The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad

00:00:00.000 Hi, guys. This is Gad Saad for the Saad Truth. One of the beautiful things about the internet

00:00:06.980 is it allows me to get to know people that just a few days earlier I didn't know of,

00:00:13.000 and now I can consider myself a fan of my recent discovery of his word.

00:00:18.780 Luay Ahmed. How do I pronounce that? How are you doing?

00:00:22.020 That was perfect pronunciation.

00:00:23.300 Well, we met, I think someone had tagged me online saying, you need to speak to this gentleman.

00:00:31.820 So I went and did a little deep dive into some of your recent English content.

00:00:36.900 I said, oh, this seems like a person that I want to invite on my show.

00:00:40.700 So thank you so much for accepting my invitation.

00:00:42.860 Maybe we could start off with who you are so that people can get a sense of anything that you're going to talk about,

00:00:48.360 whether you have the expertise to be able to talk about it. Take it away.

00:00:51.860 Thank you very much. First, I want to say thank you for having me.

00:00:55.240 I've been a huge fan for a very long time.

00:00:57.260 So it's such a privilege for me to be talking to you right now,

00:01:00.080 even though as a brown person, I should not be feeling very privileged.

00:01:03.200 But these are one of those nice moments.

00:01:05.680 So my name is Luay Ahmed. I grew up in Yemen.

00:01:08.540 I left Yemen in 2014.

00:01:12.360 I was 20 years old back then, and then I moved to Sweden.

00:01:17.540 I grew up in a very politically driven family.

00:01:20.340 My father was a leader in a Nasserite political party that was a pan-Arab nationalist.

00:01:26.660 He was an extremely pro-Palestine, the Israel can go to hell kind of guy. 0.86

00:01:33.240 And my father passed away when in 1998.

00:01:37.820 And my mother was a, is still a human rights activist and a feminist activist.

00:01:41.880 My mother, the best way I could describe my mother as is, she used to walk, as a child,

00:01:48.100 she used to walk through crowds of women being completely, you know, covered in black, 1.00

00:01:54.380 while she's the only woman who's dressed in different colors and her hair is flying out.

00:01:58.700 And as such, she always made a statement with her presence, but also with her activism and her work.

00:02:05.420 She worked with the UN, she worked with SIDA, she worked with multiple international organizations

00:02:10.240 to highlight the importance of women's issues in Yemen and in the Middle East.

00:02:15.960 She was married off when she was eight years old, and she was brought up in this conservative family with Islamic values.

00:02:24.300 And then she had to grow up and fight for her rights. 0.80

00:02:26.980 And she educated herself in Egypt.

00:02:29.580 She sought education.

00:02:31.260 She learned English. 0.99

00:02:32.480 She became a westernized whore, the citation. 1.00

00:02:36.700 And throughout her activism, and this is funny because we will circle back to this, 0.98

00:02:42.340 but throughout her activism, she was always accused of being a Zionist and being an Irani-backed activist

00:02:50.280 who's trying to ruin Islam and trying to ruin the Yemeni culture, 0.97

00:02:55.080 even though the only things that she fought for were no violence towards women. 0.79

00:02:59.940 Stop oppressing women. 0.87

00:03:01.060 Don't marry women off on their children. 0.93

00:03:03.280 But sorry, I'm a bit confused.

00:03:05.200 Before you go on, I'm a bit confused because I heard in my women's studies courses at Oberlin College

00:03:10.880 that Islam is the feminist religion. 0.63

00:03:15.020 So how is it that your mother has a completely different perspective where she's getting the wrong idea,

00:03:20.460 of course, the Islamophobic idea that Islam could mistreat women?

00:03:24.900 That makes no sense.

00:03:25.740 How do you explain that?

00:03:27.360 So my mom became a bit of a Quran scholar because she had to fight the Islamists. 0.74

00:03:32.940 And she doesn't have the hijab. 0.79

00:03:34.560 And she has all of these sheikhs and imams telling her she's going to go to hell. 0.98

00:03:37.780 So she had to study the Quran and become an imam herself where she could use the finest interpretations of the religion.

00:03:45.440 So, for example, in the in the verse in the Quran that says the woman woman should beat woman. 0.96

00:03:51.560 The word that is used in that verse,

00:03:53.740 my mom was able to find out that the word beat is also used in hundreds of numerous ways in the Quran.

00:04:01.260 And it's never to use violence, but rather to throw or abandon or so.

00:04:06.200 So she used to always find these very progressive interpretations to to kind of like highlight a beautiful version of Islam and the Quran.

00:04:15.320 And my mother also believed in disregarding the vast majority of the hadiths, 1.00

00:04:20.660 because, you know, there are more than three hundred thirty thousand hadiths.

00:04:23.560 There are even millions of hadiths, according to some interpretations.

00:04:26.200 So my mother always tries to to focus on a progressive and illuminating Islam that respects woman's rights, that respects minorities rights.

00:04:37.420 And that was her activism.

00:04:39.200 But then 2014, I received an invitation by the Olof Palm Center, which is the Social Democratic Center for Education.

00:04:48.440 And my invitation, I was I've always been an activist and loud mouth.

00:04:53.640 So I was a part of the Yemeni Revolution, which I regret very deeply, even though I was a part of it as an independent voice who used to go out and carry signs that say equality, human rights and women's rights.

00:05:07.600 But looking back at it, the revolution was high.

00:05:10.600 I was naive.

00:05:11.340 I was young.

00:05:12.020 I was I had a vision for a revolution that could change.

00:05:17.220 You know, the Arab Spring brought about a sense of change and we could actually change our society.

00:05:23.540 So in my mind, in my very naive mind, I thought that we were fighting for change and we were.

00:05:28.100 But it was a horrible change.

00:05:30.180 But I was, you know, active in these circles, in change squares, calling for human rights, women's rights, just like my mother.

00:05:37.380 And in 2013, my mom became a spokesperson for the National Dialogue in Yemen, which was like kind of a transitional parliament between the older government that was dethroned and then the coming parliament.

00:05:54.600 And because of her high position being the spokesperson, we received death threats from Al-Qaida.

00:06:00.040 My family, like Al-Qaida came out with a list of people that they wanted to kill.

00:06:05.600 And my mom was one of these people.

00:06:07.220 And one of the reasons that my mom was put in the Al-Qaida list, because she voted in one of the committees to not have the Quran and the Hadith be the main source of all Yemeni laws.

00:06:20.720 What they proposed was the Sharia and the Quran would be the source of the laws, but not all the laws.

00:06:27.880 They argued, for example, traffic laws.

00:06:30.060 In Prophet Muhammad's days, there was no traffic. 0.99

00:06:32.920 So you can't derive that from the Quran.

00:06:36.600 And Al-Qaida did not like that.

00:06:38.420 So they wanted to kill my family.

00:06:41.260 So three months later, I got this invitation from the Ulof Palm Center to come to Sweden and talk about the revolution.

00:06:49.120 But when I got the invitation, my mom had advised me and told me, why don't you seek asylum? 0.85

00:06:55.760 Because, you know, we, Al-Qaida, you have legitimate reasons, a well-founded fear of persecution.

00:07:02.560 And I told her, no, I'm not going to do that.

00:07:04.720 But then I went back to my room and I started to think about everything that makes me myself and all my identity that I have been forced to shove down under the table and not face and not admit to myself, which is, I'm not your typical Muslim.

