My Recent Chat with Tommy Robinson - Part II (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_695)
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Tommy Robinson joins me in person to talk about the England vs Denmark game, racism in football, Gadsad taking a knee and why he doesn t like the way football is being played these days. He also talks about being banned from attending football for 4 years and how he got back into the game.
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Hi guys, today I'm doing a very rare thing, which is a sad truth show in person.
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I've got Tommy Robinson with me from Britain, the British Honey Badger.
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Tommy, for those of you who don't know, has more courage than a random sample of 10,000
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And probably more testosterone than 10,000 men.
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And we know that to be true because we've done measures of testosterone in men and it
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He's the only guy who's keeping us alive, guys.
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All right, Tommy, I saw you, or not, I saw you remotely.
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You sent me a screenshot of that where you said men do age like fine wine.
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We could talk about many serious things, but none as serious as soccer or as we probably
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And you're English, so you support the English team.
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Apparently, I heard, cover your ears if you want to hear, England is losing to Denmark.
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Literally, as we just sat down, I just checked.
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So, are you thinking that this is the year that they're going to finally win it?
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And then I fell out of love a bit with them when the Black Lives Matter thing happened
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It really, do you know, I just, and the politicisation, the rainbow bands, I just think, keep politics
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There's a reason people go to football, it's to get away from all that.
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I fell out of love and I found it hard to get behind them again.
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I just, the more wokely stuff I saw being introduced into our international football game.
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The strongest flag, they've added the transgender logo onto our flag.
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So, whilst we're, and the reason I said, because I'd asked you to do this podcast, and I looked
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at the timing and I thought, it's the same time as the England match.
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I thought, Gadsad doesn't take the knee, so I'm going to go sit down with Gadsad.
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I am honoured that I, that I came ahead of the English National League.
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Now, different players that are good, but probably now the one that most people are talking
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Again, I just, do you know, with my football, I love Luton Town, which is my club.
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Yeah, but the fact we got there anyway was unbelievable.
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And do you know, the fact we got there anyway, do you know, I've been on a four-year ban
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They'd tried multiple, so originally, I was going to France for the Euros, and I was
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travelling to France for the Euros, and I thought, do you know what, I think they were
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So, I was in a motorhome, so I got under the bed, yeah?
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And as we went through Calais, I didn't show my passport, and I got to France, and then
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my wife rang me up and said, police are all over the house, they've just raided
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So, I made a video saying, I'm in France, and I added Bedfordshire, please, I'm dancing.
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But then when I come back from the football, I've been there three weeks, when I come back,
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I was back, the next morning, bang, the police come round, and they took me straight to court,
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and their reason was that my presence in France, which has a high Muslim population, could
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So, when I went to court, I fought it, and the map, where they wanted to ban me from every
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Saturday, included the entire Muslim community of Luton, yeah?
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So, it was a control order that they were using football legislation, because down to
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football legislation, they brought in laws to deal with hooliganism, that if they believe
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you're a risk, they can then put you on these bans, but they only have a time period to do
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So, whenever there's a football tournament, like there is now, so if I went to the airport
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now, to fly to the country where the football is, they can invoke this legislation that gives
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them the ability to give you perimeter bans of towns and cities, yeah, to deal with football
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So, it's the government, so this is the home office, so it's not the police, it's the
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So, basically, when they tried to give me this ban, they got the head of the football policing
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unit come to court, and so did Bedfordshire Police.
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So, Bedfordshire Police Officer, who's my local police force, who know me all my life,
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I've always been on watch Leuven since I was 16, yeah?
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So, the local policing unit know who I am, yeah?
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So, they were summoned to court and asked on the dock, they had the football policing unit
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first, which is the home office, the government, and he said, my barrister just said to him,
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who's bringing this banning order against our client?
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And she said, okay, so it's not you, it's not the home office, it's Bedfordshire Police.
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Then when they got the Bedfordshire Police officer up straight after him, he'd gone out,
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got the officer up and said, why are you bringing this case against our client?
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And then he said, you're not, so who's bringing this case?
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So, the officer had just been on the dock before, and then she said, okay, I'm going to
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Do you see our client as a risk of attending football?
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And when she kicked it out, she said that this case was vague.
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So they could control me like they've just done for six months in London to ban me from
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But as I said, yeah, I love football, but I fell out of love with football.
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You know, December 18th, 2022, do you remember what day that was in soccer history?
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So, I'm a gigantic, I mean, I'm only one of about eight billion people, who's a gigantic
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And I'm old enough to have seen, supposedly, all of the greatest players of all time, most
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And if you think otherwise, then you're not really a soccer expert.
