Parasitic Ideas + Suicidal Empathy = Death of the West - Heterodox Conference (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_854)
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Summary
In this episode of the podcast, I talk about the parasitic mind and suicidal empathy, and why they are killing the west. I also talk about some of the lessons I ve learned from the past and present, and give a few hints of what I ve been up to over the past 31 years, and what I d like to do in the future.
Transcript
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let's let's move forward so the title of uh of the panel is plus exclusion or true belief now
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i've been told to keep intros to a bare minimum um gad said is our first speaker uh who has 20
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minutes uh to present on parasitic ideas i was still 25 throughout
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parasitic ideas and suicidal empathy are killing the west as many of you know
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gad is an evolutionary behavioral scientist uh professor of marketing author of the parasitic
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mind and a forthcoming book uh which i think everybody's very excited about suicidal
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empathy of course you probably listen to the sad truth the podcast and if you're like me you see
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him popping up on your youtube feed every five minutes but make sure you check out his youtube
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channel again the floor is yours for 25 minutes well it's nice to meet some people in person that i only
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know through the online meetings so great to meet you i'll be on a second box i can appear through
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45 minutes apologies to the few people who were at yesterday's event i was told that very there'd be
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a very very little overlap between yesterday's audience and today's audience so if some of my
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incredibly funny jokes of yesterday really yesterday apologies but usually the tedium effect for humor
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takes a while to take hold so hopefully you'll still find me funny and hopefully in-house thing so
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what i'd like to talk about today is what's the parasitic mind and suicidal empathy and let me
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contextualize what is the kind of unifying uh narrative behind these two books so if i want if i wish to
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fully zombify a human being i need to do two things i need to precipice their cognitive system
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hence the parasitic mind but i also then need to zombify or parasitize your emotional system and
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suicidal empathy i'll spend much of the time talking about parasitic mind and then i'll give you a few hints of
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uh social uh social empathy so bear with me so there are two great wars that i have faced in my life
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the first war the one uh from my childhood the lebanese civil war uh had i had a bit more time i would
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have talked a bit more about it because there are some really interesting lessons that we can think
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say from my childhood in terms of relumacy that we see today and then the second great war is the war on
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reason science logic common sense that i've experienced or witnessed for 31 years as a
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professor and it is particularly something that i've witnessed because in my own research
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i applied evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biological principle in studying human behavior in
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general consumer behavior and economic behavior in particular now that to me seems like a very obvious
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proposition that of course human beings consume consumers employers employees are biological agents
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but to most of my social scientist colleagues that's crazy talk to most of my colleagues in the
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business school that's crazy so i originally saw many of these parasitic ideas which subsequently people
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refer to as focus and i saw them very early in my career in mid 90s and so what i'll do is i'll just
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i'll skip all the level of stuff i'll just mention this slide i'm gonna leave from concordia university
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because it became too dangerous for me as a uh outspoken jewish professor to be a concordia university for
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for those of you who think that whichever university you're at there's this laden with jew hatred it is
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child's play compared to concordia university concordia university has been referred to colloquially as
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gaza university for well over 20 years so someone with my crowbar has a very hard time walking on
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campus so i would have to go in to future lectures surrounded by security visit in the 21st century
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in montreal canada so you can try to ignore the problem but the problem's not going to go away
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this is an actual photo of the swap police the montreal city swap police that is there to protect
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jewish students to go into the building this is the reality that we're seeing now i said that one
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of the wars i faced was the the war in the the nisa award and i alluded to my scientific court i just
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want to mention a few examples of the evolution psychology research that i've done and i think most
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of you will nod and say yeah that makes perfect sense but if you saw the number of desk projections i
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had received from journals because i was arguing that human beings are biological beings you simply
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wouldn't believe it and so i'll just give you two examples of research i've done in one set of studies
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we looked at how imbuing men with high status via specific products so we actually brought men had them
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drive either a force and i tell people that the real accomplishment of that study was to try to
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convince a grant aid agency to give you money so that you could rent a porsche over the weekend
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and we did and so we brought people to the lab had them drive either a porsche or a beaten up old car
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either in downtown montreal which is a lek which is a zoological term where you can sort of peacock or on
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a semi-deserted highway and the dependent measure was salivary assays so that we could then watch what
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happens here endocrinological system uh when you are either viewed with a social win or social loss
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not surprisingly to anybody in this room you put young men in a porsche and the endocrinological
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system explodes so that was the first set of studies the second set of studies we looked at what
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happens to women's beautification practices across the menstrual cycle and so we measured women across
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35 continuous days because 35 days covers on average all menstrual cycle lives on average about 28
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days and we saw as exactly what it predicted that during the maximally fertile phase of the menstrual
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cycle this is when when this above em and judafide installs the most this is when they wear the
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stilettos this is when they walk with uh you know the sweat pass this is when they wear makeup when
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they're more scantily quiet and exactly the same way in a homologous way how other female species do it
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in their own ways with advanced species so it should be a no-brainer that biology should be relevant
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and expanding human behavior but the parasitized degenerates in academia thought that it was
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completely ridiculous that i would be applying biology now they're coming around to saying oh
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yeah i guess you were maybe right right and so this is so the parasitic mind is really a book that i've
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been writing in my head for 30 plus years even though officially it came out in 2020. so there are
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so let me now explain the neural personological framework there are basically two sets of pathogens