00:07:21.680 I don't, at that point, I had stopped believing in Allah and stopped believing in all the fables of Islam. 0.95

00:07:28.300 And I also, I'm not heterosexual, which would also lead to a death penalty.

00:07:33.060 So, like, I could write you a list of all of the things that would lead to a death penalty in Yemen. 0.84

00:07:37.680 So then I decided I'm going to go to Sweden.

00:07:41.320 And I, a big part of me regrets that because Sweden turned out to be... 1.00

00:07:47.740 Another Islamic country. 1.00

00:07:49.880 It is pretty much another Islamic country, but from a liberal point of view.

00:07:53.920 And it's, it's, I'm actually very worried and scared because I've seen how Islam has destroyed my country. 1.00

00:07:59.860 And now I see how the radical socialist, socialist leftism and the hypocrisy of the politicians is destroying Sweden.

00:08:07.720 So right now, what the Swedish politicians are saying, the social democratic politicians and the leftist sayings, was deemed as far right and Nazi three years ago, even.

00:08:17.420 So this shift where they do not recognize what they have done with their country and they're just trying to move quickly into this fast realization of we have to fix Sweden is just so disgusting to me.

00:08:31.040 But anyway, I work as an opinion journalist in Sweden and in the newspaper bulletin.

00:08:37.700 It's an independent, liberal, conservative newspaper.

00:08:41.560 And I, around two months ago, three months ago, I just decided that I'm so tired of Sweden or I'm tired of the Swedish discourse.

00:08:51.100 And I need to voice myself in English because I can't speak and write in English.

00:08:55.160 And I wanted to reach out and kind of like have more of a European, Western, because I know that my voice and the things that I have to say are not just only censored to Sweden.

00:09:06.460 There are a lot of countries that face the same struggles.

00:09:09.760 Sweden is just the extreme.

00:09:11.860 But other countries also face these problems with Islamic radicalization, with an incessant, constant migration that is not going to lead to any integration.

00:09:23.080 And I kind of feel like I should lift Sweden up.

00:09:26.320 I stopped saying Sweden, stop doing what you're doing. 1.00

00:09:29.120 But I kind of like lift Sweden up and look at the rest of the world or the rest of the West and say, this is what you shouldn't do.

00:09:36.140 This is just a prime example of how liberal, extreme liberal policies could destroy your country in less than 10 years.

00:09:44.240 All right.

00:09:45.540 A lot of stuff to unpack there.

00:09:47.300 Of course, for those of you who may have not understood my sarcasm when earlier I talked about Islam being a feminist religion, I was joking.

00:09:57.040 I'm assuming that Mr. Ahmed understood that.

00:10:01.260 I really, one of the things that I find very difficult to get through to people, and that's why I enjoy talking to folks who do speak Arabic.

00:10:10.180 I said that I speak Arabic, you speak Arabic, we can speak to each other with Arabic.

00:10:19.020 People can't say that we're misunderstanding, mistranslating, misinterpreting.

00:10:23.220 We come from that region.

00:10:24.600 We can quote all the things in Arabic.

00:10:27.040 People will say, oh, but, you know, like how your mother was trying to do.

00:10:30.120 But, you know, no, if you interpret the darab, you know, hitting, it really means hitting with caresses. 0.99

00:10:35.460 When it says kill the Jew, it really means kill the Jew with kindness. 0.99

00:10:39.540 So there are all sorts of Olympic level type of mental gymnastics that you could engage in to try to protect the faith. 0.99

00:10:46.680 Whereas in reality, while, of course, millions and millions of Muslims might be perfectly kind and lovely and peaceful, but they are kind, lovely and peaceful, not because it's Islam that made them that way.

00:10:57.280 It's because the random combination of their genes is that, you know, there are good people and bad people of any faith and of no faith.

00:11:03.880 But how can we, by we, I mean people like you and me who come from that background, who understand the religion, who speak the language, how could we try to convince the Western mind that there are so many tenets of Islam that are perfectly antithetical to our most foundational Western values? 0.90

00:11:25.160 How can we do that?

00:11:25.840 You know, I've been, I've been an activist, I've been writing in Swedish for the past four years, and I really have arrived to the conclusion that the most effective way that the West can realize this is with the current situation, a huge demographic change, where a huge part of Europe has to be Muslim and Islamic 1.00

00:11:54.340 for the West to realize this.

00:11:56.340 I feel like that is the only way, because right now in Sweden, I'm not saying that that is what should happen, but I'm saying that that's probably the only thing that would lead the West to wake up.

00:12:05.440 Because I feel like in the past three years, there's been a different awakening in the Swedish society, because before there was this complete deafening misunderstanding of Islam and Islamic culture.

00:12:17.620 But after the Quran burnings, and after what's going on with people running around saying, gas the Jews, kill the Jews, annihilate Israel, Swedes are now waking up and they're seeing what the Islamic culture actually stands for. 0.83

00:12:35.080 And I do think that when it comes to Islam as a religion, the main problem that the West does not understand is that the main Islamic region has not gone through the Enlightenment era or the industrialization or this conscious awakening of reality.

00:12:51.080 Of reality, because most people in the Islamic culture still live in the realm of Islam and in the realm of Muhammad. 0.78

00:12:57.920 I mean, I grew up in school for 12 years.

00:13:01.080 All I heard about, my mom was actually telling me how much I hated school because I had to carry this gigantic backpack that was full of 15 books and huge books.

00:13:12.340 And half of them were about Muhammad and Aisha and Asira al-Nabawiyya and Faqq.

00:13:17.740 Aisha, whom he married when she was nine, which is similar to the age that your mother was married at.

00:13:24.740 Correct?

00:13:25.760 Of course.

00:13:26.400 And of course, Islam is used to justify these atrocities because you'll have people telling you that Islam has nothing to do with this.

00:13:34.020 But you and I know that because we see and we hear how they use Islam to justify these actions. 1.00

00:13:40.940 And so, like, I think it's just so hard for me, the bigger issue, like trying to wake the West up, I think the West is going to wake up sooner or later.

00:13:51.420 I think the bigger issue at hand is how to wake the Islamic communities up. 1.00

00:13:56.080 Because if we're going to talk numbers, the Islamic community is growing by a lot.

00:14:03.300 You know, it's the difference between how many babies Swedes are having and how many Yemenis and Palestinians and Muslims are having is huge.

00:14:11.960 And the bigger issue there becomes how do we find a way in order to make the Islamic region go through the same kind of enlightenment?

00:14:21.680 But I don't, before you go on, forgive me.

00:14:23.480 Let me stop you. 0.95

00:14:24.440 No problem.

00:14:26.680 I don't.

00:14:27.400 So I'm going to come out with my pessimistic view.

00:14:30.000 And if you have a different view, then please correct me.

00:14:32.700 I don't think that the doctrines of Islam could ever allow for a meaningful reformation. 1.00

00:14:42.300 So it's not as though in the past 1400 years, there haven't been any imams and Islamic scholars who haven't thought about reformation.

00:14:50.800 But unlike other religions where the light of reformation can get through, Islam says, right, it is the final inerrant word of God, mefi hadif, that needs to be changed. 0.99

00:15:02.840 It's not a syllable that it's literal, it's final, it's inerrant.

00:15:06.760 So, yes, you can play the games that your mom was trying to play with, no, no, but it is feminist, beating means beating with love. 1.00

00:15:14.640 But that takes so much mental gymnastics.

00:15:17.240 The only reformation I could see, I was going to say Ahmed, but that's your last name, Luwai, is that you would have to have an abrogation.