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Ronaldo is a guy who has incredible athletic ability, incredible discipline, who's trained
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I mean, just ask any soccer players, they're almost all will fall on the end to Messi.
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Anyways, when the World Cup final came about, one of the things that's beautiful about soccer
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or any sport, but certainly soccer, is that the fans become as vested in the outcome as
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As a matter of fact, there are studies that show that the testosterone levels of fans is the same as the players.
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If the guys that win, if that's my team, my testosterone goes up.
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Now, I've been a soccer fan my whole life and so on, but the World Cup final was almost so unbearable to watch that I remember my
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son said, I'm just, I'm going to stop watching, I'm going to have a heart attack.
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And the reason why it was so important, I actually discussed this, I appeared after the World Cup final
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on Joe Rogan's show and I was explaining all this.
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So, I said to him, you know, the reason why we were so vested or at least why I was so vested
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is because it would have been a cosmic injustice if he didn't finish with winning.
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And I was so vested in him winning that once he won it, I truly felt, I don't care what,
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sometimes I'm pissed off, my daughter will come up to me and say, remember, Messi won the World Cup.
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Because he represents that cosmic justice, like it was meant to be for him to win.
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All right, but let's now go back to maybe more serious issues.
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Yeah, yeah, that was 2016, March 2016, I checked.
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And, I mean, we've communicated since, but we haven't had a show together other than the
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What has changed both personally for Tommy Robinson and in the ecosystem that you fight in?
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What are some big changes in the past eight years for you?
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Well, I think a lot of the public have awoken to the things we were talking about.
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So, whereas people didn't take us seriously or didn't want to listen to what we were saying,
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We've been proven right in everything we were talking about.
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All the warnings we were given, all the problems we were talking about,
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I foresaw all the problems because my town had gone from when I was born in 1982,
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It's over a 50% of the Muslim population, Pakistani.
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So, all the things I saw early, as in the local council's impeachment of them,
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Two-tier policing has become part of British vocabulary now, yeah?
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But I went back, we just had our latest documentary.
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Two-tier policing is the way the police fail to deal with one community at all, really.
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They bend their knees to them, or they just don't deal with them,
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or they let them get away with criminality, and they treat that community with kid gloves,
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and then they treat everyone else with iron fists.
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So, rather than deal with the problem, they'll deal with the people who talk about the problem.
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Through cowardice, through fear, through political correctness,
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through a multitude of all these things coming together.
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But I went back through my speeches and leaflets and things I'd spoke about.
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The first time I was talking about it was 2004.
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I saw the police not deal with the heroin gangs, the grooming gangs, the rape gangs.
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I saw them just let them get away with it and just facilitate their criminality.
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But then now, what's happened over the last two years, especially since October 7th,
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with the mass demonstrations of pro-Hamas on the streets, calling for the gas of the Jews,
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Literally calling out for jihad, and their words are, the Muslim armies.
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And then we've got the Mexican police come out and say jihad has multiple different meanings.
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When they're talking about Muslim armies, they're not talking about an inner struggle.
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I need to lose weight, and it's an inner struggle.
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And then they're holding up the ISIS flag, and they're telling us, it's not the ISIS flag.
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But the whole country then, Swella Braverman come out and said it,
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She was forced out of the Conservative Party, set out of her position for it.
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So it's become part of the vocabulary that the British public have witnessed.
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All of those things I saw, they've now seen with their own eyes.
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And what's changed for me, probably, personally, is probably 2016.
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At times, I've been in low places over my activism.
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Bad places, worrying places, dark places, thinking what am I going to do?
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Probably trying to, as a man, you like to think you can deal with everything.
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But my problems, a lot of them probably come from fear.
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And that's how, and blacking things out, probably.
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I had a, it's probably been in the last year once.
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But when I used to drink, I didn't drink to enjoy myself.
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Reality at the minute is, I go back to, on the 29th of July, I'm in court, probably going back to jail.
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And essentially, my fear has never been Muslims attacking me.
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My fear is always, what are the state going to do next?
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And where are they going to leave me or leave my family?
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Well, that was the title of your, I think, first book, Enemy of the State.
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Because I knew Muslims would want to kill me for talking about certain issues, highlighting certain issues.
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But I didn't realize the level the state would go to.
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Do you almost hate the Westerners who grant cover more than the Islamists who might cover?
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I have some respect with some of the Islamists.
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But then I look at the people who facilitate them and think, well, it's you lot.
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And then the church, even, I, fuck, the church.
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I went for a, the, the, the, Tom, Tom Robinson.
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So, one of the highest ranking in the, in the Church of England called us for a meeting.
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You're a representative of opposition to Islamic communities.
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We're going to bring you for a meeting with the Grand Mufti, who preaches at the Golden
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And they, they sat, he was in a church building.
