The Suicidal Empathy of the West, British Insanity, and Justin Trudeau (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_781)
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Dr. Gad Saad is a visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood University. He is the author of The Parasitic Mind and his new book, Suicidal Empathy, which explores the evolutionary imperative to be kind, compassionate, and tolerant to those who wish to destroy us.
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Dr. Gad Saad is joining us now here on The Will Cain Show.
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He's also a visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood University.
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He's the author of The Parasitic Mind and a new book coming up called Suicidal Empathy,
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which we're going to be talking about today, Dr. Saad.
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But if I might, Gad, you've been listening to both Donald Trump and The Will Cain Show today.
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I think there is a thematic, you know, I mean, I always think one of the most interesting
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things ever said about Donald Trump is that the left takes him literally, but not seriously.
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The right takes him seriously, but not literally.
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Today, he is saying things that should, at least five years ago, make the left totally
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But there's also a serious thematic tie of restructuring, reprioritizing the world order
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where America thinks of itself and what serves its censors first and sort of holds everyone
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What are your thoughts on what's being said right now by Donald Trump?
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I mean, I didn't follow all that he said, but to your general point about America, you
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I mean, history is shaped by the following dynamics.
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There are two tribes on each side of the river, and each of the two tribes looks at the resources
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And the only thing that stops them from attacking the other tribe is that there are other men
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in the other tribe that are formidable and would not take kindly to them attacking them.
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And it is that dynamic that keeps things in check.
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Now, imagine if a civilization says, no, no, no, no more of that evolutionary imperative of
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protecting what's ours, of exhibiting kindness, but always with a big stick behind our backs.
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But rather, we're always going to be infinitely kind, infinitely compassionate, infinitely tolerant
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And that's why we end up with the kind of quagmire that we see today in the West.
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You know what's fascinating about this analogy, this metaphor you've given us of two tribes
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However, if we were to take that analogy and adjust it for modern times, which you began
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to there in your answer is say, okay, but the scenario in modern, at least when it comes
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to the West and certainly when it comes to America is that one tribe is incredibly more
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And to your point, might historically might has been right, but that doesn't seem in a
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lot of ways the way the might views itself today.
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So the powerful tribe on one side of the river attempts to placate the other tribe, to your
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And oftentimes now the other tribe is the one resorting to violence or threats of coercion
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It can even manifest in cancel culture, which was driven by a radical minority.
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In other words, not the might side of the equation.
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But they got their way through force and coercion.
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Sometimes they threaten your reputation, call you a racist.
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And it's like, to me, you're a hundred percent.
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I love your analogy because we can rationalize.
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We can say, well, but you should deal logically like this, or you should be empathetic and think
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But in the end, it's like, hey, if you keep responding to me in this coercive manner, guess
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Like, at what point am I forced into the role of force, meaning I being the world power,
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The might has handcuffed itself in many ways and said, I guess I'll let myself be forced
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and coerced or even be forced into immoral or wrong situations because I should feel guilty
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And at some point, the might is just going to go, time to flex.
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So a couple of things I'll say here, Robert Axelrod, a famous political scientist in the
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80s, ran simulations of what is the optimal strategy.
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And he, when two parties are interacting with each other.
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And so the reciprocal tit for tat strategy turned out to win, which is begin with the
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first move as, you know, kind and altruistic, and then watch what the other one does, and
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And of all the possible modeling strategies, that's the one that wins.
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Now, it didn't need a fancy political scientist.
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I think he was at University of Michigan to understand that there is a relationship,
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Now, imagine if we break that thing whereby it's completely parasitic.
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I grant you endless empathy, but I never expect anything of you in return.
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And let me add one more fancy professorial content.
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I wrote an article about a year ago on something that I coined cultural theory of mind.
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Theory of mind is something that is innate to human sociality.
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It's when I put myself in your brain, Will, in order to be able to think, well, what is he thinking
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And then we can engage in a fruitful dialogue, right?
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Autistic children, by the way, lack theory of mind.
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That's one of the ways that you're able to diagnose them early as being autistic, because
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you can give them a theory of mind test, which they fail.
