The Curse of Human Irrationality - Is the West Doomed？ (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_916)
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How is it that a nobody from the assembly in New York, from Uganda, suddenly becomes the mayor of New York City? Has it been some pretty serious advertising? In this episode, Dr. Noam Gadsad, an evolutionary behavioral scientist and scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi, joins me to talk about it.
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How is it that a nobody from the assembly in New York, from Uganda, is suddenly going
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I never heard of the guy before a few months ago, the Zoramem Damme.
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We're going to talk about this guy and also the effective advertising on the human brain
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with the guy that I've been waiting a long time to interview, Dr. Gadsad, professor,
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author, evolutionary behavioral scientist, also scholar at the Declaration of Independence
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Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi.
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The Zoramem Damme guy just became a citizen seven years ago.
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He was in the assembly in New York, which is the House of Representatives in New York,
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and never voted, voted occasionally when he felt like it.
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Suddenly, he's going to be the leader of the biggest city in this country.
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I mean, it is the advertising in the sense that, yes, he had a very viral social media
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campaign, but it's also a reflection of the fact that most people, there's an expression
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The expression, when translated into English, is getting drunk by smelling the cork of the
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wine bottle, which basically refers to someone who has a weak constituency, right?
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They don't need to actually drink the wine to get drunk.
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They just take a little whiff, and they're already drunk.
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He has a smile, which, by the way, I've analyzed as being a total fraudulent, sadistic smile,
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Most people are cognitive misers, Joe, meaning that they are intellectually lazy, and so
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if you design a good viral campaign, most people will say, okay, sign me up.
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84% of Gen Z women in New York City voted for this guy.
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I'll be honest with you, but I'm not a young woman either.
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Oh, and look, he's eating rice with his fingers.
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That applies to, oh, he wants to free everybody from Riker.
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So, doctor, is it a matter of just blanketing everybody?
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Anything you want, anything you need, anything you desire, I'm going to bring it to you.
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So in psychology of advertising, there is a framework, a theoretical framework known as
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It basically says that when you're trying to convince people, persuade people, there are
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one of two routes of persuasion that you can invoke.
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There's what's called the peripheral route and the central route.
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So for example, if I'm trying to sell you perfume, I don't tell you, here are 18 reasons
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why physiologists at Harvard have said that this is the best perfume.
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Rather, I show you a sexy girl on a horse with her hair flowing, and I just call it some
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So I only need to invoke your peripheral processing system.
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But if I'm trying to convince you to buy my mutual fund, that requires more cognitive
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In that case, I will invoke your central route of persuasion.
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I will tell you, here are the eight reasons why you should choose my mutual fund.
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Regrettably, Joe, even for consequential decisions, most people are a lot more likely to go through
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the peripheral route of persuasion because it is less effortful, right?
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As I said, most people are lazy, are cognitive misers.
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And so tell me you're going to give me everything for free, even though the accounting doesn't
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And I'll give you a great example of that from Canada, where I originally hail from.
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You have Justin Trudeau, who's got roughly the intelligence of my socks.
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He'd never done anything in his entire life, but he's tall.
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Well, then he completely sent Canada into the abyss of infinite darkness.
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He doubled down on sending us into the abyss of infinite lunacy.
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So this is regrettably part of the architecture of the human mind.
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That's why we have a degenerate like Mamdani being mayor of New York.
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You've got another book coming up in the spring.
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And if you want, I can tell you how these two books explain all of the lunacy that your
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listeners and readers have and viewers have been seeing.
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I guess this is what I want to know from you, because I'm born and raised here.
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I worked very hard from 12 years old to be where I am.
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My children are working very hard to be successes as well.
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But those who come here from the outside are coming here for a better life.
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But can you explain to me why somebody would come here from Uganda, a horrible place, and
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see the opportunity of New York or see the opportunity of the United States of America,
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and then decide to try to change it like where you came from?
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Why would you want to make it all about Somalia as you're representing a district in Minnesota
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Well, they're both immigrants from horrible places.
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Therefore, please, please let me in, let me in.
