The Dangerous Delusions Infecting the West (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_944)
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Dr. Gadsad is a scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi, and the author of many books, including The Parasitic Mind and his forthcoming book, Suicidal Empathy.
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We're here today with Dr. Gadsad. Dr. Gadsad is a scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center
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for the Study of American Freedom at University of Mississippi. He's the author of many books,
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including The Parasitic Mind and his forthcoming book, Suicidal Empathy. Dr. Saad, welcome to the
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show. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. I want to speak about what happened at Bondi
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Beach in Australia. What was your immediate reaction when you saw Jews murdered at a
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Hanukkah gathering at Bondi Beach? And you also said that Jews lose the right to be angry the
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moment a Muslim does something heroic. Why is there such a dangerous psychological trap over there?
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Well, so first to your question about how I reacted, of course, I was very upset, very horrified. But
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then I hate to say it, you become numb because let me, I now oftentimes will lead with the following
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statistic because people unfortunately think it's a bit too hard to engage in thinking. You know,
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thinking can be so hard, better to just watch a couple of TikTok videos to inform the world,
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to inform my mind about what's happening in the world. There have been 48,000 plus terror attacks,
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Islamic terror attacks, since 9-11 alone in nearly 70 countries. I've been a scientist for 32 years now,
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right? I apply evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology to study human behavior.
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When we collect data, we analyze the data. And then the effect that we find is either statistically
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significant or not. Yes? Well, it would be very difficult to think of any scientific study that's
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ever been conducted that has data that is as compelling as what we are seeing around the world.
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And yet people say, la, la, la, I don't want to hear it. So on the one hand, I'm horrified.
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And on the other hand, I'm like, oh, it's just another day in the global mayhem and the global
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jihad. So that's that. Regarding your second question, I actually put out a few tweets shortly
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after the incident where I explained the following logic that regrettably not only Muslims espouse,
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but all of the, to use a French word, les bien-pensants, the good thinkers, the politically correct
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thinkers, the suicidally empathetic thinkers will engage in, which is whenever any act is committed
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by individuals in the name of Islam, it can't be due to Islam because Islam is beautiful.
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Whenever a good act is committed by a Muslim without invoking his religion, he jumped into a river
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to save a drowning puppy. That must be due to Islam because Islam is good. So Islam cannot
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epistemologically do anything wrong. And any good acts are by definition due to Islam. When you create
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such an epistemological worldview in the West, then you can't end up implementing auto-correction
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mechanisms because there is nothing to auto-correct. It was, those guys were not Muslim. They were
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distorting the true beauty of Islam. You also came out with a video right after this, where you described
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Islamophobia as a Gordian knot. What makes that accusation so effective at instantly silencing
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outrage? So the Gordian knot is an ancient Greek legend whereby, you know, you twist something and make
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it so difficult that it's impossible to extricate yourself from it. But it is now used as a metaphor
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for, you know, contorting yourself into a pretzel. And so if you want to invoke your reason, you have
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to cut that Gordian knot. Well, to my earlier point, what the West has done, it has created a shield
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around any objective discussion of Islam that it becomes a Gordian knot. It's impossible to extricate
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yourself into the world of reality. Because if I just say you're Islamophobic, that shuts it down.
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That's it. There is nothing worse in the world than to be an Islamophobic, or at least that's what
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they've convinced us that that's what's true, right? To be a pedophile is better than to be a
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Islamophobe. To kill your wife is better. Nothing is worse than that. Therefore, it's once you internalize
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this completely perverse value system, what you end up with is exactly what happened in Britain,
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where for the past 30 plus years, up and down Britain in small towns and big cities and medium
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sized villages, you've had several hundred thousand British white girls that have been gang raped by
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largely one demographic group. But when the authorities came to this very difficult Herculean
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conundrum, which is, do we protect the integrity and safety of our children and risk the possibility
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of being called Islamophobic? Sorry, little girls, you need to take some more.
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From what I'm hearing, Western societies are now prioritizing not offending Muslims over protecting
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Exactly. And that's the whole premise behind my forthcoming book, Suicidal Empathy, which people
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have been nonstop writing to me for years. When is it going to come out already? Maybe I shouldn't
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have announced that it was coming out so long ago, then people wouldn't be so frustrated. But let me
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give you the background to this story, if I may. We are both a thinking and a feeling animal. Our thinking
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is what's called our cognitive system. Our feelings, it's our affective system, right? So it's not we are
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a reason-based animal and emotions are irrational. There are, as I explained in the parasitic mind,
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which I'll talk about in a second, it's not that we should be always using our cognition over our
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emotions. It's that you have to invoke the right system at the right context. When I go down a dark alley
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and I see four young men loitering, I will have an affective-based reaction. My heart rate will start
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going up. My blood pressure goes up. That fear-based response makes perfect evolutionary sense. On the
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other hand, if I'm trying to do well on my mathematics exam, invoking my fear system is probably not going
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to result in a good outcome on the exam. So the challenge is to invoke the right system at the right
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time. Now, in the parasitic mind, what I did is I offered a framework to explain to what happens to
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people's incapability to reason when their minds have been hijacked by parasitic ideas. And let me
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explain where that came from, and then I'll come to suicidal empathy, if I may. The field of
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neuroparasitology is a field that spans many, many animals. Even human brains can be parasitized by actual
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physical brain worms. Toxoplasma gandhi would be one such example. So in the animal kingdom, there are
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many instances where a parasite can cause you damage. Now, a tapeworm parasitizes your intestinal
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tract, but a neuroparasite always looks to end up in the host's brain, altering its neuronal circuitry
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to suit its reproductive interests. So the classic example that I give, but there are many, many
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others, would be the wood cricket, the actual wood cricket. The wood cricket abhors water. It doesn't
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want to do anything with water. Regrettably, it can oftentimes be infected by a neuroparasite called
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a hairworm. The hairworm needs the wood cricket to jump to its death into water because then it completes
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its reproductive cycle, which has to happen in water. So the brain of the hapless wood cricket
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is literally parasitized. It is willing to commit suicide in the service of this supra entity that's
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controlling its mind. So that was my eureka moment. I said, okay, well, I'm going to take this principle
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and I'm going to demonstrate that human minds can be parasitized ideologically. So that was the
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parasitic mind. But then for me to be able to fully hijack your brain, I need to also hijack
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your emotional system. So now I come to this, the main part of your question, because for you to turn
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into a wood cricket, all of your mechanisms of behavioral intent, I have to hijack, right? So now I need to go
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to your emotional system. Now, why suicidal empathy? Because empathy is driven. I mean, there is a cognitive
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component to empathy and an emotional component to empathy. Empathy when properly modulated is a
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perfectly relevant evolutionary mechanism because we are a social species. For you and I to right now
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have a meaningful conversation, we need to put ourselves at each other's minds. So that's perfectly
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fine. So I'm not arguing that empathy is a bad thing. But as I've explained many times in many places,
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Aristotle explained to us several thousand years ago that everything in moderation, right? Too little
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of something is not good. Too much of something is not good. If you have too little empathy or no
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empathy, you're called a psychopath. If you have too much empathy, you're called the West. And that's
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what I called suicidal empathy. You're invoking empathy to the wrong people in the wrong occasions,
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in the wrong amounts. You end up with hashtag refugees welcome. So is it Islam that's uniquely
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protected from criticism through accusations of phobia? Is Islamophobia best understood as a
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moral accusation, a psychological weapon, a political silencing tool? It's all of those things.
