The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - September 27, 2025


The Untold Angle of Charlie Kirk’s Assassination (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_888)


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43 minutes

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638

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Dr. Godside is a visiting scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi, and was one of the first guest on Jemele's show before Charlie's untimely and tragic death.

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00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, back by popular demand, Dr. Godside is a visiting scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi.
00:00:10.600 Y'all told me y'all want him back. One of our most popular interviews the first time. So y'all help me welcome Dr. Godside.
00:00:17.000 So good to be with you. I was so happy to see you last time around. Let's continue the tango.
00:00:22.300 Yes, yes. It was such an incredible interview. Your insight is impeccable. And when we had the interview that we put out on my channel before the tragedy that happened to Charlie.
00:00:35.680 And as soon as the tragedy happened, you know, I'm looking on the Internet and I see everybody giving commentary and I saw your commentary and I said,
00:00:42.940 I got to have him back to talk about this because it's very important for sound minded people to have sound minded conversations about what really matters when it comes to Charlie's life, when it comes to his legacy after his death.
00:00:57.000 And so that's one of the reasons why the most the biggest reason why I want to bring you on.
00:01:01.480 But but, doctor, can you explain how you feel? Because you had a chance to meet Charlie.
00:01:07.620 You know, you were on Charlie's show. He interviewed you. Can you talk about just your experience with Charlie and your thoughts on the on the tragedy?
00:01:14.960 Well, I'll start with the personal level. I mean, look, I think millions of people are grieving Charlie who haven't met him because he exudes a positivity.
00:01:24.480 He exudes all that you would think are the great ideals of the American spirit.
00:01:29.520 But now imagine if you do know Charlie, you're only going to appreciate and love him more.
00:01:34.300 I knew him. Well, he was a friend. He's he's invited me many times on his show.
00:01:39.260 He's been on my show. We've met in person. We actually met in Mar-a-Lago last year.
00:01:45.680 I was invited to a mega event, make education great again at Mar-a-Lago.
00:01:51.260 We met up there. He invited me to Turning Point USA America Fest, where I give a talk on how to live a happy life.
00:01:59.040 So the guy is a gem overall. So it's not. So to me, it was doubly angering because I would have been just as angry if I didn't know him.
00:02:09.180 But to actually know him is to love him. And so I got to tell you, I was consumed.
00:02:14.640 I still am consumed. Of course, time helps a bit, but I'm just floating on a dark cloud of rage.
00:02:21.060 I can't believe that a 22 year old guy woke up. I'm talking about the alleged assassin and said, you know, I've got all these opportunities.
00:02:30.060 Right. He's a student. He's doing well. But of all the possibilities of things that I could do with my life, here is the best one.
00:02:40.340 Let me go and kill this guy because he says things that I disagree with. It is so horrifying. It is so dangerous.
00:02:48.540 And if we don't quell that reflex, that it is perfectly permissible to those who say things that are dangerous, we're going to go down a dark alley from which I escaped in Lebanon in 1975.
00:03:00.740 I couldn't agree with you more. It's perplexing to me that because there's many people that I despise what they say.
00:03:12.620 Right. I mean, they annoy the living daylights. I want to throw my phone out of the window and run it over when some people speak because I think they're just insufferable.
00:03:21.900 However, I have never in my life thought I want to harm this person, fight this person, do anything to this person.
00:03:28.460 I just turn them off. I just don't have to listen. It's not like I'm forced to have it in my eardrum every day.
00:03:35.220 I just don't have to. The kid could have just not watched Charlie Kirk. The kid didn't even go to the university.
00:03:40.940 He could have just not have traveled three hours or so or two hours, three hours to go to the event anyway.
00:03:48.360 He can block and say, I'm not interested on Instagram when he see Charlie Kirk of conservative content.
00:03:53.420 And it's a shame. But there's a bigger issue here that I feel like people are missing.
00:03:59.920 One, because others are focusing on conspiracy theory, which is insane to me at this point.
00:04:04.400 I mean, Charlie haven't been buried yet. And there is all these conspiracies out here.
00:04:09.540 And then others are drawing into other narratives like the Jews and all kind of the stuff, but not focusing on the mental illness and cult like behavior of some of these most violent people that I think, doctor, we've taken for granted.
00:04:25.800 I used to go to campuses with no security and we just didn't think they we thought they were lunatics enough to turn the table over and slap your products off the table and maybe cuss at you and spit.
00:04:36.860 Right. We never thought they would be killers. But there's something bigger going on.
00:04:42.080 Indeed. Look, look, I, you know, I've been doing this for a long time and regrettably, I've had to have oftentimes big security details.
00:04:49.760 And I'll just give you one example from the recent past.
00:04:52.280 I went to Los Angeles to the Sabin Theater, very famous theater to receive an award from a Jewish organization that was giving me an award for all of my contributions to the fight for the Jewish people and so on.
00:05:08.960 And I was this was a Jewish event. Right. So I wasn't going to an Antifa riot.
00:05:14.680 This was a Jewish event. And I had to have U.S. marshals and Israeli special force securities around.
00:05:23.920 But this was in L.A. This wasn't in Yemen. It wasn't in Pakistan. It wasn't in Raqqa, Syria.
00:05:30.920 It was in L.A. at a Jewish event. I'm Jewish. Why do I have to be surrounded by so many?
00:05:38.340 I mean, there was even a point. So the gentleman, the U.S. marshal who was with me was just a massive mountain of a man.
00:05:45.460 And of course, he's armed. And at one point, my son walks into the green room and the guy just goes sort of aggressively towards him to keep him away from me, not knowing that this is my son.
00:05:59.220 That tells you something. Right. 10, 15, 20 years ago, a professor who's going to go and speak about things like the importance of freedom of speech would not need a whole militia protecting him in L.A.
00:06:11.980 But that's the world we live in. It's tragic. And if people don't, you know, quickly wake up, it's very, very easy to lose our freedoms.