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But once we become mighty, then we show no pity on you, right?
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So when we are in the minority, we play victim.
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Once we exceed that tipping point, then things change.
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Because it is codified in Islam that the entire world will be at peace once it is fully united
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So these folks are, and of course, it doesn't apply to every Muslim.
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Of course, there are millions of Muslims that are perfectly lovely.
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But both the two examples that you gave stem from the reflex that the fact that we come
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from terrible countries, that's probably because they didn't practice Islam properly there.
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Once we come to the United States, inshallah, we'll turn it into the real Islamic nirvana
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So on the other hand, you have other immigrants, some of whom are actually of an Islamic background.
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Take, for example, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has lived the horrors of what it is to be a woman
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And she is the one who is standing on top of the mountain, warning the West that don't
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You have the ones that have sampled from the buffet of hellish societies, come to the
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West and are perfectly grateful to be here, and therefore defend the freedoms of the West.
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And you've got the folks like Mamdani that do the exact opposite.
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Well, I guess what I'm confused about is Mamdani, I understand, he's a man.
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And in that religion, if you're a man, you get everything.
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But if you're Ilhan Omar, and you're now worth $30 million, and you came here from Somalia
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You were treated like dirt, you married your brother to come here to let him come here
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That she's now wealthy, she's now free, she's now liberated, and yet she's still spewing
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the biggest hate against Jews, against the American way of life, against capitalism, against
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How is it that she hasn't been awakened to holy mackerel?
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That explains that hashtag that explains Ilhan.
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That's why the parasitic mind was the global success that it was.
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That's why, inshallah, suicidal empathy will be equally, if not more successful.
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Because what happens to those folks is that they are parasitized.
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And here, if you'll forgive me for now entering that territory of my books.
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The reason why I use the neuroparasitological framework, and I know it's a mouthful, so
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If you take the wood cricket, an actual wood cricket, which is an insect that abhors water,
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So evolutionarily speaking, it doesn't want to swim.
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When it is parasitized by a hair worm that goes into its brain, the hair worm needs the
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wood cricket to jump into water in order for it to complete its reproductive cycle.
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So it hijacks the wood cricket's brain, causing it to merrily and happily commit suicide in
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the service of the brain worm that has zombified its brain.
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So I took that mechanism, and I argued that human beings, both their cognitive system and
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their emotional systems, can be parasitized by ideological brain worms.
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She is the wood cricket who merrily jumps into the water, committing suicide, in the service,
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in this case, of her foundational identity, which is that she is a Muslim.
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Of course, scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom,
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University of Mississippi, and also professor, author.
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When we see people who are filled with parasites, can we deworm them?
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Is that, and I'm guessing we can, so let me jump to the next part of the question.
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Why does it take so much longer to deprogram them than it takes for them to fall for the
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flowing hair on the horseback to buy this perfume?
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The optimistic part, to your point, is that, yes, most people can be dewormed, and that
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there are mind vaccines that you could administer to people that can eventually make them see
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There's always going to be a group of people that are going to go, la, la, la, la, la.
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I'm not going to get the mind vaccine administered to me.
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And so those people, you have to learn to potentially give them up.
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I'd like to vaccinate everyone against this imbecility, but I have to be able to know whether
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And again, I'm going to now plug a book that's not mine, and I always joke that I should be
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getting some of their book royalties a number of times that I have plugged their books.
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So there's a book by two French psychologists called Hugo Mercier and Dan Sperber.
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They wrote a book called The Enigma of Reason, where they argued, they're evolutionary psychologists,
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they argued that our capacity to reason and hence to seek truth did not evolve to seek
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some objective truth, but rather to win arguments.
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So you could see how that's pessimistic, right?
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This is why most people who suffer from TDS, Trump derangement syndrome, it doesn't matter
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how much evidence I give them that might hopefully get them to at least reduce their TDS, they're
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going to go, la, la, la, I don't want to hear it because I am on anti-Trump camp and no amount
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of evidence that you could ever offer me is going to move me one millimeter off my anchored
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As a matter of fact, research shows that for such people, the more evidence that you
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show them that is contrary to their anchored position, the more they become anchored in
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So there is both optimistic and pessimistic parts to your question.
