The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - The Suicidal Empathy of the West, British Insanity, and Justin Trudeau (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_781)

00:00:00.000 Dr. Gad Saad is joining us now here on The Will Cain Show.

00:00:04.640 He's a friend.

00:00:05.280 He's been on the show a lot.

00:00:06.120 He's also a visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood University.

00:00:10.700 He's the author of The Parasitic Mind and a new book coming up called Suicidal Empathy,

00:00:16.120 which we're going to be talking about today, Dr. Saad.

00:00:19.360 But if I might, Gad, you've been listening to both Donald Trump and The Will Cain Show today.

00:00:26.860 I think there is a thematic, you know, I mean, I always think one of the most interesting

00:00:31.640 things ever said about Donald Trump is that the left takes him literally, but not seriously.

00:00:35.300 The right takes him seriously, but not literally.

00:00:37.840 Today, he is saying things that should, at least five years ago, make the left totally

00:00:42.300 lose their minds and probably censor him.

00:00:44.280 But there's also a serious thematic tie of restructuring, reprioritizing the world order

00:00:52.280 where America thinks of itself and what serves its censors first and sort of holds everyone

00:00:56.760 accountable to common sense.

00:00:58.040 What are your thoughts on what's being said right now by Donald Trump?

00:01:00.940 I mean, I didn't follow all that he said, but to your general point about America, you

00:01:07.440 know, might is right.

00:01:08.940 That's evolutionary history, right?

00:01:11.020 I mean, history is shaped by the following dynamics.

00:01:14.660 There are two tribes on each side of the river, and each of the two tribes looks at the resources

00:01:20.760 of the other one with envy.

00:01:22.720 And the only thing that stops them from attacking the other tribe is that there are other men 1.00

00:01:27.080 in the other tribe that are formidable and would not take kindly to them attacking them.

00:01:32.240 And it is that dynamic that keeps things in check.

00:01:35.620 Now, imagine if a civilization says, no, no, no, no more of that evolutionary imperative of

00:01:41.040 protecting what's ours, of exhibiting kindness, but always with a big stick behind our backs.

00:01:47.500 But rather, we're always going to be infinitely kind, infinitely compassionate, infinitely tolerant

00:01:53.620 to even to those who wish to destroy us.

00:01:57.060 That's not a good cocktail.

00:01:58.600 And that's why we end up with the kind of quagmire that we see today in the West.

00:02:04.040 You know what's fascinating about this analogy, this metaphor you've given us of two tribes

00:02:08.280 across a river.

00:02:08.900 However, if we were to take that analogy and adjust it for modern times, which you began

00:02:14.420 to there in your answer is say, okay, but the scenario in modern, at least when it comes

00:02:19.980 to the West and certainly when it comes to America is that one tribe is incredibly more

00:02:23.080 powerful than the other tribe.

00:02:25.660 And to your point, might historically might has been right, but that doesn't seem in a

00:02:31.220 lot of ways the way the might views itself today.

00:02:34.000 So the powerful tribe on one side of the river attempts to placate the other tribe, to your

00:02:39.680 point, with kindness.

00:02:41.140 And oftentimes now the other tribe is the one resorting to violence or threats of coercion

00:02:46.500 and force.

00:02:47.700 That can manifest in many different ways.

00:02:49.660 It can even manifest in cancel culture, which was driven by a radical minority.

00:02:53.860 In other words, not the might side of the equation.

00:02:56.900 But they got their way through force and coercion.

00:03:00.140 Sometimes they could threaten your job.

00:03:01.520 Sometimes they threaten your reputation, call you a racist.

00:03:04.220 Sometimes they threaten whatever it may be.

00:03:06.640 And it's like, to me, you're a hundred percent.

00:03:09.160 I love your analogy because we can rationalize.

00:03:12.100 We can say, well, but you should deal logically like this, or you should be empathetic and think

00:03:15.700 of it this.

00:03:16.360 But in the end, it's like, hey, if you keep responding to me in this coercive manner, guess

00:03:21.820 what?

00:03:22.720 I own more coercion.

00:03:24.420 Like, at what point am I forced into the role of force, meaning I being the world power,

00:03:30.160 the side of might?

00:03:31.180 The might has handcuffed itself in many ways and said, I guess I'll let myself be forced

00:03:36.620 and coerced or even be forced into immoral or wrong situations because I should feel guilty

00:03:42.240 about being mightiful, you know?

00:03:44.500 And at some point, the might is just going to go, time to flex.

00:03:48.980 Right.

00:03:49.460 So a couple of things I'll say here, Robert Axelrod, a famous political scientist in the

00:03:54.280 80s, ran simulations of what is the optimal strategy.

00:03:59.440 And he, when two parties are interacting with each other.

00:04:04.100 And so the reciprocal tit for tat strategy turned out to win, which is begin with the

00:04:10.140 first move as, you know, kind and altruistic, and then watch what the other one does, and

00:04:17.660 then simply reciprocate whatever they do.

00:04:20.920 So if they act kindly, you act kindly.

00:04:23.300 If they act nastily, then you replicate.

00:04:26.300 And of all the possible modeling strategies, that's the one that wins.

00:04:31.820 Now, it didn't need a fancy political scientist.

00:04:34.760 I think he was at University of Michigan to understand that there is a relationship,

00:04:39.020 a causal relationship between things.

00:04:41.300 If you do A, I'll do B.

00:04:43.420 Now, imagine if we break that thing whereby it's completely parasitic.

00:04:48.840 It's only one way.

