The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - The Curse of Human Irrationality - Is the West Doomed？ (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_916)

00:00:00.420 How is it that a nobody from the assembly in New York, from Uganda, is suddenly going

00:00:04.960 to be the mayor of New York City?

00:00:06.520 Has to be some pretty serious advertising.

00:00:08.420 I'm from New York.

00:00:09.000 I never heard of the guy before a few months ago, the Zoramem Damme. 0.80

00:00:12.100 We're going to talk about this guy and also the effective advertising on the human brain

00:00:16.920 with the guy that I've been waiting a long time to interview, Dr. Gadsad, professor,

00:00:20.740 author, evolutionary behavioral scientist, also scholar at the Declaration of Independence

00:00:24.760 Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi.

00:00:28.080 Doctor, nice to meet you.

00:00:29.040 How are you?

00:00:30.000 I'm doing well.

00:00:30.980 Thank you so much for having me.

00:00:32.360 I think that's the test study, right?

00:00:33.860 The Zoramem Damme guy just became a citizen seven years ago.

00:00:38.760 I never heard of him before.

00:00:39.980 He was in the assembly in New York, which is the House of Representatives in New York,

00:00:43.340 and never voted, voted occasionally when he felt like it.

00:00:46.360 Suddenly, he's going to be the leader of the biggest city in this country.

00:00:49.040 It's not him.

00:00:50.120 It's the advertising, isn't it?

00:00:51.360 It's got to be.

00:00:52.760 I mean, it is the advertising in the sense that, yes, he had a very viral social media

00:00:59.040 campaign, but it's also a reflection of the fact that most people, there's an expression

00:01:04.520 in Arabic, Arabic is my mother tongue.

00:01:06.540 The expression, when translated into English, is getting drunk by smelling the cork of the

00:01:12.600 wine bottle, which basically refers to someone who has a weak constituency, right?

00:01:17.220 They don't need to actually drink the wine to get drunk.

00:01:20.820 They just take a little whiff, and they're already drunk.

00:01:24.140 So how do we apply that to what you're asking?

00:01:26.060 Well, he's young.

00:01:28.240 He has a smile, which, by the way, I've analyzed as being a total fraudulent, sadistic smile,

00:01:34.100 but notwithstanding, most people look at that.

00:01:36.220 He's young.

00:01:36.920 He's energetic.

00:01:38.100 He's a new guard.

00:01:39.460 He smiles.

00:01:40.780 Therefore, he must be good. 0.87

00:01:42.000 Most people are cognitive misers, Joe, meaning that they are intellectually lazy, and so

00:01:47.640 if you design a good viral campaign, most people will say, okay, sign me up.

00:01:53.160 84% of Gen Z women in New York City voted for this guy.

00:01:57.060 You're right.

00:01:57.680 Nice smile.

00:01:58.480 I see some evil there.

00:01:59.660 I'll be honest with you, but I'm not a young woman either.

00:02:02.340 A nice smile.

00:02:03.520 Oh, and look, he's eating rice with his fingers.

00:02:05.560 That, I guess, applies to someone.

00:02:06.760 Oh, he's speaking Arabic.

00:02:07.940 That applies to, oh, he's rapping now.

00:02:09.740 That applies to, oh, he wants to free everybody from Riker.

00:02:11.680 That applies to somebody.

00:02:13.180 So, doctor, is it a matter of just blanketing everybody?

00:02:16.280 Anything you want, anything you need, anything you desire, I'm going to bring it to you.

00:02:19.680 Just vote for me.

00:02:21.060 Exactly.

00:02:21.740 And so let me put it in psychological terms.

00:02:24.660 So you're mentioning advertising.

00:02:27.000 So in psychology of advertising, there is a framework, a theoretical framework known as

00:02:32.500 the elaboration likelihood model.

00:02:34.420 It basically says that when you're trying to convince people, persuade people, there are

00:02:38.860 one of two routes of persuasion that you can invoke.

00:02:42.200 There's what's called the peripheral route and the central route.

00:02:45.500 The peripheral route works for cosmetic use.

00:02:48.580 So for example, if I'm trying to sell you perfume, I don't tell you, here are 18 reasons

00:02:54.600 why physiologists at Harvard have said that this is the best perfume.

00:02:58.900 Rather, I show you a sexy girl on a horse with her hair flowing, and I just call it some

00:03:05.460 exotic name, Mystère.

00:03:07.600 And that will convince you.

00:03:09.040 Because in this case, it's a hedonic product.

00:03:11.120 So I only need to invoke your peripheral processing system.

00:03:16.540 But if I'm trying to convince you to buy my mutual fund, that requires more cognitive

00:03:21.560 effort.

00:03:22.380 In that case, I will invoke your central route of persuasion.

00:03:26.920 I will tell you, here are the eight reasons why you should choose my mutual fund.

00:03:31.540 Regrettably, Joe, even for consequential decisions, most people are a lot more likely to go through

00:03:38.740 the peripheral route of persuasion because it is less effortful, right? 0.97

00:03:42.840 As I said, most people are lazy, are cognitive misers.

00:03:46.400 And so tell me you're going to give me everything for free, even though the accounting doesn't 0.87

00:03:50.840 work.

00:03:51.200 Tell me that you're going to rap in Arabic.

00:03:53.780 Tell me that you've got a cute smile.

00:03:55.720 I'm sold.

00:03:56.620 I'm willing to buy in.

00:03:58.080 And I'll give you a great example of that from Canada, where I originally hail from.

00:04:03.160 You have Justin Trudeau, who's got roughly the intelligence of my socks.

00:04:07.360 He'd never done anything in his entire life, but he's tall.

00:04:12.480 He has beautiful hair.

00:04:13.800 He's young.

00:04:14.460 So let's give him a shot.

00:04:15.720 So in 2015, Canada elected him.

00:04:18.740 Well, then he completely sent Canada into the abyss of infinite darkness.

00:04:23.540 And Canadians said, here's a great idea.

00:04:25.260 Let's elect him a second time.

00:04:26.920 He doubled down on sending us into the abyss of infinite lunacy.

00:04:31.240 And so he said, here's a great idea.

00:04:33.440 Let's elect him a third time.

00:04:36.460 So this is regrettably part of the architecture of the human mind. 0.77

00:04:40.140 That's why we have a degenerate like Mamdani being mayor of New York. 0.92

00:04:44.020 The book is called The Parasitic Mind.

00:04:45.560 That is out now.

00:04:46.120 You've got another book coming up in the spring.

00:04:47.440 Do we want to say the title of that now, too?

00:04:49.380 Let's do it.

00:04:50.440 It's called Suicidal Empathy.

00:04:52.400 And if you want, I can tell you how these two books explain all of the lunacy that your

00:04:57.120 listeners and readers have and viewers have been seeing.

00:05:00.040 You ready?

00:05:00.700 No, well, let's do that in a minute.