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Because if I give you the evidence and spell it out, I mean, that literally sounds like
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it's insanity, but these people are functioning in the same society as you and me.
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So how is that, if that's not insanity, what is?
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Well, this is why the neuroparasithological framework is so powerful, right?
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Because their brains have been hijacked, right?
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Your question presupposes that my prefrontal cortex is still working using a set of actions
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Remember the surgeon who, by the way, he won the Nobel Prize for this, to the Nobel Prize
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The guy who came up with the lobotomy thought that he was doing a good job, right?
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Let's drill a hole into your lobe, scramble the whole thing, and hopefully some of your
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Well, I mean, yes, they subsided, but I've basically metaphorically decapitated you, right?
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One of the great ways for me to no longer suffer from migraines is to decapitate my head, and
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then here you go, my migraines have been resolved.
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So this is why the neuroparasithological analogy is so powerful, because there is no way to make
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Their brains have been literally hijacked by ideological capture.
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The new book is going to be out in the spring called Suicidal Empathy.
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Let me bring up the Palestinian children, if I can.
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And I had an interview with Alan Dershowitz, and I talked to Dr. Dershowitz, or Professor
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Dershowitz, about, well, what about the children?
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When they graduate from elementary school, you and I both know, their graduation ceremony
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They're raised to hate the people because they're told to hate the people.
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And once they become, you know, eight years old, nine years old, ten years old can carry
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a gun, they carry a gun, they throw rocks, they shoot at, they do whatever they
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And maybe Egypt and Jordan and the surrounding areas all go in and make Gaza something great.
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But what about the children who grew up knowing that the Jews are the mongrels behind the trees
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How do we change a mindset that, like, I was brought up to believe that the sky is blue.
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If somebody tried to convince me that it's not blue, it is, by the way, but what if
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How do you tell somebody who was brought up with an inherent enemy that it's not your
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Analogical reasoning is a very powerful tool to demonstrate certain phenomena to people.
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When I teach a consumer psychology course, and at one point in the semester, we talk about
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the ethics, the legality, and the morality of targeting advertising to children, one of
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the mechanisms that you use in deciding whether when it should be okay to target children is
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When children realize that the advertising that's targeting them is trying to persuade
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So at five years old, they don't have the cognitive defenses to be able to understand
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We could have a legal, moral, and ethical system that bans the targeting of advertising, selling
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But straight out of the womb to hundreds of millions of children in Islamic societies, the
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first thing that I teach them all day long, straight out of the womb, is Jews are evil.
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Every single calamity that the world has that you will face in your life is due to the
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This is why, by the way, Joe, I coined the game Six Degrees of Jew on the play of, you've
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I give you a calamity and you have up to six illusory causal steps for you to blame it
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An Amazonian frog just died in the Peruvian Amazon.
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And so the point of the game is that you've got up to six links to always converge on
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So to your point, you're exactly right that the Israel-Palestine conflict has zero to do,
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What it has to do is with the fact that Jews exist on that land is an existential affront
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Muhammad on his deathbed said, promise me that you will rid Arabia of certainly Christians,
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So there's those children who have absolutely no means of erecting cognitive defenses against
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the hate that they're taught will eventually, guess what?
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By the way, for your listeners who don't know this, I grew up in Lebanon.
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So it's not as though I don't have the experience.
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It's not as though I haven't spoken to people in Arabic.
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I mean, literally, you could say to someone, hi, Ahmad, how are you doing?
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Within two or three salutations, we will converge on goddamn Jews.
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If you eradicate that, and again, of course, it doesn't mean that every Muslim hates Jews.
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And of course, I've known millions of Muslims that have been perfectly lovely and kind and
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But does Islam promote coexistence with the Jews?
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It's very interesting because I don't want them to die.
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Obviously, I want the children to grow up and have great lives.
