The Debacle at GB News- Laurence Fox versus Ava Evans (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_588)
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Summary
Gad Saad weighs in on Eva Evans, Lawrence Fox, and Dan Wooden's take on why men are more prone to suicide than women, and why we should care about it. He also discusses a recent paper by him, and the role of victimology in perpetuating the "victimology" narrative.
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Hi everybody, this is Gad Saad. I'm a bit late to this party, but I wanted to briefly
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weigh in on the Lawrence Fox, Eva Evans debacle that took place at Great Britain News. So
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let me just summarize at least what I know of the story and then maybe offer some comments
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and thoughts. So Eva Evans is someone whom I didn't know until this story broke. She's
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apparently a staunch feminist who's often made comments that are detrimental to or derogatory
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toward men in general. And she had appeared last Monday, I think, on a show where they
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were discussing suicide. And she seemed to be quite dismissive of the idea that given
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that men, there are different estimates, but the global male to female suicide ratio is
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three to one for men, meaning men on average commit about three times or succumb to suicide
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three times more than women. Now to give you a sense of how powerful that effect is, when
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you're talking in science about an odds ratio, if you say that giving a placebo pill versus
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an actual pill resulted in a 1.2 odds ratio, like the effect is that, that means 1 to 1.2,
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meaning it's 20% more effective. So 1 to 1.2, this is 1 to 3. So it's a massive effect that
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you seldom see. And so men are committing suicide at an average rate of three times higher than
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women globally. Now I published a paper back, let me just read it for you. I published a paper
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in a medical journal. The journal is called Medical Hypotheses, 2007, volume 68, page 692 to 696.
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I will put the link to the paper that I, of my paper. It's, it was a paper looking at some
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evolutionarily relevant metrics that might explain why around the world, the male to female
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suicide ratio might be different. In some countries it might be six to one, in some countries it might
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be 2.3 to one. And I was arguing that an evolutionarily relevant metric that relates to
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social status is going to be uniquely important to men from an evolutionary perspective. And so
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what I did is I took data from the World Health Organization to look at suicide data around the
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world. And then I also had World Bank data regarding, regarding some economic, you know, metric. And then
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I correlated these to show that as economic conditions worsen the, the, the, the male to
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female ratio worsens. Okay. So it was applying an evolutionary lens to understand some of these
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sex differences in this case as applied to suicide. The title of the paper is Suicide Triggers as Sex
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Specific Threats in Domains of Evolutionary Import, Negative Correlation Between Global Male to Female
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Suicide Suicide Ratios and Average Per Capita Gross National Income. And as I said, I will put
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a link to this paper if anybody wants to go see it. Why am I mentioning all this? Because
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it is certainly a deeply problematic global reality to know that men commit suicide at a rate of
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three times more than women. Now, it is true that women attempt suicide more often, but men are more
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successful in completing that objective. And so in the political discussion that was taking place on
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the, that show where Eva Evans was dismissing, so someone was saying, well, you know, there, there seems to be
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some unique challenges that we need to look at in terms of why men are much more prone to commit
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suicide. And in the same way that we tackle certain realities that are uniquely challenging to women,
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it might make sense, for example, to come up with, I can't remember the terms they use, like a ministry
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of men or something. And she was very, very dismissive in a, in a truly callous and inhumane way,
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right? I mean, what, why should we care only about men? This is about mental health issue and so on.
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Because again, I, I don't know her well, but if I can generally explain this victimology mentality,
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whenever you usurp the full victimology from a quote, marginalized group, then members of that
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marginalized group get very angry. So in this case, she apparently has built a career on, you know,
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women being the victims. And therefore, now that you come along and say, but here's a context where
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it is overwhelmingly men who are suffering. Well, then that's not, that doesn't fit the narrative.
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And therefore you scoff at it, you mock it. Well, we don't need any special attention to men.
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So now here comes Lawrence Fox, by the way, who, who's been on my show, I think twice I've been on his
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show. And he's chatting with Dan Wooden, who's, uh, another person who works at Great Britain news.
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Uh, I, and I think I've been on his show maybe once or twice. And actually just earlier that last
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Saturday, I had been on Mark Dolan's show for the first time, who also is a host at Great Britain news.
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Uh, and Lawrence Fox was basically saying, uh, some really, uh, punchy things about Eva Evans,
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including he used, you know, certain, some language and some, some ideas that, uh, I, I must say are
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probably ones that, uh, he shouldn't have used. He said he was, he was basically so repulsed by her,
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so disgusted by her. He said, well, you know, which incel would ever want to, I think he used
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the British term, shag her. Uh, now it could well be that he's just exhibiting his sort of moral,
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uh, repugnance at how she had reacted. I still think that it was ill-advised. Uh, I don't think
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that the discourse should have this kind of language, whether you find her desirable enough
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or not to, to be intimate with her has nothing to do with the fact that she was callous in her
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position. So you could make that point without using, and by the way, don't, you know, it's not
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as though I'm this little Victorian prude who can't handle, uh, locker room talk, but you know,
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you are in a public forum. You are someone who has a certain privileged position in society. I'm
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speaking now about Lawrence and it would have been maybe better if he had not used that example.
