who was getting thrown into prison. So Morris Abram helped him get out

00:04:30.180 of prison. He connected into the Kennedy family. And in the 1960s, Morris Abram was one of the leading

00:04:35.440 civil rights figures, certainly who wasn't black. There's a photo of LBJ called a conference on civil

00:04:43.760 rights at the White House in 1965. And there's a picture of about four or five African Americans,

00:04:49.480 including Martin Luther King, the leaders of the civil rights movement. And there's a tall white guy,

00:04:54.280 Jewish, named Morris Abram. So he did many great things, served presidents in different

00:05:00.020 ways, and eventually was made U.S. ambassador to the United Nations headquarters in Europe,

00:05:05.180 which is in Geneva. So he saw what the U.N. was about. He was someone actually who believed in the

00:05:09.880 U.N. In the 1960s, he had served on a U.N. committee and helped draft the Convention Against

00:05:16.440 Racism in 1964. So someone who was very much part of the idealistic phase of the U.N., talking about

00:05:22.720 Eleanor Roosevelt, founding chair of the Human Rights Commission, René Cassin, vice chair of the Human Rights

00:05:28.960 Commission, Morris Abram. There are these figures who were part of the founding idealism of the U.N.

00:05:35.800 But then Morris Abram saw it in the late 80s, when the Soviet Union had already corrupted it, 0.99

00:05:40.960 turned the, quote, non-aligned movement, the third world, against the West, and especially against

00:05:47.120 Israel. And when he retired in 1993, he decided to stay in Geneva. And he had the idea, together with

00:05:54.920 others, including one of my mentors, Professor Erwin Kotler, to create U.N. Watch. So they created

00:06:00.520 U.N. Watch in 1993. It always had a hybrid focus, a particular focus on fighting anti-Semitism and

00:06:09.700 demonization of Israel, and a universal focus. Morris Abram was not only a civil rights lawyer,

00:06:15.440 he also was a Jewish leader. He was head of the American Jewish Committee, the Soviet Jewry movement

00:06:20.160 in the 1980s. So U.N. Watch has always had a dual focus, fighting the obsession with demonizing

00:06:27.260 Israel, which takes up a large part of the U.N.'s time, and speaking out for human rights to see that

00:06:32.460 the United Nations would work. So that's U.N. Watch. I joined, he died in 2000, and I joined four years

00:06:39.280 later. I joined in 2004, so I never got to meet Morris Abram. But I've been there now 21 years, and

00:06:44.480 that's more or less what we do. And trying to hold the U.N. to account and bringing human rights

00:06:52.200 victims to testify, it's a big part of what we do. So if you were to allocate 100 points

00:06:59.200 to reflect how much of your time, you meaning you, Hillel, but you being...

00:07:05.580 And 10 others. Yeah, we're 10.

00:07:06.900 Yeah. How much of your time are you spending specifically on the Jew question versus all

00:07:14.180 other civil rights issues? How would you allocate those points?

00:07:18.180 You know, it depends on the time. If you say it in the space of a year, it might be 50-50.

00:07:23.420 Okay.

00:07:24.300 Yeah, yeah. Like we had our just, we just held, you mentioned the Geneva Summit for Human Rights

00:07:28.480 and Democracy. We just held our 17th annual conference. It's turned into a really high-class

00:07:34.520 event. We have about 700 people, this year we had even more, attending in Geneva. And

00:07:40.500 we have the leading figures on human rights in the world's worst democracies. So we're

00:07:45.240 allocating our time. We are not focused on Canada or Switzerland, places that have issues,

00:07:50.580 every country does. We're focused on the worst dictatorships. And every year we bring folks

00:07:55.700 who were in prison in China, Russia, Syria, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Eritrea, and

00:08:02.680 other dictatorships. And we just held, we just hosted Edmundo Gonzalez, who is the real president

00:08:08.080 of Venezuela. In the ballot that was held in July, Nicolas Maduro faked it. And the real

00:08:13.940 president was Edmundo Gonzalez. We brought him. We brought Vladimir Karamurza, a hero in Russia

00:08:20.240 who dared to speak out against Putin, was poisoned twice, went back to Russia. They threw him in the

00:08:27.000 gulag. He was left to die. I'm talking about April, 2022, right after the invasion. He went

00:08:32.640 back to Moscow, spoke out on CNN against Putin's war crimes. They took him away hours later from his

00:08:38.980 home in Moscow, threw him into a Siberian penal colony, isolation, solitary confinement. By a

00:08:46.600 miracle, he got out in August in a prisoner swap. And we were able to bring him and reunite him with his

00:08:52.040 wife on stage, which was really quite a moment. So that's the kind of work. We just did that a month

00:08:57.140 ago. Wow, that's amazing. So in the parasitic mind, I talk about in chapter eight, I talk about

00:09:03.600 activate your inner honey badger, which is a term that I use. I think most people would know what

00:09:10.700 I'm referring to. But for those who may not, the honey badger is reputed to be the fiercest animal in

00:09:17.240 the animal kingdom. It's the size of a small, medium sized dog. And yet it could withstand

00:09:22.100 attacks or approaches by, you know, six adult lions. And I say six, because there's a footage on

00:09:26.760 YouTube, where you see six lions saying, Okay, I don't want any part of that. And so when I when I

00:09:32.080 say activate your inner honey badger, I'm not, of course, imploring people to get violent, physically

00:09:36.340 violent. But I say, you know, stand tall, defend your principles. Now, I suspect that all the people

00:09:41.540 that you invite to this Geneva summit would easily fit under the rubric of being honey badgers. So in

00:09:48.480 your years of work, is there something that you see that is common to all of these extraordinary

00:09:55.720 individuals that we can bottle and then use as a perfume on people to implore them to be a bit more

00:10:02.180 courageous? Because these are guys who are being sent to the gulags in Siberia, who could be killed

00:10:06.540 tomorrow by ISIS, real courageous people. And yet I receive every day, Hillel, emails from someone

00:10:12.140 where they say they're too afraid to speak in the West. And not to, you know, to minimize whatever

00:10:17.800 their, you know, threats seem to be. They are astoundingly lesser than the people that you would

00:10:23.740 typically invite. And yet they stand up and stand tall. So what is common to these people that the rest

00:10:30.460 of the folks may not have? You know, it's a great question. Because when you're with these people,

00:10:37.380 I mean, someone who flies back into Moscow a month or two after the invasion, because he believes it's

00:10:43.540 his destiny to speak out, and he's not crazy. He's one of the most brilliant intellectuals I know.

00:10:50.340 There is something that you want to bottle. And I don't know what it is, obviously, to state the

00:10:56.100 obvious. Maybe it's almost a tautology. But they're extremely principled people. So that's, that's, that's,

00:11:02.280 that goes without saying. But what makes them so principled? I don't know. Some of them, I can't say

00:11:09.440 it's, it's, some of them are, are Christian, are, are people of faith. But I don't know if it's all of

00:11:17.620 them. You know, recently, I met a few people who I didn't know if they were religious or not. And I found

00:11:22.020 out, oh, this one is religious, and that one's religious. And certainly, if you're in prison, obviously,

00:11:25.600 it helps if you have a powerful faith of some kind. No question about that. I don't know yet.

00:11:32.460 I don't know what it is. But I do know that there's so many terrible things that I have to deal with at

00:11:38.320 the UN. You walk into the room, and you're in an Orwellian universe. And we can talk about that.

00:11:43.140 So a lot of the stuff that I'm dealing with is very nasty. And if I'm the honey badger, it's because

00:11:48.740 I am in the lion's den. And they're, they're very nasty. I just, I've just walked out of the Human Rights 0.73

00:11:54.520 Council last week. I was accused of being Mossad, because I called out a supporter of terrorism.

