Trudeau's Resignation, Islam, and Suicidal Empathy (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_779)
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Justin Trudeau resigns as Prime Minister of Canada, and we have a special guest, Dr. gad sad, to talk about the reasons why and why not, and why the timing could not have been better. Dr. Gad Sad is a visiting professor and Global Ambassador at Northwood University, and has been a long-time critic of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. He has written several books, including The parasitic mind, and is the author of the international bestseller, The Parasite Mind. He is also the host of the award-winning podcast, The Socially Responsible Prime Minister, and a regular contributor to the CBC.
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there's something in psychology called the self-serving bias which i also talk about in
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the forthcoming book so the self-serving bias is a way that people navigate in terms of attributing
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successes and failures be it in their lives or in the lives of others so most people tend to have
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and that's why it's called self-serving they tend to have a rosy attributional style meaning that
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if i did well on the exam it's because i'm smart and i studied hard if i did poorly on the exam
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is it's because professor sad is an asshole jude right and therefore successes are attributed
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our timing could not be better today professor gad sad is a visiting professor in
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global ambassador at northwood university he is a phenomenal intellect but what i love about him
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and what you will too is the way he puts stuff um he's fearless he is fearless he is a great follow
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on x he's written several books we had him once before to talk about his book on happiness the
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parasitic mind is the book he's most well known for international bestseller i cannot recommend it
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enough it is so important right now and he's got a forthcoming book called suicidal empathy which talks
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about how we're so virtuous and empathetic that you know we we feel sorry for people who are evil
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it's as simple as that we're going to get into it with him he has been a massive critic of justin trudeau
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so the fact that trudeau stepped down today was perfect timing he is a massive critic of um
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suicidal empathy which we'll get into think about that term and what it means i can't wait for you to
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hear this i i absolutely adore this man uh yeah where is his nobel prize i think it's forthcoming if we
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get smart professor gad sat is next gad welcome back this is the perfect day to have you on i know
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you're probably heartbroken by the news that justin trudeau is resigning uh and as soon as he is saying
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as soon as someone is available to replace him uh he'll step down what does that mean in canada like
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how does that process work well first of all he's irreplaceable yes he it takes a unique
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narcissistic degenerate to destroy canada in nine years so i'm unsure that we could ever
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top justin trudeau but uh so the the the liberal party will have to appoint some person to replace
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him because i mean as you know in the canadian system it's parliamentary so you're you're you're
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not really vote you're voting for a party and then the party has a leader and so i'm assuming that
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whomever they decide to replace justin trudeau will be interim leader for you know a couple of months
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and then eventually a federal election will probably be called in spring by whom is well and and the
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conservative guy pierre poiliev uh am i saying that right poiliev i mean if you said it in the
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french way which is probably not the way he says it it's poiliev but yeah okay uh he is running on
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the conservative side right like when does that election you know here in the states you know how
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it works we have an election every four years we know when it's going to be is it different in canada
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and how so uh yeah so i mean all of the machinations and what what's going on with your dog that's
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barking is there is there he's really upset about trudeau he's um he's sad because he liked getting
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free stuff yes exactly uh so i i think the way it'll happen i don't know all of the mechanisms of
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how you'd call the election and so on but the general timeline is that i think by this spring
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there will be a federal election called and then hopefully not only i mean trudeau would be out
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but you also want to get rid of the liberal party now the rumors that i'm hearing is that
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they they may have so few seats given the kind of bloodbath that is likely to happen political bloodbath
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that who knows how many parliamentarian seats they will have after trudeau's out we'll see you can't
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say bloodbath anymore without nancy pelosi running the microphone and saying that's why i said
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political that's why yes yes he's promising violence and a bloodbath that's that is also why the dog is
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barking and i apologize the timing couldn't be better um okay so i i'm gonna play you a little
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bit here uh gad of today's announcement by uh trudeau you know politicians love to do this they love to
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walk out saying we worked and fought for you every day and we did it let's hear what he's claimed go
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ahead and roll that john i've fought for this country for you to strengthen and grow the middle class
