The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - The Parasitic Mind & Suicidal Empathy (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad

00:00:00.000 I say, is it not true only women can bear children?

00:00:05.940 She goes, no, that's not true.

00:00:07.240 She goes, well, there is some Japanese tribe off some Japanese island

00:00:11.660 where within their mythological folkloric realm,

00:00:15.880 it is the men who bear children.

00:00:17.880 If you're too empathetic, you know,

00:00:20.160 we need to let in everybody into the United States

00:00:22.900 because everybody deserves an equal opportunity to flourish in the U.S.

00:00:26.380 Is it not true since time immemorial that sailors have relied

00:00:31.140 that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?

00:00:34.360 So then she says to me, what do you mean by east and west?

00:00:39.240 And what do you mean by the sun?

00:00:41.240 That which you call the sun, I might call dancing hyena.

00:00:56.380 I think the first thing I want to talk to you, doctor,

00:01:08.640 and I want to start by admitting something.

00:01:10.560 One of my biggest weaknesses, and we always made fun of it in my team,

00:01:13.900 is I'm extremely empathetic.

00:01:16.240 Okay.

00:01:16.520 Okay, so your interview with the gentleman we were talking about,

00:01:20.620 the CEO, diary of CEO,

00:01:23.380 and that interview was different to others

00:01:25.480 because it really went into personal topics.

00:01:27.860 Yes.

00:01:28.560 Men, families, relationships,

00:01:30.500 and that was a really difficult one for me to consume.

00:01:33.920 It went pretty deep.

00:01:35.600 Now, when my team criticized me

00:01:38.420 and I criticized myself for being too empathetic,

00:01:40.740 and I've got so many examples in my life

00:01:42.320 where I just go overboard to someone that's been harming me,

00:01:44.980 I kind of laughed it off.

00:01:49.340 But, you know, as I consumed your content,

00:01:52.220 I started realizing that empathy could end up being very dangerous.

00:01:56.460 Yes.

00:01:57.020 And it's something you've articulated in such an extremely good way.

00:01:59.880 You know, you've seen me and Elon and others

00:02:01.460 engage with your content so often

00:02:02.820 because you've been very good at articulating it,

00:02:05.660 especially for the average person to understand.

00:02:08.060 The first question I have for you is

00:02:09.300 the dangers or the other side of empathy,

00:02:13.440 like where should one be concerned

00:02:15.920 and empathy could go too far?

00:02:17.860 Right.

00:02:18.140 First, great to be with you, Mario.

00:02:19.740 Pleasure.

00:02:20.120 Nice to meet you in person.

00:02:21.280 We've done one remotely on my show,

00:02:23.680 so it's great to do it in person.

00:02:25.840 Look, the ancient Greeks had a very important maxim,

00:02:29.560 and it was everything in moderation, right?

00:02:31.680 Aristotle said that.

00:02:32.600 It's called The Golden Mean.

00:02:34.420 Too little of something is not good.

00:02:36.200 Too much of something is not good.

00:02:37.600 And you have to find the sweet spot.

00:02:39.140 My latest book, The Happiness Book,

00:02:41.320 I demonstrate that so much of our lives

00:02:44.140 are ruled by this inverted U.

00:02:46.380 Too little, not good.

00:02:47.260 Too much, not good.

00:02:48.420 It's good in the middle.

00:02:49.600 In the case of Aristotle,

00:02:50.720 he basically argued that,

00:02:52.080 look, if you take a soldier

00:02:53.060 who is very cowardly,

00:02:55.020 it's not good.

00:02:55.980 If you take a soldier

00:02:56.900 who's excessive in his brazen courage,

00:02:59.640 it's not good

00:03:00.240 because he's going to die very quickly.

00:03:01.960 It's somewhere in the middle.

00:03:03.460 So now we apply that exact principle to empathy.

00:03:06.780 Too little empathy or no empathy,

00:03:09.200 and you're a psychopath.

00:03:10.420 I mean, it is literally the definition

00:03:12.080 that psychopaths don't have any empathy.

00:03:14.560 For example, psychopaths,

00:03:15.960 many of them in their childhood

00:03:17.160 will exhibit great cruelty towards animals.

00:03:20.720 They torture them.

00:03:22.180 And then if you ask them,

00:03:23.140 well, what did you feel?

00:03:25.120 It's as if you're speaking a different language.

00:03:26.840 They don't understand what you're saying.

00:03:28.200 Well, what do you mean?

00:03:28.600 I felt nothing.

00:03:29.160 I was just torturing the animal.

00:03:30.920 So too little empathy is not good.

00:03:32.600 But to your point,

00:03:34.540 too much empathy is also not good.

00:03:36.360 At the individual level,

00:03:37.640 it's not good, right?

00:03:38.860 Because you end up being paralyzed

00:03:40.960 by being empathetic

00:03:42.320 in all sorts of situations

00:03:43.780 where you shouldn't be.

00:03:45.020 But at the societal level,

00:03:46.840 it's really not good.

00:03:47.760 Hence the topic of my next book,

00:03:49.340 Suicidal Empathy,

00:03:50.560 where empathy misfires.

00:03:53.560 And let me explain what I mean by that.

00:03:55.640 Take, for example,

00:03:56.540 obsessive compulsive disorder, right?

00:03:58.360 It makes perfect evolutionary sense

00:04:01.400 for us to scan the world

00:04:03.980 for environmental threats.

00:04:05.260 So if you, for example,

00:04:06.160 come in today,

00:04:07.220 you sneeze into your hand

00:04:08.520 and then you come out to shake my hand,

00:04:10.500 I'm going to say,

00:04:11.640 excuse me, Mario,

00:04:12.300 I want to go to the bathroom

00:04:13.260 just to wash my hands, right?

00:04:14.480 That makes perfect sense.

00:04:15.800 If on the other hand,

00:04:17.000 that mechanism misfires,

00:04:19.640 becomes hyperactive,

00:04:20.740 such that every morning

00:04:22.340 I end up spending six hours

00:04:24.120 washing my hands

00:04:25.400 with scalding hot water

00:04:26.960 so that my skin

00:04:27.980 is starting to fall off

00:04:28.980 and I can't make it to my job,

00:04:30.540 then it becomes OCD.

00:04:32.380 So in OCD,

00:04:33.980 when the behavior is regulated

00:04:35.680 within certain normal ranges,

00:04:37.820 it makes adaptive sense.

00:04:39.160 But when it misfires,

00:04:40.580 it becomes hyperactive,

00:04:41.780 it becomes a psychiatric disorder, OCD.

00:04:43.960 The exact same principle

00:04:45.140 applies for empathy.

00:04:46.720 If you're too empathetic,

00:04:48.900 you know,

00:04:49.220 we need to let in everybody

00:04:50.700 into the United States

00:04:51.960 because everybody deserves

00:04:53.360 an equal opportunity

00:04:54.520 to flourish in the U.S.

00:04:55.600 That's not how life works, right?

00:04:57.640 I am someone who is quite well known

00:05:00.440 when I had to go and get a job

00:05:01.940 in Michigan this year now

00:05:04.140 where I'm a visiting professor.

00:05:06.280 I had to go through

00:05:07.500 a rigorous set of paperwork

00:05:09.780 in order for me to enter

00:05:11.720 legally into the United States.

00:05:13.700 But suicidal empathy says,

00:05:15.600 no, no, no.

00:05:16.160 Anybody who wants to come in

00:05:17.660 and participate

00:05:18.320 in the American experiment

00:05:19.720 should be allowed to be let in

00:05:21.860 even if that causes

00:05:23.520 great domestic harm.

00:05:25.620 So what the book talks about

00:05:27.200 is what happens

00:05:28.580 to our public policy decisions

00:05:30.520 when empathy goes awry.

00:05:32.620 Right.

00:05:32.860 So you've made a few points.

00:05:35.500 One of the points you've made

00:05:36.540 is where too much empathy

00:05:38.340 is bad to the person

00:05:41.440 that's being too empathetic.

00:05:42.700 That one is easier to understand.

00:05:44.880 But you also said

00:05:45.320 how it's bad to a society.

00:05:47.780 Now, and use the example

00:05:48.720 of immigration.

00:05:49.280 It's one that's, again,

00:05:51.740 easy to understand

00:05:52.360 because when you make it easy

00:05:54.460 for anyone to enter the country,

00:05:56.300 then the people trying

00:05:57.280 to do it the right way

00:05:58.500 just feels very unfair to them.

00:06:00.520 And then they're incentivized

00:06:01.740 to break the law.

00:06:02.440 Like, hey, why do I need

00:06:03.240 to follow the law?

00:06:03.820 And that applies to any law.

00:06:04.940 But the question I have is,

00:06:07.060 is it bad for society as a whole?

00:06:09.620 So it's bad for the US.

00:06:11.560 And to be honest,

00:06:12.000 I'm obviously very critical

00:06:13.240 of the current lack of enforcement

00:06:15.300 for immigration laws in the States.

00:06:18.840 But is it bad for the rest of the world?

00:06:20.580 Is it bad for those in need

00:06:22.140 trying to get into the country?

00:06:23.980 Again, life is about

00:06:25.520 finding the sweet spot, right?

00:06:27.100 So let me draw another analogy

00:06:28.960 in evolutionary science,

00:06:30.800 which is my area

00:06:31.700 of scientific research.

00:06:32.760 It makes perfect sense for me

00:06:34.560 to have evolved the instinct

00:06:36.440 to jump in front of a truck

00:06:38.400 to save my children.

00:06:40.080 But I would be less likely

00:06:41.560 to jump in front of a truck

00:06:43.020 to save random children

00:06:44.900 that I don't know.

00:06:46.400 That doesn't make me evil and callous.

00:06:48.720 It makes me someone

00:06:49.700 who has evolved

00:06:50.820 the emotional and cognitive system

00:06:53.460 that recognizes

00:06:54.680 that I don't met out my investments

00:06:57.060 indiscriminately to everyone, right?

00:06:59.060 It doesn't make me a bad person.

00:07:00.680 It makes me a Darwinian being.

00:07:02.240 So for example,

00:07:02.780 I've done research

00:07:03.500 where I've studied

00:07:04.540 how do we allocate

00:07:06.000 our gift-giving budgets

00:07:07.360 in a given year?

00:07:08.400 Not surprisingly,

00:07:09.880 we do it in a very strategic way.

00:07:11.660 I'm much more likely

00:07:12.380 to give a larger gift

00:07:13.460 to people with whom

00:07:14.320 I share a lot of genes

00:07:15.460 than to my second cousin,

00:07:17.400 meaning that my emotional system

00:07:20.200 has evolved to be consistent

00:07:22.920 with some of these evolutionary benefits

00:07:26.320 that are reaped in me

00:07:27.680 investing in different types of people.

00:07:29.300 So yes, it's nice to be empathetic,

00:07:31.580 but I can't be indiscriminately

00:07:33.600 empathetic to everyone.

00:07:34.980 And it can't be that it misfires

00:07:36.980 such that the Guatemalan illegal immigrant

00:07:40.620 is more important

00:07:42.560 than the American vet.

00:07:44.340 That's an extreme...

00:07:45.300 I think that's like the peak

00:07:46.640 of how far it could misfire.

00:07:48.380 Can it get worse than this?

00:07:49.540 Like we've seen

00:07:50.280 how crazy things have become

00:07:52.380 in the US and Canada's even worse.

00:07:54.260 Yes.

00:07:54.620 Can you give us historical examples

00:07:56.260 where it got even worse than this?

00:07:57.960 In a suicidal empathy kind of way?

00:07:59.520 Correct.

00:07:59.940 Well, I would say

00:08:00.780 that this is probably

00:08:01.620 the apex of insanity.

00:08:03.300 The two books that speak about this.

00:08:04.940 The parasitic mind

00:08:05.940 was about what happens

00:08:07.760 to a human brain

00:08:09.300 when its ability to think

00:08:12.540 is parasitized.

00:08:14.040 Suicidal empathy completes that story

00:08:16.140 by saying what happens

00:08:17.460 to the human brain

00:08:19.000 when its emotional system

00:08:20.600 is parasitized.

00:08:21.820 And I can't think of a situation

00:08:23.940 where a society

00:08:25.120 has been more keen

00:08:26.800 on committing orgiastic suicide

00:08:29.380 in the pursuit

00:08:31.020 of infinite tolerance

00:08:32.340 and kindness.

00:08:33.500 Orgiastic suicide.

00:08:34.720 That was clicked in me.

00:08:36.380 It's stuck in my mind

00:08:37.200 for a while.

00:08:37.980 So it's actually

00:08:38.320 it's like a society

00:08:39.100 goes too far

00:08:40.260 where it's like

00:08:40.780 killing itself from within

00:08:42.760 by just being too empathetic.

00:08:44.780 And then that's linked

00:08:45.760 to the whole concept

00:08:46.640 of a parasitic mind

00:08:47.900 which I'd like you

00:08:48.740 to explain that as well

00:08:49.480 for the audience

00:08:49.960 to anyone that hasn't

00:08:51.120 heard your content previously.

00:08:54.680 And how that links,

00:08:55.920 how the parasitic mind

00:08:57.180 links to suicidal empathy.

00:09:00.400 And then what we'll do

00:09:00.980 is we'll kind of bring it

00:09:01.760 to current events

00:09:02.860 because there's a few of them.

00:09:04.100 So let's do parasitic mind.

00:09:05.900 So I started my career,

00:09:08.120 I became a professor in 1994.

00:09:10.020 I've been a professor

00:09:10.800 for longer than you've been alive.

00:09:11.980 Is that true?

00:09:12.820 Almost, no.

00:09:13.520 Oh my God, I'm old.

00:09:15.080 Okay, anyways.

00:09:15.860 So in 1994,

00:09:16.860 I began as a professor

00:09:18.420 and my original goal

00:09:20.300 which I pursued

00:09:21.100 throughout my career

00:09:21.780 was to try to apply

00:09:23.200 evolutionary biology

00:09:24.420 and evolutionary psychology

00:09:25.960 to study human behavior,

00:09:27.600 specifically consumer

00:09:28.920 and economic decision-making.

00:09:30.880 How do our hormones

00:09:32.120 affect our behaviors, right?

00:09:33.600 How does testosterone

00:09:34.420 affect our behavior?

00:09:35.660 How does the menstrual cycle

00:09:37.980 affect how a woman dresses

00:09:40.260 across the menstrual cycle?

00:09:41.500 So I look at the biological drivers

00:09:43.840 of why we behave

00:09:45.800 the way that we do.

00:09:46.800 I very quickly noticed, Mario,

00:09:49.780 that most of my social science colleagues

00:09:52.500 were dead set

00:09:54.520 against what I was doing

00:09:55.500 because to them,

00:09:56.380 what made us human

00:09:57.460 is that we transcended our biology.

00:10:00.700 Biology was important

00:10:01.740 to explain the behavior

00:10:02.740 of the mosquito

00:10:03.520 and your dog

00:10:04.600 and the zebra.

00:10:05.720 But surely,

00:10:06.660 according to them,

00:10:07.480 biology doesn't apply

00:10:08.780 to human behavior.

00:10:09.840 We are a cultural animal.

00:10:11.500 And so that's when

00:10:12.720 I first started realizing

00:10:14.220 that even very intelligent

00:10:15.820 and educated people

00:10:16.860 can be completely parasitized

00:10:19.040 by bullshit, okay?

00:10:20.900 And so how could it be?

00:10:22.620 I mean,

00:10:22.840 it should be rather

00:10:23.860 non-controversial

00:10:25.520 to say that human beings

00:10:27.240 are affected

00:10:28.500 by their biology.

00:10:30.340 But what I don't understand,

00:10:31.640 Doctor,

00:10:31.860 and what I struggle to understand,

00:10:32.960 I literally called Jess

00:10:33.780 who helped us organize this

00:10:34.820 and just kind of,

00:10:35.500 I said, Jess,

00:10:37.020 there's always a middle ground

00:10:38.420 between two sides

00:10:39.160 of any argument.

00:10:39.760 But why are other

00:10:42.140 intelligent professors,

00:10:43.900 other colleagues of yours,

00:10:45.380 not understanding

00:10:46.380 this basic fact

00:10:47.240 that should be very basic

00:10:48.200 for anyone else?

00:10:49.300 Right, exactly.

00:10:49.980 And hence,

00:10:50.620 that's why I wrote

00:10:51.620 The Parasitic Mind.

00:10:52.600 So let's start with

00:10:54.220 why people have

00:10:55.660 such biophobia.

00:10:56.920 Biophobia means

00:10:57.880 fear of using biology

00:10:59.780 to explain human behavior.

00:11:00.800 Biophobia.

00:11:01.380 Yeah.

00:11:01.740 And so there are

00:11:03.100 several reasons for that

00:11:04.000 and I've gone through it

00:11:05.280 in one of my earlier books

00:11:06.600 in The Consuming Instinct.

00:11:08.320 It's very hopeful

00:11:09.560 to think

00:11:10.320 that we are only

00:11:11.920 a socially constructed animal.

00:11:14.340 So let me explain

00:11:15.160 what I mean by that.

00:11:16.960 It makes a parent feel good

00:11:19.000 that when your child is born,

00:11:21.640 he could be anything

00:11:22.820 he or she wants to be.

00:11:24.220 They could be the next Einstein,

00:11:25.480 they could be the next Lionel Messi,

00:11:27.220 they could be the next Michael Jordan.

00:11:28.820 That's hopeful.

00:11:29.660 Of course,

00:11:30.060 it's complete nonsense,

00:11:31.160 but it's hopeful.

00:11:32.120 It makes me feel good.

00:11:32.980 It makes me feel good

00:11:33.940 to think,

00:11:34.860 if I'm speaking,

00:11:35.760 I'm speaking as them now,

00:11:36.840 and that is me.

00:11:37.680 It makes me feel hopeful

00:11:39.220 as a parent

00:11:39.920 to know that we are all born

00:11:41.680 tabula rasa.

00:11:43.060 Tabula rasa is the Latin word

00:11:44.300 for empty slate

00:11:45.260 and it's only socialization

00:11:47.260 that then makes me who I am.

00:11:49.140 So if only my mother

00:11:50.260 were to hug me enough

00:11:51.360 or not hug me enough

00:11:52.340 or give me McDonald's

00:11:53.780 or not give me McDonald's,

00:11:54.940 I could be the next Lionel Messi.

00:11:56.920 Right?

00:11:57.180 Is that like the nurture nature?

00:11:58.460 Exactly.

00:11:59.180 And so there is something

00:12:00.240 very hopeful

00:12:01.520 about the fact

00:12:02.540 that humans

00:12:03.440 are only shaped

00:12:04.880 by nurture,

00:12:05.900 which of course is wrong.

00:12:07.420 And so for all sorts of reasons,

00:12:09.340 social scientists

00:12:10.180 have developed their fields

00:12:11.820 with a complete abdication

00:12:13.800 of biology.

00:12:15.060 So you could study economics,

00:12:16.380 you could study sociology,

00:12:17.720 you could study consumer behavior

00:12:19.540 without ever mentioning

00:12:21.500 the word biology in it.

00:12:23.400 Right?

00:12:23.540 Now, for the other 1,999,999 species,

00:12:29.000 you would never study

00:12:30.340 the behavior of a salamander

00:12:32.100 or a particular marsupial

00:12:34.760 or a particular mammal

00:12:36.120 without invoking

00:12:37.740 their biological heritage.

00:12:39.260 There's only one species

00:12:40.620 where it is perfectly okay

00:12:42.180 to never mention

00:12:43.140 the word biology.

00:12:44.120 It's called human beings.

00:12:45.740 And so that was my first exposure

00:12:47.920 to the lunacy

00:12:49.420 that takes place

00:12:50.320 on university campuses.

00:12:51.620 Okay, so I always try

00:12:54.840 to play devil's advocate

00:12:56.100 or kind of steel manning

00:12:57.900 any point we make.

00:13:01.820 What is their argument?

00:13:03.440 So when you speak to them,

00:13:04.740 let's say the most intelligent,

00:13:06.240 logical one of them,

00:13:07.900 when you speak

00:13:08.320 to those professors,

00:13:09.320 what do they say back

00:13:10.220 when you make that point?

00:13:11.440 So several possible answers.

00:13:13.320 One would be,

00:13:14.420 I don't like the idea

00:13:15.520 of you saying

00:13:16.400 that humans are

00:13:18.340 just genetic executors

00:13:20.940 of their genes.

00:13:21.980 That's called,

00:13:22.540 by the way,

00:13:22.960 biological determinism.

00:13:24.600 So they like to feel

00:13:25.640 as though human beings

00:13:27.180 have degrees of freedom

00:13:28.600 in their behavior.

00:13:29.500 But that is actually true.

00:13:31.300 That can apply, yeah.

00:13:31.960 Exactly.

00:13:32.960 So evolutionary psychologists

00:13:34.600 believe in what's called

00:13:36.300 the interactionist framework.

00:13:38.140 Interactionist means

00:13:38.880 that for almost all phenomena,

00:13:40.880 it's an interaction

00:13:41.980 between our genes

00:13:43.160 and our environment.

00:13:44.260 As a matter of fact,

00:13:45.520 specific genes

00:13:46.520 get turned on or off

00:13:48.260 depending on certain

00:13:49.560 environmental stimuli.

00:13:51.400 But that shows you

00:13:52.220 how imbecilic

00:13:53.020 even very intelligent

00:13:54.060 people can be.

00:13:54.960 They have a completely

00:13:55.800 erroneous view

00:13:56.760 of what it means

00:13:57.700 to study the evolutionary

00:13:59.300 roots of human behavior.

00:14:01.160 Here's another example.

00:14:02.700 If you are, for example,

00:14:03.880 a radical feminist

00:14:04.960 and you're a professor,

00:14:07.340 you don't like the idea

00:14:08.540 that there are innate,

00:14:10.660 evolved sex differences.

00:14:12.600 Because in the view

00:14:13.620 of that radical feminist,

00:14:15.160 that makes it more difficult

00:14:16.480 for me to eradicate

00:14:18.160 the sexist status quo

00:14:20.440 of the patriarchy.

00:14:21.780 Therefore, I have to,

00:14:23.520 in a complete hallucinatory manner,

00:14:25.380 argue that any sex differences

00:14:27.200 that arise

00:14:28.040 must be simply

00:14:29.520 due to socialization.

00:14:31.240 The fact that Bubba

00:14:32.340 can bench press,

00:14:34.020 he's 6'4",

00:14:35.020 and he plays as a center

00:14:36.040 for University of Arkansas

00:14:37.420 football team,

00:14:38.320 the only reason why

00:14:39.540 he bench presses

00:14:40.360 more than 5'1", Linda,

00:14:42.460 is because he was taught

00:14:44.440 how to play rough and tumble

00:14:46.020 when he was a kid.

00:14:47.220 So his parents condoned

00:14:48.700 that behavior,

00:14:49.520 whereas they taught

00:14:50.480 little Linda

00:14:51.120 to be nurturing

00:14:52.340 and empathetic and kind.

00:14:54.260 That's the only thing.

00:14:55.560 So there are no

00:14:56.140 physiological differences,

00:14:57.360 there are no hormonal differences,

00:14:59.100 there are no

00:14:59.680 anatomical differences,

00:15:01.940 there are no, right?

00:15:02.940 It's insane.

00:15:03.660 Now, by the way,

00:15:04.400 those are the types

00:15:05.160 of parasitic ideas

00:15:06.160 that then allow people

00:15:08.080 to completely jump off

00:15:09.680 the abyss of infinite lunacy

00:15:11.080 by saying,

00:15:12.260 of course boys

00:15:13.320 can call themselves

00:15:15.120 Linda tomorrow

00:15:15.960 and play against girls.