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But if you're born into that, what is the process psychologically of saying, okay, I know
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you believe it, but I'm going to tell you some stuff that maybe is going to make you
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Again, when you're brought up to think they are the enemy, the inherent enemy of your life,
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your family, your God, your everything, how do you undo that?
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I've got very good friends that are Muslim that wouldn't hurt a fly.
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I've got people that are family members that have converted.
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But they're not raising children in what would be Palestine.
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They're not raising children in the Gaza Strip that really believe that their existential
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threat on this planet is the people that live over there.
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I mean, there are several ways that you could try to do it.
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Although, again, I'm quite pessimistic about the likelihood of this happening.
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So if we want to couch the solution within the canons of Islam, the only way that it could
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And again, I don't think that this is possible.
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Let me step back to give you a bit of an explanation of the doctrines of Islam.
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In Islam, you have what's called the Meccan period and the Medinan period.
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And then after many years with very few adherents, he moved to Medina.
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Now, in the Meccan period, when he had very, very few followers, his message was actually
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When he moved to Medina and his message, his marketing changed for it to become a lot
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more violent, then a lot more people said, yeah, sign me up.
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And so how could it be that God in one part of the Quran says, you know, tolerant things
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and then later parts, he says intolerant things.
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This is where you have the Islamic concept of abrogation.
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Abrogation means that when you have two statements that are perfectly contradictory, the later
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statement abrogates the earlier one because God in his infinite wisdom has the right to
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So what you would need, if I'm going to couch the solution in a canonical answer, you would
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need to magically find a magic wand that now using a blanket statement abrogates all of
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the violent passages that says, yeah, yeah, there used to be a period where killed the
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Jew and killed the Kuffar and killed the infidel made sense.
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And this has to be internalized within the doctrines of the religion for you to even have
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Now here's the problem, and this is why it's very pessimistic.
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Islam states from the get-go that it is the final, perfect, inerrant word of God.
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Therefore, unlike other Abrahamic religions that have had the magic wand of reformation to
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alter them, Islam is not as prone to reformation precisely for those reasons.
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It's not as though in the 1400 years of Islam's history, even people within its own faith have
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not tried to reform it, but they've always miserably failed because it doesn't tolerate
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So that's why it might be an intractable problem.
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And this is why I tell people that demography is destiny.
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Beware of the type of immigration program that you have in the West because it will, down
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Also get the new book coming out in the spring.
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I'm glad you brought up the rules or law of abrogation because I always believed that in
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Islam it was peaceful first and then abrogated to being very violent.
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And then the Hadith comes in and Takiyah comes in and all this other stuff.
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Are you saying that it started out violent, then it abrogated to being more peaceful?
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Later in the Medina period, it became more violent.
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So the peaceful Muslims that I know, and I know somebody right from Egypt.
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Um, she is a Muslim and she follows, I believe the early Islam.
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Is that what people are doing when they are peaceful, when they don't want to overtake
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Those who are your religion is yours and my religion is mine.
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We're all born through the random combination of the genes of our parents.
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We are born all short, green eyes, brown eyes, uh, hardworking, lazy, right?
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There is inherent heterogeneity in individual differences, right?
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So just like there are tons of really nice Jews and tons of really nasty Jews, that holds
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So the, the friend of yours is born a decent person, lives her life with dignity and, and
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And part of not being religious is that when I go to a Chinese restaurant, I do eat calamar
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and I do eat shrimps, despite the fact that kosher laws forbid the eating of that.
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I choose to, in a classic buffet cafeteria style, I choose those parts that I wish to adhere
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to, and I don't pay attention to the parts that I don't.
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And pretty much every person on earth does exactly that, except the really, what we call
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extremist, extremist Muslims who are the ones who are being most faithful to their religion.
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But you and I would agree, doctor, that all Italians are good, right?
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And we won't mention the crime families in New York about Italians.
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And I think that's really, really interesting because there is a push in this country to
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Like that somehow makes us better, more peaceful, more accepting, more tolerant, more DEI.
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And obviously, when you divide and conquer, you're literally dividing and conquering.
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And then on steroids, Biden administration did it.