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why we rallied to support each other through the pandemic to advance reconciliation to defend free
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trade on this continent to stand strong with ukraine and our democracy and to fight climate change and
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get our economy ready for the future we are at a critical moment in the world he doesn't even sound
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authentic to me he never has but what when you hear that what is your reaction michelle i i can't
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express and i'm someone who has an ease with words i can't express the extent to which i love this guy
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because he possesses all of the most execrable traits that a human being can possess he's he's a
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malignant narcissist he is a megalomaniac he is parasitized by every single parasitic idea that i discuss
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in the parasitic mind so there is no redeeming quality that you can find in this guy uh when it
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comes to the specific things that he says complete hogwash right i mean i'll give an example from my
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personal life the amount of taxes that were stolen from me from the book royalties that were garnered from
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the parasitic mind 99 of which were not generated in canada but canada has a world income proviso whereby
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if i were to make money on mars if i were to go on that first rocket that elon puts out to mars and i
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generate income in mars justin trudeau the quebec and the canadian government would say that's our money
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so when you add up all of the money that was taken from me it was about 58 percent just of my royalties
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right all of which were generated outside of canada right now i would have to work as a professor
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for 10 additional years in order to make up the taxes that were taken from my book royalties
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but he stands up and says hey we've made it better for everyone no what you've done
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is because socialism is a parasitic ponzi scheme you need to take from the few really producing
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canadians so that you could support the rest of the ponzi scheme so yes there are tons of people
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who were including him who were able to go on 83 000 a night holidays that i paid through my book
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royalties by the way in ireland right ireland is not a bastion of great freedom these days but in ireland
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they at least recognize that there is something unique about taxing book royalties and therefore
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there are no taxes on book royalties because that's part of the cultural heritage of a society
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imagine that you could tax my mind my theories my personal experience in lebanon that i write about
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in this book 58 percent of that belongs to justin trudeau so i'm only 42 percent of a human being
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how did he get by with this for so long that's that's one of my curiosities i mean i remember one
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of the first times i i have have a recollection of trudeau he was wearing a t-shirt or a shirt
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that said the future is feminine which is one of those parasitic things you're talking about just
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one of these mantras that somehow seems to make him virtuous but he continued we know about the
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blackface incident um how did he get away with this for so long it's unbelievable so i'm gonna do
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a little i don't know if i've done this the last time that i was on your show imagine that this
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memory stick is the cork of a wine bottle okay so just bear with me there's an arabic expression that
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that what when i translate it obviously most of you don't speak arabic it's getting drunk by simply
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smelling the cork of the wine bottle right what that refers to the fact that you are of such weak
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constituency that you don't actually have to go through the effort of drinking the wine to get
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drunk okay so now let's let me apply this beautiful poetic arabic expression to how we choose our
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leaders right so now i'm going to get drunk michelle by smelling the cork of justin trudeau he's tall
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he has beautiful hair look i'm already getting wobbly are you seeing me you see i'm starting to get
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wobbly right this hard effort of looking at what are the fundamental values that he holds
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that would be too much effort right that's why i refer to most people as regrettably degenerate
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cognitive misers which is a fancy professorial way of me saying cognitive miser is intellectually lazy
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it's hard to think right so it's much better for me to smell look now i'm going to smell
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the cork of donald trump he's disgusting he's gross he's vile he speaks in a cantankerous
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queen's way he's a brawler now i may agree with every single one of donald trump's policies as do
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many of my academic colleagues but that would require effortful cognitive processes much better to
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simply get drunk by the cork of the wine bottle so that explains how we get trudeau for nine years
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oh my gosh i mean that's it's beautifully put i do like that um that analogy very very much as a
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wine drinker uh i prefer to drink the wine actually but it is amazing to me and i i feel like we go
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through this you know you you're an expert in evolutionary psychology so is this this isn't
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new right i mean is this this has been with us from the beginning of time it is i mean there are two
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ways i could answer so number one humans like to use so i'm going to use here a term that was
