The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad

00:00:00.000 one. Hi, everybody. This is Gatsad for the Sad Truth. I believe that my current guest that

00:00:06.420 you're seeing right now might be a three-peat on the Sad Truth. I'll have to go back to see

00:00:10.820 whether... Lawrence, can you confirm, is this your second or third appearance?

00:00:15.940 It is my third appearance. Anything else is mis- or disinformation.

00:00:21.120 Zionist misinformation, I would say.

00:00:23.260 Zionist disinformation, yes, exactly. 0.97

00:00:25.360 Well, you are now in a very, very elite group of people to be a three-peat, but it's never too

00:00:32.240 soon to speak to you again, although I wish it were under better circumstances. This is,

00:00:36.720 for those of you who don't know, Lawrence Fox, who is a British actor, social commentator,

00:00:42.300 journalist, and also the head of the Reclaim Party, so officially also a politician. Recently,

00:00:49.100 he faced some very, very hot waters because he committed a linguistic genocide. And so maybe 0.69

00:00:57.440 we can start with that story and then proceed to other lunacy that is engulfing us. Take it away.

00:01:04.140 Are we referring to the linguistic genocide being saying that I didn't want to have sex with someone? 0.56

00:01:10.980 Would that be the question?

00:01:11.840 That's the one. Or as the British so eloquently put it, I wouldn't shag her or something. You know, 0.98

00:01:17.760 I think that word came into my mind when I was watching Austin Powers 20 plus years ago, you know,

00:01:26.540 whatever he would use that term. But of course, it has re-entered the lexicon of the North American

00:01:31.740 mind via your story. Tell us what happened.

00:01:34.900 So there was an, I think she's a journalist, I don't know what she is, a social commentator

00:01:41.020 called Ava Evans, who is, whose favourite word seemingly is shag, weirdly, because people have

00:01:47.080 gone back through her tweets to find her saying the word shag more than anyone else. She belittled

00:01:51.940 the idea of male mental health and the fact that the biggest killer of men under 50 in the UK

00:01:56.080 is suicide. I was asked to go on GB News, which I used to be hired by to discuss it. And because

00:02:05.260 of my personal experiences with male suicide, I was very annoyed. And I tried to make the point that

00:02:12.720 any man who locked himself into a relationship with a 44th wave feminist like that was committing

00:02:19.440 himself to a life of abject misery. And that came out, probably could have come out better.

00:02:26.620 But GB News, a very organised pile-on was arranged and then Loza was, was hoofed from his job.

00:02:34.120 Yeah.

00:02:34.520 And so I, just last week, I had Calvin Robinson on the show, who very honourably and nobly came to your defence.

00:02:44.840 And so he was fired by proxies because you're so toxic that anybody who comes out publicly in support

00:02:52.140 of your position needs to also be guillotined.

00:02:56.800 Yes. I mean, I think his treatment should have been harder. Not only should he have been fired,

00:03:02.260 but potentially killed. 0.99

00:03:04.200 Flogged? Flogged?

00:03:05.860 Well, I mean, why stop at flogging?

00:03:09.360 Oh, so decapitation.

00:03:11.580 Oh, the whole thing. Hung drawn and quarters. 0.68

00:03:13.880 Like, like the good old days.

00:03:16.140 And it, yeah, I mean, the great thing about situations like this is it always informs you

00:03:21.160 of who the truly courageous honey badgers are.

00:03:24.300 And Calvin Robinson is one.

00:03:26.420 And, you know, here's a lot to lose, you know.

00:03:29.100 And this is a guy who's been cancelled from everything because he refuses to be what they

00:03:35.540 call politically black. 0.92

00:03:37.920 You know, he may be racially black, but he doesn't have the right politics for how black 1.00

00:03:42.240 people should think. So he gets more abuse. 0.99

00:03:45.780 I mean, I get a lot of abuse, but the abuse that Calvin gets, he gets the racism on top

00:03:49.980 of the fact that he just refuses to think like an oppressed little minority that he's

00:03:55.960 meant to behave like.

00:03:56.800 Like, he actually believes that his brain and his merit might get him somewhere. 0.98

00:04:02.440 I mean, this is ridiculous. 0.86

00:04:03.680 Why don't you just take this? 0.98

00:04:05.180 I was going to say, it's disgusting that he feels as though he's got personal agency

00:04:10.780 and personal dignity.

00:04:12.740 I mean, we don't want minorities to be thinking that they are individuals, do we? 1.00

00:04:19.280 No, no, no, no.

00:04:19.880 We absolutely don't.

00:04:21.360 We want minorities to believe 100% that the world is against them and the only people that 1.00

00:04:28.800 can look after them are white people. 0.89

00:04:30.600 And once we realize this system and we understand it, that guilty white liberals are the answer

00:04:35.740 and that it is not in any way racist at all to look at your fellow human being and see 1.00

00:04:41.800 them as somehow an underdog that you need to help just based on something as stupid as 1.00

00:04:45.760 the color of their skin. 0.99

00:04:46.700 The world would be a happier place, Gad, and we need to get to that place.

00:04:49.620 Now, watch how someone is going to take this clip that is, yes, satirical and prepare for

00:04:59.260 a new wave of hate, Lawrence.

00:05:02.040 Oh, I love it.

00:05:02.640 So, where are we in the GB News firing?