00:15:17.400 There are no sex differences

00:15:18.540 between boys and girls, right?

00:15:20.160 How is it that

00:15:21.100 in the 21st century

00:15:22.440 we could have gotten

00:15:23.540 to a place

00:15:24.280 where the person

00:15:25.840 who last went

00:15:27.520 to the Supreme Court

00:15:28.480 was a Biden appointee?

00:15:30.640 Okay.

00:15:30.900 One of the senators

00:15:31.780 when she was being confirmed,

00:15:33.680 when the justice

00:15:34.580 was being confirmed,

00:15:35.240 it's a black lady,

00:15:36.560 when she was being confirmed,

00:15:38.780 one senator asked her,

00:15:41.060 can you define

00:15:42.000 what is a woman?

00:15:44.280 And I don't know

00:15:45.340 if you saw it, Mario,

00:15:46.340 but the justice

00:15:49.160 who was going to be

00:15:50.420 sitting on the Supreme Court

00:15:51.560 said,

00:15:52.420 I'm unable to offer you

00:15:53.780 a definition

00:15:54.420 because I'm not a biologist.

00:15:56.620 So now,

00:15:57.360 let's stop for a second.

00:15:59.040 Until 15 minutes ago,

00:16:00.980 the 117 billion people

00:16:03.400 who have existed on Earth

00:16:04.940 were completely able

00:16:06.620 to navigate

00:16:07.320 through the very,

00:16:08.300 very difficult conundrum

00:16:09.900 of knowing

00:16:10.700 what is male or female.

00:16:12.360 But the current

00:16:13.260 sitting justice

00:16:14.300 did not have the epistomal...

00:16:16.580 Justice Jackson?

00:16:17.220 Justice Jackson,

00:16:18.160 I think, yeah.

00:16:18.740 Okay.

00:16:19.300 And the one

00:16:19.880 who was interviewing,

00:16:21.080 I think,

00:16:21.320 is Senator Marsha something.

00:16:23.040 Okay.

00:16:23.440 Okay.

00:16:24.260 She didn't have

00:16:25.100 the intellectual confidence

00:16:27.800 to say,

00:16:28.520 what kind of stupid

00:16:29.120 question is that?

00:16:30.320 Of course I could tell you

00:16:31.020 what a woman is

00:16:31.620 because she had

00:16:32.780 to equivocate

00:16:33.520 because now we lived

00:16:34.980 in a world

00:16:35.600 where it was no longer

00:16:36.880 clear what is male,

00:16:38.420 what is female.

00:16:39.320 So all of these

00:16:40.660 small attacks

00:16:42.500 on the edifices

00:16:43.980 of reason

00:16:44.560 eventually result

00:16:46.100 in the parasitic mind.

00:16:47.500 So essentially

00:16:47.780 it's like a parasite,

00:16:48.920 an antilogic parasite.

00:16:50.580 It is.

00:16:50.920 Is that a good way

00:16:51.600 to describe it?

00:16:52.180 And it spreads

00:16:52.980 like a parasite.

00:16:53.840 So a parasite,

00:16:54.520 and you've given

00:16:54.820 a few examples

00:16:55.420 in your book,

00:16:56.180 but you've given

00:16:56.980 one of that cricket

00:16:57.880 that avoids the water,

00:16:59.060 but when the parasite

00:16:59.680 enters it

00:17:00.280 and it starts jumping

00:17:01.040 into the water

00:17:01.680 doing something

00:17:02.860 that essentially harms it.

00:17:04.500 And I've seen

00:17:04.860 something similar

00:17:05.380 on YouTube

00:17:07.040 of another,

00:17:09.340 other insects

00:17:10.440 have a similar response

00:17:11.940 to a parasite

00:17:12.740 that infects them

00:17:14.000 and once it infects them

00:17:14.740 they start doing

00:17:15.320 something that harms them.

00:17:16.360 Exactly.

00:17:16.780 Because it's a beautiful way

00:17:18.460 to explain

00:17:19.600 the neuroparasithological framework.

00:17:21.460 So in nature

00:17:22.220 there are many

00:17:23.060 host parasite interactions.

00:17:25.800 Actually,

00:17:26.380 it's a beautiful

00:17:26.840 field of study.

00:17:28.240 Many parasites

00:17:29.080 don't go to the brain.

00:17:30.360 So for example,

00:17:30.940 a tapeworm

00:17:31.700 parasitizes

00:17:32.900 your intestinal tract.

00:17:35.780 Neuroparasites

00:17:36.340 are the ones

00:17:37.240 that need to get

00:17:38.500 to the host's brain

00:17:40.320 altering its neuronal

00:17:42.320 circuitry

00:17:42.980 to suit its interests.

00:17:45.300 So there is

00:17:45.700 an evolutionary arms race

00:17:47.280 between the host

00:17:48.160 and the parasite.

00:17:49.780 The parasite

00:17:50.640 wants to alter

00:17:51.700 the behavior

00:17:52.220 of the host

00:17:52.900 even if it is suicide.

00:17:54.460 And the example

00:17:55.260 you gave

00:17:55.540 is exactly the right one.

00:17:56.840 The wood cricket

00:17:57.660 abhors water.

00:17:59.080 But when it is

00:17:59.940 parasitized

00:18:00.540 by the hair worm

00:18:01.420 the hair worm

00:18:02.540 needs the wood cricket

00:18:03.760 to go into water

00:18:04.960 in order for it

00:18:05.640 to complete

00:18:06.120 its reproductive cycle.

00:18:07.720 Therefore,

00:18:08.280 once it is parasitized

00:18:09.720 it merely jumps

00:18:11.060 and commits suicide

00:18:12.040 to the benefit

00:18:13.060 of the parasite.

00:18:14.460 The argument

00:18:14.900 you're making

00:18:15.520 with the parasitic mind

00:18:17.260 essentially ideas

00:18:18.480 could become

00:18:19.120 like parasites.

00:18:20.340 Exactly.

00:18:20.680 They could spread

00:18:21.340 like parasites

00:18:22.120 and they infect

00:18:23.960 the brain

00:18:24.400 in a very similar way

00:18:25.420 where they kind of

00:18:26.080 force the brain

00:18:26.680 to think in ways

00:18:27.540 that go against

00:18:28.880 reason,

00:18:29.420 against logic

00:18:30.240 and in a way

00:18:31.880 the people

00:18:32.480 like the Justice Jackson

00:18:33.800 they know the answer.

00:18:36.420 Exactly.

00:18:36.720 But it's like

00:18:37.060 a parasite

00:18:37.520 is in their mind

00:18:38.180 that they cannot say

00:18:39.120 the answer

00:18:39.460 for some reason

00:18:40.000 to feed

00:18:41.800 the parasite itself.

00:18:43.820 Exactly.

00:18:44.420 And I'll give you

00:18:44.920 a beautiful example

00:18:46.100 of a mixture

00:18:47.700 of the parasitic mind

00:18:48.880 and suicidal empathy.

00:18:50.060 So there was

00:18:51.660 a gentleman

00:18:52.340 a Norwegian man

00:18:53.860 in I think 2013

00:18:55.740 who was raped

00:18:57.920 by a Somali immigrant.

00:19:00.580 He was sodomized

00:19:01.700 by a Somali immigrant.

00:19:03.200 Now,

00:19:04.280 the way that

00:19:05.040 our emotional system

00:19:06.040 has evolved

00:19:06.780 you wouldn't

00:19:08.080 typically be exhibiting

00:19:09.460 great concern,

00:19:10.680 compassion

00:19:11.160 and empathy

00:19:12.480 towards the guy

00:19:13.940 who sodomized you.

00:19:15.200 That's just not

00:19:16.240 part of our

00:19:16.940 evolutionary makeup.

00:19:19.180 For obvious reason.

00:19:19.800 For obvious reasons.

00:19:20.740 Now,

00:19:20.940 in this case

00:19:21.560 he was so

00:19:22.920 both parasitized

00:19:24.820 by actual idea pathogens

00:19:26.320 and parasitized

00:19:27.940 by suicidal empathy

00:19:28.940 that after

00:19:30.120 the Somali immigrant

00:19:31.560 had served

00:19:32.240 a very minimal sentence

00:19:33.380 because in Norway

00:19:34.140 they're so kind

00:19:35.020 and empathetic

00:19:35.800 it's not nice

00:19:36.780 to punish criminals.

00:19:38.660 After he served

00:19:39.360 a minimal sentence

00:19:40.100 and he was going

00:19:40.660 to be deported

00:19:41.440 back to Somalia

00:19:42.480 the guy who had

00:19:43.780 been sodomized by him

00:19:45.000 felt very,

00:19:46.380 very bad

00:19:46.860 and very guilty

00:19:47.700 that now

00:19:48.780 the Somali guy

00:19:49.940 was not going

00:19:50.720 to have

00:19:51.180 a maximally

00:19:52.000 flourishing life

00:19:52.980 in Mogadishu

00:19:54.320 and he felt bad

00:19:55.680 that it was because

00:19:56.400 of his doing.

00:19:57.440 So that's

00:19:57.840 the perfect example

00:19:59.100 of the utter

00:20:00.720 complete walking parasite

00:20:02.040 both in terms

00:20:03.180 of his thoughts

00:20:03.900 and in terms

00:20:04.720 of his emotional system.

00:20:05.720 So the parasite

00:20:06.760 led to suicidal empathy.

00:20:08.500 Exactly.

00:20:09.220 You know,

00:20:09.380 I make,

00:20:10.280 there's a lot

00:20:10.740 of similar examples

00:20:11.600 by the way.

00:20:12.000 There's a lot

00:20:12.300 of people

00:20:12.520 that were raped

00:20:14.000 and they feel bad

00:20:16.920 for the rapist

00:20:18.900 and then they just

00:20:20.240 cannot,

00:20:20.760 when I,

00:20:21.440 because I've had

00:20:21.840 these discussions

00:20:22.320 before,

00:20:22.760 when you ask them

00:20:23.400 for a logical

00:20:23.820 explanation,

00:20:24.800 they just cannot

00:20:25.620 make it.

00:20:26.860 They just cannot do it.

00:20:27.580 It's like,

00:20:27.880 I don't know why,

00:20:28.700 I just feel bad.

00:20:29.840 That's like,

00:20:30.480 that's more of the

00:20:31.800 suicidal empathy

00:20:32.720 but your example

00:20:33.980 links to the parasitic

00:20:35.140 mind is because

00:20:35.760 of the whole

00:20:36.320 kind of movement

00:20:39.000 and we can get

00:20:39.500 into the woke

00:20:40.040 movement as well.

00:20:41.060 I don't know how

00:20:41.440 you started covering

00:20:42.100 the woke movement.

00:20:42.860 I'm still trying

00:20:43.340 to understand it.

00:20:44.720 That led to that

00:20:46.200 parasite in their mind.

00:20:47.760 Yes.

00:20:48.240 So the woke movement

00:20:50.360 I explained in the book

00:20:51.680 in the parasitic mind

00:20:52.640 stems really

00:20:54.260 from a few key

00:20:56.260 idea pathogens

00:20:57.900 or parasitic ideas.

00:20:59.180 The most important

00:21:00.960 of which,

00:21:01.780 the most

00:21:02.160 dangerous

00:21:03.540 of which

00:21:04.060 would be

00:21:04.580 postmodernism.

00:21:06.920 Postmodernism

00:21:07.400 is the

00:21:08.360 quote

00:21:09.300 philosophical framework

00:21:10.520 that allows

00:21:11.300 for all of these

00:21:12.020 other parasitic ideas

00:21:13.040 to flourish.

00:21:14.060 So what's postmodernism

00:21:15.260 as a quick synopsis?

00:21:17.820 Postmodernism

00:21:18.300 basically argues

00:21:19.300 that there are

00:21:20.300 no objective truths.

00:21:22.320 Of course,

00:21:22.780 other than the one

00:21:23.440 objective truth

00:21:24.300 that there are

00:21:24.860 no objective truths.

00:21:25.700 So already it shatters

00:21:26.760 but apparently

00:21:27.420 we shouldn't notice that.

00:21:28.800 So in a sense

00:21:30.160 that liberates you,

00:21:31.500 right?

00:21:31.660 It liberates me

00:21:32.840 from my genitalia

00:21:34.240 because who am I

00:21:35.200 to say if I'm male

00:21:36.020 or female?

00:21:37.140 What are chromosomes

00:21:38.180 really?

00:21:38.640 We don't know

00:21:39.020 what that is.

00:21:39.500 If I tomorrow

00:21:40.160 decide that I'm Linda,

00:21:41.600 shut up.

00:21:42.080 I'm Linda

00:21:42.480 and I box with girls,

00:21:43.760 right?

00:21:44.260 So postmodernism,

00:21:46.500 I call it

00:21:47.280 intellectual terrorism

00:21:48.540 because imagine

00:21:50.020 how anti-scientific

00:21:51.100 it is.

00:21:51.700 Why?

00:21:52.220 Because every day

00:21:53.420 when I wake up

00:21:54.200 and I'm trying

00:21:54.700 to do a scientific

00:21:55.440 study,

00:21:56.720 I do think

00:21:57.620 that there are truths

00:21:58.600 to be discovered.

00:21:59.860 Otherwise,

00:22:00.240 there's no point

00:22:00.840 in applying

00:22:01.240 the scientific method.

00:22:02.420 Now,

00:22:02.620 here's a very important

00:22:03.400 distinction.

00:22:04.920 The fact that something

00:22:06.120 is provisionally true

00:22:07.580 in science

00:22:08.220 doesn't mean

00:22:08.920 that it is eternally true.

00:22:10.440 That's why

00:22:10.760 the word provisional

00:22:11.700 is there.

00:22:12.360 What we thought

00:22:13.000 was true in science

00:22:14.220 300 years ago,

00:22:15.340 we've updated

00:22:16.200 our thinking.

00:22:17.120 But we do think

00:22:18.240 that epistemologically

00:22:19.600 speaking,

00:22:20.260 there are truths

00:22:21.160 to be discovered.

00:22:22.100 If you throw me off

00:22:23.260 a hundred store building

00:22:24.340 a hundred times,

00:22:25.240 I could tell you

00:22:26.360 exactly a hundred times

00:22:27.560 what will happen to me.

00:22:28.540 It's called gravity,

00:22:29.700 right?

00:22:30.020 So there are

00:22:30.880 absolute truths

00:22:31.780 and yet I tell the story

00:22:33.840 in the parasitic mind,

00:22:34.960 this is the perfect story

00:22:36.680 to captures

00:22:37.860 what happens

00:22:38.940 to a mind

00:22:39.580 that is fully parasitized

00:22:41.200 by postmodernism.

00:22:42.820 And apologies

00:22:43.600 to any of your viewers

00:22:44.700 and listeners

00:22:45.140 who've heard me

00:22:45.740 say it before

00:22:46.440 because it's one of my

00:22:47.380 favorite stories to tell

00:22:48.440 because it's so powerful.

00:22:50.400 We're a storytelling animal.

00:22:51.840 I can give you all of it.

00:22:52.800 I'm excited to know

00:22:53.180 which story it is.

00:22:54.340 Maybe you already know.

00:22:55.240 So in 2002,

00:22:57.580 one of my former

00:22:59.000 doctoral students

00:22:59.800 had just defended

00:23:01.000 his doctoral dissertation.

00:23:02.960 And so we were going

00:23:03.600 to go out.

00:23:04.720 Does it ring a bell so far?

00:23:06.000 Not yet, no.

00:23:06.600 Not yet, okay.

00:23:07.660 If it does,

00:23:08.400 tell me I know

00:23:09.260 where you're going with this.

00:23:10.260 If not,

00:23:11.180 this is your first time

00:23:12.300 hearing it

00:23:12.940 and you'll enjoy it.

00:23:14.080 So he says,

00:23:15.260 let's go out.

00:23:16.920 We agreed to go out

00:23:17.980 and celebrate.

00:23:18.620 And at the time,

00:23:19.220 my wife and I

00:23:19.940 didn't have children.

00:23:20.620 It was myself,

00:23:21.760 my wife,

00:23:22.620 my doctoral student

00:23:23.500 with whom I recently

00:23:24.760 had a Zoom chat.

00:23:25.640 He's now a senior professor

00:23:27.540 himself in Canada.

00:23:28.520 Congratulations.

00:23:29.100 Yeah, thank you.

00:23:30.800 And he was bringing a date,

00:23:33.580 a girl.

00:23:34.820 And so he calls me up

00:23:36.360 to kind of give me a heads up.

00:23:37.800 He goes,

00:23:38.060 oh, I just want to tell you

00:23:38.980 that the woman I'm bringing

00:23:40.360 is a graduate student

00:23:42.060 in women's studies,

00:23:43.900 postmodernism,

00:23:44.860 and cultural anthropology

00:23:46.540 to which I answered,

00:23:48.200 ah, the holy trinity

00:23:49.520 of bullshit.

00:23:51.040 And so I said,

00:23:51.700 okay, no, no, I got you.

00:23:52.840 I'm going to be on

00:23:53.440 my best behavior.

00:23:54.320 This is your night.

00:23:55.360 Are they still together?

00:23:56.340 No.

00:23:56.960 Okay.

00:23:57.640 He's married now.

00:23:58.760 No.

00:23:59.940 I should ask though

00:24:01.180 how long it lasted

00:24:02.280 after that evening.

00:24:03.080 I don't think very long.

00:24:04.780 So I said,

00:24:05.200 oh, don't worry.

00:24:05.820 I'm going to be on

00:24:06.420 my best behavior,

00:24:07.480 which of course

00:24:08.040 was a complete lie

00:24:08.840 because about halfway

00:24:10.260 through the evening,

00:24:10.900 I turned to the lady

00:24:13.160 and I said,

00:24:14.100 oh, I hear your

00:24:15.080 graduate student

00:24:16.120 in postmodernism.

00:24:17.220 Yes.

00:24:18.360 I said,

00:24:18.760 there are no objective truths.

00:24:19.860 Yes?

00:24:20.420 She goes, no.

00:24:21.220 I said, okay, well,

00:24:22.700 I'm an evolutionary scientist.

00:24:24.060 So for example,

00:24:24.500 I think that there are

00:24:25.400 features of human nature

00:24:26.940 that are universal.

00:24:28.760 It could be

00:24:29.280 a Yanomomo tribe

00:24:30.380 in the Amazon.

00:24:30.920 It could be

00:24:31.580 in Detroit, Michigan

00:24:32.380 in 1950.

00:24:33.200 It could be

00:24:33.520 in 300 years from now

00:24:34.560 in Malta.

00:24:35.540 There are certain features

00:24:36.540 that are absolute

00:24:37.100 human universals.

00:24:38.280 Do you mind

00:24:38.620 if I propose

00:24:39.220 what I think

00:24:39.720 are some universals

00:24:40.560 and then we can

00:24:41.300 discuss them?

00:24:42.020 She goes, yeah, go ahead.

00:24:43.400 So now this is 2002.

00:24:44.680 This is way before

00:24:45.480 the transgender stuff,

00:24:46.880 way before men

00:24:47.920 can get pregnant

00:24:48.740 and men can menstruate,

00:24:50.020 2002.

00:24:51.400 I say,

00:24:51.800 is it not true

00:24:53.020 that within Homo sapiens,

00:24:55.720 within humans,

00:24:56.820 only women

00:24:58.260 can bear children?

00:25:00.660 So she looks at me.

00:25:01.780 She can't believe

00:25:02.540 what a moron I am.

00:25:04.640 She goes, no,

00:25:05.140 that's not true.

00:25:06.120 I said, it's not true

00:25:06.920 that only women

00:25:07.660 bear children.

00:25:08.740 How is that?

00:25:09.800 She goes, well,

00:25:10.240 there is some

00:25:11.040 Japanese tribe

00:25:12.580 off some Japanese

00:25:13.920 island where

00:25:15.180 within their

00:25:15.980 mythological

00:25:17.580 folkloric realm,

00:25:19.340 it is the men

00:25:20.180 who bear children.

00:25:21.440 So by you

00:25:21.980 restricting it

00:25:22.860 to the material realm,

00:25:24.220 that's how you

00:25:24.880 keep us barefoot

00:25:25.840 and pregnant

00:25:26.280 in the kitchen.

00:25:28.300 So after I recovered

00:25:29.620 from the mini stroke

00:25:30.580 I had

00:25:31.080 due to her stupidity,

00:25:32.800 I said, okay,

00:25:34.300 maybe it's too

00:25:35.760 controversial

00:25:36.180 for me to propose

00:25:37.300 that only women

00:25:38.360 bear children.

00:25:38.780 Let me pick a less

00:25:39.620 controversial example.

00:25:41.040 Is it not true

00:25:41.960 since time immemorial

00:25:43.200 that sailors

00:25:44.840 have relied on

00:25:45.920 the following

00:25:46.880 cosmological fact

00:25:48.260 that the sun rises

00:25:49.560 in the east

00:25:50.200 and sets in the west?

00:25:51.380 So here she used

00:25:52.840 Mario a variant,

00:25:55.100 a strand of

00:25:55.960 postmodernism

00:25:56.820 called deconstructionism.

00:25:59.220 And the guy

00:25:59.700 who founded

00:26:00.340 this field

00:26:01.580 is a French

00:26:02.720 postmodernist

00:26:03.720 called Jacques Derrida.

00:26:05.540 And deconstructionism

00:26:06.720 is basically

00:26:07.300 language creates reality.

00:26:09.180 There is no reality

00:26:10.340 outside of language.

00:26:12.140 So then she says to me,

00:26:13.500 what do you mean

00:26:14.660 by east

00:26:15.780 and west?

00:26:16.680 And what do you mean

00:26:18.220 by the sun?

00:26:19.240 That which you call

00:26:20.120 the sun

00:26:20.700 I might call

00:26:21.920 dancing hyena.

00:26:24.000 Exact words.

00:26:25.300 So I said, well, fine.

00:26:26.220 The dancing hyena

00:26:27.180 rises in the east

00:26:28.200 and sets in the west.

00:26:29.400 She goes, I don't play

00:26:30.220 those label games.

00:26:31.560 Now, why do I always

00:26:32.800 tell that story?

00:26:33.580 Because I'm sitting

00:26:34.320 with a person

00:26:34.960 who supposedly

00:26:36.120 is not an escapee

00:26:37.640 from a psychiatric hospital.

00:26:39.420 Although you can't

00:26:40.360 tell the difference

00:26:40.940 because she's a graduate

00:26:41.900 student in postmodernism.

00:26:43.120 And I'm sitting

00:26:44.220 and having

00:26:44.820 an adult conversation

00:26:46.460 with another person

00:26:48.780 who's supposed

00:26:49.260 to be intelligent,

00:26:50.320 getting a graduate degree.

00:26:52.160 Actually, it was in Montreal

00:26:53.080 at one of the top

00:26:54.380 universities in the world.

00:26:55.840 And we couldn't agree

00:26:57.880 on the fact

00:26:59.580 that women bear children

00:27:01.100 and that there is

00:27:02.260 such a thing

00:27:02.800 as east and west

00:27:03.940 and the sun.

00:27:05.400 Now, she wasn't

00:27:07.040 some anomaly.

00:27:08.280 She was exactly

00:27:09.300 enunciating the words

00:27:10.920 that you would learn

00:27:12.280 if you paid

00:27:13.000 $80,000 a year

00:27:14.420 to go to Colombia

00:27:15.440 to study postmodernism.

00:27:17.300 So, how could it be

00:27:18.520 anything other than parasitic?

00:27:20.200 What is the beneficial value

00:27:23.040 that you will bring

00:27:23.820 to society?

