The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - October 01, 2024


The Intent to Exterminate the Jews - The Key Currency of Morality (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_718)


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6 minutes

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789

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50

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No serious person would argue that the Allies were more immoral than the Nazis and their allies in World War II. No rational person would think that. It's the intent that matters, not the "aims" that matter. Israel has the equal moral right to kill as many Palestinians as they do.

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00:00:00.000 Hi everybody, this is Gadsad. Earlier this year, I appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast. It was my 10th appearance and I explained in quite a bit of details various aspects of the ongoing Middle East crisis.
00:00:18.240 At one point, I discussed the meaning of asymmetric lives lost and whether that is the relevant currency when judging the morality of the war.
00:00:32.140 Let me explain it again because I think some people are having a hard time understanding it.
00:00:37.240 Let's suppose that you have the following two crimes.
00:00:40.440 One person commits involuntary manslaughter, vehicular manslaughter, and they kill four people.
00:00:48.620 So there are four people dead.
00:00:50.680 Another person takes out an insurance policy on their spouse, hires a hitman to kill that person.
00:00:58.980 So it's premeditated murder with pecuniary needs or pecuniary pursuits, meaning trying to kill for money.
00:01:06.220 And it turns out, though, that the hitman is an undercover police officer and therefore the plan that was hatched doesn't end up coming to fruition.
00:01:20.460 So in one case, you have four people killed.
00:01:22.820 In the other case, you have zero people killed.
00:01:24.780 And yet, in the latter case, that person is likely to receive a much more severe sentence, despite the fact that four is greater than zero.
00:01:36.860 You follow?
00:01:37.660 Because there is this thing called intent, right?
00:01:41.400 In one case, it was involuntary manslaughter.
00:01:44.420 In the other case, it was premeditated murder with pecuniary goals.
00:01:51.420 And therefore, even though no one was killed, it's a greater crime.
00:01:56.380 It's a more immoral crime.
00:01:58.600 It's a greater criminal infraction.
00:02:01.720 So now when it comes to Israel versus the Palestinians, the fact that the Israelis end up killing more Palestinians when they retaliate doesn't in any way.
00:02:13.200 No human being that has three neurons firing in their brains would say that that's the currency that matters, right?
00:02:23.160 There were many carpet bombings during World War II where on any given day, the Allies killed more people than the Germans.
00:02:32.620 The Americans dropped two bombs on Japan where most of the people who were killed were innocent civilians.
00:02:43.020 Yet, no serious person would argue that the Allies in general and the Americans in particular were more immoral than the Nazis and their allies Japan and Italy, right? 0.64
00:02:58.300 Because in Israel's case, it is not intentionally trying to kill people.
00:03:04.900 Now, the reality is that it's impossible to take out fighters, terrorists on the Palestinian side without ever harming anyone.
00:03:19.720 Every single innocent life lost, by definition, on any side of any war is a grave tragedy.
00:03:29.040 So no, no serious person, no moral person would rejoice at the death of any innocent person.
00:03:36.420 But if you hide in schools and hospitals underneath mosques, if the only way that the Israelis can get to you is that at some points there will be loss of innocent lives, but they try to mitigate it in ways that no army has ever done in the past. 0.64
00:03:58.200 So yes, if you use the count of who killed more, then when Israelis retaliate and kill more, then if that's your currency, then yeah, okay, sure. 0.89
00:04:09.960 But no person who has any ability to reason beyond that of a three-year-old would think that.
00:04:17.800 Now, let's apply it to the current reality with the Iran launching all those rockets. 0.95
00:04:23.340 Let's suppose that the Israelis did not have the Iron Dome protection so that those rockets that are launched on major metropolitan areas were to successfully penetrate into Israel and detonate within Israel.
00:04:39.480 Then in that case, hundreds of thousands of Jews would die.
00:04:44.180 Is it only then that Israel would be allowed to retaliate and kill as many people from the other side? 0.95
00:04:51.620 Of course not.
00:04:52.500 No serious person thinks that.
00:04:54.960 No decent person thinks that.
00:04:57.060 No moral person thinks that.
00:04:59.060 No rational person thinks that.
00:05:01.360 It's the intent that matters.
00:05:04.360 One side is intent on exterminating the other. 0.55
00:05:10.020 The fact that they fail doesn't mean that when you retaliate, you should only kill as many as their failures.
00:05:18.380 That's not how war works.
00:05:20.320 Did you follow that or should I say it in Arabic or would you prefer that I say it in Hebrew for you?
00:05:27.040 Or do you want me to say it in Francais?
00:05:30.920 Do you get it?
00:05:32.500 It's intent that matters.
00:05:34.380 Hamas. 0.99
00:05:35.380 Hamas' charter states that their fundamental intent is to eradicate Jews. 0.97
00:05:41.420 The fact that they were only able to kill, butcher, decapitate, rape 1200 doesn't mean that Israel has the equal moral right to only kill, rape, and maim 1200. 0.97
00:05:55.960 But once they get to 1201, it becomes too much.
00:05:59.840 That's not the mechanism.
00:06:02.300 That's not how the axiom of rationality works.
00:06:05.500 Have a good day, everybody.
00:06:08.280 Have a good day, everybody.