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originally coined by a gert gigerenz or a german psychologist and his team uh he's in the he was at
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the max planck institute in germany talked about fast and frugal heuristics now what does that mean a
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heuristic is a mental shortcut right fast and frugal heuristic means that it is fastly deployed
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and frugal means it is cognitively effortless to deploy it right so now let's take this principle
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of fast and frugal heuristics and let me apply to the context of justin trudeau or barack obama or
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donald trump using my emotional system to make these judgments is much faster than to engage my cognitive
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system right because because emotions are autonomically deployed right i can easily invoke
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my emotional system and therefore i can arrive at a decision much more quickly if i only apply my
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affective system now the problem with that is that for many situations triggering my affective system makes
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perfect evolutionary sense so for example if i'm walking down a dark alley and i see four young men
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loitering that will trigger my fear-based response now that makes perfect evolutionary sense in that
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context because i've evolved this emotional mechanism that hopefully confers a survival advantage to me
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but if i apply the wrong system at the wrong time so if i invoke my emotional system to choose a president
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or prime minister when i should have been invoking my cognitive system we end up with justin trudeau for
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nine years so yes it is part of our evolutionary heritage to sometimes misfire the incorrect system
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i and it makes me wonder how we overcome that or change that because there aren't a lot of people
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who are willing to put in the work right i mean especially we're getting dumber by the moment
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because things happen so fast via the internet via our phones our apps whatever
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that we prefer that we just look down you know experience the emotions don't think so this seems
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like a turning this ship is is going to be quite difficult what do you see as the the process where
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how does it start i always like to be optimistic that's why you know people call me the happy warrior
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even when i'm writing very difficult things i try to have a you know a twinkle in my eye try to be
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sarcastic try to be humorous which perhaps is even a a defensive coping strategy because you see all the
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insanity if you don't laugh about some of it you'd go crazy you're right i'm afraid to be a bit pessimistic
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in that i i fear that it is an indelible part of the architecture of the human mind to forevermore
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succumb to a lot of these biases so for example uh daniel kahneman and amos tversky two israeli
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psychologists one of whom won the nobel prize in economics and only one won it because the other
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one had already passed away and you can't win a nobel prize posthumously well daniel kahneman's research
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was basically to demonstrate that the human mind has these built-in cognitive biases these these errors
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that it consistently commits now there are evolutionary reasons why these cognitive biases
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exist so i don't think we will ever eradicate some of these faulty ways of thinking or lack of thinking
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but hopefully people like me could be standing on top of the mountain at least reminding you
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that uh beware of these cognitive traps right well and you've been doing that
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one of the things you and you posted recently on x you feel like you've been shouting into the wind
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uh when we saw what happened in new orleans a week ago it's so tragic and this brings me back to
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to two different people but let's start with our good friend justin trudeau after the boston marathon
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bombings um he decided to be empathetic toward the two bombs he's very kind he's very virtuous that way
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john let's go ahead and play that sound from long ago but there is no question um that this happened
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uh because there is someone who feels um completely excluded completely um at war with uh innocence
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at war with a society uh and our approach has to be okay where do those tensions come from
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i mean yes we need to make sure that we're promoting security and we're you know keeping our borders safe
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and and and you know monitoring the kinds of of um you know violent subgroups that happen around
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but we also have to monitor uh and and encourage people uh to not point fingers at each other and lay blame
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for personal ills or societal ills on a specific group whether it be the west or the government or
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or bostonians or or or whatever it is let's stop it right there john it's it's almost too much to take
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um so we'll we'll smile right because we got to be happy my blood pressure just went up 20 points
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thank you oh shoot i'm sorry i apologize you know that he was talking about the sarnaia brothers and and
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you know that they felt excluded in some way but the reason the reason the reason why i had shared
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recently uh that clip is because i was including that quote in my forthcoming book suicidal empathy
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and so that's why it was top of mind even though it had happened you know a decade ago well the fact