00:27:24.740 While you're talking,

00:27:25.600 what I'm trying to,

00:27:26.220 what I'm thinking about

00:27:27.200 is that I always try

00:27:28.960 to put myself

00:27:29.620 in other people's shoes.

00:27:30.540 I'm like,

00:27:30.720 if I'm in her shoes,

00:27:32.400 how is she interpreting

00:27:33.740 what she's saying?

00:27:36.200 I'm struggling

00:27:36.940 to understand it.

00:27:38.000 I'm struggling

00:27:38.300 to understand how

00:27:39.120 describing the sun

00:27:40.240 as a dancing hyena.

00:27:41.160 what's the purpose

00:27:42.500 of that?

00:27:42.840 And then not playing

00:27:43.460 the labeling game.

00:27:45.380 I just don't see

00:27:46.540 the logic on her side.

00:27:48.600 It liberates you.

00:27:49.860 So, let's say

00:27:50.700 you're an oncologist,

00:27:51.640 you study cancer.

00:27:53.160 All different cancers

00:27:54.500 have different behaviors,

00:27:56.000 but do they have

00:27:56.960 anything in common?

00:27:57.920 They do.

00:27:58.780 It is the unchecked

00:28:00.500 division of cells.

00:28:01.660 So, at the very least,

00:28:02.980 whether it's leukemia

00:28:04.040 or it's prostate cancer,

00:28:05.600 at least we have that

00:28:06.580 in common

00:28:07.140 across the two cancers.

00:28:08.120 So, what I wanted to do

00:28:09.540 is apply a similar

00:28:10.820 mechanism to say,

00:28:12.640 well, what is common

00:28:13.760 across all these

00:28:14.700 parasitic ideas,

00:28:15.600 whether it be

00:28:15.960 postmodernism

00:28:16.820 or social constructivism

00:28:18.520 or cultural relativism

00:28:20.360 or biophobic?

00:28:21.660 What's common

00:28:22.580 across all these?

00:28:23.540 And so, I think

00:28:24.100 I offered

00:28:25.160 a reasonable answer,

00:28:26.580 which is

00:28:26.960 they all free us

00:28:28.760 from the pesky shackles

00:28:30.600 of reality.

00:28:31.940 Right?

00:28:32.400 So,

00:28:33.460 transgender activism

00:28:34.460 is wonderful

00:28:35.200 once you couple it

00:28:36.280 with radical feminism

00:28:37.420 and with social

00:28:38.180 constructivism

00:28:38.860 because it frees me

00:28:40.120 from the shackles

00:28:41.400 of my genitalia.

00:28:42.960 Right?

00:28:43.900 Postmodernism

00:28:44.460 frees me from

00:28:45.120 everything.

00:28:46.860 Up is down,

00:28:47.860 left is right,

00:28:48.760 freedom is slavery,

00:28:50.120 war is peace,

00:28:51.280 Hamas is freedom-loving,

00:28:53.200 Jews are the Nazis.

00:28:55.100 So, I now have

00:28:56.620 the epistemological weaponry

00:28:59.020 to negate

00:29:00.280 any form of reality.

00:29:02.020 Boy, that's very liberating.

00:29:03.280 It's wonderful.

00:29:04.080 I'm not shackled

00:29:05.100 by this thing called

00:29:05.960 common sense,

00:29:07.020 logic,

00:29:07.860 reason,

00:29:08.640 reality.

00:29:09.660 And so,

00:29:10.180 that ultimately

00:29:11.140 is the ultimate

00:29:11.980 freeing of oneself.

00:29:13.960 I mean,

00:29:14.480 freeing in quotes.

00:29:15.520 So, maybe the value

00:29:16.380 of freeing oneself

00:29:17.660 is being able

00:29:18.680 to maybe do more.

00:29:21.600 So, if society limits...

00:29:24.220 Now, I'm trying to play

00:29:25.040 devil's advocate here.

00:29:26.460 So, obviously,

00:29:28.160 we see the negative impact

00:29:30.460 this could have.

00:29:31.480 You know,

00:29:31.640 you need truth

00:29:32.380 for society to exist,

00:29:33.440 for humans to be able

00:29:34.260 to function every day.

00:29:35.400 We need to know

00:29:36.020 those truths that,

00:29:36.800 hey, if I get into

00:29:37.380 the elevator,

00:29:38.100 it'll take me down

00:29:38.900 and if I jump off

00:29:40.300 from the balcony,

00:29:40.960 it's quicker,

00:29:41.400 but I'll be dead.

00:29:42.200 You also see progress

00:29:43.400 when people are not

00:29:44.440 limited by certain beliefs,

00:29:45.840 especially in cultures

00:29:46.700 that limit freedom.

00:29:47.780 So, let's say...

00:29:48.360 I'm struggling

00:29:48.780 to play devil's advocate,

00:29:49.720 but let's say I'm a woman

00:29:50.580 and then there's certain

00:29:51.780 societal expectations

00:29:54.580 from a woman,

00:29:56.100 but then trying to be

00:29:57.940 more creative

00:29:58.600 and moving away

00:29:59.220 from reality,

00:29:59.980 say, hey,

00:30:00.240 I'm not bound

00:30:01.060 by those laws

00:30:02.500 allows me to do more

00:30:04.620 and allows me

00:30:05.180 to achieve more,

00:30:05.940 but then...

00:30:06.460 I can help you with that.

00:30:07.800 Please,

00:30:08.260 because I'm trying to see,

00:30:09.140 I'm trying to give them

00:30:10.120 credit as well

00:30:10.860 for anyone that

00:30:12.360 believes in postmodernism

00:30:14.980 to say,

00:30:15.700 look,

00:30:15.820 I understand where

00:30:16.560 you're coming from,

00:30:17.500 even though we might disagree.

00:30:18.860 So, do you know,

00:30:19.860 are you familiar

00:30:20.340 with E.O. Wilson?

00:30:21.380 Is that an interesting name?

00:30:21.700 I'm not.

00:30:22.380 E.O. Wilson

00:30:23.040 actually,

00:30:24.220 regrettably,

00:30:24.740 recently passed away.

00:30:26.520 He's one of my

00:30:27.380 intellectual heroes.

00:30:28.100 He's a Harvard biologist.

00:30:30.940 Specifically,

00:30:32.060 his scientific work

00:30:33.040 is in the study

00:30:33.760 of social ants.

00:30:34.940 I think I know his quote.

00:30:35.840 There's a famous quote

00:30:36.520 of his,

00:30:36.880 or no?

00:30:37.180 Probably you read it

00:30:37.960 in my book.

00:30:38.380 Yes, yes,

00:30:38.840 I think so.

00:30:39.680 So, okay,

00:30:40.720 so I'll mention that quote.

00:30:41.360 Please do,

00:30:41.760 it's a very good quote.

00:30:42.420 And then I will

00:30:43.160 go back to what I was going to say.

00:30:44.820 So,

00:30:45.240 when they asked him

00:30:46.300 his opinion

00:30:48.100 on socialism

00:30:50.020 slash communism,

00:30:51.180 he said,

00:30:51.900 great idea,

00:30:52.840 wrong species.

00:30:53.560 I remember, yes.

00:30:54.040 Right?

00:30:54.320 Because ants

00:30:55.740 are communistic,

00:30:57.040 but by their

00:30:58.700 evolutionary heritage,

00:30:59.680 there is a reproductive queen

00:31:00.860 and then there is

00:31:01.960 a whole cast

00:31:03.220 of indistinguishable

00:31:04.820 worker or warrior ants.

00:31:06.540 They're all equal.

00:31:07.800 Human beings

00:31:08.340 are not ants

00:31:10.160 because they are hierarchical.

00:31:11.720 Some of us are taller,

00:31:12.640 some of us are shorter,

00:31:13.460 some of us are harder working,

00:31:14.840 some of us play soccer

00:31:15.800 like Lionel Messi,

00:31:16.820 others don't,

00:31:17.540 some of us are intelligent

00:31:18.600 like Einstein,

00:31:19.300 others are not.

00:31:19.920 So,

00:31:20.820 it doesn't make sense

00:31:21.860 to impose

00:31:22.700 a system

00:31:23.960 on human beings

00:31:25.720 that is contrary

00:31:26.480 to their human nature.

00:31:27.900 Right?

00:31:28.260 So,

00:31:28.560 that's the quote.

00:31:29.180 That's right.

00:31:29.600 On that point as well,

00:31:30.980 I relate to it so much

00:31:31.980 because when I first,

00:31:32.560 when I was a kid,

00:31:33.000 I read about communism.

00:31:33.880 I'm like,

00:31:34.140 why does everyone hate communism?

00:31:35.780 It just makes a lot of sense.

00:31:36.840 It's just such a...

00:31:37.560 We're all equal.

00:31:38.240 Exactly.

00:31:38.680 We're all equal.

00:31:39.340 It comes from such a kind place

00:31:40.440 and look,

00:31:41.000 parasitic ideas come from

00:31:42.440 a good place as well.

00:31:43.380 Exactly.

00:31:44.200 But then,

00:31:45.020 when you understand,

00:31:45.760 when we start understanding it further,

00:31:47.080 understand how humans function,

00:31:48.400 you're like,

00:31:48.520 okay,

00:31:48.840 it is a good idea

00:31:49.520 but it does not work

00:31:50.980 in how we're built

00:31:52.320 biologically.

00:31:53.540 Exactly.

00:31:54.280 So,

00:31:54.700 I'll give you one other point

00:31:55.600 and I'll go back to E.O. Wilson.

00:31:57.000 So,

00:31:57.260 one of the things

00:31:57.760 that I talk about is

00:31:58.660 any products,

00:32:00.380 any policies,

00:32:01.620 any political systems

00:32:03.540 that are incongruent

00:32:04.720 with human nature

00:32:05.520 will ultimately fail.

00:32:06.760 So,

00:32:06.960 let's apply it

00:32:07.540 to consumer behavior.

00:32:08.660 Okay?

00:32:09.480 If you want to study

00:32:10.520 the evolutionary preferences

00:32:12.960 of women

00:32:13.540 when it comes to mating,

00:32:15.260 study the archetype

00:32:17.080 of the male hero

00:32:18.040 in romance novels,

00:32:19.500 right?

00:32:19.920 Every single romance novel

00:32:21.520 that's ever been written

00:32:22.620 in life

00:32:23.140 is like a plagiarized

00:32:25.060 one book.

00:32:26.440 It's the same man

00:32:27.200 in all of them.

00:32:27.600 It's the same man.

00:32:28.060 He is a prince.

00:32:30.360 He's also a neurosurgeon.

00:32:31.800 He's tall.

00:32:32.940 He wrestles alligators

00:32:34.680 on his six pack.

00:32:36.260 He can't be tamed

00:32:37.540 unless it is the love

00:32:39.140 of this one good woman.

00:32:40.320 I just describe

00:32:41.380 every single romance novel

00:32:43.240 that's ever been written.

00:32:44.740 Okay?

00:32:45.520 I'm being literal.

00:32:46.800 Okay?

00:32:47.440 So,

00:32:47.820 if I want to study

00:32:48.540 what women fantasize over,

00:32:50.500 just look at romance novels.

00:32:52.000 Well,

00:32:52.280 there was a company

00:32:53.000 many years ago,

00:32:53.940 well,

00:32:54.080 a few years ago,

00:32:54.640 that decided,

00:32:55.600 I mean,

00:32:55.820 they didn't use the word woke,

00:32:57.080 but they were progressive.

00:32:58.260 They wanted to

00:32:59.080 free themselves

00:33:00.700 of the shackles

00:33:01.820 of toxic masculinity.

00:33:03.980 So,

00:33:04.940 they created

00:33:05.720 a romance novel line

00:33:08.700 where,

00:33:10.180 this is,

00:33:10.960 now I'm using my gad humor.

00:33:12.460 They didn't do this,

00:33:13.240 but sort of,

00:33:14.260 where the man cries

00:33:16.400 with his thumb in his mouth

00:33:18.400 while watching

00:33:19.840 Bridget Jones' Diary,

00:33:21.120 where he asks

00:33:22.360 if he's too fat

00:33:23.620 in his jeans,

00:33:24.620 where he has

00:33:25.320 a high,

00:33:25.780 pitchy voice

00:33:26.220 because he's sensitive,

00:33:27.180 because he's kind,

00:33:28.120 because he's empathetic.

00:33:28.960 Well,

00:33:29.480 guess what the market

00:33:30.440 answered to that

00:33:32.200 new line

00:33:32.900 of romance novels?

00:33:33.980 It failed.

00:33:35.080 Why did it fail?

00:33:36.360 Because

00:33:36.760 that product

00:33:38.340 was contrary

00:33:39.500 to an evolutionary feature

00:33:41.420 of what women wanted.

00:33:42.720 So,

00:33:42.960 one of the things

00:33:43.420 that I teach my students

00:33:44.340 when I'm,

00:33:44.700 say,

00:33:44.820 teaching MBA students,

00:33:46.120 I tell them,

00:33:46.760 what I'm going to teach you

00:33:47.800 is not just how to be

00:33:48.900 better business people.

00:33:49.820 If I teach you

00:33:50.700 the secrets

00:33:52.040 to human nature,

00:33:53.080 you could apply it

00:33:53.720 anywhere you want.

00:33:54.420 You could apply it

00:33:55.040 to understand

00:33:55.480 why your marriage

00:33:56.260 is failing,

00:33:57.140 why you want

00:33:57.740 the corner office

00:33:58.900 in the top floor,

00:34:00.000 why you,

00:34:00.580 anything.

00:34:01.080 You could apply it

00:34:01.620 to all realms of life.

00:34:03.000 So,

00:34:03.620 the audacity

00:34:05.100 of a company

00:34:06.160 to say,

00:34:07.680 I will teach

00:34:08.680 the consumer

00:34:09.560 what they should like,

00:34:11.360 right?

00:34:11.680 And that comes

00:34:12.460 from tabula rasa.

00:34:13.700 We're all born

00:34:14.520 empty slates

00:34:15.360 and it is me,

00:34:16.560 the marketer,

00:34:17.380 who will tell women

00:34:18.740 what they should

00:34:19.480 fantasize over.

00:34:20.440 If I teach them

00:34:21.280 in the romance novel

00:34:22.480 to prefer the whiny,

00:34:23.760 crying guy,

00:34:24.620 then that's because

00:34:25.400 I'm teaching them

00:34:26.080 not to like toxic,

00:34:27.180 masculine guys.

00:34:27.840 And women said,

00:34:29.120 sorry,

00:34:29.580 that doesn't

00:34:30.960 trigger our

00:34:32.280 fantasy juices,

00:34:33.880 right?

00:34:34.180 And so,

00:34:35.060 any context

00:34:36.080 where you have

00:34:37.200 a decoupling

00:34:38.000 from something

00:34:39.340 that you create

00:34:40.180 and human nature

00:34:40.960 is going to fail.

00:34:41.740 That's why communism

00:34:42.500 has been tried

00:34:43.340 for a hundred years

00:34:44.700 in many,

00:34:45.360 many different societies

00:34:46.220 and the answer

00:34:47.160 is always the same.

00:34:48.180 It's an abject failure.

00:34:49.900 So,

00:34:50.400 now let's go back

00:34:51.360 to E.O. Wilson.

00:34:52.920 So,

00:34:53.380 to your point

00:34:53.920 when you were saying,

00:34:54.820 but are there

00:34:55.400 some cases where,

00:34:56.760 you know,

00:34:57.380 E.O. Wilson,

00:34:58.180 when they asked him

00:34:59.000 about the interplay

00:35:01.300 between genes

00:35:02.200 and culture,

00:35:03.380 he says,

00:35:04.940 genes hold culture

00:35:06.680 on a long leash,

00:35:08.560 but it still has

00:35:09.740 to be constrained

00:35:10.700 by biological reality.

00:35:13.160 What does that mean?

00:35:14.000 So,

00:35:14.140 that's a fancy way

00:35:15.220 of saying something

00:35:15.960 maybe a bit easier

00:35:17.020 to understand.

00:35:18.320 Take,

00:35:18.780 for example,

00:35:20.100 the use of spices

00:35:21.340 across cuisines.

00:35:23.420 For example,

00:35:24.520 in Mexico,

00:35:25.140 they have hotter cuisine,

00:35:27.980 spicier cuisine

00:35:28.720 than in Sweden.

00:35:30.000 Yes?

00:35:30.720 So,

00:35:31.220 the question then

00:35:31.740 becomes why?

00:35:32.440 Why are some cuisines

00:35:33.960 laden with spices

00:35:36.420 and others are not?

00:35:38.920 And I'm going to come back

00:35:39.820 to your point.

00:35:40.440 You're going to see

00:35:40.780 I'm going to tie it up.

00:35:42.540 Can you,

00:35:43.080 by the way,

00:35:43.380 guess at all

00:35:43.960 why,

00:35:45.380 evolutionarily speaking,

00:35:47.080 some cuisines

00:35:48.020 will evolve

00:35:49.060 to be spicier

00:35:50.120 than others?

00:35:50.640 I will not even

00:35:51.600 try to guess this one.

00:35:52.580 So,

00:35:53.100 this is actually called

00:35:53.820 the antimicrobial hypothesis.

00:35:56.740 A cultural reality,

00:35:58.880 in this case,

00:35:59.800 how much spices

00:36:00.860 I use in my cuisine,

00:36:02.640 is a solution

00:36:03.840 to a biological problem.

00:36:05.880 The biological problem

00:36:07.120 is that

00:36:08.100 in cultures

00:36:09.120 where it's

00:36:10.140 hot climates,

00:36:12.240 there is a greater

00:36:13.220 density

00:36:14.200 and proliferation

00:36:15.360 of foodborne pathogens.

00:36:17.600 One of the ways

00:36:18.360 that you get rid

00:36:19.160 of foodborne pathogens

00:36:20.360 is via

00:36:21.380 various

00:36:22.440 cuisine approaches.

00:36:24.200 Spice use,

00:36:25.620 it's antimicrobial,

00:36:27.380 pickling,

00:36:29.160 smoking,

00:36:30.520 smoking the food,

00:36:32.280 salting the food.

00:36:33.660 So,

00:36:33.880 all of these

00:36:34.820 adaptations,

00:36:36.880 cultural adaptations,

00:36:38.520 solve a biological problem.

00:36:40.860 So,

00:36:41.040 now I come back to-

00:36:41.520 And then it starts

00:36:42.140 getting more creative

00:36:42.920 from there.

00:36:43.340 That's where the leash

00:36:43.900 gets longer.

00:36:44.360 Exactly.

00:36:45.060 That's a good example.

00:36:46.140 So,

00:36:46.160 it's okay for

00:36:47.720 the leash

00:36:48.600 to allow

00:36:49.700 different lengths

00:36:51.080 in different ecosystems,

00:36:52.360 but it can't be

00:36:54.080 completely decoupled

00:36:55.620 from biology.

00:36:56.740 The leash

00:36:57.220 can go longer

00:36:57.980 or shorter,

00:36:58.900 but it's still constrained.

00:37:00.700 What these parasitic

00:37:01.620 ideas do

00:37:02.500 is they say,

00:37:03.100 no,

00:37:03.200 no,

00:37:03.300 no,

00:37:03.760 there is no leash.

00:37:05.540 We are infinitely

00:37:06.500 malleable.

00:37:07.200 We're not.

00:37:08.000 I can guarantee you

00:37:09.440 that I know

00:37:10.420 a lot of babies,

00:37:12.340 probably every baby

00:37:13.400 ever born

00:37:13.940 because Lionel Messi

00:37:14.800 is the greatest

00:37:15.260 soccer player ever.

00:37:16.260 No amount

00:37:17.140 of nurturing

00:37:17.980 that a parent does

00:37:20.120 will result

00:37:21.320 in you engineering

00:37:22.560 a soccer player

00:37:23.920 that is better

00:37:24.740 than Lionel Messi.

00:37:25.820 He was born

00:37:26.900 with the exact

00:37:27.920 set of tools

00:37:28.900 that allowed him

00:37:30.020 to be who he is.

00:37:31.120 Had he been

00:37:31.540 six foot four,

00:37:32.780 he wouldn't.

00:37:33.460 When people say,

00:37:34.200 how tall are you,

00:37:35.040 professor?

00:37:35.140 Same as Lionel Messi.

00:37:35.820 I usually say,

00:37:36.640 I'm tall enough

00:37:37.900 to be like Lionel Messi.

00:37:39.040 It's good enough for me.

00:37:40.660 But had I been

00:37:41.720 a basketball player,

00:37:42.520 it would have been

00:37:42.980 a problem, right?

00:37:44.160 And so that answers

00:37:45.260 hopefully your question.

00:37:46.280 It does, it does.

00:37:46.800 And what we're seeing

00:37:47.360 right now is

00:37:48.040 I think that leash

00:37:49.160 is getting a bit

00:37:50.100 too long

00:37:50.620 by the looks of it.

00:37:51.640 And we've seen

00:37:52.940 humans automatically

00:37:55.320 without realizing

00:37:56.240 it start to pull it back.

00:37:57.420 Yes.

00:37:57.760 They start to realize

00:37:58.420 that it's gone too long.

00:37:59.380 I think the recent

00:38:00.220 election results

00:38:01.400 are speaking to that.

00:38:03.000 Exactly.

00:38:03.540 People said

00:38:03.760 that I've had enough

00:38:05.380 of the decoupling

00:38:06.340 of the leash.

00:38:07.380 A lot of people

00:38:07.780 that might disagree

00:38:08.700 with Trump

00:38:09.320 or not like his personality

00:38:10.940 to realize

00:38:11.840 that it's no longer

00:38:12.560 about a personality.

00:38:14.440 But I think

00:38:14.860 just things have gotten

00:38:15.960 to a level

00:38:16.800 where they cannot

00:38:17.860 be ignored anymore.

00:38:19.020 And I think

00:38:19.280 the issue

00:38:19.700 of the transgender issue

00:38:20.660 is one such example.

00:38:21.900 I haven't covered it

00:38:22.700 as much as I should have

00:38:23.740 because in my mind

00:38:25.220 I'm like

00:38:25.540 it sounds too crazy.

00:38:27.580 So there must be

00:38:28.740 something more to it.

00:38:29.920 So either it's being

00:38:30.740 taken way out of proportion

00:38:32.060 and the issue

00:38:33.100 is not that serious

00:38:33.880 and it's being

00:38:34.700 misrepresented in some ways

00:38:35.940 or there's

00:38:36.780 another side of the argument

00:38:38.100 that's not being made.

00:38:39.280 So what I did

00:38:39.700 before this interview

00:38:40.380 because I wanted

00:38:40.740 to really for once

00:38:41.600 explore that issue.

00:38:43.280 Because again

00:38:43.620 I called my team

00:38:44.620 Jess

00:38:44.940 and I'm like

00:38:45.340 Jess

00:38:45.600 be honest with me.

00:38:48.020 Like just

00:38:48.460 not over exaggerating

00:38:49.400 let's not get political.

00:38:50.940 Can men really

00:38:51.940 play in women's sports?

00:38:53.100 Is that really a thing?

00:38:54.840 Or is there

00:38:55.260 like a long process

00:38:56.420 and is how you define a man

00:38:58.480 is some sports yes

00:38:59.620 some sports no

00:39:00.540 is there certain requirements?

00:39:02.260 And she goes

00:39:02.680 Mario pretty much yeah.

00:39:04.420 I'm like

00:39:04.740 I don't get it.

00:39:06.540 Why would a man

00:39:07.640 be able to play

00:39:08.420 in women's sports?

00:39:09.660 So can you

00:39:10.500 I'm going to ask you

00:39:11.240 those same questions

00:39:11.920 it's very very basic

00:39:13.040 because a lot of people

00:39:13.920 have heard about this issue

00:39:14.880 and they've kind of

00:39:15.320 ignored it like

00:39:15.760 look let me worry

00:39:16.580 about inflation

00:39:17.280 let me worry

00:39:18.140 about the economy.