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Well, imagine now if I argue that there is a cultural theory of mind blindness, whereby
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the West thinks that kindness, compassion, empathy, magnanimity will be reciprocated.
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But the other group thinks of each of those things as manifestations of weakness.
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So they don't look at it as beautiful things to be reciprocated.
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They see it as weakness, weakness, weakness, and weakness.
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That's why I explained on, I can't remember which show it was, that when I speak to people
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in Arabic, they historically have told me, we can't believe how the West acts.
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Arabic is a very powerful and flowery language, but that's exactly what it is.
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Weakness, I mean, magnanimity is viewed as weakness.
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The quicker that we can get our politicians to understand theory of mind, the better off we'll
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I want to get into suicidal empathy, but since you brought up Arabic and it's a current event,
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and you have contributed to this conversation unfolding on one platform, on X, we talked
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So these grooming gangs of Pakistani Muslim men in the UK who are raping young women and
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has been happening, I believe, for, I don't know, Dr. Saad, like, is it a 15-year time
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Is that a fair, like, at least that's when it's been...
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But you're pointing out it was going on before it was even discussed at all, right?
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Talk to me about this because, okay, there's several levels of interest to this story.
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One is the cultural diagnosis of what's going on in South Asia, Pakistan, wherever this
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We've heard from American soldiers have come back and seen what's taking place in Afghanistan.
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But then the second level, perhaps even more interesting, is the way that it was handled
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in the UK, which is back to how the West views itself, kind of what we're talking about
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And the best way I've seen this written, Dr. Saad, is the UK was more...
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In love with the image, the perfect image of multiculturalism than the truth of multiculturalism.
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Look, I mean, and hence, that's exactly why the British grooming gangs is front and center
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Because you are rejecting, you are destroying the integrity, the bodily integrity of arguably
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hundreds of thousands of children at the altar of appearing infinitely tolerant, right?
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Yes, it would be nice for us to speak out on these issues.
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But if we do that, then we will marginalize the hundreds of thousands of Pakistani men who
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That would be arguing, don't go after male serial killers.
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Because by going after male serial killers, you will marginalize my dad and my brother,
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who are also male, but who are not serial killers.
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By the way, there's a whole range of retorts that you typically get from people.
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Either they are Muslim themselves or they're Western protectors to try to justify why it
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was perfectly reasonable to do the cover-up, right?
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They put up pictures of endless white pedophiles.
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As if that is a valid argument for why you shouldn't go after Pakistani Muslim pedophiles,
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Nobody questions the fact that there are nasty Jewish pedophiles, there are atheist pedophiles,
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there are Christian pedophiles as per the Catholic Church.
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But that doesn't mean that because that holds true, we don't say that when it comes to the
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epidemiological realities of what's been happening for the past 20 or 30 years in Britain,
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there tends to be one group that is grossly over-represented per capita.
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And the inability to simply say what I just said is absolutely insane.
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And I was going to say this phrase, if you did not, this pair of wording, per capita.
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Whenever they do this, they lose the entire ability to understand per capita.
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I saw a stat this morning that I think it was three and a half times.
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So that a British Pakistani Muslim rate of whatever pedophilia, statutory rape, all these, whatever,
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however this crime is categorized, was three and a half times more likely per capita than
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Like, is there a cultural tolerance of it, a cultural acceptance of it?
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And we know the answer to these things because we can also see the rates of prevalence of it
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We can go back and say, what's happening in Afghanistan?
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And therefore, then you have to deal with cultural relevancy.
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If you can say, okay, happening more per capita, therefore tied to culture.
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And by the way, that doesn't mean everybody within the culture practices this degeneracy.
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But if it happens at a greater rate in this culture, then you start comparing cultures and
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This is not a better culture, at least in this respect.
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And therefore, the majority culture, the might culture in this scenario, doesn't have to
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Like the might is right thing in Donald Trump, this speech he's giving today, he's reorganizing
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You know, that's what his whole speech is saying, basically.
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But we can't have these honest conversations because I don't know.
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I guess is it we're supposed to pretend that all cultures are of equal value.
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They are all equal, except that the West is less equal, right?
