The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - November 07, 2024


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parasitic ideas dismantling battle populist movements
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Gad Saad
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Donald Trump Joe Rogan Sam Harris Elon Musk Megan Kelly Dr. Sad Gadzad Joe Scarborough Brett Baer JD Vance
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Dr. Gad Saad joins me on The Will Kane Show to discuss his new book, The Parasitic Mind, and his new podcast, The Sad Truth with Dr. Saad. We talk about why the Democratic Party is in crisis, and what it can do to fix it.

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00:00:00.960 The problem last night on MSNBC was white women. 1.00
00:00:03.800 When I woke up this morning on MSNBC, Joe Scarborough was explaining that Latino men are also racist, that black men are also racist and misogynist. 0.98
00:00:12.920 That the problem is that we haven't quadrupled down yet on calling the country mortally flawed and racist. 0.91
00:00:20.520 Let's break that down now with Dr. Gad Saad, friend of the program here on The Will Kane Show.
00:00:24.660 He's a visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood University.
00:00:28.400 He's also the author of The Parasitic Mind and the creator and the host of The Sad Truth with Dr. Saad.
00:00:34.740 Gad, great to see you this morning.
00:00:36.740 You too.
00:00:37.480 What is your...
00:00:38.280 You know, can I tell you something before you even jump into asking a question?
00:00:41.720 Yeah.
00:00:41.900 I thought that I would feel good when I lost a lot of weight during COVID.
00:00:45.940 I feel even better having lost the weight of the looming Kamala Harris taking over. 0.98
00:00:51.100 Why do you feel...
00:00:54.280 You are Canadian.
00:00:56.000 You are a Lebanese immigrant.
00:00:58.740 You are...
00:01:00.980 And because this is a dividing line being drawn today, Dr. Saad, you are educated because this is also being laid at the feet of the uneducated.
00:01:09.760 You are actually many of the things that someone would say should be in a voting coalition for Kamala Harris.
00:01:16.560 At least if not on your ballot spiritually.
00:01:19.220 But why do you feel this liberation today?
00:01:24.160 Yeah, no, thank you.
00:01:24.940 That's a great question.
00:01:25.680 I discussed it actually in X Spaces that I just finished because I'm defending universal ideals, right?
00:01:32.440 So in Chapter 1 of The Parasitic Mind, I talked about the two guiding ideals that shape my life are truth and freedom.
00:01:40.560 And those are universal, right?
00:01:42.580 They're not restricted to people in the United States or to Canada or in Kazakhstan.
00:01:46.820 If you believe in truth and freedom, there is no conceivable pathway by which you would think that Kamala Harris and the Democrats are the party to support.
00:01:57.280 And by the way, since Canada, you know, there's an old expression that says when the United States sneezes, Canada catches a cold.
00:02:03.800 So I may be in a different country, but I'm your neighborly, you know, cousin, so to speak.
00:02:10.240 And therefore, what happens in the United States certainly affects me.
00:02:14.300 You know, I was just having a discussion with Fox's chief political analyst and the host and executive editor of Special Report, Brett Baer, talking about where this can leave Democrats going forward.
00:02:28.360 Can they pick a candidate who is more moderate?
00:02:30.960 The problem with that potentiality are said in my estimation is that the first principles of a democracy, of the things that you want to hold dear, of a free people are exactly the principles that have been jettisoned by Democrats, to your point.
00:02:48.720 And I don't know of many people on the left, even those not running for office.
00:02:55.100 I'm talking about those walking the streets who have shown a fidelity to the concept of free speech, who have shown a fidelity to objective reality, who have shown a fidelity to judging individuals as individuals and not their identities.
00:03:08.320 And I don't know how you can rehabilitate the left simply by picking a different person at the top of the left.
00:03:14.520 Agreed. And actually, I mean, more generally, I think the architecture of the human mind is such that it is profoundly difficult for people to ever admit that they were wrong, especially when it's about an anchored position that defines their personhood, right?
00:03:33.080 So I was recently asked on a show, what is the singular phenomenon that has most surprised me about human behavior and human nature in my 30 plus years as a behavioral scientist?
00:03:43.160 And I paused for a minute and I said the inability for people to change their minds, even if I give you incontrovertible, unassainable tsunami of evidence.
00:03:53.580 So regrettably, never mind that as the Democrats we're talking about here, it's just most people don't have the epistemological humility to say, hey, I was wrong.
00:04:02.600 That's what makes someone like Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly so extraordinary because they did hold different views.
00:04:10.660 One of them didn't like Trump. Now she loves him.
00:04:13.880 Joe Rogan and Elon Musk used to be of the left. Now they're no longer of the left.