00:39:20.060 First

00:39:20.460 can men play

00:39:21.440 in women's sports?

00:39:22.140 Just a basic question

00:39:22.960 because I know

00:39:23.600 you've researched it heavily.

00:39:25.100 No

00:39:25.340 no

00:39:26.640 la

00:39:27.820 lo

00:39:28.720 I just answered

00:39:29.760 you no

00:39:30.300 in Arabic

00:39:31.400 Hebrew

00:39:32.420 English

00:39:33.400 and French

00:39:34.100 it is an

00:39:34.780 emphatic

00:39:35.860 unequivocal

00:39:36.960 unassailable no.

00:39:38.060 you say

00:39:39.500 no

00:39:39.660 they shouldn't

00:39:40.080 be able to

00:39:40.520 they shouldn't

00:39:41.140 be able to

00:39:41.420 but they are

00:39:41.940 doing it right now

00:39:42.700 well they are

00:39:43.840 but boy

00:39:44.680 Trump winning

00:39:45.440 is going to

00:39:45.840 change that

00:39:46.320 so right now

00:39:47.180 there's people

00:39:47.780 that find it

00:39:48.500 as a good idea

00:39:49.340 for men

00:39:50.180 biological male

00:39:51.400 by the way

00:39:52.740 just so you know

00:39:53.260 I'm a person

00:39:54.020 just for the camera

00:39:54.520 I can

00:39:54.920 if someone asks me

00:39:55.720 to identify them

00:39:56.420 whatever they want

00:39:57.960 I'm so open minded

00:39:58.800 I believe in

00:39:59.580 personal liberty

00:40:00.280 by the way me too

00:40:00.880 yeah I know

00:40:01.300 I've heard you say

00:40:02.100 so I don't mind

00:40:03.380 what they want to do

00:40:03.940 but when it goes

00:40:05.040 to that extreme

00:40:05.620 where you have women

00:40:06.320 that you know

00:40:07.360 work all their life

00:40:08.620 to win the gold medal

00:40:09.440 that's all they do

00:40:10.580 in their life

00:40:10.980 and then how they have

00:40:11.520 to compete against

00:40:12.140 someone born as a male

00:40:13.500 that's where

00:40:14.760 in my opinion

00:40:15.380 lines are being crossed

00:40:16.220 so what you're saying

00:40:17.600 just to understand it

00:40:18.320 from someone

00:40:18.640 that's obviously

00:40:19.200 you've discussed

00:40:19.640 this issue at length

00:40:20.480 now Trump is president

00:40:22.520 we'll see how things change

00:40:23.460 but at the moment

00:40:24.140 there's men

00:40:25.140 competing against women

00:40:26.740 in professional sports

00:40:27.060 as a matter of fact

00:40:27.360 there was a study

00:40:28.000 that came out

00:40:28.660 I think maybe

00:40:29.160 I hope I'm not misspeaking

00:40:30.340 but it might have been

00:40:31.220 through the rather

00:40:32.380 woke United Nations

00:40:33.940 umbrella

00:40:34.460 that estimated

00:40:37.500 that there were at least

00:40:38.720 I don't know

00:40:39.260 at what level

00:40:39.900 but there were 900 medals

00:40:41.880 that have been won

00:40:43.320 by biological males

00:40:45.620 in women's sports

00:40:46.760 because often time

00:40:47.700 the really idiotic response

00:40:51.220 that you get

00:40:51.660 from the trans activists

00:40:52.580 is this is such

00:40:53.960 a rare occurrence

00:40:55.480 and it happens

00:40:56.460 so infrequently

00:40:57.340 what are you getting

00:40:58.680 all worked up about

00:40:59.760 by the way

00:41:00.560 even if there were

00:41:01.760 only one medal

00:41:02.760 that had been robbed

00:41:04.140 from a woman

00:41:04.880 it would have been enough

00:41:05.800 even if no medals

00:41:07.020 had been robbed

00:41:07.640 there is something

00:41:08.940 about adhering to truth

00:41:12.080 right

00:41:12.400 I mean

00:41:12.600 this is why

00:41:13.380 in the opening

00:41:14.360 chapter of

00:41:16.060 the parasitic mind

00:41:16.920 I talk about

00:41:17.980 my two foundational

00:41:19.120 life ideals

00:41:20.000 which is

00:41:20.480 truth and freedom

00:41:22.300 right

00:41:22.640 so even if not

00:41:23.980 a single woman

00:41:25.000 had been harmed

00:41:26.140 through this lunacy

00:41:27.360 to me

00:41:28.100 it is still

00:41:28.720 an affront

00:41:29.320 to human reason

00:41:30.140 because

00:41:30.800 we are a sexually

00:41:32.340 dimorphic species

00:41:33.660 that's the fancy term

00:41:34.720 meaning that

00:41:35.320 on average

00:41:36.740 men and women

00:41:37.560 are not the same

00:41:39.200 certainly when it comes

00:41:40.600 to physical strength

00:41:41.600 and as a matter of fact

00:41:42.500 you could look at

00:41:43.560 very objective metrics

00:41:45.640 in say

00:41:46.400 track and field

00:41:47.420 in every possible sport

00:41:49.160 that you could think of

00:41:50.040 and it's not even close

00:41:51.820 what say

00:41:52.840 the top men are

00:41:53.880 to the top women

00:41:54.960 but suddenly

00:41:56.040 through the parasitic idea

00:41:57.940 of transgenderism

00:41:59.820 by the way

00:42:00.800 when I say this

00:42:02.000 I don't mean to imply

00:42:02.900 that there is no such thing

00:42:04.320 as people who are confused

00:42:06.760 about their gender

00:42:07.600 gender dysphoria

00:42:08.720 gender dysphoria

00:42:09.620 and until very recently

00:42:11.320 if you let's say

00:42:12.280 wanted to go through

00:42:13.480 the sex reassignment

00:42:15.540 procedure

00:42:16.640 until say

00:42:17.740 15 minutes ago

00:42:19.480 when this transgender

00:42:20.560 stuff went wild

00:42:21.640 there was a very

00:42:23.860 very rigorous

00:42:24.740 psychiatric process

00:42:26.180 you had to go through

00:42:27.280 for years

00:42:28.500 before you were then

00:42:29.980 eventually

00:42:30.500 sexually reassigned

00:42:32.320 well now we've removed

00:42:33.540 all that

00:42:34.040 Monday morning

00:42:35.560 I'm a 6 foot 4 male

00:42:37.420 who has competed

00:42:38.360 as a male

00:42:39.160 in US college

00:42:42.080 competitions

00:42:42.760 in swimming

00:42:43.300 Tuesday

00:42:44.340 I'm Linda

00:42:45.380 that's it

00:42:46.620 shut up

00:42:47.000 do not question

00:42:48.120 my identity

00:42:48.840 that's insane

00:42:49.940 but it comes again

00:42:51.580 from this reflex

00:42:52.660 of being empathetic

00:42:53.960 but you're actually

00:42:54.740 not being empathetic

00:42:55.740 because in the service

00:42:57.320 of being empathetic

00:42:58.600 to 1 out of

00:42:59.580 10,000 people

00:43:00.640 who truly do have

00:43:01.980 gender dysphoria

00:43:02.700 you are

00:43:03.700 being

00:43:04.560 non-empathetic

00:43:05.960 to all of the

00:43:06.700 biological females

00:43:08.300 who have now

00:43:09.320 lost their place

00:43:10.040 on the podium

00:43:10.600 yes

00:43:11.760 I think

00:43:12.500 and it goes back

00:43:13.400 to the way

00:43:14.140 you've compared it

00:43:14.640 to a parasite

00:43:15.320 because you said

00:43:16.080 it starts with a few

00:43:17.020 and it starts

00:43:18.120 for well-intentioned

00:43:19.940 people

00:43:20.220 if you want to help

00:43:21.280 people that have

00:43:21.760 gender dysphoria

00:43:22.400 I'm all for it

00:43:23.880 I think people

00:43:24.240 should be educated

00:43:25.000 and even if it's

00:43:25.920 0.0001%

00:43:27.380 of the population

00:43:28.000 that's tens of

00:43:29.640 thousands of people

00:43:30.220 hundreds of thousands

00:43:30.720 of people

00:43:31.140 and they should be

00:43:32.460 given the attention

00:43:33.720 they deserve

00:43:34.280 every life is equal

00:43:35.620 so it starts

00:43:36.260 from a good place

00:43:36.960 exactly right

00:43:37.940 and then the leash

00:43:38.660 gets longer

00:43:39.960 and longer

00:43:40.460 until it breaks

00:43:41.180 until it breaks

00:43:42.220 and it starts

00:43:44.040 impacting others

00:43:44.880 you're helping

00:43:45.300 0.001%

00:43:46.740 and harming

00:43:47.300 everybody else

00:43:47.860 exactly

00:43:48.360 and actually

00:43:48.980 so in 2017

00:43:50.320 Mario

00:43:50.960 I was summoned

00:43:52.380 to appear

00:43:53.380 in front of

00:43:54.080 the Canadian Senate

00:43:54.940 with Jordan Peterson

00:43:56.580 yes

00:43:56.860 okay

00:43:57.260 I've had him

00:43:58.260 on the show

00:43:58.540 incredible man

00:43:59.180 okay yeah

00:43:59.600 we're good friends

00:44:00.800 he's a fellow Canadian

00:44:02.900 people ask us

00:44:04.460 what's in the Canadian

00:44:05.280 water that we have

00:44:06.200 some of the biggest

00:44:06.940 freedom fighters

00:44:08.180 I don't know

00:44:08.740 and weird jackets

00:44:09.640 he has two color jackets

00:44:10.820 and he has the professor jacket

00:44:12.300 there you go

00:44:12.900 by the way

00:44:14.360 the company

00:44:15.520 that created his

00:44:16.720 what you're calling

00:44:17.440 weird jacket

00:44:18.100 recently reached out

00:44:19.300 to me

00:44:19.720 and did

00:44:20.920 pro bono

00:44:22.740 did me

00:44:23.240 because I've always

00:44:23.840 wanted to have

00:44:24.500 a red velvet suit

00:44:26.680 they did one for me

00:44:28.300 and about two months ago

00:44:29.180 I picked it up

00:44:29.880 and maybe I should have

00:44:31.160 worn it today

00:44:31.760 I haven't yet

00:44:33.680 premiered it

00:44:34.360 you should do a photo

00:44:35.300 with it

00:44:35.620 and we'll put it

00:44:36.020 as a thumbnail

00:44:36.540 of the video

00:44:37.060 I do have

00:44:37.560 I'll send that to you

00:44:38.320 so both Jordan

00:44:41.740 and I had appeared

00:44:42.580 separately

00:44:43.140 in front of

00:44:43.600 the Canadian Senate

00:44:44.220 at the time

00:44:45.480 there was a discussion

00:44:46.680 about a bill

00:44:47.420 called Bill C-16

00:44:48.820 which was trying

00:44:50.340 to incorporate

00:44:51.500 gender identity

00:44:52.840 and gender orientation

00:44:54.180 under the rubric

00:44:55.360 of hate speech

00:44:56.780 and hate laws

00:44:57.840 and so I went up

00:44:59.360 in front of the

00:45:00.000 you can watch it

00:45:01.220 I have it on my channel

00:45:02.060 you can watch

00:45:02.960 my testimony

00:45:03.620 and I'm summarizing here

00:45:05.740 I said look

00:45:06.220 I'm all for

00:45:07.680 all people

00:45:08.620 living dignified lives

00:45:10.580 free of institutional

00:45:11.660 bigotry

00:45:12.080 that's great

00:45:12.500 but in the service

00:45:13.960 of doing that

00:45:15.060 you don't get to

00:45:16.780 murder and rape truth

00:45:18.280 and you don't get

00:45:19.260 to ask me

00:45:20.300 to celebrate

00:45:21.360 your unique personhood

00:45:22.620 right

00:45:22.840 so

00:45:23.060 and let me give you

00:45:23.960 a specific example

00:45:24.900 did you notice

00:45:26.000 recently that

00:45:26.960 I call her

00:45:27.920 occasional cortex

00:45:29.040 but AOC

00:45:30.440 very quietly

00:45:32.600 in the darkness

00:45:33.640 of the night

00:45:34.360 when nobody's looking

00:45:35.280 did you see

00:45:35.780 what she changed

00:45:36.420 in her bio

00:45:36.900 you didn't see that

00:45:37.880 Mario

00:45:38.120 no

00:45:38.460 there's no longer

00:45:39.780 any pronouns

00:45:40.700 in her bio

00:45:41.400 really

00:45:41.940 how come

00:45:43.040 until the

00:45:43.860 transgender

00:45:44.380 pronoun craze

00:45:45.540 came along

00:45:46.180 you never had

00:45:46.920 the first 35 years

00:45:47.980 of your life

00:45:48.520 it seemed as though

00:45:49.720 we could all recognize

00:45:50.660 that you were

00:45:51.360 female

00:45:52.000 but then for the next

00:45:53.440 two three years

00:45:54.300 of woke orgies

00:45:55.440 we had to all

00:45:57.000 put our

00:45:57.580 pronouns

00:45:58.380 not we

00:45:59.080 I didn't

00:45:59.620 but many people did

00:46:00.920 and then now

00:46:02.240 when it looks like

00:46:03.240 the ecosystem

00:46:04.060 is shifting

00:46:05.140 the leash is getting

00:46:05.940 shorter

00:46:06.240 the leash is getting

00:46:07.020 shorter

00:46:07.440 without anybody

00:46:08.640 looking

00:46:08.960 listen

00:46:09.480 if gender pronouns

00:46:10.620 are a good idea

00:46:11.580 they should be a good

00:46:12.600 idea forevermore

00:46:13.440 you should never

00:46:13.960 take them off

00:46:14.520 this demonstrates

00:46:16.060 the hypocrisy

00:46:17.700 and the performative

00:46:18.680 nature

00:46:19.100 of what she

00:46:20.240 and every other

00:46:21.500 person

00:46:22.080 who tried to force

00:46:23.380 others to put

00:46:24.120 gender

00:46:24.420 by the way

00:46:25.240 I think

00:46:27.240 it's called

00:46:28.760 Zuby's Maxim

00:46:29.760 do you know

00:46:30.520 who Zuby is

00:46:31.060 he's a

00:46:31.500 podcaster

00:46:32.060 yeah I was

00:46:33.460 with him last week

00:46:34.520 okay so he's got

00:46:35.640 this thing where

00:46:36.440 how woke

00:46:37.640 I can't remember

00:46:38.200 what his maxim is

00:46:39.000 but basically

00:46:39.760 he did win in the

00:46:40.420 competition as a

00:46:41.260 as a woman

00:46:41.780 yeah I couldn't

00:46:42.800 believe it

00:46:43.200 exactly

00:46:43.500 but he basically

00:46:44.740 argues and I

00:46:45.580 completely support

00:46:46.400 that position

00:46:46.800 I've argued

00:46:47.420 the same thing

00:46:47.920 that I could

00:46:48.820 pretty much

00:46:49.520 ignore anything

00:46:50.480 that you have

00:46:51.000 to say

00:46:51.360 as a function

00:46:52.040 of whether

00:46:52.540 there are

00:46:53.240 gender pronouns

00:46:53.920 in your bio

00:46:54.500 or not

00:46:54.960 because it's

00:46:55.780 such a silly

00:46:56.600 thing

00:46:56.880 I mean imagine

00:46:57.620 that a sexually

00:46:58.840 reproducing species

00:47:00.140 right

00:47:01.180 so I

00:47:01.620 when I went

00:47:02.160 in front of

00:47:02.480 the Canadian

00:47:02.720 Senate

00:47:02.920 I said

00:47:03.260 no no

00:47:03.760 I'm here

00:47:04.140 to tell you

00:47:04.680 as a chaired

00:47:05.220 professor

00:47:05.620 that there

00:47:06.440 is such

00:47:06.860 a thing

00:47:07.160 as male

00:47:07.540 and female

00:47:08.000 do we

00:47:08.920 really need

00:47:09.380 to do

00:47:09.640 that in

00:47:09.900 the 21st

00:47:10.420 century

00:47:10.720 well

00:47:11.380 apparently

00:47:11.660 we did

00:47:11.980 so

00:47:12.180 I am

00:47:13.520 let me

00:47:13.960 know

00:47:14.140 and I'd

00:47:14.700 love you

00:47:14.880 to disagree

00:47:15.280 as well

00:47:15.700 I think

00:47:16.180 if someone

00:47:16.500 wants to

00:47:16.760 have gender

00:47:17.140 pronouns

00:47:17.560 it's their

00:47:18.600 prerogative

00:47:19.100 and if

00:47:19.680 it's

00:47:20.100 you know

00:47:20.660 for the sake

00:47:21.160 of inclusion

00:47:21.740 probably not

00:47:22.760 the best

00:47:23.120 way to

00:47:23.460 apply

00:47:24.240 inclusion

00:47:24.660 but hey

00:47:25.380 you're doing

00:47:25.680 the right

00:47:25.920 thing

00:47:26.160 I think

00:47:26.420 where the

00:47:26.860 line for

00:47:27.240 me is

00:47:27.460 crossed

00:47:27.820 is when

00:47:28.800 you go

00:47:29.120 into free

00:47:29.660 speech

00:47:29.960 which is

00:47:30.200 something

00:47:30.440 similar to

00:47:31.240 you

00:47:31.300 I'm a

00:47:31.500 free

00:47:31.660 speech

00:47:31.960 absolutist

00:47:32.500 which we can

00:47:33.400 dig into

00:47:33.800 as well

00:47:34.140 I think

00:47:35.180 forcing others

00:47:36.540 to use a

00:47:37.640 certain gender

00:47:38.320 and to use

00:47:39.200 a certain

00:47:39.500 pronoun

00:47:39.840 that's where

00:47:41.300 in my

00:47:41.800 opinion

00:47:42.040 the line

00:47:42.340 is crossed

00:47:42.780 if you

00:47:43.320 want to

00:47:43.480 be

00:47:43.660 you know

00:47:44.460 someone

00:47:44.800 to address

00:47:47.120 you as

00:47:47.540 they

00:47:48.760 them

00:47:49.140 or whatever

00:47:50.020 other pronoun

00:47:50.420 I think

00:47:50.640 there's too

00:47:50.960 many I forgot

00:47:51.400 them all

00:47:51.720 now

00:47:51.980 that's fine

00:47:53.080 it's your

00:47:53.300 prerogative

00:47:53.600 forcing someone

00:47:54.260 else to say

00:47:54.700 and legally

00:47:55.360 forcing them

00:47:56.140 to say

00:47:56.460 it

00:47:56.620 considering

00:47:57.100 it hate

00:47:57.520 speech

00:47:57.780 which is

00:47:58.100 one of

00:47:58.300 the most

00:47:58.600 concerning

00:47:59.220 labels

00:47:59.800 that's been

00:48:00.160 created

00:48:00.720 in the last

00:48:01.260 few years

00:48:02.500 it's too

00:48:03.160 fine

00:48:03.420 and kind

00:48:03.740 of

00:48:03.860 we can

00:48:04.320 I would

00:48:04.920 love to

00:48:05.100 get your

00:48:05.320 thoughts

00:48:05.640 on this

00:48:05.920 and if

00:48:06.140 you disagree

00:48:06.520 with my

00:48:06.920 stance

00:48:07.240 if someone

00:48:07.560 wants to

00:48:07.740 have the

00:48:07.960 pronouns

00:48:08.220 it's fine

00:48:08.660 as long

00:48:08.900 as you

00:48:09.060 don't force

00:48:09.380 them onto

00:48:09.620 others

00:48:09.940 and then

00:48:10.620 kind of

00:48:10.840 link it

00:48:11.260 into the

00:48:11.700 importance

00:48:12.040 of free

00:48:12.360 speech

00:48:12.620 because I

00:48:12.920 think

00:48:13.040 what you

00:48:13.460 and Jordan

00:48:14.320 Peterson

00:48:14.640 were fighting

00:48:15.120 for

00:48:15.460 beyond the

00:48:16.980 whole

00:48:17.180 woke

00:48:17.780 mind

00:48:18.100 virus

00:48:18.520 is

00:48:19.380 the

00:48:20.080 importance

00:48:21.480 of free

00:48:21.840 speech

00:48:22.160 yes sir

00:48:22.600 so I

00:48:23.440 agree

00:48:24.040 but you

00:48:24.600 want to

00:48:24.880 put your

00:48:25.200 pronouns

00:48:25.500 go for

00:48:25.920 it

00:48:26.140 live

00:48:26.720 and let

00:48:26.980 live

00:48:27.140 so I'm

00:48:27.460 100%

00:48:27.920 with you

00:48:28.180 so I

00:48:28.340 don't

00:48:28.460 disagree

00:48:28.740 so let

00:48:29.840 me

00:48:30.020 begin by

00:48:30.960 explaining

00:48:31.540 how much

00:48:32.740 of a

00:48:33.020 free speech

00:48:33.520 absolutist

00:48:34.160 I am

00:48:34.540 and you

00:48:35.000 may have

00:48:35.300 heard me

00:48:35.660 mention this

00:48:36.060 example before

00:48:36.580 I'm Jewish

00:48:37.340 very strong

00:48:38.740 Jewish heritage

00:48:39.280 with very

00:48:40.160 difficult

00:48:40.700 upbringing

00:48:41.400 in Lebanon

00:48:42.040 I'm

00:48:43.080 you know

00:48:43.440 very much

00:48:44.020 a supporter

00:48:44.600 of Jews

00:48:45.680 being allowed

00:48:46.200 to exist

00:48:46.860 and not be

00:48:47.320 exterminated

00:48:47.960 it's not

00:48:48.480 too much

00:48:48.840 to ask

00:48:49.080 can you

00:48:50.260 before going

00:48:51.140 to free

00:48:51.440 speech

00:48:51.720 absolutism

00:48:52.460 your story

00:48:53.440 is a

00:48:54.300 fascinating

00:48:55.060 one

00:48:55.440 okay

00:48:55.680 you want me

00:48:55.980 to do that

00:48:56.340 before we

00:48:56.760 do free speech

00:48:57.160 I'd love it

00:48:57.440 exactly

00:48:57.780 because I

00:48:58.220 think that

00:48:58.580 played a role

00:48:59.240 in getting

00:49:00.020 you where

00:49:00.360 you are

00:49:00.660 today

00:49:00.940 your background

00:49:01.640 is very

00:49:02.520 similar to

00:49:02.980 what you're

00:49:03.280 fighting for

00:49:03.620 now

00:49:03.740 which speaks to

00:49:03.760 nurture

00:49:04.080 right

00:49:04.520 there is a

00:49:05.140 part of me

00:49:05.640 that's just

00:49:06.140 I'm innately

00:49:07.120 who I am

00:49:07.760 but then I'm