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that it happened a decade ago and we're still here a decade later it doesn't take long for these things
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to metastasize exactly right uh look uh so there are several ways i can answer this uh
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there's something in psychology called the self-serving bias which i also talk about in
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the forthcoming book so the self-serving bias is a way that people navigate in terms of attributing
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successes and failures be it in their lives or in the lives of others so most people tend to have
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and that's why it's called self-serving they tend to have a rosy attributional style meaning that if
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i did well on the exam it's because i'm smart and i studied hard if i did poorly on the exam is it's
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because professor sad is an asshole jude right and therefore successes are attributed internally
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failures are attributed externally when i what i argue in suicidal empathy is that progressive castrated
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people like justin trudeau have a unique attributional style whereby the degenerate behaviors
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of others are always attributed internally so the those two brothers did what they did not because
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they had personal agency to read their islamic book and decide that the best outcome would be to put
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those pressure cooker bombs and kill as many kuffar infidels as possible no you turn it inward it's
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probably because we suck in the west yeah it's probably because we didn't create an environment
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that didn't cause them to be marginalized right and therefore by turning other people's orgiastic
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debauchery inward then i'm truly someone who's empathetic hence suicidal empathy
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you know i when joe biden was running for president and i i remember this how many people would say oh
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he's empathetic i love that i'm voting for i'm voting for empathy and it's but i'm so i can't wait for
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your next book to come out i mean everyone should read the parasitic mind but suicidal empathy could
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not be more timely uh it's the same thing like and you heard it so often after october 7th of 2023
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you know it's this is not this is not the fault of the palestinians this is the fault of the jews they
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brought this on themselves they they it's because of what they've done to palestine that that
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palestine just reacted and and now the jews are the horrible people because they're defending
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themselves i mean is that is that the proper uh comparison to what you just talked about i mean
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absolutely in this case you're misdirecting the target of your empathy is the wrong target rather
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than targeting properly the empathy towards the 1200 people who were butchered and so on you talk you
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target your empathy to the ones who committed the act right so right i mean i mean you don't want to
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marginalize the nazis forget about those asshole jews that were burned in the ovens but it's the
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nazis that are really deserving of our empathy because you know not all germans are nazis right
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so by the way i should and i'm going to give two very quick examples of empathy from uh my personal
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experience so let me do that and then i'll come back to okay to a theoretical explanation of
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what suicidal empathy is and i think it was 2015 or 2016 uh every summer we go to newport beach uh
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you know i used to be a professor at uc irvine i have i had family in southern california so it's
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like a second home to us and i taught my children very early in life unlike greta thunberg who pretends
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to be an environmentalist i actually engage in behavior that helps the world even if it's in a
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small way i would walk with my children and try to pick up litter from the beach and i would always
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say look we just picked up 60 pieces of litter which would have otherwise been polluting the beach
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had we not engaged in this small act of of goodness okay so at one point we were sitting at the beach
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and we saw this woman who had this plastic containers with many many cupcakes and she she ate a few and
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then left the remaining cupcakes with the plastic container right now when she's leaving there is a
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garbage pail that she could have just thrown she left it there so i looked and i said excuse me
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you you don't think that maybe you can put this away and she basically at the time i was heavier so
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she called me a fat whatever and she started insulting my son who had long long hair and i
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looked at her and i said you genuinely are a human pig okay and so now why am i saying all this we're
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going to come to empathy in a second okay during that same summer there was a university in southern
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california that was very interested in hiring for for professorship a permanent professorship
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when i now i had posted a clip on my youtube channel where i recounted that story that you know what can
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drive people to engage in such ugly debauchery right i mean just just drop the the the the litter in
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the garbage yeah well when i sat down with the two colleagues at lunch who were very keen on hiring me
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the female colleague because you know women are inherently more empathetic than men looked at me