00:05:02.340 I want to just, I want to finish on Mamdani.

00:05:04.420 You just called him a degenerate.

00:05:07.220 The guy came here.

00:05:09.360 I guess this is what I want to know from you, because I'm born and raised here.

00:05:12.660 I don't take it for granted, though.

00:05:13.720 A lot of Americans take it for granted.

00:05:15.640 I don't.

00:05:16.100 I worked very hard from 12 years old to be where I am.

00:05:18.880 My children are working very hard to be successes as well.

00:05:21.640 But those who come here from the outside are coming here for a better life.

00:05:25.340 Can you explain to me in my very simple mind?

00:05:27.540 I think I've got more IQ than your socks.

00:05:29.300 Maybe not much.

00:05:29.940 But can you explain to me why somebody would come here from Uganda, a horrible place, and 1.00

00:05:35.440 see the opportunity of New York or see the opportunity of the United States of America,

00:05:39.460 and then decide to try to change it like where you came from?

00:05:42.480 It's the same thing with Ilhan Omar.

00:05:44.320 Why would you want to make it all about Somalia as you're representing a district in Minnesota

00:05:48.400 in a country that welcomed you with open arms?

00:05:51.020 What is that?

00:05:51.800 What do Ilhan Omar and Mamdani have in common? 0.74

00:05:58.180 Well, they're both immigrants from horrible places. 1.00

00:06:01.480 And what's their religion? 0.92

00:06:03.460 Oh, they're both Muslim, yes.

00:06:05.340 Right.

00:06:05.760 So Islam is a conquering religion. 1.00

00:06:09.080 Therefore, please, please let me in, let me in.

00:06:12.800 But once we become mighty, then we show no pity on you, right?

00:06:18.940 So when we are in the minority, we play victim.

00:06:22.040 I just want your freedoms.

00:06:23.720 I just want to be like you.

00:06:25.020 Please, please let me in.

00:06:26.540 Once we exceed that tipping point, then things change.

00:06:29.480 Why is that?

00:06:30.180 Because it is codified in Islam that the entire world will be at peace once it is fully united 0.97

00:06:37.140 under the universal flag of Allah.

00:06:39.740 So these folks are, and of course, it doesn't apply to every Muslim.

00:06:44.040 Of course, there are millions of Muslims that are perfectly lovely.

00:06:46.880 But both the two examples that you gave stem from the reflex that the fact that we come

00:06:52.240 from terrible countries, that's probably because they didn't practice Islam properly there. 1.00

00:06:57.140 Once we come to the United States, inshallah, we'll turn it into the real Islamic nirvana 1.00

00:07:02.700 that we were promised by Allah.

00:07:04.160 So on the other hand, you have other immigrants, some of whom are actually of an Islamic background.

00:07:11.840 Take, for example, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has lived the horrors of what it is to be a woman

00:07:17.280 raised in an Islamic society.

00:07:19.960 And she is the one who is standing on top of the mountain, warning the West that don't

00:07:24.780 take our freedoms for granted, as I am.

00:07:27.180 So you have two types of immigrants.

00:07:28.960 You have the ones that have sampled from the buffet of hellish societies, come to the 1.00

00:07:33.840 West and are perfectly grateful to be here, and therefore defend the freedoms of the West.

00:07:39.200 And you've got the folks like Mamdani that do the exact opposite.

00:07:42.460 Well, I guess what I'm confused about is Mamdani, I understand, he's a man.

00:07:46.300 And in that religion, if you're a man, you get everything.

00:07:49.120 But if you're Ilhan Omar, and you're now worth $30 million, and you came here from Somalia

00:07:53.960 by way of Sudan, you had no rights. 1.00

00:07:55.960 You were treated like dirt, you married your brother to come here to let him come here

00:07:59.200 as an immigrant.

00:08:00.200 How is it that she doesn't see the light?

00:08:02.200 That she's now wealthy, she's now free, she's now liberated, and yet she's still spewing 0.94

00:08:06.760 the biggest hate against Jews, against the American way of life, against capitalism, against

00:08:10.800 Charlie Kirk.

00:08:11.840 How is it that she hasn't been awakened to holy mackerel?

00:08:15.140 This is so much better than where I come from.

00:08:18.240 Hashtag queers for Palestine. 0.93

00:08:20.200 Right, exactly.

00:08:20.960 That explains that hashtag that explains Ilhan. 0.64

00:08:25.100 That's why the parasitic mind was the global success that it was.

00:08:29.360 That's why, inshallah, suicidal empathy will be equally, if not more successful.

00:08:33.840 Because what happens to those folks is that they are parasitized.

00:08:38.420 And here, if you'll forgive me for now entering that territory of my books.

00:08:42.780 No, absolutely.

00:08:43.260 Okay, so the reason, thank you.

00:08:45.680 The reason why I use the neuroparasitological framework, and I know it's a mouthful, so

00:08:50.340 let me explain what it is.

00:08:51.980 Please.

00:08:52.620 If you take the wood cricket, an actual wood cricket, which is an insect that abhors water,

00:08:58.440 it wants nothing to do with water.

00:09:00.740 So evolutionarily speaking, it doesn't want to swim.

00:09:03.980 When it is parasitized by a hair worm that goes into its brain, the hair worm needs the

00:09:11.900 wood cricket to jump into water in order for it to complete its reproductive cycle. 0.90

00:09:17.500 So it hijacks the wood cricket's brain, causing it to merrily and happily commit suicide in

00:09:24.540 the service of the brain worm that has zombified its brain.

00:09:28.260 So I took that mechanism, and I argued that human beings, both their cognitive system and

00:09:34.940 their emotional systems, can be parasitized by ideological brain worms.

00:09:40.000 So that's what's happened to Ilan Omar.

00:09:42.480 She is the wood cricket who merrily jumps into the water, committing suicide, in the service,

00:09:48.840 in this case, of her foundational identity, which is that she is a Muslim. 0.98

00:09:54.780 There you go.

00:09:55.660 Can people, that was amazing.

00:09:56.800 It's Gadsad, by the way, Dr. Gadsad.

00:09:58.780 Go to G-A-D-S-A-A-D.com.

00:10:01.440 Of course, scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom,

00:10:04.680 University of Mississippi, and also professor, author.

00:10:07.360 He's got that great book, The Parasitic Mind. 0.80

00:10:10.260 When we see people who are filled with parasites, can we deworm them?

00:10:15.180 Can we unprogram them?

00:10:16.360 Can we deprogram them?

00:10:17.800 Is that, and I'm guessing we can, so let me jump to the next part of the question.

00:10:21.720 Why does it take so much longer to deprogram them than it takes for them to fall for the

00:10:27.520 flowing hair on the horseback to buy this perfume? 0.88

00:10:30.720 Why is it so much harder?

00:10:32.900 That's a great question.

00:10:34.240 So there are two parts to this question.

00:10:36.640 One is optimistic.