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that really affect the human condition the first one you're all familiar with it's the viruses the
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fungi the parasites the bacteria that have killed untold millions billions of people around the world
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throughout history but then i argue of course that there's a second class of pathogens parasitic ideas idea
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pathogens that also destroy our capacity to think to engage in critical thinking and so on and so
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just to give you a bit of a background to how i got that idea i started with mercy myself and the
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parasitology literature which is the study of uh host parasite interactions but of course parasites
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and say in the human context can go to different organs in your body so a tapeworm compressifies your
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intestinal tract a neural parasite though needs to end up in your brain altering your neuronal circuitry to
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suit its reproductive interests typically and so i'll give you a few examples i won't go through all of
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these but in the top one you see a spider uh wasp that it stings the much larger spider rendering it fully
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zombified but fully alive uh pulls it to its burrow lays its eggs on it and then as the eggs hatch it then
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they eat it in vivo and so you could think of political correctness as the spider wasp's thing right
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because it leads us quietly at me click the abyss of infinite donacy yes yes men too can menstruate yes yes
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right and so it's the exact same mechanism you have become zombified you have become
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precipice so yes i mean it's a metaphor but it it literally is what is happening to your capacity to
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reason because until 15 minutes ago the 117 billion people that have existed on earth were able to fully
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navigate through the penundrum of what constitutes the male and female phenotype but after you take a
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course and women's study at oberland you're no longer able to pat that's a very very difficult
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decision but every one of our ancestors seem to have been able to navigate through the civil problem
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i'll just skip to the wood cricket because this has become a viral term that i the people have
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adopted from me when i call someone for example a wood cricket jew so the wood cricket abhors water this is
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this met right here if i want hockey to do with water but when it is parasitized by a hair worm the hair
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worm needs the wood cricket to jump into water in order for it to complete its reproductive cycle so
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when a wood cricket is parasitized in this manner it willfully will commit suicide in the service of
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the hair worm so now you can start seeing how parasitic mime and suicidal empathy start going together
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so let's look at some wood crickets in the human form squares for palestine at the griffith
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manifestation as i explained that yesterday's uh talk in london uh if you're queer more power to you
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great if that's how you present yourself to the world then the decision becomes if i am queer should i
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put my eggs in supporting tel aviv which is one of the most queer friendly cities in the world or should i put
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my eggs in defending a society where they've come up with a really innovative form of some virgin
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therapy it's a gravity based and we call you off the roof pop and then the problem is solved with
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your queers right but of course when you're queers for palestine it's all about gaza jewish anna epstein
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is a wood critic jew because she decided at boston university to when after the hamas folks uh did
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a little uh sortie into uh southern israel uh to rip down the posters of the infants the jewish infants
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so imagine what her moral compass must look like in saying that never mind this wasn't that she pulled
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down the poster of a young man who could have been in the ibf she was very gleefully and proudly pulling
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down the photos of the four months old and six month old babies and she's jewish now had she been in at
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the nova festival she would have ended up in the same situation as the rest of people who were there
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but she's more enlightened empathetic and progressive again and then the third example that uh he's going
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to be very famous because he's going to be in the first chapter of of suicidal empathy is a norwegian
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man who had been sodomized by a somali immigrant and after the somali immigrant served a very like sentence
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because in norway they're much kinder than the rest of the world uh you don't want to punish
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criminals you want to rehabilitate and reintegrate them to society very quickly
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he was going to be deported back to somalia and that created huge amount of emotional emotional
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existential angst in the rate p because then using maslow's term i'm using maslow's term the somali
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sodomizer could not be fully self-actualized into the issue so there's that issue but he felt
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guilty that the somali rapist would not be fully flourishing that is not an evolutionary reflex that
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most of us have been in doubt with this is khalenitzan jewish khalenitzav with cricket jirup khalenitzan
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who was doing her phd at hebrew university and who was trying to identify uh the rampant rape
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of palestinian women by ibf soldiers that that was her work in hypothesis uh to her utter dismay when
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she found out that she couldn't identify a single base even after speaking with all of the palestinian
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women uh it turns out that that didn't dissuade her from her sort of meta uh conclusion which is
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that the idf soldiers are truly evil well how could it be that they are evil if none of them had raped
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anybody well it's because the idf soldiers so dehumanize so other palestinian women that they're
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not even worthy of being raped so she found a way to take not a single instance of rape as a
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manifestation of her working hypothesis that the idf soldiers are truly diabolical that's what parasitic
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thinking looks like so what are manifestations of ideological parasites well all of these you've
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probably heard of them by now but of course the granddaddy of them uh is post-modernism because that
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is the one that allows many of the other parasitic ideas to flourish there are no objective truths other
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than the one objective truth but there are no objective truths if that's true then men can be
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women cup is down left is right slavery is freedom and so on and so forth right and so post-modernism is
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truly a form of intellectual nihilism what i call intellectual terrorism right if if the 9-11 hijackers
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uh flew uh planes onto the uh the buildings uh post-modernists fly planes of bullshit into our end of
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the pacific reason let me give you a few examples from uh canada recent ones uh and i'm only using
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examples from canada because i'm canadian uh university of waterloo which is one of our top engineering
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computer science schools had a call because of course everybody's now woken up to artificial intelligence
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even though i'm called to say that i was studying artificial intelligence in the mid-1980s as a
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mathic computer science student uh and so if you look at the and by the way these are these are
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endowed professorships that are endowed by the canadian government so they're the most prestigious