00:12:01.820 And the Palestinian ambassador interrupted me, didn't have anything to say. He just said,

00:12:05.560 Mr. Chair, stop him. He's Mossad. All right. What I what I could have said and didn't, I, you know,

00:12:12.300 could have raised up some some device and said, you know, Mr. Ambassador, I don't think you want to

00:12:16.680 use this today. But I chose not to do that. But one of the great things of my job is when I meet

00:12:24.960 these people, because you just sit with someone like that. And, and they're extraordinary, whether

00:12:30.600 they're from China, a young woman who stood up in Shanghai, and lifted a white piece of paper,

00:12:37.360 meaning a blank piece of paper, minutes later, they took her away. In China and Russia, if you lift,

00:12:42.280 just stand there, lift up a blank piece of paper, they take you away. So those kinds of people,

00:12:45.640 it's something extraordinary. I think, I think what I'm, I'm going to answer the question that I

00:12:51.860 asked you, and I think it's logical. But I think it's probably the following that they all have in

00:12:59.200 common. When you go to bed at night, and you are in the privacy of your thoughts, I think every single

00:13:08.480 one of them would feel that had they not spoken out, they would feel fraudulent. In other words,

00:13:15.500 they have a personal code of conduct that is so exacting, that they would feel false,

00:13:24.120 if they did not speak out. Now, again, in a sense, that is tautological, because I'm saying

00:13:28.060 the reason why they are so courageous is because they are so courageous and principled. But I think

00:13:33.120 that's what it is. Now, if I can, I don't mean to incorporate myself into this, because, but people

00:13:38.560 ask me, well, how come you take all the risks that you do, and so on? Well, frankly, that's because

00:13:43.520 that's my answer to why I do it. I can't do otherwise. Because if I modulate my speech,

00:13:51.240 I feel that then I'm being fraudulent. Other people may not know it. But I would know that

00:13:57.660 I could have spoken out and chose not to. And therefore, that would be akin to being a charlatan.

00:14:04.220 I can't live with myself. If I do that, I would have bouts of insomnia. Therefore, I must speak

00:14:09.420 out. And again, I'm not facing the threats of being sent to the gulag. But of course, I'm sure

00:14:14.160 you do too. We receive tons of death threats and so on. So it's certainly not minimal that the types

00:14:19.140 of threats we take, or you could be fired or this or that. So I think that's probably it. It's a,

00:14:23.980 as you said, it's a code of conduct that is so principled that they can't do otherwise. What do

00:14:30.180 you think of that? Yeah, no, that makes sense. And, and these people are rare, you know, I've met them

00:14:37.220 in other contexts, just in life, someone you, a roommate who, I don't know, he, the light went

00:14:42.440 out, and he was sharing an apartment with me. And he said, you know, he wanted to give me the 50

00:14:46.400 cents of the light bulb, because he, and it was, it sort of seemed ridiculous. But you could see for

00:14:50.580 him, if he felt that he used something of yours that cost a certain amount of money, he really

00:14:55.660 cared about it. Most people would say, not that they're not principled, just like it doesn't really

00:14:59.960 matter. But some people who are principled, these little things really matter. Like you said,

00:15:04.720 they can't live with themselves, they wouldn't be able to go to sleep at night. So

00:15:08.020 now, do you think that prior to you entering the proverbial lions, then if I would have asked you

00:15:15.900 in 1990, are you a honey badger? Because you certainly are a honey badger. Now I grant you that

00:15:22.820 official title. Would you have said in 1990, Oh, I'm a honey badger? Or is this something that

00:15:30.360 you discovered that inner voice of courage, as you tackled your new role?

00:15:36.540 Yeah, to be frank, the probably the first place that I encountered that challenge

00:15:44.060 to be confronted by a majority that's maybe hostile, was actually at Concordia, you know,

00:15:53.000 and I with, you know, because I grew up, I went to a Hebrew school in Montreal, I went to the Hebrew

00:15:57.280 Academy, it was a great school. And I was like everybody else that was Jewish. And so

00:16:01.240 in most things, there wasn't there wasn't a huge issue where I had to speak out on of the kinds

00:16:09.640 that we're talking about. But when I went to Concordia, it actually prepared me for the UN

00:16:13.240 is that there was this alliance, I was there from 88 to 93. And there was this alliance of the radical

00:16:21.740 left. And those, I guess they were maybe Islamists or from the Arab world, anti Israel forces. So you

00:16:30.640 had radical left from at the time, the gay lesbian radicals, and the various intersectional groups,

00:16:40.040 they weren't using that term quite yet in the late 80s. But I remember there was a student newspaper

00:16:45.360 called link. And I would write an article and I would go to their office and they say, Oh, yeah,

00:16:49.560 okay, that's the inbox, you put it there. And the the radical left woke person at the time,

00:16:55.200 I realized after, you know, several times, they were throwing it in the garbage, my submission.

00:17:00.540 And actually, Professor Kranz had launched a publication called Dateline Middle East,

00:17:05.180 where people like me who cared about the Middle East could never get published in the student

00:17:08.600 newspaper. And we created our own magazine. So my journalism began began then. But to answer your

00:17:14.780 question, certainly there on campus, where it was nothing like what's happened in more recent years.

00:17:21.260 And I know you've been through some horrible things in recent years. So it was nothing compared to them.

00:17:25.860 But, but when we walked on campus, and there was a huge sign saying the star of David is the swastika

00:17:31.480 equal swastika, you know, the symbol of Judaism equals the Nazi swastika, that kind of thing was 0.54

00:17:39.300 happening. And whether it was in class, or just in the mezzanine of the hall building, to to speak out,

00:17:47.060 I would be at a table and speaking out against activists, radicals. I remember one time, a young

00:17:53.640 man from the Arab world came up to me, I was at a table putting out some materials, maybe from our

00:17:59.740 publication, whatever it was. And this, this, this Arab young guy was talking to me. And he said,

00:18:06.140 you know, Israel, the Zionists, they want to control everything from the Nile to the Euphrates and 1.00

00:18:12.260 saying things that are ridiculous. And so where did you get that? And he pulled out of his shirt 0.87

00:18:16.960 pocket, I'll never forget, a publication called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And it was,

00:18:22.820 I think it was published in Beirut, if I'm not mistaken. And I looked at it. And I was in shock,

00:18:27.860 because something I heard about, you know, this is sort of the great anti semitic conspiracy theory

00:18:33.320 tract of, of the last century, 1920s, a bit before, and to see someone on campus with it.

00:18:41.200 And it was, yeah, it was published, I think it was published in Beirut, maybe the Palestine

00:18:45.140 Information Office, don't remember exactly who. And I'm looking at someone, he was basically a young

00:18:48.960 Hamas guy. And so that, that was the scene on campus. So then, and whether it was in student

00:18:55.280 politics, I remember in the student association, the radicals were there. And yeah, so that that's

00:19:00.640 where it began. That's where I was confronted with a kind of radicalism. There was a price wasn't a

00:19:05.540 huge price, I wasn't being thrown in the gulag. And, and that's where I, I honed my activism

00:19:12.200 skills, and maybe, and maybe moral compass, I don't know. Although I'll just, I'll just finish

00:19:18.420 with this is that I give credit to my, of course, to my family and the values they taught me and

00:19:22.640 everything. But my first bit of activism, I was about nine or 10 years old. When Anatoly Sharansky,

00:19:29.260 as he was then called, we're talking about 1978, 79, was being arrested and thrown into

00:19:34.740 the gulag. And there were these huge demonstrations. You came to Montreal in 75?

00:19:40.040 Exactly.