00:05:06.620 I mean, yes, you're fired.

00:05:09.140 Is there a lawsuit that's being mounted?

00:05:11.420 Can you talk about where we are?

00:05:12.920 What's the current situation?

00:05:15.280 I just sent them an email actually about 30 seconds ago because the deadline to appeal

00:05:20.340 is 5 p.m. UK time today.

00:05:22.480 I've just sent them an email saying that they've fired me because and I'm appealing against it

00:05:27.840 because of sexual discrimination.

00:05:29.200 Because if one of our holy 44th wave feminists had said the same about me, everyone would 1.00

00:05:36.160 have laughed, which indeed they did on British TV.

00:05:39.580 Two days later, they were going, I felt objectified.

00:05:44.180 I felt sick.

00:05:45.680 Yes.

00:05:46.620 My mental health.

00:05:47.680 It's just appalling.

00:05:49.960 So, I'm appealing my sacking for gross misconduct because these rules would not apply to a female 1.00

00:05:56.320 in the same situation.

00:05:58.560 Do you feel that the ecosystem is potentially going to rule in your favor?

00:06:06.040 I mean, I understand that there is a facetious element to what you're saying.

00:06:09.600 But I mean, it is true that there is a grotesque double standard.

00:06:13.300 Will people be on your side or do you think it's a losing battle?

00:06:18.360 Nothing is a losing battle in the march towards progressivism.

00:06:22.600 And I will fight tooth and nail for absolute equity between men and women.

00:06:29.640 I think equity is what's required.

00:06:31.900 And, you know, moving forward in campaigns, I'd like to see more female suicide because 1.00

00:06:36.280 I'd like them to get up there with the men. 0.98

00:06:37.820 And, you know, I want to see women dying in war. 1.00

00:06:41.400 I want to see women sewer cleaners. 1.00

00:06:43.220 I want to see this happen.

00:06:45.120 Well, by the way, as you know, both of our intellectual hero, Hillary Clinton, famously 0.96

00:06:53.520 said in a speech that when men go to war and die in the thousands, if not millions, the

00:07:01.120 real victim are the women that are left to mourn them. 0.99

00:07:07.000 So even when men are blown up in war, the real victim of such a reality are women. 0.88

00:07:13.460 That's clear.

00:07:14.940 This has been obvious to anyone with a brain for years.

00:07:18.160 Hillary Clinton, peace be upon her, is one of the one of the finest politicians that America 0.99

00:07:23.960 has ever produced.

00:07:25.040 You know, she she had the 2016 election was robbed from her. 1.00

00:07:29.080 It was definitely true. 0.95

00:07:30.320 The evil tyrant Donald Trump robbed the election of her with the assistance of Russian disinformation. 0.73

00:07:36.100 So hopefully her influence, which is working its way through the White House in America

00:07:40.060 at the moment, will continue to bring great prosperousness to the to the great nation of

00:07:44.220 America.

00:07:45.160 Amen.

00:07:45.620 Amen.

00:07:46.100 Mashallah.

00:07:46.940 All right.

00:07:47.400 Let's move on to another hot topic, maybe with slightly bigger geopolitical ramifications

00:07:53.500 than your otherwise very tragic personal situation.

00:07:57.700 Although your personal situation is a manifestation of the greater zeitgeist that we are seeing.

00:08:04.380 What how is it looking in terms of the safety of Jews in England these days?

00:08:12.160 Well, we've seen we've had our own Kristallnacht in North London, which is tends to be the home

00:08:18.300 of the Jewish community in the UK.

00:08:20.520 We've had their stores vandalised and the glass broken.

00:08:25.140 We've had 5000 Hamas supporting non assimilated British people or non British people who knows

00:08:32.380 these days with open borders out celebrating the appalling things that have happened in Israel.

00:08:39.240 And I think the Jewish community, we've had headmasters saying, please, they've cancelled

00:08:45.580 detentions in schools.

00:08:46.740 They're saying, don't wear your blazers into schools.

00:08:48.920 The Jewish community feel terrified in the UK.

00:08:53.620 The national broadcaster, the BBC, refuses to label Hamas a terrorist organisation,

00:08:59.480 although our own royal family came out and called them a terrorist organisation.

00:09:04.080 They've been labelled by our own government as a terrorist organisation.

00:09:07.280 But the British Benevolent Bullshit Corporation have decided that, you know, in the interests 0.80

00:09:13.220 of balance, that they're not going to say that those who rape and murder women and children 0.98

00:09:17.200 are terrorists. 0.97

00:09:19.200 So it's a very, very bad time to be a British Jew, I would say at the moment. 0.95

00:09:24.760 But we're grateful to the Football Association, peace be upon it, for having put every single

00:09:32.780 flag they could possibly put on the famous Wembley Arches.

00:09:35.960 You know, I know you love football.

00:09:37.420 They put the LGBTQ flag, they put the Ukrainian flag, but they're not going to put the Israeli 1.00

00:09:42.260 flag on the Arches.

00:09:45.640 Yes.

00:09:46.180 And also, I mean, you have to, I think you're being unfair to them in that they do perform

00:09:51.960 the kneeling ritual, which I found to be very powerful and moving and changing the needle

00:09:57.660 of people's hearts.

00:09:58.580 So there is that, at least.