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So, we've gone, all these Muslim leaders come in.
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I said, you've taken the beast in our country, with girls, with women, with the, and I went
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And then, I said to the church, what are you doing?
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And we're supposed to be your lost flock, yeah?
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We're talking about the problems we're dealing with, and you're condemning us.
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And then he said, well, at Christmas, this is a church leader.
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At Christmas, what we're trying to do is we're trying to bring communities together.
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So, we had a Christmas do together with the Muslims.
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I said, so you had a Sharia-compliant Christmas meal?
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They will not budge on their views of anything, yeah?
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But you're bending on every one of our principles.
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And the Muslim fellow, afterwards, he said, do you know what, Tommy?
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And he said, do you know how refreshing it's been just to have someone tell us straight?
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He said, because we keep going to these diversity meetings, and we're having all these photos taken.
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And I said, yeah, you're pretending there's no problems.
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You're all standing and thinking a picture of a rabbi, a picture of a priest, and a picture of an imam is standing together.
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But they're the wrong people you're trying to bring together.
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So I think that, again, the debate has shifted, the over-and-window shifted, in what's acceptable to say in discussions.
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A lot of the people who used to condemn me on the TV, or commentators who would condemn me, are now saying exactly the same as me.
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I had a journalist ring me up who spent a year with me, and he rang me up last year.
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I said, well, he goes, all the people who were against you, and they were far more extreme than you, in their commentary.
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Because I said, I don't ever see my views have ever been an extreme, but they tried, they had to make us toxic.
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They had to make us figures of hay to stop the debate.
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Because the debate, or the issues I raise about grooming, about rape, about all these gangs, about any of these problems, whether it be jihad, terrorism,
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they're all problems that come about because of the government's failing policies.
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And they don't want their policies addressed or looked at.
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What do you think, I mean, we've talked about this earlier, and you and I have weighed in on this,
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but I think it's worthwhile for my audience to hear about it.
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Why do you think the Western leaders take the positions that they do when it comes to Islam?
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Well, I think they take, well, cowardice, weakness.
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If I just ignore it, hopefully it somehow goes away.
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It's the level, how powerful is political greatness?
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And this is hard to get someone's head around it, that we allowed, in our country, a generation of English girls to be raped.
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What's the final, do we have a sense of the number?
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So, Rotherham, 1,400 children, over a 16-year period, were raped.
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Rotherham has a 3.7% Muslim population, so that's Rotherham.
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Telford, I made a five-part series on the gang rapes in Telford.
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I spent 12 to 18 months in that town getting to know the survivors of these crimes.
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And we built a database, like a massive wall, the whole size of this, where we've done an investigation into the men.
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And people, you might read statistics about grooming.
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And people, I watch as politicians talk about these girls, like they're statistics.
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It's like, they're not statistics, they're our daughters.
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They're a man's child that's been raped and tortured.
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And as we went through, I'd sit down with a victim, and I'd sit with her three times for four hours, five hours.
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And then we'd play it all back, and we literally built a database.
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And every time the men were named by more than three of the girls.
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So in the end, on our spreadsheet database, we had 254 names.
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I knew every address, every business, and every local Muslim man in that town by the end of the investigation.
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And the independent inquiry identified over 300.
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So out of 1,000 Muslim men in one small town in England, there's 1,000 victims and five are dead.
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And the police have identified 20% of the men involved in that rape.
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In fact, we ended up in our investigation, which the media never commented on, we ended up finding corrupt police officers who were working for the gangs to receive money.
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So we've done a five-part series where each episode is about telling the story of another girl.
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We get them on Rumble under Tommy Robinson official called The Brake of Britain.
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And when I say this, I haven't, when I went into telling these stories, I don't think I hadn't prepared myself for the damage to girls.
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I went in as an investigative journalist to tell these stories and then got to know the families and victims and then never thought these girls were putting their faces up on camera.
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I went online and I saw, as we were doing this investigation, a girl had gone on Facebook and said, one of the grooming gang members was getting out of jail for the rapes in the town, Telford.
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So I prayed to the private investigator and said, find her.
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We found, we tracked her down to a hostel in London.
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And I always, I record everything in these circumstances.
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I don't want anyone saying I've said anything I haven't.
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So even if I don't use the footage, I'll record it.
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So I knocked on the door and some black lad answered and said, what are you doing here?
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But she, so she got in the car and we were probably in the car for two, three hours.
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And I went through all the stuff of her, about her life.
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And I said, look, I saw the comment you made about killing people, yeah?
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I said, I'm just here, look, I'm going to take these gangs down, yeah?