00:10:37.520 The other one is pessimistic.

00:10:39.000 Right.

00:10:39.120 The optimistic part, to your point, is that, yes, most people can be dewormed, and that

00:10:45.400 there are mind vaccines that you could administer to people that can eventually make them see

00:10:50.760 the light.

00:10:51.220 So that's the optimistic angle.

00:10:53.500 Here's the pessimistic part.

00:10:54.760 There's always going to be a group of people that are going to go, la, la, la, la, la.

00:10:59.560 I don't want to hear it.

00:11:00.660 I'm not going to get the mind vaccine administered to me.

00:11:05.000 And so those people, you have to learn to potentially give them up.

00:11:09.740 In other words, my time is very limited. 0.92

00:11:12.720 I'd like to vaccinate everyone against this imbecility, but I have to be able to know whether

00:11:20.000 Joe is prone to being vaccinated or not. 0.97

00:11:23.720 Now, here's another pessimistic part.

00:11:25.880 And again, I'm going to now plug a book that's not mine, and I always joke that I should be

00:11:31.240 getting some of their book royalties a number of times that I have plugged their books.

00:11:35.400 So there's a book by two French psychologists called Hugo Mercier and Dan Sperber.

00:11:40.560 They wrote a book called The Enigma of Reason, where they argued, they're evolutionary psychologists,

00:11:45.960 they argued that our capacity to reason and hence to seek truth did not evolve to seek

00:11:52.960 some objective truth, but rather to win arguments.

00:11:56.620 So you could see how that's pessimistic, right?

00:11:58.520 This is why most people who suffer from TDS, Trump derangement syndrome, it doesn't matter

00:12:04.240 how much evidence I give them that might hopefully get them to at least reduce their TDS, they're

00:12:10.700 going to go, la, la, la, I don't want to hear it because I am on anti-Trump camp and no amount

00:12:16.420 of evidence that you could ever offer me is going to move me one millimeter off my anchored

00:12:21.920 position.

00:12:22.300 As a matter of fact, research shows that for such people, the more evidence that you

00:12:28.460 show them that is contrary to their anchored position, the more they become anchored in

00:12:33.840 their position.

00:12:34.620 So there is both optimistic and pessimistic parts to your question.

00:12:38.540 But how is that not insane?

00:12:40.080 Because if I give you the evidence and spell it out, I mean, that literally sounds like

00:12:43.940 it's insanity, but these people are functioning in the same society as you and me.

00:12:47.180 So how is that, if that's not insanity, what is?

00:12:51.100 Well, this is why the neuroparasithological framework is so powerful, right?

00:12:57.780 Because their brains have been hijacked, right?

00:13:01.140 Your question presupposes that my prefrontal cortex is still working using a set of actions

00:13:09.620 of rational...

00:13:10.720 Yes, I make that assumption, yeah.

00:13:12.900 Exactly.

00:13:13.320 Now, think about it.

00:13:14.700 Remember the surgeon who, by the way, he won the Nobel Prize for this, to the Nobel Prize

00:13:20.280 Committee, great shame.

00:13:21.680 The guy who came up with the lobotomy thought that he was doing a good job, right?

00:13:26.660 Let's drill a hole into your lobe, scramble the whole thing, and hopefully some of your 1.00

00:13:31.280 psychiatric conditions will hopefully subside. 0.99

00:13:34.140 Well, I mean, yes, they subsided, but I've basically metaphorically decapitated you, right?

00:13:39.220 One of the great ways for me to no longer suffer from migraines is to decapitate my head, and

00:13:44.460 then here you go, my migraines have been resolved.

00:13:47.080 So this is why the neuroparasithological analogy is so powerful, because there is no way to make

00:13:54.620 sense of what they're doing.

00:13:55.660 Their brains have been literally hijacked by ideological capture.

00:14:01.020 The Parasitic Mind is the book that's out now.

00:14:03.180 The new book is going to be out in the spring called Suicidal Empathy.

00:14:05.600 It is Dr. Gad Saad.

00:14:08.000 Let me bring up the Palestinian children, if I can.

00:14:10.680 And I had an interview with Alan Dershowitz, and I talked to Dr. Dershowitz, or Professor

00:14:14.880 Dershowitz, about, well, what about the children?

00:14:18.360 When they graduate from elementary school, you and I both know, their graduation ceremony 0.98

00:14:22.480 is killing a Jew. 0.99

00:14:23.860 I mean, that's what it is. 0.99

00:14:24.820 They're raised to hate the people because they're told to hate the people.

00:14:28.720 And once they become, you know, eight years old, nine years old, ten years old can carry

00:14:32.120 a gun, they carry a gun, they throw rocks, they shoot at, they do whatever they 0.98

00:14:35.540 can to kill a Jew. 0.99

00:14:36.900 How do you change that? 0.99

00:14:38.120 Okay, Hamas is going to be out, hopefully. 1.00

00:14:39.860 I think it's going to be out.

00:14:41.060 And maybe Egypt and Jordan and the surrounding areas all go in and make Gaza something great.

00:14:46.680 I think that would be wonderful.

00:14:48.280 But what about the children who grew up knowing that the Jews are the mongrels behind the trees 1.00

00:14:52.080 and behind the rocks and they should die? 1.00

00:14:53.880 And if you kill them, that's a good thing. 1.00

00:14:55.700 Allah will be very happy with you. 0.99

00:14:57.040 How do we change a mindset that, like, I was brought up to believe that the sky is blue.

00:15:02.720 If somebody tried to convince me that it's not blue, it is, by the way, but what if

00:15:06.880 it weren't?

00:15:07.720 I wouldn't really fall for it very easily.

00:15:09.600 How do you tell somebody who was brought up with an inherent enemy that it's not your

00:15:15.220 enemy anymore?

00:15:17.080 Great question.

00:15:18.160 And let me start off by drawing.

00:15:20.740 Analogical reasoning is a very powerful tool to demonstrate certain phenomena to people.

00:15:25.900 So let's draw an analogy.

00:15:27.260 When I teach a consumer psychology course, and at one point in the semester, we talk about

00:15:32.780 the ethics, the legality, and the morality of targeting advertising to children, one of

00:15:38.520 the mechanisms that you use in deciding whether when it should be okay to target children is

00:15:43.540 the following.

00:15:44.560 When children realize that the advertising that's targeting them is trying to persuade

00:15:50.780 them to do something.

00:15:51.940 So at five years old, they don't have the cognitive defenses to be able to understand

00:15:58.140 that, right?

00:15:58.700 But at 12 or 13 years old, they're able to.

00:16:01.220 So now imagine this.

00:16:02.940 We could have a legal, moral, and ethical system that bans the targeting of advertising, selling

00:16:11.440 chewing gum to children.

00:16:12.960 But now I'm going to come to your point.