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So and this is why, yes, this is why I refer to cultural relativism as one of the key parasitic
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Cultural relativism was an idea that was developed by cultural anthropologists who were were that
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were they were worried that the misuse of biology, for example, arguing that there is a unite,
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universal human nature might result in all sorts of nefarious political agents misusing biology.
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There is a race, but there's a struggle between the races.
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Sorry, Jews, you lost and the Aryans won, right?
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So because of that, cultural anthropologists developed a whole new edifice of knowledge where
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you completely abdicated the role of biology in explaining human affairs, one of which is
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who are we to judge the mores of another society?
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If another society views it within their religious texts that it is perfectly permissible to cut
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off the clitorises of five-year-old girls, shut up, cultural imperialists.
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So imagine how much that makes you impotent to weigh in on issues if I suddenly lose the
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reflex to be disgusted at the idea that little girls are going to face female genital mutilation.
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I have the capacity as a free human being to say you don't have the right to cut off the
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And if you think I'm a cultural imperialist, F you.
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So, okay, now let's tie this into a debate that you're having, Dr. Saad, with a guy that
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This took place on X, and we can put up some of the exchange that you had with Piers.
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Piers had talked about having Tommy Robinson, who's a guy in the UK who's been highlighting,
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putting a megaphone behind these problems going on in the UK for quite some time.
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And I guess he was on Piers Morgan's program, and Piers accused him of being Islamophobic,
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You said, Piers, and you were very respectful, by the way.
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You said, please forgive me for questioning you publicly, but what do you mean by Islamophobic
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Could you provide a framework under which scrutiny of Islam and its values and constitute fair
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criticism versus what falls under the rubric of Islamophobia?
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Perhaps I could ask you the following question.
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Do you think that the incursion of Islam in Britain has been a net benefit to your country?
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He responded to you, by the way, Dr. Saad, and he said he said, yes, it is a net benefit.
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He said Islamophobic means having or showing a dislike of or prejudiced against Islam or Muslims.
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Tommy Robinson is on the record saying these things, and it meets the criteria.
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Regarding the UK, I think the vast majority of Muslims here are a benefit to our society.
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I hope you're going to read my response to that.
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Basically, so you ask basically, define your terms.
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Well, so basically what I said is, to sort of summarize my retort, which people can go
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and check it on my feed, I said, look, number one, I can criticize communism without harboring
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Let's go back to before the Soviet Union collapsed, right?
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So the sociopolitical economic ideology called communism has a set of tenets, which I may either
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wholeheartedly support or think that they are abhorrent and contrary to human nature,
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and I could criticize those without holding zero hate towards Igor, the Soviet, yes?
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By the exact same logic, it doesn't take a fancy evolutionary behavioral scientist.
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By the exact same logic, I can harbor zero hate towards Muslims as individuals.
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I know more Muslims who are friends of mine than most people will ever meet by virtue of the
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fact that I'm from Lebanon, but I could make statements about Islam that in no way could
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constitute what Pierce is referring to as Islamophobia.
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Does Islam have orgiastic love or hate towards the Jews?
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But Pierce can't do that because for Pierce, he's been inculcated with the Western reflex
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that to criticize anyone's religion is gauche, right?
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You don't talk about politics at the dinner table and you never talk about religion, except
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if you are criticizing Christianity, in which case you could put a crucifix in urine and call
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Now he replied to me, but I just wrote to him before I came on the show saying, I'm going
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Well, you should have said the Will Cain show because that really would have chapped his
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You're doing it not on Pierce Morgan tonight, but you're doing it on the Will Cain show.
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I'm so glad you corrected me earlier on something.
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I said, am I required to believe in cultural relativism?
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It's not that we have to believe that all cultures are equal because what we're really
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required to believe, as you just pointed out in like, you can put a crucifix in urine
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is that the West culturally is actually inferior to these other cultures.
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And your new book, which I haven't read yet is suicidal empathy.
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Now I want to run this by you because I came across this thread and I, top of my head, I
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cannot remember who wrote it, but I found it very thoughtful.
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Sad with the heat map of concentric circles of left and right and where they extend empathy
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or where they extend their priorities or where, how much they care.
