The evolution of anti-Semitism in Canada with Brian Lilley (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_693)
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Gadad Saad is a successful YouTuber, a columnist with the National Post, and a professor at Concordia University in Montreal. In this episode, he talks about the anti-Semitism he has seen on the streets of Canada since October 7th, 2019.
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The anti-Semitism that we've seen on the streets of Toronto, city streets across Canada, around the
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world over the last seven, eight months has been truly shocking. We knew anti-Semitism was there,
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we just had not seen its ugly face to the degree that we're witnessing it now. Hi, my name is
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Brian Lilly, political columnist for the Toronto Sun, joined today by the Gadfather. Gad Saad is
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a professor at Concordia University in Montreal. He's a successful YouTuber, a columnist with
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the National Post. You've seen them everywhere. And if you haven't, well, then this is going
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to be quite the good introduction for you. Gad, I wanted to have you on because following
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you online and seeing you talk about it, you know, I can talk about anti-Semitism and the
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impact it's having. But I'm not Jewish. You know, anti-Semitism is not a Jewish problem.
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It's a problem for non-Jews like me. But you deal with the impact of it. And you've got
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a unique perspective, having lived in Montreal with a strong Jewish community for so long,
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having, I believe you said your family came to Canada from Lebanon at age 11. Just talk
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to me for a little bit about how much things have changed since October 7th. And, you know,
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with the Hamasnik campers and the protesters and the tentifadas and all of that.
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Yeah, well, first, thank you so much for having me on, Brian. Look, as you mentioned,
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I grew up in Lebanon. We were part of the last dwindling community of Lebanese Jews that had
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steadfastly remained in Lebanon, even though my extended family had left Lebanon because the
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writing was on the wall, that it was rather dangerous to be Jewish in the Middle East. But
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Lebanon supposedly was the Paris of the Middle East, was a more tolerant and progressive place.
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And so my family had stayed until we could no longer stay because the civil war started and it
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became impossible to be Jewish in Lebanon. So then we escaped to Montreal, Canada when I was 11.
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And for the next 25, 30 years, I lived in Montreal. And of course, I also lived for a while in the States.
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I studied in the States and I was a visiting professor in several universities in the States.
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But much of my life had been spent in Montreal. But then about 20 years ago, I started seeing some
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ominous changes. And then I'll come to after October 7th in a second. And the ominous changes
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manifested themselves in many ways, but one of which was the very clear increase in the Islamic
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demographic in Montreal, as is the case in, for example, many places in Europe.
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In Quebec, it was specifically from former French colonies because they were purposely trying to
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And they were often going to places in North Africa, for example.
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Exactly. So imagine you take the Algerian extremists, fundamentalist extremists who fought
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against the Algerian government, but then lost that war. And then Quebec says, here's a great idea.
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Why don't we let them all in in the hundreds of thousands to Montreal? Because then if they
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eventually eradicate everyone in sight, they'll do it. But they'll begin by saying bonjour before
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they decapitate you. So as long as you're able to address the ones that you're about to kill in
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French, then all is well. It sounds as though I'm being facetious, but it's almost at that level
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of imbecility. And so what you end up having is a very, very quick change in the culture.
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And this is one of the reasons Montreal had a problem post 9-11 with, in the ISIS era,
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with a lot of recruits coming from there, a lot of extremism happening was because of
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where they had recruited new immigrants from, from areas where there had been wars, where
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Exactly. Now, while I noticed the very rapid Islamization in many areas of Montreal,
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life was still okay, was still reasonable. I didn't get attacked on the streets for being Jewish.
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Nobody bothered me at the university, even though I would get privately students come up to me,
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Jewish students at Concordia many years ago saying, hey, you know, we know of your profile.