00:19:41.140 Yeah. So I don't, were you aware of those, those marches that would happen downtown Montreal?

00:19:45.860 No, not then.

00:19:47.320 Not at that time. Yeah. So there were these marches, and it was in front of the Soviet consulate,

00:19:52.220 right above Dr. Penfield and Avenue du Musée, very steep.

00:19:55.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:56.280 It was a Soviet consulate, and we had hundreds, thousands from the Jewish community were there

00:20:01.460 regularly, and, and with freezing cold, minus 30. And you're standing there, and we would say

00:20:07.020 one, two, three, four, open up the iron door, five, six, seven, eight, let our people emigrate. And we 0.92

00:20:13.060 would march on St. Catherine Street. So that's just a little bit of the activism.

00:20:18.020 Wow. I mean, you mentioned earlier, in your, in your answer to your, you sort of your first

00:20:25.020 honey badger, you know, mindset at Concordia, the, the union between the radical sort of woke

00:20:32.680 leftists, and yes, you're right, they didn't use the term woke back then, and the, you know,

00:20:36.740 the, the Islam related, you know, anti, anti Jewish sentiments. Now, there's a third group. So I

00:20:43.460 always say that there are three, there's the academic left, there is the, you know, Islam 1.00

00:20:48.740 related Jew hatred. And then of course, there's the folks on the right, right, that Jews will not 0.72

00:20:53.520 replace us. If you were to take those three separate sources, which of course, oftentimes

00:20:59.340 they'll, they'll get into bed together to, you know, or giastically engage in Jew hatred. 0.57

00:21:04.640 Which of these, you know, is the champion of Jew hatred at the United Nations? Is it coming from 0.98

00:21:13.840 Algeria and Pakistan and Yemen? Or is it coming from Francesca Albanese, who I'm assuming is coming

00:21:22.380 at the, her Jew hatred through a sort of an academic left perspective? Give us the dynamics of those

00:21:28.980 three sources of Jew hatred, as manifested in the UN? It's the same alliance at Concordia, which,

00:21:35.480 which was the, it was the the radical left, who claimed to believe in gay rights, who claimed to

00:21:41.180 believe in women's rights, and then make this, this completely irrational alliance, this red green 1.00

00:21:48.160 alliance with those whose, whose very purposes are the complete opposite of that, whether it's, you

00:21:53.200 know, like Jeremy Corbyn saying, my good friends from Hamas and Hezbollah, and for what his stated

00:21:57.960 purposes are, they, they, they are promoting the exact opposite. And the one thing that unites

00:22:03.680 them is they both hate the Jews, and, and more particularly, Israel as the embodiment of the

00:22:09.980 Jews. So at the United Nations, that's what we see. And people don't understand the extent of that 0.65

00:22:15.540 alliance. You know, the, the right wing anti-Semitism, which we're seeing today, perhaps more than ever

00:22:20.800 online, that's coming out, let's say, in America and white supremacists, not in other ways, doesn't

00:22:25.920 really manifest, manifest itself at the UN, there's very few countries I can think of, offhand, I can't

00:22:31.020 think of one, maybe there's, maybe there's some in Eastern Europe, perhaps, I don't know, but that are

00:22:35.740 even close to, you know, expressing that, I guess, yeah, maybe now in Europe, a little bit, you have some

00:22:40.880 right wing circles that have some fascist, you know, history and some leanings. But in terms of governments,

00:22:46.840 most of the governments are, are center left, some might be conservative, but the, the left ethos is

00:22:55.080 very strong among the governments, then, of course, 56 Islamic states. So, but the alliance that you see

00:23:00.720 at the UN, especially at the Human Rights Council, or I am, is completely bizarre. You mentioned

00:23:05.620 Francesca Albanese. So she is the UN special rapporteur on Palestine, appointed by the Human Rights

00:23:11.780 Council. And in her case, excuse me, and those of her peers among the rapporteurs, there's about

00:23:21.800 55 mandates, meaning there's a position called special rapporteur on Palestine, on North Korea,

00:23:28.520 about 14 or 15 countries have a monitor, a special rapporteur. So that's about 15 mandates. And then

00:23:35.760 there's about 40 mandates that are thematic, the rapporteur on torture, on free speech, sort of classic

00:23:41.700 civil rights, but then on, on social justice things, climate and, and various anti-Western

00:23:48.120 mandates. One of them is called unilateral coercive measures, which means sanctions. Cuba and Iran

00:23:54.480 created a mandate to condemn Western sanctions. So there's about 55 mandates. Some of them have five

00:24:02.480 people, like a working group on arbitrary detention is five people. There's about 80 people altogether who

00:24:07.400 could have the title independent expert or special rapporteur or something of that nature.

00:24:11.700 And what unites many of them, not all, but they're typically from the West. They're typically,

00:24:18.880 Francesca Albanese is a jurist who grew up in Italy, in Ariano Irpino, in the province of Avellino in

00:24:27.600 Italy. And she comes very much from the left, from the radical left. And many, many of the rapporteurs

00:24:34.440 are like that. They're academics on the far left, but to get appointed, right? So you're sitting in

00:24:40.260 Italy or you're sitting in the United States or, or in Europe, somewhere else in Europe, and to get

00:24:45.820 appointed by the human rights, I'll never be appointed. I'm there a lot. I know how it works.

00:24:49.580 And, and many people in Geneva, they want to get appointed to those things. To get appointed,

00:24:53.620 you mentioned Pakistan. Pakistan's one of the leaders of the OIC, the Organization of Islamic

00:24:57.820 Cooperation, 56 Islamic States. You want to get appointed, you need them on your side. Okay. 0.99

00:25:04.180 You need the African group, you need the Asian group, but the Islamic countries are very powerful. 0.94

00:25:09.360 And so is China and others. If you want to get appointed, you, you're, they, they are the gatekeepers. 0.99

00:25:15.800 So why would they appoint radical left professors? Well, they have something in common.

00:25:20.600 Amnesty International and that whole mindset that one of their main targets is the West,

00:25:27.540 capitalism, Western society, America, Israel, and, um, guess what? The 56 Islamic States and other, 0.95

00:25:35.500 and the Chinas and the Venezuelas, their main target at the UN is the West and Israel. So the, 0.89

00:25:42.120 if you're a radicalist professor, it's the, um, most oppressive regimes, the most Islamist regimes 0.99

00:25:48.420 are going to want you as you get there. And that's the Alliance is you're both, you're both attacking

00:25:54.140 the West. Amazing. I'm going to actually, people may not understand the empirical reality. This is

00:26:01.120 from, from UN watch. Now I don't have the updated data, but I've got the, the expert who can update

00:26:06.420 the data for us. So from 2006 to 2015, now, anybody who's listening to this, fasten your seatbelts,

00:26:13.880 Israel, 62 condemnations, the rest of the world, you know, North Korea, Yemen, China, and so on,

00:26:24.200 the rest of the world, 55. So based on that metric, Israel is more diabolical and it is justified 1.00

00:26:32.320 to condemn them than all of the other nefarious actors in the world. Iran, Syria, North Korea, 0.94

00:26:39.340 China, Russia, Venezuela, that's the human rights council. Right. So I'm, I'm presuming Hillel that

00:26:45.900 the numbers from 2015 till today, the dynamics have not changed, correct? Yeah. Most, mostly the

00:26:53.400 same. The obsession with Israel remains, uh, there continues to be at every meeting of the UN human

00:26:59.120 rights council. There's one day on the world agenda item four. You can talk about human rights

00:27:03.820 situations around the world. If our Canadian ambassador or the American ambassador, the

00:27:09.820 French ambassador wants to talk about Syria, Iran, North Korea, you can do so under agenda item four.