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in in all seriousness said before we begin our conversation i'd like to discuss a you know something
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that's been weighing on me i said oh go ahead well what is it you know i look serious she goes well i i
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saw your your clip that you posted and i felt very very uncomfortable by you using you know the term
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human pig i said oh i see you felt more uncomfortable by me using using the term human pig than about the
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piggish boorish behavior of the woman who not only had littered not only had called me a fat pig but had
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also attacked my then five-year-old son so my very very big academic cv did not impress her as much as
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me having been non-empathetic through the use of the very non-empathetic term human pig for an actual
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human pig okay so that gives you one story story two which is much shorter a senior administrator at my
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home university unfollowed me on then twitter when i then called her out on that i said oh i couldn't
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help but notice that you unfollowed me what why is that she said that she felt very uncomfortable
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when i called people imbecile on twitter see that's not empathetic professors should not use these types of
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terms like imbecile it hurts people's feelings so when when the person that i call imbecile has been
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attacking me for a week on end with all kinds of defamation and i retort with imbecile that's not
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becoming of a professor she's empathetic i'm just a middle eastern brute see you're the one that's at fault
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because you used a term that made her i love that word uncomfortable you know i'm sure she thought
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you using the word imbecile was dangerous that's another word people like to use is dangerous
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when you as a professor use that term she didn't care about the person going after you for weeks on
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end nor did they care about the fact that i put my life on the line to defend french canadian feminists
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from the dangers of islam that which she's a very strong academic leader who is a feminist
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and is from quebec that didn't impress her as much as the fact that i used the word imbecile
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that was way too much for her she had to unfollow i have to go back to story one real quick so at this
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lunch when she said this to you and you responded which i i just wish i had been there to applaud your
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response publicly and loudly what how did she react to your response
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what how did she react to your response so i i explained the full story which apparently she
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hadn't really watched the full clip uh but she just saw the title which i is still up on my youtube
00:30:07.460
channel but so the fact that i had so she probably just saw the title that i called her human pig so
00:30:14.100
it de-escalated her irate you know level because it maybe seemed justifiable that i would call her
00:30:23.460
human pig so and kind of like okay i'll grant you a pass in that now that you've explained why you
00:30:31.060
committed this linguistic genocide on this otherwise noble woman then okay fine you're okay now i should
00:30:39.900
mention that woman frankly is a genuinely good person like i i really did like her but it speaks
00:30:46.620
to what happens when you are completely parasitized by orgiastic empathy so maybe now i can go back and
00:30:53.420
explain the the theoretical mechanism that drives suicidal empathy well it this is uh these are such great
00:31:02.380
examples of of what you talk about uh in in both the forthcoming book and in uh the current one um
00:31:13.660
here's another post that you put out that i adored imagine sir winston churchill's famous speech to
00:31:21.180
rally britain you know by the land by the sea we will never surrender and now think of the british leaders
00:31:28.220
governing today it only took 80 or so years for this to happen paris how do you say it paris
00:31:37.500
parasitized minds zombified by suicidal empathy have transformed civilization's trajectory save this
00:31:46.940
post i'll book my flight to stockholm at nobel prize i i want to play keir stermer's sound um regarding
00:31:57.100
islamophobia go ahead john can you roll that one now we've seen a devastating rise in islamophobia
00:32:04.060
leaving people feeling fearful and unsafe in their own country i've heard firsthand of women wearing
00:32:11.180
hijab who are too scared to travel by public transport of muslim families being abused as they
00:32:18.460
leave the mosque the surge in islamophobia is simply appalling muslim women and girls disproportionately
00:32:26.140
targeted mosques forced to ramp up security and british muslims questioned as if they are terrorists
00:32:34.460
i do not want britain to be a place where british muslims are not able to be their whole selves
00:32:40.860
where they feel they must hide or tone down who they are for fear of being attached to views that are
00:32:46.940
not their own where they're asked to apologize for the actions of people who do not act in their name
00:32:52.780
our britain is one where the enormous contributions of british muslims are recognized and celebrated
00:33:01.660
their stories heard their lives free from discrimination as leader of the labour party i am indebted to the
00:33:09.980
contributions of muslim members activists and politicians who make our party what it is today
00:33:16.300
okay i think that i think that's plenty john to to uh to exemplify how keir starmer feels about
00:33:25.020
islamophobia in great britain has he addressed uh you know the anti-jewish center the anti-semitism
00:33:32.140
in britain in the same way why is he so focused on islamophobia well so there's a there are several
00:33:39.980
ways to answer this i'll give one uh so our earlier point of how people try to use simplifying heuristics
00:33:48.780
to make sense of the word world the narrative of who is an oppressor and who is oppressed is one that
00:33:58.620
simplifies the world for me now how about we always agree that islam is always victimized and
00:34:08.700
those uppity jews i mean winning 25 percent of all nobel prizes for such a minuscule
00:34:15.500
community they're assholes they're overachievers probably the the the nobel committee is probably
00:34:23.500
run by zionists because what else could explain that those uppity smarmy assholes could be winning
00:34:28.700
so many nobel prizes so jews with their really really mean zionist tanks are attacking helpless
00:34:37.340