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These men, I watch as these girls are suffering 10 years, 20 years later, as they're suicidals,
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They're all driving Ferraris, sports cars, living in big houses, profitable businesses,
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They've destroyed these girls and they've profited all the way up to the top.
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They're like a mafia in criminality and everything.
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So our purpose of the films was only once we have three girls that don't know each other,
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The purpose of the documentary is to make the man famous.
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I walked into their businesses in the middle of businesses.
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And we found men that have murdered young girls running businesses.
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When I walked in the restaurant, I said, how many people know he killed a 12-year-old girl?
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And then I said, I put the accusations to them.
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But with this girl, this girl who I met, I said, right, help me.
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And then about a week later, we were in a house in the north of England and we've got all
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We've done an amazing investigation to these groups.
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And the police are saying these bombings are not connected.
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Because they didn't know who was talking to me.
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But they knew I put a trailer out with all their images on the wall saying, we're coming
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So they just started attacking any of the girls that they'd raped and their houses.
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And I get a message saying, Tommy, you've got 20 minutes.
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Any questions you want to ask, you've got 20 minutes to ask.
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I said, in my own selfish thing, I'm thinking the last person she's going to ring before she
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And I said, look, how far are your mum and dad?
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Every time she gets a new sexual partner, she has flashbacks of all the men raping her.
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the moment that changed the whole conversation, I said, I've just had a shit curry.
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She said, what do you mean you've had a shit curry?
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I said, please come up here and make me a curry.
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Wherever you are, I'll send the car to pick you up.
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And each one of these films tells a different girl's story.
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But the gangs, when we went after the gangs, one of the main rapists is in the mosque preaching
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So the police officer whose job it is, it's his job to tackle the grooming gangs, is stood
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I put a lot of hate and discussion in talking about gangs, about Islam.
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Obviously, when I started coming for them, and it was a five-part series, so none of them
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But you have the board game Guess Who in America.
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You know where you have to guess things about people and you have to silhouette the faces.
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So we'd end episode two on a silhouette with like five or six of their faces.
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Because I was thinking, yeah, we're putting on these gangs.
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And if you're not going to get prosecuted, we're going to make sure everyone knows who
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You're going to become famous to the whole of Britain and famous to your town as child
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And then we got a girl to bring up and get him to come and fix the boiler.
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And as he comes to fix the boiler, we come walking in.
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But it was great in the sense of showing the public and understanding that ten years
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after these girls being raped, they're suicidal still.
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They're living every day with the pain and the men.
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And I've gotten to that from talking about political correctness.
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The police force in Telford, the police force in Robben.
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You know, in Robben, there was a, obviously, we spoke about this in 2009.
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In 2014, a government report came out called the Lexus J report in Robben.
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Two girls, 13 years old, they're in a house being raped by lots of Muslim men.
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They go around the house to get their doors back.
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There was another 12-year-old girl in a house, in a derelict house with five Muslim men abusing her.
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They nicked her for being drunk and disordered me.
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This has been in 65 cities in the UK where these gangs are in every city that has a Muslim community.
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If you've got large Muslim communities in Toronto, in the city here, these gangs are brilliant.
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There's not one single city in the UK that they've not been operating in.
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And no one knew what was going on for 30 years.
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So, we knew, but it was covered up and hid by the police and the government for 30 years.
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So, the same way they're probably hiding it here.
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Originally, they called it grooming, which is another word for rape jihad.
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And they've arrested handfuls of them in each town.
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What do you, if someone were to come to you and say, but why are you putting a Islamic twist to this?
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And isn't this just a problem of sexual violence?
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So, again, you weren't allowed to ask this question.
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They are responsible for 90% of the convictions in these gangs.
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So, then I went through and I've done a presentation.
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The sad state of affairs is that this work will come about when I was most censored.
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So, this is the best work I've done over the most important issue ever.
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Now, this is the darkest stain in British history.
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A generation of our daughters have been allowed to be raped.
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Every institution whose job it was to protect those girls failed them and let them be raped
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because they were young white girls and the men were Muslim immigrants.
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So, I looked at the cases and I went through the cases and took the testimonies of the victims
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So, in the Bristol case, it was Somalians in Bristol.
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And looked at the demographics because it's not just...
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People said, oh, it's a Pakistani cultural problem.
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The majority are Pakistani because the majority of Muslims in the UK are Pakistani.
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But the cases and the numbers speak for themselves.
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Because the Somalian in the Bristol case said it was his religious duty to do that.
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They literally quote the Koran whilst raping the girls.
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And, you know, you've all heard of hate crimes now, yeah?
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None of these men have been charged under hate legislation.
00:28:30.300
People are getting charged under hate legislation for saying something homophobic online or talking...
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Saying a racial slur against a football law and they get their door kicked off for a comment on Facebook.