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It wasn't Biden, probably Obama in his third term.
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But they did everything they could to divide this country.
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It's worked even here in Texas, where I live, where all the big cities are now very blue.
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And we see videos of people, white women and men getting on their hands and knees and kissing
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the boots of black people somehow to make up for this, I guess, born guilt we should have
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If we allow this country to be divided like that, the country will no longer exist.
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It'll be whatever the far left or Soros or whoever wants it to be.
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It happens to be the title of my next book, Suicidal Empathy.
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It explains every single malady at the domestic and foreign level that has gripped the West
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into a death spiral stems from this dysregulated form of empathy.
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And let me step back and explain the theoretical framework, okay?
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Empathy, when properly modulated, is a perfectly adaptive virtue to possess.
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We expect a social species like human beings to have empathy.
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For you and I to have a meaningful conversation, I need to put myself in your mind to kind of
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get a sense of what you expect from me, what you might know or not know.
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And this is, by the way, called theory of mind.
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One of the ways that we can identify autistic children, well, the main way by which we can
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identify children as being autistic, is we give them a theory of mind test, which they
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So empathy is an indelible part of our human nature.
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So no one is arguing that empathy is a bad thing.
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But like so many psychiatric disorders, the problem arises when that otherwise adaptive
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So let me give you an example, and then I'll come back to empathy.
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OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder, is a psychiatric condition that's very debilitating.
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So for example, if I had the pleasure of meeting you one day in person, and a few came up to
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me, and I noticed that immediately before you were to shake my hand, I noticed that you
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sneezed a few times into your hand, and I shake your hand, I say to myself, oops, this looks
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Let me go quietly to the bathroom and wash my hands, because I don't want to pick up his
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Therefore, scanning the environment for potential threats makes perfect evolutionary sense.
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The problem arises when that adaptive mechanism hyperfires.
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Now, if I spent eight hours a day washing my hands and scalding hot water so that my skin
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is falling off and I can't get to work because I'm stuck in the bathroom washing my hands, I
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now suffer from germ contamination fear, a form of OCD, and it misfires.
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So what started off adaptive became maladaptive.
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Maladaptive empathy is where we say all immigrants are equally likely to assimilate because I'm not
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So for me to say that people from Yemen are less likely to assimilate than people from Denmark
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Therefore, better for me to be an empathetic ostrich and pretend that those realities don't
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exist because I could admire myself in the reflection of the mirror and show that I am
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And so suicidal empathy explains the judicial system.
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It's not fair to put this lovely black guy in prison for life.
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Don't you think he's deserving of a second chance?
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Don't you think that in the white supremacist society that we live in, he's a victim?
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So if he is now becoming a felon, it's due to what happened 300 years ago somewhere in
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So shouldn't you then not double punish him by putting him in prison?
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And so you take both all domestic policies and all foreign policies, create a lobotomy
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to your empathy system, and you end up where we are.
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I just love what you just said because when you're talking about Sweden, I thought of the
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There was somebody who I believe was an immigrant from Yemen or Somalia standing in front of a
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camera in Finland saying the problem with Finland is there are too many Finnish people
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I mean, literally, that's what she said, and she meant it.
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And the people in Finland are going, we have to accept them all.
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They're just going to assimilate, and they don't.
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That's why you see an 83% increase in sex crimes in the Nordic countries.
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When it comes to our judicial system here, I'm so glad.
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The new book comes out in the spring called Suicidal Empathy.
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What about institutional slavery or racism, whatever it happens to be?
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We'll give 18 different excuses for why the guy shouldn't have to put up some money for
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And then they ask, well, why did he do it again?
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And if we really are going to have a blind justice system, we have to stop considering
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We should just consider this guy did this thing, should face this punishment.
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If we get back to that, we'll be better, won't we?
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This is all about internal versus external locus of control.
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So there's a psychologist in the 60s who developed this brilliant dichotomy in understanding
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An internal locus of control basically says that things happen to me because of my internal
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So I did well on the exam because I'm smart or because I studied.