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Absolutely. Certainly, it's not the only one that people are afraid of being accused of, right? So
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let's do a slight shift in answering your question. Malcolm Gladwell is a very popular author who's
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written many bestselling books. He's not an academic. He goes and he mines all of the research that folks
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like me do. And then he spins them oftentimes into fanciful tales. And then he, you know, he's welcomed
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in Manhattan parties for the right guy that he is. Because Malcolm Gladwell doesn't have neither a spine
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nor testicles, nor testicles. Therefore, he's a member of the invertebrate castrati. He thought that
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it was no longer acceptable to say something that until 15 minutes ago, we absolutely could navigate
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through. All 117 billion people, this is a real estimate, roughly 117 billion people have existed on
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earth as homo sapiens. They used to always be able to exactly navigate through the very, very difficult
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challenge of identifying who is male or female. Because it turns out we are a sexually reproducing
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species. So it might be that it makes sense that we can identify with whom we should be mating. Or
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perhaps I was just lucky that I ended up finding a woman that didn't have a penis and I found a woman
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with a vagina and I was lucky in that I was able to produce children with her, right? Well, Malcolm Gladwell
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came along and said that it is no longer appropriate for him if he wishes to still be invited to the
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cool kids parties in Manhattan to say that men do actually have a physical advantage over women
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when playing sports. That it probably is not a good idea for, you know, women with nine-inch penises to
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share the shower with your 13-year-old daughter. Because he knew that the cool kids in Manhattan
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would not accept that. And therefore, he doesn't want to be called transphobic. So to your earlier
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question, you see where I'm going, it's not just Islamophobia. You definitely don't want to be
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called transphobic, although that's softening now. And he kept going around on shows. He's on record
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as saying, this is ridiculous to argue that men are physically stronger than women. There's no evidence
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of that. What evidence is there that men are stronger than women? Then the wind started changing,
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right? Things were no longer acceptable for you to murder and rape reality in such an overt way.
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So he came out on the record about two months ago to explain to us, to all of us simpletons,
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that, yeah, I guess, yeah, I wasn't telling the truth then. But you have to understand there was a lot
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of pressure on me to say that men are, you know, women can have penises, right? So to summarize what
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I just said, no, Islamophobia is not the only thing that people are fearful of. But I have a quote
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towards the end of the parasitic mind, where I say that the way these parasitic ideas are able to
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proliferate so much is that there is kind of a gun pointed to you, a metaphorical gun, where you are
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way more terrified of being called sexist or racist or transphobic or Islamophobic than to defend the
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truth. People have to lose that reflex or you'll wake up in a hundred years and inshallah, it'll be
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a different culture. What happens to a civilization when it can no longer name the ideology that's
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harming it? For example, there are Arab countries that ban the Muslim Brotherhood. They realize the
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danger. But in the West, they don't seem to see the danger of that. What happens to a civilization
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that can't name that ideology that's, you know, destroying it? Well, I mean, that's exactly why
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I came up many years ago with the concept of suicidal empathy, right? Because it is the first
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time in recorded history that you have this unique phenomenon. I explained this recently and I explained
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it in my forthcoming book. I'm going to summarize history for you, all of recorded history,
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in exactly two minutes. You ready? Okay. There is a river. On one side of the river,
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there is a tribe. On the other side of the river, there's another tribe. Both sides of the river are
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looking with great covetousness at the resources of the other side. The resources could be anything.
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It could be they have more fresh water on the other side. They have more food sources. Their women are
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really pretty. It could be a wide range of things. That's why in the 10 commandments, there is the
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don't covet commandment. Yes. That's why in the seven deadly sins, we have envy as one of them. I'm
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envious of what those guys on the other side have. So throughout history, the way we resolve this is the
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following. The men on river, on tribe A will make the calculation. Can we now be in a position to take
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by force everything we want from river, from tribe B? If yes, let's go for it. If no, let's hold off.
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One of the things, the main things that makes them say, let's hold off is that both parties know that
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the men of the other tribe is going to respond in very predictable ways to you taking all that's
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ours. We're going to violently respond. And therefore, this is why we have to do the calculation.