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But these men are raping young white girls, calling them dirty white gula.
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Every girl gives it as a testimony, as a witness to the police.
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And none of them are prosecuted under hate legislation.
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So the hate crime statistics, literally the hate legislation is brought in to literally protect minority groups.
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Is there a statute of limitation in terms of when you can go after these guys?
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Or do you think they'll ever go after all of them?
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So a lot of the girls are going forward and they're historic cases.
00:29:11.100
They only started prosecuting them after the formation of the English Fence League in 2009.
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I've done a graph from a presentation because...
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He's a Times reporter and he's won all the awards for highlighting this issue.
00:29:27.020
In his own words, in an interview, he says he knew this was going on for years.
00:29:37.400
But then he saw the emergence of the far right, the English Defence League, which wasn't far right at all.
00:29:42.640
But he saw the emergence of angry English fathers and brothers who were taken to the streets desperate about what was happening to their daughters.
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He's got to bring the debate back to the mainstream.
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So we forced him to write back, which is great.
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I remember sitting on TV shows in 2010 saying to Gerry Paxman, who's one of the most renowned BBC...
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None of the interviews have been able to work for them.
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I sat there saying, I thought it was being raped in every town of the city.
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And he said, do you expect us to believe that they're being allowed to do this?
00:30:28.180
They all did with any of the issues we were trying to raise.
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But as I said, a lot of these issues that we raised that people didn't want to listen to or they didn't believe they've come into fruition and they're fact.
00:30:38.000
So what, on July 29th, you might be sent to prison?
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And a young Syrian refugee at school, who was 15, a child.
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Another white child holds him down and pours a bottle of water over his face.
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But this news story, I remember watching it develop.
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When you watch the video, I thought, you little bastard, about the white English boy.
00:31:12.260
I thought, it's bang out of order holding him down and doing that.
00:31:14.080
But you give them no context to what's happened.
00:31:16.140
And the Syrian refugee has an army plaster at the same time.
00:31:19.440
So then we were told that he's been a victim of racial bullying since he went to this school.
00:31:31.640
As it was blowing up, everyone who was anyone, from celebrities to boxers, Lennox Lewis, ex-world champions, Piers Morgan, Jeremy Vine, all the biggest commentators, were outraged and demanding action for the Syrian refugee.
00:31:44.580
And our Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, invited the Syrian refugee to Parliament.
00:31:50.960
Now, within 24 to 48 hours, £180,000 had been raised for the Syrian refugee.
00:31:55.600
In that same time, mothers from the school had contacted me, saying he beat my daughter up, sending me pictures of her daughter with a bite mark on the face.
00:32:02.180
Then another girl contacted, saying he beat me up for a hockey stick.
00:32:06.280
So I made a video saying, well, you're not really being given the full picture here.
00:32:19.980
Celebrity Muslim lawyers from the UK, ex-members, one of them, we show it in the documentary, one of them is an ex-member of a terrorist organization.
00:32:27.420
He's now a celebrity lawyer who represents every jihadi in the UK.
00:32:31.420
They started legal proceedings against me, saying that I defamed him.
00:32:37.420
And sorry, the benchmark of defamation is lesser in Britain than it is here, right?
00:32:44.860
So what I said is, I said, I make the accusation that he threatened to stab someone, and I said he attacks girls.
00:32:54.880
So the first hearing in court, I said, I'm a journalist.
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They didn't give me that recognition as a journalist, so I had to prove it as truth.
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Now, one thing I sat in as I watched it, I thought, how come those, I know what that boy was like, because I spoke to everyone in the school.
00:33:17.840
How come none of the school teachers have spoke up for the English boy?
00:33:20.900
Now, the English boy, so you know the story, when this blew up, I trampled up there to interview the English boy.
00:33:25.860
I walked into a hotel, and his mum was sat there with her two little, he had two mixed-race little sisters.
00:33:32.180
And it was two weeks before Christmas, and the mum was crying her eyes out and said, I've spent a lot more Christmas money on the hotel, because Muslims come to the house to attack them, yeah?
00:33:39.560
There were threats to murder them, rape them, gangs were outside the house.
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So I said, right, I'll come and pick you up tomorrow, yeah?
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So I'll bring a van, come and stay with me, yeah?
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So we drove up there, brought the two sisters down, brought the boy down, yeah?
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On Christmas Eve, he barricaded himself in and tried to kill himself.
00:34:09.340
But the whole country was told he was a racist, yeah?
00:34:12.360
So I wore a hidden camera, and I thought, I'm going to go up to the teacher's houses.
00:34:17.200
So I looked at the first teacher's house, who's an Asian teacher.