00:27:15.240 And a few days later, there's agenda item seven, which is Israel. And, uh, no other country in the

00:27:21.040 world has its own day, its own agenda item, not Iran, not Syria, not North Korea, not Russia bombing

00:27:26.880 Ukraine, Ukraine, only Israel, imperfect liberal democracy, a beacon of light in a benighted region 0.99

00:27:33.820 that stretches from North Africa to the Gulf and to Iraq and Iran. Um, that tiny country, barely 10

00:27:41.620 million people gets its own day equivalent with the whole world to demonize the Jewish state. Yeah.

00:27:48.640 How do you maintain, I mean, I've seen you interact, you're, you're, you know, you're,

00:27:54.440 you're very proper, you're, you're serious, you're austere. Do you sometimes sort of in the

00:28:00.360 recesses of your mind want to pull out your hairs? I mean, because you're, you're incessantly dealing

00:28:05.720 with this tsunami of hate. How do you, what, what, what is your secret? Right. So look, there,

00:28:10.920 there are no doubt there are terrible moments and frustrating moments and so forth as a whole. Um,

00:28:17.800 I wouldn't say I'm immune, but I understand when I walk in the room that I'm entering a dystopian

00:28:23.820 universe. And, um, and it's very, it's very odd feeling because you're, I'm, I live in Switzerland.

00:28:30.480 It's a beautiful country and it's a great democracy. And, um, you walk into the United Nations,

00:28:37.320 the Palais des Nations in Geneva, which is the old League of Nations. And you're now in a different

00:28:41.660 universe. You're now in a universe where the Chinese ambassador is very important. And he represents

00:28:46.200 the murderous regime in, in Beijing and the Russian ambassador who represents the KGB dictator,

00:28:52.720 who didn't very important. And when I speak, um, there's all these people trying to censor me. I

00:28:58.440 did, I think it was maybe two years ago. I was at the human rights council and you walk out,

00:29:04.220 they have, uh, sometimes exhibits and the exhibits are, are propaganda displays. So if Iran is being 0.73

00:29:10.940 reviewed for its every four or five years, a country has to get reviewed for three hours.

00:29:14.920 So when it's Iran's turn to be reviewed, they will put up a huge exhibit for a week of, um,

00:29:22.200 women's fashion, contemporary women's fashion in Iran. Okay. Which will be magnificent Persian

00:29:27.960 dresses, which are relatively modest, but the Iranians tell me that you couldn't possibly wear 1.00

00:29:34.420 them because it's too colorful to wear in the Islamic, uh, regime and magnificent Persian dresses. 0.89

00:29:41.200 And, you know, Iran is a country, uh, that, uh, beats, blinds, poisons, rapes, tortures women 1.00

00:29:47.400 who dare to stand up and speak out for their right to, to be free. So that is typical. And so I was 0.74

00:29:54.640 there and I had my, I said, okay, this is ridiculous. I took my phone and, and I started recording and

00:29:59.760 said, Hey everyone, I'm here at the human rights council. And behind me is this Iranian women's fashion 1.00

00:30:04.400 exhibit for a week, which has to be allowed. Someone at the UN has to give, give it permission.

00:30:09.880 And I put it up on the internet and, uh, I don't know if it went viral, but it got a,

00:30:13.920 it got a fair amount of likes about a day or two later. I got a letter from the UN saying you are

00:30:20.880 in violation. You are not allowed to record in that space. If you do it ever again, we're going to take

00:30:26.300 away your badge and you're out. Now keep in mind when I've made complaints of bad things that have

00:30:31.100 happened to me, intimidation and threats. What's going on? Sorry. It was, uh, it was a call and let

00:30:40.820 me just turn something off. Sorry about that. Um, uh, I was, uh, it's the UN. They, I, when the name

00:30:48.680 was mentioned and they, they're, they're on it. They're listening. They're listening. They're

00:30:53.200 listening. Big brother. So, um, yeah, so I, a day or two later, I got this, this sort of, um,

00:30:59.900 this order, uh, without any due process, without saying, uh, and they said some kind of rule.

00:31:05.700 You're not allowed to use professional equipment. I didn't use professional equipment. Maybe, maybe I

00:31:09.120 had at these. Okay. Um, and they're like, you can't use professional equipment, but you did it's

00:31:13.640 against the law. You, and the very harsh. And it was clear that, uh, that Iran had complained. And

00:31:19.800 when I complained about things happening to me, terrible things happening again,

00:31:23.200 with China intimidating me or one of our Chinese, uh, human rights heroes, it will take them, 0.97

00:31:29.580 if we're lucky, half a year to respond, looking into it, looking into it, you know, the UN,

00:31:35.100 the bureaucracy, but, but vice versa, the censorship. So then you realize that, wait a minute, I'm,

00:31:39.780 I'm in this dystopian universe. So what I wanted to say is that, um, generally when I'm at the UN,

00:31:45.200 I, I am able to say, I have 90 seconds. Used to be three minutes, kept cutting it down. Now I get 90

00:31:51.640 seconds when, when they let me speak and everything else is nonsense. And kind of, I can like,

00:31:58.060 you know, you, they now have these computer programs where you record yourself and you push

00:32:02.440 a button, you could remove out all the, the noise that all, you can move out all the noise.

00:32:06.680 So I kind of push a button and I move out all the noise. And like, I have 90 seconds to speak

00:32:10.560 the truth. I'm going to use every nanosecond. You'll see sometimes the end of my speech, I'll say,

00:32:15.920 Mr. President, so I see there's three seconds left. I'm not giving the Chinese regime one second. 0.98

00:32:21.380 I get my 90 seconds. So I'll, I, now I own the room and I'll wait. I'll say, thank you. So,

00:32:28.180 so I, I'll, I'll just, I'll just to finish what, what, the way I compare it is, uh, for a surgeon,

00:32:33.580 you know, when, when someone, God forbid has been shot and there's blood and guts everywhere

00:32:37.720 and they call on the surgeon and he goes to the operating table, me, I would see blood,

00:32:41.700 I'd faint. I'd be out. Okay. But the surgeon, he goes in there and he can't faint. He has to

00:32:47.600 get out the bullet and save that person. So when he's there, he's laser focused on that one thing.

00:32:51.680 And so in my work at the UN, that's what I try to do. I can't say it always works,

00:32:55.080 but I try to just focus on, on giving my thing and, uh, and not being, uh, horrified by the horrible

00:33:00.940 things that are there. So let me ask you this. Uh, I've been asked recently on a show, maybe about

00:33:06.900 a year ago by a show hosted by a British, British psychiatrist in all my career, uh, which is now

00:33:14.400 longer than three decades as a professor, what has been the single singular phenomenon that has

00:33:20.240 most surprised me about the human condition, which I had never been asked that question before. And so

00:33:24.960 I paused for a couple of seconds. I said, well, I guess probably the fact that it is almost impossible

00:33:32.760 to change a person's opinions once they are solidly anchored, which is a very difficult to admit,

00:33:41.460 a thing to admit, because I'm in the business of trying to persuade people. And yes, of course,

00:33:47.680 I often will get someone who said, you know what, I, you know, I voted for Justin Trudeau. I should

00:33:52.380 have listened to you, but now I've, I've, I've learned from my errors and I, you know, I've changed my

00:33:56.740 behavior. So in your case, you certainly are facing that difficulty, which is,

00:34:02.760 can I get, nevermind Francesca Albanese, but anyone that you're navigating within that ecosystem,

00:34:10.700 that dystopian ecosystem that you spoke of, can you ever hope to change any of their positions?