00:06:20.020 I'm sure you know this quote. I don't have it in front of me, but it's from Ronald Reagan, where he says that in every generation, you have to be attentive because they are the enemies of freedom that are always looking to make you lose all your freedom.
00:06:34.720 So it's not as though you win the battle for freedom and then you could rest forevermore.
00:06:39.240 For every generation, you have to fight again for your freedoms. I hope that we can internalize Ronald Reagan's message.
00:06:46.700 Yes, I'm very hopeful that we do that moving forward. I mean, this this maniac was a once in a generation maniac. Right.
00:06:55.420 And you see every so often somebody's willing to assassinate a political figure and ruin their entire lives.
00:07:02.820 And when I looked at some of the messages that were shipped back and forth between him and the roommate, it was zero remorse for Charlie Kirk.
00:07:11.160 I mean, not one instance where he thought to himself like, dang, I shouldn't have done it.
00:07:15.940 He only thought about I don't want to get caught. I have my own opportunity.
00:07:20.560 I want to save me and I want to save the roommate who is his girlfriend, boyfriend or whatever they're doing.
00:07:25.120 And he wanted to save that person and say, delete the message. Don't talk to the media.
00:07:29.880 I mean, he had not one iota of empathy for Charlie Kirk.
00:07:33.320 And the problem is, is that all of this is over a lie.
00:07:39.140 Charlie Kirk being hateful is a lie. Charlie Kirk being racist and a bigot and it's a lie.
00:07:45.940 What are your thoughts on that? What's causing these people's brains?
00:07:50.040 Like, like, is it the media or is it upbringing or is it just the natural affections of human beings to just be hypnotized with hatred and evilness because they just don't like a person?
00:08:02.100 Well, you're not going to like my answer.
00:08:03.840 I think it's a it's an indelible part of the architecture of the human mind to be potentially parasitized.
00:08:11.320 Now, it is true, as we discussed in my the first time that I came on your show, that there are currently some parasitic ideas that are specific to the moment.
00:08:20.320 Right. So postmodernism and cultural relativism and radical feminism, these are contemporary parasitic ideas.
00:08:28.980 But the capacity for the human mind to be completely zombified is just a regrettable feature of how our brains are designed.
00:08:38.180 Right. Now, some of us have a natural built in immunity against the nonsense, but many people don't.
00:08:43.580 And I don't know if I mentioned this last time around when I drew the analogy with the Salem witches.
00:08:49.040 Did we talk about this last time? Maybe we did, but I'll just repeat it.
00:08:52.600 Look, a couple of hundred years ago, it was totally reasonable to the people who lived in Salem, Massachusetts to say that, look, I think Linda's acting suspiciously.
00:09:01.020 I think she's a witch. Why don't we throw her in the lake? And if she ends up swimming, that proves that she is a witch.
00:09:06.660 So we'll burn her at the stake. And if she drowns, oops, I guess we were wrong.
00:09:10.040 Now, it's not as though those were quacks, like the whole village actually believed that.
00:09:14.820 Right. So so I guess the bigger challenge is to know which of us is born with the inoculation against this nonsense.
00:09:24.260 But although even if you're born with the proclivity to be parasitized, I'd like to think that there is a way we can give you a mind vaccine to try to protect you against this nonsense.
00:09:35.240 One possibility would be precisely to talk to people with whom you disagree.
00:09:40.560 Right. Look, I'm drawing you a great analogy.
00:09:44.160 And I'm almost certain I didn't mention this last time I was on the show.
00:09:47.100 So in evolutionary medicine, there's something called the hygiene hypothesis, which basically says that if you want, for example, children to grow up not having autoimmune diseases,
00:09:59.080 you need to have their immune system triggered so that it can optimally function.
00:10:04.520 So, for example, kids who grow up with a lot of pet dander who grew up on farms are much less likely to have asthma than kids who grow up in very sterile environments.
00:10:16.600 Why? Because the immune system, in order to maximally build a response, it needs to be triggered.
00:10:23.180 It needs to face stressors. Now, how do I draw the analogy between that two ideas?
00:10:28.120 You can see how. Well, our brain is supposed to be exposed to opposing ideas.
00:10:34.040 That's how I become a better thinker, because I have to then predict what are going to be your responses to my positions so I can build better arguments.
00:10:42.740 But imagine this guy, the 22-year-old alleged assassin.
00:10:46.500 He goes down deep, deep. He does a deep dive into whatever, what was it called? Discord and Reddit and all this stuff.
00:10:53.920 Everybody is amplifying his paranoia. Everybody's amplifying his delusion.
00:10:58.980 So there is no allergen, in this case, an opposing idea.
00:11:04.240 There is no Gadsad saying, hey, wait a minute, Imbissal, what about this?
00:11:09.860 In which case it might snap him out of his delusion.
00:11:13.520 And so I think that's why the loss of Charlie is so big, because that's exactly what he was doing.
00:11:20.940 He was the allergen going out there into the campus and saying, hey, prove me wrong.
00:11:25.940 Talk to me. I'm not going to beat you up. You're not going to beat me up.
00:11:28.980 I have a position. You have yours. Maybe I'll learn something from you.
00:11:32.360 And that's what's dangerous, because people say we can't have dialogue.
00:11:37.080 Well, guess what? If you don't have dialogue today, you'll have violence in Lebanon tomorrow.
00:11:43.700 I couldn't agree with you more.
00:11:45.500 I just I've been to campus and I talk to these people and some of them are just out of their minds.
00:11:49.580 And there are some people who are reasonable.
00:11:51.360 And unfortunately, well, it's a it's a hard, I could say, survey to take because not everybody who is reasonable will even come to the mic anyway.
00:12:03.020 So and the people who want confrontation or maybe unreasonable are more likely to come to the mic because they're narcissistic and they want to be engaged.
00:12:10.520 And some of them are doing it because they just want to got you or they want to be on camera.