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We know that you're Jewish. We know you're a high profile guy. I just want to let you know that I
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never wear my kippah or I never wear a Star of David at the university. And this is well, well before
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October 7th. But then October 7th happened. And here's the incredible thing, Brian. You would think
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that after 1,200 people had been butchered, raped, you know, decapitated and so on. I mean,
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there are only three things that could happen after such an event. Jew hatred can go down because
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you empathize with what just happened to Israelis. Jew hatred can stay the same or Jew hatred can
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increase. Well, lo and behold, Jew hatred has orgiastically and exponentially increased since
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October 7th. And I've certainly been a recipient of that Jew hatred. It's usually coming from
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three sources. There's, of course, the Islamic sources. There's also the neo-Nazi types, you know,
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Jews won't replace us guys who also writes and send me all kinds of really lovely messages.
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And then you get the academic progressive left types, you know, the Jews are Zionist,
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colonialist and so on. And so everywhere I turn, Brian, the Jew hatred is coming at me.
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Without any respite. So it's been quite a wake-up call, even for someone who grew up
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in the endemic Jew hatred of the Middle East. So is it reminding you of what your family finally
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said we can no longer tolerate? Absolutely. So now, look, it's not as though I can't walk down
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the street today and I'm as worried as during the full-blown Lebanese Civil War. But prior to the
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Civil War, so let me just give you a few stories from my childhood and then draw a corollary to
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what's happening now in Montreal. So when I was five years old, Gamal Abdel Nasser, who was the
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president of Egypt at the time, passed away in 1970. So I was five, about to turn six. And as so often
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happens in the Middle East, when something bad happens, then everybody rushes to the streets and
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these like sort of very protests with a lot of fervor and incantations and lamentations.
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And as people were proceeding down my street in Beirut, I was hearing death to Jews, death to Jews,
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I mean, in Arabic. And so I turned to my mother, I said, what, why are they calling for the death of
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Jews? The Egyptian president just passed away, you know? And she's like, shh, just put your head down.
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Don't, don't, don't make yourself seen. Second, very quick story. I'll tell you a couple of more
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stories and then I'll, I'll, I'll link it to Montreal. Second story, when I was about nine or
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10 years old, this is, so this is one year before the Civil War started. The teacher asks the kids
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to stand up and tell us what they want to be when, when we grow up. And so, you know, I want to be a
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policeman. I want to be a doctor. I want to be a nurse. I want to be a soccer player. And then one kid
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goes up and says, when I go grow up, I want to be a Jew killer to raucous applause and laughter. Now,
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this kid knew that I was Jewish. This is before the Civil War. Story three, my brother, one of my
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brothers who's 10 years older than me had been Lebanese champion in judo for several years in a
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row. And so he was, this is again, before the Civil War, before 1975. It became too shameful for a Jew
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to be Lebanese champion in a combat sport. So he was visited by some men who told him that it was
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time for him to retire, lest there might be an unfortunate accident that happens to him. Well,
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here is the irony of life, Brian. In 1976, you might remember that the Olympics happened in Montreal.
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So in 1973, 1974, he's forced to leave Lebanon to pursue his judo career in France. In 1976,
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he represents Lebanon and the Montreal Olympics. So the guy who was too Jewish in 1973, 74,
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we can overlook that he was Jewish in 1976 when it was important for him to carry the Lebanese flag at
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the Montreal Olympics. One more quick story, and then I'll link it to Montreal.
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As we, by the way, all of these stories are told, forgive the shameless plug, but it's important for
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your viewers and listeners. They're all discussed in the parasitic mine in chapter one, because I'm
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trying to lay the ground for what happens to a society that is ruled by identity politics, which was
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the case in Lebanon. Any case, the day that we're leaving Beirut to emigrate to Montreal, Canada,
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end of October 1975, as we clear the airspace of Lebanon, the captain of the plane says, okay,
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we've now cleared Lebanese airspace. My mother puts a pendant around my neck with a star of David
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and says, now you can wear this and not hide your identity and be proud who you are. Now let's link
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it to Montreal. 2023, about two weeks after October 7th, my wife picks me up with one of our children,
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our son, who had just played a soccer match in the east end of Montreal. As I walk into the car,
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she had just picked me up from a cafe where I was working on my laptop. My son looks at me and says,
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daddy, if you had been where I just played soccer and you were wearing a star of David,
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you'd be dead. He said it at almost the exact same age that I was in 1975. In 1975, I leave Lebanon and
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I can wear a star of David. In 2023, I better take off the star of David in Montreal. That hopefully
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answers your question of what it's like to be in Montreal today. You still work at the university.