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External locus of control would be things happen to me because of fate, because of God,
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Most people have the following attributional style.
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They attribute successes internally and they attribute failures externally.
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So I did well on the exam because I'm very smart.
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I did very poorly on the exam because Professor Saad is a mean Jewish asshole.
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Because if all successes are due to me and all failures are due to the outside world, then
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And this is what happens with the progressives.
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They attribute all the failures of noble people of color and noble Muslims and so on, all of
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They no longer have personal agency, those people.
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Everything that they do that's bad stems from external forces.
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It's the racist, transphobic, Islamophobic, slavery-inducing society of the United States.
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So surely we have to break the link between cause and effect and not put them in prison.
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Because, I mean, Isaac Newton explained to us, for every action, there's a reaction, right?
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The most fundamental law of nature is a cause and effect relationship.
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Once we break that, then we are completely nihilistic, right?
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I mean, how many times do you have to, I mean, imagine if you're a cop, you spend your
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days, taking chances with your life to arrest someone, 15 seconds after they're arrested,
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they're let out on the street, cashless bail, and we'll do that for 183 times.
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Who wants to sign up to be a cop under those circumstances?
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Hey, make sure you go get his book called The Parasitic Mind.
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Now, when I watch, if you had a group of people that you were giving a seminar to, and you
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said to that group of people, it could be a thousand people, who in here wants more crime?
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It doesn't matter what their thoughts are or their overwhelming or underwhelming empathy
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They know that means more crime and more people out.
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Why do they elect Zoran Mamdani when they know he wants to free everybody from Rikers?
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I think you would agree that nobody would say, I'd like a little more crime.
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So why can't they balance the two and realize this action is causing this reaction?
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Because in the hierarchy of needs, if you are a rational human being that's not parasitized,
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both by parasitic ideas and by societal empathy, your position is correct, right?
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Every person should want less crime, more than more crime.
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But if it means that my being an ally to a person of color will result in more crime,
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Of course, Queers for Palestine is exactly that, right?
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Because if my identity is defined by my queerness, more power to you.
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But on the other hand, if that is your fundamental identity marker, then should you be celebrating
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Tel Aviv, which is one of the most queer-friendly societies in the world?
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I mean, short of Montreal, short of San Francisco, short of New York, you'd be hard-pressed to
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find a city that is more queer-friendly than Tel Aviv, or should you put all of your eggs
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behind the falling basket in Gaza, where they have found an incredibly effective 100% gravity-based
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We take you to the highest building, and we launch you off so that your head splatters
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when you fall down, which is, by the way, an Islamic edict.
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So, not surprisingly, many of the people who have blue hair and get their degrees at Oberlin
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College will end up saying, hashtag Queers for Palestine.
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Because it is more important for me to exhibit suicidal empathy as the ultimate signal of my
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100% conversion therapy, positivity, it works every single time, throwing them off the building.
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Nobody but nobody who's ever said they're an ally of anybody has ever been free of the
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You can say, I am 100% an ally, and I'm kissing the toes of this black person in the town square.
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They're not now protected from being hijacked or carjacked somewhere in D.C.
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Do they think they're getting a benefit or a payoff?
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But some guy has a Black Lives Matter flag outside of his house, and there are people
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outside rioting who are busting into his house and stealing his stuff.
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The ally is not getting what the ally thinks they're getting by being allies.
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So this is a form of selling indulgences, right?
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You remember in the Catholic—well, this led, by the way, to the Reformation of Martin
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Selling indulgences basically said, look, if you give me this amount of money, then you
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are buying your potential right to heaven and so on.
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So when I put that proud hashtag BLM flag up, I am selling indulgences that hopefully
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But by the way, Joe, I have much more shocking examples than your hashtag Black BLM.
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She is fully quoted and cited in my forthcoming book.
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She's a white woman, very progressive woman, who has dedicated her life to demonstrating
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that it is disgusting how the white supremacist world has created an archetype of violent Black
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men, because Black men inherently are all incredibly peaceful and kind.
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Now, she had gone to Haiti to stand arm in arm with her Black men brothers, and it turns
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out that one of them took her up to a rooftop and raped her violently all night.