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Now, imagine how much life could be simpler if the members of tribe B decide, forget about
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evolutionary history that I just described. There is nothing more laudable. There is nothing more
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honorable than to give up your women, your children, your religion, your heritage, your
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civilization, your culture in the name of infinite compassion, irrational altruism, and suicidal
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empathy. This places me on a plane of moral preening that the world has never seen before. Convince
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enough people of this disastrous value system, and you get the West. Let's say 99% of Muslims are
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peaceful and 1% are, you know, violent. Why is that still an unacceptable civilizational risk? And how
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do the remaining 99% indirectly empower the violent minority? Somebody's been reading my recent social
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media content. Because the numbers seem to be exactly the ones I used. There are 2 billion Muslims,
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give or take, one-fourth of humanity. So let's concede. Very, very, very few. Even the biggest
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Islam apologist would say that if you take the percent, 1% are violent and 99% are not, that's a
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very charitable position. The overwhelming majority are not violent. Okay, great. Let's concede that
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point. That leaves about 20 million Muslims that are very violent. Now, 20 million is 5 million more
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than the number of Jews on earth. So that seems pretty bad, right? But that's only capturing the
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ones who say, I will be the Bondi Beach guy who will shoot those rat Jews. But there's still 99% to take
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into account. What percentage knows of the attacks, but does nothing? Do they count as part of the 1%?
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But they're not. They're never going to be the ones to shoot. What about the ones who went to the mosque
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where the 1% went to, where they heard the exact same invocations, the exact same Quranic verses,
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the exact same verses in the Hadith that say that the end of earth will only come when the tree says,
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there's a Jew hiding behind me and we will kill all the Jews? Are they guilty at all or not at all?
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What about the ones who don't want to do any of that, but are certainly willing to turn a blind eye?
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They'll never stand up and say, I don't want to be a part of this. So therefore, once you start
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creating the concentric circles of culpability, that number grows very much bigger than the 1%.
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So what's the number that makes it okay? Now, to answer that, you have to then turn to this other
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thing called the prefrontal cortex that human brains have evolved, which is when we're taking actions,
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we calculate the cost and benefits of an action. Or as Thomas Sowell famously said, and I've said it
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independently a million times, life is about a series of trade-offs. If we do this, what do we
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trade off? So if you wish to have greater diversity in your societies by letting in millions and millions
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of people who don't share your foundational values, what do you get in return for that? And what you get
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in return, is it well worth the risk? If yes, then double down and bring in more. If no, maybe revisit
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Well, some people might say that, you know, you need to vet these immigrants that come in. But why is vetting
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fundamentally impossible when, for example, in Islam, the belief system permits deception? Or, you know,
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you can't really tell, are these the violent ones? Are these the ones that are supporting them?
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So I'm going to draw an analogy, then I'll come to that question. One of the methodologies that is
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now often used in behavioral neuroscience is to put people through an fMRI, functional magnetic
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resonance imaging. You put them through, you make them go through a task, and the machine,
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the methodology, there are different ways to do it. It can look at oxygenation patterns in your brain
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or blood flow patterns so that it can say this particular region of your brain was more active
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when you were solving that math problem, right? So you do that. But the reality is that it's all
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post-hoc bullshit theorizing. Like there is no meta framework that can help us understand why it is
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that a particular region of the brain was more likely to get activated. So for diagnostic purposes,
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you want to see that someone has, God forbid, a tumor, the fMRI might be good. To understand
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behavior, fMRI is pure, utter bullshit, okay? All right? Now, why am I saying this? Because let's
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imagine that the vetting system is exactly equivalent to putting you through this fMRI. So let's suppose I
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ask you, now your name is not going to be Daniel, Ahmed. Let's see if you can game it. Ahmed,
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do you believe in American liberties? What are you going to say? Ahmed, do you believe that Jews are
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good people that deserve to live freely? Oh, yes, for sure. Hey, Ahmed, do you think that gays should
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be thrown off rooftops? Never. Let me welcome, I just put your immigration papers, I put you through a
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very, very rigorous vetting process, and it really looks like you're the kind of immigrant we want here.
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We've vetted you, right? So don't listen to, you know, phobic Professor Dr. Gad Saad. He's phobic.
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I just asked you the vetting questions, and just like they vetted very, very clearly the 80 interpreters
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that came in under Biden. They're all vetted, right, through a very rigorous system. And it must have been
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that he went mentally ill when he decided to kill people while invoking Quranic texts. There must have
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been something that radicalized him, right? So to answer your question, no, there is no vetting. It's
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a game of statistics. Look, there are many different surveys that have been done, but I'll cite one. And by
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the way, those surveys tend to be more woke. They're not ultra-conservative organizations. They're
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global organizations. So the Pew survey group that does many of these big global surveys, I think it
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was in 2010, they asked people from a wide range of Islamic societies, what are your views on Jews? Yes?
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Now, if you were to get, remember earlier we were doing 1% are violent, 99% are not, okay? Those are,
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you know, they seem like charitable numbers. If you found out in those surveys that 10% of the
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representative random sample of people from all of those societies harbor really nasty view of the
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Jews, 10%, you'd say, that's disastrous, that's dangerous. Do you want to know what the numbers are,
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Daniel? Can you give me what the numbers are? 50%. Try about 98%, okay? Now, depending on the
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country, in some countries, they're very tolerant. It's only 96. In other countries, they're really,
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really mean. It's 99. But for example, my beautiful country of Lebanon that was the Paris of the Middle
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East, it's around 98. I don't remember the exact numbers, but you can send them to you and you could
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post them in the description, okay? Now, let's see if we can connect the dots. If I let in millions of
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people from societies where a wide range of data suggests that an astounding preponderance, not 50%,
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not 10%, 97% are harboring really problematic views of Jews. Do you think when those people come in,
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let's see if we can solve this conundrum. Every single day when I go on a diet, three things can
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happen to my weight that day. There's only three possibilities. My weight could go up, my weight
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can stay the same, or my weight can go down, right? There is no other option. True? Okay. So when we
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let in millions of people that come from societies with 98% endemic Jew hatred, do we expect that now
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the host societies will have an increase in Jew hatred, no change in Jew hatred, or a decrease in
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Jew hatred? Well, it turns out very paradoxically, all of the bright thinkers in the West haven't been
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able to connect those dots. It turns out that in Sweden, massive increase in Jew hatred, and in Italy,
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massive, and in Spain, massive, and in England, massive, and in France, massive, and in Canada,
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massive, and in the U.S. it's becoming massive. Is there a way that we can find the mystery that led
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to this? I'm not smart enough. I can't put it together. Wow. Do you think the West is uniquely
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bad at understanding the risk of these immigrants coming in because it is suicidally empathetic,
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more so than the other countries that are not in the West? Yes. Because look, a society, it's not that
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the U.S., yes, it has beautiful geography, and yes, the U.S. has beautiful coastline on the East Coast,
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and in the Gulf of America now, it's called Gulf of America, not Gulf of Mexico, and it has a beautiful
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coastline on the West Coast. But what makes America are the foundational values that defines
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the American spirit, right? That's what makes you American, right? Now, you could say, what makes
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the Japanese the Japanese? Well, partly, it's a racial identity, but also there might be unique
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Japanese values that are not shared elsewhere. So, for example, the Japanese are very much
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collectivists. In the West, we're very much individualists. So, that has a profound effect
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on how you navigate through your daily life if you are in Japan or if you are in England or France
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or Canada, okay? Now, what is it that makes the West the West? Part of it is that we have
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internalized an ethos of openness, of tolerance, of non-judgment. That's beautiful. That's fine,
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as long as it is expressed within adaptive modulated range, right? As I explained earlier, if you are
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tolerant towards those who, once they have the power, will remove you, then, right, Karl Popper,
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the famous Jewish philosopher of science had the paradox of tolerance, right? Well, the paradox of
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tolerance stems from my suicidal empathy, right? Because it says, there is nothing worse than for
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me to judge another. Who am I to judge? Don't cast stones onto the other if you live in a glass house.