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You still go there, correct? So luckily, I'm currently on sabbatical leave, which basically
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means that I don't have to report for any administrative or teaching duties. So I've had
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a six-month respite from campus, but September is coming around and let me tell you, it seems
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untenable. So we'll see what happens. So I've worked in Montreal while you were away for a few years
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and I saw the beginning of the anti-Semitism at Concordia and where you work would be ground
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central. So those videos that so many people have posted of students being attacked at Concordia,
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you know, forget the tentafata at McGill. These are students inside university buildings being attacked
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because they wear a kippah or a star of David, or they've put up a poster for the hostages.
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How do you not end up filled with anger and rage?
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Well, I am. I try to be pragmatic and optimistic and try to keep fighting the good fight. Try to keep,
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you know, I wake up every day trying to wake people up. But let me tell you, it's very hard not to be
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angry and disillusioned. A couple of months ago, I had a Zoom chat with a senior administrator at my
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university who told me, in the exact same way that I'm looking at you right now via Zoom, there is no
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such thing as Jew hatred at Concordia. So the level... So it's... So their head is in the sand.
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Exactly. And then, of course, about a month after that Zoom meeting, the president of my university
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is summoned on Parliament Hill to give testimony and admit that, oh, yes, no, there is major Jew hatred at my
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university. So, look, this is not to imply that, you know, every single person walking around on the
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university campus is, you know, a rabid hater. But you don't know who's a hater and who's not. You don't know who's
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going to cause you trouble or not. So... My guess is it's a small minority. But a friend of mine who
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works in the polling business likes to say small numbers can be big numbers. And the first time he
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said that to me, he said, well, what do you mean? He said, well, if just 5% of Canadians are raging
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anti-Semites, that's still 2 million adults. Well, let me... That's a lot of people to be worried
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about it. Let me contextualize that number in a much more negative way. There is, you know,
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Pew, the Pew polling outfit are certainly, they're non-partisan, respectable outfit that does
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global surveys on all sorts of issues. I think it was in 2010, they took a survey across many Islamic
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countries, exploring the... How the people of different countries, so it could be Egypt,
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could be Syria, could be Lebanon, could be Pakistan. What do they feel for the Jews, right? Now, your
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friend, the example that you gave, you said, well, you know, if it's 5% of Canadians that are anti-Semite,
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boy, that's a big number. Well, let me contextualize that number for you, Brian. Across all those cultures,
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anywhere, well, not every single one of them, some of them were in the 70s, but in many cultures,
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it was 95 to 99% of the surveyed people had endemic Jew hatred, well, towards the Jews. So let me
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repeat that. So if I sample 1,000 people, 950 of the randomly sampled people exhibit negative views of
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the Jews. So now let's see if we can close that circle. If I let in hundreds of thousands of people
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into my society that hail from those cultures, does it take a fancy professor to predict whether
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Jew hatred will be on the up or down in Canada? So, oh my God, Jew hatred is up in Canada.
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Well, there's the two sides, and we'll talk about the other side in a minute, that being the academic
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side. But I mean, my major issue with how the current government has dealt with immigration and
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multiculturalism is their view of multiculturalism does not include standing up for Canadian values,
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unless Canadian values means voting liberal. And so there is not the push to say,
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I should come to Canada, you leave your old hatreds behind. Now, my parents came here from Glasgow,
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that's a city that was a mini Belfast at one point, with the hatred, the violence.