00:12:13.920 So it's disproportionate, in my opinion, of the population of the university.
00:12:20.240 Right. So I don't think it's a reflection of most students that that are this radical.
00:12:24.320 But the radicals do show up and there are more radicals than there are reasonable.
00:12:28.260 No, no, no, I take that back. It's slightly more reasonable than radical.
00:12:32.400 But the radicals are completely off. And what I've noticed is that when you're talking to them, no matter what you say, they won't receive it.
00:12:40.940 But even if while they're standing in front of you, they I see the light switch go off in their head.
00:12:46.660 I see the light bulb turn on in their head like, dang, he got me.
00:12:49.780 I never thought of that before. But they in front of their peers, they cannot lose the argument.
00:12:54.880 So they get mad. They results of violence or violent rhetoric like yell at you.
00:12:59.700 They cuss you out. They call you names and they flip you off and all this stuff that I've noticed noticed when I was on campus.
00:13:05.220 But then there's a remnant of people, like you said, they have the capacity to be open minded.
00:13:09.600 They come with an idea, but they're ready to listen. And then once you start introducing things to them that they've never heard before, it's like, whoa, hey, maybe my position has changed.
00:13:19.240 And I think that's why Charlie really loved doing events, because he had the crazy ones, which they make the Internet.
00:13:24.840 Right. They go viral. But but Charlie talking for three hours like I would do, you do you do bless a lot of people, but it may not be viral.
00:13:34.980 Right. So, you know, that's that's kind of what I've what I've learned, you know, a little bit being on campus.
00:13:41.320 Well, I'll build on what you just said. So you said about how there are some people who, irrespective of how much evidence you show them, they're not going to budge.
00:13:49.560 So I'm going to link that point to something that happened to me last year on a show.
00:13:54.340 It was a British psychiatrist who had invited me on a show.
00:13:58.480 And I think the last question that he asked me on his show, and it remains the only time that anyone has ever asked me this on a show.
00:14:05.960 He said, you know, Professor Saad, you've been a behavioral scientist, a psychologist for 30 plus years.
00:14:12.980 What is the singular phenomenon that has most surprised you about the human condition?
00:14:18.820 I mean, I don't have the exact words, but that's the gist of what he asked.
00:14:21.760 And so that I have to pause for a second and think about it.
00:14:25.120 And then I after about two, three seconds, I said the inability for most people to change their minds once that position is very anchored.
00:14:35.120 And in a sense, that's a pessimistic perspective because I'm in the business of changing minds, yet I'm the guy who's telling you that it's almost an impossible Herculean effort.
00:14:46.720 There's a great quote that I cite from the parasitic mind from Leon Festinger, who is the pioneer of the theory of cognitive dissonance,
00:14:58.220 where he goes through great length to explain the types of mental gymnastics that people will engage in so that they are never proven to be wrong, right?
00:15:09.940 And I'll just add one other quick point.
00:15:12.420 I actually had this gentleman on my show maybe about a year and a half, two years ago.
00:15:16.720 There's a book that was written by two French psychologists about maybe five, six years ago.
00:15:22.600 The title of the book is The Enigma of Reason, and where they argue that our capacity to reason did not evolve in an evolutionary Darwinian sense.
00:15:33.880 It did not evolve in order to seek some objective truth, but rather it evolved to win arguments.
00:15:42.420 And so that's exactly what you see when you have this hyper-tribalism, right?
00:15:46.900 It's, I don't care how much evidence you show me that, of course, there are innate sex differences between men and women.
00:15:55.060 There are hormonal differences, morphological differences, physiological differences, anatomical differences, behavioral differences.
00:16:03.320 La, la, la. I don't want to hear it.
00:16:05.140 As a matter of fact, the more evidence you show me that is contrary to my position, the stronger I believe in my position.
00:16:14.720 So that's a hell of a tough battle to be in because I wake up every day, and in your own way, you wake up every day trying to shape the discussion.
00:16:25.620 But the reality is that we have to work extra hard just to change a single mind.
00:16:31.080 Right. That's right. Dr. Saad, I noticed that, you know, this to be true, it seems almost as if the targeting of a person's perceived identity is what really messes people up.
00:16:45.440 Right. And I experienced it to a certain degree when I first came out.
00:16:48.580 You know, I was a Democrat and police were bad and Barack Obama was the best president ever.
00:16:53.940 He was a black man, you know, all that stuff.
00:16:55.340 And then people started. But I was open minded.
00:16:57.500 But the first time you hear something and this is this is the crux of whether a person can be successful in life or not.
00:17:03.980 The first time you hear something, I don't think it's a problem that there's a pushback in your mind.
00:17:09.980 Right. There's an adversity there. There's a like, oh, wait a minute.
00:17:13.700 But how you overcome that is the difference maker.
00:17:16.020 Because when I heard something that just completely challenges what I believe, I'm going to say I'm going to give you an example.
00:17:23.140 I do this all the time with the Bible and Christians get mad at me over this stuff.
00:17:28.400 But people have challenged me on the Bible, which forced me to go and look up stuff.
00:17:32.580 And sometimes I have to it reveals things to me that I thought were true or were were not true that begin to be true or vice versa.
00:17:39.840 But just like the writing of the Bible. Right.
00:17:42.640 I used to think that the Bible was, you know, people say it's infallible.
00:17:47.080 Right. The English translation of the Bible is infallible.
00:17:49.140 And I used to hold true to that. The King James Version was the only version I used to hold true to that.
00:17:53.280 And somebody called me out and they said, you don't even know how the Bible is written.
00:17:57.140 So how are you going to say that? And it hit me like, I don't know how it was written.
00:18:02.100 I don't know how they translate it. I don't know the process.
00:18:04.540 I know that it was, but I don't know the process.
00:18:05.780 But when I go look it up, it challenged everything I knew to be true, because then I started realizing, well, wait a minute.