00:10:00.640 Oh, and to know, having seen the wonderful outpourings from Black Lives Matter Chicago,

00:10:07.700 which moved me so much to see the paragliding terrorists just before they went to massacre

00:10:13.180 innocent people dancing at a party.

00:10:15.080 For Black Lives Matter Chicago to say that and to know that these people earning tiny amounts

00:10:21.260 of money, like £250,000 a week, they have nothing, these footballers.

00:10:24.900 To know that they're kneeling to that Marxist, racist organisation must give us hope that

00:10:33.100 the footballers will lead us out of this problem.

00:10:36.120 I'm slightly feeling aggrieved by the fact that you are as sarcastic as I am.

00:10:43.340 I don't appreciate that.

00:10:44.660 I need to always be the king of sarcasm in any room.

00:10:48.220 Well done, Mr. Fox.

00:10:49.820 Okay, but speaking of which, by the way, but in all seriousness, this is going to get serious

00:10:55.800 really quickly.

00:10:57.820 Your point about, you know, not the Brits, not where I saw the tweet by JK Rowling, where

00:11:02.520 she put a little news clip, you know, of, you know, please don't wear Star of David if

00:11:08.280 you're Jewish and or other Jewish accoutrement. 0.87

00:11:10.160 And so I just put out a short one minute clip on my Twitter feed, where I read from very early

00:11:18.580 in my book, in The Parasitic Mind, where I tell the story of, as we were escaping Lebanon,

00:11:25.200 you know, during the first year of the civil war in the mid 70s, and the captain of the plane

00:11:32.160 announced that we were now out of Lebanese airspace.

00:11:36.960 My mother took out a pendant and said, you could now wear this proudly, and you don't

00:11:44.520 have to hide your identity.

00:11:46.480 Now, imagine 45 plus years later, I look at my children in Montreal, Canada, and I say

00:11:54.100 to them the exact opposite of what my mother told me.

00:11:57.900 Are you sure you want to wear that Star of David at the soccer field today, son?

00:12:02.300 And so I don't think there's anything that can probably capture how poignant the moment

00:12:09.700 is than that, right?

00:12:10.920 I mean, 1975, wear the Star of David as you leave Lebanon.

00:12:18.100 2023, don't wear Star of David in London.

00:12:21.520 Don't wear it in Montreal.

00:12:23.240 Could we ever get out of this mess, Lawrence?

00:12:25.320 It doesn't seem to be going to happen in a rush.

00:12:31.680 You know, this idea that, A, we've got a real problem, as you say in your book, and as people

00:12:37.480 have noticed, we've got a real problem with that.

00:12:39.420 One second, guys, one of my dogs is on heat, and the other one's just chasing me around.

00:12:43.980 Go to your basket.

00:12:45.320 Go to your basket.

00:12:45.780 We've got a major problem in this country with the use of language.

00:12:51.720 So we've called everyone racist fascists for the last five or six years, and therefore

00:12:56.680 we've run out of words to describe actual atrocity.

00:13:00.000 We don't know what to call it anymore.

00:13:02.420 So what happens is those that have been calling everyone racist fascists for the last five years

00:13:08.020 don't know what to say when something genuinely horrendous happens.

00:13:11.660 So you lose all the nuance in it.

00:13:13.320 And I think that, of course, in the real world, we would be saying we condemn, utterly condemn

00:13:21.680 what Hamas have done, and we mourn completely the loss of innocent Palestinian life, the children 0.98

00:13:28.660 that will die as a result of this.

00:13:30.420 And that's not really a moral equivalence or a taking of a side.

00:13:35.080 It's saying actions have reactions, don't they?

00:13:38.160 And in this case, justifiable ones.

00:13:41.160 In the situation, if I was put in that situation, I would have the fury of Ben Shapiro that he does.

00:13:48.180 I don't think in a world where identity is more important than personality and reality,

00:13:54.780 all we're going to do is create more tribes to attack.

00:13:57.440 And we're noticing a massive rise in anti-Semitism.

00:14:00.860 We're about to have a Labour government elected into the UK, which is riddled with anti-Semitism.

00:14:06.220 So, you know, it's one of the few things you're allowed to be nowadays, is an anti-Semite.

00:14:12.920 You know, I even heard some guy trying to explain that, saying it, calling it an anti-Semite was wrong

00:14:17.520 because the Semites are from across all different parts of that area of the world.

00:14:21.840 And I'm like, you know what we're talking about, man.

00:14:24.160 Please try to stop doing this.

00:14:26.780 And I'm not a geopolitical expert.

00:14:28.040 I don't know the ins and outs of the Israeli-Palestine situation.

00:14:32.780 What I do know is that if people are dancing at a party, you don't go and rape and massacre them.

00:14:38.540 I know that's terrorism.

00:14:40.620 So the UK, I think, there's tacit support for what has gone on, as we've seen on the street.

00:14:45.940 And I think in terms of the response from our political class, I think it's, you know, it wouldn't make me feel particularly safe and confident.

00:14:55.180 I wouldn't feel like, oh, yeah, really, people are behind us here.

00:14:58.020 And as you see with the Football Association.

00:14:59.840 But you know why the Football Association don't want to put the Jewish flag up?

00:15:02.660 Because huge swathes of London would descend on that football stadium.

00:15:06.700 Incredible.

00:15:07.140 That's what would happen.

00:15:08.060 You know, I mean, by disposition, Lawrence, I'm an optimistic person.