children who only have a slingshot that's an easy way for me to see the world there are really mean
00:34:43.500
ogre jews and there is islam which has always been peaceful tolerant and kind and proof of that
00:34:50.780
is that we left lebanon as lebanese jews because we were very very afraid of all of the love that was
00:34:59.500
being pervade on us so our leaving lebanon was a manifestation of our internalized islamophobia
00:35:07.260
as was the case when my grandparents left syria as was the case when muslims exterminated my wife's
00:35:18.060
family in the armenian genocide as was the case when my brother-in-law's parents left alexandria in egypt
00:35:28.860
because of their internalized islamophobia so any pattern that i give you from the past 1400 years
00:35:37.740
even when it involves say the killing of 80 million hindus by muslim conquerors proves that islam is
00:35:48.060
the victim and the other ones are so even when your head is decapitated by the islamic sword of peace
00:35:56.300
it is your head that attacked the sword the sword was the victim now i say this with a tsunami of
00:36:05.980
sarcasm because that's the only way that you could handle that level of parasitic thinking right go back
00:36:14.860
and read what winston churchill said about islam just go back and read it i won't replay it here so
00:36:22.220
something must have happened between the time of winston churchill saying whatever he said about
00:36:28.300
islam and what this guy is saying about islamophobia that's what happens when number one your cognitive
00:36:37.020
system is parasitized hence the parasitic mind and when your emotional system is your is parasitized
00:36:44.700
hence suicidal empathy it's a little terrifying i gotta be honest with you and and i just wonder
00:36:51.980
you know you you you you are a happy warrior uh you you're you're at the mountaintop screaming this
00:36:59.100
it's amazing that people i why don't people want to hear this gad because the reflex is that it is gauche to
00:37:11.260
criticize someone's religion number one right to criticize communism feels okay because that is a
00:37:20.700
socio-political economic ideology and you know if you criticize socialism or communism hey some people
00:37:27.980
like capitalism some people love communism let's debate it that seems okay but as the old adage says
00:37:35.180
never discuss politics never discuss religion so in the west we have been inculcated with the idea
00:37:42.300
that proper people good people empathetic people never criticize someone else's belief system except
00:37:50.380
that the west in a sense violates that because it is perfectly okay to criticize every other religion
00:37:58.460
there is one though that you should never criticize because that religion is just made up of
00:38:04.940
hapless victims by the way the organization of islamic cooperation the oic which is made up of 56
00:38:11.820
countries plus the palestinian territories each of those countries once upon a time once upon a time
00:38:20.780
had zero islam in it but then you close your eyes and you open your eyes and those societies become
00:38:27.340
99 percent 100 islamic how did that happen did every one of those societies only get islamized by the
00:38:36.780
distribution of candy or does the sword of islam have a sword precisely because maybe colonialism maybe
00:38:46.300
supremacist conquering is what led to those societies becoming islamized so we can criticize the jews
00:38:54.460
for their colonialism in israel but it wasn't colonialism when islam conquered 56 countries
00:39:03.020
that's the problem so that as long as the west has this innate reflex to never criticize only one group
00:39:11.420
of people you will lose the battle i still i'm i'm still don't understand it does it have to do with you
00:39:20.220
you know i've heard people say look in the west the united states in israel the entrepreneurial uh
00:39:26.780
spirit the success rate you talk about the nobel laureates the the ambition the uh materialism the
00:39:34.300
success all those things make them more the oppressor if you will or the the successful people you got to blame
00:39:44.220
them because it's the people without all of that and and it's not for want of brain cells i i think it's
00:39:53.260
for want of self-oppression i don't know i don't know this i'm hoping you can steer me but that's why by the
00:39:59.900
way that's why the the uh the islamophilic folks is so we talk we hear islamophilia but islam of it we hear
00:40:09.260
islamophobia but islamophilia is just an orgiastic love of islam right so many people in the west just
00:40:16.940
have a a reflex of all things islamophilic well the reason why those folks go to bed with the leftist
00:40:26.460
progressives is because both agree that there is something wrong inherently with the west right now of
00:40:35.740
course that the leftists don't realize that once you know we get rid of the evil capitalist we get
00:40:42.380
rid of the west you're next on the chopping blocks right they don't know that right i mean that's why
00:40:47.420
queers for palestine could actually be a real thing right i mean it's it's just it's it's difficult to
00:40:54.300
imagine that human beings can be so void of any neuronal activity in their brain right i mean
00:41:00.940
think about just for a second queers for palestine right if i present myself to the world
00:41:09.180
with the first marker being my queerness hey more power to you be queer that's great do you think
00:41:16.140
that you should put your sign and your hashtag behind tel aviv which is one of the most queer
00:41:23.820
friendly places in the world i mean short of san francisco short of new york short of montreal
00:41:29.740
tel aviv is probably one of the global centers of you know being pro queer and so on so if i am queer
00:41:37.180
should i have hashtag tel aviv for queers or should i put all of my marbles on the side of gaza where
00:41:46.540
they have a very very effective conversion therapy it's a gravity-based conversion therapy program
00:41:54.700
right it's a hundred percent guaranteed to cure you of your queerness but that's what happens when
00:42:01.660
your mind is parasitized that's why i use the neuro parasitic framework now let me just explain to
00:42:08.060
your listeners who don't know why i use the term parasitic in in nature the field of parasitology
00:42:15.980
studies the interaction between parasites and their hosts now many parasites don't go to the brain of the
00:42:22.860
the host so for example a tapeworm parasitizes your intestinal tract a neuro parasite though
00:42:30.780
seeks to end up in the host's brain altering its neuronal circuitry to suit its interest so for example
00:42:40.780
a wood cricket abhors water it doesn't want to go into water when it is parasitized by a hair worm
00:42:48.620
the hair worm in order for it to complete its reproductive cycle it needs to get the wood
00:42:54.860
cricket to happily and haplessly jump in water to its suicide and that's exactly what a parasitized
00:43:03.100
wood cricket does it jumps into the water happily committing suicide in the service of the neuro parasite
00:43:11.740
called the hair worm so when i put up a sign says queer for palestine i'm the helpless and hapless
00:43:19.420
wood cricket hence that's why i use the parasitic framework people can't be this stupid can they
00:43:30.220
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people can't be this stupid can they you know it's it's fun i love how incredulous you are and as the