00:34:20.300
I said, and he goes, Tommy, I said, mate, you know, they're prosecuting me, yeah?
00:34:38.260
So I looked up Kirkley's, on the documentary, we look up Kirkley's Council.
00:34:40.340
The head of Kirkley's Council is Shabir Pandor, yeah?
00:34:44.840
His brother is an, and there were protests outside the school of this Syrian refugee by
00:34:49.620
large groups of Muslims led by Mufti Pandor, the leader of the council's brother, yeah?
00:34:56.540
Do you remember the school teacher in Northern School who's done the cartoon of Muhammad?
00:35:02.260
This Mufti Pandor organised all those protests, yeah?
00:35:04.500
So we started piecing it together, saying, so Shabir Pandor is his brother.
00:35:08.180
At this time, you spoke about the Huddersfield grooming gang.
00:35:11.160
The biggest news story in the country was the Huddersfield grooming gang.
00:35:16.100
To be the biggest story in the country was about this poor Syrian refugee.
00:35:21.680
So the Asian teacher says, I took the money, Tommy, and I say, okay, what was Jamal like?
00:35:47.440
He said, Tommy, you're never going to get the truth out there.
00:35:51.780
He goes, one, he said, no one's allowed to talk about it.
00:35:57.120
So when this blew up, he says, Dave, and he said, they'd spoke about this at the United Nations meeting.
00:36:04.740
So when this is blowing up, this is world news story.
00:36:14.060
They go up to the headteacher and they blackmail him with his pension.
00:36:17.360
And they sat him in the office and made him sign a non-scloser agreement.
00:36:20.540
At which point they escorted him off the school property.
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He's not allowed to have a conversation with any other teachers.
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He goes, I got into education to help poor children.
00:36:38.200
The whole country was told that he had a broken arm from a racist attack.
00:36:42.200
The headteacher said, do you know how he broke his arm?
00:36:46.500
He goes, he was attacking a boy four years younger than him.
00:36:51.120
And then he said, Tommy, we, the governor, knows high-ranking journalists.
00:37:00.580
So I've got seven teachers on covert recordings.
00:37:03.160
So this is the film that's coming out end of July?
00:37:08.780
And then when I went to court, they took me to court.
00:37:15.520
So when I went to court and they said I defamed him, I got the school records.
00:37:21.960
In the school records, he gets caught with a knife and screwdriver at school.
00:37:29.340
So I think, well, I can't defamed him if he's running around stabbing people.
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She's the only pupil in her year to have zero negatives.
00:37:57.780
That boy there attacked me with a hockey stick.
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I'm still suffering now from the damages from it.
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Then another boy gets up and gets tested on me.
00:38:04.940
But when the Syrian refugee, no one comes to court for the Syrian refugee, just him.
00:38:15.400
Another boy pulled his mum with white slag and attacked him.
00:38:19.860
When it got to Jamal, the Syrian boy giving evidence, the media were reporting how terrified
00:38:26.180
When it got to the witnesses getting up to give our thing, all the media walked out court.
00:38:30.120
And I said to the judge, hold on a minute, yeah?
00:38:33.920
So all the witnesses are getting up and giving their evidence.
00:38:36.060
Then the judge, so I produced all this evidence thinking you've got no case, yeah?
00:38:39.860
And the lengths they went to were manipulation.
00:38:43.460
The video that went viral online actually happened six weeks before.
00:38:47.540
The solicitor's firm put in a freedom of information request on the Syrian's family to make sure it was clean.
00:39:00.740
So I produced all the appropriate recordings to the judge saying there's the truth.
00:39:06.260
I put in a freedom of information request to find out how much the council spent on buying
00:39:13.320
And then, so they were telling the whole country I lied.
00:39:16.100
And one mother, the mother who had a bite mark, their whole case rested on the fact
00:39:21.200
that she put out a statement saying what she said wasn't true.
00:39:24.500
I went and knocked on her door, bedding the camera, and just said, look, what's going on?
00:39:27.920
She goes, Tommy, they're threatening to rape us.
00:39:36.860
She said, yes, but we've got to live here, Tommy, yeah?
00:39:44.020
So I put it to the judge saying, it's all true, yeah?
00:39:47.640
The judge listed everything that he saw on the covert recordings.
00:39:51.140
He then ruled against me and gave me an injunction saying if any of this footage or any of the
00:39:57.200
school records are ever released, you get two years in jail.
00:40:00.900
Oh, so that, so the fact that if you've released this.
00:40:14.460
Now, if you look at the timing of it, the film was released 18 months ago.
00:40:27.100
By bringing me to court and putting me in jail, which is their plan, I guess it's going
00:40:40.620
They're not happy that the public got the truth.