00:15:29.060 And so, let me just mention this for our viewers who may not know this.

00:15:34.060 Of course, you would know this, but others may not.

00:15:36.860 In Islam, there's, Muhammad had two periods, the Meccan period and the Medina period.

00:15:41.720 Meccan period, you have your religion, I have mine, peace and love.

00:15:45.480 And in that period, he wasn't able to attract many adherents to come to the religion.

00:15:49.900 He moves to Medina, the message becomes a lot less peaceful and hippie and loving, and it becomes unbelievably violent.

00:15:58.580 So, now there is a problem within the religion.

00:16:01.560 How could God say A and then later say not A?

00:16:05.240 That contradiction is resolved by the mechanism of abrogation.

00:16:09.120 Whenever there's a contradictory statement, the later statement abrogates the earlier statement.

00:16:13.380 Well, what you need to do now is come up with a new abrogation that abrogates every single of the violent things.

00:16:20.860 So, it's not sitting there and say, well, in the Hadith, this thing, let's redefine it, let's re-massage it.

00:16:26.440 It has to be one wholesale blanket statement.

00:16:29.920 Otherwise, you could never have reformation.

00:16:32.300 What are your thoughts about what I just said?

00:16:34.660 I think, sadly, the sad truth is that you're absolutely right.

00:16:39.280 The main issue, and this is something that I've struggled with ever since I was a kid, is that every word in the Quran is God's literal words.

00:16:48.980 For my entire, you know, ever since I was like 12 or 13, I've been very comic.

00:16:53.520 I make a lot of jokes about that, you know, no holds barred.

00:16:57.440 And once I started making jokes about God and Allah and Muhammad, and my cousins and my family, they went feral.

00:17:06.520 You cannot make jokes about it.

00:17:08.600 Even in school, I asked my Islamic teacher, can you make jokes and make fun of God?

00:17:15.520 Because God is the one who created humor.

00:17:18.200 So, he has to have the sensibility to understand it.

00:17:21.340 But that was one of the moments where I realized that people do not really see God in the eyes of the Islamic community.

00:17:29.440 It's not this God-all-knowing, intelligent, sentient being, but rather a very aggressive and violent entity that tries to control people's thoughts.

00:17:40.880 And sadly, that is the case.

00:17:42.740 And I think that one of my first awakenings when I came to Sweden was I was in a refugee camp.

00:17:49.100 And, you know, I was happy.

00:17:51.240 I'm like, now I'm in the West.

00:17:52.800 Everything is fine.

00:17:54.280 And suddenly the Charlie Hebdo attack happens.

00:17:57.340 And I saw that every, almost everybody in the refugee camp was celebrating the murders that happened. 1.00

00:18:05.780 And I was insanely mad.

00:18:09.300 I thought, how the hell?

00:18:11.300 In my head, I was just picturing future civil wars.

00:18:14.640 Because if this is the community that is going to come here and be welcomed and grow, then there will be a huge discrepancy between the beliefs and the ideas that are withheld.

00:18:26.380 And I really, I was also naive when I first moved to Sweden because I thought, I really thought this, just like the liberals think, that people who move to the West want to become westernized, want to be a part of the secular openness, open-mindedness.

00:18:41.380 But, alas, I moved to Sweden and I realized that actually the majority of the people that I've met and I've engaged with have no intention whatsoever of becoming Swedish and European and adapt to the secular and liberal thought of debate and discussion.

00:18:57.760 But it's the same vile and violent mechanism at play.

00:19:02.380 And it's really, really sad.

00:19:03.900 Where do you think you, sorry, by the way, I told you offline that I'm super, super sick with a very nasty cold, cold, but I didn't want to reschedule.

00:19:19.420 I was very excited for us to hold the chat.

00:19:21.760 So for any of you who are watching this and seeing me struggle, my apologies, do you think that you got your courage, your irreverence, your activism, your sense of honesty when you see things as they are, is that coming straight, direct line from your mom?

00:19:38.360 Or is this the, I mean, is it all attributed to your mom or is there, was there a particular pivotal moment where you said, wait a second, these stories I'm reading in the Quran or in the Hadith or in the Seerah, I'm not really, what's the catalyst that made you say, no, I can't handle this?

00:19:56.340 I think there's definitely a genetic lineup in it.

00:20:01.000 Like I definitely, I'm like my mother in many ways.

00:20:03.640 She, she grew up in an extremely misogynistic society.

00:20:06.880 And then she, she said, no, I will not take this.

00:20:10.420 For me, I grew up in a, my, my lens was not just seeing a misogynistic society that wished death on my mother and, and had hundreds of, and maybe more than thousands of comments on her Facebook and her social media.

00:20:24.440 She has no social media now, but when she was active on social media, she used to get hundreds and thousands of messages of hate, death threats, and all of that.

00:20:32.160 And I think she just looked at that.

00:20:34.500 I, you know, she led by example because she saw all of those, uh, all that hatred and all that threats.

00:20:40.420 And she said, no, that I have a bigger fight there.

00:20:43.180 There are women who are getting married off now at the age of nine and 10, and I do not want them to go through what I went through.

00:20:49.840 And I, I, she did not want that to be repeated.

00:20:52.020 And for me, it's the same thing. 0.99

00:20:53.260 I, I don't want children to go to Muslim schools and learn that if they're homosexual, that they're going to be killed by their societies, and then they're going to burn in hell for eternity. 0.98

00:21:02.860 I'd want people to be silent, that their thoughts become silenced. 0.98

00:21:06.700 Because I remember one of the, in biology class, I, I used to, but I still love biology.

00:21:11.980 And when we sit in class in the first day of school, we, the teacher tells us to open the biology class to chapter 15 or 16 on the first day.

00:21:21.520 And he says, cross out these chapters.

00:21:24.420 And finally, like I used to cross them, but I never had like that sense of curiosity of reading because I'm like, okay, great.

00:21:30.600 We're just crossing out chapters.

00:21:31.960 That's, that's great.

00:21:32.640 But all of the chapters, the chapters that we used to cross out every year were evolution and scientific and scientific, uh, uh, scientific theories that go against the Quran.

00:21:46.540 And in one of the classes, the teacher said, actually, like I joked with you on Twitter, but on X, but it is true.

00:21:53.300 Our, my teacher told me that it's the Jews are behind the evolution theory.

00:21:57.660 And that's why we don't read it.

00:21:59.040 It's an attempt to attack Islam. 1.00

00:22:01.140 Fast forward to when I was 18 and I started reading books.

00:22:04.700 It was through evolution that I was able to shatter all of my prior beliefs.

00:22:09.000 And like, it was like they, I cut out my beliefs from the roots and I started like searching for knowledge, searching for the truth.

00:22:16.540 Do you think, uh, I know that when we were chatting with each other on Twitter, uh, privately, you said that, uh, the, the game that I've put a name to six degrees of Jew, whereby any calamity on earth could be blamed on the Jews in six or fewer causal steps.

00:22:34.600 That's a game that you were, you've been, you've known.

00:22:37.440 And if you've played your entire life, do you think since you're in Sweden, this, my having put a name on that game could get me.

00:22:46.120 The Nobel peace prize.

00:22:49.100 I think that it should give you.

00:22:51.140 Thank you, sir.

00:22:52.540 Thank you.

00:22:53.360 No, but we're joking, but I, I truly don't think I, I, you know, I've been, I've been doing this for decades where I'm warning people, trying to explain to them.