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And as he was raping her, she begged him and said, why are you doing this when I'm your
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Do you not realize that I am a Black Malcolm X scholar?
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Can you believe it, Joe, that he kept raping her after she told him that she's a Malcolm
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So when you have someone that is this parasitized, how can you move forward, right?
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This woman thought that a Black man would not rape her once she shared the fact that he's
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Norwegian man, indigenous Norwegian, meaning a white Norwegian guy, was sodomized in 2013
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After the sodomizer served a very small sentence, maybe three years or something, because the
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Why don't we give him opportunities to self-actualize as per Maslow's hierarchy of needs?
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So after he served a very, very small, you know, prison sentence, he was going to be
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The guy who was sodomized by the Somali guy came out and said that he felt horrible.
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Because if that poor noble Somali immigrant is sent to Mogadishu, he will not be able to
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Well, I'm here to tell you as a evolutionary psychologist that our emotional system did
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I mean, that's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard.
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But the fact that the guy wanted him to have more opportunities to stay there and possibly
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sodomized some more dudes makes me crazy because that guy can't be fixed.
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It reminds me of a story, and I don't know the names involved, but there was a suicide,
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attempted suicide bomber who was a female that the suicide bomb didn't go off or it didn't
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And again, I don't know the specifics of it other than they brought her back.
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And you would figure that she would be very, very happy with them.
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And when interviewed, she said, my only regret is that the suicide bomb didn't work, that
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And that, to me, shows a, I'm a glass half full guy.
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Because I don't know how you fix people like that Norwegian guy.
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I don't know how you fix people like that woman who's in the middle of being raped, thought
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that her ally or alliness, whatever it was, or allegiance, somehow would benefit her
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And this woman who only has life because the best doctors in Israel saved her life, wishes
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So last question, and thank you for all the time.
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Well, they are the ones who are in this suicidal empathy, you know, sensibility that they can't,
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they will die before giving up their allegiance.
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They can, but as I said, the question is, to those who cannot be saved, could they be sufficiently
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restrained that the rest of us don't bear a huge cost?
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So let me end it on a positive note, on an optimistic note, okay?
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I had a friend, a Jewish friend, who in 2000, and I actually discussed this case in the
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parasitic mind, who in 2010 reached out to me and said, hey God, I know that you're, you
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know, you're from the Middle East, Arabic is your mother tongue, you understand Islam really
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Could you tell me whether Islam preaches violence or peace towards the Jews?
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Because I'm friends with this PhD student in Islamic studies, and she's perfectly peaceful
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and kind, and she would never hurt a fly, all the stuff that we've talked about earlier,
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And so what I did is I took a montage, an amalgamation of a bunch of clips.
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That was of a whole bunch of different imams spanning the globe, and what were the things
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And that montage is so extreme that if Hitler were listening to it, he would say the following,
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hey guys, look, I'm Hitler, so believe me, I hate the Jews and I want to kill them all.
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So now I shared this clip with her without any editorializing.
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I said, here is hopefully something that could answer for you.
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So certainly they understand what Islam is and what it says about the Jews.
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But don't worry, I will end it on a positive note.
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It hurts me to see that you are no different in your extremism than they are.
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So my sharing a clip of them wanting to genocide every single Jew on earth was equally extremist as them wanting to genocide me.
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But in 2024, I received an email from her out of the blue saying, dear God, you know, it's been many years since we last spoken.
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And I just wanted to apologize for how I reacted to you 14 years ago.
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Why is this an optimistic end to our conversation?
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Because it did take her 14 years, and the world might end before 14 years.
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But what I'm saying is even the most degenerate imbeciles can come around.
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The question is whether we can afford the time that is needed for them to come around.
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It's Dr. Goetz, professor, author, and evolutionary behavioral scientist.
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He's also a scholar of the Declaration of Independence Center for Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi, Ole Miss.
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Get his book right now called The Parasitic Mind.
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Another episode of Unshaken and Unafraid with Joe Pax to come soon.