00:15:13.180 I have a sunny disposition.

00:15:15.040 I like to see levity even in very serious situations, hence why we were going back and forth, you and I, trying to mock some of the lunacy.

00:15:23.220 But the reality is it's difficult at times to find any silver linings, any optimism, because, you know, frankly, what I see is an irrevocable decline of the West.

00:15:37.160 Because there are certain things that have been taken out of the proverbial, you know, the cat is out of the bag, that it would take unbelievably bold measures to reverse.

00:15:47.200 Do you have any optimism or do you share, in this case, my pessimism?

00:15:52.900 Where are you on that continuum?

00:15:54.280 Well, you know, the second half of the Eva Evans story, or Eva Evans story, was on Tuesday morning.

00:16:02.100 I had six policemen walk into my house, bow through my front door, and arrest me.

00:16:07.300 So I think the message is being sent to those who wish to live in hope, which I think is what God commands us to do, you know, trust in me with all your heart and all of this sort of stuff.

00:16:19.700 Is the message is being sent by the progressives that, you know, if you won't shut up, if you don't stop talking about this stuff, you're going to end up in jail.

00:16:29.680 And that's a worrying development for the United Kingdom, particularly because we have no free speech defence in this country at all.

00:16:36.600 And we have an awful lot of laws not being applied in the same way.

00:16:40.340 So I suppose we're trying to break down the metrics of which you could measure how healthy a society is.

00:16:46.760 The presumption of innocence, that's gone in the United Kingdom.

00:16:50.120 That's finished.

00:16:50.620 Free speech, gone.

00:16:52.680 And equal application of the law, gone. 0.93

00:16:55.980 So, and when you vote for the political parties, you're essentially voting for exactly the same Aztec sun-worshipping lunatic, you know, kind of old school weirdos.

00:17:06.280 And the media will say, will parrot exactly the same line to the point where they won't even condemn pure nihilistic onage.

00:17:15.800 So my optimism is that at some point, the British people, this so-called silent majority, who are silent for a reason, because they see what happens to people who actually speak out, will say enough is enough.

00:17:28.340 But identity politics is destroying our country.

00:17:31.860 It's making a nation of victims.

00:17:36.160 And, you know, no one needs to live in a state of victimhood.

00:17:38.720 But my optimism is that every time they've tried this, they've lost.

00:17:44.040 They always overreach.

00:17:45.600 I do have faith.

00:17:47.000 So I believe that God is on our side and that he doesn't want people to hate each other and murder each other and kill each other and find division in each other.

00:17:55.740 So I think there's hope in the long run.

00:17:57.320 I just don't know how quickly we can turn this around.

00:18:00.780 You just have to look at the reading materials I get sent from my son's school, the stuff that they talk about, the diversity, equity and inclusion, the Black History Months, the Pride Months, the white privilege, all of this stuff.

00:18:12.260 You're going, hang on, these guys are 20 years ahead of us.

00:18:15.980 And as much as I hate what they stand for, because I think it is pure nihilism, I admire the hell out of them for how good they are at it.

00:18:23.360 Yeah, that's true.

00:18:24.500 Well, I mean, you know, I often, when I'm delivering a lecture in my consumer behavior class, and at one point I talk about the ethics of marketing to children, advertising to children, I say that, you know, usually the psychological explanation for when you should be allowed or not allowed to target children

00:18:47.860 is a function of whether they have reached the cognitive developmental stage to be able to mount a cognitive defense against your persuasion strategy, right?

00:18:57.520 So the advertiser is trying to get me to buy this cereal or this chewing gum, and as long as I'm aware that that's what he's doing, I can then develop a counter-argument point.

00:19:07.600 And so we can debate as to whether that happens when the child is 8 or 6 or 12, but how hypocritical is it that on the one hand, from this side of our mouth, we say,

00:19:17.860 hey, advertisers, you can't target children and sell them cereals, they're simply too fragile and young to be able to understand what you're trying to do to them.

00:19:26.560 But then from this side of the mouth, we can teach them about, you know, queer, whatever theory and, you know, twerking drag queens when they're 5 and 6, because we want to teach them how to be tolerant. 0.99

00:19:38.300 You can't really square that circle, can you?

00:19:40.120 No, but I don't think they care that they can't square the circle, because nihilism is not reasonable or rational.

00:19:48.120 It's about the here and the now and grabbing power.

00:19:51.620 It has no meaning to it.

00:19:53.460 If it had meaning to it, I think the reason why it bothers people who work in the common sense area of their mind is that they need things to make sense.

00:20:01.820 Whereas the nihilists, the wokest, whatever we call them, these parasitically minded people, they don't care. 0.89

00:20:09.120 It doesn't bother them.

00:20:10.300 They don't care that they're inconsistent.

00:20:11.880 They don't care that they can turn around and they're clever, too.

00:20:14.820 So you just had, I think, today, either in Canada or maybe it was Scotland in the UK, they've changed the law of when a mind, as you were talking about, is developed enough to take responsibility for something.

00:20:24.820 So a rapist has just been let out of jail because apparently at 25, he didn't know what he was doing.

00:20:30.920 It's funny.

00:20:31.660 I've actually used that exact argument when I talk about the inconsistency of, you know, the age and cognitive development.