00:40:42.000
Because what the truth was, that the civilian refugee was one of 20,000 that the conservative
00:40:45.900
government brought in at the height of the ISIS war.
00:40:48.100
When no one wanted civilian refugees into our country, one of them has been causing mayhem.
00:40:56.380
But you've changed the whole story to the entire country.
00:41:00.840
And you've made it, and the collateral damage in this was the English kids who tried to
00:41:05.940
kill himself, who never had a life from that point on, who ended up living with me.
00:41:10.180
His sisters were out of education for six months.
00:41:26.200
You probably will have a lot of Muslim friends in prison, no?
00:41:31.540
But they put me on solitary confinement, which is what they done last time.
00:41:36.620
And I said, like, I'm good company, but I'm not that good company.
00:41:42.940
They know the purpose of that, which is mental abuse, mental torture.
00:41:54.440
But the thing is, because of the media, all they'll say is I lied.
00:41:59.400
A, because they said that last time, which I didn't.
00:42:01.640
And I broke a legal injunction, which is a legal injunction that is to prevent the public seeing their lies and their corruption.
00:42:09.420
The whole story is, when you see it all put together in the documentary, it's like, you see, and do you know what?
00:42:16.200
Elon Musk talked about citizen journalism and how important it is to citizen journalism.
00:42:20.320
I'm not just saying it because this is my work, yeah?
00:42:22.500
This is the best piece of citizen journalism investigation anyone's ever going to watch.
00:42:25.700
It totally, from start to finish, highlights and embarrasses and humiliates and gets the entire process of the unholy alliance of the media, the council, far-left organizations, Muslim extremist organizations, and the judiciary.
00:42:39.260
All cooperating together in order to control the narrative.
00:42:42.100
And the narrative was open-border immigration and English racist bad, English white racists.
00:42:51.260
So, in The Sad Truth About Happiness, in my latest book, I talk about, you know, what are some roads to happiness that could come through your work?
00:43:00.560
And I argue, not surprisingly, that anything that gives you purpose and meaning is all other things considered going to make you happy, right?
00:43:07.500
So, if you, for example, create things, you're a chef, you're an architect, you're an author, because you're creating, it gives you purpose and meaning.
00:43:15.040
Now, someone, like in your case, who is obviously doing stuff that is really important civilizationally, is going to have that sense of purpose and meaning.
00:43:23.220
Could you have ever imagined having a career other than what kind of the trajectory that you've taken that would have given you as much purpose and meaning?
00:43:32.500
Do you know what, do you know, like, so when this film got leaked, it was probably 18 months ago, and I was on my way to America.
00:43:38.360
So, it got leaked 18 months ago, and as soon as I got leaked, I thought, they're going to lock me up, I know they're going to lock me up.
00:43:43.360
So, I thought, I started making a documentary, I thought, I'm going to see how easy it is to get in the United States.
00:43:50.980
And it's all Irish, the Irish are all going into America on boats, white Irish, travellers.
00:43:55.680
So, I looked at this, and I went out there, and then I didn't come home for six months, and I was lost.
00:44:03.520
Whenever I've stopped, whenever I've, and sometimes I've thought, I've had enough, I'm tired, yeah?
00:44:07.520
So, I've gone to stop my work, and I've lost purpose and meaning.
00:44:11.780
And then when I've thrown myself back in, like I have for the last six months, I've never been so focused and driven in my life, yeah?
00:44:17.740
Because I've got my purpose and meaning, I've got my cause, I've got my focus, I know what I'm doing.
00:44:21.760
I don't know where it's taken me, but I know why I'm doing it.
00:44:24.060
Yeah, and first, I get a massive buzz off of, probably why censorship was so difficult to deal with.
00:44:32.820
I get a buzz off of, if you, I gave a speech at Oxford University, the Oxford Union, when I walked in there, everyone hated me, yeah?
00:44:41.560
I've had an hour and 15 minute presentation when I walked out, everyone was taking selfies, yeah?
00:44:46.180
Because, and I got a buzz, if you look at the comments, they said, I thought this bloke was a thump, I thought he was a Nazi, I thought he was braindead.
00:44:55.100
So, I get a buzz off of challenging people's opinions and changing their minds, and making them open their eyes to the problems that I've seen.
00:45:03.400
Censorship made me talking in a little air-cow chamber to myself, and it took away my driving and everything.
00:45:08.760
So, yeah, I think my purpose and meaning, certainly, is like, I have been a man on the mission for 12 years.
00:45:16.720
So, now I deal with it by going mad for two weeks, and then I go to a fitness camp for a week on my own, or go for walks for a week.
00:45:23.200
How does your family, I mean, they were catapulted into this life of yours without it being their choosing.