00:49:08.540 shaped also by

00:49:09.360 the unique

00:49:09.880 life experiences

00:49:10.880 that I've

00:49:11.360 experienced

00:49:11.820 right

00:49:12.060 so I was

00:49:13.080 born in

00:49:13.360 Lebanon

00:49:13.600 we were

00:49:14.380 part of

00:49:14.960 the last

00:49:15.660 remaining

00:49:16.380 very very

00:49:17.440 small

00:49:17.780 and dwindling

00:49:18.400 Jewish

00:49:18.740 community

00:49:19.200 in Lebanon

00:49:20.220 at its

00:49:21.620 maximum

00:49:22.040 point

00:49:22.560 there were

00:49:23.080 several

00:49:23.740 thousand

00:49:24.300 I think

00:49:24.820 maybe up

00:49:25.240 to 10

00:49:26.040 15 thousand

00:49:26.800 Jews in

00:49:27.320 Lebanon

00:49:27.540 before the

00:49:28.340 civil war

00:49:29.600 but in

00:49:30.380 the 20th

00:49:30.860 century

00:49:31.200 but then

00:49:32.520 throughout

00:49:32.860 the 20th

00:49:33.540 century

00:49:33.920 it became

00:49:34.680 a lot more

00:49:35.300 difficult to

00:49:35.760 be Jewish

00:49:36.120 in the

00:49:36.400 Middle East

00:49:36.880 in Arab

00:49:38.060 countries

00:49:38.460 and so

00:49:39.300 most of

00:49:39.980 my extended

00:49:40.660 family

00:49:41.320 grandparents

00:49:42.760 uncles

00:49:43.640 aunts

00:49:44.140 had all

00:49:44.660 left

00:49:45.060 Lebanon

00:49:45.500 they left

00:49:45.900 quick question

00:49:47.060 on that

00:49:47.360 point

00:49:47.600 how was

00:49:48.200 it

00:49:48.300 before

00:49:48.540 World

00:49:48.800 War

00:49:48.960 II

00:49:49.180 in

00:49:49.480 the

00:49:49.640 early

00:49:49.860 days

00:49:50.040 when

00:49:50.340 Lebanon

00:49:50.800 was

00:49:51.000 considered

00:49:51.260 Paris

00:49:52.260 and

00:49:52.420 Middle

00:49:52.560 East

00:49:52.900 what percentage

00:49:53.980 were

00:49:54.200 Jewish

00:49:54.460 do you know

00:49:54.800 very very little

00:49:55.860 5 to 10

00:49:56.720 thousand

00:49:57.040 at most

00:49:57.560 never too many

00:49:58.840 never too many

00:49:59.400 as a matter of

00:49:59.960 fact

00:50:00.180 Lebanon has

00:50:02.400 what's called

00:50:02.740 a confessional

00:50:03.540 system

00:50:04.000 in the

00:50:04.640 parliament

00:50:04.900 meaning that

00:50:05.580 you get

00:50:06.760 seats

00:50:07.760 assigned in

00:50:08.660 parliament

00:50:09.080 as a function

00:50:09.900 of your

00:50:10.240 religion

00:50:10.620 religion

00:50:10.960 and sect

00:50:13.000 for example

00:50:14.700 the president

00:50:16.140 has to always

00:50:17.160 be this

00:50:17.820 prime minister

00:50:18.880 has to be

00:50:19.540 that

00:50:19.900 the speaker

00:50:20.780 of the house

00:50:21.340 has to be

00:50:21.880 this

00:50:22.100 so it's

00:50:22.700 Shia

00:50:23.180 Christian

00:50:24.080 Maronite

00:50:24.540 Christian is

00:50:25.100 the president

00:50:25.500 because I've

00:50:25.820 interviewed some

00:50:26.340 of them for

00:50:26.680 the war

00:50:26.980 Christian is

00:50:27.660 the president

00:50:28.240 prime minister

00:50:29.040 Sunni Muslim

00:50:29.980 and then

00:50:30.400 the speaker

00:50:30.840 is Shia

00:50:31.280 Shia

00:50:31.660 yes

00:50:31.880 exactly

00:50:32.300 but was there

00:50:33.580 any representation

00:50:34.160 from Jewish

00:50:35.260 yes there was

00:50:35.940 one seat

00:50:36.500 from the

00:50:37.420 Jewish community

00:50:37.920 okay

00:50:38.200 so in that

00:50:39.560 sense

00:50:40.100 Mario

00:50:40.780 it's tolerant

00:50:41.840 but it's

00:50:42.840 tolerant

00:50:43.400 in French

00:50:44.960 you say

00:50:45.180 entre guillemets

00:50:45.820 like with

00:50:46.300 apostrophes

00:50:49.240 because

00:50:49.600 it's tolerant

00:50:51.080 in the Middle

00:50:51.760 Eastern sense

00:50:52.540 we tolerate

00:50:53.420 you

00:50:53.840 and we

00:50:54.660 reserve

00:50:55.000 the right

00:50:55.840 at any

00:50:56.240 point

00:50:56.520 to stop

00:50:57.000 tolerating

00:50:57.440 you

00:50:57.620 and when

00:50:58.260 we stop

00:50:58.660 tolerating

00:50:59.080 you

00:50:59.280 you better

00:50:59.700 put on

00:51:00.080 really good

00:51:00.640 running

00:51:00.900 shoes

00:51:01.180 and run

00:51:01.640 really fast

00:51:02.320 because we're

00:51:03.040 coming for

00:51:03.460 you

00:51:03.580 and that's

00:51:03.800 what happened

00:51:04.100 to us

00:51:04.980 so my

00:51:06.260 immediate

00:51:07.220 family

00:51:07.740 my nuclear

00:51:08.440 family

00:51:08.980 so I'm

00:51:09.720 my parents

00:51:10.700 and we're

00:51:11.280 four kids

00:51:12.080 had stayed

00:51:13.220 in Lebanon

00:51:13.640 but the

00:51:14.700 writing was

00:51:15.340 on the

00:51:15.620 wall

00:51:15.820 even before

00:51:16.480 the civil

00:51:16.880 war started

00:51:17.480 so for

00:51:18.200 example

00:51:18.600 one of

00:51:19.720 my brothers

00:51:20.380 who was

00:51:21.100 a big

00:51:21.560 judo champion

00:51:22.400 he's the

00:51:25.560 next oldest

00:51:26.560 he's 10 years

00:51:27.200 older than me

00:51:27.780 he's the one

00:51:28.380 in the club

00:51:28.800 that always

00:51:29.300 went after

00:51:29.780 the women

00:51:30.080 and did

00:51:30.360 really well

00:51:30.860 look at you

00:51:31.660 having done

00:51:32.180 your homework

00:51:32.720 that's him

00:51:33.380 that's him

00:51:33.820 he's the guy

00:51:34.800 who was very

00:51:35.540 wealthy

00:51:35.900 in southern

00:51:36.360 California

00:51:36.800 so he

00:51:39.340 was Lebanese

00:51:40.100 champion

00:51:40.480 for several

00:51:41.260 years in a

00:51:41.800 row

00:51:42.000 and it's

00:51:43.140 not very

00:51:43.720 nice when

00:51:44.440 a Jewish

00:51:45.180 guy is

00:51:45.820 winning

00:51:46.260 and making

00:51:46.900 the rest

00:51:47.440 of us

00:51:47.680 look bad

00:51:48.160 so he

00:51:48.900 was visited

00:51:49.480 by some

00:51:49.980 men who

00:51:50.600 explained to

00:51:51.380 him that it

00:51:51.740 was time

00:51:52.140 for him

00:51:52.440 to retire

00:51:53.120 lest there

00:51:54.200 might be an

00:51:54.660 accident that

00:51:55.180 happens to

00:51:55.620 him

00:51:55.780 so he

00:51:56.420 realized that

00:51:57.000 that was

00:51:57.360 the end

00:51:57.640 of his

00:51:57.980 judo

00:51:58.300 career in

00:51:58.740 Lebanon

00:51:58.960 so he

00:51:59.420 ended up

00:51:59.900 moving

00:52:00.540 to Paris

00:52:01.620 in France

00:52:02.280 the French

00:52:03.640 have historically

00:52:04.140 had a very

00:52:04.660 good tradition

00:52:05.520 in judo

00:52:06.020 to pursue

00:52:06.820 his studies

00:52:07.540 and his

00:52:08.420 judo career

00:52:09.000 before the

00:52:10.280 civil war

00:52:10.820 the civil war

00:52:11.420 hadn't broken

00:52:11.840 out but it

00:52:12.440 was already

00:52:12.760 starting to

00:52:13.140 get bad

00:52:13.520 then my

00:52:14.300 other brother

00:52:14.940 who's the

00:52:15.400 eldest

00:52:15.840 who's almost

00:52:16.780 14 years

00:52:17.340 older than

00:52:17.700 me

00:52:17.860 had married

00:52:19.060 a Lebanese

00:52:20.540 Christian girl

00:52:21.880 which already

00:52:22.800 was terribly

00:52:23.940 traumatic both

00:52:24.760 to her family

00:52:25.520 and to my

00:52:26.240 family

00:52:26.620 wouldn't she

00:52:27.240 need to

00:52:27.520 convert to

00:52:28.280 judoism

00:52:28.740 well

00:52:28.980 technically

00:52:29.600 yes but

00:52:30.100 what they

00:52:30.400 ended up

00:52:30.780 doing is

00:52:31.580 what used

00:52:32.160 to happen

00:52:32.620 in Lebanon

00:52:33.100 is you

00:52:33.860 couldn't

00:52:34.200 get married

00:52:34.860 interfaith

00:52:35.820 because let's

00:52:37.240 say the

00:52:37.500 church

00:52:37.760 wouldn't

00:52:38.060 allow it

00:52:38.560 and so

00:52:39.620 what people

00:52:40.120 would do

00:52:40.480 they would

00:52:40.840 elope to

00:52:41.880 Cyprus to

00:52:42.560 get married

00:52:43.040 and that's

00:52:43.820 what my

00:52:44.220 even back

00:52:44.740 then

00:52:44.980 so my

00:52:45.660 ex-assisted

00:52:46.140 in law

00:52:46.400 who unfortunately

00:52:47.520 recently passed

00:52:48.140 away

00:52:48.380 she was

00:52:49.320 Palestinian

00:52:50.320 Christian

00:52:51.140 wow

00:52:51.540 okay

00:52:51.960 so anyway

00:52:53.180 so one

00:52:54.780 day they

00:52:55.120 were stopped

00:52:55.700 at a

00:52:56.280 roadblock

00:52:57.640 by PLO

00:52:58.700 fighters

00:52:59.100 Palestinian

00:52:59.620 liberation

00:53:00.100 organization

00:53:00.440 the Yasser

00:53:01.220 Arafat

00:53:01.680 guys

00:53:02.020 from back

00:53:02.620 in the

00:53:02.820 day

00:53:02.960 and they

00:53:03.980 stopped

00:53:04.340 them

00:53:04.540 and as

00:53:05.400 often

00:53:05.780 happens

00:53:06.200 in these

00:53:06.540 countries

00:53:06.900 they look

00:53:07.960 at his

00:53:09.100 watch

00:53:09.560 and say

00:53:09.780 oh that's

00:53:10.300 a really

00:53:10.580 nice

00:53:10.860 watch

00:53:11.200 you're

00:53:11.360 wearing

00:53:11.640 which

00:53:12.220 basically

00:53:12.520 means

00:53:12.880 fork it

00:53:13.600 over

00:53:13.820 he says

00:53:14.720 I'm not

00:53:15.100 giving you

00:53:15.480 this watch

00:53:16.100 it's my

00:53:16.700 mother

00:53:16.940 just gave

00:53:17.360 it to me

00:53:17.620 that's your

00:53:17.700 brother

00:53:17.960 that's my

00:53:18.320 eldest

00:53:18.720 brother

00:53:19.040 okay

00:53:19.340 and so

00:53:20.460 then they

00:53:20.780 look and

00:53:21.140 say oh

00:53:21.480 that's

00:53:21.880 that's a

00:53:22.300 beautiful

00:53:22.780 blonde

00:53:23.840 wife

00:53:24.120 you have

00:53:24.480 there

00:53:24.720 which

00:53:25.280 basically

00:53:25.680 means

00:53:26.120 time to

00:53:27.380 make a

00:53:27.680 choice

00:53:28.020 you want

00:53:28.880 to keep

00:53:29.380 the wife

00:53:29.780 or you

00:53:30.040 want to

00:53:30.380 keep

00:53:30.600 the

00:53:30.900 watch

00:53:31.360 so

00:53:32.080 then they

00:53:32.800 moved

00:53:33.280 from

00:53:34.120 Lebanon

00:53:35.340 and they

00:53:35.980 came to

00:53:36.340 Montreal

00:53:36.720 I think

00:53:37.640 that he

00:53:37.900 gave away

00:53:38.200 the watch

00:53:38.540 they moved

00:53:39.900 here in

00:53:40.260 1974

00:53:41.060 just before

00:53:42.160 the war

00:53:42.380 and then

00:53:44.000 my sister

00:53:44.720 who's 12

00:53:46.120 years older

00:53:46.520 than me

00:53:46.860 also moved

00:53:48.300 to Montreal

00:53:48.900 prior to the

00:53:49.800 start of the

00:53:50.220 civil war

00:53:50.700 so there

00:53:51.680 were very

00:53:52.140 few of us

00:53:52.720 left

00:53:52.980 and then

00:53:53.260 the war

00:53:53.560 broke out

00:53:54.060 so once

00:53:55.180 the war

00:53:55.580 broke out

00:53:56.220 all bets

00:53:57.220 were off

00:53:57.580 then you

00:53:58.640 really

00:53:58.960 couldn't

00:53:59.420 be Jewish

00:53:59.960 and it

00:54:00.640 was

00:54:00.960 you know

00:54:01.540 your hair

00:54:01.960 is on

00:54:02.220 fire

00:54:02.460 you have

00:54:02.860 to leave

00:54:03.240 so people

00:54:04.040 say okay

00:54:04.420 but before

00:54:05.100 the civil

00:54:05.600 war

00:54:06.020 how was

00:54:07.000 it being

00:54:07.380 Jewish

00:54:07.800 I said

00:54:08.280 well look

00:54:08.600 it's not

00:54:08.960 as though

00:54:09.320 every day

00:54:10.020 somebody

00:54:10.400 was coming

00:54:10.880 to hunt

00:54:11.260 you down

00:54:11.580 because

00:54:11.840 obviously

00:54:12.540 if people

00:54:12.940 want to

00:54:13.200 find out

00:54:13.540 you're

00:54:13.780 Jewish

00:54:13.980 they just

00:54:14.580 have to

00:54:14.840 go

00:54:15.080 Saturday

00:54:15.760 when you

00:54:16.120 go to

00:54:16.360 the synagogue

00:54:16.820 and they'll

00:54:17.400 see that

00:54:17.740 you're

00:54:17.920 Jewish

00:54:18.100 so it's

00:54:18.400 not as

00:54:18.780 though

00:54:18.920 it was

00:54:19.280 a complete

00:54:20.240 abject

00:54:24.060 don't

00:54:24.820 trigger

00:54:25.220 us

00:54:25.540 don't

00:54:25.880 wear

00:54:26.120 a big

00:54:26.440 star

00:54:26.720 of

00:54:26.860 David

00:54:27.120 right

00:54:27.380 so I

00:54:28.740 tell a few

00:54:29.240 stories

00:54:29.700 that kind

00:54:30.760 of give

00:54:31.040 you a sense

00:54:31.540 of what

00:54:31.800 it was

00:54:32.100 to be

00:54:32.340 in the

00:54:32.580 Paris

00:54:32.860 of the

00:54:33.080 Middle

00:54:33.240 East

00:54:33.520 as a

00:54:33.880 Jew

00:54:34.020 in

00:54:35.100 1970

00:54:35.960 Gamal

00:54:37.440 Abdul Nasser

00:54:38.180 who was

00:54:38.700 the president

00:54:39.340 of Egypt

00:54:39.880 who was

00:54:40.600 very revered

00:54:41.500 across the

00:54:42.020 Arab world

00:54:42.560 because he

00:54:43.320 was a

00:54:43.640 pan-Arabist

00:54:44.400 meaning he

00:54:44.900 was trying

00:54:45.260 to unite

00:54:46.000 all of

00:54:46.820 the Arab

00:54:47.220 countries

00:54:47.580 into one

00:54:48.420 unit

00:54:48.760 we have

00:54:49.860 to get

00:54:50.120 rid of

00:54:50.400 those

00:54:50.640 pesky Jews

00:54:51.480 we have

00:54:52.060 to be

00:54:52.300 one common

00:54:53.020 group

00:54:53.520 well when

00:54:54.460 he passed

00:54:54.960 away in

00:54:55.340 1970

00:54:55.900 as often

00:54:56.780 happens in

00:54:57.360 the Middle

00:54:57.580 East

00:54:57.820 people take

00:54:58.400 to the

00:54:58.700 street

00:54:59.040 with

00:54:59.320 fervor

00:54:59.780 actually the

00:55:00.720 Arabic word

00:55:01.540 for fervor

00:55:02.160 is

00:55:02.380 Hamas

00:55:03.060 people don't

00:55:04.340 know this

00:55:04.640 right

00:55:04.840 Hamas

00:55:05.420 with fervor

00:55:06.040 right

00:55:06.260 so they

00:55:06.840 go to

00:55:07.100 the street

00:55:07.420 and they

00:55:07.700 do

00:55:07.840 lamentations

00:55:08.640 and they

00:55:08.960 scream

00:55:09.200 to God

00:55:09.660 and they

00:55:10.000 do all

00:55:10.420 kinds

00:55:10.600 of

00:55:10.720 protests

00:55:11.080 right

00:55:11.300 well as

00:55:12.380 they were

00:55:12.700 proceeding

00:55:13.140 down our

00:55:13.660 street

00:55:14.100 to lament

00:55:15.960 the fact

00:55:16.720 that the

00:55:17.160 Egyptian

00:55:17.680 president

00:55:18.700 had just

00:55:19.260 died

00:55:19.600 the chant

00:55:20.680 was

00:55:21.060 death to

00:55:21.900 Jews

00:55:22.240 death to

00:55:22.960 Jews

00:55:23.260 I'm five

00:55:24.000 years old

00:55:24.300 I was

00:55:24.620 almost

00:55:25.040 do you

00:55:25.180 remember

00:55:25.320 any of

00:55:25.680 it

00:55:25.820 yeah

00:55:26.040 yeah

00:55:26.240 well I

00:55:26.480 mean

00:55:26.620 how am I

00:55:27.420 saying the

00:55:27.780 story

00:55:28.000 of course

00:55:28.300 this is from

00:55:30.020 my memory

00:55:30.400 and I remember

00:55:30.940 I was kind of

00:55:31.800 looking up

00:55:32.260 from the

00:55:32.580 balcony

00:55:32.920 and my

00:55:33.500 mother says

00:55:33.920 I said

00:55:34.700 why are you

00:55:35.260 screaming

00:55:35.560 death to

00:55:36.340 Jews

00:55:36.520 what do

00:55:36.920 we have

00:55:37.120 to do

00:55:37.320 with this

00:55:37.500 so that

00:55:37.680 was my

00:55:37.940 first

00:55:38.420 conscious

00:55:39.700 memory

00:55:40.320 of having

00:55:41.760 seen

00:55:42.320 hatred

00:55:43.080 towards

00:55:43.560 the

00:55:43.760 Jews

00:55:43.980 so that's

00:55:44.400 one

00:55:44.600 story

00:55:45.580 two

00:55:45.980 maybe

00:55:48.280 about a

00:55:48.700 year before

00:55:49.180 the Civil

00:55:49.540 War

00:55:49.860 we're in

00:55:50.860 class

00:55:51.220 and the

00:55:52.220 teacher

00:55:52.500 says

00:55:53.040 each of

00:55:54.440 you get

00:55:54.720 up

00:55:54.900 stand up

00:55:55.440 and tell

00:55:56.120 us

00:55:56.420 what you

00:55:57.120 want to

00:55:57.320 be when

00:55:57.660 you grow

00:55:58.100 up

00:55:58.340 I want

00:55:59.900 to be

00:56:00.080 a soccer

00:56:00.440 player

00:56:00.740 I want

00:56:01.040 to be

00:56:01.240 a doctor

00:56:01.660 I want

00:56:02.060 to be

00:56:02.260 a policeman

00:56:02.800 one of

00:56:03.500 the kids

00:56:03.820 gets up

00:56:05.020 says when

00:56:05.800 I grow

00:56:06.120 up I

00:56:06.480 want to

00:56:06.720 be a

00:56:07.320 Jew

00:56:07.480 killer

00:56:07.720 to

00:56:09.060 raucous

00:56:09.920 laughter

00:56:10.400 and

00:56:10.600 applause

00:56:11.040 well that

00:56:12.080 by the

00:56:12.420 way I

00:56:12.660 have

00:56:13.100 you know

00:56:13.340 those

00:56:13.560 class

00:56:14.760 photos

00:56:15.500 that you

00:56:15.860 have

00:56:16.120 where you're

00:56:16.440 all

00:56:16.640 standing

00:56:17.000 I've

00:56:17.760 got

00:56:17.980 the

00:56:18.200 class

00:56:18.540 photos

00:56:18.920 with

00:56:19.600 that

00:56:19.840 student

00:56:20.120 have you

00:56:20.300 tried

00:56:20.440 reaching

00:56:20.720 out

00:56:20.920 to

00:56:21.020 him

00:56:21.080 I've

00:56:21.220 never

00:56:21.400 reached

00:56:21.680 out

00:56:21.820 I've

00:56:22.320 never

00:56:22.440 even

00:56:22.640 said

00:56:22.880 his

00:56:23.080 name

00:56:23.520 out

00:56:24.400 of

00:56:28.340 what I

00:56:30.640 think

00:56:30.780 you should

00:56:30.980 do

00:56:31.100 is

00:56:31.200 try to

00:56:31.880 find him

00:56:32.180 and do

00:56:32.480 an interview

00:56:32.820 with him

00:56:33.580 it might

00:56:34.920 go really

00:56:35.300 bad

00:56:35.680 or it might

00:56:36.640 end up

00:56:37.020 changing

00:56:37.400 a complete

00:56:37.780 mindset

00:56:38.220 change

00:56:38.680 but it's

00:56:39.100 just

00:56:39.280 that's

00:56:39.720 a cool

00:56:39.980 it'll be

00:56:40.300 fascinating

00:56:40.700 that would

00:56:41.080 be cool

00:56:41.380 to do

00:56:41.720 but sorry

00:56:42.100 to interrupt

00:56:42.380 the story

00:56:42.720 well I'll

00:56:44.160 tell you

00:56:44.460 it might

00:56:45.540 be tough

00:56:46.020 to go

00:56:46.360 back to

00:56:46.900 a kid

00:56:47.240 from 1974

00:56:48.060 and track

00:56:48.760 him

00:56:48.900 although I'm

00:56:49.540 sure I

00:56:49.860 probably

00:56:50.180 could

00:56:50.420 if he's

00:56:50.680 still

00:56:50.820 alive

00:56:51.120 I'm

00:56:51.900 not that

00:56:52.240 old

00:56:52.440 but there

00:56:53.760 is a

00:56:54.060 more recent

00:56:54.660 story

00:56:55.180 of

00:56:55.820 antisemitism

00:56:56.540 where I

00:56:57.300 think I

00:56:57.640 could reach

00:56:58.100 that guy

00:56:58.420 I'll tell

00:56:58.720 that story

00:56:59.060 but that's

00:56:59.360 not

00:56:59.500 Lebanon

00:56:59.780 but it's

00:57:00.220 a side

00:57:01.260 parenthesis

00:57:01.880 can we

00:57:02.180 go there

00:57:02.440 for a second

00:57:02.820 please

00:57:03.480 first semester

00:57:04.740 as a doctoral

00:57:06.060 student at

00:57:06.600 Cornell

00:57:06.980 what year

00:57:08.100 was that

00:57:08.420 1990

00:57:09.020 so I'm

00:57:10.560 starting

00:57:11.080 I finished

00:57:11.960 I did an

00:57:12.980 undergrad

00:57:13.260 MBA here

00:57:14.080 now I'm

00:57:14.400 going to

00:57:14.760 do my

00:57:15.520 master's

00:57:16.300 of science

00:57:16.540 and PhD

00:57:16.900 at Cornell

00:57:17.320 first semester

00:57:18.640 I connect

00:57:20.380 with some

00:57:21.680 Lebanese