00:23:01.600 People don't have a sense of how much the definition of a person in the region that you and I come from is completely defined by Jew hatred.

00:23:15.380 Jew, you know, there are two sources of energy.

00:23:18.240 There is the oil in the ground that in the Gulf countries we can use to fuel things, but there is an even bigger source of energy, more renewable.

00:23:27.600 It's called Jew hatred. 0.86

00:23:29.060 Can you explain to our super liberal Western friends why that is the case, how it is the case so they could finally understand it?

00:23:37.000 Um, I just love how the, what, sorry for going off topic, but what I love most about you is that you, you preach so much truth and you have so much knowledge, but you're also very hilarious.

00:23:47.780 That's like one of the best things about you.

00:23:50.120 Thank you, sir. 0.96

00:23:50.560 Um, but, uh, yes, I mean, hating Jews runs in my blood.

00:23:55.540 What, I mean, no, I mean, sorry, let me, don't, don't take that.

00:23:58.800 But like, I grew up in a society where since I was a baby, since I was a child, we had like Palestinian flags.

00:24:06.540 Every store that you enter in Yemen has, you know, you donate to Palestine. 0.58

00:24:12.900 Everybody has the Palestinian scarf.

00:24:15.380 My father was, you know, a part of a party where you had the Palestinian flags everywhere and every, you know, in school, we have this assembly in the morning where you have to exercise and we have to, you know, recite the Quran and the national anthem with everybody.

00:24:30.940 And we also recite hatred towards Jews and Israel in mosques. 0.81

00:24:35.940 I learned to hate Jews where, you know, I would be sitting and after the Friday prayer and we're all saying, may the Islamic nation be well. 1.00

00:24:45.140 I mean, may the Islamic world find peace. 0.90

00:24:47.760 I mean, may God make every Jew fatherless. 1.00

00:24:51.320 I mean, and I remember the first time when, when I started realizing this, it was like, I felt this cognitive desonance of like, wait, those are human beings.

00:24:59.660 And we're sitting here.

00:25:01.320 Well, we're not sure that they're human beings.

00:25:03.440 You're being very generous, but go ahead.

00:25:05.940 Well, there's this collective dehumanization of Jews.

00:25:11.560 So, and I see this like reflected on the war right now, because, you know, my mother is completely pro-Palestine.

00:25:18.260 She does not hate Jews.

00:25:19.720 She's a very progressive, intelligent woman.

00:25:22.060 But I stop her every time.

00:25:24.560 And I tell her like when she, she keeps talking about the genocide that's happening in, in, in Gaza.

00:25:30.520 And then I tell her, mom, like, have you ever spoken this passionately about the genocides that are happening in our country or other countries?

00:25:39.860 Or no, I've never seen you speak with so much, um, with so much Hamas. 0.97

00:25:46.380 Because by the way, of course you understand the joke, but for the rest of the people who don't understand, Hamas means with fervor and zeal.

00:25:56.320 So, that's a play on words, but go ahead.

00:25:59.940 That was perfectly put.

00:26:01.320 But yeah, she speaks with so much Hamas about Hamas. 0.64

00:26:04.980 And it's true. 0.56

00:26:06.640 And then I told her, but like, and then she did tell me a story.

00:26:09.840 I told her a story about the first time I met a Jew in Sweden in a student house.

00:26:13.940 And he told me like, I'm from Israel.

00:26:16.300 And once he said, I'm from Israel, I felt like my body turned into, you know, when cats see like dogs or any other animals, their hair stands up completely.

00:26:25.180 I felt like the same thing happened to me and I'm an Arab, so that's a lot of hair.

00:26:29.880 And I, I, I, I really don't make me laugh.

00:26:32.860 I'm going to start coffee.

00:26:36.100 And then I, I, I looked at him and my initial reaction was, are we going to fight now?

00:26:41.700 Is he going to start punching me?

00:26:43.040 Because I was like, I'm from Yemen.

00:26:44.940 And then he told me, oh, Yemen, I know people from Yemen.

00:26:48.280 I will make you the best Yemeni bread.

00:26:50.060 Yemeni people are so awesome.

00:26:51.080 And I just stood there in complete shock because he just slapped me in the face with his kindness and friendliness.

00:26:59.440 And we became really good friends.

00:27:01.220 And that was the first Jew and the first juju. 1.00

00:27:05.480 Ah, you know that story.

00:27:06.640 Very good.

00:27:07.660 Yeah.

00:27:08.180 And, um, so it was, I had to like work with my antisemitism from then where, because I, you know, I believe in human rights.

00:27:16.220 It's ever since I was a teenager, I've been like fighting against all of these ideas I've been brainwashed into, but I've had myself really understand the antisemitism from completely different points of view after working in the media.

00:27:30.340 But I need to tell this, I need to tell you the story of this Muslim girl who came to Sweden one year after I came to Sweden and my family called me and told me, hey, there's a Yemeni girl who's going to come to Sweden.

00:27:42.280 We want you to help her out, you know, find her a place and all of that.

00:27:46.360 When I first met her, she was wearing the hijab.

00:27:48.440 I pulled out my hand and I was like, hi.

00:27:50.460 She refused to shake my hand.

00:27:53.060 I got angry.

00:27:54.500 I told her Salwa, her name is not Salwa, but let's say her name is Salwa.

00:27:57.400 I was like, Salwa, nobody will accept you here. 1.00

00:28:01.160 People will pull out your scarf.

00:28:03.440 People will spit at you here if you do not accept like shaking their hands or being accepting the society.

00:28:10.300 I swear to you that I started like having this conversation with her when I met her.

00:28:16.180 But, you know, in a very kind, funny way, she was laughing.

00:28:19.100 And I told her, no, you cannot do this.

00:28:21.320 Like you will not be able to find a job.

00:28:23.240 You came here to run away from our society.

00:28:26.560 And trust me, everything we've learned is false.

00:28:29.360 You will see that people here are respected.

00:28:31.240 Women here are respected. 1.00

00:28:32.800 No man in Sweden is going, no Swedish man, sorry. 0.93

00:28:36.200 No Swedish man is going to harass you because in Yemen, there's like an insane epidemic of 1.00

00:28:42.800 harassment and sexual harassment on the streets where women get harassed almost every day on 0.66

00:28:47.380 the street.

00:28:48.060 So I was telling her this and then she was like, no, look, I just came here.

00:28:51.400 I'm just, you know, I'm trying to integrate.

00:28:53.380 So please take it easy on me.

00:28:54.780 And I was like, okay, we became friends.

00:28:57.380 And around two years later, she found this through this coffee shop where you learn Swedish.

00:29:04.860 She found a woman who took her in into her home. 0.92

00:29:07.980 And she was still like hardcore Muslim back then. 0.97

00:29:10.080 This woman took her into her home. 1.00

00:29:12.060 She found her a job. 0.77

00:29:13.100 She taught her Swedish.

00:29:14.300 She lived under her roof for two years, learned Swedish, worked in Sweden.

00:29:21.540 This woman used to make her breakfast, lunch, dinner. 1.00

00:29:24.860 She washed her clothes, washed the apartment.

00:29:27.420 She really treated her like a queen.

00:29:29.780 And then after that, one day they were sitting on a table and they were having drinking wine.

00:29:36.660 She was not drinking wine, of course.

00:29:37.960 Everybody was drinking wine, just having like a lovely pander conversation.

00:29:41.740 And suddenly a guy told the woman, the hostess, her friend, he told her, so wait, you're eating bacon?