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But as I explained to the parasitic mind, that injunction from the New Testament is not a
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deontological statement, never judge. It says, don't be a moral hypocrite, but you should judge,
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right? I mean, Abrahamic religions are famously judgmental, but the West has internalized that
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as, I will never judge. This is why, by the way, you have this astounding game of coming up. First of
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all, you put an ism in front of the word, and then the word becomes innocent. So, Islam is gorgeous,
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is beautiful. Islamism is mean, but that's not enough. Radical Islamism is really much worse than
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Islamism. Extremist radical Islamism, now that, those are the bad guys. Jihadi extremist radical
00:27:18.960
Islamism, that's really the bad guys, okay? So, by putting many, many qualifiers before Islam and adding
00:27:28.060
the magical beauty of the ism suffix after it, that makes it more palpable to the very kind
00:27:36.340
Western mind, which is, you never judge another person's religion. Hey, bigot, don't you realize
00:27:43.620
that the United States was founded on freedom of religion? This is why it's really important to not
00:27:49.280
judge another person's religion, okay? That has as much cognitive acuity as the following statement.
00:27:58.040
You ready? Badminton is a sport, and it starts with the letter B. Boxing is a sport that also starts
00:28:06.600
with the letter B. Therefore, since they're both sports, and they both start with the letter B,
00:28:12.560
they're equally likely to cause brain damage. And the way I know this is because they're both
00:28:18.640
called sports, and they both start with the letter B. So, for me to say that boxing might have a greater
00:28:25.900
proclivity of resulting in brain damage because you're pounded on the head feels like it's a bit
00:28:32.320
of boxing phobia. And I don't want to be boxing phobic. That's why I believe that all sports are equal.
00:28:39.880
Could you give me a couple examples of Western policies today that are driven almost entirely by
00:28:45.560
suicidal empathy? Pretty much every single policy, both at the domestic level and at the foreign
00:28:51.980
level. Let's do domestic. So, immigration. We are a rich country. Why would you not want illegal
00:28:59.040
immigrants who need the health care for you to provide it? We're not such people, not under my
00:29:06.660
watch. Therefore, when 20 million people are led in by the noble Biden administration,
00:29:12.520
it is our responsibility now to grant them health care. Now, by the way, people try to rewrite history.
00:29:20.020
No, no, no. Democrats never said that. Well, unfortunately, there's this guy, Gassad, who does
00:29:24.520
this thing called research. And I can find the place where they said that. So, at the primary
00:29:31.700
process, and I think it was 2019, the Democratic primary process, there were, I think, 15 candidates.
00:29:39.880
And when someone, when the moderator said, who here would support free health care for illegal
00:29:48.000
aliens, all 15 put up their hand. That seems like relevant data. That seems like incontrovertible
00:29:55.580
data. Yes, all 15, not 13 out of 15, all 15 did it, right? So, that would be suicidal empathy because
00:30:03.060
there's this thing in life called a fixed budget, right? Unless you print money, in which case you
00:30:09.220
end up with runaway inflation. So, if you have a fixed budget, you have to make cost-benefit decisions.
00:30:15.020
You have to make trade-offs. Those trade-offs would be, how much money do I spend on Americans for their
00:30:21.960
health care versus noble MS-13 gang members from El Salvador? Well, if you're a Democrat, you think that
00:30:29.880
that's the type of bigotry that we don't believe in in the United States. Let's do it. Let's do
00:30:34.760
criminality. You know, this guy who was arrested for dousing a woman on fire, you know that the guy
00:30:41.560
had only had, I don't remember the exact number, so forgive me if I get it off by a few. He only had
00:30:46.380
17, 74 previous arrests. I mean, are we really going to be the type of intolerant society that doesn't
00:30:54.320
give a guy, by the way, who's black? So, first of all, are you going to blame him for his personal
00:31:00.260
agency when he comes from a history 300 years ago of slavery? So, first, he's a victim of slavery,
00:31:08.300
even though he lives in a world where there's never been any slaves, nor there's never been
00:31:14.060
any slave owners. He's still, through intergenerational trauma, he's a victim. So,
00:31:18.520
now you're going to doubly victimize him by saying, hey, Johnny, you have to pay the consequences of
00:31:25.040
your action. That would be the type of white supremacy that we won't have here. So, when he
00:31:29.980
has been literally arrested 74 times, why don't we give him another chance, right? So, I just gave you
00:31:36.320
open-door immigration policy. I just gave you the penal thing. How about this one? You decide you want
00:31:44.200
to go and get a lesbian dance therapy undergraduate degree at Oberlin College at $100,000 a year. Now,
00:31:53.000
as far as I know, when you went to get the loan, there wasn't someone with a gun to your head that
00:31:59.500
said, sign this thing, right? I'm pretty sure that's not how banks lend out money. So, you did it.