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uh chair professorships and so you would really think that this is where maybe we we are really
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looking for excellence and it's it's truly a people's of meritocracy well let's look at the first this
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this is this is not shard sapphire this is literal right i'm taking a screenshot of the actual call
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so for the first position all areas of artificial intelligence are open the cause open draw only to
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qualified individuals who self-identify as women transgender gender fluid the non-binary or fruit spirit
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now this is so at yesterday's event sort of the the working uh question was is woke dead no it's not in
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canada this is at my own university although i'm currently a visiting professor of the united states
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but my home university uh concordia university uh the bottom one is a project that's funded by our
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taxpayers uh that stopped to or seek students i think it's still ongoing seeks to decolonize light
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right the physics of light you know the one where many physicists have won nobel prizes on but they all
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suffer from something called original dermatological sin here they are white and so we can't fully trust
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their their knowledge their epistemology and so we're going to now indigenize the study of light and
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the taxpayers that's made up but that wasn't enough and so we came up with a five-year program
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the five-year strategic plan of kubbcora university the number one ish is to decolonize and indigenize the
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entire curriculum so it doesn't matter what you're teaching so i i study psychology of
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decision making consumer psychology evolutionary psychology i would have to do a good faith effort
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into decolonizing all those fields and indigenizing now you know why i'm by the room of taxes
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uh this usually the setup of the story is quite funny but i i'm i'm worried about the time so i'll kind
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of summarize it very quickly i in 2002 i had a conversation with uh the date of one of my
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doctoral students who had just defended his phd and i found out that she was studying was a graduate
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student in women's studies cultural anthropology and post-modernism to which i answer the ah so the
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holy trinity of motion and and so i i had asked her you know are there any universal truths and she said
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no and so what you're seeing here the slides i asked her if is it not true that only women
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bear children within homo sapiens this is in 2002 so this is well before the transgender activism
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and she said no because there's a japanese tribe on some japanese island where within the mythological
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realm it is the men who bear children so by you keeping us barefoot and pregnant this is it this is
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what you do so after i recovered from the mini stroke i had this thing i then asked her is it not true that
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the sun rises in the east and sets in the west so there she went to she pulled out ja perry dog and
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she said what do you mean by east and west and what do you mean by the sun that which you call the sun
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i might call dancing hyena i said well fine the dancing hyena rises up the east and sets in the west
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i said i don't play those label games now why why is always repeated the calvastro perfectly encapsulates
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what happens to the human mind one once it is exposed to these it's kind of completely darwinian
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there is no there's no epistemological exit from all this bullshit if we can't agree 23 years ago that
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only women their children there's a thing called the sun uh then where do we go from there so i could have
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told you every single thing that we see today 25 years ago if people had here to listen
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uh here actually this is a couple of slides that i didn't mention much yesterday well i'd like to
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think i've said a couple of new things today from yesterday uh so social constructivism and biophobia
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are two quite academic parasitic ideas well biophobia is the field of reading biology to explain human
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behavior and so if these are actual market actual market things where the very clever and progressive uh
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toy company reverse the typical roles right and so typically the argument is that toy preferences are
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socially constructed and so if i want to demonstrate that this is simply not true how would i go about
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demonstrating that in other words how can i build a network of evidence that is so unassailable that you
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have to concede that so far truth is on my side so the next slide is actually a really important one and i
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hope that you know sort of people uh take it and apply to their own hearings of research so this is
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called a normal life network of cumulative evidence in the center i'm trying to prove to you that uh
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there is a sex specificity to corey preferences that is uh certainly sexually biaborate and then it
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discuss what what would be the biological or evolutionary reasons for that but if i wanted to convince
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you of that how would i go about doing that well that's i won't go through the entire network but i'll go
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through enough of it but demonstrate this incredibly powerful epistemology so i can get you data from
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developmental psychology where i can show you that children who are too young to yet be socialized
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already exhibit those sex specific core preferences so that already is incredibly powerful it's it's a
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it's a nail it it's a in your coffin but i'm not going to stop there i can get you data from other
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species from vervet monkeys from rhesus monkeys and from chimpanzees showing you that their infants
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exhibit the exact same sex specificity i can get you data from uh pediatric endocrinology where little
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girls who suffer from congenital adrenal hyperplasia which masculinizes the behavior of little girls and
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then morphological teachers i can show you that girls who suffer from that condition have an exact reversal
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of their tort references they become they get to those of boys oh but professor sad you're you're
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talking about western cultures oh no i can get your data from sub-saharan africa that have absolutely
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nothing to do with the west where they have the exact same tort references oh but professor sad this is all
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current time period oh okay i can get you data from 2500 years ago where on ancient funerary monuments
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uh they they're showing kids playing an exact pick with the exact same types of toys as they do today
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so i've gotten you data from across cultures across time periods across species across methodologies
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across disciplines across dependent measures all of which point to the veracity of my position
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so one of the reasons i think that i haven't been so uh is because i always build my requisite
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from a logical network so if i go into an arena and many times i go into very hostile arenas and if
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i've already built the normal logical network with luck to you if you wish to debate it so it's kind
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of hard to cancel me if i've got this back in the up and so i would certainly uh implore you to sort
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of develop that methodology within your overall debates let's talk quickly about ostrich parasitic syndrome
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ostrich parasitic syndrome is something that i discussed in chapter six of uh the parasitic mind