00:04:18.060 They were big supporters of Donald Trump. So I think to your point, it's going to be very difficult for most Democrats, whether they be party affiliated or just the guys walking on the street to change their opinions.
00:04:29.880 And because I think part of that, Dr.
00:04:32.020 Sad, is that it's become because it becomes ingrained in your identity.
00:04:36.480 You bring up Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly.
00:04:39.940 I would put myself in this same bucket in that, although never even close to someone who would have been described on the left.
00:04:46.860 I had trouble in the beginning in 2016 coming around to Donald Trump.
00:04:51.680 Now, that doesn't make me unique, but the way that I was able to come around and and my wife and I discussed this last night.
00:04:59.020 She said it's a lack of ego.
00:05:02.300 And that sounds like a huge compliment to yourself or to pat yourself on the back.
00:05:07.320 But what I think that what she's alluding to and what I'm what I'm now suggesting is my identity wasn't wrapped up in my opposition to Donald Trump.
00:05:16.140 My identity wasn't wrapped up in seeing those that disagree with me as racists or Nazis.
00:05:21.660 It was simply trying to understand reality around me.
00:05:25.580 And then perhaps like Joe Rogan or Elon Musk, as you are able to better and more accurately describe and live within reality, you can make adjustments.
00:05:34.540 But for too many people on the left, there's no attempt to even see reality because it's about their perception.
00:05:40.340 I had a guy yesterday on my show, a leftist who told me Donald Trump was racist, and he said perception is reality.
00:05:46.640 And I think that's his problem, that you're living within your perception, and that's why you'll never be able to learn from reality.
00:05:53.680 Yeah, I agree with everything you said.
00:05:56.100 And let me just add a little twist to it.
00:05:57.500 So I inhabit the ecosystem that has the most number of parasitized people.
00:06:02.900 They're called professors.
00:06:03.880 It's the academic ecosystem.
00:06:07.040 And to see my colleagues this morning, so let's say on my personal Facebook page, many of my friends on my personal will be colleagues.
00:06:14.640 And these are colleagues that are not marine biologists.
00:06:18.000 Usually they're colleagues in my discipline, psychology, behavioral science, decision-making, evolutionary psychology.
00:06:24.160 So you would think that if you've spent your entire life studying decision-making, studying persuasion, you might have some sense of introspection.
00:06:33.980 Well, I'm here to tell you that the lunacy that they're exhibiting on my Facebook page is so disheartening.
00:06:42.900 Because not one of them has stood on top of the mountain and said, you know, in retrospect, I may have been wrong about X, Y, Z. 0.95
00:06:50.020 They're just doubling down on how much most Americans are degenerate deplorables. 0.97
00:06:55.440 It's grotesque. 0.97
00:06:56.200 And then here's the reality that they have to confront.
00:07:00.080 So Donald Trump won historic margins for a Republican of black men, 20% of black men.
00:07:08.260 He won, and I don't have to ballpark it because I actually have it here with precision.
00:07:15.080 He won 54% of Latino men.
00:07:20.940 At that, he won 37% of Latino women.
00:07:24.820 He actually won 52% of white women. 0.67
00:07:29.240 He won with Jews.
00:07:31.560 He won New York City in historic proportions.
00:07:34.820 He didn't win it outright, but he won historical numbers for a Republican in New York City, probably in no part by the movement of Jews.
00:07:43.220 At the same time, he won Muslims in Michigan. 0.95
00:07:47.880 If he was, in fact, a racist Nazi, he's the worst racist Nazi in history. 0.97
00:07:54.820 He keeps winning over minorities. 0.99
00:07:56.900 But so here's the point.
00:07:58.880 Remember earlier I said the most difficult thing is for a human mind to change their opinion despite incontrovertible, unassailable evidence?
00:08:09.080 Well, you just gave me all that data.
00:08:11.900 And guess what?
00:08:12.740 I'm now speaking as the prototypical academic.
00:08:16.100 La, la, la.
00:08:17.160 I don't want to hear it. 0.98
00:08:18.240 All that this demonstrates is how satanic white supremacy is in that it is convincing the Jews to vote for the Nazis. 0.99
00:08:28.200 It is convincing the black men to vote for the KKK Grand Wizard. 1.00
00:08:34.660 That's only showing how diabolical he is, Will. 0.99
00:08:37.720 You're not convincing me.
00:08:38.960 So you see, that's what makes it so galling for me because I can't have meaningful conversations with supposed colleagues who are meant to be smart and educated.
00:08:48.020 Do you think it how would you predict the next six months, one year and four years of a political climate in America?
00:09:01.680 It's my guess, Dr. Saad, that the next six months could be quite fever pitched, that it will continue to be the end of our democracy.
00:09:10.280 I do think that Donald Trump's life still remains in jeopardy, especially now that every other mechanism from the legal system to the election process has been exhausted.