00:18:14.100 Hebrew doesn't directly translate into English.
00:18:16.580 You know, some of the strong Hebrew words are too powerful to encapsulate.
00:18:22.400 You know, the English language is infinite when it comes to encapsulating the mean, the true meaning of Hebrew words.
00:18:29.300 And like in the scripture where the Bible says in the Old Testament, the guy told Moses, I am that I am.
00:18:35.780 Well, they had to write I am that I am in English because it couldn't encapsulate the meaning of I think it's aya, asha, aya.
00:18:44.900 I could be saying it wrong. But that's over 120 English word combinations just for three Hebrew words.
00:18:53.140 And so those things like that make me.
00:18:55.880 But it challenges me at first. And then it makes me open up and say, well, dang, now that I got this new information to me, I feel liberated.
00:19:03.020 I don't feel like it's bad. I have resistance initially, but then I feel liberated.
00:19:10.000 And I just wish that more people would be that way because the entire dramatization and politicization.
00:19:20.140 I'm probably saying that right wrong of our country in the hatred and division that we see all comes from lies and deception.
00:19:29.560 If we actually sat down and looked at how many genders there are scientifically and we came to a consensus, if we sat down and looked at the fact that someone says that Donald Trump is a racist, let's go back.
00:19:41.260 Let's go back together as a look at everything that he said, the body of work in context.
00:19:45.400 No one would have that declaration. And we wouldn't hate each other today.
00:19:50.140 Right. And it's the same thing about about Charlie, like this whole the Charlie situation.
00:19:55.160 You know, you've got a remnant of people that think he's a racist.
00:19:58.760 And this is why they bash him on campus.
00:20:01.380 Yeah. I was going to say two points to make.
00:20:03.740 Number one, and this is not just to give you frivolous compliments.
00:20:07.300 I mean it. I'm someone who's very stingy with my compliments.
00:20:11.780 One of the reasons why I think you're successful only having met you now twice is I exactly think is because you're open minded.
00:20:19.180 Now, to compare you to the the goat of podcasting, who, of course, is a personal friend of mine, Joe Rogan.
00:20:26.680 Joe Rogan is the epitome of being open minded. Right.
00:20:29.660 He sits down. I mean, sometimes he's so open minded that he's prone to, you know, believing in conspiracies.
00:20:36.620 Right. Because, you know, he's like, hey, let's talk about it. Right.
00:20:39.620 But I mean, that's exactly what makes someone appealing in front of the camera.
00:20:44.600 That's why you were able to build a large audience.
00:20:47.420 If every single time you open the camera, either to to have to do a monologue or to invite a guest, you talked over them.
00:20:56.480 You knew more than them. There is nothing that you could learn from them.
00:20:59.860 You probably wouldn't be very compelling to to watch. Right.
00:21:03.480 Look, I know what I know and I know what I don't know.
00:21:06.620 Which makes me actually quite epistemologically humble. Right.
00:21:11.160 When I know something and I have built my arguments tightly.
00:21:15.360 Good luck to you if you want to debate me.
00:21:16.900 But you could ask me, hey, what are your views in terms of the legalization of marijuana?
00:21:22.300 And I'm going to answer you. Hey, that's a great question.
00:21:24.400 I just don't know enough about it to be able to offer you a good, you know, intelligent response that would satisfy you.
00:21:30.880 Well, that builds trust because my saying, hey, I don't know everything already.
00:21:36.740 The audience is drawn in because they say we can trust this guy because he's comfortable enough to say, hey, I know this, but I don't know that.
00:21:43.780 So being open minded, being authentic is the way that you are able to have meaningful conversation.
00:21:50.740 Second, very quick point. At first, it's going to seem as though it's not related to what we're talking about.
00:21:55.160 But it will be. I will I will tie it all back together.
00:21:58.160 So in 1990, I began my Ph.D. at Cornell.
00:22:02.340 So first semester I get there. I'm Lebanese. I speak Arabic.
00:22:06.120 So I start hanging around with a bunch of Arab students.
00:22:10.000 We're always playing soccer together.
00:22:12.780 One day, one of these guys invites.
00:22:15.520 And this is going to be, by the way, this story is told in my forthcoming book, Silicidal Empathy.
00:22:19.660 So you're getting a exclusive right here.
00:22:22.560 So one day, one of these guys says, hey, let's I want to invite you out for coffee.
00:22:28.940 I said, OK, great. So we go to sit down.
00:22:30.940 He's a Muslim.
00:22:33.180 So as we sit down, he's kind of shifting uncomfortably.
00:22:36.660 And he goes, you know, you're very you're such a smart guy.
00:22:41.200 How come you haven't converted to Islam yet?
00:22:43.640 So then I pause. I said, oh, is this what this meeting is about?
00:22:47.840 Because I don't think it's going to go well if you're going to hit me with this kind of stuff.
00:22:51.640 So then he pauses.
00:22:53.100 So he realizes he can't go full frontal on me.
00:22:56.500 So he goes, you know, God.
00:22:58.840 I really I really like you.
00:23:00.780 You're such a cool guy.
00:23:02.260 And then I pause and I smile.
00:23:04.040 I go, you say that with a bit of hesitation.
00:23:07.820 Oh, I know why.
00:23:09.520 It's because I'm Jewish. Right.
00:23:11.740 And so he goes, no, but come on, God, you're not a Jew Jew.
00:23:16.100 I said, no, no, no.
00:23:16.980 I'm a Jew Jew Jew Jew.
00:23:19.160 He goes, no, no, but you're not.
00:23:20.460 You know what I mean?
00:23:21.140 Why am I saying all this story?
00:23:22.760 Because that relates to cognitive dissonance and changing your opinion.
00:23:26.640 He has a vision of what a Jew should be like.
00:23:29.980 He came out of the womb and he was fed.
00:23:33.260 Jews are demons.
00:23:34.280 Jews have horns.
00:23:35.400 Look at their tails.