00:57:22.260 guys

00:57:22.620 because I'm

00:57:23.720 Lebanese

00:57:24.140 and we're

00:57:25.060 always hanging

00:57:25.820 around and

00:57:26.420 playing soccer

00:57:27.180 and so on

00:57:27.740 and actually

00:57:28.860 the guy

00:57:29.400 who connected

00:57:30.100 was my

00:57:30.900 conduit to

00:57:31.700 that

00:57:32.000 community

00:57:33.160 of guys

00:57:33.680 there

00:57:33.900 is

00:57:34.680 I don't

00:57:35.440 think he

00:57:35.760 minds if I

00:57:36.200 mention his

00:57:36.600 name

00:57:36.820 his name

00:57:37.200 is Karim

00:57:37.720 Talib

00:57:38.320 who is the

00:57:39.400 cousin

00:57:39.760 of Nassim

00:57:40.720 Talib

00:57:41.180 I don't know

00:57:41.920 if you know

00:57:42.200 Nassim

00:57:42.500 Talib

00:57:42.680 is a very

00:57:43.200 famous

00:57:43.560 author

00:57:44.000 Lebanese

00:57:44.540 author

00:57:44.820 anti-fragile

00:57:45.460 fooled by

00:57:47.580 randomness

00:57:48.120 and so on

00:57:48.580 so Karim

00:57:49.500 was

00:57:50.100 studying at

00:57:51.720 Cornell

00:57:51.940 and through

00:57:53.220 a Lebanese

00:57:53.720 friend here

00:57:54.240 who told me

00:57:54.680 to reach out

00:57:55.280 to him

00:57:55.540 there

00:57:55.780 that's how

00:57:56.240 I connected

00:57:56.680 Nassim Talib

00:57:57.240 is also Lebanese

00:57:58.020 Nassim Talib

00:57:59.000 is also Lebanese

00:57:59.520 absolutely

00:57:59.980 and he's

00:58:00.400 actually come

00:58:00.840 to visit me

00:58:01.300 in Montreal

00:58:01.600 before

00:58:01.800 he's a good

00:58:03.320 guy

00:58:03.540 can be fiery

00:58:05.620 at times

00:58:06.040 but he's a good

00:58:06.560 guy

00:58:06.820 so

00:58:08.260 I get to

00:58:10.160 I get to

00:58:10.180 I get to know

00:58:10.280 all these

00:58:10.580 guys

00:58:10.960 we're playing

00:58:11.460 soccer

00:58:11.980 all is

00:58:12.740 well

00:58:13.100 maybe about

00:58:15.120 two months

00:58:15.520 into my

00:58:15.920 first semester

00:58:16.460 at Cornell

00:58:16.840 one of

00:58:17.480 those guys

00:58:18.080 Muslim

00:58:19.500 Lebanese

00:58:20.120 guy

00:58:20.380 invites me

00:58:21.260 out for

00:58:21.640 a coffee

00:58:22.040 we go

00:58:22.480 out

00:58:22.640 you know

00:58:23.260 the story

00:58:23.620 yes

00:58:23.860 I remember

00:58:24.200 do you remember

00:58:25.260 what the title

00:58:26.220 of that story

00:58:26.740 is

00:58:26.960 no I don't

00:58:27.480 remember

00:58:27.680 the title

00:58:28.060 but it's

00:58:28.460 saying

00:58:28.680 I know

00:58:29.920 you're a Jew

00:58:30.240 but you're

00:58:30.520 not like

00:58:30.740 the other

00:58:30.980 Jews

00:58:31.220 something

00:58:31.480 well

00:58:32.220 the story

00:58:32.860 is called

00:58:33.260 the Jew

00:58:33.980 Jew

00:58:34.220 story

00:58:34.580 yes

00:58:35.020 yes

00:58:35.340 so

00:58:36.440 he

00:58:37.940 so we go

00:58:38.600 out

00:58:38.920 the first

00:58:39.520 thing he

00:58:39.780 says to me

00:58:40.220 usually I don't

00:58:41.040 tell that part

00:58:41.580 of the story

00:58:41.840 but I'll

00:58:42.120 give you that

00:58:43.120 special exclusive

00:58:44.400 here

00:58:44.720 first he says

00:58:46.220 you know

00:58:46.440 God

00:58:46.700 you're a very

00:58:47.540 bright guy

00:58:48.180 I don't

00:58:48.820 why haven't

00:58:49.720 you converted

00:58:50.840 to Islam

00:58:51.420 yet

00:58:51.680 I'm like

00:58:52.860 if this is

00:58:53.960 the point

00:58:54.400 of you

00:58:54.680 inviting me

00:58:55.160 for a coffee

00:58:55.860 this is not

00:58:56.980 going to go

00:58:57.500 well

00:58:57.800 so then he

00:58:58.800 kind of

00:58:59.180 moves away

00:59:00.040 from that

00:59:00.500 then he's

00:59:01.600 he's looking

00:59:02.100 he looks at

00:59:02.580 me he goes

00:59:03.020 you know

00:59:03.700 God

00:59:04.040 I really

00:59:05.220 like you

00:59:05.780 I said

00:59:07.120 what

00:59:08.140 why do you

00:59:08.760 say that

00:59:09.240 as though

00:59:09.800 it's surprising

00:59:11.120 oh I know

00:59:12.240 I'm not going

00:59:12.920 to say his

00:59:13.320 name out of

00:59:13.760 respect

00:59:14.000 oh it's

00:59:15.320 because I'm

00:59:15.820 Jewish

00:59:16.300 he goes

00:59:17.400 no no

00:59:17.720 come on

00:59:17.980 but I

00:59:18.320 mean you're

00:59:18.600 not a

00:59:18.900 Jew

00:59:19.080 Jew

00:59:19.360 I said

00:59:20.180 no no

00:59:20.820 I'm a

00:59:21.540 Jew

00:59:21.740 Jew

00:59:22.260 Jew

00:59:22.280 but the

00:59:23.360 point of

00:59:23.700 that story

00:59:24.200 that I

00:59:24.500 tell

00:59:24.780 is because

00:59:25.380 the only

00:59:26.220 way he

00:59:26.720 could reconcile

00:59:27.480 him having

00:59:28.760 positive

00:59:29.720 feelings

00:59:30.360 towards me

00:59:31.140 is to

00:59:32.040 negate

00:59:32.620 that I'm

00:59:33.380 really

00:59:33.860 what he

00:59:34.420 despises

00:59:35.120 I'm not

00:59:36.140 a real

00:59:36.720 Jew

00:59:37.060 that's why

00:59:37.760 he can

00:59:38.120 like me

00:59:38.660 is that

00:59:39.360 him

00:59:39.540 is that

00:59:39.820 the

00:59:39.960 cognitive

00:59:40.300 dissonance

00:59:40.800 kind of

00:59:41.180 fight with

00:59:41.940 his

00:59:42.100 parasites

00:59:42.620 is a

00:59:43.060 parasitic

00:59:43.540 belief

00:59:44.660 that

00:59:45.000 hatred

00:59:45.660 against

00:59:46.000 any

00:59:46.280 religion

00:59:46.820 Christianity

00:59:47.520 Judaism

00:59:48.200 Islam

00:59:49.120 or any

00:59:49.460 other

00:59:49.680 essentially

00:59:50.640 becomes a

00:59:51.620 parasite

00:59:51.980 that's

00:59:52.240 embedded in

00:59:52.700 your brain

00:59:53.040 since you

00:59:53.360 were a

00:59:53.560 kid

00:59:53.760 and

00:59:54.780 absolutely

00:59:55.300 as you

00:59:55.880 grow old

00:59:56.240 you realize

00:59:56.720 hold on

00:59:57.020 that's not

00:59:57.340 really

00:59:57.580 true

00:59:57.980 this

00:59:58.320 Jewish

00:59:59.420 person

00:59:59.860 or Muslim

01:00:00.640 person

01:00:01.000 they're just

01:00:02.080 like me

01:00:02.480 but that's not

01:00:03.560 what I was

01:00:03.860 taught as a

01:00:04.240 kid

01:00:04.440 and then you

01:00:05.220 start fighting

01:00:05.820 that parasite

01:00:06.440 and by the way

01:00:07.500 the guy who

01:00:08.880 developed the

01:00:10.780 theory of

01:00:11.220 cognitive dissonance

01:00:12.000 is Leon

01:00:12.500 Festinger

01:00:13.040 who's a

01:00:13.960 brilliant guy

01:00:14.520 people should

01:00:14.920 go back and

01:00:15.360 read him from

01:00:15.720 the 50s and

01:00:16.280 60s

01:00:16.740 his insights

01:00:17.740 into the

01:00:18.680 types of

01:00:19.400 cognitive

01:00:19.940 machinations

01:00:20.740 that people

01:00:21.380 do to

01:00:22.220 resolve their

01:00:22.980 internal

01:00:23.400 inconsistencies

01:00:24.260 so the way

01:00:24.960 he resolved

01:00:25.540 it is he

01:00:26.420 removes the

01:00:27.520 true marker

01:00:28.260 of being

01:00:28.680 Jewish

01:00:28.940 you're not

01:00:29.360 a Jew

01:00:29.800 Jew

01:00:30.120 but I've

01:00:30.760 always thought

01:00:31.260 you know

01:00:31.940 I'm quite

01:00:32.800 in the public

01:00:33.880 eye

01:00:34.280 I would love

01:00:35.480 for him to

01:00:36.420 one day

01:00:36.840 write to me

01:00:37.580 and say

01:00:37.880 you know

01:00:38.160 I heard

01:00:39.180 that story

01:00:39.840 you shared

01:00:40.260 about me

01:00:40.900 I'll get his

01:00:41.520 details afterwards

01:00:42.260 and I'll

01:00:42.940 reach out

01:00:43.760 and write

01:00:44.080 to him

01:00:44.380 and maybe

01:00:44.900 do a

01:00:45.520 show on

01:00:46.220 it

01:00:46.300 because

01:00:46.420 first we'll

01:00:47.420 see where

01:00:47.780 he's at

01:00:48.120 now

01:00:48.340 mentally

01:00:48.760 but also

01:00:49.460 it'll be

01:00:49.660 very interesting

01:00:50.340 especially

01:00:50.740 in the current

01:00:51.480 state of

01:00:51.860 things

01:00:52.080 and there'll

01:00:53.100 be

01:00:53.300 it'll be

01:00:54.220 fascinating

01:00:54.600 to get

01:00:54.880 his take

01:00:55.680 on it

01:00:56.020 and what

01:00:56.520 he remembers

01:00:57.100 from that

01:00:57.480 day

01:00:57.720 and then

01:00:59.760 so I love

01:01:01.220 the story

01:01:01.660 and that was

01:01:02.300 linking to your

01:01:02.880 story

01:01:03.240 the reason I'm

01:01:04.000 really digging

01:01:04.380 into your

01:01:04.700 Lebanon story

01:01:05.200 because it

01:01:05.460 kind of led

01:01:05.800 to who you

01:01:06.120 are today

01:01:06.460 and a lot

01:01:06.720 of what

01:01:06.940 you're talking

01:01:07.300 about today

01:01:07.860 and it is

01:01:08.640 also a

01:01:09.080 fascinating

01:01:09.420 story

01:01:09.900 so you know

01:01:11.720 most of your

01:01:12.080 family left

01:01:12.560 by the 70s

01:01:13.320 your parents

01:01:14.180 left did they

01:01:14.700 ever come

01:01:15.040 back

01:01:15.360 yes so we

01:01:16.200 moved here

01:01:16.940 end of 75

01:01:17.800 so to

01:01:19.660 Montreal

01:01:19.980 so we go

01:01:22.560 through the

01:01:22.900 first year

01:01:23.200 the Civil

01:01:23.520 War

01:01:23.800 we get

01:01:24.680 here

01:01:25.000 my parents

01:01:26.400 they're already

01:01:27.680 I mean not

01:01:28.300 old but

01:01:28.940 so this is

01:01:29.660 1975 so my

01:01:30.740 mother is

01:01:31.180 41 my

01:01:32.300 father is

01:01:32.940 45 I guess

01:01:35.000 he's born in

01:01:35.660 1930 he's born

01:01:36.480 1934 so they're

01:01:37.700 already almost

01:01:38.720 middle-aged

01:01:39.380 they're Lebanese

01:01:41.300 so I'll tell you a

01:01:42.600 quick story about

01:01:43.100 how difficult it

01:01:43.780 was for them to

01:01:44.400 acculturate to

01:01:45.520 Canada

01:01:46.080 so the first

01:01:48.360 month or two

01:01:49.080 my father kept

01:01:50.300 receiving parking

01:01:51.620 ticket somewhere

01:01:52.500 okay where he

01:01:53.340 would park

01:01:53.740 and so at

01:01:55.100 one point he

01:01:55.880 turns around to

01:01:56.880 whomever and

01:01:57.580 says well who's

01:01:58.740 the cop that I

01:01:59.560 have to speak

01:02:00.220 to to get

01:02:01.260 this thing

01:02:01.720 resolved which

01:02:02.760 in the Lebanese

01:02:03.900 context it's

01:02:05.220 all in Arabic

01:02:05.960 you say

01:02:06.280 wasta

01:02:06.820 wasta is like

01:02:08.080 connections

01:02:08.740 connections

01:02:09.100 right and

01:02:09.980 so the

01:02:11.200 person who he

01:02:11.880 says that to

01:02:12.540 says well you

01:02:13.400 know that's

01:02:14.340 not how it

01:02:15.020 works here

01:02:15.980 and he goes

01:02:16.680 what kind of

01:02:17.380 barbaric society

01:02:18.480 is this

01:02:18.980 so from his

01:02:20.040 point of view

01:02:20.680 it was barbaric

01:02:21.820 that you can't

01:02:22.580 grease the

01:02:23.000 policeman

01:02:23.420 exactly

01:02:24.000 the laws are

01:02:25.220 barbaric

01:02:25.800 the laws are

01:02:26.900 barbaric

01:02:27.380 corruption is

01:02:28.720 good

01:02:28.940 corruption is

01:02:29.880 the natural

01:02:30.340 a bit of

01:02:31.340 this a bit

01:02:31.700 of that

01:02:31.940 did they ever

01:02:32.420 come back to

01:02:32.860 the country

01:02:33.140 during the war

01:02:33.680 no so that

01:02:34.420 I'm gonna

01:02:34.720 come to that

01:02:35.060 so then so

01:02:36.000 75 we move

01:02:36.800 here

01:02:37.060 they have a

01:02:39.060 hard time

01:02:39.480 they try to

01:02:39.880 open a store

01:02:40.420 here we lost

01:02:40.900 everything we had

01:02:41.460 nothing right

01:02:42.340 and I mean

01:02:43.060 you know we

01:02:43.400 were well

01:02:44.500 off over

01:02:44.920 there we've

01:02:45.360 connected the

01:02:45.900 whole thing

01:02:46.220 and it

01:02:47.920 doesn't go

01:02:48.340 well here

01:02:48.880 so they

01:02:49.560 start going

01:02:50.780 back to

01:02:51.420 Lebanon in

01:02:52.240 the full-blown

01:02:53.180 civil war

01:02:54.200 and so from

01:02:56.000 about age

01:02:56.620 11 to

01:02:57.900 15 16

01:02:59.300 for long

01:03:01.580 long periods

01:03:02.360 I was

01:03:02.880 parentless

01:03:03.720 did you go

01:03:04.620 back with

01:03:05.020 them or no

01:03:05.320 no I never

01:03:05.760 went back

01:03:06.240 the only ones

01:03:07.040 who went

01:03:07.300 back were my

01:03:07.840 parents in

01:03:08.900 1980 so on

01:03:10.380 one of their

01:03:11.100 return trips to

01:03:12.140 Lebanon they

01:03:13.140 were kidnapped

01:03:13.820 by Fatah

01:03:15.100 and some

01:03:17.660 really bad

01:03:18.140 things happened

01:03:18.620 to them but

01:03:19.160 luckily we

01:03:20.320 were I say

01:03:21.240 we but I

01:03:21.780 mean I had

01:03:22.100 nothing to do

01:03:22.540 with it I

01:03:22.860 was 15 years

01:03:23.440 old but my

01:03:24.880 brothers and

01:03:25.920 and sister and

01:03:27.380 their connections

01:03:28.220 were able to

01:03:29.360 get them free

01:03:29.920 actually that

01:03:30.760 story is

01:03:31.300 interesting if you

01:03:31.940 want to hear

01:03:32.300 it so my

01:03:33.400 mother's best

01:03:34.300 friend at the

01:03:35.740 time her name

01:03:36.480 was Ehsan she

01:03:37.960 was a Syrian

01:03:38.640 woman from

01:03:39.640 Damascus to

01:03:40.340 Beirut it's

01:03:40.780 like a two and

01:03:41.300 a half hour

01:03:41.700 drive so

01:03:42.120 you go back

01:03:42.820 and forth and

01:03:43.920 actually some

01:03:44.600 of my immediate

01:03:46.280 ancestors are

01:03:47.020 also Syrian

01:03:47.780 so my

01:03:49.680 mother's best

01:03:50.240 friend was

01:03:50.560 Ehsan who

01:03:51.240 used to be

01:03:51.920 the personal

01:03:52.720 dresser of

01:03:54.460 Hafiz al-Assad

01:03:55.680 the father

01:03:56.680 dictator in

01:03:58.200 Syria but

01:03:59.000 the father

01:03:59.540 not the

01:04:00.300 current not

01:04:01.080 not Bashar

01:04:02.080 al-Assad

01:04:02.520 exactly

01:04:02.760 his father

01:04:03.280 which was

01:04:03.620 apparently

01:04:03.960 oh he

01:04:04.280 wasn't

01:04:04.520 was he

01:04:04.880 stricter

01:04:05.300 well I

01:04:06.920 don't know

01:04:07.160 but I

01:04:08.040 know that

01:04:08.360 a lot of

01:04:08.740 people are

01:04:09.140 pretty critical

01:04:09.660 of him

01:04:09.980 so they

01:04:11.000 reach out

01:04:11.780 to her

01:04:12.340 she gets

01:04:13.220 the network

01:04:14.280 stuff going

01:04:15.160 finally as

01:04:17.480 the story

01:04:17.920 goes

01:04:18.320 they reach

01:04:21.040 Yasser Arafat

01:04:22.020 who tells

01:04:23.120 them I

01:04:24.260 don't even

01:04:24.640 know if

01:04:25.100 he if

01:04:25.620 if my

01:04:27.360 parents are

01:04:28.060 with any of

01:04:28.680 our groups

01:04:29.080 I can I

01:04:29.700 can find

01:04:30.120 out but I

01:04:31.600 hope they're

01:04:32.040 not with

01:04:32.540 Abu Nidal's

01:04:33.360 group

01:04:33.620 because they

01:04:34.700 were having

01:04:35.220 a power

01:04:36.280 fight between

01:04:37.120 Fatah's

01:04:38.320 group which

01:04:38.960 was led

01:04:39.320 by Abu

01:04:39.660 Nidal and

01:04:40.180 Yasser Arafat

01:04:40.840 two Palestinian

01:04:41.800 groups fighting

01:04:42.320 yeah and

01:04:42.780 and and it

01:04:43.760 turns out that

01:04:44.180 my parents

01:04:44.620 we don't know

01:04:45.260 which one

01:04:45.740 kidnapped your

01:04:46.360 parents

01:04:46.720 it was it

01:04:47.340 was the

01:04:47.660 Fatah

01:04:47.920 and then

01:04:48.960 if the

01:04:49.480 if the other

01:04:50.000 group kidnapped

01:04:50.460 him it was

01:04:50.840 worse

01:04:51.240 no that

01:04:52.220 group was

01:04:52.880 bad because

01:04:53.760 it would

01:04:54.300 give less

01:04:55.420 leeway to

01:04:56.580 Yasser Arafat

01:04:57.320 to intervene

01:04:58.400 with them

01:04:59.020 anyways

01:05:00.100 I got it

01:05:00.620 yes they had

01:05:01.180 connections essentially

01:05:02.120 to Yasser Arafat

01:05:02.940 who was the

01:05:03.820 leader of

01:05:04.140 Fatah

01:05:04.420 no who was

01:05:05.140 the leader

01:05:05.440 of the

01:05:05.660 PLO

01:05:06.360 the PLO

01:05:06.880 okay

01:05:07.120 Fatah has

01:05:07.740 another

01:05:08.140 Palestinian

01:05:09.000 opposing

01:05:09.960 yeah

01:05:10.220 okay

01:05:10.640 and then

01:05:11.440 they he

01:05:12.000 didn't have

01:05:12.480 the connection

01:05:12.920 to get

01:05:13.180 him out

01:05:13.440 he they

01:05:14.020 I so

01:05:14.880 he didn't

01:05:15.580 that would

01:05:16.080 have been

01:05:16.280 the worst

01:05:16.680 outcome

01:05:17.020 but we

01:05:17.400 still did

01:05:17.780 get them

01:05:18.140 out

01:05:18.280 they only

01:05:18.600 ended up

01:05:18.980 spending

01:05:19.320 about

01:05:19.920 take about

01:05:20.860 eight days

01:05:21.500 in captivity

01:05:22.060 and that's

01:05:22.560 a lot

01:05:22.800 some really

01:05:23.280 really bad

01:05:24.020 stuff

01:05:24.380 really

01:05:24.800 really

01:05:25.040 very bad

01:05:26.560 that's

01:05:27.700 why

01:05:27.980 I get

01:05:29.220 very upset

01:05:29.700 when people

01:05:30.180 whine about

01:05:30.800 their

01:05:31.060 bullshit

01:05:31.820 victimhood

01:05:32.420 because it

01:05:33.400 would be

01:05:33.780 difficult to

01:05:34.460 outrank

01:05:35.040 the life

01:05:35.780 that I've

01:05:36.200 lived

01:05:36.540 and what

01:05:37.580 my family's

01:05:38.180 lived

01:05:38.420 I mean

01:05:38.880 literally

01:05:39.480 luckily we were

01:05:42.160 able to get

01:05:42.600 them out

01:05:42.900 but now here's

01:05:43.360 an interesting

01:05:43.800 side story

01:05:44.400 I think I

01:05:45.620 mentioned this

01:05:46.060 in the

01:05:46.240 parasitic

01:05:46.560 mind

01:05:46.780 this

01:05:47.060 particular

01:05:47.780 snippet

01:05:48.640 as they

01:05:50.220 were in

01:05:51.140 captivity

01:05:51.620 and my

01:05:53.100 there was

01:05:54.280 a lot of

01:05:54.740 tension in

01:05:55.280 the house

01:05:55.600 I could see

01:05:56.100 my brothers

01:05:57.680 speaking

01:05:58.180 I said

01:05:58.860 well what's

01:05:59.400 going on

01:05:59.720 mom and

01:06:00.740 dad lost

01:06:01.180 some money

01:06:01.600 they didn't

01:06:01.920 want to

01:06:02.300 tell me

01:06:03.400 what the

01:06:03.920 real story

01:06:04.540 was to

01:06:04.960 protect me

01:06:05.540 so I

01:06:06.380 was going

01:06:06.820 to school

01:06:07.320 every day

01:06:07.900 during those

01:06:08.680 eight days

01:06:09.220 not knowing

01:06:10.480 that my

01:06:10.920 parents have

01:06:11.700 disappeared

01:06:12.240 but there

01:06:13.360 was a

01:06:13.900 guy in

01:06:14.400 my high

01:06:15.880 school

01:06:16.260 who his

01:06:17.480 parents were

01:06:18.060 very good

01:06:18.560 friends with

01:06:18.940 my parents

01:06:19.480 they're also

01:06:20.140 Lebanese

01:06:20.540 Jews

01:06:20.780 who knew

01:06:23.020 that they

01:06:23.640 had disappeared

01:06:24.280 but who

01:06:25.100 didn't know

01:06:25.820 that I

01:06:26.740 didn't know

01:06:27.240 that they

01:06:27.520 had disappeared

01:06:27.920 are you

01:06:28.140 with me so

01:06:28.460 far

01:06:28.580 yes of

01:06:29.020 course