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which is basically of course i mean the ostrich doesn't literally do that but it's become a
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metaphor for wanting to ignore reality which is exactly one of the battlefield conditions of someone
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who is precipice and so here what i've got now this number keeps changing this is as up about a couple
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weeks ago 47 506 terror attacks by the beautiful and peaceful religion of islam since 9 11 alone in 70
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countries and i can get you data that's even more the number is bigger than that from academic sources
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that are left-leaning so you certainly can't you couldn't say it's because it's zionist god who's
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coming up with this data right so i can triangulate the veracity of that now in nearly every single
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one of those cases the perpetrators will tell you exactly why they're doing it and they will evoke their
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faith as to why they're doing it but uh the bien pensant and academia the good thinkers the politically
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correct folks that are much more highfalutin and have a progressive list and know much better than you
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can you have explained to us all these other reasons some of them by the way some of my colleagues here are
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friends with uh i won't hold them against them uh but let me just show you a few uh i'll mention the same
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ones as yesterday but i did have chosen other one look at the well the third one i'm really worried
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about because my son who's 13 has been playing video games and so i'm really really worried that
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he's up to being now recruited by isis as a levagese jew uh the fourth one is a really really good one
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very uh progressive analysis it it turns out that many of the attackers in brussels i think it was brussels
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uh they found out that it's because it could well be that during their teenage years they hadn't been
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exposed to enough uh art good art and so for example i as i explained yesterday at the the event
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my wife and i are insidious and ensuring that you know our children are exposed to shagal the body
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gliani to picasso to climp because otherwise their chances of being recruited by isis and the moslem
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brotherhood is really really hot and then of course uh bill nye who is you have to take him
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seriously because he wears both eyes plus he has the science guy in his title so he must be a serious
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thinker explain to us that the bataklan attack in paris where nearly 200 people were mulled down like
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little insignificant mosquitoes was not due because of them screaming allahu akbar and then saying a
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whole bunch of other incantations from islam it's actually due to climate change and by the way
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if any of you don't believe any of this you would read the parasitic one and see those references
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so a human being to many of which many millions of people follow argued with great emboldened sense of
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epistemological security that it was climate change that caused muhammad to do it that's what
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the rest of the prime looks like here i've got uh because we're in britain i thought that i would bring
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this example up i also did yes i guess i'm just going to read a few mains uh which you'll appreciate
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because given the paravik my mother found you'll get that extra double row pronunciation you have
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muhammad there is one haslam you got abdul rahman you've got nahman muhammad you've got wikas mahmoud
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you've got muhammad ifrass muhammad azim manzoor hassan muhammad hakram so i put it out on twitter and i said i
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don't i'm not really sophisticated enough to understand if there is some kind of unifying
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theme across these funny doers and i got back as a serious answer by thousands of people
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yes jew this proves that it is the jews who did it you know how it's the jews because who controls
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britain's immigration policy it's the jews it turns out also that the jews control the immigration policy
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of italy of spain of sweden and as i mentioned that yesterday's party i'm the king of the jews
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and if i've never been invited to any of those meetings but this is what happens to a person it
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might let me just briefly i'm a bit over time but i'll try to wrap it up suicidal empathy then
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extends the story and let me explain the framework of suicidal empathy there are many psychiatric
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disorders which are only psychiatric disorders because they become hyperactive or hypoactive
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right so pseudobulbar affect is where you start laughing hysterically as you saw in the joker
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well laughter actually has some evolutionary signatures but not in the way that occurs with
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pseudobulbar affect right crying could be an adaptive mechanism but it's not good when crying comes
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at inopportune times when you shouldn't be crying so it's not that empathy is a wrong thing right
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empathy is actually a an evolutionary based virtue it is part of what oils our sociality so empathy is
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great suicidal empathy is when it is targeting the wrong people at the wrong time at the wrong place
00:27:24.560
and so once the soup that once the empathy and how do you miss buyers you end up with a slew of
00:27:30.400
domestic and foreign policies that are exactly what we're seeing in the west so fasten your seat belt
00:27:36.480
for the next book so i'll just very quickly i had a whole bunch of other slides i'll end it with the
00:27:42.080
two final slides so how to save our universities and i'm going to specifically focus on these two
00:27:47.280
slides because we're at an academic conference number one pursue knowledge unencumbered by ideological
00:27:53.440
activism no knowledge is forbidden if it is honestly pursued using the scientific method freedom of
00:28:00.000
speech freedom of inquiry and the pursuit of truth are deontological principles don't adhere to a
00:28:05.200
consequentialist ethics when it comes to these kinds of principles no more identity politics and
00:28:10.240
all that bullshit no more coddling of the culture of offense and the ethos of perpetual victimhood
00:28:16.160
a just society is rooted in the ethos of ameritocracy uh i see steven vicker here and i know that
00:28:23.040
people wilson was at his university yeah steven uh you know wilson famously said he recently
00:28:28.640
passed away he's a social hand expert uh where social ads are communistic when he was asked professor
00:28:34.880
wilson what are your comments or what are your views on socialism slash communism he said great idea
00:28:40.880
wrong species right we saw the full genetic history of a species matters it makes sense for us to be
00:28:46.480
communistic if we're social ads not as much if we are human beings uh promote an ethos of intellectual
00:28:52.880
political diversity of course you all know this already all ideas beliefs and ideologies are open
00:28:59.280
to ridicule and criticism one of the things that i do in my work let me just skip here
00:29:04.560
that i want to read you this quote and then i'll wrap up with the things that i'll be done how much
00:29:09.520
truth is contained if something can be best determined by making it thoroughly laughable and
00:29:13.680
then watching to see how much joking around it it can take for truth is a matter that can stand mockery that
00:29:19.840
is freshened by any ironic gesture directed at it whatever cannot stand satire is false any of you
00:29:26.160
who follow me know that i am a a very uh ardent user of ridiculous sarcasm mockery not because i can't
00:29:34.800
put on a professorial hat but because sarcasm is actually terribly affected in getting the point
00:29:41.520
crossed especially when you're dealing with ludicrous ideas so let me wrap up with the list of things to
00:29:47.120
save the west and i'll see the floor number eight promoted ethos of interdisciplinarity consilience
00:29:53.520
and methodological pluralism number nine which is really important because most academics are part
00:30:00.320
of the new species that i have uh discovered they're called the invertebrate castrati they have neither
00:30:06.880
nor testicles and that is absolutely true okay uh so encourage bold thinking academia should be about
00:30:13.920
the forming of intellectual navy seals and not being counters there there is no group that is more
00:30:19.200