00:23:36.760 Right.
00:23:37.020 Then he meets this Jew who speaks Arabic like he does, who plays soccer better than all
00:23:43.440 of the Arabs combined, who's really fun and warm and lovely.
00:23:48.520 I can't accept that in my brain because I've been taught that the Jew is the devil.
00:23:54.280 Therefore, he removes the identity.
00:23:57.160 I'm not really a Jew Jew.
00:23:59.260 Like a real Jew Jew would be maybe Steven Spielberg, but not the Arabic guy.
00:24:04.780 That's one of us.
00:24:05.600 You're an Arab, really.
00:24:07.120 And so even when he was exposed to a nice Jew, it couldn't resonate in his brain.
00:24:13.860 He had to change me into being a fake Jew in order for him to love me.
00:24:19.880 That's, you know, the same thing happens to me as a black, you know, in America, the concept
00:24:25.020 of being black in America, which it doesn't even matter anywhere else in the world.
00:24:29.580 Anywhere else in the world, you're either an American or you're not.
00:24:31.740 But in America, somehow we divide each other by race.
00:24:35.280 And to be honest, in the black community is whether you're dark enough because the darker
00:24:39.220 you are, the more black you are, the lighter you are.
00:24:40.980 You're mixed and you're biracial and they kind of shun you.
00:24:43.460 But I experienced a very similar thing is because people, they look at you and they think
00:24:49.020 because you're black, you believe a certain way.
00:24:51.320 Yeah.
00:24:51.420 But so then once you articulate yourself, like, you know, or articulate your points
00:24:55.440 and you go, I don't think like that.
00:24:56.960 Oh, really?
00:24:58.560 Something must be different.
00:25:00.100 Right.
00:25:00.400 I'm different.
00:25:01.540 I'm not like them.
00:25:02.900 And it's like, no, no, we are not all alike, even though we're black.
00:25:06.800 So they don't mean if I'm this, I'm not like a black person, you know, and the black
00:25:10.900 and I'm going to tell you where I get it from.
00:25:12.920 I get it from black people.
00:25:14.560 It's not outside.
00:25:15.400 It's internal.
00:25:16.060 It's like black people look at me and go, oh, you're a sellout.
00:25:19.620 They call me Uncle Tom.
00:25:21.020 You're a boot licker.
00:25:22.160 Like you're selling your soul to the white man.
00:25:25.100 And it's like cognitive dissonance.
00:25:27.820 It's okay to be black and think like this.
00:25:29.820 It's okay to be black and be married to a white woman.
00:25:31.880 It's okay to be black and, you know, dress a different way or want to live in a certain
00:25:35.720 community or be articulate or go to university and get degrees.
00:25:38.780 And, you know, it's okay to be black and be diversified.
00:25:42.420 Well, I mean, think about, forgive me for telling you, think about
00:25:45.960 it's probably the highest form of racism that they're throwing at you because they're saying
00:25:50.700 you don't have personal agency and personal dignity, right?
00:25:56.520 There is no mind that is specific to you.
00:26:00.560 What defines you is that you're just some indistinguishable cog that is connected to other
00:26:07.320 cogs that share your skin, you.
00:26:10.220 And the second that you say, wait a minute, I've got my own ideas.
00:26:13.280 Wait a second.
00:26:13.840 I actually love Thomas Sowell.
00:26:15.540 And then they'll say, what?
00:26:17.100 Thomas Sowell?
00:26:17.820 That's another white man.
00:26:19.260 That's another fake black guy.
00:26:21.400 So now we've got you who's a fake black guy.
00:26:24.140 We got Thomas Sowell who's a fake black guy.
00:26:26.480 So that's, to me, that's the highest form of racism because as you said, it's coming
00:26:30.560 from within.
00:26:32.280 A thousand percent.
00:26:33.380 I couldn't agree with you more.
00:26:34.360 I'm glad you brought that up.
00:26:35.360 I think people will find it very interesting.
00:26:36.820 Um, I want to, I want to talk about this last part and it's the idea that somehow the Jews
00:26:47.280 are responsible for killing, uh, Charlie Kirk, you know, the Jews killed Jesus and the Jews
00:26:55.640 killed Charlie Kirk.
00:26:56.460 So, but, but I, I want you to talk about how we got here.
00:27:00.460 Cause this is the, everything I think about Dr.
00:27:03.360 Dr.
00:27:03.720 Saad is not what people do.
00:27:06.940 It's why they're doing it.
00:27:08.660 So people are blaming the Jews for all this stuff.
00:27:11.020 I get it.
00:27:11.440 I hear them.
00:27:12.040 Okay.
00:27:12.300 We get it.
00:27:12.820 But the question is why are people resorting to this type of behavior?
00:27:18.700 And I know you have a theory of six and I'm gonna let you finish it.
00:27:24.000 Cause I forget how it was.
00:27:25.200 But the theory of six, like six degrees of that is that you fought in everything else
00:27:30.540 that happened in America or in society.
00:27:32.880 So I call it six degrees of Jew.
00:27:35.580 It is a play on six degrees of separation.
00:27:38.880 The idea being that within the world, any two people could be connected in six or fewer
00:27:47.380 steps.
00:27:47.880 And there's actually been scientific studies going back into the seventies that have shown
00:27:51.860 that you can actually link as long as you don't live in a closed society, right?
00:27:56.720 Yeah.
00:27:57.040 You're living in Papua New Guinea or in the Amazon and you're literally detached from the
00:28:02.180 rest of the world.
00:28:03.060 I could link any two people in six degrees or less.
00:28:06.580 And of course that led to the popular game, six degrees of Kevin Bacon.
00:28:11.360 And so I took that and I called it six degrees of Jew, which means I give you any calamity,
00:28:19.140 a Amazonian frog just died in the Amazon.
00:28:23.460 You've got six degrees or less to explain why the Amazonian frog died because of the Jew.