00:16:14.560 But straight out of the womb to hundreds of millions of children in Islamic societies, the 0.99

00:16:22.500 first thing that I teach them all day long, straight out of the womb, is Jews are evil. 1.00

00:16:29.060 Jews are demonic. 1.00

00:16:30.300 Jews are rats. 1.00

00:16:31.740 Jews try to kill our prophet. 1.00

00:16:34.880 Every single calamity that the world has that you will face in your life is due to the 1.00

00:16:42.180 Jews.

00:16:42.340 This is why, by the way, Joe, I coined the game Six Degrees of Jew on the play of, you've 0.96

00:16:48.200 heard of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon.

00:16:50.340 I've never heard of Six Degrees of Jew.

00:16:52.040 I've never heard of that.

00:16:52.700 It's very interesting.

00:16:54.060 Yeah, that's the game that I coined.

00:16:55.960 So Six Degrees of Jew works as follows. 0.96

00:16:58.540 You ready?

00:16:59.300 I give you a calamity and you have up to six illusory causal steps for you to blame it

00:17:06.900 on the Jews.

00:17:07.440 So for example, let's try it out.

00:17:09.680 An Amazonian frog just died in the Peruvian Amazon. 0.94

00:17:15.300 Blame the Jews. 0.99

00:17:16.260 Go. 0.90

00:17:16.700 And so the point of the game is that you've got up to six links to always converge on

00:17:22.660 it being the Jew. 0.87

00:17:23.580 So to your point, you're exactly right that the Israel-Palestine conflict has zero to do,

00:17:31.100 not one percent, zero to do with land.

00:17:34.180 What it has to do is with the fact that Jews exist on that land is an existential affront 1.00

00:17:42.800 to the foundational canonical tenets of Islam. 0.58

00:17:47.300 Muhammad on his deathbed said, promise me that you will rid Arabia of certainly Christians, 1.00

00:17:53.980 but please, please promise me, of the Jews. 0.94

00:17:58.640 So there's those children who have absolutely no means of erecting cognitive defenses against

00:18:05.600 the hate that they're taught will eventually, guess what? 0.69

00:18:08.540 Hate the Jews. 0.95

00:18:09.700 By the way, for your listeners who don't know this, I grew up in Lebanon. 0.99

00:18:14.020 Arabic is my mother tongue.

00:18:15.540 So it's not as though I don't have the experience.

00:18:19.320 It's not as though I haven't spoken to people in Arabic.

00:18:22.260 I mean, literally, you could say to someone, hi, Ahmad, how are you doing? 1.00

00:18:26.400 Within two or three salutations, we will converge on goddamn Jews. 1.00

00:18:31.260 Let's kill them. 1.00

00:18:32.320 Wow. 1.00

00:18:32.560 If you eradicate that, and again, of course, it doesn't mean that every Muslim hates Jews.

00:18:38.060 And of course, I've known millions of Muslims that have been perfectly lovely and kind and

00:18:42.440 who are my friends.

00:18:43.060 But does Islam promote coexistence with the Jews?

00:18:46.940 Absolutely not.

00:18:48.060 It is.

00:18:48.780 It's very interesting because I don't want them to die.

00:18:51.060 Obviously, I want the children to grow up and have great lives.

00:18:53.340 But if you're born into that, what is the process psychologically of saying, okay, I know

00:18:59.920 you believe it, but I'm going to tell you some stuff that maybe is going to make you

00:19:03.220 unbelieve it.

00:19:04.000 Again, when you're brought up to think they are the enemy, the inherent enemy of your life,

00:19:08.880 your family, your God, your everything, how do you undo that?

00:19:12.680 Because again, you keep saying it.

00:19:14.220 It's not just a disclaimer.

00:19:16.580 I've got very good friends that are Muslim that wouldn't hurt a fly. 0.88

00:19:19.840 I've got people that are family members that have converted.

00:19:22.600 I'm Christian.

00:19:23.560 They decided that Islam was for them. 0.96

00:19:25.440 Don't know why.

00:19:26.100 Don't care.

00:19:26.920 But I love them.

00:19:27.960 And I don't think they'd kill me either.

00:19:30.040 But they're not raising children in what would be Palestine.

00:19:33.280 They're not raising children in the Gaza Strip that really believe that their existential

00:19:38.120 threat on this planet is the people that live over there. 1.00

00:19:41.500 Can you undo that?

00:19:44.160 I mean, there are several ways that you could try to do it.

00:19:47.500 Although, again, I'm quite pessimistic about the likelihood of this happening.

00:19:50.760 So if we want to couch the solution within the canons of Islam, the only way that it could 1.00

00:19:58.940 be done is as follows.

00:20:00.100 And again, I don't think that this is possible.

00:20:01.820 Let me step back to give you a bit of an explanation of the doctrines of Islam.

00:20:06.840 In Islam, you have what's called the Meccan period and the Medinan period.

00:20:11.660 Muhammad started his proselytizing in Mecca. 0.83

00:20:15.540 And then after many years with very few adherents, he moved to Medina.

00:20:19.980 Now, in the Meccan period, when he had very, very few followers, his message was actually

00:20:25.060 quite tolerant and peaceful.

00:20:27.040 You have your religion.

00:20:28.160 I have mine.

00:20:28.780 When he moved to Medina and his message, his marketing changed for it to become a lot

00:20:34.720 more violent, then a lot more people said, yeah, sign me up.

00:20:38.320 We can go get the hot Jewish girls. 1.00

00:20:40.560 Sign me up for this little adventure, right?

00:20:43.180 And so how could it be that God in one part of the Quran says, you know, tolerant things

00:20:49.660 and then later parts, he says intolerant things.

00:20:53.080 These two things contradict each other.

00:20:54.920 This is where you have the Islamic concept of abrogation.

00:20:58.220 Abrogation means that when you have two statements that are perfectly contradictory, the later

00:21:04.040 statement abrogates the earlier one because God in his infinite wisdom has the right to

00:21:09.720 change his mind, right?

00:21:11.160 So what you would need, if I'm going to couch the solution in a canonical answer, you would

00:21:18.180 need to magically find a magic wand that now using a blanket statement abrogates all of

00:21:26.460 the violent passages that says, yeah, yeah, there used to be a period where killed the

00:21:30.640 Jew and killed the Kuffar and killed the infidel made sense. 1.00

00:21:34.040 Now we've abrogated all this. 0.97

00:21:35.740 And this has to be internalized within the doctrines of the religion for you to even have

00:21:41.100 a shot at changing it.

00:21:42.560 Now here's the problem, and this is why it's very pessimistic.

00:21:46.120 Islam states from the get-go that it is the final, perfect, inerrant word of God. 0.97

00:21:52.740 Every letter is the perfect word of God.

00:21:57.040 Therefore, unlike other Abrahamic religions that have had the magic wand of reformation to 1.00

00:22:04.680 alter them, Islam is not as prone to reformation precisely for those reasons.