00:45:31.940
Are they currently happy that you've taken this path, or do they say, can you just keep your big mouth shut?
00:45:38.240
No, the kids have, there's been a massive shift, yeah?
00:45:43.080
My kids get to see the love I have people show me, whether I'll be in the car, when I'm out in the streets with people coming up, taking photos.
00:45:54.720
I've been violently attacked multiple times in front of my family.
00:45:57.920
They've seen that, but they also know why I do what I do.
00:46:03.840
So, I think now when my children come to the last rally on June 1st, we had 30,000 in London.
00:46:12.660
This is the reason they've thrown this case at me.
00:46:15.000
This is why at the time, they've held it for 18...
00:46:17.440
It was 18 months ago, and then bang, you're in court.
00:46:19.660
You're in court because they're worried, because there seems to be a mass awakening.
00:46:25.120
We held an event where there was members of every different British community or minority group that had come together and said,
00:46:38.040
But my kids have thankfully ended up being through bad times and facing it again now.
00:46:43.460
I think my kids have grown up to see the reason I do it, because I kept it all shielded from when they were younger.
00:46:52.340
All right, two more questions, although, of course, I could keep you here for another four hours.
00:46:57.100
But my wife is picking me up shortly, so we have to end it soon.
00:47:00.980
So, in one of the last chapters of the happiness book, I talk about regret.
00:47:06.200
And here, I want to set it up for you and then ask you the question.
00:47:08.780
So, one of my former professors, when I was doing my PhD, his name is Thomas Gilovich.
00:47:13.640
He studied the psychology of regret, and he argued, he wasn't the first one to argue this,
00:47:20.720
There is regret due to inaction or regret due to action.
00:47:25.420
So, regret due to inaction, I regret that I never became an artist and became an accountant
00:47:32.260
So, I regret that I didn't pursue what I wanted to pursue.
00:47:35.360
Regret due to action would be, I regret that I cheated on my wife,
00:47:39.180
and because of that action, that led to my divorce.
00:47:42.260
Well, if you ask people over the long term to look back at their life
00:47:47.040
in terms of what has been the most looming regret in their life,
00:47:51.120
usually it ends up being a regret due to inaction, the road not taken.
00:47:55.840
So, if I ask you, you're still a young man, but if I were to ask you today,
00:47:59.620
looking back, what is your singular or maybe couple of greatest sources of regret,
00:48:08.180
So, when the judge gave me the injunction, and it's had me up ever since.
00:48:11.500
So, if you worry about consequences, you're never going to bring about change.
00:48:17.060
I thought, I'll deal with the consequences when it happens.
00:48:23.820
Now, at prison, we have a saying with English defensively,
00:48:29.560
That's what we said, we're going to live by this rule.
00:48:33.440
And it got us all that way, and for the first time,
00:48:35.600
probably because I've done multiple stints of solitary confinement
00:48:41.920
my regret is not walking out of court and playing that film straight away
00:48:46.740
Your injunction, I don't recognise your injunction,
00:48:49.520
because your injunction is prohibiting the freedom of the press,
00:48:53.640
You're censoring the public from seeing the reality of what this lie is about.
00:48:59.940
And the reason I didn't do it is because I worried about the consequence.
00:49:02.160
I worried about the consequence and the effect it would have on my kids,
00:49:04.140
because I'd seen the effect it had each time I went to jail.
00:49:10.500
And I think I failed, for a year, it ate me up.
00:49:15.080
I thought I failed myself, and I failed my cause,
00:49:25.420
if you think you're going to take me to court on the 29th of July,
00:49:28.720
and you're going to put me in prison without me,
00:49:35.160
If you bring me to jail, the world's going to see the film.
00:49:38.960
And essentially, the only safety mechanism I have is enough of the public get to see that film.
00:49:44.460
Because if the public see the film, they know that all I've done was report the truth.
00:49:47.700
All I've done was give the public the truth, which is what they don't want them having.
00:49:52.120
I challenged the government narrative, and that's why they're punishing me for it.
00:50:00.020
All the other mistakes I've made, which I've made lots,
00:50:06.900
I think that every mistake you make changes the character you become.
00:50:19.640
I look at essentially some of the stuff I've done, or work I've done,
00:50:24.360
jeez, I weren't in a good place for years there.
00:50:26.560
And what could I have done if I was straight-headed, clean, fit, physically fit?
00:50:30.860
The one thing I'd have, my regret is being a mess, or a lazy mess.
00:50:43.160
Can I share your walk yesterday when you came to see me?
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So for those of you who don't know, I'm going to look at the camera,
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that where we are today is about a two-hour walk from where we ended up meeting.
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You can find me on Twitter, thanks to Elon Musk, at T. Robinson, New Era.