00:29:48.740 What happened to you being kosher?

00:29:51.060 And the woman was like, ah. 1.00

00:29:52.460 And then, and the Selwa was like, what do you mean?

00:29:55.520 She was like, oh, she, you know, she's Jewish.

00:29:57.220 She's not supposed to be drinking that. 1.00

00:29:59.600 And Selwa looked at her.

00:30:01.300 She was like, no, no, no, you're not Jewish.

00:30:05.260 She told her, yeah, I am actually Jewish.

00:30:07.160 Selwa got off of her chair, went to the bathroom and broke down.

00:30:12.080 She cried nonstop for two to three hours and had one of the biggest mental breakdowns because her, her, her, like an angel.

00:30:22.080 She used to call this woman an angel.

00:30:24.220 So like the devil, the Jew turned out to be an angel. 0.99

00:30:30.060 And Selwa now does not wear the scarf.

00:30:32.580 She's like, she's open-minded.

00:30:34.580 So like it, she had, she had to have her cognitive desonance destroyed by actually meeting a juju.

00:30:42.860 A juju.

00:30:43.460 A juju.

00:30:44.740 For the people who don't know the story, I'm going to repeat it only because they may not know what you're referencing.

00:30:50.240 So this is, this story refers to my first semester when I was a doctoral student at Cornell, where I was hanging around with a bunch of Arabic guys.

00:30:59.840 Most of them were Lebanese and we'd play soccer together and so on.

00:31:03.740 And one day, one of the guys in question invited me out for a coffee.

00:31:08.440 And so we went for coffee.

00:31:10.040 And actually during, I don't know if I've mentioned this part of the story, the juju story.

00:31:14.660 The first thing he told me, he goes, you know, you're in takteer zeki gad, you're a very smart gad.

00:31:20.960 I said, okay.

00:31:21.880 He goes, so why aren't you converting to Islam then?

00:31:25.240 So he couldn't understand how someone could be intelligent, realize that the one true faith existed and yet still resisted. 0.99

00:31:33.600 And so once I told him our, our, our, our coffee get together was not going to go well, if he was going to continue with his bullshit, he then turned to me and said, so there comes the juju. 0.98

00:31:44.860 He goes, you know, God, I really like you. 0.98

00:31:48.560 In talaziz, I think he said, you're, you're, you know, you're fun.

00:31:52.000 You're, you're lovely.

00:31:52.860 You know, I said, oh, why are you saying it as if you're surprised?

00:31:58.240 Like you, there is a bit of, oh, I know.

00:32:00.960 Is it, is it because I'm Jewish?

00:32:02.860 And he goes, no, but come on, God, you're not a juju.

00:32:06.320 And then I said, but no, I am.

00:32:08.080 I'm a juju juju juju.

00:32:09.380 He goes, no, no, but you're not.

00:32:10.480 You know what I mean?

00:32:11.080 And so this, that story, and thank you for bringing it up for those people who don't know it, it perfectly captures the mindset, both of your friend in Sweden and my friend at Cornell, that it can't be possible that I could meet a Jew and actually him being nice and lovely and I like him and so on.

00:32:31.000 So the only way in my case, he could reconcile that is that I wasn't really an authentic Jew.

00:32:36.260 First of all, I was too good of a soccer player to be a Jew. 0.75

00:32:40.100 And second of all, I was Arabic and therefore that's not really a juju.

00:32:45.220 But that, so then what is the solution then?

00:32:47.800 Is it that you have to make all people meet all other people to break down?

00:32:52.600 Because that's going to take, I mean, we don't have enough time to have 2 billion Muslims meeting 15 million Jews. 0.94

00:32:58.960 How do we get around all that?

00:33:00.480 I think it's such a brilliant story because it also shows how people view Jews in such a light that even, but I think the Selwa story, it's because she actually got to know the Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, and fell in love with the Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew.

00:33:16.440 And that's why she couldn't separate it.

00:33:19.040 Your friend only met you for a coffee.

00:33:20.820 So, so like he was still able to see you as a, not a Jew, Jew, right?

00:33:25.720 And yeah, but you know, I wanted to actually ask you this question because I was reading a book by Hassan Hanafi, who's an Egyptian professor.

00:33:35.360 And the book is called Islam in the Modern World, I think.

00:33:37.740 And he proposes, he believes that the main reason why Islam is not reforming and it's not going to reform.

00:33:44.220 It's not because of that the Quran is the word of God, because, you know, the Christians 300 years ago, 400 years ago, believed in the Bible just as much as the Muslims believe in them now.

00:33:55.180 So, so his premise was that, like, he pretty much says the fact that the West progressed and the West achieved all of its scientific and technological advancements, it made the Arab world and the Muslim world jealous.

00:34:13.700 And the exact response that happens at jealousy is resentment, anger, hatred, everything that, you know, you know, as we come from this culture, anything that the West does, we oppose it.

00:34:26.360 Anything the West says is good, we say it's bad.

00:34:29.400 And that, so he argues that it's not necessarily the religion, but it's the culture, that we have failed as a culture, as a civilization.

00:34:37.980 And therefore, we have to act as kind of like a mirror to the West.

00:34:41.760 So I, I buy that.

00:34:44.060 I think it's both.

00:34:44.920 It's not either or.

00:34:46.140 I think there's elements of both.

00:34:47.900 Look, envy, as, as you know, is one of the seven deadly sins, right?

00:34:52.540 The seven deadly sins exist and have stood the test of time because they really do capture some of the darker elements of our human nature, right?

00:35:01.180 Even, even the, the, the Bible has in one of the 10 commandments, don't covet your neighbor's wife.

00:35:06.920 Well, coveting, covet, covetousness is envy.

00:35:10.500 You have something I don't, I'm angry.

00:35:13.140 Now, there is a positive emotion to envy whereby it compels me to work harder to get what you have.

00:35:20.860 You know, my neighbor has the fancy car and, and the, the beautiful house and so on.

00:35:25.780 Maybe if I work harder, I could resolve my sense of envy towards him.

00:35:30.960 But there is a dark side to envy, exactly to your point, which is, why is it that I've been going to the mosque for my entire life where I'm told I am the, the true believer? 0.99

00:35:42.320 And those people are the kuffar, they're nejus, they're, they're impure, they're disgusting. 1.00

00:35:48.160 And yet those people that Muhammad told us repeatedly about how evil they are, we have to get rid of Arabia of the Jews, promise me the hadith that says we will find the Jew hiding behind the tree, all of that stuff. 1.00

00:36:00.420 And yet those assholes seem to be, you know, winning at everything. 0.99

00:36:05.540 Just a few days ago, I don't know if you saw, I put up a, a histogram of the, the number of Nobel prizes by Jews and what percentage they constitute, number of, now people didn't take that and say, wow, that's a powerful, I mean, that's just a fact, right? 0.99

00:36:23.580 It's just, I'm not, and I, of course I put sarcastically, it's Islamophobic, but then many people wrote to me in anger saying how nasty I was for pointing to that.

00:36:34.860 So rather than look inward and say, well, wait a second, we're 2 billion people, we have four Nobel prizes, they're 15 million people, and they've got a hell of a lot more Nobel prizes.

00:36:46.700 What is it that we can do to resolve the question?

00:36:49.020 Now, I tell the story, I don't know if you know the story, I discussed it in the parasitic mind. 0.99

00:36:54.720 Look, the, the achievement of the, of Jews or, or, or any phenomenon could either come from nature or nurture.