00:32:06.120
Therefore, you made the trade-off, the cost and benefit trade-off, and said, it's well worth the money
00:32:13.720
and I'm willing to take it. Okay. So, then you get your lesbian dance therapy degree, you're $400,000
00:32:20.440
in debt, and then now you're stifled with capitalistic, disgusting debt. Well, Joe Biden,
00:32:29.580
a man of the people, a kind person, an empathetic person, is going to erase student debts. Isn't that
00:32:36.820
kind? Because it really is like that. The way the monetary system works is if you just say,
00:32:43.540
don't worry about it, it's erased, it just disappears. Nobody will pay for it. Well,
00:32:49.280
actually, that's not true. The welders and the electricians and the farmers will have to do double
00:32:56.100
shifts to pay through their taxes for the lesbian dance therapy. But why are they such assholes? Why can't
00:33:03.680
they do the double shift so that they pay? That's empathy, right? You don't, when there are rapid
00:33:11.640
drug boats leaving a particular place where we know that's where drugs are sent, in the middle of the
00:33:19.180
night in a speedboat, right? And you bomb it. What kind of monster are you? Don't you know that those
00:33:25.660
are Venezuelan tourists who were going out for late night tuna fishing? And now you're just randomly
00:33:33.140
killing them. That's not good. By the way, if you see me being extra spicy and pissed, it's because I am
00:33:39.240
pissed. Because I am 61 years old. I escaped the biggest hell growing up with the childhood that I
00:33:46.940
have. And now we are all together recreating that which I escaped for our children and their
00:33:54.760
grandchildren. If we look at history, we can see a pattern that Jews just want to be left alone.
00:34:01.180
But for some reason, the world refuses to accept that. Could you elaborate on that? Maybe speak a little
00:34:07.080
bit about your childhood that you just brought up. So I'll start with the childhood and then I'll answer
00:34:11.940
your other part. I was, we were, my family, my immediate family was part of the last remaining
00:34:17.320
Lebanese Jews. Wow, it's funny. It's as if Jews have been in the Middle East forever. That's, I did.
00:34:22.700
Because I found out through my Columbia University class that Jews all come from Salt Lake and from
00:34:29.900
Vienna. But apparently they also, they've always been in the Middle East. But anyways, and way,
00:34:35.260
way before, thousands of years before Islam. But we don't want to worry about those kinds of pesky
00:34:40.340
details. So I come from Lebanon. I'm Jewish. Arabic is my mother tongue. We're Arabic in every
00:34:46.640
conceivable way with the food we eat, through the music we listen to, and so on. We happen to be Jewish.
00:34:52.100
My parents were part of the very last dwindling community of Jews that had steadfastly refused
00:34:59.680
to leave Lebanon. And I say my immediate family because my extended family had read the tea leaves,
00:35:07.180
had read the writing on the wall, and knew that it was getting increasingly precarious to be Jewish.
00:35:12.920
And they had left well before the Civil War. And so my immediate family, so my grandparents had already
00:35:18.640
left. Much of my aunts and uncle, everybody had already left. So there was just my parents. But
00:35:24.520
even my brothers and sisters had left Lebanon by the time the Civil War broke out. So there was just
00:35:31.080
me. When the Civil War broke out, I was 10 years old. And so I spent the first year of the Civil War in
00:35:37.160
Lebanon. And then luckily, we were able to escape and leave. And so I grew up in a country that I always
00:35:43.580
try to explain to people. It's not as though every day we were running for our lives because they were
00:35:48.660
coming to kill us. But the genocidal Jew hatred was everywhere. But it was kind of like the famous
00:35:57.600
maxim, the banality of evil, right? And I explain those examples in the parasitic mind. So for example,
00:36:04.000
the first time that I remember ever seeing, you know, baffling Jew hatred was when I was five years
00:36:10.520
old, almost six. 1970, Gamal Abdel Nasser, the president of Egypt, who was revered throughout
00:36:17.140
the Arab world because he was a pan-Arabist, trying to unify all the Arabs as sort of one entity,
00:36:23.140
passed away. And as often happens in the Middle East, and increasingly so in the streets in the West,
00:36:28.420
when you're upset about something, you take to the street and you do all this kind of
00:36:32.420
fervor, lamentations, you scream and all this kind of stuff. By the way, the word Hamas means
00:36:39.080
fervor, okay, in Arabic, okay? So as the people were going down the procession down my street,
00:36:46.140
what I could hear as a five-year-old was death to Jews, death to Jews, I mean in Arabic. And I turned
00:36:52.080
to my mother and I'm like, well, why are they screaming death to Jews? Shut up, put your head down,
00:36:57.560
don't let anybody see you, right? So that was the first vivid memory I had of being
00:37:02.320
exposed to that. When I was about eight years old, this is before the civil war starts,
00:37:06.440
the teacher says, each of us get up and tell us what you want to be when you grow up.
00:37:11.040
I want to be a policeman, I want to be a doctor, I want to be a soccer player. A kid gets up,
00:37:16.040
a kid that knows that I'm Jewish, a kid that I've gone to school with for many years and says,
00:37:20.520
when I grow up, I want to be a Jew killer, right? To everybody's laughter and raucous applause
00:37:27.480
and so on, right? There are many, many of these stories. My brother, one of my brothers had been
00:37:31.820
Lebanese judo champion for several years in a row. And this is before the civil war, of course.