00:22:09.220 It's not as though in the 1400 years of Islam's history, even people within its own faith have

00:22:16.680 not tried to reform it, but they've always miserably failed because it doesn't tolerate

00:22:21.200 reformation.

00:22:22.060 So that's why it might be an intractable problem.

00:22:25.600 And this is why I tell people that demography is destiny.

00:22:30.480 Beware of the type of immigration program that you have in the West because it will, down 1.00

00:22:36.520 the line, harm you.

00:22:37.840 The book is called The Parasitic Mind.

00:22:39.740 Also get the new book coming out in the spring.

00:22:41.480 It is called Suicidal Empathy.

00:22:42.900 It's Dr. Gadsad.

00:22:43.960 Go to G-A-D-S-A-A-D dot com.

00:22:46.620 I'm glad you brought up the rules or law of abrogation because I always believed that in 1.00

00:22:50.980 Islam it was peaceful first and then abrogated to being very violent. 0.99

00:22:54.740 And then the Hadith comes in and Takiyah comes in and all this other stuff. 0.56

00:22:58.440 I thought it was the other way around.

00:23:00.140 Are you saying that it started out violent, then it abrogated to being more peaceful?

00:23:04.740 No.

00:23:04.960 It is what I thought.

00:23:06.480 It started in the Meccan period.

00:23:08.580 It started out peaceful.

00:23:09.800 You have your religion.

00:23:10.800 I have mine.

00:23:11.660 Right.

00:23:12.120 Let's all hug it out.

00:23:13.440 Later in the Medina period, it became more violent.

00:23:15.820 So you're exactly right.

00:23:16.980 So the peaceful Muslims that I know, and I know somebody right from Egypt.

00:23:20.700 I think she's great.

00:23:21.580 Um, she is a Muslim and she follows, I believe the early Islam.

00:23:26.800 Is that what people are doing when they are peaceful, when they don't want to overtake 0.98

00:23:30.240 everything?

00:23:30.840 Those who are your religion is yours and my religion is mine.

00:23:33.800 I mean, she really appears to believe that.

00:23:36.360 No, they're basically decent people, right?

00:23:39.460 We're all born through the random combination of the genes of our parents.

00:23:44.520 We are born all short, green eyes, brown eyes, uh, hardworking, lazy, right?

00:23:50.880 There is inherent heterogeneity in individual differences, right? 0.99

00:23:55.820 So just like there are tons of really nice Jews and tons of really nasty Jews, that holds 1.00

00:24:02.180 true for any group, correct? 0.93

00:24:04.040 So the, the friend of yours is born a decent person, lives her life with dignity and, and

00:24:11.160 peace, despite the teachings of her religion.

00:24:14.560 Let me draw another analogy for you.

00:24:16.820 Okay.

00:24:16.980 I am very much wedded to my Jewish identity.

00:24:19.980 I'm not particularly religious.

00:24:21.640 And part of not being religious is that when I go to a Chinese restaurant, I do eat calamar

00:24:29.100 and I do eat shrimps, despite the fact that kosher laws forbid the eating of that.

00:24:35.380 I'm not practicing a gentle form of Judaism. 0.81

00:24:39.340 There's only Judaism. 1.00

00:24:41.140 I choose to, in a classic buffet cafeteria style, I choose those parts that I wish to adhere

00:24:48.800 to, and I don't pay attention to the parts that I don't.

00:24:51.980 And pretty much every person on earth does exactly that, except the really, what we call

00:24:58.200 extremist, extremist Muslims who are the ones who are being most faithful to their religion.

00:25:03.580 But you and I would agree, doctor, that all Italians are good, right? 0.94

00:25:07.540 All Italians are good, but here's the problem. 0.99

00:25:09.660 Are you ready?

00:25:10.720 All Italians are wannabe Lebanese. 1.00

00:25:13.300 So you got that right.

00:25:14.020 Oh, I did not realize that.

00:25:15.780 That's an education I got today.

00:25:17.440 And we won't mention the crime families in New York about Italians.

00:25:20.500 It's Dr. Gad Sud.

00:25:22.100 You mentioned demography.

00:25:24.860 And I think that's really, really interesting because there is a push in this country to

00:25:28.680 change our demography.

00:25:30.740 Like that somehow makes us better, more peaceful, more accepting, more tolerant, more DEI.

00:25:35.780 And obviously, when you divide and conquer, you're literally dividing and conquering.

00:25:39.820 Obama was the king of this.

00:25:41.280 And then on steroids, Biden administration did it. 0.99

00:25:43.380 It wasn't Biden, probably Obama in his third term.

00:25:45.420 But they did everything they could to divide this country.

00:25:47.960 It's worked in very, very blue cities.

00:25:49.800 It's worked even here in Texas, where I live, where all the big cities are now very blue.

00:25:54.160 And we see videos of people, white women and men getting on their hands and knees and kissing

00:25:58.840 the boots of black people somehow to make up for this, I guess, born guilt we should have 1.00

00:26:05.180 about slavery from 400 years ago.

00:26:07.240 What do you make of all that?

00:26:08.400 If we allow this country to be divided like that, the country will no longer exist.

00:26:11.840 It'll be whatever the far left or Soros or whoever wants it to be.

00:26:15.180 They're doing it through demography, right?

00:26:17.940 Indeed.

00:26:18.460 So there are two words that explain this.

00:26:20.620 It happens to be the title of my next book, Suicidal Empathy.

00:26:24.400 It explains every single malady at the domestic and foreign level that has gripped the West 1.00

00:26:31.920 into a death spiral stems from this dysregulated form of empathy.

00:26:37.400 And let me step back and explain the theoretical framework, okay?

00:26:41.720 Empathy, when properly modulated, is a perfectly adaptive virtue to possess.

00:26:49.460 We expect a social species like human beings to have empathy.

00:26:54.140 For you and I to have a meaningful conversation, I need to put myself in your mind to kind of

00:27:00.440 get a sense of what you expect from me, what you might know or not know.

00:27:04.460 And this is, by the way, called theory of mind.

00:27:06.700 One of the ways that we can identify autistic children, well, the main way by which we can

00:27:12.860 identify children as being autistic, is we give them a theory of mind test, which they

00:27:18.040 invariably fail.

00:27:19.580 There is no blood test to check for autism.

00:27:22.080 So empathy is an indelible part of our human nature.

00:27:26.100 So no one is arguing that empathy is a bad thing.

00:27:29.380 It makes us human to be empathetic.

00:27:31.360 But like so many psychiatric disorders, the problem arises when that otherwise adaptive

00:27:38.120 mechanism becomes maladaptive.

00:27:41.320 It misfires, right?

00:27:42.460 So let me give you an example, and then I'll come back to empathy.

00:27:45.200 Please.

00:27:45.500 OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder, is a psychiatric condition that's very debilitating.

00:27:51.580 But it originates from an adaptive process.