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They did not associate with an awful lot of Protestants in Glasgow. Guess what happened when
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they came here? They did. You left your old hatreds behind. My neighborhood was filled with
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people who came from conflict zones. They left their old struggles behind. We don't tell people
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to do that anymore. And when Ontario Premier Doug Ford suggested that a little while ago at a news
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conference. Oh, my goodness, you're blaming immigrants for violence. You're, you're horrible.
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You're racist. That's part of what is going on in Canada right now. Right. So a couple of things to
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unpack there. Multiculturalism, small m, could be a very good thing. So for example, if I say Concordia
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as a multicultural campus, well, that's nice. And that there are people from many, many, there's a rich
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tapestry of ethnicities, of languages, of cultural heritage, and it adds a vibrancy to the place.
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That's good. Multicultural with a capital M as a political philosophy, as, as originally enacted by
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the, the, the father of the current prime minister is a terrible idea because it is actually founded
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on a idea pathogen, a parasitic idea, which I discussed in the parasitic mind. And that idea
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of parasite is called cultural relativism. Cultural relativism says it is imperialistic of you to
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judge the cultural beliefs and the religious beliefs of another society. That's a form of
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colonization. It's a form of imperialism. Who are you to judge such things as honor brides or,
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I mean, honor killings or child brides or cutting off of clitorises of little girls. Don't you,
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you have no right to judge the ways of another culture. If you remember our current prime minister,
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when he was an MP and Stephen Harper was, his government was putting out a leaflet saying,
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these are certain actions that we don't tolerate in Canada because they're barbaric. If you remember in
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a very exaggerated manner, Justin Trudeau with his flowing hair went on camera and, and was very angered
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by the fact that he had used that Harper had used the word barbaric in describing those practices.
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He wasn't upset because those practices are barbaric. He was upset that someone referred to
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them as barbaric because this here you have language creates reality. We need to be empathetic in our
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language. Don't call people illegal, call them undocumented immigrants. Don't call people rapists.
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That marginalizes the noble rape community, right? And so we can get into Justin Trudeau if you want,
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but that whole idea of multiculturalism with a capital M comes from a dreadful political philosophy.
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If you come to Canada, you abide, as you said, by our foundational values. If you don't want to leave
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those at the door, then we'll send you back to where you came from.
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Yeah. Well, so I was just trying to look up the name, couldn't find it quickly of the gentleman I
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always, I used to use on, on TV years ago on this cultural relativism idea that all cultures are
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equal or that we should accept everything from all cultures. When the British ruled India,
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there was a practice of sati. If a man died, the wife had to be thrown on his funeral pyre and be
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burnt to death. And I wish I had his name, but the British governor, local governor said,
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stop this. And they said, well, that's our custom. We're going to do our custom. And he said,
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in my country, our custom is to hang men who kill women. So you keep your custom and I'll keep mine.
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And guess what? The practice ended. I'm not going to say that it ended completely. I'm sure it was
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still practice elsewhere, but they weren't openly throwing women on top of the burning heap of their
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husband's funeral pyre. The idea that we just accept all cultures. I mean, that is a parasitic
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idea, but part of the parasitic mind. So. And by the way, it comes originally. So in the parasitic
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mind, in my 2020 book, I, I describe all of these parasitic ideas and I explain where they originate
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from regrettably, as I sit here as a three decades long professor, all of these dreadful ideas come
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from academia because it takes intellectuals to come up with some of the dumbest ideas.
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Well, this particular one, cultural relativism comes from Franz Boas, who was a anthropologist
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at, if I remember Columbia University, this is about a hundred years ago. And many anthropologists
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had seen that biology can be misused by all sorts of cretins, right? So social quote Darwinists,
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British class elite has said, Hey, we're the upper class. You guys are the lower class. If you die out
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in your tuberculosis laid laden neighborhoods, well, who cares? That's just natural selection. That's just
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the Darwinian struggle. The Nazis came along later and said, Hey, there's a natural struggle between
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races. Sorry, Jews. Sorry, gypsies. Sorry, homosexuals. You lost out in the Darwinian race.