00:37:37.160
And one day he was visited by some men who said that it was time for him to, you know, retire,
00:37:42.780
which he wasn't willing to do. He realized that his judo career would now be over in Lebanon
00:37:47.440
because it's shameful for a Jew to keep winning the Lebanese championship. And so then he ended up
00:37:52.960
moving to Paris, France to pursue his judo career. When we then emigrated to Canada,
00:37:57.580
that same brother ended up representing Lebanon in the 1976 Montreal Olympics. So the same guy who
00:38:06.480
suffered from the fatal disease of being Jewish, we were able to look away from this problem because
00:38:12.940
now he could represent with the Lebanese flag at the 1976 Montreal Olympics. So, and there are many,
00:38:18.880
many other such stories. My parents were kidnapped and tortured by Fatah in 1980 on one of their return
00:38:25.800
trips. And I could go on for the next six hours. So the reality was that it was impossible to be
00:38:30.720
Jewish in Lebanon. So we ended up leaving. So my knowledge of the area doesn't only come from
00:38:38.340
having taken courses in the Middle East at Columbia University, in which case I would have learned
00:38:44.000
that the Jews are evil and Islam is peaceful. I lived and breathed it. And it's not that I was then
00:38:50.040
11, came to Canada and we stopped being Lebanese. At home, we speak Arabic, right? So until I became
00:38:57.900
famous enough that people were unwilling to speak to me openly in Arabic because they know who I am and
00:39:04.200
my positions, the stuff that I would hear from those very peaceful people that would speak to me in
00:39:10.780
Arabic in Montreal, right? So I'm 22 years old. I meet a guy, we're playing soccer. He doesn't know
00:39:17.060
my background. He doesn't know who I am. He knows that I'm Arabic. He speaks to me. The stuff that I
00:39:22.620
hear about the Jews would make Goebbels, Himmler, and Hitler say, this seems a bit too anti-Semitic for
00:39:31.320
me. Look, I'm Adolf Hitler. I hate the Jews. I mean, you can't find someone who hates the Jews more than me.
00:39:38.220
And even by my standards, some of the stuff I'm hearing, it's a bit too much. Can you tone it down,
00:39:44.300
Ahmad, with the Jew hatred? And this is why for many, many years, I've been warning the West as I saw
00:39:51.340
what was happening in every street corner. And now many people write to me and say, oops. And sometimes
00:39:57.320
the people who are writing to me are government people. It's not just a friend who played soccer
00:40:01.580
with me. They say, oops, I guess we should have listened to you. So to your point, there is something
00:40:06.380
unique in the mix of the Western ethos that turns out to be also its weakness. And I'll make one more
00:40:13.420
point. And thank you for giving me so much time to expand on my positions. Not just the Muslim
00:40:18.020
Brotherhood. Many, many Muslim leaders have said, we're going to conquer the West through three means.
00:40:24.560
And the third means is going to speak to your question that you asked. We're going to conquer
00:40:29.760
the West through the womb of our women, right? The West doesn't even produce enough women,
00:40:35.880
enough children for replacement rates. Replacement rates around 2.17. Depending on the country,
00:40:42.040
it's substantially less. So you could literally enter it into a demography equation to know what
00:40:49.000
the outcome of that will be in 20 years, 30 years, 100 years. The womb of the Muslim woman produces a lot
00:40:55.840
more. So we can actually know if nothing else changes when the lines will cross. Okay. So number
00:41:02.440
one, we're going to conquer the West through the wombs of our women. Number two, we're going to conquer
00:41:07.820
the West through hijra. Hijra is the Arabic word for immigration. Muhammad himself did hijra from
00:41:15.100
Mecca to Medina, right? So now how beautiful is it when you actually open the door to us in the millions,
00:41:22.680
right? Because you're kind and tolerant. Okay. So number two, number three, to your original
00:41:28.060
question, we will conquer the West by using your miserable freedoms against you. They're screaming
00:41:35.700
at that. They're not hiding it. They're standing on top of the mountain telling you, and then what
00:41:41.480
does the West say? Nah, come on. They don't, that's not, don't believe that. It's, it's really due to
00:41:46.980
climate change that this is happening, right? So that's the problem. And that's why maybe more
00:41:52.800
than in other interviews, maybe you caught me on a day when I'm even, you know, even though I'm
00:41:57.480
smiling, I'm so frustrated because look, if the, if your physician tells you, I'm very sorry, God,
00:42:04.240
God forbid this were to happen. You have cancer. We have to solve it. There is a way for us to solve
00:42:09.060
it. There is no such thing as cancer, doctor. And as a matter of fact, that's a Jewish plot.
00:42:14.300
And it's the Jews who put the cancer and they're the ones who've got the cure for the cancer, but
00:42:19.940
they won't give it to me. So I don't have a problem with cancer, doctor. It's the Jews that
00:42:24.700
are the problem. That's what you're seeing in the West. No amount of evidence that they could ever face
00:42:30.940
is even hinting at the possibility of them reconsidering some of their positions. If anything,
00:42:37.080
they're double and tripling down. And I hope God willing to live long enough, inshallah,
00:42:42.240
or maybe I shouldn't hope to live long enough. But I know that even if you and I avoid what's
00:42:47.380
going to happen down the line, our children won't and their children won't. Many, many years ago,
00:42:51.800
my wife had told me, well, why do you, it's, you don't have to be the one standing up always and
00:42:56.900
screaming while everybody else is, you know, you've done enough. You know, who can, let's just sit back
00:43:01.520
and enjoy our lives. I say, well, because now we have children, right? I could, within my lifetime,
00:43:07.300
I can go live in Bermuda and I'll be safe. But what about your children? So I'm doing it for
00:43:12.900
your children and their children. I want to speak a little bit about Israel. Is Israel's existence
00:43:17.940
an affront to Islam or is it merely a Palestinian-Israeli issue about land? Can you speak
00:43:25.660
about that a little bit? It's 100% the former, not 98 to 2%, 100%. Let me explain here the concept.
00:43:35.100
In Islam, the world is a duality. By the way, there is this thing for your viewers called Google.
00:43:42.740
If you don't like Google, there's this thing called ChatGPT. You don't like that, you can go to
00:43:46.680
Grok to check the things that I'm saying. So in Islam, there is Dar al-Harb and Dar al-Islam. Dar is
00:43:54.600
like the salon, the house of. There's the house of war. Harb in Arabic is war. There's the house of war
00:44:01.200
and house of Islam. Any country that's under the dominion of Islam is under the house of Islam.