00:20:40.340 So if a child is 17 years old, 364 days, therefore he's not yet 18, if he takes out an insurance policy against his parents, lies in wait, then kills them to collect the insurance money, then the progressives come out and say, he's 17 years old, 364 days.

00:21:02.720 He's a child.

00:21:03.800 His prefrontal cortex won't develop until he's 25.

00:21:06.860 He didn't know that that was wrong.

00:21:08.520 But at the same time, if you are four years old and you say, I'm not a boy, I'm a girl, believe that child is ready to get that castration done because we have to believe them.

00:21:21.240 Makes perfect sense.

00:21:22.640 It does.

00:21:23.740 But again, your bigotry is on show again because I find it so upsetting that you, why would you stand against gender affirming care for children?

00:21:33.700 I just don't, I can't see, you know, why you would, why anyone other than a total bigot would not believe that the removing of genitals for someone who may or may not be mentally ill would be the first place to affirm the health care, right? 0.99

00:21:48.440 If you've got something wrong going on in your mind and you're a bit worried about your identity, the most important thing, take off the balls, commit irreversible medical mutilation. 0.84

00:21:58.740 And for you to try and present any kind of rational argument for that not being a good idea, I would imagine you'd struggle with. 0.98

00:22:04.700 If I had my whip of self-discussed readily available, I would start self-flagellating, but I'll leave that for another time.

00:22:13.040 All right.

00:22:14.260 Anything else that is, I mean, we have enough to upset us, but what are some other issues that are pissing the hell out of Lawrence Fox?

00:22:24.580 I think we've got to, we have a major problem with the police in this country.

00:22:31.000 I think what you want in society is as much stability as possible.

00:22:36.460 And what we've noticed is we've had so much that we've become affluent and leisurely and lazy and we've created outrage mobs and all of this sort of stuff.

00:22:43.440 But we have a major problem with the police who are going to send six people through my front door to arrest me for criticising a, I can't, whatever the words I can't say is part of my bail conditions, for criticising some climate scam bollocks, for want of a better way of putting it.

00:22:58.460 They'll send sick through my door. But if you lie on the street and glue yourself to the street in this country, they'll give you water and a hug while people's ambulances can't get to hospital and people die.

00:23:10.200 And what you're noticing is that once trust in the police is reduced, then general societal safety is undermined.

00:23:16.460 So we need to return to some seriously objective policing without fear or favour.

00:23:22.740 It's different in the UK as it is to the States. 0.99

00:23:25.780 And I don't know about Canada, what he's done with the guns, that crazy lunatic. 0.95

00:23:29.500 No, we're like you guys. 0.98

00:23:32.020 It's by consent.

00:23:33.940 The police police us by consent.

00:23:35.480 And we're starting to not consent to them policing us.

00:23:38.020 And that's not good.

00:23:39.440 That's the breakdown of law and order.

00:23:40.780 And the breakdown of law and order leads to some seriously bad things.

00:23:44.400 But, you know, at the end of the day, Gad, all of the things that I've said, some of them really in quite a hard way, and I do take responsibility for being a bit full on about these things, they've all come true.

00:23:54.620 So if what I anticipate is going to come true, comes true, which is there's going to be people who are just going to get fed up after a while, and they're going to turn around and there will be mass civil disobedience, and there will be stuff like that, then, you know, more innocent people are going to end up injured, hurt, dead, you know, because our government wouldn't stand up and do its job, which is to serve the people, not an ideology.

00:24:15.440 What do you think, so, you know, I speak to many people on my show who are avowed, committed honey badgers, and I'm always, as someone who studies psychology, who studies behavioral sciences, who lectures on personality differences, what do you think?

00:24:35.240 I mean, if there was a way for us to create a bottle that you can spray on people to help them find their testicles, help them find their spine, is there such a thing, or is that something, in your view, you're either born with it or not? 0.52

00:24:49.780 Lawrence Fox has always been irreverent to bullshit, he's always fought this, or is this something that you can help people develop? 0.98

00:24:56.580 What are your thoughts on that? 0.97

00:24:58.960 Well, we should learn from our betters, the progressives.

00:25:02.340 So what the progressives do is they're very well organized, it doesn't matter if you're weak, there are several strong ones, what they do is they say, it doesn't matter if you're weak, we've got you, you will come with us.

00:25:14.020 And so they gather in a much bigger group.

00:25:16.200 What we do is we're all so entrepreneurial that we just look out for ourselves.

00:25:20.140 I think we have to make, it's like old John Wayne films, you know, they weren't made because everyone cared about Westerns particularly,

00:25:28.120 they were made because they were built to support and uphold the society within which they were trying to celebrate,

00:25:33.460 and the media was used to uphold that society.

00:25:36.720 Now, everything is being used to dismantle it.

00:25:39.380 So I would say what we need to do is make great strong women who also maybe want to be mothers, 1.00

00:25:44.280 after, you know, I had people in my own family who took a bit of time to get their kids up and running,

00:25:50.660 and then they went back to work and they went back stronger and better.

00:25:53.540 I think we need to make the idea of having a family a great thing again.

00:25:57.700 I mean, that's the best revolution.

00:25:59.320 We need to make the idea of non-feminised men okay, not a toxic idea.

00:26:04.600 And we just keep, I think, ultimately leading by example. 0.93

00:26:07.780 And we'll see, you find out, but, you know, it is pretty tragic that the only person who had any balls at all was Calvin Robinson. 0.80

00:26:14.340 And look what happened to him.

