The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - October 06, 2026


The New President-Elect of the APA is An Immeasurable Woke Idiot (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_1057)

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00:00:00.640 Hi everybody, this is Ghat Saad. I found out yesterday that the new president-elect of the American Psychological Association, the APA, which is a really venerable institution, at least historically speaking, not so much anymore.
00:00:18.060 i've you know attended many of these apa meetings i've presented my work at some of these meetings
00:00:25.120 division 23 of the apa used to be the society for consumer psychology and so obviously given my work
00:00:34.280 in consumer psychology psychology decision making evolutionary psychology apa is one of the really
00:00:40.360 important meetings huge meeting thousands and thousands of psychologists of all types
00:00:46.880 some kooky stuff but also some very serious people so you would think that the president
00:00:53.660 elect of such an august organization would be someone with just impeccable credentials yes
00:01:01.000 so i first went ahead and i went to apa to look at their list of past presidents now some of these
00:01:08.580 names i won't have time to go through all of uh you know the the background of these people but
00:01:13.840 you know, just jot down their names if you'd like, or maybe I'll even, you know, give you the link to
00:01:18.960 where I got their names. These are really historical academic psychologists that are truly
00:01:24.800 some of the absolute elite of the behavioral sciences and psychology of different disciplines
00:01:34.200 psychology. So let me just mention some of the ones that caught my eyes. So Robert Sternberg is
00:01:41.040 somebody who has studied psychology of envy, among many other topics. He used to be the president
00:01:47.080 of Yale. So a well-known and well-respected psychologist. Philip Zimbardo of the Zimbardo
00:01:57.480 experiments at Stanford, the classic experiment where you put people in either as corrections
00:02:03.900 officers or as prisoners and then you see how they conform to the expected roles of each of
00:02:11.300 these two uh camps so philip zimbardo martin seligman uh i've interacted with him once not
00:02:19.000 a very pleasant guy but a very you know the pioneer of positive psychology and happiness research
00:02:24.780 donald campbell i'm reading here for you some of the past presidents of apa uh donald campbell
00:02:33.540 wrote a classic paper uh campbell and fisk paper on multi-trade multi-method matrix very very
00:02:42.360 important paper that very much relates to the what i talk about with nomological networks of
00:02:48.860 cumulative evidence how do you decide that a psychometric scale is exactly measuring what you
00:02:55.140 expect it to be measuring and nothing else and so on so there's a a procedure by which you can
00:03:00.360 validate such scales so donald campbell and also donald campbell campbell has done incredible work
00:03:07.020 in evolutionary epistemology very very important uh thinker philosopher albert bentura bendura one
00:03:15.380 of the biggest most cited psychologists ever george miller who famously did the work on
00:03:22.420 the structure of memory wrote a paper i think in the late 50s a absolute classic paper in cognitive
00:03:29.780 psychology. Abraham Maslow of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, right? Self-actualization, perhaps the
00:03:39.680 most famous of all humanist psychologists, was also president of the APA. Paul Meal, who studied
00:03:47.780 the difference between actuarial judgments and judgments made, you know, based on
00:03:58.220 people you know doing multi-attribute decisions uh huge psychology of decision making guy
00:04:08.600 donald hebb who was a neuroscientist did work that would eventually be important for
00:04:14.880 connectionism or artificial neural networks harry harlow he's the guy who did the research on how
00:04:22.100 If you put monkeys in an impoverished lack of nurturance, then they end up having all sorts of downstream behavioral problems and psychiatric problems.
00:04:37.100 uh lee crombach crombach's alpha is a way of establishing uh you know which which of many
00:04:47.460 items that measure a single construct you're going to keep and which ones you're going to remove
00:04:52.180 so typically a crombach alpha that's less than 0.7 means that you're not getting a very good
00:04:59.780 internal validity for that measure. So a huge guy, Carl Rogers, founding psychotherapist,
00:05:09.980 Gordon Alport, another classic guy, Lewis Thurstone, who was a huge psychometrician.