00:45:05.260
author of the parasitic mind who has spent 30 plus years screaming from the top of the mountain i'm just as
00:45:11.980
incredulous as you are right i mean you would think that i have built in an inoculation against being
00:45:17.500
incredulous that okay i get it no that's why every day i can't walk away from twitter or x because i
00:45:25.340
simply can't believe the stuff that people post right and so for example how could it be that when it comes
00:45:34.300
to the issue of the industrial scale level rape of 250 000 children in britain anyone could have
00:45:47.180
the sense of fighting against people who are calling the gang rape of children out how could
00:45:57.100
that be possible right i mean you would think that if there is one issue on which irrespective of your
00:46:03.980
faith irrespective of your gender identity we could all say we could all band together and say gang rape
00:46:12.220
of children that's probably not a good thing no i can go on right now on x and show you a million
00:46:21.260
tweets where people attack me because jeffrey epstein was a jew so why is it that you're focusing on
00:46:30.860
ahmad and muhammad when epstein and by the way professor sad i'm sure that you must have been on epstein
00:46:37.580
island right oh so imagine that people could have such a broken moral compass that we can't come
00:46:45.420
together in calling out the gang rape of children it's unbelievable it it truly is
00:46:55.340
surreal i and in spite of the fact that we can say and we can probably trace this back
00:47:01.100
millennia i feel like we're living in a very upside down world right now more so than when i was
00:47:10.780
growing up maybe it's because i'm wiser and more mature that i'm just seeing it or maybe it really is
00:47:17.180
freaking crazy i mean i i i don't know you what do you see so okay there are there are two parts to
00:47:26.060
answering this question the capacity for the human mind to be parasitized is eternal okay so that part
00:47:36.540
is not specific to today's era but hold on i'm coming to part two so for example there was a time
00:47:43.740
where people thought it was a very good idea you know i think that aunt nancy over there is a witch
00:47:50.540
so here's what we're going to do we're going to throw her into a body of water and if she swims
00:47:56.700
then this proves that she is a witch and of course we'll burn her then and if she drowns then oops i guess
00:48:03.420
we were wrong and nancy wasn't a witch that wasn't a long time ago that was only a couple of centuries
00:48:09.180
ago and we actually thought that that was a really good idea so i can give you another 13 trillion
00:48:14.780
examples of absolute insanity throughout human history so the capacity for human minds to be
00:48:21.820
parasitized by insanity is certainly not specific to this period but to your point michelle the specific
00:48:30.300
parasitic ideas that today have flourished causes it to be a unique moment in human history you follow
00:48:37.900
what i'm saying yes so when you take post-modernism for example post-modernism the reason why i call it
00:48:44.700
the greatest of all idea pathogens the granddaddy of idea pathogens because it is the intellectual
00:48:54.060
terrorism that allows all of the other nonsense to flourish why because post-modernism purports that
00:49:00.700
there are no objective truths other than the one objective truth that there are no objective truths right
00:49:06.620
so therefore if i buy into this idea that there literally is no capital t truth then of course some
00:49:16.140
women could have nine inch penises because there is no truth that i am not bound by this genitalia truth
00:49:24.620
or this chromosome truth or this hormonal truth or this charles darwin truth about the fact that human
00:49:32.540
human human beings come as a sexually reproducing species with two phenotypes called male to female
00:49:39.100
that's why the canadian senate in 2017 had to call professor gad sad and professor jordan peterson to appear
00:49:48.940
and provide expert testimony to the fact that no no there really is such a thing as male and female
00:49:56.060
because until 15 minutes ago the 117 billion people that's that's a real estimate there has been
00:50:02.700
roughly 117 billion people who have existed as homo sapiens throughout human history they seem to be able
00:50:10.860
to very very very accurately navigate through the conundrum of what is male or female that's how
00:50:19.420
male and females were able to reproduce as our ancestors but 15 minutes ago we lost that ability
00:50:27.580
because then and that's why your current i say yours because i'm not american but frankly i should be
00:50:34.860
an honorary american yes you should i agree your thank you your justice your most recent addition to
00:50:43.100
the the the supreme court did not have the epistemological epistemological confidence to give
00:50:50.380
an answer when she was asked by the senator what's your definition of a woman i mean i don't know i'm not
00:50:57.020
a biologist really that's one of the nine people who's going to adjudicate cases involving male and female
00:51:05.980
so that's what happens when human minds are parasitized and frankly and if you forgive the immodesty
00:51:11.820
that's why the parasitic mind became such an international bestseller because that's what
00:51:17.340
explains this complete jump into the abyss of infinite lunacy infinite lunacy god i hope not
00:51:26.140
um i want to ask you about this before we wrap sure you talk about biophobia and i hadn't heard this
00:51:33.340
term before i read the parasitic mind it's fear of biology and explaining human phenomena and this relates
00:51:39.740
back to what you were saying has been a recurring form of science denialism that i've experienced
00:51:45.180
throughout my academic career biophobia like fear of biology in explaining human phenomena yes how what's
00:51:56.540
the root of that is it post-modernism the root of that yeah no well no actually it's it that one came
00:52:02.460
before post-modernism okay so the reason why i mentioned this in the parasitic mind is because
00:52:09.580
that was my first exposure to parasitic thinking as an academic because for for your viewers and
00:52:18.060
listeners who may not know this my scientific research is in the application of evolutionary
00:52:23.420
psychology and evolutionary biology to study human behavior in general and consumer behavior in
00:52:28.860
particular that's why i'm housed in a business school right so right so our hormones affect our
00:52:35.340
food behavior right the average three-day-old squirrel knows this but all of my super smart academic
00:52:43.820
colleagues think that that's really a corrosive idea because biology matters in explaining the behavior of
00:52:51.740
your dog of the giraffe of mosquitoes but surely biology cannot explain the behavior of human beings we
00:53:00.540
transcend our biology we are cultural beings right now those ideas originally developed close to a hundred years ago
00:53:12.620
by a jewish anthropologist i only say this facetiously because whenever someone who is anti-semitic wants to be
00:53:20.700
a jew hater they will point to some jewish idiot who purported some stupid thing and then they say
00:53:26.780
you see all of those parasitic ideas come from jews but what about the fact that i'm the guy who wrote
00:53:32.140
the parasitic mind and i'm also jewish that doesn't count i'm not really a jew right now well so franz