00:26:15.860 So the right needs to stop, if it's the right, it's not, I don't think it is the right.

00:26:19.460 But the common sense people need to stop cancelling themselves would be a good start and start standing up for each other.

00:26:27.280 But we, you know, no one said it was going to be easy today.

00:26:31.000 Yeah, no, I hear you.

00:26:32.060 Speaking of, you know, promoting what should be very obvious to most people, we're sexually reproducing species.

00:26:38.860 So having families should be an inherent, indelible part of our human nature.

00:26:43.200 I was recently, I was honored to be invited to Hungary to speak at, I think it was the fifth edition of the, I think it's called the Budapest Demographic Summit,

00:26:55.700 where there were, you know, leading politicians from across Europe and also, you know, academics such as myself and so on,

00:27:04.300 where we were getting together to talk about the importance of certainly promoting family values,

00:27:11.180 promoting the idea that humans should be interested in having babies.

00:27:15.260 How tragic it is that, I mean, I'm speaking here as an evolutionist,

00:27:20.220 although you don't need to be an evolutionist to understand this.

00:27:22.300 The two steps of life are, number one, survive, and number two, procreate, 0.71

00:27:29.200 hence the two mechanisms of Darwin, natural selection and sexual selection.

00:27:33.640 And yet we have to have a summit in the West to say,

00:27:37.520 hey guys, it's really important for people to make babies, otherwise our societies die.

00:27:43.140 It's absolutely insane.

00:27:44.180 I mean, it truly is outrageous.

00:27:47.460 Yeah, but I mean, what have they got to live for?

00:27:49.740 The sun monster is going to kill us.

00:27:51.780 And if the sun monster doesn't kill us, then a tidal wave is going to kill us. 0.61

00:27:55.420 If a tidal wave doesn't kill us, then a pathogen is going to kill us. 0.98

00:27:59.060 Human beings are the worst virus that has ever been let loose on this planet.

00:28:03.520 And, you know, what are we, 1.6 birth rate in the UK? 0.95

00:28:08.000 We're not even, we aren't reproducing ourselves.

00:28:11.440 So we're looking at the end of this.

00:28:13.140 It's, it's, it's, it's a, we replaced God with fear.

00:28:17.360 And, you know, that's the whole thing.

00:28:19.220 It's like, you know, the point of God is an outside higher authority beyond people.

00:28:24.400 And that should apply to all monotheistic religions, really.

00:28:27.160 But we've lost confidence in ours.

00:28:30.660 And we've been taught to, they're so brilliant.

00:28:34.100 They're so clever.

00:28:34.800 What they've done is they've basically, we've got two generations in Britain of apologists

00:28:39.860 and appeasers.

00:28:41.380 That's what we've been built.

00:28:43.040 Apologize for slavery.

00:28:44.360 Apologize for colonialism.

00:28:45.740 Apologize, apologize, apologize.

00:28:47.020 And it's like, we, they said, sorry, now they're all dead.

00:28:50.680 Can we start afresh in a genuinely progressive society?

00:28:54.020 But no, there's still more white privilege that needs to be wrung out of someone and white 0.89

00:28:59.420 tears that need to be cried before we can move, we can move forward. 0.84

00:29:04.000 But it won't last forever because people hate misery, man.

00:29:08.000 They want to laugh.

00:29:09.240 They do.

00:29:10.060 But at some point people are going to, it'll be comedy that kills this.

00:29:13.140 And that's why they, weirdly, I think why they went after me so much after the Abe Revan

00:29:16.720 was coming, because I was just going, who'd want to shag that? 1.00

00:29:19.400 And, you know, I think men up and down the country who have shagged one of them, I started 0.91

00:29:24.420 going, oh God, not me.

00:29:26.660 And that's, it's like, no, we've got to wipe that one out. 0.53

00:29:28.880 We've got to obliterate it.

00:29:29.840 But until our own side starts ending up, until we start to see some, you know, rational,

00:29:35.040 well-thought-through arguments surviving, then we are the slaves to our woke masters.

00:29:41.220 Yeah.

00:29:41.380 So two quick points.

00:29:42.760 I, of course, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the importance of humor and play.

00:29:47.720 I use that within my arsenal of persuasion tactics, partly because it's just my nature

00:29:53.580 to be playful and to play and to be irreverent using sarcasm and satire.

00:29:57.360 But also, I think it's because it's an incredibly powerful tool to, you know, to attack and mock 0.99

00:30:04.940 stupidity, right? 0.99

00:30:06.420 I mean, in the parasitic mind, I basically argue that satire is akin to the surgeon's scalpel 1.00

00:30:12.520 cutting through warm butter, right?

00:30:14.240 And that's why dictators, usually when they're trying to get rid of the most dangerous people,

00:30:20.100 you know, within the ecosystem, they don't get rid of the guys with the biggest muscles.

00:30:23.260 Those are easy to handle.

00:30:24.180 They get rid of the satirist.

00:30:25.680 They get rid of the guys with the sharp pens, with the sharp tongues.

00:30:29.820 They are the ones that I need to get rid of because they stand to, you know, mock me out

00:30:35.060 of existence.

00:30:35.660 And so I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point.