01:06:29.280 and so

01:06:30.180 later

01:06:30.600 after the

01:06:31.180 fact

01:06:31.540 he told

01:06:32.740 me

01:06:33.040 that you

01:06:33.740 know

01:06:33.980 it's good

01:06:35.420 that I

01:06:35.720 found out

01:06:36.160 that you

01:06:36.440 didn't know

01:06:36.880 because I

01:06:37.420 thought it

01:06:37.760 was very

01:06:38.280 sinister

01:06:38.880 how you

01:06:40.020 were caring

01:06:40.840 about laughing

01:06:42.000 and it

01:06:43.180 looked like

01:06:43.580 you were

01:06:43.820 perfectly

01:06:44.220 normal

01:06:44.780 and I

01:06:45.560 was surprised

01:06:46.240 that you

01:06:46.580 would be

01:06:46.880 so happy

01:06:48.480 when nobody

01:06:50.680 knew where

01:06:51.080 your parents

01:06:51.560 were

01:06:51.900 because you

01:06:52.580 didn't know

01:06:53.140 I didn't

01:06:53.500 know

01:06:53.860 and then he

01:06:54.660 thought you

01:06:54.960 like some

01:06:55.340 psychopath

01:06:56.380 who doesn't

01:06:57.140 care

01:06:57.480 like was

01:06:57.880 completely callous

01:06:58.640 opposite of

01:06:59.140 being an

01:06:59.420 empathetic

01:06:59.800 person

01:07:00.120 exactly

01:07:00.680 and so

01:07:01.340 anyway

01:07:01.540 so luckily

01:07:02.760 they were

01:07:03.160 freed

01:07:03.660 came here

01:07:05.860 my father

01:07:06.700 when they

01:07:07.100 were freed

01:07:07.700 had in

01:07:08.780 Arabic

01:07:09.440 you say

01:07:09.940 falij

01:07:10.500 falij

01:07:11.340 is like

01:07:11.820 a paralysis

01:07:12.960 it's like

01:07:13.420 a stroke

01:07:14.060 where your

01:07:15.320 face becomes

01:07:15.940 asymmetric

01:07:16.680 he had

01:07:18.000 that

01:07:18.400 out of

01:07:19.920 the stuff

01:07:20.580 that had

01:07:20.960 happened to

01:07:21.900 him in

01:07:22.180 there

01:07:22.400 and he

01:07:22.840 had some

01:07:23.560 bad stuff

01:07:24.780 and

01:07:25.820 they're still

01:07:27.200 alive

01:07:27.600 and they're

01:07:27.960 94

01:07:28.460 and 90

01:07:29.440 today

01:07:29.780 they never

01:07:30.200 went back

01:07:30.560 to Lebanon

01:07:30.860 after that

01:07:31.340 event

01:07:31.740 after that

01:07:32.740 not a

01:07:33.120 single person

01:07:33.580 went back

01:07:34.020 although I've

01:07:34.920 been invited

01:07:35.600 actually it's funny

01:07:37.300 that the driver

01:07:38.140 who picked me up

01:07:38.800 to bring me here

01:07:39.440 he turns out to be

01:07:40.700 Lebanese

01:07:41.180 and a fan

01:07:41.760 and so he

01:07:43.560 asked me if I

01:07:44.380 went back

01:07:45.460 and I've been

01:07:46.220 invited many times

01:07:47.100 to go back

01:07:47.640 like high profile

01:07:49.160 stuff

01:07:49.640 oh don't worry

01:07:50.480 you'll be protected

01:07:51.200 I never felt

01:07:52.140 that it was a good

01:07:52.660 idea and I think

01:07:53.560 I think

01:07:54.320 life has shown

01:07:55.840 that my evaluation

01:07:57.120 was right

01:07:57.760 when were you

01:07:58.620 invited

01:07:59.040 the last time

01:08:01.040 would have been

01:08:01.740 when Hariri

01:08:03.340 the prime minister

01:08:03.900 got assassinated

01:08:04.560 yeah it was

01:08:05.840 around that time

01:08:06.700 so whenever that

01:08:07.400 would have been

01:08:07.980 the last time

01:08:08.480 I was invited

01:08:09.020 it was like

01:08:10.000 oh come

01:08:10.540 give a great talk

01:08:11.820 you'll be protected

01:08:13.080 you'll have the whole

01:08:13.760 but you know

01:08:15.440 a car bomb

01:08:16.380 doesn't care

01:08:17.020 and plus

01:08:17.560 it just takes

01:08:18.800 one guy

01:08:19.260 who saw me

01:08:20.280 say something

01:08:21.120 that was critical

01:08:21.820 of Islam

01:08:22.620 and I'm dead

01:08:23.460 right

01:08:23.740 yeah

01:08:24.660 yeah

01:08:25.100 so how big of a role

01:08:26.980 did that play

01:08:28.300 in the career path

01:08:30.180 you've chosen

01:08:30.680 that led you here

01:08:31.280 that's a fantastic question

01:08:32.700 so in the most

01:08:33.800 direct way

01:08:34.620 it's the

01:08:36.320 disdain

01:08:37.660 for identity politics

01:08:39.780 because Lebanon

01:08:41.200 is the

01:08:42.280 perfect

01:08:43.360 model

01:08:44.380 of what happens

01:08:45.640 to a society

01:08:46.500 that is completely

01:08:48.000 organized

01:08:48.620 to our earlier point

01:08:49.560 about the confessional

01:08:50.440 parliamentary system

01:08:51.520 everything is viewed

01:08:53.160 through the prism

01:08:54.040 of your

01:08:55.120 religious

01:08:55.840 parasites are embedded

01:08:56.720 into the country

01:08:57.500 exactly

01:08:58.060 and it's

01:08:59.600 coalitional psychology

01:09:01.080 parasites

01:09:01.620 right

01:09:01.840 it's red team

01:09:02.960 blue team

01:09:03.520 now

01:09:03.980 to some extent

01:09:05.460 the human architecture

01:09:08.240 views the world

01:09:09.320 through red team

01:09:10.020 blue team

01:09:10.580 right

01:09:10.820 I mean it makes sense

01:09:11.700 for us

01:09:12.140 to view the world

01:09:13.120 as these are the people

01:09:14.240 that I know

01:09:14.700 and I trust

01:09:15.220 and these are the outsiders

01:09:16.200 that I have to be weary of

01:09:17.500 so to a small degree

01:09:19.880 it makes evolutionary sense

01:09:21.500 for us to have a

01:09:22.300 coalitional psychology

01:09:23.140 but when you elevate that

01:09:25.760 to be the mechanism

01:09:28.460 by which you adjudicate

01:09:30.080 everything in society

01:09:31.220 then you're going to have problems

01:09:32.260 so I'll give you a specific

01:09:33.300 example of that

01:09:34.060 in Lebanon

01:09:35.420 you used to carry

01:09:36.780 in Arabic

01:09:37.460 the word is

01:09:37.940 hawiyeh

01:09:38.480 hawiyeh is like

01:09:39.280 an internal ID card

01:09:41.640 like a passport

01:09:42.540 but instead of it

01:09:43.560 to travel outside

01:09:44.760 if the police stops you

01:09:46.400 or a militia group

01:09:47.220 stops you

01:09:47.540 show us your hawiyeh

01:09:48.500 the most conspicuous thing

01:09:52.440 in your hawiyeh

01:09:53.160 what do you think it is

01:09:53.960 your religion

01:09:54.820 they have your religion on there

01:09:55.880 yeah

01:09:56.080 wow

01:09:56.640 now if you were Jewish

01:09:58.360 so in Arabic

01:09:59.440 Jewish would be

01:10:02.200 Yahudi

01:10:02.800 Yahudi

01:10:03.920 but it wasn't written that

01:10:05.640 it was written

01:10:06.160 Israeli

01:10:06.980 Israeli means Israelite

01:10:08.800 so you lost

01:10:10.100 your Lebanese identity

01:10:11.420 so the animus

01:10:12.400 was even greater

01:10:13.380 when did that change

01:10:14.220 as far as I know

01:10:15.200 it never changed

01:10:15.760 like the Jews

01:10:17.000 in the hawiyeh

01:10:18.520 were always written

01:10:19.340 as Israeli

01:10:20.660 but that literally

01:10:22.440 means Israeli

01:10:23.200 you're not Lebanese

01:10:23.900 but I'm not

01:10:24.260 exactly

01:10:25.160 so now

01:10:25.800 it's like if you're

01:10:26.660 a Christian there

01:10:27.400 it's like

01:10:27.720 it's not a Christian country

01:10:29.100 but it's Italian

01:10:30.500 or Roman

01:10:31.560 well although by the way

01:10:32.780 Lebanon

01:10:33.320 even within my lifetime

01:10:35.260 was a Christian majority

01:10:36.900 yeah

01:10:37.340 majority

01:10:37.940 was it 50-50

01:10:38.760 or

01:10:39.020 no

01:10:39.440 at one point

01:10:40.340 it was

01:10:40.880 slight majority

01:10:42.160 say 60-40 Christian

01:10:45.180 and then flipped

01:10:45.900 after during the civil war

01:10:47.020 and now it's about

01:10:48.260 one third Christian

01:10:49.880 so within

01:10:50.960 40 plus years

01:10:52.640 it has completely flipped

01:10:53.820 so it doesn't take long

01:10:54.880 for demographic realities

01:10:56.700 to completely shift

01:10:57.700 so what led us

01:10:59.180 to this story

01:10:59.740 is our positions

01:11:00.980 on free speech

01:11:02.680 yes sir

01:11:03.220 and I think we both

01:11:03.760 considered one another

01:11:05.020 considered oneself

01:11:06.060 as free speech absolutists

01:11:08.000 how would you define

01:11:09.260 a free speech absolutist

01:11:10.580 and make the argument

01:11:11.940 for that position

01:11:12.820 because it's one

01:11:13.640 that many people

01:11:14.340 struggle to agree with

01:11:16.180 considering the risks

01:11:17.100 that come with

01:11:18.220 free speech

01:11:18.980 fantastic question

01:11:20.300 arguably one of the

01:11:21.960 most important questions

01:11:22.740 that we can discuss

01:11:23.880 so here I'm going to

01:11:25.220 get professorial

01:11:25.980 for a second

01:11:26.500 then I'm going to

01:11:27.040 give examples

01:11:27.760 that are more tangible

01:11:28.600 so in ethics

01:11:30.660 there are

01:11:31.420 distinction between

01:11:32.580 two types of ethical

01:11:33.560 positions

01:11:34.320 there's what's called

01:11:35.100 deontological ethics

01:11:36.280 and consequentialist ethics

01:11:38.380 deontological ethics

01:11:39.940 are absolute statements

01:11:41.520 it is never okay

01:11:43.220 to lie

01:11:43.640 that would be

01:11:44.180 deontological statement

01:11:45.240 if I say

01:11:46.040 it's okay to lie

01:11:47.560 to spare someone's feelings

01:11:49.020 that's a consequentialist

01:11:50.340 position

01:11:50.620 because I'm saying

01:11:51.320 based on the consequences

01:11:53.260 of what I say

01:11:54.500 will determine

01:11:55.440 whether it's a moral

01:11:56.340 thing to do or not

01:11:57.240 so I always joke

01:11:58.400 that if you want to be

01:11:59.300 married for a long time

01:12:00.700 if you hear

01:12:01.880 the following question

01:12:02.900 do I look fat

01:12:03.820 in those jeans

01:12:04.580 put on your

01:12:05.580 consequentialist hat

01:12:06.640 right

01:12:07.080 in other words

01:12:07.940 even if you lie

01:12:08.820 and you say

01:12:09.300 no sweetie

01:12:09.820 you've never looked

01:12:10.480 more beautiful

01:12:11.020 that makes sense

01:12:12.340 so for most things

01:12:13.380 in life

01:12:13.780 it makes perfect sense

01:12:15.940 for us to be

01:12:16.480 consequentialist

01:12:17.300 but

01:12:18.060 now I'm going to

01:12:18.800 tie it to your question

01:12:19.580 there are certain

01:12:20.820 principles

01:12:21.400 that by definition

01:12:22.840 have to be

01:12:23.460 deontological

01:12:24.120 or absolutists

01:12:25.000 absolutists

01:12:25.960 the pursuit of truth

01:12:27.760 is a deontological

01:12:29.080 principle

01:12:29.520 it's not

01:12:30.440 I will pursue

01:12:31.700 truth

01:12:32.400 as long as

01:12:33.460 that truth

01:12:34.040 doesn't end up

01:12:34.860 hurting someone's

01:12:35.600 feelings

01:12:35.940 so for example

01:12:36.760 if I find out

01:12:38.200 that there is

01:12:39.120 a particular

01:12:39.680 group of

01:12:40.580 immigrants

01:12:41.080 that are much

01:12:41.820 more likely

01:12:42.560 to be

01:12:43.580 in the penal

01:12:44.440 system

01:12:44.980 throughout Europe

01:12:46.020 and the data

01:12:47.060 couldn't be any

01:12:47.740 more incontrovertible

01:12:48.640 if I am

01:12:49.660 suicidally empathetic

01:12:51.020 I say

01:12:51.500 don't publish that

01:12:52.420 because you're

01:12:53.380 going to marginalize

01:12:54.420 those noble people

01:12:55.260 even more

01:12:55.820 if you are

01:12:56.760 a deontological

01:12:57.680 guy in your

01:12:58.540 pursuit of truth

01:12:59.200 you go

01:12:59.440 no no no

01:12:59.780 I don't modulate

01:13:01.420 what the truth

01:13:02.480 is

01:13:02.820 as a function

01:13:03.780 of whether

01:13:04.680 it will hurt

01:13:05.200 someone's feelings

01:13:05.840 or not

01:13:06.200 freedom of speech

01:13:08.580 is a deontological

01:13:09.840 principle

01:13:10.400 it's an absolutist

01:13:12.020 right that

01:13:12.700 should not be

01:13:13.500 questioned

01:13:13.900 short of the

01:13:15.680 regular asterisk

01:13:16.760 I can't engage

01:13:18.460 in incitement

01:13:19.280 to violence

01:13:19.900 I know that

01:13:20.900 Mario is coming

01:13:22.020 out of the synagogue

01:13:23.000 on 7th and

01:13:24.520 Broadway at 4

01:13:25.740 let's all go

01:13:27.060 and kill him

01:13:27.960 that's not protected

01:13:29.100 by freedom of speech

01:13:30.540 and

01:13:31.180 that's a direct

01:13:31.960 incitement of violence

01:13:32.800 direct incitement

01:13:33.500 right

01:13:33.760 and the keyword

01:13:34.360 is direct

01:13:34.900 so it doesn't

01:13:35.280 get abused

01:13:35.780 exactly

01:13:36.640 very direct

01:13:38.300 there is no

01:13:39.040 question

01:13:39.640 on 7th and

01:13:41.020 Broadway

01:13:41.480 at 4 o'clock

01:13:42.640 get the Jew

01:13:43.440 so if someone

01:13:44.120 says screw

01:13:44.820 the Jews

01:13:45.400 then that's

01:13:47.000 not a direct

01:13:48.140 incitement of violence

01:13:49.000 that's someone

01:13:49.360 that hates Jews

01:13:50.040 you could disagree

01:13:50.980 with him

01:13:51.300 or you even

01:13:51.720 said you're

01:13:52.440 even okay

01:13:53.120 with people

01:13:53.620 that deny

01:13:54.420 the existence

01:13:55.160 of the Holocaust

01:13:55.720 that's the tangible

01:13:56.820 example I was

01:13:57.340 going to give

01:13:57.600 that was a very

01:13:58.160 it's a very

01:13:58.740 personal example

01:13:59.500 for you to make

01:14:00.080 you could not

01:14:01.000 say anything

01:14:01.720 that is more

01:14:02.340 insulting and

01:14:03.140 offensive by definition

01:14:04.200 you're taking

01:14:04.920 a historical

01:14:05.620 event that's

01:14:06.600 been documented

01:14:07.260 in 33 trillion

01:14:08.280 ways and you're

01:14:09.520 saying it never

01:14:10.440 happened and

01:14:11.320 this event was

01:14:12.880 the systematic

01:14:13.540 attempt to

01:14:14.580 exterminate an

01:14:15.340 entire people

01:14:15.920 not a single

01:14:16.500 Jew should

01:14:16.940 remain in order

01:14:17.860 for the world

01:14:18.380 to be free

01:14:18.920 and yet nothing

01:14:20.420 could be more

01:14:20.980 offensive than you

01:14:21.740 saying it never

01:14:22.640 happened and if it

01:14:23.300 did it was only

01:14:23.820 six Jews

01:14:24.420 right that's very

01:14:25.680 offensive in a free

01:14:26.920 society I have to

01:14:28.040 tolerate that

01:14:28.620 I have to

01:14:29.600 tolerate falsehood

01:14:30.620 spreaders

01:14:31.140 imbeciles

01:14:32.140 racists

01:14:33.100 bigots

01:14:33.740 and the way

01:14:34.620 I beat you

01:14:35.360 is hopefully

01:14:36.060 by better ideas

01:14:37.020 right by the way

01:14:38.000 I get people

01:14:38.960 who write to me

01:14:39.980 even people

01:14:41.800 in influential

01:14:43.440 Jewish organizations

01:14:45.000 and say

01:14:45.400 how come you

01:14:46.580 don't tell your

01:14:47.200 buddy Elon Musk

01:14:48.220 to shut down

01:14:49.240 this account

01:14:50.520 and that account

01:14:51.280 and see look

01:14:52.320 I walk the walk

01:14:53.380 and talk

01:14:53.720 I say no

01:14:55.000 because I don't

01:14:55.780 believe that it

01:14:56.460 is my job

01:14:57.200 to reach out

01:14:58.140 to Elon

01:14:58.580 to shut

01:14:59.900 those guys

01:15:00.320 down

01:15:00.460 as long as

01:15:01.040 they don't

01:15:02.000 advertise where

01:15:03.300 I am teaching

01:15:04.240 my next course

01:15:05.040 and for them

01:15:05.480 to come and

01:15:06.000 lynch me

01:15:06.500 they could say

01:15:07.420 all kinds of

01:15:08.100 horrible things

01:15:08.720 to me

01:15:08.980 it's bad

01:15:09.920 it's regrettable

01:15:10.920 sometimes it hurts

01:15:11.960 my feelings

01:15:12.560 but that's the

01:15:13.640 price you pay

01:15:14.260 so let's

01:15:15.240 contrast what I

01:15:15.960 just said

01:15:16.540 to violations

01:15:18.580 of deontological

01:15:19.500 principles

01:15:20.020 so now I'm

01:15:21.040 going to be

01:15:21.380 one of those

01:15:21.820 guys that

01:15:22.260 violates it

01:15:22.840 of course I

01:15:24.080 believe in

01:15:24.780 freedom of

01:15:25.180 speech

01:15:25.480 but it was

01:15:26.640 perfectly

01:15:27.140 okay to

01:15:27.760 shut down

01:15:28.240 Donald Trump

01:15:28.980 because he's

01:15:29.920 an existential

01:15:30.500 threat

01:15:31.020 once you say

01:15:31.840 that you're

01:15:32.700 an asshole

01:15:33.180 you're degenerate

01:15:34.320 you don't

01:15:34.740 understand what

01:15:35.300 freedom of

01:15:35.720 speech is

01:15:36.260 right

01:15:36.700 of course I

01:15:38.280 believe in

01:15:38.900 presumption of

01:15:39.600 innocence

01:15:39.960 but not for

01:15:41.020 that asshole

01:15:41.880 Brett Kavanaugh

01:15:43.040 it was too

01:15:44.040 important for

01:15:45.020 him to get

01:15:46.200 a pass and

01:15:46.960 sit on the

01:15:47.420 Supreme Court

01:15:48.140 even though

01:15:49.300 there was no

01:15:50.000 proof that he

01:15:50.560 was a sexual

01:15:51.140 assaulter

01:15:51.660 it was enough

01:15:52.640 for someone

01:15:53.240 five minutes

01:15:53.960 before he's

01:15:54.520 confirmed to

01:15:55.320 say I think

01:15:56.440 40 years

01:15:57.220 ago somewhere

01:15:57.920 somehow he

01:15:58.800 did assault

01:15:59.400 me I

01:15:59.920 don't have

01:16:00.340 any proof

01:16:00.900 but we

01:16:01.960 should go

01:16:02.380 with the

01:16:02.680 default position

01:16:03.480 that he

01:16:03.880 is guilty

01:16:04.500 forget about

01:16:05.400 this presumption

01:16:06.360 of innocence

01:16:07.620 right yes I

01:16:09.620 believe in

01:16:10.180 journalistic

01:16:10.720 integrity but

01:16:11.900 not when it

01:16:12.640 came to

01:16:13.200 Hunter Biden's

01:16:14.200 laptop in

01:16:15.140 that case it

01:16:15.900 was perfectly

01:16:16.580 okay for

01:16:17.560 everybody to

01:16:18.460 collude to

01:16:18.980 shut down

01:16:19.400 that story

01:16:19.900 because then

01:16:20.680 Orange

01:16:21.100 Himmler would

01:16:21.700 have come

01:16:22.420 the power

01:16:22.920 you've just

01:16:23.420 given great

01:16:23.900 examples on

01:16:24.600 why absolute

01:16:25.580 truths matter

01:16:28.880 and consequential

01:16:31.140 ones or I'll

01:16:32.200 say malleable

01:16:32.800 ones also

01:16:34.240 play a role

01:16:34.840 the example

01:16:36.220 you've given

01:16:36.680 is when to

01:16:37.780 lie there's

01:16:38.280 times when

01:16:38.680 lying does

01:16:39.360 matter hey

01:16:39.900 talking about

01:16:41.240 Jews and how

01:16:42.200 they've been

01:16:42.480 targeting talking

01:16:43.060 about the

01:16:43.340 holocaust there's

01:16:44.200 that great movie

01:16:44.920 world war 2

01:16:45.880 movie where

01:16:46.440 someone had

01:16:47.200 was hiding

01:16:49.260 Jewish people

01:16:49.880 under the

01:16:50.260 ground remember

01:16:50.700 that one

01:16:51.020 you know which

01:16:51.920 movie I'm

01:16:52.240 talking about

01:16:52.580 exactly and

01:16:54.240 he had to

01:16:54.600 lie that

01:16:54.940 initially he

01:16:56.000 lied that

01:16:56.340 they were

01:16:56.520 there he's

01:16:56.780 hiding them

01:16:57.260 obviously for

01:16:59.140 a very good

01:16:59.540 cause and

01:17:00.660 it's a very