00:44:08.700
It's good. Any country that's not under the dominion of Islam is literally, canonically,
00:44:15.800
under the house of war. And we know what happens with war. Remember the river with the two sides of
00:44:21.360
the tribes? Okay. Now, it's actually more than that. Any land that has ever been under Islamic dominion,
00:44:30.280
but then was lost, is canonically Islamic land and must be returned to Dar al-Islam, right? And why?
00:44:40.640
What are examples of that? Inshallah, we shall reconquer Al-Andalusia. Al-Andalusia is today
00:44:48.700
in Spain. Spain, that's a Catholic country, isn't it? So why are those guys, I can look at a million
00:44:55.440
articles and clips where they're saying Al-Andalusia is ours, because there was a time where Islam ruled
00:45:03.400
Al-Andalusia. And therefore, once it is under our dominion, it's an affront to God, to Allah,
00:45:10.820
that it is now no longer under Islamic rule. Now, this land called Israel, while ancestrally,
00:45:18.040
if we go back to the original provenance, we can point to the Jews. But then there was, there were
00:45:23.480
many, many periods where it switched hands to many different groups. And at one point, it was under
00:45:29.520
the dominion of Dar al-Islam. So now, I can't accept that there is a thing called the Jewish entity here,
00:45:37.780
right? Now, you don't have to listen to what I say, right? You can just go to, by the way,
00:45:44.160
one of the problems that people have in trying to, if it's Joe Smith that says, check out this clip by
00:45:51.200
this Hamas leader, then somebody rises and says, but you're a moron. You don't even speak Arabic.
00:45:56.220
It's a bit more difficult to say that with me, right? And therefore, I'm a bigger problem, because
00:46:00.920
it's going to take a lot more of your bullshit before you get to delegitimize me, right? So I can
00:46:07.300
confirm that what the Hamas guy is saying, and there are 74 million of them, when they say,
00:46:13.740
wait, this has got nothing to do with land. We cannot have the Jews there. There cannot be a
00:46:19.280
single Jew. All the Jews have to be killed. Even if they're not in Palestine, we will kill them,
00:46:25.620
because this is what's in our noble Quran. So when this guy is saying that, and he's an imam
00:46:31.680
from Al-Azhar University, for your viewers who don't know, Al-Azhar University is the center of
00:46:38.960
Sunni Islam. It's the place where the biggest Islamic scholars would have been trained. It's the
00:46:45.240
formerly Harvard, now Harvard sucks, but we would say it's Harvard and Oxford, right? Of the
00:46:51.860
jurisprudence and Islamic theology. So when that guy is saying that, is he misunderstanding Islam?
00:46:59.120
Is he not a true representative of Islam? But your friend in the Democratic Party called Joe Smith
00:47:06.640
is the real representative of true Islam? So to answer your questions, to summarize it,
00:47:12.200
no, there can't be any Jews in that land. We want the entire land. Now, there are periods of time
00:47:20.280
where we will tolerate Jews, yes? Because imbeciles will write to me and say, well, if it was so
00:47:26.720
tough for you, how come you lived there for 11 years? Wow, what a brilliant comment. I mean,
00:47:32.800
if the guy died of a heart attack, how come all the previous days before the heart attack,
00:47:38.780
he hadn't died of a heart attack, right? I mean, how could you say you're going to die of cancer today
00:47:44.280
when 10 years ago, you hadn't died from cancer? That's brilliant. John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer,
00:47:51.160
is really not a bad guy. Because if you count the total number of days that he's lived, it's only a
00:47:57.180
minuscule 0.01% that he killed 30 people. So if you look at the totality of John Wayne Gacy,
00:48:03.540
he's actually a very nice guy. So that's what we mean by Islamic tolerance. Of course, minorities have
00:48:10.260
existed under Islamic rules, but they exist as dhimmis. They exist. Be quiet and know your place,
00:48:17.860
Jew. Be careful with that Star of David. Don't antagonize me with it, okay? So that's what we
00:48:24.280
mean by it. So it could well be that you could have one beautiful land shared by Palestinians and Jews,
00:48:32.320
but that peaceful coexistence will only be something that I accept as long as I have my
00:48:39.520
boot on top of your neck. Always know your place, Jew. You mentioned that you speak Arabic,
00:48:44.520
of course, and you understand what they're saying in Arabic. From what I hear, Al Jazeera,
00:48:48.980
for example, in Arabic, they say something, and then on their English channel, they have something
00:48:54.020
else. What do they say in Arabic over there? And why is it so different than what they say in English?
00:48:59.580
Well, I mean, Yasser Arafat, right? The guy who created the whole illusion of Palestine would do
00:49:06.460
exactly that, right? It's this side of the mouth and that side of the mouth. When I'm with my
00:49:12.740
folks, then the real stuff comes out, the real goal, the real objective, the real plan. But I know
00:49:21.160
that that's not going to be palpable to Western ears. So I modulate. I mean, to that general question
00:49:28.740
you're asking, this is how you turn it into love Jews. I just hate Zionists, right? Because by the way,
00:49:38.040
it's now very, very quickly changing that it is becoming increasingly permissible to openly hate
00:49:46.460
Jews. So for example, I came to the West in 1975. It went many, many years where you would never see
00:49:55.900
publicly, openly a proud hatred of Judaism, of Jews. Now it's returning, but not fully, right?