00:37:01.980 And the question becomes how much of it is due to what?

00:37:04.840 So of course there is some research that shows on average Jews have higher IQs, blah, blah, blah. 0.95

00:37:09.420 But I'll put all that aside.

00:37:11.100 Let's just talk about the culture of learning and excellence, which could be accessible to anyone, right?

00:37:18.540 Could be accessible if I'm Mongolian or if I'm from New Zealand or if, so when I finished, I did my undergrad in mathematics and computer science.

00:37:28.320 And then I did an MBA and I did a mini thesis in operations research, applied mathematics.

00:37:33.820 I'm saying this because it's relevant to the story, not to share my CV.

00:37:37.620 After I finished my MBA, my brother, one of my brothers who lived in California, Southern California at the time, was interested in getting me to work with him for a few years.

00:37:47.360 And so he wanted me to maybe take a break from pursuing my PhD next.

00:37:51.920 And he was trying to convince me, why don't you come work with me, put on the suit, and then you could go back to your studies.

00:37:56.580 Well, when my mother heard that my brother was trying to convince me to not pursue my PhD, when I returned to Montreal after visiting him in California, she takes me to a side room, very concerned.

00:38:08.840 And she goes, I want to talk to you, Dad.

00:38:10.620 I said, OK, what's up, Mom?

00:38:12.380 She goes, I hear that you're thinking about taking a break.

00:38:15.180 Do you know what people are going to talk about us if they know that you're somebody who dropped out of school?

00:38:20.020 So from my mother's perspective, having an undergrad in mathematics and computer science, an MBA, and stopping then and not going on for your PhD would bring great shame to the family.

00:38:33.120 I mean, people are going to think you're somebody who had no education.

00:38:36.400 So that shows you the standard that you see in every single Jewish home, learning, learning, learning, learning. 0.94

00:38:43.300 Now, of course, there are millions and millions and millions of incredibly accomplished and incredibly educated Muslims, but they certainly, the Hamas guys are certainly not spending their money on building Jam'a, a university in Gaza, but spending it on killing the Jews. 0.87

00:39:00.900 So could that be a way if we can inculcate this deep reverence and love of learning, we can close the gap between the Islamic and Jewish worlds? 0.96

00:39:09.880 Yes and no.

00:39:39.880 There was, you know, people are trying to understand why in Sweden, how come?

00:39:45.000 And also one of the reasons that Sweden has taken in around 2 million people in the past 25 years, it's not only just because Swedes, you know, are naive and good hearted and they wanted to save the world and be, you know, the Ubermensch.

00:39:57.920 What happened is that after the Iranian revolution, the super educated people, Iranians, the elites of the educated Iranians fled to Sweden. 0.69

00:40:12.640 So Sweden had a taste of Jewish Iranians, if you will. 0.87

00:40:17.460 So when they received the flood of these very well accomplished Iranians who focus on education, because education and pursuing education is one of the most important steps into actually, you know, succeeding and accomplishing anything.

00:40:32.920 And what we are arriving to right now and we're saying, how come the Iranians that came to Sweden in the past 20 years are not like the Iranians who came in the 70s and 80s and 90s?

00:40:45.300 And how come the people who are coming from Iraq and other countries around the world are not as accomplished as the Iranians?

00:40:51.180 And the main answer that you actually find is educational background.

00:40:56.840 If your family has like a master's degree and PhD degree, then you're more likely to succeed.

00:41:03.460 And if your family has a PhD and a master's degree, they're more likely to push you just like your mother pushed you to do your PhD.

00:41:11.680 And, you know, before my mom sent me off to Sweden, she told me, look, I'm going to send you to like the best and most beautiful country in the world right now.

00:41:21.660 I'll let you go.

00:41:22.220 But if you don't have a PhD by the time you turn 30, you're not my son.

00:41:29.180 I turned 30 without a PhD, so I'm a huge disappointment to my mother.

00:41:36.360 But I think education is definitely a huge ground stone for why the Jews and the Jujus are very accomplished. 0.99

00:41:45.840 And I think I always say this, why can't we look up to the Jews, not from a point of inferiority complex and say, go to hell, we'll kill you. 0.97

00:41:56.700 But why can't we be like you? 0.99

00:41:58.920 Why can't we be as accomplished?

00:42:00.660 Why can't we go into science?

00:42:02.300 And the answer to that is because we're more preoccupied with the Quran and hadith and sunnah.

00:42:09.260 You know, I'm telling you, half of the books that I learned in school were about Muhammad.

00:42:15.000 I don't care about Muhammad. 1.00

00:42:16.300 Like, he's literally just a dude who came up with ideas and how many dudes have come about in history that have had their own ideas.

00:42:25.380 But we're so focused on his ideas and thoughts and so obsessed with them that there is no way for us to actually progress.

00:42:32.560 It's really sad.

00:42:34.320 I hear you.

00:42:35.220 Are you thinking of, given how it's starting to look quite bad in Sweden, I mean, certainly for Jews in Malmö, it's uniquely bad, as you probably know.

00:42:46.660 But is it bad enough for you in Sweden that you're thinking of making the next hijra move? 1.00

00:42:52.700 Hijra means immigration. 0.94

00:42:55.620 I have been.

00:42:57.480 Actually, my partner has moved to another who is Swedish.

00:43:01.420 He's left Sweden and he moves in another country.

00:43:03.580 I won't disclose which country.

00:43:05.220 So I find myself back and forth.

00:43:07.300 Okay.

00:43:07.920 And whenever I leave Sweden, I feel like, oh, my God, there's this, like, dark cloudness of insecurity that runs away.

00:43:15.760 Because actually, like, I'm completely unknown to, like, to people.

00:43:20.600 But in Sweden, a lot of people are aware of me because I've been on TV a bunch of times.

00:43:25.680 I've even stood in a TV and Swedish television and debated a Muslim.

00:43:31.700 And I told her back then I was a bit more furious. 0.98

00:43:35.160 So I told her that Islam is a danger to humanity. 1.00

00:43:38.600 And saying this in Sweden, you know, my inbox was flooded with the threats that night. 0.89

00:43:45.100 So I'm not very safe in Sweden.

00:43:47.460 But I really don't care about, you know, that aspect.

00:43:53.400 What I do care about most is my ability to actually practice freedom of speech, to be able to voice my opinions and thoughts.

00:44:01.080 Because I actually came to Europe in order to be able to do that.

00:44:05.080 And if there is no, if I cannot express myself in Sweden or in the West, then there's no reason to live, really.

00:44:13.220 Would you ever consider, not necessarily to permanently move back, but is it safe for you to ever go back to Yemen?

00:44:21.260 Or is Yemen off limits?

00:44:24.140 Yemen is absolutely off limits to me. 1.00

00:44:27.180 I mean, for many reasons, there is a, you know, being an Islamophobe in Yemen is not just, you don't just have like leftists screaming at you, racist Islamophobe. 0.97

00:44:38.040 You actually get knives slitting your throat by law.

00:44:42.940 So it's not an option for me.

00:44:44.980 But I am a Swedish citizen.

00:44:46.300 And I do think, I'm actually thinking of like what country would be perfect for someone who is critical of Islam and wants to live safely.

00:44:54.080 And that is something.

00:44:54.500 Not Canada. 0.53

00:44:55.460 Not Canada. 0.53

00:44:57.180 Not Canada. 0.53

00:44:58.740 Maybe there are certain areas and gated communities in Canada.

00:45:02.340 Maybe gated communities.