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I don't know the, I don't know the circle that you're speaking of, but I makes a similar
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So the right, the right gives its priority and its care to things closest to home, you
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know, God, family, friends, neighborhood, you know, local state on and on until you get
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to the furthest outreach circles is, you know, just as an example, Ukraine.
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The left heat map looks like more care, more empathy on further outer rings of the concentric
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circles, more for Ukraine than the neighbor or the family.
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So the argument made by this person on X was we make the mistake of often thinking that the
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left is driven by empathy, you know, a care for others.
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And it, and in your case, you argue for its suicidal nature.
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In many cases, he says, and I'm real, I'm real careful of this, Dr.
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Sack, cause I don't want to project the worst motivations on my opponents at all occasions,
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He said, it is a hatred of what is similar to you.
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And ultimately what is you it's ultimately driven by a self hatred.
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So what that means is I hate people in my socioeconomic class.
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I hate people that live like me in my neighborhood.
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It's all driven from some things, some something psychologically internally.
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And this is, this is how the left is actually being driven instead of by empathy.
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It's at its core being driven by a self hatred, something they recognize in themselves that
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they hate something they see in their family that they hate something they see in people
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the same race as them that they hate and on and on and on.
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And that's why their empathy is so far away and theoretical.
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The question, if I'm, if I'm questioning the framework of the person that, that you were
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reading the thread from, why does that hate exist?
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Actually, I was working on that section yesterday in the book.
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Uh, so take, for example, the mechanism of survivor guilt, right?
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So this is the idea in, in, in, in, as a psychiatric condition where the plane crashes and within
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your role, the four people next to you all died, but you survived.
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And then as you walk away, at first you're happy and elated.
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But then you are completely shackled by this ruminative thought of, but why did I survive?
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And existentially, I feel guilty now that these four lovely people that I was having a chat
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Now let's take this mechanism and apply it to the West.
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If I am a progressive, I think that there is something inherently icky about the fact that
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I have these riches, but whereas poor Hondurans don't, whereas people in Namibia don't have
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And hence the way that I remedy that self-hate, that existential survivor guilt is that I become
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It's Honduran children that are really important.
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It's Honduran or El Salvador MS-13 gang members that I should be really funding with free phones
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And so I think both the explanation that you gave and the framework that I'm creating can
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I think empathy is a generous motivation to extend to people who only have empathy far from
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And I, but I don't think it is mutually exclusive, but rather tied to the idea it's hatred for
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what is similar and ultimately hatred within that is driving a lot of this.
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Now, I also always want to say, I don't think it's healthy to ascribe the worst of human
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motivations to people that disagree with you or who might be your opponent.
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And you always need to look yourself in the mirror and say, you know, what is driving my
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It's not, you know, but I did find this very thoughtful, as I know you will be in suicidal
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Donald Trump is just finished speaking at Mar-a-Lago.
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He talked about Joe Biden doing away with offshore drilling, the focus on electricity, moving
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He said he's in love with electricity and it's itchy.
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He talked about not taking even military or economic coercion off the table when it comes
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I say this as anyone now joining us here from Donald Trump's live stream as we react to that
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Gad Saad today is all tied together by this idea of reengineering how you view the world,
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And, and, and by the way, this ties to what I'm talking about with Dr.
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Saad, not being driven by some fake suicidal empathy, but if you do a, I will do B because
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I am more powerful and I trust in my own righteousness.
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Not that I'm unfallible, not that I'm infallible, but I'm also not as Western civilization supposed
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to be apologetic for other cultures that we see, for example, in the UK, they've done horrible
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That's a recap as Donald Trump, by the way, has just finished speaking at Mar-a-Lago.
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Saad, who have some seeming sense of self-hatred, yours, Canadian culture.
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You know, you guys just did away with Justin Trudeau.
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One of the most anti-free speech authoritarians in Western civilization, not the most because
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I think New Zealand takes the gold medal, but you're on the podium.
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He was on the podium for most anti-free speech Western leader.
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And the question I had yesterday, though, is does Canadian culture allow for a man like
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Justin Trudeau or does it allow for an alternative?
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Well, I'd like to think that there's an auto-correction that's taking place.