00:27:55.000 So for example, if I had the pleasure of meeting you one day in person, and a few came up to

00:28:00.840 me, and I noticed that immediately before you were to shake my hand, I noticed that you

00:28:05.240 sneezed a few times into your hand, and I shake your hand, I say to myself, oops, this looks

00:28:10.640 like Joe has a bad cold.

00:28:13.000 Let me go quietly to the bathroom and wash my hands, because I don't want to pick up his

00:28:17.040 cold.

00:28:17.240 Therefore, scanning the environment for potential threats makes perfect evolutionary sense.

00:28:24.160 The problem arises when that adaptive mechanism hyperfires.

00:28:29.140 Now, if I spent eight hours a day washing my hands and scalding hot water so that my skin

00:28:35.800 is falling off and I can't get to work because I'm stuck in the bathroom washing my hands, I

00:28:40.840 now suffer from germ contamination fear, a form of OCD, and it misfires.

00:28:46.340 So what started off adaptive became maladaptive.

00:28:49.900 The exact same thing happens with empathy.

00:28:52.560 Good empathy, adaptive empathy is great.

00:28:55.780 Maladaptive empathy is where we say all immigrants are equally likely to assimilate because I'm not 0.94

00:29:03.140 a bigot and a racist. 0.79

00:29:04.720 So for me to say that people from Yemen are less likely to assimilate than people from Denmark 0.99

00:29:10.100 seems icky, seems gauche.

00:29:12.520 Therefore, better for me to be an empathetic ostrich and pretend that those realities don't

00:29:18.800 exist because I could admire myself in the reflection of the mirror and show that I am

00:29:24.840 a moral preening person, right?

00:29:27.400 And so suicidal empathy explains the judicial system. 0.97

00:29:31.860 It's not fair to put this lovely black guy in prison for life.

00:29:36.260 He's only committed 182 previous felonies.

00:29:39.580 Don't you think he's deserving of a second chance?

00:29:43.560 And by second chance, I mean 183rd chance.

00:29:47.200 Don't you think that in the white supremacist society that we live in, he's a victim?

00:29:52.260 So if he is now becoming a felon, it's due to what happened 300 years ago somewhere in

00:29:58.720 the southern United States.

00:30:00.800 So shouldn't you then not double punish him by putting him in prison? 1.00

00:30:05.060 Shouldn't you be more empathetic asshole? 1.00

00:30:07.800 And so you take both all domestic policies and all foreign policies, create a lobotomy 0.99

00:30:14.840 to your empathy system, and you end up where we are.

00:30:17.940 Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

00:30:19.220 I just love what you just said because when you're talking about Sweden, I thought of the

00:30:22.580 video out of Finland.

00:30:23.960 There was somebody who I believe was an immigrant from Yemen or Somalia standing in front of a

00:30:29.260 camera in Finland saying the problem with Finland is there are too many Finnish people

00:30:33.260 here.

00:30:34.000 I mean, literally, that's what she said, and she meant it.

00:30:37.360 And the people in Finland are going, we have to accept them all.

00:30:39.740 They're exactly like us.

00:30:40.820 It doesn't matter where they're from.

00:30:42.000 They're just going to assimilate, and they don't. 0.99

00:30:43.900 That's why you see an 83% increase in sex crimes in the Nordic countries.

00:30:48.800 When it comes to our judicial system here, I'm so glad.

00:30:50.980 And it's Dr. Gadsod.

00:30:51.880 Go to gadsod.com.

00:30:53.320 Go get his book called The Parasitic Mind.

00:30:54.700 The new book comes out in the spring called Suicidal Empathy.

00:30:58.260 What jumped out at me is cashless bail.

00:31:00.900 Well, he didn't have a father.

00:31:01.740 What about slavery?

00:31:02.660 What about white supremacy?

00:31:03.700 What about institutional slavery or racism, whatever it happens to be?

00:31:09.380 We'll give 18 different excuses for why the guy shouldn't have to put up some money for

00:31:12.740 bail before he gets out.

00:31:14.140 Then he gets out and does it again.

00:31:16.080 And then they ask, well, why did he do it again?

00:31:17.500 That's so weird.

00:31:18.600 Deterrence really do work.

00:31:20.240 And if we really are going to have a blind justice system, we have to stop considering

00:31:23.800 even 100 years ago.

00:31:26.320 Don't we?

00:31:26.760 We should just consider this guy did this thing, should face this punishment.

00:31:30.960 If we get back to that, we'll be better, won't we?

00:31:34.000 Of course.

00:31:34.940 This is all about internal versus external locus of control.

00:31:39.380 So there's a psychologist in the 60s who developed this brilliant dichotomy in understanding

00:31:46.040 how we attribute causality to our lives.

00:31:49.140 An internal locus of control basically says that things happen to me because of my internal

00:31:54.640 attribution.

00:31:55.220 So I did well on the exam because I'm smart or because I studied.

00:31:59.200 External locus of control would be things happen to me because of fate, because of God,

00:32:05.220 because of white supremacy, right?

00:32:07.500 Right.

00:32:07.740 Now, here's the reality.

00:32:09.100 Most people have the following attributional style.

00:32:12.200 They attribute successes internally and they attribute failures externally.

00:32:16.540 So I did well on the exam because I'm very smart. 1.00

00:32:20.180 I did very poorly on the exam because Professor Saad is a mean Jewish asshole. 1.00

00:32:25.380 So, and that basically protects my ego, right? 0.99

00:32:29.360 Because if all successes are due to me and all failures are due to the outside world, then

00:32:34.660 that's great.

00:32:35.300 Then I can walk tall and proud.

00:32:37.300 And this is what happens with the progressives.

00:32:39.760 They attribute all the failures of noble people of color and noble Muslims and so on, all of

00:32:47.240 their failures.

00:32:48.800 They no longer have personal agency, those people.

00:32:52.080 Everything that they do that's bad stems from external forces.

00:32:56.740 And who's to blame for those external forces? 0.98

00:32:59.120 It's the racist, transphobic, Islamophobic, slavery-inducing society of the United States.

00:33:05.460 So surely we have to break the link between cause and effect and not put them in prison. 0.97

00:33:11.120 That's why it's parasitic.

00:33:12.980 That's why it is suicidal empathy.

00:33:15.080 Because, I mean, Isaac Newton explained to us, for every action, there's a reaction, right?

00:33:19.860 The most fundamental law of nature is a cause and effect relationship.

00:33:24.000 Once we break that, then we are completely nihilistic, right?

00:33:28.280 I mean, how many times do you have to, I mean, imagine if you're a cop, you spend your

00:33:33.860 days, taking chances with your life to arrest someone, 15 seconds after they're arrested,

00:33:40.900 they're let out on the street, cashless bail, and we'll do that for 183 times.

00:33:47.780 Who wants to sign up to be a cop under those circumstances?

00:33:50.740 Not me.

00:33:51.480 Well, I couldn't agree more.