00:45:03.500 But I just, I don't know if you saw earlier today, one of my articles was published in National Post, one of the big Canadian newspapers, where I was talking about, you know, the Jew hatred that I escaped from in Lebanon has now followed me to my university where, you know,

00:45:24.100 the dynamics at the dynamics at my university are really, really not pretty for Jewish students and certainly a high profile Jewish professor.

00:45:31.360 So, you know, the reality is that people often think that, oh, this problem is over there.

00:45:39.640 I'm too busy buying my tomatoes.

00:45:41.720 It's my daughter's graduation.

00:45:43.640 I don't have time to worry about this until you have to worry about it.

00:45:47.200 So, for example, many of my liberal Jewish friends who all along would have said to you, oh, my God, you're such an Islamophobe because my friend Ahmed is a lovely guy and he doesn't want to kill anybody.

00:45:59.660 You clearly don't understand Islam, or they would say, I'm an Islamophobe and so on.

00:46:06.540 Well, now, because their child is getting harassed and attacked at Columbia and Cornell, they're waking up and writing to me, dear Professor Saad, oh boy, I guess I should have listened to you.

00:46:17.520 So, in a sense, the tragedy is people don't wake up until it narcissistically affects them, then they wake up, but then the problem is much too late to intervene, right?

00:46:31.680 Yes, and it's like, I have a story that I told my friend about.

00:46:36.640 One of my followers and friends who I love very dearly now, I went to university with her at Malmo.

00:46:43.440 And at that time, I started writing in Swedish and being vocal about how migration policies are not the best in Sweden.

00:46:50.840 And because of that, in 2018, it was so much more taboo back then in Sweden.

00:46:55.360 So, she started, she joined an Antifa group in, or like she supported an Antifa group in university who called me a fascist and a far-right extremist for saying that Swedish migration policies are not working.

00:47:08.280 And the questions that they asked me were like, oh, well, you're an immigrant, well, you're brown, well, you'll never be accepted by white people, which are just, anyway, so she was completely opposed to me.

00:47:18.680 And she, you know, she, they even bullied my friends at university. 1.00

00:47:22.140 How can you be friends with that immigrant who is, how can you be friends with a self-hating immigrant who doesn't like migration, even though he's a migrant himself? 0.75

00:47:32.400 Two years later, she was almost killed by her family for dating a Swedish guy.

00:47:38.560 And she sent me a message saying, hey, you're actually right.

00:47:42.680 And I'm sorry for how I treated you back then, but you're absolutely right.

00:47:46.500 So, even in our own communities where we get killed and we get slaughtered by our own families, you really need to be hit in the face for you to realize that this affects human beings.

00:47:58.480 And in Sweden specifically, now there's this awakening by politicians and journalists.

00:48:07.340 And the reason for that is also because the bombings and shootings stopped happening in the so-called no-go zones and now are happening in the finest areas of Stockholm, where the politicians and the journalists reside.

00:48:21.220 So, now they cannot escape it.

00:48:23.100 And now that they fear for their lives and now that they fear for their children, now migration is a big issue.

00:48:29.940 And it is, you know, every Swedish mouth and every Swedish politician speaks of it and journalists because it affects them directly.

00:48:38.620 Otherwise, they would not have cared.

00:48:40.200 Even though people have been talking about the issues of migration for the past 30 years, but they've been labeled as, as you know, racist and far right.

00:48:48.280 Right.

00:48:48.960 What do you, so I've put out recently several tweets that have gone, you know, really super viral, 10 million, 20 million, and so on.

00:48:56.500 One of which where I listed sort of nine steps that the West would have to follow in order to address the problem.

00:49:04.380 All of which revolve around the idea of, you know, you can't tolerate millions of people coming into your shores that don't share any of your foundational values.

00:49:14.580 There are really only two, let's speak very, very frankly and openly, there are only two possibilities once those folks are in.

00:49:23.300 Number one, through some magical process, like the general abrogation that we talked about earlier, where every single Muslim decides, hey, I'm done with this stuff. 1.00

00:49:33.600 I'm going to abide by these cultural norms of my host nation.

00:49:38.400 Or at some point, countries will have to say, sorry, you're simply inconsistent with what we have here.

00:49:45.880 You pose an existential threat.

00:49:47.940 It's called deportation en masse.

00:49:51.080 Do you see either of those things happening?

00:49:53.120 Or do you see, which frankly, I hate to say it, that's my pessimism speaking now, it's going to be a never-ending, increasing level of strife and conflict for the next 50, 100, 300 years, and then it will be a bloodbath.

00:50:10.460 What are your thoughts?

00:50:11.100 I think, honestly, I think that what's going to happen in Sweden, like Sweden is the extreme, like I said earlier, it's the extreme prime example of the West, because it has taken the most amount of migrants and most amounts of Muslims, and it has also been the least successful country at integrating migrants into the country. 0.80

00:50:35.080 And I think what's going to happen in the coming 20, 30 years is just there's going to be a slow escalation of whatever the hell has been happening.

00:50:44.200 And I think that the Swedish Democrats, who are the right-wing political party, but according to every international media outlet, it's the far-right political party.

00:50:53.120 They want, like, they're the far-right, according to the media, but their policy is, we want to give people an incitement to go back to their countries by giving them $25,000.

00:51:09.120 Now they're speaking about, if you, you know, commit major crimes like rape or murder, then it's a foundation for deportation.

00:51:18.180 So, what I once spoke to a Swedish, a far-right Nazi political politician, and I told him, okay, you want to deport all of the criminals and all of the people who are, you know, raping and committing crime.

00:51:34.320 How many migrants in Sweden are actually committing crime?

00:51:37.360 Crime, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, like, I don't know, but like, let's say that it's 25,000 or 30,000.

00:51:45.020 Okay, you deport 30,000, you're still taking in hundreds of thousands every year.

00:51:51.340 The demographic change, according to Pew Research, Sweden will be around 30% Muslim by 2050.

00:51:58.900 2050, when you think of time and how time is extremely relevant.

00:52:04.020 Demography is destiny.

00:52:05.240 Demography is destiny.

00:52:08.000 So, I do think that, sadly, is that the demographic change that's happening in Sweden is going to flip the political climate upside down in ways that never happened in Sweden.

00:52:19.940 And I do need to tell you about this political party in Sweden that's called Partiet Nijans, which means like the party of nuance.

00:52:30.860 And it is a political, they really like coming up with creative political parties.

00:52:35.620 But this party in specific, it has an Islamist agenda.

00:52:39.840 They want to ban, you know, burning the Quran or insulting Islam, like put you in jail or, you know.

00:52:45.460 And this party received around 30% of the public vote in the area in Rinkeby and in the immigrant-dominated areas.

00:52:56.540 So, the areas where immigrants are highly populated, in Sweden, 30% voted for this political party.

00:53:06.060 And this party is right now the number one Palestine-supporting party in Sweden.

00:53:11.140 They have not yet entered the parliament because you need 4% in order to enter the parliament.

00:53:17.120 And they were only able to get 1.5%.

00:53:19.820 But inshallah, it will happen soon.

00:53:22.500 Inshallah, it will happen soon.

00:53:24.400 And I think the demographic change is something that the Swedes and Europeans are going to slowly wake up to.

00:53:32.160 And then they're going to start pushing on deportation and kicking people.

00:53:37.500 I think what we will see is that we're going to start hearing people say,

00:53:41.400 if you do not pay taxes and you have had a citizenship, then you also get deported.