00:28:30.940 Anything, your wife cheated on, on you, Jew, you got diabetes, Jew.
00:28:36.340 And it turns out that people, and sometimes people play the game facetiously.
00:28:41.120 They're just having fun with me.
00:28:42.400 But other times they say, of course, they usually will call me, of course, Jew, we can
00:28:48.560 do it.
00:28:49.240 And then they'll give you the logic.
00:28:50.780 So, and I'll give you a few of these, by the way, we, last time we discussed how I think
00:28:55.240 the, the sharks that, that attacked the tourists in Egypt were Zionist sharks.
00:29:00.900 Did we do that on this show?
00:29:01.880 Was that on that show?
00:29:02.740 Yes, it was.
00:29:03.280 The last one, you mentioned it briefly.
00:29:05.160 Okay.
00:29:06.340 Okay.
00:29:08.440 Your wife cheated on you.
00:29:10.640 All right.
00:29:11.060 Let's link it to the Jews.
00:29:12.220 You ready?
00:29:13.220 Well, she probably watched some porn because she's a beautiful angel.
00:29:17.680 And the only way that she could be pulled into doing something like this is that she probably
00:29:22.200 consumed some porn behind my back.
00:29:24.240 Who controls the pornography industry?
00:29:26.700 It's the Jews.
00:29:28.020 Okay.
00:29:28.560 Let's talk about the assassin of Charlie Kirk.
00:29:31.480 He was with a trans person.
00:29:33.740 Who really spread transgender stuff in the world?
00:29:38.060 It's the Jews.
00:29:38.660 By the way, it doesn't have to be that what they're saying is actually true or not.
00:29:43.840 You just have to put the marker Jew and it becomes real, right?
00:29:47.680 I got diabetes.
00:29:49.080 I don't have diabetes, but let's say I had diabetes.
00:29:51.780 Why do I have diabetes?
00:29:53.320 Because who controls the pharmaceutical industry?
00:29:56.240 The Jews.
00:29:57.160 Why are they not giving us the cure despite the fact that they probably have it?
00:30:01.540 Because then they could make tons of money by having all the insulin revenue come in.
00:30:07.920 What do we know that the Jews love?
00:30:09.620 They love the money.
00:30:10.420 I just proved to you that diabetes still exists as it's the Jew.
00:30:13.900 Now, the more important thing to answer, though, is what causes that reflex?
00:30:20.860 Why throughout history has there been – I mean, all bigotry is bad and disastrous.
00:30:27.180 It's a cancer to the human spirit.
00:30:28.740 But there is something historically unique about Jew hatred, first of all, because it
00:30:33.820 has existed since time immemorial.
00:30:35.940 And I think I do have – I mean, there are several factors, but I'm going to propose
00:30:39.720 one here for you that is rooted very much in psychology.
00:30:44.700 So in psychology, we have this concept called the self-serving bias.
00:30:49.780 The self-serving bias is a means by which people attribute successes and failures in their
00:30:55.880 lives.
00:30:56.220 And this is how it usually works.
00:30:58.380 Successes, I attribute them internally.
00:31:00.620 So why did I do well on the exam?
00:31:03.440 Well, that's because I'm very smart and I studied hard.
00:31:06.320 Why did I do poorly on the exam?
00:31:08.620 Well, that's because Professor Saad is an asshole Jew.
00:31:12.100 So I attribute failures externally and I attribute successes internally.
00:31:18.080 And that's a beautiful ego-defensive strategy, right?
00:31:20.500 It allows me to walk around the world saying I'm a great guy, okay?
00:31:24.060 And now imagine if I have the external cause of all my individual and societal failures.
00:31:32.600 It's the Jew.
00:31:33.720 Why did I never get a break as an actor?
00:31:37.420 Who controls Hollywood?
00:31:38.880 It's not because I suck and I have no talent.
00:31:41.420 It's because it's the Jews that control Hollywood.
00:31:44.460 But now the next question comes, but why should you use the Jews as the culprit?
00:31:49.140 Well, because the Jews – and Thomas Sowell pointed to this.
00:31:52.780 I don't know if you remember when Thomas Sowell was asked, what would it take for people to stop hating the Jews?
00:32:00.540 He paused and said, fail.
00:32:03.600 They have to fail.
00:32:05.360 So look at the dynamics.
00:32:07.060 Jews constitute 0.02% or whatever the number is of people in the world.
00:32:13.640 There's only 15 million Jews in the world, yet they have a quarter of the Nobel Prizes.
00:32:19.860 Everywhere they go, they are a minuscule minority.
00:32:25.020 I'll be short of Israel now.
00:32:26.800 They're a minuscule minority, and they are punching seven weight classes above their weight.
00:32:33.360 That pisses people off.
00:32:35.600 Because when I walk into my class, who is the dean of the medical school?
00:32:40.600 It's the Jew.
00:32:41.740 Who is leading?
00:32:43.000 Who is the guy who is the top music producer?
00:32:46.080 It's the Jew.
00:32:47.460 Well, F the Jews.
00:32:49.040 I'm tired of the Jews.
00:32:50.720 That's why I'm failing.
00:32:51.860 So, yes, there are theological reasons why people hate the Jews.
00:32:57.480 Christians have their reasons why they hate the Jews.
00:33:00.060 Muslims have their reasons why they hate the Jews.
00:33:02.140 But even if you remove those, simply the fact that the Jews are always a small minority and yet overtly successful is always going to breed one.
00:33:13.160 We know envy, right?
00:33:14.760 There are seven deadly sins of which one is envy.
00:33:17.820 We know in the Bible, in the Ten Commandments, we've got do not covet, right?
00:33:22.040 So, I don't like seeing that asshole Jew next to me always being successful.
00:33:26.300 So, you put all that mix together, and it becomes easy for people to say, oh, Charlie Kirk, he was killed by the Jews.
00:33:34.060 Yeah, that's interesting.
00:33:35.400 I see people saying it.