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But that said, Lawrence went on the attack. He is a honey badger. He is someone who doesn't
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suffer fools gladly. And he, he posted some tweets from her, some screenshots of tweets. So here's one
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from her from January 19th, 2022. I will continue, this is from, uh, Eva Evans, who also, I guess,
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goes by name Eva Santina. I will continue to wear my mask on the tube to protect myself from the
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most powerful virus of them all men. So she's able to go on a public forum and say that the greatest
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virus known to, and I, I believe me, I understand all about hyperbolic humor. I recently got into
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trouble for, uh, making a hyperbolic joke about the, uh, auditory unattractiveness of the French
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Canadian accent. But in this case, you know, this is true to form in terms of how she's very feminist
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and, you know, she, she's always fighting against men and the patriarchy and so on. So I will continue
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to wear my mask on the tube to protect myself from the most powerful virus of them, all men, meaning
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she, she'll hide maybe herself because men are such pigs. All men perhaps are rapists. All men are
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predators. All men are viruses. So that's one. So she can say that, but he can't go and hyperbolically,
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and again, I, I would not have, uh, advised him to use such language and such, uh, prose, but he did,
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uh, and he was angry. Okay, let's go on. Then speaking about the point about the shagging,
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he then, he meaning Lawrence, finds a whole bunch of places where she used the shag term.
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So I live by a church that has been ringing bells since 9 a.m. Please, how do I make it stop? He's
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not going to shag you. And then she answers someone else, some guy, I'm not going to shag you, pal.
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Lawrence isn't going to shag you, mate. I'm not going to shag you, mate. Again, she's answering someone
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else. So she can go on the record in a public forum and say to a wide assortment of men,
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I'm not going to shag you. You're unworthy of being shagged. But when Lawrence does it,
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he loses his job. Now, Dan Wooten, who, with whom he was having the conversation, because he,
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I guess, didn't walk away in, in, in, in abject indignation because he smiled and so on. Then he was,
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I don't know if he was suspended or fired by proxy. He didn't exhibit the right level of repulsion
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at what Lawrence was saying. So he was then let, let go or suspended. And then Calvin Robinson,
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whom I also know, who's an absolutely lovely guy, who's been on my show, refused to go on Dan
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Wooten's show if Dan Wooten wasn't going to be the host or something to that effect. And he was
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suspended. So basically, Great Britain News is suspending any, anyone in sight. Oh, the, the,
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the great three grammar teacher of one of these three people, put her in prison by proxy, right?
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It's a form of orgiastic hysteria. So what are the key lessons here? Number one, in a fair society,
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people are punished in the exact same way for a, uh, uh, if they break the law or break a norm.
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There is no preference given to people who are tall or short or atheists or believers or men or women,
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right? That's why lady justice in general is blind, but that's why our moral code, our etiquette code
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has to also be blind. It's not, if you're a woman, you can get away with calling men viruses,
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the worst of viruses. And you can use exactly the thing that got Lawrence Fox into trouble,
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which is, I'm not going to shag you. I'm not going to shag you. But the minute that he uses it,
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then he becomes persona non grata. He's a disgusting, vile creature that must be excised
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from the public square. Now that also says something else. It says that if I'm speaking
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now to the feminist Eva Evans, if men and women are equal, of course they should be equal under the
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law, but if they're equal in their abilities to navigate, for example, through the public arena,
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then women should not need extra protection when someone uses this, I consider it to be inappropriate
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and, you know, vulgar discourse, which is I'm not going to shag you. If it's inappropriate for him
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to use it on you, which I think is inappropriate, then it's certainly inappropriate for this lady
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to be using it on men. It can't be that she gets a pass, but he doesn't. Because then that is no
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different from Sharia law. Islamic law, as I explain in the parasitic mind, precisely recognizes
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that a crime, the punishment for a crime depends on the identity, the religion of the perpetrator
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and the victim. Muslim man kills a Jewish woman is not the same penalty as a Hindi woman killing a
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Muslim man or, you know, whatever permutation you want. So that's the problem with the progressive
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calculus. When it creates these hierarchies of victimology and marginalized groups, you're exactly
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abiding to the tenets of Sharia law. What makes the West great, again, are these deontological
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principles that are inviolable? We're all equal in terms of what is expected of us, both in terms of
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proper discourse, proper etiquette, following the law. There is no difference if you're a man or a
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woman. It's not if you're a woman and you speak in a vulgar manner about men, you get away with it.
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But if it's the other way around, you don't get away with it, right? And basically that argues in a
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in a very, perhaps not so subtle way, that women are delicate flowers that can't handle then that
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discourse. When a woman gives it to a man, he's supposed to brush it off and move on because a strong
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woman is going to fight for her position. When a guy uses the exact same language on a woman, then suddenly
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he becomes Himmler. This is not good. So to summarize, in my view, it was inappropriate for Lawrence to
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use that kind of prose. I think it debases the discussion for absolutely no reason. He could
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have made his position known without talking about, you know, she's unattractive to be shagged and so on.
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I don't think that he should, you know, he should be able to receive a reprimand from
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GB news, perhaps get on and say, Hey, I apologize. That was crude and vulgar and in poor taste of me.
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And I apologize, uh, unreservedly for what I said. And then we hug it out and we move on. There needs
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to be a way for there to be a path for someone who makes a mistake to redeem themselves. And again,
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uh, what happens with the ultra purist progressive woke mob, the cancel culture is that there is no way
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to, uh, seek penance, right? You're out, you're dead, you're executed, so to speak, not executed
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literally, but your career is executed. You need to be removed from society. And now she goes on a
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victim tour. She's been, she's receiving death threats and violence and she's a victim and I'm
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more victim and victim. If I showed her the number of death threats that I received for all sorts of
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reasons, uh, I'm willing to bet that I would score much higher than her in terms of actual victimology.
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So there you have it. Let's step back people. Let's be fair. Let's be reasonable. Let's be proper
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in our public discourse. But if Lawrence Fox is going to be fired, then by that exact same
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calculus, there is no reason why this lady should not have been fired long ago. In my view,
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neither should be fired. Neither should engage in, engage in this kind of discourse. And we should be
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adult enough and anti-fragile enough to handle when people use language that is otherwise inappropriate
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and vulgar. Have a good evening, everybody. Take care. Ciao.