00:50:05.820
Therefore, that's why we always say, no, no, no, no, no. As a matter of fact, I have Jewish friends
00:50:11.520
myself. I love the Jews. I just hate Zionists. What do you mean by you hate Zionists? Well,
00:50:17.000
do you mean that Jews can't live on their own land and be able to? No, no. Zionism is much worse than
00:50:23.440
Islam. It's conquering the world. Zionists are devils. They're worse than Nazis. So that's what we mean
00:50:29.740
by two sides of the mouth. That's being Machiavellian in your intelligence, right? You realize that
00:50:36.160
different audiences expect different modalities to how you deliver your message and you adjust
00:50:42.340
accordingly, right? And so there are many fluent Arabic speakers that are not, many of them are
00:50:48.640
Muslim or ex-Muslim, but that hate that stuff, that will exactly explain this, right? Where they
00:50:55.000
will go to a site where it's all in Arabic, they'll take it, and then they take the same person as you
00:51:01.200
said and show you how it's just utterly, completely different, right? And so all that I can say about
00:51:07.760
that is that they know how to play the game. And contrary to the West, that doesn't know how to play
00:51:13.160
the game. And I'll mention here a point from Suicidal Empathy. I have a chapter which I call
00:51:18.220
cultural theory of mind. And let me explain what that means. Theory of mind is a part of cognitive
00:51:25.820
empathy. Theory of mind is what I mentioned earlier. For me, you and I have to have a meaningful
00:51:29.960
conversation. I need to put myself in your mind and vice versa. The way that you diagnose a child
00:51:35.800
as being autistic is you give them a theory of mind test, which they fail. There is no blood test that
00:51:42.420
you can give to diagnose autism. It's done through actually completing a task. And autistic children
00:51:50.880
fail on theory of mind. Why am I saying all this? Because I took this principle of theory of mind and
00:51:56.720
the lack of theory of mind, and I applied it at the cultural level. So the unit of analysis is rather
00:52:03.380
than an individual, it's a culture. And I argue that part of the cluster of suicidal empathy is to lack
00:52:11.220
theory of mind. What does that mean? It means that you're unable, you, the West, are unable to
00:52:18.700
modulate a message, not understanding that the way your interlocutor will understand it to mean
00:52:26.320
what you meant it to mean. Example, the West is going to be magnanimous, compassionate, kind, tolerant,
00:52:34.720
generous, and empathetic. You ready? Here is how we're going to hear it in Yemen and in Iran.
00:52:41.220
Iraq and in Algeria. Weakness, weakness, weakness, weakness, weakness, weakness. So you see how we
00:52:48.160
spoke parallel to each other, not simply in that we speak different languages, because we're not
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speaking different languages. We're both speaking in English now. But we're speaking at different
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modalities of cultural theory of mind. And therefore, what I'm saying as a beautiful virtue,
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you're interpreting as feminized weakness. This is why in Arabic, they would tell me the West is a
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woman to be mounted. They don't tell me anymore because they recognize me. But in the past, we're
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sitting together after soccer, and they're making fun of the West and all of the things that they're
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pulling off. And they say the woman is a woman to be mounted. The Arabic expression is quite colorful,
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but I'm sanitizing it in this way, right? Because their mindset, to your point, they're not reading
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the cues that you're sending them. So that's what those guys are doing.
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We see that Qatar, on the one hand, like you said, they're partners with Hamas, they're helping them.
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And on the other hand, they're the mediators, peace mediators. On the other hand, they're,
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you know, friends with America. And they're like speaking from all sides of their mouth. Is that,
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to what you said before, is that the game that they're playing?
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It is the game that they're playing, of course. What amazes me, it's, I don't want to presume,
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I mean, it would be really pessimistic to presume that every single Western leader is that idiotic,
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but I almost can't help but think that they truly are this idiotic, right? Because I often, I mean,
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I obviously have connections in very high places, and I will speak to them. And as I speak to them,
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it's as if their world has been revolutionized. And I'm always thinking, what world do you live in?
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Like, how are you not able to connect those dots? Well, it's because their brains have been hijacked
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by parasitized ideologies, bathing in suicidal empathy. Now, the good news is, some of them,
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I could administer a mind vaccine, and I can bring you back. But boy, it's getting late in the game,
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right? Because how many more things have to happen before it becomes an untenable situation? So yes,
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of course, Qatar is doing this. But maybe we ended on a positive, optimistic note. There are also a lot
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indicators that suggest that other folks in that region are waking up themselves. They want to,
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you know, join the global family. They want to somehow stay true to their heritage while, you know,
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defanging some of the craziness. So there is, I think, hope. I've always said that there is a richness
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in the Middle East in terms of some of the values of the Middle East, honor, hospitality, right? Truly
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deep friendship, that if we can eradicate some of the ideological obstacles that have turned this
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gorgeously rich region, and I don't mean because of the beautiful topography. There are unique
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cultural elements to the Middle East that are so uniquely beautiful that, my God, we would unleash
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so much goodness from that region. I mean, one of the things that I've always fantasized about
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is to return to Lebanon, is to show my children which school I went to, is to have them learn to be
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fluent speakers of Arabic, right? I don't fancy, I mean, I would love for them to also speak fluent
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Hebrew. But my first instinct is not to say, I want to take them to Hebrew University so they learn
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Hebrew. Because while I'm Jewish, I'm not Israeli. I'm from Lebanon. So Arabic is my tongue. So if we
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can get rid of all this nonsense and hate, I think the Middle East would be one of the richest cultural
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Just I want to thank you for your time and thank you for everything that you're doing for, you know,
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the world. Where can people find you and more about you and find your books? Anything you want to plug?
00:56:56.220
Thank you. I appreciate that. So I'm all over social media. On X, just my name, Gad, G-A-D-S-A-A-D.
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I have a show called The Sad Truth. I posted both on YouTube and Sad Truth, S-A-A-D, not, right?
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Also, I posted on podcasts. I uploaded on X. In terms of books, of course, they're all available on Amazon.
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My forthcoming book, Suicidal Empathy, they've now, they, meaning my publisher, have put the placeholder
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so it should be available for pre-order probably in the next month. And so I hope that you go out
00:57:31.980
and get it. It really is important if I could just make one final plug. People think, well,
00:57:36.180
I'm going to buy it when it comes out. That's great. Wonderful. But if you actually pre-order,
00:57:41.480
there is a unique benefit that you provide in doing so because all of the pre-orders are held
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until the first day of the book's release. And then when the book is officially released,
00:57:53.500
all of those count as sales. So let's say 10,000 copies had been pre-ordered. So then on day one,
00:58:01.740
there are 10,000 sales. Now it enters very quickly the bestsellers list and that then becomes an
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avalanche. So pre-ordering your copies really helps to make sure that the book receives its due
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Everybody go ahead and get your copy. Thank you again.