00:05:17.020 These are for any of you who, many of you may be bored by these names, but these are,
00:05:20.860 I'm mentioning all of these because these are really like, if you look at a history of
00:05:24.560 psychology history of behavioral sciences these are really august important thinkers and many of
00:05:32.120 them were huge public intellectuals john watson part of the school of behaviorism stimulus response
00:05:38.480 models edward lee thorndyke another huge guy william james the father of modern psychology
00:05:47.640 American psychology, William James, John Dewey, another one, James Baldwin, and then finally,
00:05:54.700 James Cattell, another very famous. Now, these are, as I said, you pick up any history of psychology
00:06:00.920 book, and their names are going to come up, some of the biggest thinkers,
00:06:06.420 certainly in the past 100 plus years. And now we're going to come to the president-elect in a
00:06:13.980 world of diversity, inclusion, and equity, where meritocracy is a form of white supremacy, where
00:06:22.340 intersectionality is really what's important. Are you queer? Are you Latinx? Are you two-spirit?
00:06:29.500 Are you indigenous? Do you have the right skin? You, meaning certainly not white, that is really
00:06:36.240 what determines whether you should be leading the APA, the American Psychological Association.
00:06:43.980 So the woman who just won that honor is Candice Nicole Hargens.
00:06:53.160 I've never heard of her.
00:06:54.660 She's an associate professor.
00:06:56.780 Usually, it's very seasoned people who get to lead these organizations, right?
00:07:06.020 Because, you know, you are serving as the head of the largest body of psychologists
00:07:11.940 in the world. And psychologists of all types, right? Educational psychologists, consumer
00:07:16.200 psychologists, evolutionary psychologists, cognitive psychologists, developmental psychologists,
00:07:21.860 social psychologists, physiological, biopsychological psychologists,
00:07:27.960 experimental psychologists, and psychometricians, clinicians, clinical psychologists.
00:07:37.100 So they picked this woman. She's an associate professor. Her PhD is from University of
00:07:41.720 Georgia. Not that we want to only argue that people that come from the biggest universities,
00:07:47.700 Harvard and Yale and Cornell and Princeton and Stanford should be the ones that get these
00:07:52.680 positions. But historically, the people who lead the APA, like the names that I mentioned to you,
00:08:00.220 are coming from the absolute most prestigious universities in the United States, if not the
00:08:04.620 world. She's from University of Georgia. Now, if you look at someone's H index, which measures
00:08:12.680 their influence in academia, and their total citations, and you look at hers, it's not
00:08:19.980 particularly impressive. She has 2,700 citations, an H index of 27. It makes her at best, you know,
00:08:28.240 an average associate professor, not bad, not too great. But now let's look at her
00:08:34.560 papers. Maybe I'm being unfair. Maybe she's done some really important work that has changed how
00:08:41.020 we view human nature. I'm just going to read a few of the papers that I found particularly
00:08:45.840 interesting from her Google Scholar page. You ready? Critical Consciousness of Anti-Black
00:08:52.620 Racism, a Practical Model to Prevent and Resist Racial Trauma, Black Lives Matter, a Call to
00:09:00.060 action for counseling psychology leaders. Superwoman schema, a context for understanding
00:09:05.600 psychological distress among middle-class African-American women who perceive racial
00:09:11.960 microaggressions. I mean, literally this person is a hyperbolic satire of all of the wokeness stuff.
00:09:20.700 Let's keep going. White people stress me out all the time. Black students define racial trauma.
00:09:28.480 imagine if you just reverse the races black people stress me all the time white students
00:09:35.160 guide to racial trauma you would be out of academia but she could write a paper on how
00:09:40.820 white people stress her and black people and that's that's academic research that is worthy
00:09:48.100 of you heading the most important society scientific society in psychology okay let's
00:09:57.680 keep going. Black psychology and whiteness toward a conceptual model of black trauma through the
00:10:03.800 prism of whiteness. Here's another one. It's happiness and relief and release, exploring
00:10:10.420 masturbation among bisexual and queer women. The relief and the release and the dopamine
00:10:19.260 associated with masturbation or any sexual pleasure is not something that is specific to
00:10:26.580 queer black women. It is a universal phenomenon that applies irrespective of whether I'm an
00:10:34.980 indigenous woman or a Lebanese Jewish guy or a Bolivian fat whatever, okay? It transcends
00:10:47.140 my identity, but even when it comes to the sexual release of masturbation, we incorporate an
00:10:54.500 intersectionality. This is a cancer to human knowledge. Let's keep going.