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Hey, it's only natural that we exterminate you. And so because all sorts of miscreants misused
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evolutionary theory, anthropologists decided, well, what if we were to create a new vision of what
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human behavior looks like that completely rejects the fact that human beings are biological beings?
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Because if you accept the fact that human beings are biological beings, that means there is a shared
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biological heritage. There are absolute moral truths. But if we say that everything is relative,
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all cultures are relative, everything is idiosyncratic, there is no such thing as a human
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or moral universal, then we can reduce the likelihood that people will misuse biology in the future. So in
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the service of what originally seemed like a noble goal, you end up murdering and raping truth in the
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service of that goal. And what I argue in each of those parasitic ideas, it always starts off as a
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noble goal, right? So for example, radical feminism started off as equity feminism. Well, equity feminism
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basically says, hey, men and women should be treated equally under the law. There is no reason why a man
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should be paid more than a woman for the exact same job. Based on that tenet, you and I would say,
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yeah, sign me up, I'm an equity feminist. The problem then comes when radical feminists say,
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well, in the pursuit of eradicating the sexist patriarchal status quo, let's now promulgate the
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idea that men and women are indistinguishable from each other, that there is no such thing as an
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evolutionary-based sex difference between men and women. It's all due to social construction. By saying
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that, maybe we could get rid of the patriarchy more quickly. So it starts off in a noble manner,
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and then it metamorphosizes into complete gunk.
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So how then did the academy become so anti-Semitic? Because if you listen to the old anti-Semitic tropes,
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well, Jews control the university, and Jews control the media. Let me tell you, if that's true,
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you're doing a really bad job of a cat, because, you know, both the academic world and my world of media
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filled with anti-Semitism. So why are you doing such a bad control, bad job controlling all these
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things? No, on the serious note, how did the academy, the academic world become so anti-Semitic?
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So there are several possible explanations here, and several of them work in tandem. So
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in terms of the current strain of, you know, the Zionists, you know, we love Jews, it's just we
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hate Zionists, wink, wink. There what you're doing is, there's been about 30, 40, 50 years
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of infiltration within the political science departments, or some departments they're called
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Near East Studies, or in the past they used to call them Oriental Studies, meaning the Mid-Orient,
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the Middle East. All these programs have been completely hijacked by one narrative. And let me
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summarize that narrative for you so that I can save your children $80,000 a year from being
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parasitized at Columbia University. Until 1948, Jews and noble, peaceful Palestinians lived hand in hand
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together, walking around, singing John Lennon's Imagine. It was all beautiful. There was nothing
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but love in the Middle East. Then in 1948, there are some really, really nasty white Zionist colonialists
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who came from Europe, because Jews have absolutely no ancestral claim to that land. There is absolutely
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no evidence that Jews have ever existed in Judea, right? And so therefore, they came there. And then
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since 1948, they've been involved in a systematic genocide and eradication of the noble, peaceful
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Palestinian people. But although their population has grown fivefold during that time, so not only are we
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really bad in leading the academy, as you were joking earlier, we also suck at committing genocide,
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because the population has grown fivefold. So if you are a moronic, lobotomized 20-year-old
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who walks into a classroom, and that's what's being taught to you, well, what do you do then? Is it
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surprising that you would wear your KKK keffiyeh and go out and say, free, free Palestine? Because you have
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absolutely no clue. Your professor told you that the Jews have these really nasty Zionist tanks,
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and the Palestinians only have slingshots to fight with you, right? You're not told the rest of the
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story. So that's one type of Jew hatred that comes out of academia. Another one that's not necessarily
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specific to only academics, here I'm going to get psychological for a second, there is a mechanism
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in psychology called the self-serving bias. The self-serving bias is the idea that human beings
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have this uncanny ability of attributing successes internally and failures externally. So I did really
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well on the exam because I'm a smart guy and I studied hard. On the other hand, if I did very poorly
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on the exam, well, that's because Professor Saad is a mean guy, he's a Zionist, he's a Jew. That's why I did
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poorly. So you can understand why people have that self-serving bias because it's an ego protection
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mechanism. All successes are because of my disposition. All failures are because of the
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outside world. Now imagine if you can use the Jew as the ultimate source of all your failures,
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the external, right? So if you get diabetes, it's the fault of the Jew. If your wife just cheated on you,
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it's because it's the Jew who put those lascivious ideas in her head because Jews are the ones who
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peddle pornography. So this is why I've created a game called Six Degrees of Jew. It's similar to Six
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Degrees of Kevin Bacon. But what I do basically is I offer you a calamity and I give you up to six
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causal links to link it to the Jews. So let's play the game if you want. Okay. Okay. Bizarre game, but okay.