cowardly than academics i guarantee you i promise you despite the fact that institutionally they should
00:30:25.680
be the most courageous because technically we have this thing called fenure it doesn't stop the fact that
00:30:30.240
if i go boo they all run away number 10 strike the right balance between specialization and generalization
00:30:37.040
number 11 remove the stifling stifling bureaucracies in academia so for example now if i want to run a study
00:30:43.920
i'm way more afraid of going through the institutional review board than actually doing the study because
00:30:49.680
it had heretic me 474 years to go through all of the degenerate bullshit that they put in group and then
00:30:56.400
finally science reason logic and a commitment to evidence-based thinking trump ideology hurt feelings
00:31:02.800
fascial anti-science and for intellectual gibberish thank you very much
00:31:12.400
so we go to our questions and discussion we're going to make rewrote our second speaker
00:31:19.520
the second speaker is going to speak on wapeness is a smoke screen for class as the mini
00:31:32.240
video batches most uh known for her two books both of which i'm ready to say red uh second class how
00:31:39.760
elites portrayed america's working men and women which uh has been everywhere recently and i'm i was
00:31:46.800
pleased to join back during the discussion about that recently in the us and bad news how woke media
00:31:53.280
is undermining democracy how the media class uh has basically lost the plot actually the forest u.s
00:31:59.760
my first book is my better book not least because zap bolberg and massard algarbi are quoted at
00:32:12.400
length and they're the just parts of it and makes us far better than my second book but my second book
00:32:17.440
is a more important one because it's about the american working class who is the american working
00:32:21.920
class and we still have access to the american dream um which is the question you should be asking um
00:32:29.920
hence the title my talk that wokeness is a smoke screen for class um i've only been here for about
00:32:35.920
24 hours but um everyone talks to me about these rape gangs um i obviously found out about them actually
00:32:43.840
because elon musk tweeted about them um i'm very focused on my own country i'm a huge patriot and really
00:32:50.960
only care about america but some of them shouldn't admit uh so he tweeted about them and so suddenly
00:32:56.560
everybody in my country was talking about these grooming gang gangs um and lost in the conversation
00:33:01.840
was the fact that he only tweeted about them to distract from the fact that he had majorly pissed off
00:33:07.120
the maca base that he had now joined by saying that we should be importing um exponentially more h1b
00:33:14.720
visa holders which make the lightning very angry because the old point of the magra movement
00:33:20.880
is seeking working class people a shot at the american jury which of course is you know
00:33:26.400
completely contradictory to bringing in lots of people to work in these white-collar jobs
00:33:31.440
from other countries who are going to do them for much less um and i think that's kind of like a
00:33:35.760
nice um metonymy for how i see the whole anti-walt movement which is that it's a little bit of
00:33:41.520
abstraction from a much more important economic question you know i usually say something that i hope
00:33:47.600
doesn't offend you i usually say something like it would have been fine if wokeness had just sort of
00:33:51.920
sprayed in academia you know um you guys probably don't think that's fine but it would have been
00:33:56.800
sort of fine and in a much more general sense it wouldn't have exploded and the reason that it
00:34:01.760
exploded out of university unlike a lot of the other crazy idea that you know cooked up over you know
00:34:07.840
the last centuries is because it was very much in the economic interests of the elites
00:34:14.240
to divert attention from the real divide which is the class divide and talk about these racial or
00:34:19.360
gender categories the thing that i'm going to say here that's probably less popular is that the
00:34:23.840
anti-walt movement is doing a very similar thing it's very much in the interests of some elites to be
00:34:29.520
woe and it's very much in the interest of other elites to be anti-woe because of course it allows them
00:34:34.880
to be the true nature of everything um and i think that that mindset is equally on both sides of it um
00:34:45.920
so we had this great plot last night um i gotta tell you there's i didn't realize there was something
00:34:50.720
better than being applauded by a root full of people and it's actually being booed by a root full of
00:34:55.040
people after you tell them that you can't just denaturalize citizens because they happen to be muslims
00:35:02.160
and and this is something i mean the shock on my face um a young orthodox jewish boy i'm an orthodox
00:35:10.320
jew a young orthodox jewish boy stood up and said no we are guests in this country in a pristine british
00:35:15.840
accent and i'm telling you this because i will be haunted by that for a very long time it's horrifying
00:35:22.000
the idea that the citizens of your country are somehow guests because of their faith my country was
00:35:28.880
founded on the opposite of that and so if that's the end game of the anti-woe stuff i will be your
00:35:34.800
enemies um all right um why why is woke peace a smokescreen for class um it's related to this
00:35:42.880
question of why woke peace is dying in a very big way in america because we are in the midst of a
00:35:48.240
populist revolt against the elites very much because of donald trump who represented
00:35:55.600
uh the mavo movement which is itself a massive multi-racial populist working class agenda and
00:36:02.080
here i divert from eric to me class is very much about education not about income what we've seen
00:36:08.400
in the united states over the last 50 years is a political realignment of around class to where it
00:36:14.880
used to be that the republicans were sort of the party of wealthy and triple down economics and all this
00:36:19.840
stuff and the democrats represented labor and now the working class votes for mad are for trump it's
00:36:25.200
not really republicans i could talk about that that's interesting um and meanwhile the rich now are
00:36:29.680
mostly democrats most rich people are part of democrats and this realignment means that the
00:36:35.600
democratic party is now an uneasy coalition between very poor people who rely on government benefits
00:36:41.840
and very wealthy educated people and it is the working class where the hardest working americans who
00:36:46.800
have been cut out of the prosperity um what happened over the last 50 years was um the democrats built an
00:36:54.320
economy that was an upward transfer of wealth from labor into the pockets of the educated so in the
00:37:01.440
70s which was the sort of high watermark for a working class purchasing power the largest share of the
00:37:06.880
wealth in my country was in the middle class people who worked in factories were middle class at a middle
00:37:11.840
class standard of living and that's not separable from the fact that 25 of our economy the largest
00:37:17.760
share was in manufacturing which is of course why tariffs are so important because they're bringing
00:37:22.320
back that manufacturing today the largest share of our economy 20 is financed in real estate meaning
00:37:28.880
it's in the hands of the asset rich and top 10 which is not the billionaires it's the people
00:37:36.320
hash room control over 60 percent of the gdp and the way that they did that was through successive
00:37:44.240
policy decisions that took money from their working class neighbors and put it in their own pockets for
00:37:50.240
example having a very lax immigration agenda so for elites immigration is about culture for working
00:37:57.520
class people it's about economics it's about having a tight labor market if you control separation or a very
00:38:04.960
um wise labor market where you can ask for fewer wages and in fact those wages that you can no
00:38:10.800
longer command because your elite neighbor who's a doctor who's married to a professor who needs
00:38:16.240
child care so that they can both work um they can now pay somebody from haiti and they don't have
00:38:21.200
to give them health care and they don't have to pay them a living wage so immigration is a really big
00:38:25.120
part of how the elites basically it means it's actual wage theft it is a plundering of people who work
00:38:33.440
much harder than them and they accepted them to accept it and then they'll show you these slides
00:38:38.960
sorry i'm on the slide but they'll show you these slides that show that you know homes today have
00:38:43.920
you know much more homes have air conditioning than they did in the 70s like the expectation of what
00:38:49.840
their neighbors should suffice with and be satisfied with compared to how they are living is godless
00:38:56.640
and it's why people were so angry it's where the populist revolt came from very very bloodless i mean it's a
00:39:03.280
very chill they just voted for the person that the elites hate more than anybody else on the planet
00:39:09.040
and the reason they hate him is because he was trying to do right by the electorate um so immigration
00:39:15.120
um free trade is another one of the ways in which the elites um under the working class in the middle
00:39:21.600
class they defunded vocational training so it used to be that a child an amerify young man who maybe has
00:39:27.840
the uh a character traits that god was talking about not great at sitting you know for long periods of
00:39:34.000
time not super great at you know following instructions from people or um you know being
00:39:40.000
submissive to authority had a great avenue into the middle class because in their high school they would
00:39:45.040
be taught how to weld um and and that would be funded by democrats because they decided everyone
00:39:50.560
should go to college of course college being the number one predictor for whether you're a democrat
00:39:54.800
right um so we basically had this economy that was in the by the same people who were claiming to be
00:40:03.840
on the side of the little guy and on the side of labor and on the side of the working class were
00:40:09.440