00:34:17.720 Or are you not even really speaking to them? You're speaking to the outside audience who hopefully

00:34:22.960 watches your viral clip on Algeria, where are the Jews? What's the metric that allow, other than sort

00:34:29.460 of, you have this internal purpose and meaning, which is, look, I'm doing something that is obviously

00:34:33.560 important. But in terms of concrete metrics, what do you use to be able to say, here is where I was

00:34:40.140 and here is how we've improved? Is there such a metric? Yeah. So our metrics are, for example,

00:34:47.540 working with diplomats to try to change votes. And there's, there's, whether it's on the Israel

00:34:54.560 things, not to pass resolutions that support Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists, and their Islamic regime

00:34:59.920 paymasters in Tehran. And sadly, for the past two decades, there's all these resolutions, which

00:35:07.760 could have been written by Hamas and Hezbollah. And that's why actually the founder of Human Rights 1.00

00:35:13.220 Watch, a great man who passed away a few years ago named Bob Bernstein, he was the head of Random House

00:35:18.380 Books, and then a leading publisher in New York, and began to publish Soviet dissidents, and then

00:35:25.520 created something called Human Rights Watch, okay, back, let's say, in the 70s, and which was founded

00:35:32.380 to speak out for those who were voiceless behind the Iron Curtain or in dictatorships. And then he,

00:35:39.720 and then he hired someone named Ken Roth, who was the director for decades of Human Rights Watch.

00:35:43.900 And then Bob, who was, he was a layperson, he was the chair. Ken Roth was the highest salaried staff

00:35:52.400 member. And Bob realized over the years that Human Rights Watch kept putting out reports that were

00:35:58.200 basically enabling and empowering Hamas and Hezbollah. Every time they would attack Israel, there'd be 0.77

00:36:03.480 some 50 page Human Rights Watch report, saying how whatever Israel did to defend itself against rockets or

00:36:09.740 other terrorism was a violation of international law and human rights and war crimes and so forth.

00:36:15.500 And he wrote an article in 2009, saying that this is not the organization that I, this was not the

00:36:23.880 purpose of my organization. And so just coming back to your question about metrics, where part of the

00:36:33.220 work that we do is diplomacy, trying to convince countries to do the right thing. And from time to

00:36:37.300 time, you can say, it's not like you're going to change their minds, but a few things can happen.

00:36:41.860 Sometimes you can meet a country where a diplomat, an official, where they're actually on your side,

00:36:46.940 but they didn't have, they don't have the information you do. They didn't know that,

00:36:50.200 you know, there's always an appointment coming up, an election of small kind, an appointment for some

00:36:55.360 post. And those who want the post to know about it. And there's sometimes a very small group.

00:37:01.020 And it might be the Canadian government, could be the Dutch government, it could be the American

00:37:04.780 government may not have been focused on it. And so sometimes their, their position is actually

00:37:09.140 with you and, but you can alert their attention to something and you can mobilize them. So there

00:37:14.820 are things like that. And from time to time, some governments change their positions. That's one

00:37:18.240 metric is if you can help persuade governments to do the right thing. Second part of what we do is

00:37:25.140 educating public opinion. So that's a big part of our work. And here we come to the issue that you

00:37:30.560 identified about changing minds. We know that in a given year, UN Watch were quoted about a thousand

00:37:35.960 times in the media. So certainly when we come out with the story, Iran elected to Women's Rights

00:37:41.980 Commission, things like that will go viral, which the UN buries. It's a simple thing. You'd think

00:37:46.700 everyone knows that they don't. It's a buried in a report. Oh yeah, the, the, the economic and social

00:37:54.540 council met and they elected the new members and Islamic Republic of Iran was elected. No headline.

00:38:00.600 The journalists whose job it is to cover the UN will never write about it. The Reuters, AP, AFP,

00:38:06.500 BBC, the leading media that are at the UN, primarily in New York, but also in Geneva, they typically do

00:38:14.740 not put out stories that are critical of the UN or that expose the UN to shame because either self

00:38:21.200 selection, they've working there because they have the UN as part of their ideology, or it's it,

00:38:27.760 there's an understanding that it's bad for your career. If you write stories like that, you will

00:38:32.240 lose access to the UN spokesman. You might lose the office that they've given you. Um, and so

00:38:36.920 journalists have told me, so that's a great story, but I can't, can't touch it. Maybe I'll give it to

00:38:41.820 my colleague in Paris. Maybe they can write, but I can't. So, um, but, uh, but we, we will get out

00:38:50.040 that story and it'll be, it'll be often not the UN reporters. It'll be the regular reporter for Time

00:38:54.560 magazine or whoever, who might cover that. So we're in the news about a thousand times a year.

00:38:57.980 That's something we certainly look at and social media where, you know, if you got tens of millions,

00:39:03.060 hundreds of millions of views, I don't know if we have hundreds of millions, but certainly

00:39:05.620 tens of millions of views, um, then that's some kind of impact. You hope you're changing opinions.

00:39:12.100 You know, I remember I met, uh, we brought the son of Hamas, Mossab Hassan Youssef.

00:39:16.220 Oh yeah. He was on my show recently.

00:39:18.260 Oh yeah. Amazing.

00:39:19.840 Yeah. He's amazing. Go on.

00:39:21.360 We, we, the same year where I gave that speech, Algeria, where are your Jews? That was in March,

00:39:25.660 2017 in September, Mossab came. It's another amazing speech, which if people haven't seen it,

00:39:30.780 you should check it out. Um, incredible, I think it was 90 seconds and silenced the room. And it was

00:39:37.300 just amazing. Need to see Mossab Hassan Youssef silencing the UN and for the comic relief. Cause

00:39:43.320 I also, uh, like you got, I, I, uh, I, having a sense of humor is very important. And for me,

00:39:49.120 always a good measure of someone character to be able to have a sense of humor if they don't,

00:39:53.600 it's a bad sign. Um, so I try to have a sense of humor, especially where I am. Cause it's an

00:39:58.840 absurd place. It's Orwellian Kafkaesque. So you gotta have the fun too. So one of the fun things

00:40:04.500 is when you give a speech is the reaction shots. And when Mossab spoke, there were two individuals

00:40:08.960 right in front of him and you could see them. One guy here, one guy here.

00:40:10.980 I remember. And they're, they're doing this, they're freaking out and it helps make the video.

00:40:17.820 Mossab speech was amazing, but it helps make the video. Um, and, uh, why am I mentioning him? I

00:40:23.320 lost track. We were talking about, yeah, impact. So he spoke and, um, and it got like 10 million views

00:40:29.180 on various platforms and different languages. And I remember being at an event and a green

00:40:34.380 socialist green party, uh, politician in Geneva came up to me and he said, he said, I saw that

00:40:41.040 speech. I don't know if it was Mossab speech or my speech. So, you know, when, when it's, when it's

00:40:45.220 a hundred thousand people, it might be my friends from Hebrew school and their cousins. Um, when it

00:40:49.860 reaches a million, it's beyond, when it reaches 10 million, it's reaching a wider audience. Um, so

00:40:55.000 is it changing opinions? I don't know. Certainly I would say you asked about the UN in the room,

00:41:00.900 their hearts are made of stone. Many of them. Okay. They're sent by the Capitol. If you're the

00:41:06.080 French ambassador, you are sent by the Capitol. The instructions are coming from the Capitol.