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An Amazonian frog just died in the Amazon. Please blame the Jew in six or fewer steps. Maybe you
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won't be able to come up with it, but believe me, I post these on social media and people play along
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many times facetiously and they always are able to blame the Jew in six or fewer steps. Can I just say
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one more thing and then I'll turn this? Yeah. So let me give you an example of how that actually
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operates, not facetiously. So I put up on social media. So are you familiar with the British grooming
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gangs? Euphemistically called grooming gangs. Okay. So up and down England, all over from very small
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towns to larger towns, Huddersfield, Rockdale, Rotherham, Oxford, everywhere, up and down, Newcastle,
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everywhere. There are for the past 25, 30 years, industrial scale level grooming and gang rapes of
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young white British girls by Asian men. They're Asian, but by the way, I'm also Asian. I'm from
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Lebanon, but they're, they don't mean Asian Jews, right? Because it's a euphemism for men of a certain
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religious ideology. Okay. So I put up a, uh, uh, not lineup. What do you call the mugshots? The mugshots
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of the gang. I think they're called the gang of 20 of Huddersfield, which is a small town in England.
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Now, just to summarize for you, their names, it's Muhammad, Ahmad, Ahmad, Muhammad, Ahmad, Ahmad,
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Ahmad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Hussein, Hussein, Muhammad. So I put this up on
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social media and I said, I'm not smart enough to be able to see what, what unifying theme there is
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across these men. Could anybody help me? Guess what? A lot of people wrote to me, not facetiously,
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who did they blame? Oh, you. Why? Because you're Jewish. No, but, but why? What, why is it when
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three Mohammeds gang raped the British girl, it's Mordechai to blame? Why? I have no idea. It's
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because it's the Jews who operate behind the scenes in an open border cabal. So who let them, but by the
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way, that's, that's, that's insanely false, but never let facts get in the way of a good Jew.
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They're claiming that these grooming gangs, which are real, that they, you know, I've had people deny
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them for years. That's why I have to say they're real, that, that they exist because of an open
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border policy pushed by some Jewish cabal in the background. Absolutely. Same thing in Canada.
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Same thing because, so I'll give you one example of that argument. George Soros is a Hungarian Jew,
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although, you know, Jew in quotes, not much of a Jew, but okay, he's, he's Jewish. He was an acolyte
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of Karl Popper, who was a Jewish philosopher who started the whole movement of the open society.
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And therefore, with his billions of dollars, George Soros is pushing the idea of the open society.
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So ultimately, the, the, the causal machination behind the fact that three Mohammeds raped your
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daughter can always be linked back to the Jew, right? Now, of course, by the way, that's insanely
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false in that it's not true that when it comes to British immigration, it's the Jews that were,
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you know, pulling the puppeteering string or that it's the case in Canada. And by the way,
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I'm Jewish and I'm anti-open door policy. So why do you take the example of the one Jew who is for
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open border, but you don't look at the Jew who's anti-open border, but again, nothing, no facts will
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stop the Jew hating. And that's, what's the most disconcerting part of this post-October 7th is that
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there is no amount of professorial evidence that I can offer the Jew hater to get him to even
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reconsider his position. Anything that I say is only proof of how much of a scheming, diabolical
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parasite I am. How can you win under such an environment?