00:53:48.880 I think there will be much more of that.

00:53:50.940 And I think what I fear is the rise of the Islamists, like the jihadi Islamists, 1.00

00:53:58.040 and the rise of the far, far right, the actual far right.

00:54:01.720 Yes, yes.

00:54:02.340 And I do think that what scares me about Sweden, the creepiest thing about Sweden,

00:54:08.020 is that even though Sweden has the highest amount of Muslim migrants in all of Europe per capita,

00:54:15.080 Sweden has had the least amount of terror attacks.

00:54:19.320 And in Swedes usually, like, you know, hit their chest and think that that's a good thing. 0.97

00:54:24.820 But I think, like, I'm convinced that it is a strategy by the jihadis and the Islamists because they love Sweden. 0.99

00:54:33.360 Sweden has been kissing Islamists' asses, sorry, for the past 30 years. 0.99

00:54:38.640 You know, they've been pumping money into Islamic organizations and sending billions more money per capita to Palestine than any other country in the West. 0.99

00:54:48.880 They've also one of the few countries that actually recognized Palestine.

00:54:54.040 Like, Swedes are obsessed with Islamic. 0.77

00:54:56.480 It's very exotic to them.

00:54:57.980 So they want to pride themselves on, now that they've let go of religion, because, you know, around 90% of Swedes are atheists or don't believe in God.

00:55:06.200 So now they have this new religion of actually adapting exotism and feminism and all these things.

00:55:12.740 So I do think that the Islamists in Sweden are really creepy because they're silent.

00:55:17.320 They're not doing anything because they're just pumping out babies, getting money from the social warfare, and they're actually waging a war against the society, but a cold war.

00:55:28.420 Well, I don't know if you know that.

00:55:29.960 I know we speak, you know, somewhat different Arabic dialects.

00:55:33.920 You speak Yemeni Arabic.

00:55:34.860 I speak Lebanese Arabic.

00:55:35.760 But, you know, do you know what these words mean?

00:55:39.840 Right.

00:55:40.060 So the Islamists understand that.

00:55:43.680 Right.

00:55:44.300 They're they're they're. 1.00

00:55:46.320 So they can play your bullshit because they understand the Western mindset and then they play you. 1.00

00:55:52.540 And as you know, the Muslim Brotherhood has said this. 1.00

00:55:55.800 Omar Gaddafi has said this.

00:55:59.660 Many other Islamic leaders have said this.

00:56:02.100 We're going to conquer the West in by three ways.

00:56:06.100 We're going to conquer the West by the womb of our women. 0.93

00:56:09.000 That's demography.

00:56:10.180 That's fertility. 1.00

00:56:11.140 We're going to conquer the West through hijra immigration. 1.00

00:56:15.040 And then we're going to conquer the West by using your miserable freedoms against you. 0.87

00:56:20.540 And they're doing that perfectly.

00:56:23.480 They're telling you what they're doing. 1.00

00:56:25.060 And yet the West and Justin Trudeau and the rest of the imbeciles go, oh, but it's so exotic. 0.99

00:56:30.700 My friend Ahmed, he's really lovely and he's peaceful. 0.99

00:56:33.960 Therefore, Islam is peaceful.

00:56:35.160 And I think until we're able to recognize the distinction between individual people who could be nice or mean or whatever, and the tenets of Islam, which are not necessarily congruent with Western values, we're only going to get into deeper trouble.

00:56:51.140 Absolutely. 0.74

00:56:53.140 I also think it hangs along with the mass psychosis of believing that white people in the West are the devil, the devil himself, and the atrocities that they've committed in history are unforgivable. 0.94

00:57:03.140 So even if we take over their countries, even if the West becomes an Islamic khilafah, they deserve it for all the atrocities that they've committed against, you know, by colonizing the bigger part of the world and et cetera. 1.00

00:57:18.000 But hasn't the Islamic culture colonized the bigger part?

00:57:20.280 I was just going to say, so I put up, I don't know if you saw me, I put up, I said, hey, there are 57 Islamic countries and territories, if you include the Palestinian territories, within the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

00:57:32.160 Each of those countries, once upon a time, had zero Muslims and then magically one day became 99%, 100% Islamic. 0.97

00:57:42.020 How did that happen?

00:57:42.960 Not every place we took out the heads of everybody, but certainly in many, many places, it wasn't through giving out candies, and yet people don't get it.

00:57:53.140 No, they really don't.

00:57:54.780 But, you know, it's like they really have to have an enemy to blame all of their issues on. 0.98

00:57:58.800 Right now it's the Jews, but when anti-Semitism is not, you know, on the top of the agenda, it's white people that they hate so much. 0.97

00:58:06.000 And the question, like, they also bring slavery and how black people are treated. 0.95

00:58:12.240 And it's like, I need you to go to Yemen and talk to Yemenis about black people because they don't say black people.

00:58:18.460 They say slaves.

00:58:21.160 Yeah, Abed. 1.00

00:58:22.060 So, like, if you really want to talk about colonization and a really horrendous view on human rights and humans, and you're trying to flog Westerners because of their history, look at the presence of the Arab world. 1.00

00:58:36.100 Look at the presence of the Islamic world and how they treat their women and their black people and the LGBTQ community. 1.00

00:58:42.760 It's really exhausting. 0.96

00:58:44.380 It's unbelievable.

00:58:45.220 Well, listen, if we can find a way to very quickly clone you so we could have about 5, 10 million of you going around doing those video clips, we might have a chance.

00:58:57.280 What a pleasure to meet you.

00:58:58.860 I could continue talking to you for another five hours, but I'm worried that my constant coughing is going.

00:59:04.860 Watch now.

00:59:06.000 Go to the comments section after I post this.

00:59:08.540 People won't talk about anything that we discuss. 1.00

00:59:11.120 It'll be, why couldn't you control your coughing, you bastard? 0.99

00:59:15.880 I really want to thank you for actually doing this, even though you have a nasty cough. 0.99

00:59:21.080 It really means a lot to me.

00:59:22.300 Thank you.

00:59:22.560 No, that was wonderful.

00:59:23.660 Please keep doing what you're doing.

00:59:24.760 Is there anything that you want to tell us about a next book that you're writing, a series, something that you want to promote?

00:59:30.860 Please take it away before we say goodbye.

00:59:33.160 Well, I would say follow me on X or Twitter or TikTok, especially the coming week, because I will be visiting a specific holy land.

00:59:43.240 All right.

00:59:43.980 Well, I look forward to that.

00:59:45.400 It's at L-U-A-I Ahmed, A-H-M-E-D. 0.98

00:59:52.600 No, no.

00:59:52.960 It's at Just Luai.

00:59:54.760 Just Luai.

00:59:55.460 Sorry.

00:59:55.780 Sorry.

00:59:56.000 You're right.

00:59:56.340 You're right.

00:59:56.920 So Just, J-U-S-T-L-U-A-I. 1.00

01:00:00.520 Yeah.

01:00:00.900 And on TikTok, it's Just Luai Ahmed.

01:00:03.760 So, yeah.

01:00:04.320 Perfect.

01:00:04.800 Wonderful.

01:00:05.180 Thank you so much.

01:00:05.760 Stay on the line so we can say goodbye offline.

01:00:07.760 Real pleasure to meet you.

01:00:08.860 I look forward to seeing some of your future content.

01:00:11.240 Thank you so much.

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My Chat with Yemeni-Swedish Activist Luai Ahmed - On Islamic Culture (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_621)

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