00:11:02.300 Listen to black women, the power of black women's collective sexual wisdom about strategies to
00:11:08.720 promote sexual pleasure and reduce sexual pain. There is something unique in the epistemology
00:11:14.620 of the minds of black women that allows us to pay attention to their narratives that is distinct.
00:11:21.820 If I were a Bolivian woman or a Japanese woman or a Yemeni woman or a Jewish Hasidic woman,
00:11:28.780 I wouldn't understand sexual pleasure as it comes.
00:11:33.400 When a black woman speaks about sexual pleasure, you shut up, bow your head, and you listen.
00:11:40.740 This is the president-elect of APA.
00:11:44.000 Let's keep going.
00:11:44.780 pronouns and experiences of misgendering among non-binary black Womxn, W-O-M-X-N. And if you're
00:11:56.420 thinking, oh, this was during woke 1.0 in 2020, this is a recent paper from 2024. Let me read to
00:12:04.080 you that title again. This is the head of the APA. If she's the head of the APA, I'm the head of the
00:12:10.980 fucking universe. Okay. Pronouns and experiences of misgendering among non-binary black Womixen.
00:12:21.240 Intersectional masturbation. A content analysis on female masturbation studies through a sex
00:12:28.380 positive and intersectional lens. Again, you can't understand masturbation unless you view it through
00:12:34.560 an intersectional lens. If you're indigenous, non-binary, and fat, it's a completely different
00:12:41.740 masturbatory experience than if you were, say, I don't know, some white Christian guy. That would
00:12:48.920 be disgusting. They cannot offer anything, but there's a unique wisdom that comes with understanding
00:12:57.440 the punani yeah what a degenerate dance movement therapy for black womxson a content analysis did
00:13:08.820 you hear that dance movement therapy for black womxson the biggest psychologist in the history
00:13:17.720 of the field of psychology some historical intellectuals led the apa now it's a black
00:13:27.680 punani expert that's running it and then finally my favorite of her papers make sure you wash
00:13:36.660 your monkey multi-generational vaginal hygiene messages from black women i'm guessing that
00:13:43.940 make sure you wash your monkey is a term for i don't know is it a vagina or is it a black vagina
00:13:52.880 i don't know is is is punani the same as monkey i'm not smart enough to understand these because
00:13:58.900 i'm i'm a guy attracted to women what do i know i'm an idiot and i'm just going to read for you
00:14:06.660 the abstract of this paper. It's in Health Communication, Reasonable Journal. In the United
00:14:14.080 States, the messages black women receive about vaginal hygiene are often rooted in misogynoir.
00:14:23.360 That's a word, misogynoir. As a result, black women across multiple generations may engage
00:14:31.840 and extensive vaginal hygiene practices that are harmful to their health as a means of decreasing
00:14:37.920 the potential for dehumanization or confirming racist stereotypes. The purpose of the current
00:14:44.160 qualitative study, wink, wink, qualitative study, as I speak to a bunch of fat black women,
00:14:50.920 and that becomes an autoethnography or whatever bullshit terms they use.
00:14:55.560 uh to explore yeah so the purpose of the current quality of study is to explore the messages for
00:15:01.360 generations of black women n equals to 12 12 people she spoke to 12 of 12 people received
00:15:08.400 about genital hygiene and grooming and the socio-cultural factors that influence these
00:15:13.960 messages reflexive thematic analysis was used to analyze the semi-structured interview data
00:15:20.140 the following themes were identified. One, a culture of silence. Two, knowledge acquisition.
00:15:26.080 Three, pressure to maintain black cleanliness standards. And four, gendered racist messaging.
00:15:32.900 And then it goes on and on. This is the abstract. Now, so it turns out that the idea of having good
00:15:40.260 vaginal hygiene is rooted in white supremacy, right? So that if black women are now engaging
00:15:47.340 in the process of, you know, I don't, what was the term she used? Washing my monkey. That becomes
00:15:54.300 a form of, you know, adhering to white supremacist standards because it's much, much better to not
00:16:02.700 have vaginal hygiene because only disgusting white supremacists might be interested in that.
00:16:09.240 So there you have it. This is the head of the APA. Wemmings, Latinx, Blacksynx, Punani,
00:16:20.900 Wash My Monkey, Intersectional Masturbation, Racial Microaggressions, Gender Pronouns.
00:16:29.200 This is who is going to oversee all of the discipline that tries to understand the human
00:16:37.640 condition. Have a good day.