00:33:52.300 It's Dr. Gad Saad.

00:33:53.180 But, you know, you bring up more questions.

00:33:54.360 So thanks for all the time today.

00:33:55.720 Hey, make sure you go get his book called The Parasitic Mind.

00:33:57.580 Go to his website, gadsaad.com.

00:33:59.220 Now, when I watch, if you had a group of people that you were giving a seminar to, and you

00:34:04.800 said to that group of people, it could be a thousand people, who in here wants more crime?

00:34:08.860 Nobody raised their hands.

00:34:10.060 Who in here wants less crime?

00:34:11.340 They'd all raise their hands.

00:34:12.420 It doesn't matter what their background is.

00:34:13.680 It doesn't matter what their thoughts are or their overwhelming or underwhelming empathy

00:34:16.860 happens to be.

00:34:17.700 We all want less crime.

00:34:19.480 Doctor, why do they elect Alvin Bragg?

00:34:21.340 They know that means more crime and more people out.

00:34:23.200 Why do they elect Zoran Mamdani when they know he wants to free everybody from Rikers?

00:34:27.780 They all want less crime.

00:34:29.040 I think you would agree that nobody would say, I'd like a little more crime.

00:34:31.640 Nobody's going to say that.

00:34:32.720 So why can't they balance the two and realize this action is causing this reaction?

00:34:38.520 Because in the hierarchy of needs, if you are a rational human being that's not parasitized,

00:34:45.000 both by parasitic ideas and by societal empathy, your position is correct, right?

00:34:50.680 Every person should want less crime, more than more crime.

00:34:54.300 But if it means that my being an ally to a person of color will result in more crime, 0.98

00:35:04.060 so be it.

00:35:04.740 So I'll give you a couple of examples of that.

00:35:07.220 Of course, Queers for Palestine is exactly that, right? 0.91

00:35:09.980 Because if my identity is defined by my queerness, more power to you. 0.61

00:35:16.280 Be as queer as you want to be. 1.00

00:35:17.940 Let's celebrate you.

00:35:19.380 But on the other hand, if that is your fundamental identity marker, then should you be celebrating

00:35:25.940 Tel Aviv, which is one of the most queer-friendly societies in the world?

00:35:29.480 I mean, short of Montreal, short of San Francisco, short of New York, you'd be hard-pressed to

00:35:35.340 find a city that is more queer-friendly than Tel Aviv, or should you put all of your eggs 1.00

00:35:41.060 behind the falling basket in Gaza, where they have found an incredibly effective 100% gravity-based

00:35:50.380 conversion therapy program.

00:35:52.000 We take you to the highest building, and we launch you off so that your head splatters

00:35:58.660 when you fall down, which is, by the way, an Islamic edict.

00:36:01.640 So, not surprisingly, many of the people who have blue hair and get their degrees at Oberlin

00:36:07.860 College will end up saying, hashtag Queers for Palestine.

00:36:11.560 Why is that?

00:36:12.620 Because it is more important for me to exhibit suicidal empathy as the ultimate signal of my

00:36:21.180 virtue than to actually survive.

00:36:24.040 That is why it is suicidal empathy.

00:36:26.520 100% conversion therapy, positivity, it works every single time, throwing them off the building.

00:36:32.860 So, let me take it to the next step.

00:36:35.040 Nobody but nobody who's ever said they're an ally of anybody has ever been free of the

00:36:38.920 crime from those people they're allied with.

00:36:40.860 Period.

00:36:41.460 End of story. 1.00

00:36:42.120 You can say, I am 100% an ally, and I'm kissing the toes of this black person in the town square. 1.00

00:36:48.800 They're not now protected from being hijacked or carjacked somewhere in D.C. 0.97

00:36:53.680 They're not.

00:36:54.580 Do they think they're getting a benefit or a payoff?

00:36:57.400 Like, I remember the people in Philadelphia.

00:36:59.460 I think it was Philadelphia.

00:37:00.520 Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:37:01.580 You might not know.

00:37:02.640 But some guy has a Black Lives Matter flag outside of his house, and there are people

00:37:06.840 outside rioting who are busting into his house and stealing his stuff.

00:37:10.040 And he goes, no, no, no, I'm on your side.

00:37:11.840 What are you doing?

00:37:12.580 I've got the Black Lives Matter flag.

00:37:14.540 I mean, you see what I mean?

00:37:16.480 The ally is not getting what the ally thinks they're getting by being allies.

00:37:21.540 Exactly.

00:37:22.260 So this is a form of selling indulgences, right?

00:37:25.820 You remember in the Catholic—well, this led, by the way, to the Reformation of Martin

00:37:30.960 Luther, right?

00:37:31.680 Right.

00:37:32.000 Selling indulgences basically said, look, if you give me this amount of money, then you

00:37:36.120 are buying your potential right to heaven and so on.

00:37:39.960 You're selling indulgences.

00:37:41.200 So when I put that proud hashtag BLM flag up, I am selling indulgences that hopefully 1.00

00:37:48.500 say, look, let me into your crowd.

00:37:51.260 Don't vandalize my home.

00:37:52.500 But by the way, Joe, I have much more shocking examples than your hashtag Black BLM.

00:37:59.380 There's a woman in 2010, I believe.

00:38:01.760 She is fully quoted and cited in my forthcoming book.

00:38:04.400 She's a white woman, very progressive woman, who has dedicated her life to demonstrating 0.82

00:38:09.520 that it is disgusting how the white supremacist world has created an archetype of violent Black

00:38:18.260 men, because Black men inherently are all incredibly peaceful and kind. 0.97

00:38:23.720 Now, she had gone to Haiti to stand arm in arm with her Black men brothers, and it turns 0.98

00:38:30.540 out that one of them took her up to a rooftop and raped her violently all night. 0.98

00:38:36.600 And as he was raping her, she begged him and said, why are you doing this when I'm your 0.98

00:38:42.480 ally? 0.97

00:38:43.080 Do you not realize that I am a Black Malcolm X scholar? 0.99

00:38:47.860 Can you believe it, Joe, that he kept raping her after she told him that she's a Malcolm 0.98

00:38:53.480 X ally? 0.96

00:38:55.020 So when you have someone that is this parasitized, how can you move forward, right? 0.94

00:39:00.040 So it's not just about putting hashtag BLM. 0.92

00:39:02.680 This woman thought that a Black man would not rape her once she shared the fact that he's 1.00

00:39:10.060 a Malcolm X scholar. 0.95

00:39:12.120 Here's one more quick example.

00:39:13.980 Please.

00:39:14.240 Norwegian man, indigenous Norwegian, meaning a white Norwegian guy, was sodomized in 2013

00:39:23.380 by a Somali immigrant, okay?

00:39:26.720 After the sodomizer served a very small sentence, maybe three years or something, because the

00:39:33.960 Norwegians are much kinder.

00:39:35.780 They don't believe in punishing people.