00:30:38.960 Secondly, when you mentioned about, you know, fear and misery of the progressives, and this

00:30:44.860 is not to frivolously, you know, plug my books, but I talk about these things.

00:30:48.560 So in my latest book, in the happiness book, I have a small section where I discuss why it

00:30:53.460 is that the scientific research has repeatedly found that conservatives tend to be on average

00:30:59.500 happier than the ultra, you know, the progressives and so on.

00:31:02.600 And I offer a speculative explanation, although I think it's quite a plausible one, and I'd

00:31:07.980 love to get your feedback on it.

00:31:09.960 I argue that by the very nature of the word conservative, you wake up in the morning thinking

00:31:15.020 that there are foundational values that are worth conserving, right?

00:31:19.340 And therefore, I wake up with an existential sense of hope.

00:31:23.260 Yes, I mean, yes, there are things that we can improve in our society always.

00:31:26.660 No society is perfect.

00:31:27.840 But I wake up thinking, hey, you know, presumption of innocence, freedom of speech, those are, you

00:31:32.380 know, equality under the law.

00:31:34.160 Oh, wow, those are good things.

00:31:35.340 Let's keep fighting for those.

00:31:36.700 The progressive, on the other hand, wakes up and says, this is a horrible system. 0.92

00:31:41.100 This is racist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, climate extremism. 0.97

00:31:46.060 So around the corner lies unicornia. 0.98

00:31:49.760 But I need to burn down the current system in order to get to the promised land.

00:31:53.920 And therefore, by definition, I'm going to be existentially gloomy.

00:31:57.700 What do you think of that theory?

00:31:58.560 Yeah, I think it's, I mean, I feel exactly what you're saying.

00:32:03.060 I suppose the way I would manifest it in my own head is that somebody who is a conservative

00:32:07.820 believes that their children have a future and that that future means something.

00:32:14.680 And therefore, whatever they learned from their parents, they dilute out some of the stuff

00:32:19.580 which wasn't so helpful.

00:32:20.800 And they refine the message and they pass it on to their children because they believe in

00:32:24.560 the continuity of life, whereas I think what progressives do is they want to mend today,

00:32:30.240 totally and immediately, without really thinking about what needs to be mended and what the

00:32:35.260 value of conservatism is.

00:32:36.760 Now, progressivism is great.

00:32:38.600 If the world was run by conservatives, there would be no equality under the law for gay

00:32:43.360 and lesbian people.

00:32:44.100 They just wouldn't.

00:32:44.940 They would have said, nope.

00:32:46.080 So progressivism has its place and conservatism has its place.

00:32:49.040 But the most important thing is the tension between the two.

00:32:52.700 And seeing as we have no tension anymore, it's like a tug of war where everyone is on

00:32:58.600 the same side pulling an empty piece of rope, you know, and it doesn't help society.

00:33:03.260 So what I think, I think we're like the rock and rollers, the conservatives now.

00:33:08.800 We're like going, come on, guys, let's fight for really rock and roll, hardcore things like

00:33:12.760 belief that nice buildings should be maintained and statues shouldn't be torn down and books

00:33:18.440 shouldn't be rewritten.

00:33:20.000 You know, we need to make that cool.

00:33:21.720 But I hate the progressive mindset so much, but I just admire them.

00:33:27.260 I admire them.

00:33:28.760 I just think, God, you're so good at this.

00:33:31.560 Why can't we be as good as you at it?

00:33:33.680 Because they are winning.

00:33:34.860 And I think when they did this on the BBC, they said three days later, they said the same

00:33:40.540 joke to really objectify and harm my very sensitive soul, you know.

00:33:44.960 So when they did this, that was them signaling to the public, A, we've won, and B, there's

00:33:53.140 nothing you can do about it.

00:33:54.780 Yeah.

00:33:55.120 Because we, and that to me is spooky.

00:33:58.400 Yeah, no, I hear you.

00:33:59.520 Are there, in the British ecosystem, are there, I mean, yes, I know of a few voices, but is

00:34:05.480 there a movement of, you know, counter-wokest folks that are starting to band together?

00:34:13.900 I mean, yes, I know the folks from Trigonometry are doing their bit within that ecosystem.

00:34:19.020 You know, Nigel Farage does his thing, you do your thing.

00:34:22.320 Is there a coming of mind so that, to your earlier point, how progressives are so organized

00:34:28.080 that a similar movement is happening within the less-woke folks?

00:34:33.940 I don't think so, because one of the great things of the un-woke is that everyone wants

00:34:39.180 to be in charge of that movement, whereas the wokies, they're happy to work in solidarity

00:34:43.480 with each other.

00:34:44.780 So they don't care who's in charge.

00:34:46.640 It's just like, we've just got to get the cause through, whereas on our side, everyone

00:34:49.400 wants to be in charge.

00:34:50.380 You've seen, like, I mean, I've never been thrown under the bus by so many people as I

00:34:54.140 was by the so-called homo-free speech, Juby News. 0.78

00:34:58.780 So I don't know.

00:34:59.660 I look at Calvin, and I go, Calvin is a great leader.

00:35:03.320 I look at some of the work that people like Toby Young does, but there's not many people

00:35:07.580 I would really trust with this, with getting us out of this, except God, sorry to be old-fashioned.

00:35:14.200 How about in academia?