00:41:10.200 Uh, so it's not like you're going to hear a speech and really change your mind. Um, of course the

00:41:16.080 ambassador, if he's, if he or she is a senior person, they're involved in the discussion on how

00:41:20.460 to vote, but it's rare to change their minds. And I'd say to be honest, uh, often we're looking at

00:41:25.980 wider public opinion and we're looking at folks who are, um, reasonable, uh, assume that they're

00:41:32.600 reasonable and, um, and they're not hostile to our position, uh, and are, have some openness

00:41:40.660 and, and can see Mossab Hassan Youssef, the son of Hamas, talk about what's really happening

00:41:45.540 in Gaza and elsewhere and say, Oh, you know what? Maybe he has a point. 0.94

00:41:48.520 Do you feel that the, it's strange to ask someone who, whose business it is to monitor

00:41:56.460 the UN shenanigans? Do you feel that it's outlived its purpose or notwithstanding the

00:42:04.380 fact that it is a deeply flawed, deeply diseased institution, there is no better model and we've

00:42:10.960 got to live with what we have. What, what's your general view on that?

00:42:13.640 Yeah, it's, it's the latter. It just, you know, the, the, the UN does many different things.

00:42:18.200 Some are technical, which no one would dispute its utility in Geneva. In particular, we have

00:42:23.880 the specialized agencies, the telecommunications union, which is regulating area codes, uh,

00:42:32.000 internet stuff, which of course problematic as China is trying to influence and something 0.58

00:42:35.460 like that. But, you know, we, we need some regulation of, of frequencies, whether it's

00:42:39.160 for the cell phones or different things. And then you have the world health problematic,

00:42:42.680 but you do need some world health body, ideally, um, intellectual property, world

00:42:48.020 trade, um, meteorological organization, all kinds of things. We need these things. The

00:42:53.620 world is a smaller and smaller place and, uh, we need to cooperate in various ways. So

00:42:58.540 you certainly need the UN on the technical administrative things. Um, the international

00:43:03.420 community wants them also for things like refugees. When there's a refugee situation in Sudan

00:43:08.700 or in Syria or Ukraine, they want an agency that will go there and help millions of people.

00:43:13.880 And, uh, and the U S and other wealthy democracies are willing to pay for an international agency.

00:43:19.480 So you're not going to, you could, you could eliminate the UN. It'll be created in some other

00:43:25.340 form. And of course, many of the pathologies that exist at the UN do manifest themselves in

00:43:30.760 other fora. We talk about hijacking these bodies to attack Israel. You know, it can be a meeting of 0.84

00:43:36.200 FIFA, the international football association, and they'll be trying to expel Israel. So could get 0.99

00:43:41.360 rid of FIFA. So I'm, I'm no defender of the UN and the last to be an apologist for the UN, but I

00:43:45.720 recognize that not every body, meaning human rights council doesn't have to be there or certain

00:43:51.840 things. It doesn't mean you have to attend every conference. Uh, you can walk out of the Durban

00:43:56.820 two conference. You can walk out of the ICC, but the United nations as a whole is not going anywhere.

00:44:01.600 At the end of the day, the question is, are our governments doing the right thing? And if they're

00:44:07.700 not, they need to be. And even if there's some other international body, the fact that Canada

00:44:13.160 didn't say a thing, uh, as we're speaking now, this Francesca Albanese, who is an open apologist

00:44:18.980 for terrorists, tells them you have the right to resist one of the most horrible, uh, officials to

00:44:24.480 have the name United nations and human rights. It's really obscene. Uh, the Canadian government

00:44:29.000 hasn't said a thing to oppose her reappointment. U S Congress spoke out, uh, the 42 French MPs spoke

00:44:37.140 out. We have the former deputy foreign minister of Italy and, and, um, Canada did criticize her,

00:44:44.060 uh, eventually this year, here and there, it was really the special envoy in antisemitism,

00:44:50.380 Deborah Lyons and the government a teeny bit, but they have not registered their opposition.

00:44:56.020 Australia hasn't registered their opposition. So that is a problem, uh, because of our governments

00:45:01.520 and, uh, sadly the UN is the place where a lot of bad decisions get aggregated and Israel is

00:45:08.180 typically the scapegoat, but others are as well. How do you explain? So we, we, we spoke about the

00:45:13.700 three sources, three general sources of Jew hatred, you know, Islamic stuff, academic left, and sort of

00:45:20.420 the far right. I'm going to add a fourth group. And I think you'll, you'll appreciate it in a second.

00:45:25.760 So I call those wood cricket Jews. Have you, have you heard my term wood cricket? Do you know what 1.00

00:45:29.880 that? No, I knew honey badgers. And, and luckily I had happened to see the video independent

00:45:34.260 of your term. I had seen one a month ago, so I know exactly what they are.

00:45:39.420 Pardon? You haven't heard wood cricket? No, no. Tell me. Okay. So, uh, the wood cricket, uh,

00:45:47.160 the explanation comes from the parasitic mind where I'm talking about how a wide range of animals,

00:45:54.080 including humans could be parasitized. Their brains could be parasitized and then they engage

00:45:59.500 in behaviors that are detrimental to them, but that are beneficial in the service of the, the,

00:46:05.680 the parasite. Now the wood cricket is a insect that abhors water. It wants nothing to do with water,

00:46:13.120 but when it is parasitized by a hair worm that ends up going to its brain, the hair worm needs the

00:46:19.220 wood cricket to jump into the water so that it could complete it, meaning the, the, the parasite,

00:46:24.260 it could complete its reproductive cycle. So once that wood cricket is regrettably parasitized,

00:46:29.580 it happily or, or hopelessly jumps and commits suicide in the service of the, uh, parasite. Now wood

00:46:37.820 cricket Jews would be Jews for Hamas, uh, queer, you know, queer Jews for Palestine. It's Anna Epstein, 0.94

00:46:47.920 Jewish Anna Epstein, uh, at Boston university, ripping down the posters of infants of babies that

00:46:56.000 have been kidnapped. Right. I am so empathetic. I'm so progressive. I'm so committed to my activism

00:47:02.340 that look how noble I am and virtuous and hence suicidally empathetic. Now, regrettably, now I think

00:47:10.400 this manifests itself across many groups, but there is something unique about ultra progressive,

00:47:17.500 ultra suicidally empathetic Jews that seem to support exactly the people that would be 0.93

00:47:24.340 decapitating them first. Have you experienced this in your career? And if so, what is your reaction 0.84

00:47:33.260 to such wood cricket Jews? Yeah, actually the first time I met one of those was at Concordia. 1.00

00:47:38.480 I remember she was sitting at a table, giving out some PLO propaganda and her name was something like

00:47:44.940 Alana. Um, and, and I remember I was in shock because I'd never met someone like that. And I was just

00:47:52.360 looking and she seemed like a very nice person. She was pretty. I was just, I couldn't understand

00:47:56.900 it. Um, and then of course in my work, cause I'm at the UN and dealing with these various issues. Uh,

00:48:03.580 of course I encountered them quite a bit. Um, the UN, you know, someone once asked me, and I hope I

00:48:10.240 don't go off on too much of the tangent, but someone asked me, I get the question from time to time.

00:48:14.180 Okay. There's UN watch, which fights against bigotry against Israel, bias against Israel.

00:48:19.100 Uh, does the Arab world or the Islamic world, do they have their own UN watch? I said,

00:48:23.560 no, they don't. They have the UN. And, and it sounds funny, but it's not a joke. When I walk

00:48:29.860 into the UN, I see 56 black Mercedes or BMW show up and each one, the ambassador of Pakistan gets out,

00:48:36.540 the ambassador of Iran and the ambassador of Libya and Egypt and one after the, after the other. And

00:48:41.460 they, they, they have this massive power to get any resolution they want, whether it's targeting

00:48:47.480 Israel, whether it's attacking the West from time to time, whether it's these various Islamophobia

00:48:53.520 resolutions, where you're not allowed to criticize Islam legislated in a UN resolution. And they have 0.73

00:49:00.180 the UN, any resolution they want, typically they can get. So, um, uh, how that connects to what we

00:49:10.100 were just talking about, I'm already forgetting, but, but, um, but, um, I was talking about the

00:49:17.180 wood cricket Jews. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying, I'm trying to remember the connection anyway, but 1.00

00:49:20.600 the, the, the, the point is that, that, uh, the, the point is again, it's the odd to me, the odd

00:49:26.960 mix that the UN attracts those from the Islamic countries who have their peculiar agenda, uh, which

00:49:36.220 is Islamist, anti-Israel and so forth. And these wood cricket Jews who are part of the radical left, 1.00

00:49:42.380 the Amnesty International, okay. Amnesty International and that whole, that whole ideology,

00:49:46.520 they're living in the UN. Okay. The folks who live in the UN who are built into the system,

00:49:52.140 all the UN rapporteurs are basically a part of Amnesty International and that whole movement.

00:49:57.200 They, um, they, the reports of the rapporteurs, they write them for them. They're sort of copy paste.

00:50:01.560 It's, it's a revolving door of the UN experts, the UN bureaucracy and the radical left. And these

00:50:07.920 wood cricket Jews are part of that. So I see them there. Um, and, uh, and yeah, so I, I see them all 1.00

00:50:14.940 the time and, um, Are they typically Israeli or they could be there once in a while? I, I, to be fair,

00:50:22.540 I don't see so many of them, but, but, you know, groups like Human Rights Watch, um, the, the Jews who had

00:50:29.780 some sense of pride and some moral compass and some, uh, uh, uh, common sense left Human Rights

00:50:35.900 Watch. So the founder of Human Rights Watch, Bob Bernstein left, uh, and he was fighting a wood 0.92

00:50:40.520 cricket Jew, Ken Roth, who for at least three decades ran Human Rights Watch, um, has a pathology 0.92

00:50:47.320 that, uh, in, in, in, in the words of, uh, from Seinfeld, speaking about George Costanza,

00:50:53.860 you would need, send you to Vienna and not, not 24 hours having one psychiatrist. You need a whole

00:51:00.420 team. You need a whole team, George, walking around you, looking at you and Vienna monitoring.

00:51:06.780 Ken Roth would be in that category. This is a guy who controlled a budget. They had more than $200

00:51:11.860 million in the bank, in the bank, more than $200 million. Ken Roth had given them, sorry,

00:51:17.360 George Soros had given them a $100 million gift over 10 years. So they're swimming in money. Um,

00:51:24.960 and every day, every single day, he, he asked himself, how can I turn the knife against Israel

00:51:32.260 and those who support it? And it's pathological. In the old days, you know, Twitter now you can have,

00:51:37.860 I think it's maybe 260 characters. I don't know what it is. You get about a paragraph now. Uh,

00:51:42.380 originally for the first five, 10 years, maybe more, you, you had a sentence in one sentence.

00:51:47.800 It was very hard. In one sentence, Ken Roth, if something happened, if an Israeli was attacked,

00:51:51.900 if there was a Hamas terrorist attack, killing a baby, he would say, if, if he would respond,

00:51:55.940 he would say, I condemned the attack comma, just like I condemned the war crime settlements that the 0.86

00:52:01.040 Israelis are doing in the place where it happened. So to, so to, you know, pretend to condemn the 0.77

00:52:06.120 attack where at the end, he's really sticking the knife at the Jews. You see the exact same thing, 0.92

00:52:10.820 which I have since satirized, where every single time there is some, uh, really bad action against

00:52:17.600 Jews, I always then retweet and say, this is why we must redouble our efforts to combat Islamophobia,

00:52:24.780 because that's exactly what you see by the Canadian government. They can never just say,

00:52:30.320 we condemn this reality about Jew hatred without lumping it to appear as though they are even handed 0.85

00:52:37.600 with Islamophobia. Those two have to always go together. Even if you just killed 50 Jews, 0.66

00:52:42.960 you have to combat Islamophobia. Uh, I want to ask you a couple of more things, 0.97

00:52:46.680 but I'm mindful. Are we still okay for a few more minutes? Um, yes, I think I have about 10 minutes

00:52:51.820 if needed. Okay, perfect. Uh, have you heard of my, uh, game, six degrees of Jew? Do you know this game? 0.90

00:52:58.800 I do not. I do not. So six degrees of Jew works as follows. I give you any calamity around the world 1.00

00:53:05.100 and you have up to six illusory causal steps to blame the Jews. So for example, if I say

00:53:12.040 an Amazonian frog just died in the Amazon, go. And so you have, you have up to, I mean, six steps you

00:53:19.800 could cover a lot, right? So now let me give you an example of this when it comes to immigration policy,

00:53:24.940 which is certainly something that would be discussed in a place like the United Nations.

00:53:29.460 So if I point to the names of the grooming raping gang that was just arrested in Huddersfield in

00:53:38.740 England, and let me just summarize their names for you. Muhammad, Ahmed, Muhammad, Ahmed, Ahmed,

00:53:44.440 Muhammad, Muhammad, Hussein, Muhammad, and all, all 20 names have that commonality. And then I put out

00:53:52.380 on social media as I have, you know, I don't have a big enough data analytic mind to identify what is

00:53:59.260 the commonality across those 20 guys. Could somebody help me out? I will receive not facetiously,

00:54:05.420 genuinely the response. Yeah. It's your people who are responsible. So then I, I know where they're

00:54:11.760 going with this. And then I say, well, how is that? And then the answer using six degree of Jews, 0.89

00:54:16.900 it's because it is the Jews that control the immigration policy of every possible country in 1.00

00:54:25.060 the West. So even when three Mohammeds rape your daughter, it's really Mordechai who's to blame. 1.00

00:54:31.940 Now, it, can we ever hope, I understand you're not a psychologist, but you truly are in the Orwellian, 0.81

00:54:37.720 Kafkaesque, dystopian world, as you so beautifully explained. Can we ever hope to get people to be 1.00

00:54:44.480 inoculated against six degrees of Jews? Or is this an eternal reality that Jews will forevermore have 1.00

00:54:51.860 to face? I don't know enough about psychology to comment on this. Obviously, antisemitism has been

00:54:59.380 around for thousands of years. It seems the oldest hatred. And why is it that when, when a mind

00:55:07.280 needs to flee from rationality, when things are so difficult, and it attracts itself to this age-old

00:55:17.000 conspiracy theory? Why is it? I don't know. I mean, I can, I understand its potency, meaning if you say

00:55:23.960 I'm going to blame everything on, on the Kurds, well, I, you know, how do you even get there? But obviously, 1.00

00:55:31.500 the Jews are kind of an eternal people, uh, the, the ancient peoples, the, the Greeks, the Babylonians,

00:55:37.180 um, uh, the, the ancient Persians, you know, many of them in their, in their ancient empires of what

00:55:45.720 they were, the Romans, they don't exist anymore, those, these empires, the Jews were not an empire, 1.00

00:55:50.380 but the, it's an ancient people that's still alive. And when sometimes people meet a Jew for the first

00:55:54.600 time, like, I know you from the Bible and you're alive. So obviously there is, there is some kind of

00:55:58.840 mystic, there's some mystic power in, in, in, in an ancient people that is, you know, one of the main

00:56:04.940 characters in the Bible, which is sacred to billions of people. So certainly it has the potency. If you're

00:56:10.480 going to come up with a conspiracy theory and you're going to make it about any number of peoples, it just

00:56:14.520 doesn't sound that interesting. Uh, but the Jews also being small people. So I, I don't know how we, how we 1.00

00:56:21.300 inoculate, uh, how we inoculate people in the end. Certainly it's, um, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's something

00:56:28.580 that's irrational. And so how do you fight something that's so irrational? Uh, I don't