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And so I do think that anyone, I mean, Ebola would have been a better prime minister than
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He really, truly exemplifies all of the worst frailties that a human being can possess and
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So even Jacinda Ardern, you mentioned New Zealand.
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I mean, she was grotesque, but she wasn't as personally corrupt as Justin Trudeau.
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I mean, he's everything you can hope for in your biggest possible villain that you can,
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So I do think that there is an auto-correction taking place.
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I think, of course, Pierre Poilievre will certainly be better.
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But I hold out my full optimism because the number one thing, in my view, that is affecting
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the future trajectory of Canada is the demographic changes that have taken place in Canada.
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And so there needs to be a stop of orgiastic immigration coming from countries that abhor
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And there needs to be a deportation of many people who don't share our ideals.
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And whether Pierre Poilievre is able to do it or not, I'm not sure.
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But at least I'm being optimistic that it'll be a better run.
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That's what I talked about yesterday here in my first episode back from the Christmas break.
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It's like, it's what you and I are talking about.
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I certainly believe in, I believe in the supremacy of Western civilization.
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And I don't think we should be walking around with self-hatred and importing people
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We're watching right now the cost of that in the UK.
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You're doing something similar in Canada, and we are doing that here in the United States
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And who you are, America, it's pretty special on the entirety of the world stage and throughout
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You brought up Pierre, and I'm not gonna be able to say it because I don't speak French
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If you ranked languages that I am capable of just jumping in, feet first to the deep
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end, treading water, and pronouncing it right, for some reason, French is like really low for
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He is the potential next prime minister of Canada.
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He's a conservative leader, and he's really good.
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And that was really illustrated in an exchange he had with, I believe it is, a Canadian journalist.
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On the topic, I mean, in terms of your sort of strategy currently, you're obviously taking
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Well, appealing to people's more emotional levels, I would guess.
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I mean, certainly you tap very strong ideological language quite frequently.
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Left wing, you know, this and that, right wing, you know, I mean, it's that type of ideological
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You know, he goes on and on and he just, he's actually not mean.
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And then rhetoric is the, you know, putting ideas into words.
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And he just destroys this reporter who bakes assumption after assumption with, what do you
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Because he also bakes in, like people are saying, you're saying this, he goes, what
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I believe it was with, um, I don't remember which journalist he did it with.
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Just refuse to accept the assumptions baked into the question, which again, I don't know
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much about Pierre Polovelet, uh, in his politics, but I sure do like his ability
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of, of logic and rhetoric right here on display.
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The, the, the, the, the prop of the, uh, apple is actually incredibly powerful because
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it reminds me, and this might be the first time that someone draws an analogy between
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If you remember Clint Eastwood in the sixties, I didn't even speak English then.
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I, Arabic was my mother tongue, but then Clint Eastwood comes into a town.
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He's always got that little small cigar, right?
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He just had to kind of show up and do the little cigar thing.
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And I would say, I want to be that guy when I grow up.
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So that's what Pierre Polovelet invoked, right?
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Just very calm, very cool and biting the apple.
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As you said, there is all sorts of ways of having powerful rhetoric.
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He's got his sunglasses in the same hand as the apple effortless, um, as he thinks through
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And, uh, and, and then by the way, posit the apple and the casualness of eating that
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apple as you intellectually destroy another human being with simple Socratic questions
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with the nervous laughter of the reporter, constant nervous laughter that he tries to guys in
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some like arrogance or condescension, but it's really, it's really paper thin.
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You know, it's not, he doesn't, you can see he doesn't even believe it.
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And I see it, but all of the progressives don't, what is it in our module in our brain
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that allows us to interpret these cues accurately, but they can't.
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Can you help me with that, that, with that fancy lawyer?
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So if the other side sees that interaction and maybe they see condescension and arrogance
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in, in Pierre, I really can't do it, but if, um, if Paulie F in, they, they don't see
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the condescension in insecurity in the reporter, we first have to start with, are we accurate?
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Of course we believe we are, or we wouldn't hold the opinion.
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I truly do believe that self-awareness is the key to wisdom.
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I don't check my premises or look in the mirror because I'm a navel gazer or I'm insecure.