00:39:37.980 Why don't we give him opportunities to self-actualize as per Maslow's hierarchy of needs?

00:39:43.700 So after he served a very, very small, you know, prison sentence, he was going to be

00:39:49.440 deported.

00:39:50.500 The guy who was sodomized by the Somali guy came out and said that he felt horrible.

00:39:58.400 He was wracked with existential angst.

00:40:02.260 Why?

00:40:02.920 Because if that poor noble Somali immigrant is sent to Mogadishu, he will not be able to 0.70

00:40:10.180 maximally flourish to his full potential.

00:40:13.400 Well, I'm here to tell you as a evolutionary psychologist that our emotional system did

00:40:21.020 not evolve to empathize with our sodomizers. 0.73

00:40:25.440 Without a doubt. 0.93

00:40:26.320 I mean, that's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. 0.93

00:40:28.280 I mean, the Haiti story was pretty gross too. 0.52

00:40:30.760 But the fact that the guy wanted him to have more opportunities to stay there and possibly

00:40:34.100 sodomized some more dudes makes me crazy because that guy can't be fixed.

00:40:37.960 It reminds me of a story, and I don't know the names involved, but there was a suicide,

00:40:41.780 attempted suicide bomber who was a female that the suicide bomb didn't go off or it didn't

00:40:46.140 do what it was supposed to do.

00:40:47.240 And she was caught in Israel.

00:40:49.400 She was injured in the attempted bombing.

00:40:51.660 And again, I don't know the specifics of it other than they brought her back.

00:40:55.200 They saved her life.

00:40:56.440 They gave her a future.

00:40:58.200 And you would figure that she would be very, very happy with them.

00:41:01.160 And when interviewed, she said, my only regret is that the suicide bomb didn't work, that 0.97

00:41:06.080 it didn't kill a bunch of Jews.

00:41:07.500 And that, to me, shows a, I'm a glass half full guy.

00:41:12.060 Doc, I am.

00:41:12.740 That shows me the glass is half empty.

00:41:14.480 Because I don't know how you fix people like that Norwegian guy. 1.00

00:41:17.080 I don't know how you fix people like that woman who's in the middle of being raped, thought

00:41:20.280 that her ally or alliness, whatever it was, or allegiance, somehow would benefit her

00:41:25.360 when it didn't.

00:41:25.920 And this woman who only has life because the best doctors in Israel saved her life, wishes 0.99

00:41:31.640 she could have killed them. 0.99

00:41:33.200 So last question, and thank you for all the time.

00:41:35.660 This is an amazing interview.

00:41:36.900 I hope you'll come back again.

00:41:38.220 Last question has to be, can they be fixed?

00:41:41.140 Please say yes.

00:41:43.420 And they is who?

00:41:45.040 Who's they?

00:41:45.920 Well, they are the ones who are in this suicidal empathy, you know, sensibility that they can't,

00:41:51.600 they will die before giving up their allegiance.

00:41:54.540 They can, but as I said, the question is, to those who cannot be saved, could they be sufficiently

00:42:03.200 restrained that the rest of us don't bear a huge cost?

00:42:06.520 So let me end it on a positive note, on an optimistic note, okay?

00:42:10.200 I had a friend, a Jewish friend, who in 2000, and I actually discussed this case in the

00:42:16.460 parasitic mind, who in 2010 reached out to me and said, hey God, I know that you're, you

00:42:21.860 know, you're from the Middle East, Arabic is your mother tongue, you understand Islam really

00:42:25.560 well.

00:42:26.780 Could you tell me whether Islam preaches violence or peace towards the Jews?

00:42:32.460 Because I'm friends with this PhD student in Islamic studies, and she's perfectly peaceful

00:42:37.380 and kind, and she would never hurt a fly, all the stuff that we've talked about earlier,

00:42:41.440 Joe.

00:42:41.600 Yes.

00:42:41.940 And so what I did is I took a montage, an amalgamation of a bunch of clips.

00:42:47.300 It was about 22 minutes long.

00:42:49.020 That was of a whole bunch of different imams spanning the globe, and what were the things

00:42:55.760 that they were saying about the Jews, okay?

00:42:58.480 And that montage is so extreme that if Hitler were listening to it, he would say the following, 1.00

00:43:08.280 hey guys, look, I'm Hitler, so believe me, I hate the Jews and I want to kill them all. 1.00

00:43:12.960 But can you tone down the anti-Semitism? 1.00

00:43:15.260 It seems like it's a bit too high.

00:43:17.040 Come on.

00:43:17.420 So now I shared this clip with her without any editorializing.

00:43:22.520 So I didn't say, I didn't give my position.

00:43:25.300 I said, here is hopefully something that could answer for you.

00:43:28.560 Now these are Islamic scholars.

00:43:30.420 These are imams. 0.99

00:43:31.620 So certainly they understand what Islam is and what it says about the Jews.

00:43:36.840 You know what her response was, Joe?

00:43:38.880 But don't worry, I will end it on a positive note.

00:43:41.080 You know what her original response was?

00:43:42.740 It hurts me to see that you are no different in your extremism than they are.

00:43:48.880 So my sharing a clip of them wanting to genocide every single Jew on earth was equally extremist as them wanting to genocide me. 0.87

00:43:58.980 Okay.

00:43:59.460 Now it took her 14 years.

00:44:01.900 But in 2024, I received an email from her out of the blue saying, dear God, you know, it's been many years since we last spoken.

00:44:15.140 And I just wanted to apologize for how I reacted to you 14 years ago.

00:44:21.740 Boy, were you right.

00:44:23.020 And boy, do I see it.

00:44:24.320 Now, why is this?

00:44:25.280 Why is this an optimistic end to our conversation?

00:44:28.100 Because it did take her 14 years, and the world might end before 14 years. 1.00

00:44:33.500 But what I'm saying is even the most degenerate imbeciles can come around. 0.99

00:44:38.860 The question is whether we can afford the time that is needed for them to come around. 1.00

00:44:43.520 But yes, we can flip people.

00:44:45.980 Listen, I love this conversation.

00:44:47.320 I hope that you'll come back again.

00:44:48.280 It's Dr. Goetz, professor, author, and evolutionary behavioral scientist.

00:44:51.800 He's also a scholar of the Declaration of Independence Center for Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi, Ole Miss.

00:44:59.380 Gadsad.com.

00:45:00.180 Go there.

00:45:00.660 Get his book right now called The Parasitic Mind.

00:45:02.560 The new one is coming out in the spring.

00:45:04.620 Suicidal Empathy.

00:45:05.520 Thank you so much for all this time.

00:45:06.880 And what a great conversation.

00:45:08.220 Thank you.

00:45:09.200 Thank you, sir.

00:45:09.960 Cheers.

00:45:10.240 All right, my man.

00:45:11.200 Another episode of Unshaken and Unafraid with Joe Pax to come soon.

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