00:56:32.400 know. I can offer one possibility and I don't know if, uh, if you can actually create that

00:56:37.440 mind vaccine and then I'll, I'll end, I'll just say this and then I'll end with one sort

00:56:41.060 of one additional broad question and then we'll wrap it up. So I argue that, so in psychology

00:56:46.860 you have what's called the self-serving bias, which is a type of attributing successes and

00:56:52.420 successes and failures in such a way that protects your ego. So for example, uh, if I did well on the

00:56:59.500 exam, it's because, well, I'm smart and I studied hard. If I did poorly on the exam, well, it's because

00:57:05.420 Professor Saad is an asshole Jew, right? He's unfair. And so most people, unfortunately, have that 1.00

00:57:11.940 ego defensive attributional style, which is attributing successes internally and attributing

00:57:16.420 failures externally. Now imagine if we can have an external culprit for all of our failures. Now,

00:57:24.480 why is it the Jews? Well, because the Jews, to use the terms of a fellow lawyer, Amy Chua, she calls

00:57:30.980 them market, uh, market dominant minorities, which is when you have a small group of people that are in

00:57:38.520 much larger ecosystems, but they always seem to be punching above their weight, at least in terms of

00:57:45.620 their numbers, right? Anywhere you go, Jews are somehow influential in nearly everything. Well, that 0.96

00:57:51.420 sucks if I'm not part of that group, right? And therefore it becomes incredibly easy since already 0.78

00:57:57.440 the architecture of my mind is structured to find external reasons for my failures. Well, now I've

00:58:04.420 got already May 1. Why did my wife cheat on me? Well, who peddles porn? It's the Jews. Why did I get 1.00

00:58:10.960 diabetes? Who controls the pharmaceutical industry and is probably holding out, giving us the cure for

00:58:16.420 diabetes? It's the Jews. So it becomes a quote, beautiful way to organize all of my failures. And 1.00

00:58:24.180 that reality has existed since time immemorial because the Jews have always been a market dominant 0.99

00:58:29.780 minority in most places. And they're always astoundingly successful. One can talk about why

00:58:35.680 Jews are so successful. So if I can get people to experience a greater sense of personal agency,

00:58:44.280 you know, some of my failures might actually be due to my wrongdoings. Maybe my entrepreneurial

00:58:50.360 company failed, not because the Jews did it, but maybe because I made wrong decisions. Is there, 0.99

00:58:57.200 well, first of all, what do you think of this explanation? And if so, can we inoculate people by

00:59:01.960 giving them a greater sense of personal responsibility for their existential failures?

00:59:07.640 Well, those are some interesting ideas that I'll have to give more thought to. My first reaction is,

00:59:17.100 I would think that there are a number of cases in history where the Jews were not allowed to

00:59:22.900 participate in the market. I'm thinking of, I don't know, 19th century Russian Empire, Poland. The Jews 0.99

00:59:28.020 were basically in the shtetls. They were not allowed into larger society. And the hate from their 0.99

00:59:32.760 neighbors, the Ukrainians, the Poles, the Russians was severe in the pogroms. And I don't think you had

00:59:39.040 that phenomenon at that time, at that place. So I don't know if that fits. Certainly, it may fit in other

00:59:44.500 things. I have the sense that it might even be, yeah, these things are very deep. You know, some of it

00:59:50.560 may be that, you know, the Jews brought the Bible and the Ten Commandments to the world,

00:59:55.760 and we resent a judge. And something, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about sometimes, you know,

01:00:01.440 there's a schadenfreude. When you read the newspaper and it says a priest did something

01:00:04.200 terrible or a rabbi did something terrible, there's some kind of a comfort because the judge, 0.95

01:00:09.340 who, as they say in Israel, hey, no, no, no. The one who's reprimanding you and admonishing you,

01:00:14.520 they did something bad. So suddenly, somehow you feel the judge has fallen. So the Jews, 1.00

01:00:21.160 in some sense, brought morality to the world. And if the Jews did something, are doing something 1.00

01:00:29.880 bad, that also has some psychological role. I think that that's one element to it. Obviously,

01:00:36.640 we know that the, in many places, antisemitism happens in religions that came from Judaism.

01:00:42.700 And so they have an antagonistic relationship to their parent religion. But of course, it's 0.83

01:00:48.160 other places as well. But certainly in the Christian, the Islamic world,

01:00:51.960 somehow seems more stronger than, say, in India or in China, where they don't have it as much,

01:00:57.680 usually.

01:00:58.680 Yeah, cool. Okay, last question. What are some projects that you're currently working on

01:01:04.180 that you would like to use this forum to promote? Take it away, Mr. Hillel.

01:01:10.580 Okay, I'll just share one report. You know, there's a UN agency that most of our governments is

01:01:14.740 funding called UNRWA. It's the UN agency for Palestinians. And Canada gives tens of millions

01:01:20.000 of dollars a year. Every Western country is funding it, except now the US is out. The Netherlands

01:01:25.200 is beginning to defund. Sweden announced that they're out. Otherwise, every single Western

01:01:29.420 country is giving tens of millions of dollars to UNRWA, supposedly to help the Palestinians.

01:01:34.460 Schools, medical facilities, who run the schools? We have a report coming out. It's 250 pages.

01:01:40.840 Screenshots, right? I got asked in the Dutch Parliament, do you share your material with

01:01:46.260 UNRWA beforehand? A radical left member of parliament was given a talking point. How come

01:01:51.420 you don't share? If you were in good faith, you would share with UNRWA? I said, why do you publish?

01:01:56.140 I'm not publishing. These are screenshots of UNRWA staff posting every day, I love Hitler, 0.99

01:02:02.180 Allahu Akbar, Hamas, pictures of themselves with Hamas leaders. So we have a 250-page report.

01:02:07.920 The head of the UNRWA teachers union in Lebanon, Fatih Sharif, outside of Tyre, Lebanon. He was

01:02:15.020 schoolteacher, head of a major school, head of the teachers union, was the head of Hamas in Lebanon.

01:02:20.780 I'll say that again. The head of the UN schools in Lebanon, UNRWA, the head of the teachers union,

01:02:26.860 2000 teachers, was the head of Hamas. When Israel brought justice to him in, I think it was late 0.94

01:02:31.220 September past. The day that he was killed, Hamas announced, you killed our leader. And suddenly

01:02:38.240 a video went out, eulogizing him of him with Ismail Haniyeh. And they hailed his jihadist

01:02:45.840 education. The head of the UNRWA teachers union, you and I are paying for it. If you're a Canadian,

01:02:50.880 Swiss, European, Brit, you're paying for it. If you're American, you paid for it up until last year,

01:02:55.740 you gave a lot of money. So, and Gaza, same thing, copy paste. The head of the staff union,

01:03:02.040 teacher, school principal, Suel al-Hindi, elected member of the Hamas Politburo. Half of them have

01:03:08.740 been eliminated. He's one of the ones that are still standing. He escaped. He's now in Turkey,

01:03:13.840 coordinating things with Hezbollah in Turkey. And the head of the entire staff union of UNRWA,

01:03:21.520 one of the elected leaders of the Hamas Politburo. 250 pages of how UNRWA knew these people were

01:03:27.340 hiding in plain sight, posting pictures every single day, hiding in plain sight, and we're

01:03:33.140 paying for it. So that's our upcoming report. Well, you make Montreal proud. I'm proud to call

01:03:39.080 you a fellow Montrealer. Keep up your good work. Continue being a honey badger. Stay safe.

01:03:44.680 A real pleasure talking to you. You could come back anytime you want. Thank you so much.

01:03:47.880 Thank you. Great to be here. Thank you.

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - April 03, 2025

My Chat with Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_814)

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