00:09:22.000 I think that only heightens probabilities that there's one final thing that can be done to stop Donald Trump.
00:09:27.540 But then my thought is, after a little while of flailing, like a cornered animal or a dying animal who lashes out, then there will be acceptance.
00:09:37.700 There's denial, then there's acceptance.
00:09:40.080 And perhaps a year down the road, sanity will begin to be restored.
00:09:45.240 This is my prediction and I guess perhaps my hope.
00:09:49.500 And perhaps even with a Donald Trump presidency that is a unifying presidency and much different than the one that is predicted, they move on.
00:09:57.540 That's sort of my six-month, one-year, four-year prediction.
00:10:00.480 How do you see the political climate in America?
00:10:02.560 I completely agree.
00:10:03.680 And I almost said the exact same thing to my wife this morning.
00:10:06.360 I said, I mean, literally almost the same words.
00:10:08.920 I said, look, now that all of the mechanisms of getting him out have failed,
00:10:13.700 I really worry that there's only one more thing that can be done, which is let's literally physically go after him.
00:10:20.580 But I do share your optimism that once that insanity kind of wanes, that maybe you might have a very productive mandate.
00:10:29.900 That said, I want to warn against complacency that now that Donald Trump has come in, the battle has won.
00:10:38.640 It took between 50 to 100 years for these parasitic ideas to first be spawned on academic campuses and then proliferate into all nooks and crannies of society.
00:10:49.320 We need to dismantle that.
00:10:51.300 And it's going to take a lot more than a successful term by Donald Trump and then J.D. Vance following for that to be reversed.
00:10:58.800 The battle goes on for the soul of our societies and for our human capacity to reason.
00:11:06.540 That's going to be much longer than the tenure of Donald Trump.
00:11:09.800 You are a philosopher.
00:11:13.480 You're a thinker.
00:11:14.320 I think you are also a political observer and you're also a man of the world.
00:11:17.380 So I don't want to put you in a position where I think you are not versed, but I think that you are versed when I ask you this question.
00:11:24.060 This what is happening in the United States would not be surprised if we placed into the context of things that have happened across the world.
00:11:31.440 Incumbents have lost as inflation has been out of control globally.
00:11:34.360 Change has been on the ballot in almost every country.
00:11:40.000 There has also been a populist movement.
00:11:42.140 Many have described it.
00:11:43.220 Detractors have described it as a far right movement everywhere from Argentina to Hungary.
00:11:48.420 But those movements predate this reelection of Donald Trump.
00:11:53.600 So we've had some chance to see how does the pendulum swing over time?
00:11:57.940 You know, how does it swing in Europe?
00:11:59.760 I'm curious, you know, this is a high moment, but politics is always about a pendulum.
00:12:05.560 Maybe the victorious party overextends themselves in some way.
00:12:10.380 What do you think, if we're looking at the model of Europe, could be the way there is a backlash or a pendulum given some time here in America?
00:12:20.240 Look, I'm optimistic because, to your point, you're right that there are many of these auto-corrective mechanisms that are happening around the world.
00:12:28.420 But again, I don't want people to be complacent.
00:12:30.800 So you have an incoming president who may put a stop to immigration.
00:12:35.660 But that's not enough.
00:12:36.920 You have to deport millions of people.
00:12:39.680 Without doing that, it's like saying, I stopped the fact that I'm 200 pounds overweight, but I'll never do the effort to lose the weight.
00:12:48.040 You have to reverse the trends.
00:12:49.680 So, for example, in Montreal, Canada, I no longer recognize Montreal because everywhere I turn, there are veiled women. 1.00
00:12:57.020 So I've seen more veiled women in a single day in Montreal than I did in my entire life growing up in the Middle East. 0.99
00:13:03.720 That is a problem, right?
00:13:05.440 So even if you were to stop immigration from such countries today, that doesn't mean that you're going to address the fact that there are millions of people in your society that don't share your foundational values.
00:13:15.780 So I am partly optimistic, but a lot more work needs to be done for us to regain our enlightened societies.
00:13:22.460 All right, Dr. Gadzad, it's always great to talk to you.
00:13:27.720 It's great to talk to you on the deeper issues of this day.
00:13:30.920 You can always, if you're listening or watching, go check out his deeper thoughts in full on With the Parasitic Mind.
00:13:37.820 He's got several great books for you to check out.
00:13:40.220 And he as well has The Sad Truth with Dr. Sad, which you can watch and listen to whenever you would like.
00:13:48.960 Really appreciate the conversation, Dr. Gadzad.
00:13:51.820 Thank you, sir.
00:13:52.440 Great to be with you.
00:13:53.060 Cheers.
00:13:54.320 All right.
00:13:54.860 Cheers.