00:35:15.800 I mean, I remember in the old days, well, not old days, but let's call it before he passed

00:35:20.420 away, Roger Scruton would have been someone that we can say, okay, this is a very serious

00:35:25.840 academic with a lot of academic gravitas, who's at least serving as a counterweight

00:35:31.560 to some of the craziness.

00:35:33.080 Is there another person that we can look to within the British academic ecosystem that

00:35:38.360 could potentially replace or has replaced someone like Roger Scruton?

00:35:41.600 Well, there's Lord Johnston Sumption, who is very liberal, but brilliantly liberal, liberal

00:35:50.220 in the traditional sense or the classical sense.

00:35:53.220 And then there's people like Douglas Murray.

00:35:54.940 But Douglas is called a racist just for saying that, you know, there's maybe 600,000 immigrants

00:36:02.720 onto a tiny island every year might not be a great idea.

00:36:05.560 And we should banish those that have ideologies and, you know, desires to destroy a country

00:36:13.320 from living there.

00:36:14.580 So I think the progressives are ahead of us.

00:36:16.940 They go, the minute you start making a good, a decent noise, they turn you into Satan, you

00:36:22.760 know, and then the media turn you into Satan as well, and you become an outcast.

00:36:26.340 So I hope, I think Douglas is great.

00:36:28.960 I think Johnston Sumption is fantastic.

00:36:30.940 I think a lot of the rest straddle the fence of truth, and they do that because they have

00:36:37.280 the noble cause of trying to engage with progressives who tend not to want to engage with them anyway

00:36:42.740 unless it's for cliques.

00:36:44.140 But I think that we've got to, it's a parallel ecosystem.

00:36:48.980 That's what you've got to build.

00:36:49.920 You've got to go, look, ours is more fun than yours.

00:36:51.820 People are smiling and having a laugh and then get people to come over.

00:36:56.860 But yeah, there's some great thinkers in this country, and we're very lucky.

00:37:00.480 But we're, as I said at the beginning, we're not protected in the way that America is.

00:37:05.840 We don't have a First or a Second Amendment, and we'll probably find that is not a good

00:37:12.060 thing come the next few years.

00:37:14.800 Are there any projects that you are currently working on, whether it be in your acting career,

00:37:19.200 your political career, whether it be in your media, you know, career that you'd like to

00:37:24.960 share with us here now?

00:37:26.660 Yeah, we are going to take the Department of Education to court for non-contact sexual

00:37:32.960 abuse of children by allowing this horrible stuff that they teach in schools, the gender 1.00

00:37:39.220 ideology that they teach in schools, teaching kids that they can be born in the wrong body

00:37:42.740 and all the social transitioning stuff.

00:37:44.560 So we'll be taking them on behalf of an ever-growing number of families now whose young people,

00:37:51.560 tragic stories of young people who've been put through these very drastic life, permanent,

00:37:56.840 life-changing situations.

00:37:58.440 And we're going to take the government and Department of Education to court because this

00:38:02.560 is, as far as we're concerned, is non-contact child abuse.

00:38:05.660 That's what they've done.

00:38:06.320 Wow.

00:38:08.440 Any thoughts about becoming author Lawrence Fox and writing a book of some of your trials

00:38:15.940 and tribulations?

00:38:17.940 Yes.

00:38:18.420 And also, I have a film which I'm going to write when I go away.

00:38:23.920 I've got a film about a man who refuses to speak.

00:38:28.280 And everyone just takes their own aggro out on him.

00:38:31.820 And I think it's very pertinent for now.

00:38:34.380 So I'm going to be stuck in front of my computer.

00:38:36.860 All I've got to do, though, is I've got to ask the nice policeman, can I have my computer

00:38:40.620 back?

00:38:43.980 Lawrence, if I come, well, not if, when, hopefully, I come next to England, can I presume that

00:38:51.620 you will be inviting me to some London derby match to watch together because I've never

00:38:57.320 been to a Premier game?

00:38:59.360 Well, first, we'll go on an anti-Israel march.

00:39:03.680 Yes, absolutely.

00:39:05.220 Sorry.

00:39:05.980 And then straight after, we'll go to the football.

00:39:10.820 But we're going to need to, when you come, it's important that as you go through the airport, 0.97

00:39:16.340 you find some Jews to spit at because it's just, it's important. 1.00

00:39:21.060 And I would argue that we can both agree that we should not be supporting disgusting Tottenham 0.99

00:39:27.700 Hotspur because they are like the Jewish club of London, correct? 0.94

00:39:31.680 Yes.

00:39:32.140 I mean, how they're allowed to play football with the Jewish owner and Jewish fans.

00:39:37.460 I mean, have we learned nothing from the last few days of demonstrations?

00:39:42.440 They should close the stadium, turn it into a mosque. 1.00

00:39:46.680 Everyone will be happy.

00:39:48.300 Inshallah.

00:39:48.980 Inshallah.

00:39:49.840 Lawrence, you are such a delight.

00:39:52.400 Your mind is sharp.

00:39:54.900 Your tongue is spicy.

00:39:57.280 You're a guy after my own heart.

00:39:59.080 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:40:00.300 Stay on the line so we could say goodbye offline.

00:40:03.540 Very much appreciate you coming on the show.

00:40:06.240 Love you, brother.

00:40:07.280 Likewise.

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My Latest Chat with Laurence Fox, Actor, Politician, and Cancelled Journalist (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_597)

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