00:53:39.020
boas was a cultural anthropologist about a hundred years ago at columbia university him and his gang basically
00:53:46.700
thought so to answer your question in a very long-winded professorial way he thought that because biology
00:53:55.420
in the wrong hand can lead to really nefarious outcomes well let's create a new understanding
00:54:03.340
of human behavior that leaves biology out so what does that mean eugenicists used biological arguments i mean
00:54:11.820
used in quotes used right uh look uh i'm speaking now as if i were a eugenicist let's not allow too many
00:54:19.820
sicilians into the united states because they look like they're a bit darker skin so maybe through either
00:54:27.900
more control immigration or maybe we just sterilize them then we at least can make sure that they don't
00:54:34.140
promulgate their genes or maybe let's do that to gaze and that's just the darwinian thing of course it has
00:54:39.740
nothing to do with darwin right because all that darwinian theory does is explains how species come about right
00:54:46.380
but because eugenicists took biological ideas to support their insanity because the nazis took darwinian
00:54:55.500
ideas and said hey it's a natural struggle between the races we're the arians sorry jews
00:55:01.340
sorry homosexuals sorry gypsies right you lost in the grand struggle hey that's just darwinians
00:55:07.900
off to the chambers you go because british class so the british social class elitists in the 19th
00:55:15.660
century made similar arguments we are the royal class you're in your squalor in the lower classes
00:55:23.420
if you all die of tuberculosis well that's just darwinian that's just nature you know culling out the bad
00:55:28.940
folks so because all kinds of cretins and morons misused evolutionary theory in the pursuit of their
00:55:37.340
political goals some really empathetic and kind academics came along and said let's create a new
00:55:47.500
reality where we can stop the likelihood of biology ever being misused hence biophobia fear of using
00:55:56.380
biology but in what world can you study every single species using biology except one species called homo
00:56:05.980
sapiens it's it's insane so that was my first exposure to parasitic thinking 30 plus years ago and it's
00:56:13.740
it been it's been a dance with the idiots ever since uh yeah i just don't know about prize michelle
00:56:23.740
it it's it's long overdue that's for one long overdue um i i i i would book a flight to stockholm though if i
00:56:33.980
were you because it's just someday i did that's oh by the way the good news is if i go to to sweden
00:56:42.700
i will feel completely comfortable because the native tongue of sweden is arabic and my mother tongue
00:56:50.140
is arabic so i'll feel right at home in sweden you won't feel uncomfortable and and you won't feel
00:56:55.900
like you're in danger which is key to a good life from what i hear uh this is i i could talk to you
00:57:04.220
for hours and we don't have hours but uh i just so marvel at the way that you what i love is the way
00:57:12.140
that you put this stuff in terms that people can go well yeah hell yeah you know i i and i just hope
00:57:19.340
more and more and more and yeah you know what i think i am going to go buy a bunch of copies of the
00:57:23.340
parasitic mind and ship them out to people that i know who really need to read it uh the parasitic
00:57:28.700
mind the parasitic mind the parasitic mind buy it for everyone that you know buy it for your kids
00:57:35.340
buy it for your college age kids uh last thing for you because you know and i know you're a happy warrior
00:57:41.420
but genuinely genuinely um what gives you hope about your work and the future that things
00:57:51.820
could get less insane so in an abstract sense i like to think that truth will always win up the
00:58:01.180
problem is that you can get to truth in a day and forestall a lot of violence we will get to truth in 40
00:58:10.220
years but then the reaction of people will cause a lot more violence to auto correct right so that's
00:58:17.660
what i'm what i'm basically saying is there's a long arc of history and decency and truth
00:58:23.980
eventually win out but the path to getting there can either be a nice promenade or it could be rivers
00:58:32.300
of blood and so over the long haul i always like to think that it auto corrects in the right direction
00:58:41.020
but in the shorter time period there's a lot of bumps in the road so that's the only way that i'm able to
00:58:46.380
get up every morning and feel optimistic knowing that truth is on my side the silent majority is on
00:58:53.420
my side and it is my job to awaken their courage so that hopefully we can win this tomorrow rather than
00:58:59.980
in 50 years awaken their courage that's how we as i end every show by saying be brave do good uh be for
00:59:08.540
that reason i i it we we cannot cower in this time we cannot we've got to be outspoken we've got to
00:59:15.820
stand up for this stuff does it give you hope that you know you've seen trump elected over one of
00:59:22.060
the worst candidates we've ever seen in american history and that trudeau like it seems to me like
00:59:27.740
maybe there's a these winds of chains trudeau resigns he knows he's in trouble he knows his party
00:59:33.900
i think is in trouble is that a hopeful trend it's hopeful in the short run to my to my previous point
00:59:41.740
meaning that look had kamala harris won out trudeau stayed for then it's only going to worsen things
00:59:50.380
so is there a tremendous uh reason to be happy absolutely but remember that it took depending on
00:59:59.900
the parasitic idea 50 to 100 years for these parasitic ideas to originally be spawned on university campuses
01:00:08.860
to then break out of the ivory tower to then infect every nook and cranny of society so it's not going
01:00:16.460
to magically disappear because donald trump ascended to the highest office right it's he's certainly going
01:00:23.420
to reverse a lot of the insanity but he's only around for four years so the the bigger battle is to make
01:00:30.940
sure right i mean the only way you get rid of polio is literally if you eradicate polio right i mean you
01:00:39.260
have to have a vaccine program that is so exhaustive that there are no longer any pockets of live polio
01:00:47.340
going around in any ecosystem well you need to do that with parasitized minds and with the reflex of
01:00:54.220
suicidal empathy so yes i'm optimistic that this massive auto correction called donald trump is now
01:01:01.500
in place but it's going to be much longer battle than donald trump keep fighting it uh i because you've
01:01:09.500
got a lot of people gad i know you know that now you've passed a million uh a million on x and and i
01:01:16.220
love that your family gave you a cake that was adorable uh all that so people are listening and that
01:01:21.820
should keep you hopeful as well he is gad sad you can find him we're going to put everything in the
01:01:26.860
show notes plus you've been seeing lower thirds follow him on x it is a great follow get his book
01:01:33.740
the parasitic mind and cross your fingers that the next one suicidal empathy comes out sooner than later
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we cannot we cannot wait and honestly we cannot like we can't wait you know i mean that in a very
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literal sense it's been great to see you thank you so much thank you michelle pleasure