01:17:01.260 good quote I've

01:17:01.860 always used

01:17:02.440 it's by

01:17:03.020 Voltaire

01:17:05.540 I disapprove of

01:17:07.940 what you say

01:17:08.420 but I will

01:17:08.880 defend to the

01:17:09.860 death your

01:17:10.280 right to say

01:17:10.840 it it's an

01:17:11.300 incredible quote

01:17:11.920 and you

01:17:13.300 know you

01:17:13.520 mentioned

01:17:13.980 Elon and

01:17:15.860 I know you

01:17:16.320 spent time with

01:17:16.880 Elon as well

01:17:17.440 you know him

01:17:19.200 really well

01:17:19.640 and you

01:17:21.800 said something

01:17:22.240 in one of

01:17:22.580 the podcasts

01:17:23.080 that was really

01:17:23.500 interesting

01:17:23.840 Elon's achieved

01:17:24.740 a lot to

01:17:25.720 society

01:17:26.100 a lot

01:17:26.480 and he keeps

01:17:27.320 achieving more

01:17:28.180 as time passes

01:17:29.120 he doesn't

01:17:29.640 stop

01:17:29.980 from getting

01:17:32.620 us to start

01:17:33.540 living as a

01:17:34.280 species onto

01:17:34.680 another planet

01:17:35.220 for the first

01:17:35.660 time to being

01:17:36.960 part of the

01:17:37.520 creation of AI

01:17:38.340 which I wanted

01:17:38.860 to talk about

01:17:39.320 as well we won't

01:17:39.800 have time today

01:17:40.400 but we should

01:17:41.080 do it again

01:17:41.560 we're talking

01:17:42.260 about the issues

01:17:43.000 you're talking

01:17:43.400 about you know

01:17:44.300 parasitic mind

01:17:45.200 and suicidal

01:17:45.840 empathy

01:17:46.120 especially parasitic

01:17:46.860 mind

01:17:47.120 parasites within

01:17:48.220 an intelligence

01:17:49.200 that we could

01:17:50.180 lose control

01:17:50.760 of

01:17:51.040 is scary

01:17:52.020 as hell

01:17:52.320 that's something

01:17:52.760 that one's

01:17:53.140 really explored

01:17:53.700 but you said

01:17:55.100 that nothing

01:17:56.040 I'm going to

01:17:56.500 read out your

01:17:56.840 exact quote

01:17:57.440 I'm sure you

01:17:59.680 do

01:17:59.840 you said the

01:18:00.480 following

01:18:00.700 nothing Elon

01:18:01.660 has done

01:18:02.160 or will ever

01:18:02.740 do

01:18:03.020 will have

01:18:03.580 the same

01:18:03.940 historical

01:18:04.340 impact

01:18:04.800 as him

01:18:05.240 buying

01:18:05.560 Twitter

01:18:05.880 that's a

01:18:06.980 pretty big

01:18:07.320 statement

01:18:07.600 considering

01:18:08.360 how much

01:18:08.840 he's achieved

01:18:09.280 can you

01:18:09.580 expand on

01:18:10.020 that

01:18:10.200 well

01:18:10.580 I said

01:18:11.860 that

01:18:12.280 well

01:18:13.180 before

01:18:13.660 we saw

01:18:14.580 the influence

01:18:15.520 that he's

01:18:16.020 had

01:18:16.400 in the

01:18:17.000 current

01:18:17.240 election

01:18:17.740 and before

01:18:19.060 the rocket

01:18:19.480 was being

01:18:19.840 caught

01:18:20.040 but even

01:18:22.160 such an

01:18:22.680 impressive

01:18:23.080 I mean

01:18:23.520 you think

01:18:23.840 it's science

01:18:24.220 fiction

01:18:24.520 what the hell

01:18:25.000 is going

01:18:25.260 on here

01:18:25.600 right

01:18:25.760 I stand

01:18:27.180 by that

01:18:27.600 quote

01:18:27.960 look

01:18:28.400 freedom

01:18:28.960 of speech

01:18:29.440 I mean

01:18:29.660 it sounds

01:18:29.960 cliche

01:18:30.240 at this

01:18:30.580 point

01:18:30.800 but it's

01:18:31.400 the whole

01:18:31.740 game

01:18:32.080 it's the

01:18:32.580 whole

01:18:32.760 inshallah

01:18:33.160 once you

01:18:34.200 get rid

01:18:34.640 of that

01:18:35.180 nothing

01:18:35.800 else

01:18:36.260 matters

01:18:36.700 right

01:18:36.980 I mean

01:18:37.560 Salman Rushdie

01:18:38.280 has said

01:18:38.660 something very

01:18:39.160 similar

01:18:39.440 do you know

01:18:39.960 Salman Rushdie

01:18:40.540 he's the

01:18:41.400 he's an

01:18:42.220 ex-Muslim

01:18:43.320 who in

01:18:44.860 the 80s

01:18:45.700 wrote a

01:18:46.500 novel

01:18:46.900 called

01:18:47.660 the

01:18:48.080 satanic

01:18:48.620 verses

01:18:49.040 and the

01:18:50.480 Iranian

01:18:50.940 regime

01:18:51.440 Khomeini

01:18:52.040 had put

01:18:52.700 out a

01:18:53.180 death

01:18:53.540 fatwa

01:18:53.920 on him

01:18:54.320 and recently

01:18:55.140 after like

01:18:56.400 35 years

01:18:57.500 of that

01:18:57.840 fatwa

01:18:58.220 a guy

01:18:58.720 knifed him

01:18:59.540 in the eye

01:18:59.940 oh wow

01:19:00.300 yeah I think

01:19:00.900 he's now

01:19:01.300 he's been

01:19:01.740 knighted

01:19:02.100 by the way

01:19:02.780 Salman Rushdie

01:19:03.520 has been

01:19:03.740 knighted

01:19:04.020 he's

01:19:04.300 Sir Salman Rushdie

01:19:05.200 he's

01:19:05.880 I quote him

01:19:06.800 in the

01:19:07.000 parasitic

01:19:07.300 mind

01:19:07.580 that nothing

01:19:08.160 is as

01:19:08.500 important

01:19:08.800 as

01:19:08.980 freedom

01:19:09.140 of speech

01:19:09.380 so when

01:19:10.160 Elon said

01:19:10.940 hey look

01:19:11.380 I can tip

01:19:12.540 the weight

01:19:13.860 of the scale

01:19:14.720 so that it's

01:19:15.560 a bit more

01:19:16.120 of a fair

01:19:17.180 and even

01:19:17.760 game

01:19:18.260 right

01:19:18.680 because most

01:19:19.460 of the

01:19:19.760 platforms

01:19:20.280 are

01:19:20.500 all the

01:19:21.360 platforms

01:19:21.800 were utterly

01:19:22.840 run by

01:19:23.600 wokesters

01:19:24.080 and suddenly

01:19:24.980 here comes

01:19:25.520 the richest

01:19:26.060 most influential

01:19:26.900 guy in the

01:19:27.420 world

01:19:27.680 who says

01:19:28.180 wait I'm

01:19:28.520 gonna

01:19:28.700 redress

01:19:29.420 the balance

01:19:29.960 I mean

01:19:30.980 I could

01:19:31.320 tell you

01:19:31.620 it's as

01:19:32.080 if I

01:19:32.360 had

01:19:32.500 I had

01:19:33.380 a thousand

01:19:34.000 pound

01:19:34.300 gorilla

01:19:34.620 lifted

01:19:34.940 off my

01:19:35.340 shoulders

01:19:35.580 because

01:19:35.920 suddenly

01:19:36.600 I could

01:19:37.120 say

01:19:37.420 things

01:19:37.860 on

01:19:38.480 social

01:19:38.760 media

01:19:39.160 I mean

01:19:39.700 I always

01:19:40.200 said

01:19:40.400 whatever

01:19:40.620 I wanted

01:19:41.060 but I

01:19:41.380 knew

01:19:41.520 that I

01:19:41.780 would

01:19:41.960 get

01:19:42.500 my

01:19:42.860 voice

01:19:43.240 shut

01:19:43.700 down

01:19:44.120 or

01:19:44.420 this

01:19:45.120 clip

01:19:45.820 demonetized

01:19:46.860 or this

01:19:47.240 taken

01:19:47.580 off

01:19:47.720 and that

01:19:47.920 could

01:19:48.020 always

01:19:48.320 have

01:19:48.600 some

01:19:48.880 impact

01:19:49.240 direct

01:19:49.560 to some

01:19:50.320 extent

01:19:50.660 on

01:19:50.900 decisions

01:19:51.300 you make

01:19:51.720 and I

01:19:52.200 tell you

01:19:52.560 one

01:19:52.800 that I'm

01:19:53.440 ashamed

01:19:53.800 to admit

01:19:54.240 did

01:19:54.540 happen

01:19:54.940 but I'll

01:19:55.820 mention

01:19:56.080 it here

01:19:56.540 because it's

01:19:57.060 important to

01:19:57.500 be honest

01:19:57.860 I remember

01:19:58.860 Matt Ridley

01:19:59.740 who's a

01:20:00.140 famous

01:20:00.500 evolutionary

01:20:01.180 biologist

01:20:01.620 he sat

01:20:02.220 in the

01:20:02.460 House of

01:20:02.820 Lords

01:20:06.600 his people

01:20:07.380 reached out

01:20:07.880 to me

01:20:08.180 they had

01:20:08.600 him and

01:20:09.260 a co-author

01:20:09.820 had a

01:20:10.240 book out

01:20:10.740 talking about

01:20:11.720 the lab

01:20:12.260 leak theory

01:20:13.000 of COVID

01:20:13.540 early in

01:20:14.560 the process

01:20:15.120 and so

01:20:16.320 I wrote

01:20:17.660 back to his

01:20:18.280 people

01:20:18.520 I said

01:20:18.760 look

01:20:18.980 there is

01:20:19.420 no topic

01:20:20.160 that I'm

01:20:20.800 not willing

01:20:21.260 to cover

01:20:21.720 and I'm

01:20:22.020 perfectly

01:20:22.340 happy to

01:20:22.840 host you

01:20:23.240 but here's

01:20:24.020 what's

01:20:24.200 going to

01:20:24.400 happen

01:20:24.660 we're

01:20:25.260 going to

01:20:25.520 spend

01:20:25.780 the time

01:20:26.280 doing

01:20:26.580 this

01:20:26.840 show

01:20:27.140 the minute

01:20:27.860 that I'm

01:20:28.220 going to

01:20:28.500 post it

01:20:28.960 it's

01:20:29.260 going to

01:20:29.500 be

01:20:29.680 taken

01:20:29.980 out

01:20:30.400 and

01:20:30.940 possibly

01:20:31.540 my

01:20:31.860 whole

01:20:32.100 channel

01:20:32.440 will

01:20:32.720 be

01:20:32.960 erased

01:20:33.500 so

01:20:34.020 pragmatically

01:20:34.840 speaking

01:20:35.400 it's

01:20:36.200 reckless

01:20:36.580 and silly

01:20:37.160 to do

01:20:37.500 but that

01:20:38.240 never

01:20:38.540 sat

01:20:38.880 well

01:20:39.160 with me

01:20:39.540 because

01:20:39.940 that

01:20:40.500 demonstrated

01:20:41.220 that they

01:20:41.840 got to

01:20:42.220 me

01:20:42.380 even

01:20:42.880 the

01:20:43.240 honey

01:20:43.540 badger

01:20:44.040 had to

01:20:44.780 calculate

01:20:45.380 that

01:20:46.100 pragmatically

01:20:47.020 speaking

01:20:47.480 if we

01:20:47.960 do have

01:20:48.420 this

01:20:48.620 conversation

01:20:49.120 I'm

01:20:50.120 going

01:20:50.260 to be

01:20:50.560 rendered

01:20:50.820 invisible

01:20:51.300 and so

01:20:52.400 willfully

01:20:53.880 or not

01:20:54.680 we all

01:20:55.900 had to

01:20:56.660 calculate

01:20:57.820 the pros

01:20:58.360 and cons

01:20:58.840 of anything

01:20:59.280 we said

01:20:59.860 or did

01:21:00.440 and then

01:21:01.140 here comes

01:21:01.620 Elon

01:21:01.880 on his

01:21:02.260 white

01:21:02.540 horse

01:21:02.960 saving

01:21:03.720 our

01:21:04.020 freedom

01:21:04.220 of

01:21:04.380 speech

01:21:04.620 so

01:21:05.040 I

01:21:05.220 stand

01:21:05.560 by

01:21:05.740 that

01:21:05.960 quote

01:21:06.200 and

01:21:06.300 I

01:21:06.400 double

01:21:06.720 down

01:21:07.000 on

01:21:07.160 it

01:21:07.300 nothing

01:21:07.900 he

01:21:08.100 will

01:21:08.240 ever

01:21:08.520 do

01:21:08.880 will

01:21:09.420 be

01:21:09.560 as

01:21:09.740 important

01:21:10.060 as

01:21:10.300 that

01:21:10.520 he's

01:21:10.800 a hero

01:21:11.120 for that

01:21:11.460 he deserves

01:21:11.940 the Nobel

01:21:12.320 prize

01:21:12.660 for that

01:21:13.020 and instead

01:21:13.640 he got

01:21:14.020 targeted

01:21:15.860 by advertisers

01:21:17.300 all these

01:21:17.700 different

01:21:17.920 organizations

01:21:18.500 and now

01:21:20.320 it's

01:21:20.520 backfiring

01:21:21.020 every decision

01:21:22.320 he makes

01:21:22.740 I'm like

01:21:23.060 what are you

01:21:23.620 doing

01:21:23.820 Elon

01:21:24.040 like for

01:21:24.360 example

01:21:24.540 going

01:21:24.780 all in

01:21:25.100 on

01:21:25.240 Trump

01:21:25.500 and

01:21:25.780 before

01:21:26.940 Trump

01:21:27.440 got

01:21:27.620 elected

01:21:27.940 by

01:21:28.260 a

01:21:28.760 landslide

01:21:29.180 I remember

01:21:30.020 he was

01:21:30.360 on

01:21:30.480 Tucker's

01:21:30.840 show

01:21:32.240 and he

01:21:32.460 says

01:21:32.740 Tucker

01:21:33.320 asked him

01:21:33.640 do you

01:21:34.160 know

01:21:34.220 what's

01:21:34.340 going to

01:21:34.480 happen

01:21:34.660 to you

01:21:34.920 if

01:21:35.080 Trump

01:21:35.520 loses

01:21:35.760 I'm

01:21:36.760 fucked

01:21:37.420 I'm

01:21:37.640 done

01:21:37.860 exactly

01:21:38.460 and I

01:21:38.780 could

01:21:38.880 end

01:21:39.020 up

01:21:39.140 in

01:21:39.280 jail

01:21:39.500 and

01:21:40.460 laughs

01:21:41.340 about

01:21:41.620 it

01:21:41.780 and I'm

01:21:42.000 like

01:21:42.120 this is

01:21:42.460 terrifying

01:21:43.080 and yet

01:21:44.540 it paid

01:21:44.900 off

01:21:45.220 in an

01:21:45.960 incredible

01:21:46.260 way

01:21:46.600 for him

01:21:47.260 for

01:21:48.380 obviously

01:21:48.660 President

01:21:49.360 Trump

01:21:49.720 and for

01:21:50.420 society

01:21:50.800 as a

01:21:51.100 whole

01:21:51.300 but it's

01:21:52.840 interesting

01:21:53.180 statement

01:21:53.880 to make

01:21:54.340 and I

01:21:54.540 think

01:21:54.640 people

01:21:54.860 don't

01:21:55.220 understand

01:21:55.640 it's

01:21:56.120 like

01:21:56.260 we're

01:21:56.480 sleepwalking

01:21:57.520 into

01:21:58.420 censorship

01:21:58.840 not knowing

01:21:59.520 the costs

01:22:00.100 of censorship

01:22:00.640 the costs

01:22:01.160 of

01:22:01.340 the amount

01:22:03.360 of impact

01:22:04.320 it could

01:22:04.580 have on

01:22:05.200 society

01:22:05.960 as a

01:22:06.320 whole

01:22:06.560 and

01:22:07.540 giving

01:22:07.920 control

01:22:08.560 to a

01:22:09.040 very

01:22:09.320 small

01:22:09.780 number

01:22:10.100 of

01:22:10.320 people

01:22:10.620 on

01:22:10.880 speech

01:22:11.280 as a

01:22:11.540 whole

01:22:11.720 and when

01:22:11.920 you give

01:22:12.200 control

01:22:13.340 of speech

01:22:13.940 you give

01:22:14.200 control

01:22:14.540 to

01:22:14.860 ideas

01:22:15.600 to a

01:22:16.160 small

01:22:16.300 group

01:22:16.480 of

01:22:16.600 people

01:22:16.780 and we

01:22:17.080 saw

01:22:17.260 what

01:22:17.440 happens

01:22:17.880 when a

01:22:18.500 small

01:22:18.680 group

01:22:18.860 of

01:22:18.980 people

01:22:19.160 have

01:22:19.280 control

01:22:19.560 of

01:22:19.680 ideas

01:22:20.020 the leash

01:22:20.660 gets way

01:22:21.160 too long

01:22:21.740 and things

01:22:22.380 get out

01:22:22.660 of

01:22:22.760 control

01:22:23.120 so people

01:22:23.940 don't see

01:22:24.280 that

01:22:24.460 effect

01:22:24.860 where it's

01:22:25.120 like a

01:22:25.340 small

01:22:25.540 domino

01:22:25.920 small

01:22:26.220 censorship

01:22:26.580 one issue

01:22:27.240 because a

01:22:27.800 bigger issue

01:22:28.140 it works

01:22:28.600 like during

01:22:28.980 COVID it

01:22:29.340 worked

01:22:29.560 bigger issue

01:22:30.480 bigger issue

01:22:31.020 and the

01:22:31.220 dominoes

01:22:31.700 continue

01:22:32.020 falling

01:22:32.420 until you've

01:22:33.460 just got

01:22:33.740 a society

01:22:34.220 crumbling

01:22:34.640 because of

01:22:35.420 what could

01:22:36.160 be

01:22:36.480 innocent

01:22:36.900 censorship

01:22:37.380 because of

01:22:38.380 good intentions

01:22:39.100 I think

01:22:40.300 there's just so

01:22:40.760 much more

01:22:41.160 to discuss

01:22:41.800 obviously I wanted

01:22:42.940 to really dig

01:22:43.600 into Donald

01:22:44.500 Trump's

01:22:44.920 election results

01:22:45.760 I think that's

01:22:46.140 a fascinating

01:22:46.820 story and I

01:22:48.560 think what

01:22:48.780 impact it

01:22:49.300 would have

01:22:49.800 on the

01:22:51.240 parasitic

01:22:52.220 minds

01:22:52.640 or suicidal

01:22:54.140 empathy we're

01:22:54.640 seeing in the

01:22:54.960 US right now

01:22:55.560 well what I

01:22:56.100 can tell you

01:22:56.600 forgive me for

01:22:57.160 interrupting

01:22:57.420 I've been

01:23:00.380 very very keen

01:23:01.520 to warn

01:23:01.980 people that

01:23:02.780 they shouldn't

01:23:03.300 be complacent

01:23:04.360 in their

01:23:05.140 fight against

01:23:05.900 the parasitic

01:23:07.340 mind and

01:23:07.840 suicidal

01:23:08.140 empathy now

01:23:08.820 that Donald

01:23:09.720 Trump is

01:23:10.400 coming in

01:23:10.860 it's good

01:23:12.120 it's reversing

01:23:13.300 the trend

01:23:13.780 the fulcrum

01:23:14.600 is switching

01:23:15.100 there's an

01:23:15.560 auto correction

01:23:16.120 taking place

01:23:16.620 but it took

01:23:17.680 Mario 50 to

01:23:18.840 100 years

01:23:19.740 for these

01:23:20.300 ideas to

01:23:21.420 proliferate

01:23:22.240 originally from

01:23:23.080 university campuses

01:23:24.040 into every

01:23:25.340 nook and cranny

01:23:25.960 of society

01:23:26.540 now I'd like to

01:23:27.400 think that it

01:23:27.760 won't take 50 to

01:23:28.500 100 years to

01:23:29.100 get rid of

01:23:29.480 them but it's

01:23:30.300 not going to

01:23:30.900 be Donald

01:23:31.560 Trump comes

01:23:32.120 in woke

01:23:33.160 stuff is

01:23:33.620 gone

01:23:33.920 so we have

01:23:34.700 to stay

01:23:35.040 vigilant

01:23:35.400 we have

01:23:35.860 to keep

01:23:36.180 talking

01:23:36.540 we have

01:23:37.160 to keep

01:23:37.660 having these

01:23:38.060 conversations

01:23:38.520 and inshallah

01:23:39.980 in 20-25

01:23:41.060 years this

01:23:42.000 will be part

01:23:42.580 of the dust

01:23:43.520 bin of history

01:23:44.140 and I think

01:23:44.560 this is already

01:23:45.420 happening

01:23:45.880 I think Trump

01:23:47.240 will trigger

01:23:47.800 these discussions

01:23:48.620 he's really good

01:23:49.620 at making things

01:23:50.340 that seem taboo

01:23:51.120 no longer be taboo

01:23:52.060 it's really taboo

01:23:53.240 to question

01:23:53.640 mainstream media

01:23:54.340 it's one of the

01:23:54.980 things I disliked

01:23:56.140 the most about

01:23:56.800 Trump

01:23:57.000 the importance of

01:23:58.460 the freedom of

01:23:59.560 press is paramount

01:24:00.720 you cannot attack

01:24:01.800 the press this way

01:24:02.480 but then when you

01:24:03.200 understand the

01:24:03.680 press is

01:24:04.500 so biased

01:24:06.200 exactly

01:24:06.560 so biased

01:24:07.140 and corrupt

01:24:07.680 in many ways

01:24:08.180 the system

01:24:08.560 is so corrupt

01:24:09.060 that like hold on

01:24:09.600 Trump has a point

01:24:11.040 and now it became

01:24:12.200 normal to question

01:24:13.000 the press

01:24:13.500 but doctor

01:24:14.240 I think we should

01:24:15.740 do this again

01:24:16.380 there's so many

01:24:17.240 more points to discuss

01:24:18.100 especially

01:24:18.900 another one

01:24:19.580 I really was keen

01:24:20.620 on having a chat

01:24:21.480 with us

01:24:21.720 talking to my

01:24:22.180 girlfriend about

01:24:22.760 is all these

01:24:24.480 different points

01:24:25.100 and the way

01:24:25.720 you've linked

01:24:26.200 parasitic

01:24:26.700 there's two

01:24:27.360 different theories

01:24:28.020 the parasitic

01:24:29.240 mind and

01:24:29.640 especially

01:24:30.360 suicidal

01:24:30.860 empathy

01:24:31.320 and the impact

01:24:32.420 they have

01:24:32.740 on relationships

01:24:33.880 he has some

01:24:35.440 incredible stories

01:24:36.340 there

01:24:36.560 that I want to

01:24:38.060 for selfish reasons

01:24:39.140 ask about

01:24:39.760 I think I'll be

01:24:40.460 more interested

01:24:40.920 in the audience

01:24:41.560 to understand them

01:24:42.380 so we should do

01:24:43.180 this again

01:24:43.680 but it's been an

01:24:44.680 incredible pleasure

01:24:45.320 to have you

01:24:45.820 thank you so much

01:24:46.280 to be on the

01:24:46.640 other side of the

01:24:47.140 mic

01:24:47.340 and I'm gonna

01:24:47.980 put you right

01:24:48.580 now as in

01:24:49.200 the top few

01:24:49.940 hosts

01:24:50.420 just like I did

01:24:51.400 for the diary

01:24:51.980 CEO guy

01:24:52.620 I appreciate it

01:24:53.580 thank you for that

01:24:54.180 it's very kind of

01:24:54.740 thank you

01:24:55.380 thank you

01:24:55.400 cheers

01:24:55.720 thank you

The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - December 16, 2024

The Parasitic Mind & Suicidal Empathy (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_769)

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