00:33:37.980 It's crazy to me.
00:33:38.640 I'm like, how do you get a guy that confessed to his father who turned him in, who also, there's other witnesses, because he actually, him and his father went together to turn him in to the sheriff, who was his neighbor, that convinced him.
00:33:53.820 I guess the sheriff came in the house, and this was in the indictment.
00:33:56.880 The sheriff came to the house and sat down on the couch, and it convinced him, hey, turn yourself in.
00:34:00.940 Give all the evidence over, and that, and then you have text messages from the roommate, then you have a guy writing stuff on bullets, and then you have him on video.
00:34:09.060 He came to the scene.
00:34:10.000 He got the gun in his pant leg.
00:34:12.200 Then he shot, and he left, and he's fleeing the scene, jumping off the roof.
00:34:14.800 People got video of him running from the scene.
00:34:16.660 I mean, you have every ounce of evidence, and then his Discord channel and conversations with the roommate matches exactly what he physically did by throwing the gun into the bushes and, you know, wrapped in a black tape.
00:34:28.000 All that stuff matches, and how that jumped.
00:34:30.940 To Israel is insane to me, and I know that there were people who believed that Charlie had, which I think is the craziest, most ridiculous thing ever.
00:34:41.120 I think that Charlie may have been upset about a few things, right?
00:34:45.880 I think he may have been upset about Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:34:48.500 He may have disagreed with some of the ways that Benjamin Netanyahu did things.
00:34:52.080 Maybe the way he communicated, or lack thereof.
00:34:54.560 He may have been upset about a few things, but it never occurred to me or anybody else that had ever seen Charlie or knew Charlie that somehow he was going to turn against Israel.
00:35:04.460 Like, all the beautiful things he said.
00:35:07.060 I mean, literally, the Zionist goat himself.
00:35:11.340 I mean, he was literally whooping people across the aisle and telling the truth.
00:35:15.560 That's undeniable facts.
00:35:16.820 It's not his opinion.
00:35:17.640 He was just fact-based, laying it out there his entire career.
00:35:21.480 And all of a sudden, because he, you know, didn't like something, and Netanyahu did, or he felt a little pressure from donors, which I understand, because Tucker Carson speaking on stage made me feel some type of way, right?
00:35:33.200 I was like, wow, why is he here?
00:35:34.980 And then he didn't, you know, after his fallout.
00:35:37.360 Not before.
00:35:38.000 Tucker Carson is the man.
00:35:39.000 Before, then he started getting crazy.
00:35:40.440 And then some other people that were on stage.
00:35:43.180 So I can kind of see why that could have been a conflict there.
00:35:45.920 But I don't think that Charlie at all was, like, turning on Israel.
00:35:52.300 I mean, yeah, I mean, I actually, I mean, just from personal anecdotes, it's the exact opposite.
00:35:59.420 I know that at one point when some folks were going around, you know, angry at Charlie, Jewish folks who were angry at Charlie for not having reacted, you know, as vehemently in support of something that they wanted and started accusing him of being anti-Israel and anti-Jewish.
00:36:18.840 He was very upset that both he, and I think it was his producer, off air, intimated, you know, what do you think?
00:36:27.600 Could you, like, you know, what are your thoughts on that?
00:36:30.220 And then, so if I remember correctly, I had gone out and put out a post saying, hey, guys, cut it out.
00:36:36.600 Stop it.
00:36:36.980 So Charlie was genuinely hurt that people were not, were doubting of his love towards the Jewish people in general and Israel in particular.
00:36:48.640 So it's exactly the opposite of what people are accusing him of right now that I saw in my personal interaction.
00:36:56.300 So it's just, it's just bullshit.
00:36:57.600 And what pisses me off is that, man, it hasn't, it's been a week actually just now.
00:37:03.240 It's been exactly right now.
00:37:04.900 It's about a week that it's happened.
00:37:06.840 Can't we give the guy a bit of a break?
00:37:09.760 Can't we just honor his memory before we start all the shenanigans?
00:37:15.220 But that just shows you the darkness of the human heart.
00:37:17.840 I mean, which I don't know if we were going to talk about this.
00:37:19.740 Just some of the reactions that people have had.
00:37:22.540 I think you mentioned earlier, there are a lot of people that you know that hold positions that you hate.
00:37:27.380 I'm sure you don't sit there doing with voodoo dolls trying to kill them, right?
00:37:31.860 I mean, I have guys who send me death threats.
00:37:34.700 And I genuinely, not because I'm the Buddha, I genuinely never thought I hope they die of cancer.
00:37:41.260 It's just not part of my makeup.
00:37:43.060 I mean, yes, if you're going to attack me to try to kill me, then I'm going to be violent with you in return.
00:37:48.620 But it's not in my makeup to wish you ill, despite the fact that I'm, as you said, despise every single position you take.
00:37:56.280 There is this Egyptian comic.
00:37:57.800 I don't know if you know him, Bassem Yusuf.
00:38:00.440 Apparently, people say that we look alike.
00:38:03.460 I don't think so.
00:38:04.180 I think I'm much better looking than he is.
00:38:06.080 And certainly a hell of a lot smarter.
00:38:08.700 But in any case, Bassem is someone that the second that I see him, I go into sort of a catatonic shock, the extent to which I find him vile and grotesque.
00:38:21.460 I don't wish him ill.
00:38:22.920 I don't want him harmed.
00:38:24.760 I want to beat him with better ideas.
00:38:27.180 So there is nothing wrong with you hating someone's ideas, but celebrating the fact that he no longer exists and two children are going to go to their mother and say,
00:38:37.380 Hey, what, what time is daddy coming home?
00:38:39.680 Man, you're a demon.
00:38:41.740 Yeah.
00:38:42.200 Oh, yeah.
00:38:42.560 You, you, you, it's, it's like, I think about it in reverse, right?
00:38:45.900 There's a lot of politicians on the left that I think are absolutely evil for real.