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So what do you do and how do you respond? I've talked to a bunch of friends, acquaintances,
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people I've just met over the past several months as they've been dealing with the increase,
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the openness of it. And I've seen you post thought bubbles or questions about this.
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Do you leave Canada? Do you leave North America? Um, you know, I've heard some people say, well,
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Israel's safer. That is objectively not true at the moment. You may feel safer, but there's still a
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war going on. You've got Hezbollah about to launch a full scale attack, but I understand the, the desire
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to say, Hmm, maybe it's time to leave here. Where is your head at on that?
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Well, thank you for that question. I've sat with my wife at exactly that same cafe where earlier I,
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I told you that they were picking me up one of my kids and my wife, and she's looked at me and said,
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where to next God? Now imagine that in the 21st century, a Canadian professor who's been fighting
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for Canadian values, you know, you know, freedom of speech, equal rights. I mean, all the things that
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any classical liberal person, true liberal, not liberal in the Justin Trudeau sense, but a true,
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you know, individual dignity, meritocracy, all of the values that we would think have been enshrined
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within the Canadian ethos. A professor who's been here since 1975, now looks at his wife,
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I'm speaking of myself and says, I think it's time for us to leave. And, and I'll say this,
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you know, it's, it's not a secret. My wife and I have been trying to leave for many years now. And,
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and there is actually now some, some escape strategies that are opening up for us.
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Is that a good thing? Do you think it's, I mean, and I don't, I don't mean, I'm not trying to toot my
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own horn as if like, oh, if God were to leave, it's a loss for Canada. But if God leaves and 7,000
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other people who would add value to Canada leave, and they're replaced by people who come from societies
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that would not be defending Canadian values, the way God's side is, would that be a net benefit to
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Canada? Well, to Justin Trudeau, it certainly would be a net benefit. But to the average Canadian from
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whom I received beautiful letters of gratitude and kindness, that's not a good thing. So to be honest
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with you, I don't see our future being in Canada, because I think that the demographic realities are
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such now that it is only going to get worse. And anything that is to reverse those trends would
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simply be too cataclysmic for Canada to ever implement. I only see us doubling down on our
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insanity. That's why, by the way, my next book is called Suicidal Empathy. Because what happens in
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many of these progressive policies, it always starts with a misdirected, misdirect, miscalibrated
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sense of empathy, right? I mean, who are we in the United States to stop the noble Guatemalan and
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El Salvadorian gang members to come into the United States? Don't they have as much of a right to
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experience the American dream? Well, no, they don't, right?
00:34:14.220
Exactly. But see, that's racist of you, because now you're implying that all El Salvadorians are
00:34:24.420
Exactly. So all of these policies, whether it be policies for the homeless, whether it be
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immigration policies, whether it be penal policies in terms of how often should a felon get a 75th
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chance at life, all of these policies are rooted in suicidal empathy. Empathy is great. As an
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evolutionary psychologist, I study why emotions have evolved and why they can be adaptive. So there is,
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there is room for envy and empathy and compassion and all of these emotions to exist within the
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repertoire of the human mind. But the problem arises when empathy misfires, right? When empathy
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is directed to the wrong target. You and I have evolved to be, to differentiate between jumping in front
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of a bus to save our own biological children than to save a random kid. That doesn't make us callous.
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It makes us an evolutionary being. So yes, I want to save all children, but it makes perfect adaptive
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sense for me to love my child more than a random child. That's why I have a lock on my front door,
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because while I am empathetic to the homeless, I recognize that I can't let them all into my home.
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That doesn't make me a nasty, callous person. It makes me a Darwinian being that's able to
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distinguish between whom I should met this empathy for. The Western progressives don't have that
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ability to modulate their empathy. That's why we are in the quagmire that we're in.
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And why you, along with so many others, are questioning whether they're going to stay here.
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Gad, it makes me sad to hear that, but I do thank you for your time. You've been very generous.
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We've probably gone well over time, but it was a great conversation. We'll continue to follow and
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interact online. Do find them on X and on YouTube and elsewhere. Thanks so much.