00:04:49.960 I grant you endless empathy, but I never expect anything of you in return.

00:04:55.220 And let me add one more fancy professorial content.

00:05:01.740 I wrote an article about a year ago on something that I coined cultural theory of mind.

00:05:06.860 Theory of mind is something that is innate to human sociality.

00:05:11.140 It's when I put myself in your brain, Will, in order to be able to think, well, what is he thinking

00:05:17.680 right now?

00:05:18.180 And then we can engage in a fruitful dialogue, right?

00:05:21.920 Autistic children, by the way, lack theory of mind.

00:05:24.860 That's one of the ways that you're able to diagnose them early as being autistic, because

00:05:30.020 you can give them a theory of mind test, which they fail.

00:05:32.700 Well, imagine now if I argue that there is a cultural theory of mind blindness, whereby

00:05:38.700 the West thinks that kindness, compassion, empathy, magnanimity will be reciprocated.

00:05:46.920 But the other group thinks of each of those things as manifestations of weakness.

00:05:53.620 So they don't look at it as beautiful things to be reciprocated.

00:05:57.340 They see it as weakness, weakness, weakness, and weakness.

00:06:00.820 That's why I explained on, I can't remember which show it was, that when I speak to people

00:06:04.800 in Arabic, they historically have told me, we can't believe how the West acts.

00:06:10.660 For us, the West is a woman to be mounted. 1.00

00:06:15.040 Arabic is a very powerful and flowery language, but that's exactly what it is.

00:06:19.860 Weakness, I mean, magnanimity is viewed as weakness.

00:06:23.920 The quicker that we can get our politicians to understand theory of mind, the better off we'll

00:06:29.600 be.

00:06:31.660 I want to get into suicidal empathy, but since you brought up Arabic and it's a current event, 1.00

00:06:37.300 and you have contributed to this conversation unfolding on one platform, on X, we talked

00:06:45.320 about it yesterday. 0.99

00:06:46.380 So these grooming gangs of Pakistani Muslim men in the UK who are raping young women and 0.97

00:06:55.100 has been happening, I believe, for, I don't know, Dr. Saad, like, is it a 15-year time 0.99

00:07:00.360 frame?

00:07:00.840 Is that a fair, like, at least that's when it's been...

00:07:02.680 That would be a conservative one.

00:07:04.180 That's when it's been revealed.

00:07:04.880 We can go back 20 to 30.

00:07:05.800 Sorry?

00:07:07.680 I think that's when it's been revealed.

00:07:09.160 But you're pointing out it was going on before it was even discussed at all, right?

00:07:13.080 Yes.

00:07:13.840 20 to 30 years.

00:07:15.240 Yeah.

00:07:16.800 It's...

00:07:17.560 Talk to me about this because, okay, there's several levels of interest to this story.

00:07:21.840 One is the cultural diagnosis of what's going on in South Asia, Pakistan, wherever this

00:07:27.920 is taking place.

00:07:28.960 We know about what's happening in Afghanistan.

00:07:30.920 We've talked...

00:07:31.560 We've heard from American soldiers have come back and seen what's taking place in Afghanistan.

00:07:35.620 But then the second level, perhaps even more interesting, is the way that it was handled

00:07:39.240 in the UK, which is back to how the West views itself, kind of what we're talking about

00:07:43.120 here, and the way it was covered up.

00:07:46.120 It was like...

00:07:47.200 And the best way I've seen this written, Dr. Saad, is the UK was more...

00:07:51.820 In love with the image, the perfect image of multiculturalism than the truth of multiculturalism.

00:07:59.840 Exactly right.

00:08:01.020 Look, I mean, and hence, that's exactly why the British grooming gangs is front and center

00:08:06.480 in my forthcoming book, Suicidal Empathy.

00:08:08.620 Because you are rejecting, you are destroying the integrity, the bodily integrity of arguably

00:08:17.740 hundreds of thousands of children at the altar of appearing infinitely tolerant, right?

00:08:24.180 So it's a consequentialist ethic.

00:08:26.680 Yes, it would be nice for us to speak out on these issues.

00:08:30.840 But if we do that, then we will marginalize the hundreds of thousands of Pakistani men who

00:08:36.660 are perfectly kind and lovely.

00:08:39.040 I mean, what kind of insane logic is that?

00:08:41.040 That would be arguing, don't go after male serial killers.

00:08:47.560 Because by going after male serial killers, you will marginalize my dad and my brother,

00:08:53.360 who are also male, but who are not serial killers.

00:08:56.420 It's insane, right?

00:08:57.400 By the way, there's a whole range of retorts that you typically get from people.

00:09:03.320 Either they are Muslim themselves or they're Western protectors to try to justify why it 1.00

00:09:10.000 was perfectly reasonable to do the cover-up, right?

00:09:13.960 Here is one. 0.98

00:09:14.980 They put up pictures of endless white pedophiles. 0.99

00:09:18.440 As if that is a valid argument for why you shouldn't go after Pakistani Muslim pedophiles, 1.00

00:09:25.920 right? 1.00

00:09:26.340 Nobody questions the fact that there are nasty Jewish pedophiles, there are atheist pedophiles, 1.00

00:09:32.140 there are Christian pedophiles as per the Catholic Church. 1.00

00:09:35.320 So there isn't a monopoly of degeneracy. 0.90

00:09:38.700 But that doesn't mean that because that holds true, we don't say that when it comes to the

00:09:43.360 epidemiological realities of what's been happening for the past 20 or 30 years in Britain,

00:09:47.980 there tends to be one group that is grossly over-represented per capita.

00:09:53.460 And the inability to simply say what I just said is absolutely insane.

00:09:58.780 It is suicidal.

00:10:01.100 And I was going to say this phrase, if you did not, this pair of wording, per capita.

00:10:06.500 Whenever they do this, they lose the entire ability to understand per capita.

00:10:11.020 I saw a stat this morning that I think it was three and a half times. 0.97

00:10:14.640 So that a British Pakistani Muslim rate of whatever pedophilia, statutory rape, all these, whatever, 0.96

00:10:23.860 however this crime is categorized, was three and a half times more likely per capita than 0.98

00:10:27.760 if it happened, whatever, a white male Brit.

00:10:32.120 It's per capita an issue.

00:10:34.360 And then you have to get to the why.

00:10:37.680 And the why is the most important part.

00:10:39.300 Like, is there a cultural tolerance of it, a cultural acceptance of it?

00:10:43.780 And we know the answer to these things because we can also see the rates of prevalence of it

00:10:46.960 back in home culture, right?

00:10:48.900 We can go back and say, what's happening in Afghanistan?

00:10:51.340 What's happening in Pakistan?

00:10:52.960 And therefore, then you have to deal with cultural relevancy.

00:10:56.360 If you can say, okay, happening more per capita, therefore tied to culture.

00:11:00.740 And by the way, that doesn't mean everybody within the culture practices this degeneracy.

00:11:05.820 But if it happens at a greater rate in this culture, then you start comparing cultures and

00:11:10.660 going, you know what?

00:11:11.880 This is not a better culture, at least in this respect.

00:11:14.560 And therefore, the majority culture, the might culture in this scenario, doesn't have to 0.93

00:11:20.620 self-flagellate and go, oh, we're terrible.

00:11:23.380 We're terrible.

00:11:23.980 We can't condemn.

00:11:25.120 This is kind of back to where we started.

00:11:26.580 Like the might is right thing in Donald Trump, this speech he's giving today, he's reorganizing

00:11:31.600 what you said.

00:11:32.460 If you do A, I do B.

00:11:34.320 You know, that's what his whole speech is saying, basically.

00:11:37.020 But we can't have these honest conversations because I don't know.

00:11:40.980 I don't know what it is.

00:11:42.320 I guess is it we're supposed to pretend that all cultures are of equal value.

00:11:47.780 In the end, there is no bad culture.

00:11:49.800 They are all equal, except that the West is less equal, right?

00:11:53.900 So and this is why, yes, this is why I refer to cultural relativism as one of the key parasitic

00:12:02.080 ideas in my 2020 book, The Parasitic Mind.

00:12:04.980 Cultural relativism was an idea that was developed by cultural anthropologists who were were that

00:12:10.980 were they were worried that the misuse of biology, for example, arguing that there is a unite,

00:12:17.980 universal human nature might result in all sorts of nefarious political agents misusing biology.

00:12:25.940 Say, for example, Hitler, right? 0.87

00:12:28.800 There is a race, but there's a struggle between the races.

00:12:31.600 We are the Aryans.

00:12:32.680 You are the Jews. 1.00

00:12:33.800 Sorry, Jews, you lost and the Aryans won, right? 1.00

00:12:36.240 So because of that, cultural anthropologists developed a whole new edifice of knowledge where

00:12:42.800 you completely abdicated the role of biology in explaining human affairs, one of which is

00:12:48.600 who are we to judge the mores of another society?

00:12:52.400 If another society views it within their religious texts that it is perfectly permissible to cut 1.00

00:12:57.620 off the clitorises of five-year-old girls, shut up, cultural imperialists. 1.00

00:13:02.240 Don't offer any moral judgment to that. 0.99

00:13:05.140 So imagine how much that makes you impotent to weigh in on issues if I suddenly lose the 0.58

00:13:12.020 reflex to be disgusted at the idea that little girls are going to face female genital mutilation. 0.94

00:13:18.800 No, no, no.

00:13:19.460 I do judge.

00:13:20.780 I have the capacity as a free human being to say you don't have the right to cut off the 0.99

00:13:26.080 clitorises of little girls. 1.00

00:13:27.420 And if you think I'm a cultural imperialist, F you. 0.99

00:13:30.240 So, okay, now let's tie this into a debate that you're having, Dr. Saad, with a guy that

00:13:39.340 I know, a co-worker, Piers Morgan.

00:13:41.900 This took place on X, and we can put up some of the exchange that you had with Piers.

00:13:47.740 Piers had talked about having Tommy Robinson, who's a guy in the UK who's been highlighting,

00:13:54.320 putting a megaphone behind these problems going on in the UK for quite some time.

00:13:57.620 And I guess he was on Piers Morgan's program, and Piers accused him of being Islamophobic,

00:14:03.640 okay?

00:14:04.300 And that's what Piers said.

00:14:06.500 I said he was Islamophobic, which he is.

00:14:09.380 You responded to Piers.

00:14:10.400 You said, Piers, and you were very respectful, by the way.

00:14:12.920 You said, please forgive me for questioning you publicly, but what do you mean by Islamophobic

00:14:18.200 specifically?

00:14:19.360 Could you provide a framework under which scrutiny of Islam and its values and constitute fair

00:14:25.080 criticism versus what falls under the rubric of Islamophobia?

00:14:28.780 Perhaps I could ask you the following question.

00:14:30.660 Do you think that the incursion of Islam in Britain has been a net benefit to your country? 1.00

00:14:34.960 If so, how?

00:14:35.900 And if not, would this be Islamophobic?

00:14:38.520 He responded to you, by the way, Dr. Saad, and he said he said, yes, it is a net benefit.

00:14:43.420 He said Islamophobic means having or showing a dislike of or prejudiced against Islam or Muslims.

00:14:49.220 Tommy Robinson is on the record saying these things, and it meets the criteria.

00:14:53.380 Regarding the UK, I think the vast majority of Muslims here are a benefit to our society. 0.85

00:14:59.240 I hope you're going to read my response to that.

00:15:01.060 Basically, so you ask basically, define your terms.

00:15:08.060 What is Islamophobia?

00:15:09.000 Well, so basically what I said is, to sort of summarize my retort, which people can go

00:15:15.920 and check it on my feed, I said, look, number one, I can criticize communism without harboring

00:15:23.780 any hate to individual Soviets.

00:15:25.720 Let's go back to before the Soviet Union collapsed, right?

00:15:29.120 So the sociopolitical economic ideology called communism has a set of tenets, which I may either

00:15:37.800 wholeheartedly support or think that they are abhorrent and contrary to human nature,

00:15:42.260 and I could criticize those without holding zero hate towards Igor, the Soviet, yes?

00:15:49.360 By the exact same logic, it doesn't take a fancy evolutionary behavioral scientist.

00:15:53.680 By the exact same logic, I can harbor zero hate towards Muslims as individuals.

00:16:00.720 I know more Muslims who are friends of mine than most people will ever meet by virtue of the

00:16:05.120 fact that I'm from Lebanon, but I could make statements about Islam that in no way could

00:16:11.940 constitute what Pierce is referring to as Islamophobia.

00:16:15.640 Does Islam promote sexual liberation of women?

00:16:20.200 If yes, okay.

00:16:21.660 If no, then let's talk about it.

00:16:23.800 Does Islam have orgiastic love or hate towards the Jews?

00:16:29.080 What's the position of Islam?

00:16:30.480 But Pierce can't do that because for Pierce, he's been inculcated with the Western reflex

00:16:36.460 that to criticize anyone's religion is gauche, right?

00:16:41.160 You don't talk about politics at the dinner table and you never talk about religion, except 0.81

00:16:46.980 if you are criticizing Christianity, in which case you could put a crucifix in urine and call

00:16:53.260 it art and we all applaud. 0.78

00:16:55.340 That's okay.

00:16:56.100 That's progressive. 0.73

00:16:56.900 But don't you dare ever criticize Islam. 0.95

00:17:00.620 It's Islamophobic.

00:17:01.700 Now he replied to me, but I just wrote to him before I came on the show saying, I'm going

00:17:06.540 on a show on Fox.

00:17:07.900 I'll, I'll respond shortly.

00:17:09.680 So stay tuned.

00:17:10.800 There's more to come with Pierce.

00:17:13.840 Okay.

00:17:14.420 Well, you should have said the Will Cain show because that really would have chapped his

00:17:16.980 hide.

00:17:17.220 You're doing it not on Pierce Morgan tonight, but you're doing it on the Will Cain show.

00:17:20.620 Oh, okay.

00:17:21.860 I'm so glad you corrected me earlier on something.

00:17:24.280 I said, am I required to believe in cultural relativism?

00:17:29.180 And you corrected that.

00:17:30.820 It's not that we have to believe that all cultures are equal because what we're really

00:17:36.460 required to believe, as you just pointed out in like, you can put a crucifix in urine

00:17:40.240 is that the West culturally is actually inferior to these other cultures.

00:17:46.880 And your new book, which I haven't read yet is suicidal empathy.

00:17:51.060 Now I want to run this by you because I came across this thread and I, top of my head, I

00:17:55.340 cannot remember who wrote it, but I found it very thoughtful.

00:17:58.860 You're familiar, Dr.

00:17:59.980 Sad with the heat map of concentric circles of left and right and where they extend empathy

00:18:06.860 or where they extend their priorities or where, how much they care.

00:18:11.240 Have you seen this?

00:18:11.800 I don't know the, I don't know the circle that you're speaking of, but I makes a similar

00:18:15.400 argument in suicidal empathy.

00:18:16.760 So I, I can get where you're going with it.

00:18:18.800 So the right, the right gives its priority and its care to things closest to home, you

00:18:23.080 know, God, family, friends, neighborhood, you know, local state on and on until you get

00:18:28.660 to the furthest outreach circles is, you know, just as an example, Ukraine.

00:18:32.840 The left heat map looks like more care, more empathy on further outer rings of the concentric

00:18:40.740 circles, more for Ukraine than the neighbor or the family.

00:18:45.160 So the argument made by this person on X was we make the mistake of often thinking that the

00:18:51.700 left is driven by empathy, you know, a care for others.

00:18:56.260 And it, and in your case, you argue for its suicidal nature.

00:18:59.220 In many cases, he says, and I'm real, I'm real careful of this, Dr.

00:19:03.200 Sack, cause I don't want to project the worst motivations on my opponents at all occasions,

00:19:06.640 but I found this thoughtful, not partisan.

00:19:08.560 He said, it's actually driven by hate.

00:19:10.560 He said, it is a hatred of what is similar to you.

00:19:15.040 And ultimately what is you it's ultimately driven by a self hatred.

00:19:19.900 So what that means is I hate people in my socioeconomic class.

00:19:23.340 I hate people that look like me in my race. 0.92

00:19:25.720 I hate people that live like me in my neighborhood. 1.00

00:19:28.860 I hate my family. 0.99

00:19:30.920 Ultimately, I hate me.

00:19:32.600 It's all driven from some things, some something psychologically internally.

00:19:36.960 And this is, this is how the left is actually being driven instead of by empathy.

00:19:40.860 It's at its core being driven by a self hatred, something they recognize in themselves that

00:19:45.820 they hate something they see in their family that they hate something they see in people

00:19:50.100 the same race as them that they hate and on and on and on.

00:19:52.880 And that's why their empathy is so far away and theoretical.

00:19:57.140 So I do discuss these kinds of issues.

00:20:00.140 The question, if I'm, if I'm questioning the framework of the person that, that you were

00:20:05.620 reading the thread from, why does that hate exist?

00:20:09.180 And so I offer some explanations.

00:20:11.640 Actually, I was working on that section yesterday in the book.

00:20:13.840 Uh, so take, for example, the mechanism of survivor guilt, right?

00:20:18.840 So this is the idea in, in, in, in, as a psychiatric condition where the plane crashes and within

00:20:25.280 your role, the four people next to you all died, but you survived.

00:20:29.100 And then as you walk away, at first you're happy and elated.

00:20:32.520 Hey, I survived.

00:20:33.280 But then you are completely shackled by this ruminative thought of, but why did I survive?

00:20:39.920 And existentially, I feel guilty now that these four lovely people that I was having a chat

00:20:44.940 with died.

00:20:45.840 Why should I survive?

00:20:47.000 And then that can become very debilitating.

00:20:49.520 Now let's take this mechanism and apply it to the West.

00:20:53.320 If I am a progressive, I think that there is something inherently icky about the fact that

00:21:00.260 I have these riches, but whereas poor Hondurans don't, whereas people in Namibia don't have 0.97

00:21:06.560 the same opportunities as I do.

00:21:08.840 And that's why I am self-hating.

00:21:12.680 And hence the way that I remedy that self-hate, that existential survivor guilt is that I become

00:21:19.940 orgiastically empathetic to the other. 0.52

00:21:22.920 Screw my children. 0.95

00:21:24.520 It's Honduran children that are really important. 1.00

00:21:27.500 Screw American vets. 0.99

00:21:29.040 It's Honduran or El Salvador MS-13 gang members that I should be really funding with free phones 0.96

00:21:36.700 and free health care.

00:21:38.040 And so I think both the explanation that you gave and the framework that I'm creating can

00:21:43.260 be fitted together to explain the phenomenon.

00:21:46.140 I think that's right.

00:21:47.800 I think empathy is a generous motivation to extend to people who only have empathy far from

00:21:55.420 home.

00:21:55.860 And I, but I don't think it is mutually exclusive, but rather tied to the idea it's hatred for

00:22:01.800 what is similar and ultimately hatred within that is driving a lot of this.

00:22:06.260 Now, I also always want to say, I don't think it's healthy to ascribe the worst of human

00:22:12.140 motivations to people that disagree with you or who might be your opponent.

00:22:14.900 And you always need to look yourself in the mirror and say, you know, what is driving my

00:22:18.140 motivations?

00:22:18.640 It's not, you know, but I did find this very thoughtful, as I know you will be in suicidal

00:22:24.520 empathy.

00:22:25.980 Donald Trump is just finished speaking at Mar-a-Lago.

00:22:29.540 He talked about Joe Biden doing away with offshore drilling, the focus on electricity, moving

00:22:35.900 everything to an electrical grid.

00:22:37.380 He said he's in love with electricity and it's itchy.

00:22:41.340 It's a bad way to heat a home.

00:22:43.260 He talked about NATO paying its its dues.

00:22:46.000 He talked about not taking even military or economic coercion off the table when it comes

00:22:49.980 to Panama Canal or Greenland.

00:22:52.240 I say this as anyone now joining us here from Donald Trump's live stream as we react to that

00:22:56.760 as well with Dr.

00:22:57.540 Gad Saad today is all tied together by this idea of reengineering how you view the world,

00:23:04.360 your role in the world.

00:23:05.220 And, and, and by the way, this ties to what I'm talking about with Dr.

00:23:08.380 Saad, not being driven by some fake suicidal empathy, but if you do a, I will do B because

00:23:14.440 I am more powerful and I trust in my own righteousness.

00:23:17.480 Not that I'm unfallible, not that I'm infallible, but I'm also not as Western civilization supposed

00:23:22.920 to be apologetic for other cultures that we see, for example, in the UK, they've done horrible 0.88

00:23:27.700 things.

00:23:28.000 That's a recap as Donald Trump, by the way, has just finished speaking at Mar-a-Lago.

00:23:31.680 Hey, speaking of cultures, Dr.

00:23:33.400 Saad, who have some seeming sense of self-hatred, yours, Canadian culture.

00:23:39.320 You know, you guys just did away with Justin Trudeau.

00:23:42.560 He just resigned.

00:23:44.480 One of the most anti-free speech authoritarians in Western civilization, not the most because

00:23:48.780 I think New Zealand takes the gold medal, but you're on the podium.

00:23:52.760 He was on the podium for most anti-free speech Western leader.

00:23:57.700 And here he is now stepping down.

00:23:59.640 And the question I had yesterday, though, is does Canadian culture allow for a man like 0.99

00:24:06.060 Justin Trudeau or does it allow for an alternative?

00:24:09.920 Well, I'd like to think that there's an auto-correction that's taking place.

00:24:14.160 And so I do think that anyone, I mean, Ebola would have been a better prime minister than 0.59

00:24:20.060 Justin Trudeau.

00:24:20.660 He really, truly exemplifies all of the worst frailties that a human being can possess and

00:24:28.140 none of the redeeming qualities, right?

00:24:30.240 So even Jacinda Ardern, you mentioned New Zealand.

00:24:34.040 I mean, she was grotesque, but she wasn't as personally corrupt as Justin Trudeau. 0.99

00:24:40.240 He's a malignant narcissist. 0.99

00:24:41.940 He's empty-headed. 1.00

00:24:43.600 He's arrogant. 1.00

00:24:44.800 He's vacuous. 0.98

00:24:47.060 I mean, he's everything you can hope for in your biggest possible villain that you can,

00:24:53.220 you know, come up with, engineer.

00:24:55.640 So I do think that there is an auto-correction taking place.

00:24:58.980 I think, of course, Pierre Poilievre will certainly be better.

00:25:02.320 But I hold out my full optimism because the number one thing, in my view, that is affecting

00:25:09.020 the future trajectory of Canada is the demographic changes that have taken place in Canada.

00:25:15.580 And so there needs to be a stop of orgiastic immigration coming from countries that abhor 1.00

00:25:22.660 our ways.

00:25:23.560 And there needs to be a deportation of many people who don't share our ideals.

00:25:29.340 And whether Pierre Poilievre is able to do it or not, I'm not sure.

00:25:33.360 But at least I'm being optimistic that it'll be a better run.

00:25:37.200 You say it so well.

00:25:38.640 That's what I talked about yesterday here in my first episode back from the Christmas break.

00:25:41.900 It's like, it's what you and I are talking about.

00:25:44.620 I don't believe in cultural relativism.

00:25:46.440 I certainly believe in, I believe in the supremacy of Western civilization.

00:25:50.720 And I don't think we should be walking around with self-hatred and importing people

00:25:55.320 who, as you point out, hate our way of life.

00:25:57.600 We've seen the cost of that.

00:25:59.000 We're watching right now the cost of that in the UK.

00:26:02.780 You're doing something similar in Canada, and we are doing that here in the United States

00:26:06.520 of America.

00:26:07.080 You wake up one day and you are not you.

00:26:10.120 And who you are, America, it's pretty special on the entirety of the world stage and throughout

00:26:16.060 human history.

00:26:17.060 Pretty special.

00:26:18.760 You brought up Pierre, and I'm not gonna be able to say it because I don't speak French

00:26:21.840 and I never will be.

00:26:22.640 If you ranked languages that I am capable of just jumping in, feet first to the deep

00:26:29.160 end, treading water, and pronouncing it right, for some reason, French is like really low for

00:26:32.720 me.

00:26:33.740 Pierre Paulevert?

00:26:35.140 Paule Vier?

00:26:35.680 I mean, if you said it's French.

00:26:36.800 How am I doing?

00:26:37.560 Pauleyev.

00:26:40.380 Pauleyev.

00:26:40.980 Pauleyev.

00:26:41.500 He is the potential next prime minister of Canada.

00:26:45.940 He's a conservative leader, and he's really good.

00:26:48.760 And that was really illustrated in an exchange he had with, I believe it is, a Canadian journalist.

00:26:55.180 Let's watch together.

00:26:55.720 Is this the apple story?

00:26:57.540 Yes.

00:26:57.780 Okay.

00:26:59.500 He's eating an apple.

00:27:00.440 On the topic, I mean, in terms of your sort of strategy currently, you're obviously taking

00:27:05.540 the populist pathway.

00:27:08.340 What does that mean?

00:27:09.000 Well, appealing to people's more emotional levels, I would guess.

00:27:16.460 I mean, certainly you tap very strong ideological language quite frequently.

00:27:22.800 Like what?

00:27:25.200 Left wing, you know, this and that, right wing, you know, I mean, it's that type of ideological

00:27:30.300 thing.

00:27:30.860 I never really talk about left or right.

00:27:32.180 But anyways, a lot of people...

00:27:32.980 I don't really believe in that.

00:27:33.840 Okay.

00:27:34.080 You know, he goes on and on and he just, he's actually not mean.

00:27:40.680 You and I both like rhetoric.

00:27:42.100 We all, we like ideas.

00:27:43.400 And then rhetoric is the, you know, putting ideas into words.

00:27:46.500 And he just destroys this reporter who bakes assumption after assumption with, what do you

00:27:51.740 mean by that?

00:27:52.700 Give me an example.

00:27:53.760 Like what?

00:27:54.760 What people say this?

00:27:56.080 Who are you referencing?

00:27:56.780 Because he also bakes in, like people are saying, you're saying this, he goes, what

00:27:59.460 people?

00:28:00.080 Who?

00:28:00.840 And it's, it's a, Elon Musk did this.

00:28:02.640 I believe it was with, um, I don't remember which journalist he did it with.

00:28:05.700 Oh, I think it was with a BBC guy.

00:28:08.380 BBC maybe?

00:28:09.200 Okay.

00:28:09.400 BBC.

00:28:10.220 Maybe.

00:28:10.660 Yeah.

00:28:11.000 Just refuse to accept the assumptions baked into the question, which again, I don't know

00:28:15.860 much about Pierre Polovelet, uh, in his politics, but I sure do like his ability

00:28:20.420 of, of logic and rhetoric right here on display.

00:28:23.260 Can I add something?

00:28:24.120 The, the, the, the, the prop of the, uh, apple is actually incredibly powerful because

00:28:31.480 it reminds me, and this might be the first time that someone draws an analogy between

00:28:35.820 that prop and spaghetti Westerns of the 1960s.

00:28:39.480 If you remember Clint Eastwood in the sixties, I didn't even speak English then.

00:28:43.140 I was a young boy in Lebanon.

00:28:44.720 I, Arabic was my mother tongue, but then Clint Eastwood comes into a town.

00:28:49.220 He's always got that little small cigar, right?

00:28:52.220 Well, that small cigar said a lot, right?

00:28:55.600 Clint Eastwood didn't have to say much.

00:28:57.680 He just had to kind of show up and do the little cigar thing.

00:29:01.340 And I would say, I want to be that guy when I grow up.

00:29:03.840 So that's what Pierre Polovelet invoked, right?

00:29:07.040 Just very calm, very cool and biting the apple.

00:29:10.200 And that's how you get people.

00:29:11.960 As you said, there is all sorts of ways of having powerful rhetoric.

00:29:15.500 And in this case, the apple spoke a lot.

00:29:19.600 Oh, I think you're exactly right.

00:29:21.440 I don't even, casual, um, cool.

00:29:24.700 He's got his sunglasses in the same hand as the apple effortless, um, as he thinks through

00:29:30.180 this.

00:29:30.480 And, uh, and, and then by the way, posit the apple and the casualness of eating that

00:29:35.020 apple as you intellectually destroy another human being with simple Socratic questions

00:29:38.720 with the nervous laughter of the reporter, constant nervous laughter that he tries to guys in

00:29:45.240 some like arrogance or condescension, but it's really, it's really paper thin.

00:29:49.360 You know, it's not, he doesn't, you can see he doesn't even believe it.

00:29:52.500 Why do you see it?

00:29:53.560 And I see it, but all of the progressives don't, what is it in our module in our brain

00:29:59.460 that allows us to interpret these cues accurately, but they can't.

00:30:03.320 Can you help me with that, that, with that fancy lawyer?

00:30:06.420 Well, let's first start with this.

00:30:09.420 Are we accurate?

00:30:10.280 You always have to start there.

00:30:11.580 So if the other side sees that interaction and maybe they see condescension and arrogance

00:30:15.520 in, in Pierre, I really can't do it, but if, um, if Paulie F in, they, they don't see

00:30:23.340 the condescension in insecurity in the reporter, we first have to start with, are we accurate?

00:30:28.040 Of course we believe we are, or we wouldn't hold the opinion.

00:30:30.280 Um, I think I, I don't, I don't know.

00:30:37.140 I truly do believe that self-awareness is the key to wisdom.

00:30:40.280 And that's why you hear me do this.

00:30:41.920 I don't check my premises or look in the mirror because I'm a navel gazer or I'm insecure.

00:30:48.600 I do it because I believe self-awareness is the grounding or the first step to wisdom.

00:30:53.560 Like you have to start with knowing yourself.

00:30:56.980 And so I know how I would react.

00:30:59.980 The Delphic maxim, know thyself has survived thousands of years, right?

00:31:05.260 It's just two words, know thyself.

00:31:07.780 That's why I always tell people, if you've got a self-help guru, who's giving you all

00:31:12.580 sorts of very, very broad, you know, uh, prescriptions to life with all sorts of specificity.

00:31:19.700 He, he's, he's a peddler of BS, right?

00:31:22.020 Because just know thyself has stood the test of time to your point.

00:31:27.040 And you're exactly right.

00:31:28.440 That's the start of wisdom spot on.

00:31:31.140 So what do you do when you're insecure?

00:31:32.780 You do a fake laughter.

00:31:34.440 That's what Kamala Harris did. 1.00

00:31:35.780 And so I don't know why they don't see it.

00:31:37.460 I don't know.

00:31:38.080 I don't, it's, uh, the opposite of confirmation bias, right?

00:31:42.640 Confirmation bias is, oh, he said something that I already believed.

00:31:46.040 Therefore it's right.

00:31:47.000 And so the left looks at that scenario and says, um, Pierre Poliev, he is, um, he is the

00:32:01.740 totalitarian. 0.99

00:32:02.660 He is the arrogant one. 0.98

00:32:03.780 And so the, here's the humble reporter, simply speaking truth to power. 0.97

00:32:07.220 And of course, all of his assumptions are correct.

00:32:09.380 Of course, there's people saying you're an ideologue.

00:32:11.520 Of course, there's people saying you're a populist.

00:32:13.180 I don't know.

00:32:13.940 I don't think they know themselves.

00:32:14.980 No, I think, but just to add to your point, I think that, so if I'm a progressive and

00:32:19.640 I see that interaction, my mind and my senses completely shut out that nervous laugh of

00:32:26.680 the reporter.

00:32:27.580 All I see screaming at me is the next Hitler, right? 0.90

00:32:31.880 Because he is conservative.

00:32:33.780 Therefore, if he's conservative, he's probably going to round up all the indigenous people 1.00

00:32:38.780 and the trans people.

00:32:39.960 And so that's screaming at me.

00:32:41.760 So I can't, my senses can't even pick up the condescension that you're speaking of

00:32:46.280 or the arrogance or the insecurity, because there's a much louder scream coming at me.

00:32:51.620 It's called the label of conservative.

00:32:54.080 So maybe that's why they don't see what we see.

00:32:57.800 I think that's right.

00:32:59.200 I think this, this last topic I want to ask you about ties it together.

00:33:02.240 So if there is a theme to you and I listening to Donald Trump today, the cultural re-pivot

00:33:08.900 of even Facebook, um, and then bringing in what we're talking about with the UK grooming

00:33:14.260 gangs and so forth, it's, it's dealing with cultures and, you know, knowing yourself, hating 0.74

00:33:19.440 yourself versus, you know, knowing yourself and understanding your role in human history

00:33:24.180 and not, not taking on these other cultures because you believe there's something wrong

00:33:28.680 with yourself, Joe Biden gave away, I don't know what it ended up being.

00:33:33.060 Was it two dozen or so presidential medal of freedoms?

00:33:36.000 And, you know, it was Denzel Washington was included.

00:33:39.120 Lionel Messi, your guy, your guy, Lionel Messi got one.

00:33:42.680 Um, yeah.

00:33:44.420 But he didn't show up to it.

00:33:45.900 But George Soros, he didn't show up.

00:33:48.320 Yeah, I know.

00:33:49.000 I don't know why.

00:33:49.700 Uh, but, uh, George Soros got one.

00:33:53.160 And I don't think there's ever been a better historical figure that illustrates the hatred

00:33:56.880 of Western civilization and the funding of its dismantling than George Soros.

00:34:00.840 And for that, by the current modern day American left embodied by Joe Biden, he gets the presidential

00:34:06.800 medal of freedom.

00:34:08.540 It's unbelievable.

00:34:09.500 And as did Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:34:11.480 So, I mean, imagine a world where Hillary Clinton and George Soros are lauded as bastions

00:34:19.200 of freedom, but Elon Musk is completely ignored because, you know, he's a billionaire guy who

00:34:25.780 meddles in other people's affairs.

00:34:27.720 So when Bill Gates medals, good.

00:34:30.260 When George Soros medals, good.

00:34:32.380 When Mark Zuckerberg medals, good. 0.79

00:34:34.740 When Elon does, he must be some sort of pro-apartheid monster from South Africa. 0.95

00:34:40.360 It's absolutely insane. 1.00

00:34:41.780 It's so hypocritical. 0.99

00:34:42.920 It's so dishonest. 0.96

00:34:44.000 But hopefully we're going to turn that ship around, Will.

00:34:48.120 I think there is a potential.

00:34:49.640 Let me ask that as we, as we end, because it'll, it'll tie to Facebook.

00:34:53.040 It does feel like a golden age in a bit, Dr. Sad.

00:34:56.140 It does.

00:34:56.920 Um, or at least on the doorstep of a potential golden age, because it feels like there is

00:35:01.240 a cultural shift in America.

00:35:02.420 Forget the leadership change for a moment.

00:35:04.220 The leadership change is a reflection of a cultural change in America.

00:35:07.460 And the question is, have we, and can we shift to moving away from self-hatred of Western

00:35:13.540 civilization and the exalted place of the United States of America?

00:35:16.420 Can we do that?

00:35:17.880 Is Facebook really recognizing this cultural shift?

00:35:21.060 Are all these corporate CEOs or are they just going, oh, you know what?

00:35:25.260 The mogul on the ski hill currently reads as follows.

00:35:28.160 And we need to jump down a few notches on the Donald Trump moguls.

00:35:32.000 Yeah, so, uh, to your point, I've, I've often been asked, do you think that now that Donald

00:35:38.300 Trump has gotten his second term, we're done with woke stuff?

00:35:41.600 And my answer is an emphatic no.

00:35:44.620 Is there, is there reason to celebrate orgiastically?

00:35:48.140 Absolutely.

00:35:48.900 Because the, the, the alternative would have been disastrous, but it took 50 to a hundred

00:35:53.600 years for all of these parasitic ideas and suicidal empathy and these reflex of self-hatred

00:36:00.860 to pro, to be promulgated into every nook and cranny of our society.

00:36:05.500 So it's, it's going to take a lot more than just Donald Trump for the next four years to

00:36:10.880 completely eradicate this.

00:36:12.480 So don't be complacent.

00:36:13.840 Yes.

00:36:14.340 Celebrate for a moment or two on, on January 20th, but there's a lot more work to be done

00:36:19.820 to completely eradicate this nonsense.

00:36:22.360 Hopefully it won't be 50 to a hundred years, but it will be a lot more than just one term

00:36:27.060 of Donald Trump.

00:36:29.160 All right.

00:36:29.660 I know your fingers are itching to get back to X and go after Piers Morgan.

00:36:34.040 So I'm going to let him go, but you listening at home, watching on YouTube and Facebook

00:36:38.440 need to know that he's already written the parasitic mind, this new book, which is, it's

00:36:42.060 not just the centerpiece of the conversation we've had here today, but I think the centerpiece

00:36:45.020 of a lot of what's happening.

00:36:46.600 And we just hit five new stories, including the press conference day by Donald Trump that I

00:36:51.320 do think at a deep level is tied to the idea of suicidal empathy.

00:36:54.640 The title of his upcoming book, it is visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood

00:36:58.840 University.

00:36:59.300 Dr. Gad Saad.

00:37:00.340 Always love talking to you, Gad.

00:37:01.480 Thank you so much.

00:37:02.080 Thank you, sir.

00:37:02.560 Thank you, Will.

00:37:03.120 Cheers.

00:37:03.400 Take care.

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The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - January 09, 2025

The Suicidal Empathy of the West, British Insanity, and Justin Trudeau (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_781)

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