00:38:50.720 And, and I'm personally, I believe we have evidence that they're evil.
00:38:53.520 They make it up about Charlie.
00:38:54.800 Like we, we, we actually see that they're evil.
00:38:56.600 They, they say evil things.
00:38:57.980 They, they, they call for violence, all kinds of crazy stuff they do.
00:39:01.900 So, but if something happened to Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton or anyone, Ilan Omar, which I cannot stand here.
00:39:09.420 I wish we would deport her.
00:39:11.320 Yes.
00:39:11.920 AOC.
00:39:12.540 Unfortunately, we can't deport AOC at any cost because she was born here.
00:39:15.660 But, you know, if, if anything were to happen to them, you will never catch me opening my mouth or fixing my lips to say anything negative about them.
00:39:25.840 What will happen is I won't say nothing.
00:39:28.560 I'm not going to get on and lie and say, Oh, that she was a good person.
00:39:32.460 You know, I didn't, no, I ain't going to say that.
00:39:34.120 I'm not going to lie, but I definitely won't disparage them.
00:39:36.500 But also what's even worse is when somebody knows you and then go out and leverages your name and reputation for personal gain or to prove a point.
00:39:53.800 Are you thinking of a certain comic?
00:39:57.360 Is that what's happening right here?
00:39:58.860 Yeah.
00:39:59.060 I'm thinking of somebody in the, in the comic industry.
00:40:01.680 I think it's the comic you were talking about.
00:40:03.760 Yes, sir.
00:40:04.440 Or the person, or the person maybe should be considered a comic because of the, the, the just unserious behavior.
00:40:12.160 And, and, and I, and I'll just say this, like, I don't understand the man, Charlie, haven't even been buried yet.
00:40:19.020 And people are just leveraging his name and reputation in order to, I don't know if it's malicious.
00:40:25.080 I don't know if it's by accident.
00:40:26.140 I don't know if it's because it's just sheer sadness that some people's reflection, you know, their, their reflex is to act out in a certain way.
00:40:34.440 But it's just wrong.
00:40:36.240 We need to make the main thing, the main thing.
00:40:38.480 Let's, let's, let's talk about his legacy.
00:40:40.160 And I mean, across the board, now the dummies are going to hate him, but the people who love him, I really wish that I could see a coming together of people who love him, even if they disagree to say, this is about Charlie.
00:40:51.680 This is about his future, his legacy, his children, what he started with the youth at Turning Point USA.
00:40:59.260 It's not about Jews.
00:41:01.740 It's not about any of these other things.
00:41:03.980 It's really, we should be talking about what are we going to do now?
00:41:08.220 What am I going to do on my platform to help with Charlie?
00:41:11.960 If I'm going to mention Charlie's name.
00:41:14.180 And I wish that we would get back to that.
00:41:16.100 I don't know why we can't.
00:41:17.280 Amen.
00:41:17.900 I'll tell you, I'll, I'll, I'll end this part about Charlie with one.
00:41:21.920 I don't think I've ever said this before.
00:41:23.460 So I've got, when we have two children, one of whom is, is a daughter, a teenage daughter.
00:41:31.220 Maybe it's because I'm God sad.
00:41:34.340 Maybe because I'm from the Middle East.
00:41:35.960 The idea of my daughter ever dating anyone is completely an impossible thing that there is no way.
00:41:42.260 And I'm an evolutionary psychologist who should understand mating behavior.
00:41:45.820 It is an impossibility.
00:41:47.620 Every single man on earth who could ever come, I want them eradicated from the face of the earth.
00:41:52.500 But now here comes to Charlie.
00:41:54.320 If I were to ever think of a prototype of a boy that if you brought me home to meet my daughter, I might be able to swallow.
00:42:06.820 It would be somebody that looks like Charlie Kirk because everyone else is going to die.
00:42:11.800 And so that really is the ultimate kind of colorful way I can express what a beautiful soul he was.
00:42:22.060 He is truly someone that fathers can look at him and say, I think he could be good for my daughter.
00:42:29.680 And if you can get a Middle Eastern man to have that thought, you're probably a really good guy.
00:42:36.160 All right.
00:42:36.920 I love that.
00:42:37.620 I love that, Dr. Sine.
00:42:38.700 I think that's a good way to end the discussion, man.
00:42:42.100 I always appreciate you coming on.
00:42:43.780 It's always great.
00:42:45.000 And ladies and gentlemen, just so you know, Dr. Godside, visiting scholar at the Declaration of Independence Sender for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi.
00:42:54.820 So I appreciate you.
00:42:55.880 Can you tell them where to follow you just real quick and how can they get the books?
00:43:00.400 I want them to get these books.
00:43:01.740 I feel like I'm just smarter.
00:43:03.440 Listen to you talk about what's in the book.
00:43:05.740 Oh, you're very good.
00:43:06.460 So there's a whole bunch of books, but the most recent ones are The Parasitic Mind, the yellow one over here, The Parasitic Mind.
00:43:14.420 This one right here is The Sad, S-A-A-D, The Sad Truth About Happiness.
00:43:19.980 It's a book that mixes my personal experiences with ancient wisdoms, with contemporary science to hopefully offer you some prescriptions of how to live a good life.
00:43:32.320 People always say, how come you tackle all these difficult subjects, but you always seem to be having fun.
00:43:37.580 You always have a smile on your face.
00:43:39.320 That's why I wrote that book.
00:43:40.420 My forthcoming book, Suicidal Empathy, should hopefully drop in the next six months.
00:43:44.800 Be on the lookout for that.
00:43:46.180 You can follow me, of course, on X, GAD, G-A-D-S-A-A-D.
00:43:50.400 And I've got a show called The Sad Truth.
00:43:52.700 Check it out.
00:43:54.040 All right.
00:43:54.600 Love it.
00:43:54.980 Love it.
00:43:55.280 God bless you.
00:43:56.060 Thank you so much for coming on.