actually um navigating politically and economically in this way that was stealing from their neighbors who
00:40:19.760
they were pretending to represent and to stand for and on the other side you had the gop before trump
00:40:26.560
which was very much geared towards the rich the triple down economics the country clubs is very pro
00:40:32.320
corporation um and i think when you look at why the woke ideology became so popular not just in the academy
00:40:44.480
but as zach has showed so well filtered through the media and then became utterly mainstream among the
00:40:52.400
college educated in america the 30 percent of americans who have that degree the 20 who work in the
00:40:58.160
knowledge industry and the 10 who are in the top 10 in the elites the reason it took hold was because
00:41:04.160
it was a perfect alibi for the sin that they were committing against their neighbors it was a justification
00:41:12.400
for the shipping of men's jobs men's jobs in manufacturing overseas to china to build up china's
00:41:19.040
middle class so that when those men objected they said oh um that's your toxic masculinity speaking
00:41:26.880
that you think you should have the right to use your physical body to feed your family and to protect
00:41:31.840
your wife and your children and the racial moral panic happened in a very similar way when working
00:41:37.680
class people said wait a minute why are we we worked so hard and you sold our future our children's
00:41:42.960
future out to our greatest adversaries they said oh well you're racists and and when they said well
00:41:49.120
you opened the border and now suddenly i was a janitor used to be able to i used to own a home my kids
00:41:55.280
now have no hope of ever achieving what i did um because there's now millions more people working in five
00:42:01.840
very specific industries by the way the vast majority of the people working those industries are still
00:42:06.160
americans there are no jobs that americans don't want to do when they objecting to that they said
00:42:11.920
how dare you you are racist for wanting to have a national border we have so much we're the richest
00:42:18.080
country on the planet how dare you deprive the global indigent of a shot at the american dream
00:42:26.560
these unbelievably wealthy people who were controlling sixty percent of the gbp said to
00:42:31.600
people whose children were dying of fentanyl overdoses because they have no picture in this
00:42:35.760
country so of course the you see how the the language of wokeness which basically says there's
00:42:42.480
no right versus wrong there's no nation state there's no concept of citizenship or what we owe each
00:42:48.640
other or noblesse oblige maybe i owe something to this country that means so wealthy wokeness is
00:42:54.560
basically saying we're row away the distinction between right versus wrong and instead we're going to
00:42:59.520
have a distinction between powerful versus powerless oh how do you know who has power in which situation
00:43:04.320
oh we'll use skin color it's so easy it's so obvious you're doing gender it's so obvious right
00:43:09.200
and then and then instead using that as a shorthand for virtue um they don't mean it what they meant
00:43:16.000
for to do was on to hide their crimes against their neighbors um i think a lot of the data backs this up i i
00:43:23.680
for my second second book second class i traveled around the country i interviewed hundreds of working
00:43:28.640
class people from all political backgrounds they had a very unified way of seeing the world whether
00:43:33.440
they voted republican democrat they were actually quite unified and and very emotionally unified very
00:43:38.800
emotionally attached to this country the polarization that we see is like an utterly elite phenomenon
00:43:43.920
there's no issue that they really disagreed on they were the conservatives were very pro-gay
00:43:49.200
and the and the democrats were very very anti-trans like that kind of a thing they all thought there
00:43:55.440
was tons of abuse and welfare and did not want more welfare but they wanted to tax the rich including
00:44:00.400
the republicans the conservatives so the working class in america is very very united around a whole
00:44:05.280
bunch of issues they are economically copulist they're anti-war and they're socially moderate
00:44:10.000
um which of course is the agenda that that got dumb trump into the white house um and and the opposition
00:44:15.600
to him is so much about that if you think back to 2018 um the bottom 25 percent of wage earners i'm not
00:44:24.240
talking about the poor again i'm talking about the working class people who work bottom 25 of wage
00:44:29.600
earners saw four percent wage increase and the top 25 only saw a 2.5 wage increase which means that trump
00:44:36.960
was the first president to shrink the income gap in about 60 years and this is the kind of thing that
00:44:44.000
nobody talked about it because of course republicans didn't care and democrats don't want to give him
00:44:48.160
any credit for it but the policies here that he is enacting in the name of working class people are
00:44:53.200
going to continue to unify working class people and bring them together but also they are weakening
00:44:58.560
the elites and you're seeing this thing is more on harvard to where you know aside from just like
00:45:04.960
the amazing service to the united states of exposing the fact that two billion dollars in your taxpayer dollars
00:45:11.600
are going to educate xi jinpi's daughter and other you know future abstract jokes of the chinese
00:45:16.960
communist party um it the the the that is class warfare on behalf of a forgotten elected ignored
00:45:24.720
working class who deserved a lot better um so i think that a lot of the in in america it feels to me
00:45:31.120
like a lot of the wokeness is sort of fading because the economic prospects of the working
00:45:37.040
class are improving and it was the the economic prospects of the working class that wokeness
00:45:42.560
uh became popularized in order to conceal um thank you very much i'm sorry if i affect you
00:45:53.280
let's open up for some questions and discussion if we could turn the lights back on as well
00:45:58.320
and just look at one of the organizers i'm afraid my eyesight is terrible so i'm just going to point
00:46:02.960
at people check from the blazer shop over there okay yeah so i i i have a question uh the last speaker
00:46:10.080
there i'm actually here to set it to this side one than you may likely possibly because in this country
00:46:18.080
i think class is a and they're right you know i grew up in i grew up beside wales so classes never
00:46:24.240
have you know on other places i hate it hate the backdrop but um one of one of the i i've
00:46:32.720
happened to agree that i think that a lot of work was a was a smokescreen um that in a way was it was
00:46:40.720
a method of containing a genuine authentic left that was arising there in the in the late 2000s
00:46:48.880
but then funnily enough when you get capitalism they've got this way of containing things and you
00:46:56.480
had this whole thing of work capitalism or corporate wokeness uh which then somehow can date contain all
00:47:04.000
of any of the any of the kind of dissident energy that wokeness mayor may have had my question for
00:47:10.800
you is uh you know you're kind of uh painting mega as this authentic working-class movement but i've
00:47:18.320
already started to see like i remember there was that big campaign against bud light and then bud like
00:47:24.080
really cynically they they started changing the messaging on the advertising and it's like
00:47:28.640
oh you know bud light we we support the veterans um so i'm just i'm just wondering what kind of uh
00:47:36.080
protections could be in place for mega as a phenomena being co-opted by capital c capital by the
00:47:43.520
corporations and essentially just becoming like another kind of fake thing like like when it was so
00:47:50.320
great we just take your question we'll take a bunch uh we just take one over here as well yeah
00:47:55.840
behind you yeah uh thank you um i think the two questions i have are directed striking the brief
00:48:04.560
yep two very brief questions started together yeah authoritarian i'm a bit of a ask question
00:48:13.120
authoritarian as well so it's a there's this word buzzing around i think kind of eric used it as
00:48:20.720
well it's called data and i'm very very suspicious of data but it wasn't that long ago when we were
00:48:28.160
locked up in our homes because the data told us we had to be locked up in our homes so i think it's a
00:48:34.800
real danger that in defending science and defending rational thought that we end up reinventing their
00:48:44.160
version of scientism and so less data please um the second very quick question is
00:48:55.280
saving the university uh why uh i think we should bury it myself because it seems to be the key driver
00:49:03.200
uh the key institutional mechanism by a lot of this erosion of western culture uh is occurring so
00:49:11.840
why why save the university okay great why save the university do we have a mic for the speakers
00:49:18.160
yeah uh why save the university why should we have faith in science is MAGA be co-opted
00:49:23.680
question i mean i can answer the why save the university the class stuff uh there are a lot of
00:49:38.080
things that are wrong with the university as i mentioned in my talk all of the parasitic ideas
00:49:43.520
originally extend from the university ecosystem there are also the measurable good that comes out of
00:49:49.840
universities right so if i were to take a percentage of all the professors and all of the students
00:49:56.320
who go about their business doing great stuff as a proportion of the people who are espousing and
00:50:01.520
promulgating and being parasitized by this nonsense the ratio is still very favorable so i don't think we
00:50:08.000
need to you know nuclear bomb these adversities we need to simply find a way to conoculate people against
00:50:15.280
some of these dreadful ideas now if these ideas do cause you know it in you know in ordinate the
00:50:22.640
mark of the average downstream right at times they also become prime ministers of countries justin
00:50:29.280
brutal who is both the exemplar of parasitic thinking and of suicide so i'm not uh minimizing the
00:50:37.840
extent of this person i use obviously i i cook the book but it would be silly to say let's just
00:50:43.520
newt the whole thing now by the way just as a final point there are also attempts to create new
00:50:49.680
institutions uh from the ground up uh and hoping to hopefully not make the same mistakes as the
00:50:55.920
existing universities but i think it would be maybe a bit harsh to say let's get rid of the whole intro
00:51:00.320
of us i'm with you i think they're worthless anything get rid of them
00:51:07.440
i i think even the sciences are so corrupted by the process of getting things published
00:51:12.480
like i i'm with you um on the mat i mean my god could you even imagine a corporate america
00:51:20.000
wanting to co-op the tariffs i would be dancing for joy like this is a real materialist agenda that's
00:51:26.400
putting running in the pockets of working class people everyone is welcome if walmart instead of
00:51:31.600
being like we're going to raise taxes said you know what we're going to eat this as an act of
00:51:35.440
patriotism because we are asking working class people to eat the cost so that their children will have a
00:51:40.880
better life by the way something they're happy to do because as one truck driver explained to me last
00:51:45.760
week you know sacrificing for my kids is what it means to be working class you know and and we're
00:51:52.080
not going to ask the elites to do the same thing we're not going to ask corporate america to do the
00:51:55.200
same thing there have been um i think it was gm said you know yeah we're going to take down our
00:52:00.240
projected profits from 15 billion to 10 billion that's tariffs for you baby that's great that's that's
00:52:06.560
you know if they want to they want to metabolize the maga agenda i could not be happier if private
00:52:12.080
the organizations want to donate to policing the poor it could be great there's there's very little
00:52:16.640
that can be actually co-opted because it's not a symbolic movement it's just good obvious policy
00:52:23.440
that was democratic policy to put money in the pockets of working-class people for a hundred years
00:52:28.560
you know having a strong button the illegal border crossings are down to three a day like it's
00:52:34.720
i don't see how you really co-opt that it's just good policy for a nation but um i take your point
00:52:41.040
okay let's get some questions we've got one up in the corner we've got two up in the corner
00:52:46.880
we're gonna make our way around the hallway let's keep the questions brief yeah
00:52:52.560
and they are definitely very much really entertaining as well as you boy the short question is in this
00:52:59.200
country our politicians despise the working class and the door work universities your suggestions
00:53:10.320
so in my country that was true until a certain person came along who had just a very obvious love
00:53:17.920
of the people um you have to shame them about it you have it has to be relentless shame about having
00:53:25.600
contempt for people who work so much harder than us and have so much less to show for it just
00:53:32.400
relentless shame and stop asking about the woke stuff like it you know what are you going to do
00:53:38.560
to make housing more affordable what are you going to do to protect the product of the labor of the
00:53:43.840
working man and woman i think it's it's just like relentless shaming them out of their contempt there was a
00:53:49.760
question just in front over here and then we're going to come down the pillow uh to synthesize
00:53:56.960
something wait a little isn't the progressive ideology really reacting to classes of socialism on
00:54:01.600
the left the left reinvention itself by creating endless victim groups the neurodiverse uh ethnic
00:54:06.880
minorities women etc this also then generates group beat of the bureaucratic class with forced hr codes
00:54:12.400
who have to be graduates that creates the new left uh 21st century and the new right is populous
00:54:18.560
quite fighting against it the problem seems to be that there is a different split between the
00:54:24.800
within the new right between people think the state should be used to support the working class and
00:54:29.360
create a new group that the state back and there's some more classical liberal people who beat that
00:54:33.680
the problem is that the government has got fewer bigger because i thought lots of renowns was great
00:54:38.080
but isn't the problem the state's bigger than its regulatory share of state spending so it's weird
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to then say the problem is that our state is not big enough when it's never been larger i'll answer
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very briefly uh donald trump has done something i've never seen done before which is he's combined
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very pro-worker things like closing the border wall street hates that and tariffs wall street hates
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that in fact wall street donated more to the democrat candidate than to donald trump for three
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terms and three cycles in a row so the rich have solidly picked the democrats donald trump has come
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combined just specifically and i don't know if this would work for the uk contacts unfortunately i'm
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very boldly ignorant so then he thinks i'm my own country but um the he combined that with very pro
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business stuff like massive massive deregulation cheap energy and uh slashing the corporate tax rate
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they're now negotiating whether you know raising taxes on the wealthy should be part of the pro worker
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stuff or they should slap taxes on the wealthy put that in the pro business side i think they should
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put in the labor side but so he's combined massive deregulation and pro business goodies with the more pro
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labor stuff he's not actually trying to they're not doing a good enough job of of you know controlling
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the deficit but they're also not trying to give the job of increasing the fortunes of the working
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class to the government in fact he's trying to make industry pay for it with the tariffs he just went on
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this trick he got six trillion dollars committed to man building manufacturing back in the united states
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so he's trying this thing out of can we get private industry to pay for the things that they made go
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basically awry in our economy i don't know if it'll work but i think that that dichotomy like in america
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the sort of classical liberal thing is very much just like a some play thing of bill heats it does not
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have any just like libertarianism it does not have a foothold there's no constituency that it represents
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just before we come to helen i was going to come in on the mouse i mean i i was just going to say
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that a lot of the questions uh allude to sort of a top-down process whereby you know there are evil
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puppeteers of one political persuasion or another that are doing this stuff uh in order to for whatever
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purpose does it have and maybe there is a bit of truth to that but i believe i think i believe it
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it's quite clear that a lot of these parasitic ideas and suicidal empathy stem from a frailty of
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the architecture of the human mind and frailty in our emotional system to be hijacked and so many of
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these parasitic ideas did not start off you know with any uh specific political downstream effect whether
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it be class-based or so you know franz boas and his friends uh were the originators of cultural
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relativism and the reason why they thought that was a good idea is because if you would argue that
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biology is relevant in explaining human behavior all sorts of political cretins might misuse it so now
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let's create new edifices of knowledge in anthropology in economics in sociology uh where biology ceases to
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matter so that so the origins of cultural relativism which now finds itself in many of our policy
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decisions had nothing to do with sort of a top-down willful manipulation of the people so i think it
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would be incorrect to presume that all of this bad thinking stems from nefarious folks in the background
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that are doing their alterings helen i think then about one thing that that i would like to talk
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about is how to really kind of solidify or concretize the language that's going on here so i see a lot of
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things that will shift here when we're talking for example about a calcitic mind virus how are we going to
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be careful that this does not fly into the whole sort of like fragility they were as i'm i'm when it
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used to be so but this is my whitelist speaking i need to dismantle my whitelist decolonize my thinking
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people for detoxifying their masculinity how can we be certainly written back well you would think like
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that because you've been parasitized parasitized by a a woke mind bar as i have been apparently and i'm
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accused of this more often now and also did the concept of elites and how can we make sure that this
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doesn't go the same way as a privilege whereas if you are disagreeing with me there will be grounds
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on which you can found to be privileged and that to explain it whereas if you if you're agreeing with
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me then then you're not getting in that because when i'm hearing that for example the richest man in the world
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runs the largest social media platform and the president of the united states are not idiots i i
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feel we're kind of losing all um all handwritten come and i'm not just cool so a great question if
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i can just abuse my position gap what's the intersection between the parasitic mind and social
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status because in britain when i think about what you you've been saying like pretty much of it if i
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look at say a political party like the conservative party before a party much of their refusal to take
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on weakness or radical coercivism i would argue has been rooted more in their desire to as they see it
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uphold their social status among certain elite communities to not get dragged into the low status
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culture wars rather than perhaps their thinking being hijacked by a particular mindset rob henderson
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among others have made this point about social status so we can add that in too uh and and how
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we define the elites uh as well about you sort of like ask the first question figure uh i mean i think
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there is a very tight definition of what constitutes a person an idea uh so it's not jack that he died
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could be whatever you want it to be uh but that said so to your point about incorporating political
01:00:44.720
elements um i never argue although i i don't mean to abide that we've insinuated this that it's only people on
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the left that could be parasitized by specific satellite meters it turns out that the parasitic ideas
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that i talk about in the book it's all stem from the left because they all stem from academia and most
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academics happen to be on the left but people on the right could also be fully parasitized so let me
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give you an example from my own work evolution is much more likely to be rejected by people on the right
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for whatever reasons that they hold if it wears my guy if darwin's right and so on evolutionary psychology
01:01:24.720
which is the application of evolution to the study of the human mind is much more likely to be rejected
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by people on the left so again many of the discussions here and i'm not exactly sure why are
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always revolving around a political party and class warfare and so on i'm talking about an endemic
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feature and frailty in the architecture of the human mind that makes it role to to be parasitized by
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alluring ideas that are fully decoupled from reality and it's not difficult to demonstrate what
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constitutes a parasitic idea when six foot four john with a nine inch penis becomes elating tomorrow when
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he's called linda that's a parasitic idea it doesn't take much to understand what is the semantic contours of
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that that i look as a person who calls myself a maga lefty i have the distinct pleasure of rejecting both
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evolution and evolutionary it's a possible drawing for the first human picture
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so uh how to define elites in my book um second class i when i where i argue that the class divine of
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america is the most salient feature um i i define working class as somebody who works full-time in
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an industry that does not require skills you would have learned uh in in college and university and
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who's been locked out of the top 20 this is a the of all sociological definitions the one that
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correlated them the most strongly with the downward mobility i was trying to describe and also with how
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people see themselves um in terms of the elites i mean i i like i i totally hear what you're saying but
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if if people are in the top 10 i think we would all agree like they're and especially if that top 10
01:03:17.760
is controlling such a disproportionate share of the gdp at that point that and and that is correlated with
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having one or two degrees we're talking about um a very specific coterie um that that's very i think
01:03:32.000
easy to measure of course you know elon musk the you know richest man on the planet on trump very very
01:03:37.360
wealthy but what i what i found just this is obviously not scientific but from my qualitative
01:03:42.880
analysis of interviewing people working class people very much don't see um billionaires as
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anathema to their interests they often see them as jobs creators and admire them very much and want
01:03:53.520
to be like them so they don't see that as what they do see these kind of like um the people that
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you know the wokes as very much anathema to their interests um as having controlled an unfair share
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of the pie which i think the the research that just that pure economic raw research shows is very much
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true and sees them as constantly looking down on them and sneering at them and while elites look at
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trump and they see he doesn't really care about the working class working class people see him in his
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tie putting on a mcdonald's apron and they feel like he respects what i do like it's that they see
01:04:32.320
him in a in a truck and they say i mean i'm just this is how it's red and i understand that so people
01:04:38.480
who are not in that it doesn't quite make sense people really struggle to understand that but i think
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from a purely like the resentment of the top 10 percent has for the top one percent it far outstrives
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the resentment that working class people seem to have at least in america for billions there's a
01:04:55.680
lot of healthy respect for capitalism okay the last questions at the top are the last things between
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uh now and a coffee break so let's keep really efficient and the answers as well okay my question
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for each of you is what's the right number so botcha what's the right number for integrates that a country
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should allow here between zero and 100 and is there some rationalness uh based on some moral
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principles uh that we could arrive at you get what's the right percentage of tax on your books
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noticed you you complained on that's you putting me in a bad one but let me just say brother i feel your
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pain i'll feel your pain in other words uh you know is there some progress we could make to make
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irrational arguments about political questions like that or is it just whoever's in power gets to
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make those things what's the right number uh it's less than 58 percent and actually 58 percent only
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constitutes the two taxes of the federal and provincial provincial on the 42 percent that are allowed to
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keep then they take 15 sales tax my spend and then property tax and then school tax and
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so on so by the end of the year i'm left at roughly maybe 30 percent of my income 30 so if we put
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that in terms of from january 1st how long do i worry for free for the government until i get my escape
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velocity it's around september so from january to september i animusly and i become slightly free
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starting in september so i don't know what the exact number is but it's a lot less than whatever it is now
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that's why in the current folks who is out of empathy i have a whole section on parasitic taxation
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i think that's why so many brits are moving to dubai