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I do it because I believe self-awareness is the grounding or the first step to wisdom.
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The Delphic maxim, know thyself has survived thousands of years, right?
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That's why I always tell people, if you've got a self-help guru, who's giving you all
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sorts of very, very broad, you know, uh, prescriptions to life with all sorts of specificity.
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Because just know thyself has stood the test of time to your point.
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I don't, it's, uh, the opposite of confirmation bias, right?
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Confirmation bias is, oh, he said something that I already believed.
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And so the left looks at that scenario and says, um, Pierre Poliev, he is, um, he is the
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And so the, here's the humble reporter, simply speaking truth to power.
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And of course, all of his assumptions are correct.
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Of course, there's people saying you're an ideologue.
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Of course, there's people saying you're a populist.
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No, I think, but just to add to your point, I think that, so if I'm a progressive and
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I see that interaction, my mind and my senses completely shut out that nervous laugh of
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All I see screaming at me is the next Hitler, right?
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Therefore, if he's conservative, he's probably going to round up all the indigenous people
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So I can't, my senses can't even pick up the condescension that you're speaking of
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or the arrogance or the insecurity, because there's a much louder scream coming at me.
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So maybe that's why they don't see what we see.
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I think this, this last topic I want to ask you about ties it together.
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So if there is a theme to you and I listening to Donald Trump today, the cultural re-pivot
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of even Facebook, um, and then bringing in what we're talking about with the UK grooming
00:33:14.260
gangs and so forth, it's, it's dealing with cultures and, you know, knowing yourself, hating
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yourself versus, you know, knowing yourself and understanding your role in human history
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and not, not taking on these other cultures because you believe there's something wrong
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with yourself, Joe Biden gave away, I don't know what it ended up being.
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Was it two dozen or so presidential medal of freedoms?
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And, you know, it was Denzel Washington was included.
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Lionel Messi, your guy, your guy, Lionel Messi got one.
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And I don't think there's ever been a better historical figure that illustrates the hatred
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of Western civilization and the funding of its dismantling than George Soros.
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And for that, by the current modern day American left embodied by Joe Biden, he gets the presidential
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So, I mean, imagine a world where Hillary Clinton and George Soros are lauded as bastions
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of freedom, but Elon Musk is completely ignored because, you know, he's a billionaire guy who
00:34:34.740
When Elon does, he must be some sort of pro-apartheid monster from South Africa.
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But hopefully we're going to turn that ship around, Will.
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Let me ask that as we, as we end, because it'll, it'll tie to Facebook.
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It does feel like a golden age in a bit, Dr. Sad.
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Um, or at least on the doorstep of a potential golden age, because it feels like there is
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The leadership change is a reflection of a cultural change in America.
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And the question is, have we, and can we shift to moving away from self-hatred of Western
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civilization and the exalted place of the United States of America?
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Is Facebook really recognizing this cultural shift?
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Are all these corporate CEOs or are they just going, oh, you know what?
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The mogul on the ski hill currently reads as follows.
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And we need to jump down a few notches on the Donald Trump moguls.
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Yeah, so, uh, to your point, I've, I've often been asked, do you think that now that Donald
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Trump has gotten his second term, we're done with woke stuff?
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Is there, is there reason to celebrate orgiastically?
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Because the, the, the alternative would have been disastrous, but it took 50 to a hundred
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years for all of these parasitic ideas and suicidal empathy and these reflex of self-hatred
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to pro, to be promulgated into every nook and cranny of our society.
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So it's, it's going to take a lot more than just Donald Trump for the next four years to
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Celebrate for a moment or two on, on January 20th, but there's a lot more work to be done
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Hopefully it won't be 50 to a hundred years, but it will be a lot more than just one term
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I know your fingers are itching to get back to X and go after Piers Morgan.
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So I'm going to let him go, but you listening at home, watching on YouTube and Facebook
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need to know that he's already written the parasitic mind, this new book, which is, it's
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not just the centerpiece of the conversation we've had here today, but I think the centerpiece
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And we just hit five new stories, including the press conference day by Donald Trump that I
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do think at a deep level is tied to the idea of suicidal empathy.
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The title of his upcoming book, it is visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood