00:12:15.320i can't hear you're muted you got to turn your mute off there we go how's that that's better
00:12:23.920how you doing my friend i'm good man nice to have you back on the show congratulations on
00:12:28.800getting your kids full-time now that's great news good to hear that i'll bet so look i'm going to
00:12:34.580play 30 seconds of the danielle smith press conference from yesterday uh when she talks
00:12:39.840about Bill 54 and reducing the threshold for signatures needed and the time it can take any
00:12:46.820particular citizen to go ahead and get a petition signed that could be listened to, could be heard
00:12:52.180in the Alberta legislature. Here she is. Our expanding opportunities for Albertans to be
00:12:57.600involved in direct democracy by making changes to the threshold needed for successful citizens
00:13:02.500initiatives. The signature collection time for citizens initiatives will be extended
00:13:07.340from 90 days to 120 days. We are also improving the process by setting the threshold to be 10%
00:13:14.200of the number of eligible voters who participated in the last general election,
00:13:19.620as opposed to being either 10 or 20% of total registered voters.
00:13:26.380And also, the threshold is now 120 days to get those signatures as opposed to the previous 90.
00:13:33.120Now, the old law is still in place. This is only a bill that has not yet been passed.
00:13:37.140Were you excited when you heard this yesterday?
00:13:39.920I was very. And Danielle Smith is doing the smart thing here.
00:13:44.540I saw the media framing her announcement as her not supporting the idea of a referendum or a secession.
00:13:52.780Well, she said that this morning. So just to be clear and to make sure that everybody is updated on this,
00:13:57.840She said this morning that the government of Alberta would not initiate any sort of any sort of separation.
00:14:04.260But she said she would never stand in the way of a citizen or a group of citizens that wanted to.
00:14:09.940So you guys know. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was perfect.
00:14:13.420And she's she's a very intelligent politician. The way this woman makes decisions and makes moves, she makes sure that it's very defensible.1.00
00:14:22.660So if she were to stand up and say, we are doing this, she would get nothing but blowback, but she's going to get behind the populace and make the decisions that the populace wants her to make.0.87
00:14:32.640She's demonstrated that. I was iffy at first, but I absolutely adore Danielle Smith at this point in time.
00:14:38.860And I don't say that about a lot of politicians, but she's just demonstrated integrity and time and time and time again,
00:14:45.200she's had really hard conversations and said really hard things for any other politician I've ever seen to say.
00:14:51.760and she's just behind us man it's great do you feel like you know i talked to a lot of people
00:14:56.280from alberta obviously like all across the country but a lot from alberta it seems disproportionate
00:15:01.680for this show i don't know why but uh people say you know danielle smith she i was just so happy
00:15:07.420with her last week and then she went and hired that leftist doctor to be the chief medical officer0.97
00:15:12.320just a few days ago and people were outraged about that because this guy was pushing the vaccines he
00:15:18.060was pushing the masks and you know why would she do something like that or maybe she didn't even
00:15:23.640know it maybe somebody else did it i don't know and when the thing is too i don't know at her level
00:15:28.520how much nuance there is with these things i mean at our level there's a lot of conversation a lot
00:15:34.180of people have different perspectives and a lot of people form very strong perspectives and there's
00:15:38.280many branches that information takes but at her level i don't know if it's that nuanced she might
00:15:44.180just have somebody that she felt was capable and competent um at the end of the day these guys
00:15:48.660they're going to do some things we don't like right i'm getting to the point now like i was
00:15:53.260behind the ppc heavily in past years i jumped behind the conservatives this time because they
00:15:58.280weren't losing because they were poorly performing they were losing because a dirty game was being
00:16:02.760played and we saw that in the election we saw a huge turnoff for the conservatives and almost
00:16:07.600every uh every seat that won the liberals correct me if i'm wrong shadow it was a seat that was
00:16:13.860slipped over from ndp and the greens did a bunch of funky stuff as well to uh to to diminish the
00:16:19.740the competition in some of the writings that they were in as well so there were so many it's
00:16:25.220brilliant i mean this is a brilliant strategy that they've deployed here they really really
00:16:29.220really deployed a winning strategy um to take the election but there were so many dirty games that i
00:16:37.020was like wow like these guys are to the point they're probably at about 70 percent where i'd
00:16:40.680want my government to be on on most things um you mean the conservatives yeah and and it's like
00:16:46.480um we have to think about our kids at this point in time because well you saw that report that
00:16:50.780came out was it by 2040 they were stating that a lot of canadians are going to be illegally hunting
00:16:55.760for food because everything's going to be i think the word they used was foraging in on crown lands
00:17:01.640and in crown waterways and the thing is that gets released okay yeah our own government that's doing
00:17:07.800this to us releases that and people still vote for them knowing that that's the path that they
00:17:12.920intend to to keep us moving down right it's just no interesting i had this same conversation with
00:17:19.380anita krishna last night and we were wondering about low information voters because you know
00:17:25.560you see man on the street interviews right bland and chris daisy those guys they go out in the
00:17:30.300street and they do a lot of that stuff and there's a lot of great independent media that goes
00:17:33.720on the street in their own cities and do that as well and you know they speak to anybody though
00:17:38.820it doesn't matter if it's a conservative or a liberal and so you see the you know them talking
00:17:43.340to these liberal people and one woman i recall she said something like well you know he already
00:17:49.640knows everybody over in the eu so that must be a good thing right and that's the reason they're
00:17:57.440voting for him or he's a banker he saved us in the financial crisis of 2008 he didn't but that's
00:18:03.400what they think and they don't dig very deep and i think that's one of the problems with canadians
00:18:08.960aside from the fact that the left-wing corporate media is so skewed left um there there is no
00:18:16.560opposite side unless you go online and you watch shows like this one or you follow papers like
00:18:21.460yours and i don't think many people as many people as should do that i think the biggest problem we
00:18:30.920have is it's not low information voters it's there's not enough restrictions on voting in my
00:18:36.460opinion you should not be a net taker and be able to vote yourself more stuff in this country
00:18:43.000that that's a big no-no that's poor motivation um and automatically you're going to form a bias
00:18:49.100towards the party that gives you the most of what you want then and you're going to form simple
00:18:52.760opinions you're going to read the surface because there's no not only is there no skin in the game
00:18:57.100for you uh that way but there's skin in the game for you if you lose the things that you've obtained
00:19:01.820you know we talk about and and there's a lot of severely low information people i i started
00:19:07.300stepping into a little bit of a debate sphere here just dipping my toes in and everything and
00:19:11.540i got in a little bit a couple nights and it was like these people know nothing they're talking
00:19:16.360about they'll make assertions like carney is the right person for canada but it's like okay well
00:19:20.900give me some reasons why well it's just he's a businessman well no no give me some some material
00:19:25.640reasons why like and and i've asked him do you know what the canadian economy what the size of
00:19:30.820the canadian economy is do you know how much debt we're accumulating do you know how much debt we're
00:19:34.500we're we're uh projected to accumulate do you know how much debt's been like these people have
00:19:39.560no answers to any of these questions and if you truly understand the path that canada is currently
00:19:45.220on if you truly understand it there's no way you can vote that party back in there's absolutely no
00:19:51.400way that that is a good idea in your mind so i think too many people have access to voting
00:19:57.600and it's probably like everybody everybody thinks democracy is good no it's not you need
00:20:03.960severely restricted voting rights the people who earn the people who produce and the people who
00:20:08.180have the most skin in the game in the country should be the ones that are permitted to vote
00:20:11.840you know what that's a great idea but what kinds of tests should be required for people to be able
00:20:18.820to vote i mean you know it got to the point where and i think in this last election 70 percent of
00:20:24.060people came out to vote yay uh usually it's about 62 or 63 percent right and so the problem is
00:20:29.660getting people to come out and vote because the left-wing corporate media always paints it as
00:20:33.720such a chore oh canadians don't want to have to go back to the polls in the meantime the americans
00:20:39.260are going every six months it seems like federally state municipally they're always going to vote for
00:20:45.180somebody even dog catcher down there right so what kinds of things could we do like it makes
00:20:51.340somebody take a test it makes somebody show what their income somehow like so they're not net takers
00:20:56.740uh before they're allowed to make their x well i mean we have access to everybody's tax data
00:21:02.600and information everybody everybody's stuff is out there to determine whether or not they're
00:21:07.400producing or taking right so i mean they're they're if they can if they can if they can
00:21:15.160you know, 30, 30 ish million people's, you know, working,
00:21:20.740I don't know how many people work in Canada,
00:21:22.280but if they can calculate down to the very penny,
00:21:24.460how much they owe in income tax for every single person,
00:21:27.820I'm pretty sure there's a system that could be designed here that would
00:21:30.740measure how much of a contributor and that contributor somebody is within the
00:21:34.760country. And it's not just that shadow. It's, you know, you look at,
00:21:37.300you look at accumulated assets, you look, you look at,
00:21:39.740you look at what, where somebody has gotten to in life.
00:21:41.940and that's a good test of uh of their their savviness i guess i would say their their
00:21:47.500decision-making capabilities i don't think you should be able to vote at 18 i don't think you
00:21:51.940know anything at 18 i think you're still practicing talking at 18 yeah you know they're talking about
00:21:58.020lowering the voting age or you know that's a pipe dream i think but i think they should raise it i've
00:22:02.700been saying they should raise it to 25 right because even at 25 these days you may not know
00:22:09.220what it's like to live in the real world
00:22:10.960because you're still living in your parents' basement
00:22:12.880because you can't afford an apartment.
00:22:14.920And you haven't had enough life experience
00:22:29.200and probably really improve the quality of voters in Canada.
00:22:33.300I want to ask you, you were involved for a while
00:22:37.040with the alberta prosperity project right yeah for for how long was that and what were you doing
00:22:42.540with them it was it was a few months i did uh like so in in my region here i was part of the
00:22:48.920group that was pushing the alberta prosperity project but in fort mcmurray you're preaching
00:22:52.860to the choir right i mean it's not a hard sell in this city i'll tell you that this is probably
00:22:56.900i i would have to guess fort mcmurray is one of if not the most conservative cities
00:23:02.720in all of Canada and so I was working with the group a lot of the time I spent getting to know
00:23:07.760some of the players getting to know some of the folks getting to know the program as much as I
00:23:11.540possibly could um and and helping them promote it a bit um I got to speak with a few of the leaders
00:23:18.380there uh I I'm very impressed by Dennis Modry I think he he's done a tremendous amount of work
00:23:24.340he's built a very clear strategy and path they've put so much effort into all of the supporting
00:23:30.300things we would need to actually do that so that somebody like danielle smith can come in and get
00:23:34.660behind it and we're hitting the ground running right yeah so so it's it's a really good group
00:23:40.840of people with really good intentions at the time i was working with them i was really strapped for
00:23:45.060time again full-time single parent um full-time job professional career lots of stuff on my plate
00:23:51.440and i was looking at kind of taking the chair position for this region here and supporting
00:23:56.440that one because i just didn't have the time to do it right so what other great now the reason i
00:24:02.540ask this is because i've been hearing and one of the i put on one of the old school alberta
00:24:08.260separatists last night he left a message i'm forgetting his name here um but uh he's like
00:24:13.70080 now gordon kessler gordon kessler is his name okay and he left a 13 minute message immediately
00:24:20.560after the election on monday night yeah and i i thought okay i'm gonna listen to this guy because
00:24:26.540it's almost like listening to yoda and and so he at one point in that message said it's my
00:24:35.720greatest wish that all of the disparate groups in alberta who are getting behind sovereignty
00:24:43.540can actually come together and agree on what the plan should be and then move forward because then
00:24:52.140it will be a loud, strong, powerful, positive message. How many different groups are there?
00:24:57.940I know there's the Alberta Republican Party as well. Yeah, there's a lot of groups. I don't know
00:25:02.900how much reach many of them have gained. There's a lot of varying opinions on what the end result
00:25:08.520shall look like. And that's the thing where I think we're creating
00:25:12.520the divide and we're getting it wrong. We're not allowing the end result to develop as we
00:25:16.340wade into this and convince people that moving forward on a solution
00:25:20.460is a good idea. We're coming and we're saying to people, we're going to be the 51st
00:25:24.420state. We're going to be our own country. They're coming with the end in mind
00:25:28.680when this has to be a collaborative approach amongst all the groups. There has to be
00:25:32.520I'm telling you, this will take a long time if we're going to do it. There has to be a lot of
00:25:36.340conversations. And gradually, we do have to form that vision of what an independent Alberta looks
00:25:42.300like. It's not as cut and dry as become part of the states. All of a sudden, we're on. It's not
00:25:47.520as cut and dry as those things. There's a lot of steps to follow. There's a lot of stakeholders
00:25:50.580here. And what we should be doing, the way I see it, Shadow, is we should, referendum-wise,
00:25:57.080it has to be a simple question. That question has to be very carefully considered how it's asked.
00:26:01.320In my mind, if I was to imagine the type of question it should be, it should be, are you in agreement with an escalating series of measures up to and including separation to form the proper relationship with the Confederation that we need to be prosperous and successful in this province?
00:26:19.980That sounds pretty blurry to me, though, because it could be as something as simple as getting a better deal from the federal government or something as extreme as leaving. Right. So I don't think that that question would pass the Clarity Act. Probably a little more specific.
00:26:34.840I don't think it would, but the strategy does need to contain escalating measures.
00:26:40.060You know, you're not going to go from zero to a thousand here.
00:26:42.900And what Alberta needs to do, all of this is we just have to get the cards in our hand.
00:26:47.880Because right now, we can't do anything.0.56
00:26:50.520And the rest of the takers, they laugh in our faces.
00:26:55.540They actually mock us for being upset about the way we're being treated by Canada right now.0.90
00:26:59.160They're openly mocking us while they suck the life out of us.
00:27:01.800You mean those in Alberta or just everywhere in the country?
00:27:04.840Everywhere in the country, there's lots of good people who support Alberta in the country.
00:27:08.240But I'll tell you right now, 57-ish, how much of the, what percent of the vote went to not conservatives?
00:27:19.500So that's 58% of people who fully support the platform that the Liberals have put forward that will end in the destruction of Alberta and Canada being thrust into poverty.
00:27:29.280And everybody's forgetting the destruction of our children's futures here.
00:27:32.740if we're going to be foraging for food by 2040 well it's there our kids are going to be doing
00:27:38.880the foraging because we're going to be old as hell and they're going to be trying to help us
00:27:41.860get fed basically right and this is this is the argument i get into with people why it's like
00:27:46.620the if you don't have kids you should not be allowed to vote and there's something happened
00:27:54.420here we used to i forget what that phrase is it's about planting the tree so future generations can
00:27:58.960enjoy its shade. That just completely left us. There's no honor in a lot of the older generations
00:28:04.820in Canada here right now. They're not thinking about our children, right? When you look at the
00:28:08.560trajectory we're on, there is no future. There is no hope for our children to own homes.
00:28:14.760$10 daycare is a great example. Everybody's cheering on, oh, they're helping parents because
00:28:19.060they're giving $10 daycare. Who's going to pay the bill? We don't have, we're spending deficit
00:28:24.780money to pay for the daycare not to mention you can't even get it for four or five years your
00:28:30.400kids are already grown they don't need daycare and even the kids in daycare the kids are that
00:28:35.480that are going to receive the daycare are the ones that are going to be paying the bill for
00:28:39.160their own daycare through future tax increases and or they'll just keep accumulating deficit
00:28:43.760and throwing money in the garbage to maintain debt that's that's where it's going to go uh
00:28:48.500that that dental care everybody's advocating for this dental care that the ndp put forward
00:28:52.680how much teeth do my children need to pay for like what what's the threshold here right because
00:28:58.840because the people receiving it aren't paying for it this the people who are earning right now are
00:29:04.980not paying for it that cost is thrust on the shoulders of every program we're spending money
00:29:09.920on that we can't afford we are thrusting the cost of that program onto the shoulders of our children
00:29:14.420their children and their children's children and that sounds to me like i'm sorry to interrupt you
00:29:19.840It sounds to me like, you know, you're not at all in agreement with anything that the Liberals have put forward.
00:29:26.900Neither am I. Neither is probably the entire audience here.
00:29:29.820I don't think there's one thing that you could, you know, I mean, they copied a lot of Pollyov's promises as well and platform planks.
00:29:37.940I don't think they're ever going to come through on those.
00:29:39.760There's not going to be any east-west energy corridor under Mark Carney.
00:29:43.540He wants to leave all of our resources in the ground.
00:29:45.720But would you be satisfied? Because as you pointed out just a couple of minutes ago with an escalating question, right, would you be interested in a better deal with the federal government if it included this, this and this as far as sovereignty separating from the country?
00:30:00.420Would you be satisfied with something in the middle?
00:30:04.220And that's the thing is I can't right now say what the end solution looks like, because because right now we're in a spot where.
00:30:11.420the other side is severe like there's no middle ground where we're at here we need a lot to really
00:30:19.240get to where we want to be and the other side is not only giving us nothing but they're telling us
00:30:23.800we should shut up because we have it really good right so so if that's where they're at i don't
00:30:31.160see how we're going to get to the middle we're going to get maybe some small some small wins
00:30:36.520but ultimately like 75% of what we need and want is probably not going to be
00:32:16.200And the reason that he did that was because this is how it's going to be in Alberta all the time if we become an independent nation.
00:32:26.340Right. Yeah. So that was that was his rationale behind it.
00:32:29.820Do you think Danielle Smith is doing this in order to move to a situation where Alberta becomes independent or is she using it as a bargaining chip?1.00
00:32:38.920I know what my feeling is, but she's definitely using it as a bargaining chip.0.86
00:32:42.620I think I think Danielle Smith is very smart and a smart politician, you know, is going to work the best possible they can, best possible deal that they can.
00:32:52.640right i feel like danielle smith is getting behind the movement so that alberta can have as much
00:32:59.560leverage as possible i don't know if we get really close and she gets out of the way or not that's
00:33:04.300the thing i don't know right because that would be very i don't know if that's where her values lie
00:33:10.060but i'll tell you i'm perfectly happy right now having a leader in alberta that is behind this
00:33:17.460and is doing everything in her power to get a better situation for alberta like we i don't know
00:33:25.560other than klein i don't know if we've ever seen that before right like this is incredible to watch
00:33:29.920is somebody actually supporting us so strongly and and being fearless enough to say a lot of
00:33:36.280the things that are socially unacceptable throughout the rest of the country right now
00:33:39.180i know that that you've you've mentioned that you've spent time with many of the key players
00:33:44.680of the app i'm not sure if you know any of the other players in any of the other groups but
00:33:49.360i do know that there is a significant amount of money behind some of these groups and i'm talking
00:33:57.460about millions if not billions of dollars do you recognize that also i what i will say is i think
00:34:04.640there's a lot of very deep interests from the business side of things in this the oil community
00:34:10.880the energy community for sure well and not just that again it's almost like the same thing that
00:34:15.360happens on the left they fund a lot of groups um not necessarily for any end objective but to create
00:34:21.480pressure political pressure right so i don't i don't know if it's like i don't have enough insight
00:34:26.540into that piece but if i had to guess i would say that it's funded because it's an effective way of
00:34:31.520applying political pressure and improving business conditions within the province right i think there's
00:34:37.320a lot of old money in Alberta, a lot of dark money that we probably aren't aware of in this
00:34:42.120province. I think a lot of that's going to it. I think there's a lot of very wealthy people who
00:34:47.680are very hardcore old Albertans that make large contributions to these groups as well. So Shadow,
00:34:54.600logically, I have no doubt that there's money behind this. You know what? I think Alberta is
00:34:59.100hilarious. Like when you're in my neck of the woods, you know when you've run into a millionaire0.98
00:35:03.720because they'll show you right hey look at my watch it's amazing isn't it in alberta
00:35:09.960does your truck have a 24 inch lift man that's crazy in alberta you go to alberta you see some
00:35:15.720dude wearing a cowboy hat denim shirt big old belt buckle steps out of an f-150 and you'd think oh
00:35:23.540who is this guy some farm hat no he's worth about 10 million dollars yeah oh that's crazy we see it
00:35:30.440in this in the city the city's amazing there's people who've spent almost their entire life
00:35:35.800building a business and then they flip it for 20 million dollars man and it's like like that's like
00:35:40.500that that's that's what drives me crazy about this is this is the opportunity within the province of
00:35:46.700alberta there's nothing to be gained by throttling alberta's energy sector nothing there's literally
00:35:52.240less than zero to be gained here. There's no reduction in carbon on the planet, let alone
00:35:59.560do we eat like nobody's really proving to us that that's the dial we need to turn. That feels like
00:36:05.140that's more of the dial that's best to manipulate to get the best behavior out of everybody that
00:36:09.400you want, right? It's a measurable thing that they can crush industry. They can gain supreme
00:36:15.440amounts of control by telling you that we need to turn that dial and convincing you there's a
00:36:20.540crisis at hand right so the only thing and when you look at carney's business ventures and the
00:36:26.840things he's involved in every single thing happening to canada is bad for canadians
00:36:31.300but will allow his business ventures to flourish right like when when you that's such a conflict
00:36:37.680to me is when you see a politician when you see them making terrible awful decisions and doing
00:36:44.800the damage that they're doing this to this country and you can clearly see the benefit
00:36:49.100But Dave Reethan doing that on the other side, it blows my mind how how how blind the vote the voters are in Canada.
00:36:57.520That's why it blows my mind how blind the left wing corporate media.
00:37:02.360I mean, like they didn't go after Carney hardly at all for this blind trust that he put all of his investments in.
00:37:09.460Right. Like one day, maybe two days, they should still be on him about it.
00:37:13.560And they seem to have forgotten about it.
00:37:15.400They never mentioned it took the conservative party to mention that. Oh, by the way, Brookfield, you know, when Carney was the CEO, he went over to China, got a two hundred and fifty million dollar loan from the PRC that that is still owing.
00:37:31.900I think that as prime minister, he's going to capitulate to what they want.
00:37:37.100the chinese ambassador to canada last week made a proposal to canadians and the proposal was
00:37:43.580let's team up so that we can fight the bullying of donald trump well and and that's the other
00:37:50.620thing is now they're talking about branching away from this and actually they're demonizing the
00:37:54.720states and it's like guys that's not only the biggest consumer economy on the planet they're
00:37:59.940right beside us they buy a lot like all of these decisions are exceptionally harmful like the
00:38:05.920people who are like oh cheering it on oh yeah we're putting tariffs on on the states and like
00:38:10.720i i was really criticizing that and people were like well what are we supposed to do
00:38:14.800it's like i don't know maybe something that works nothing that's a 38 trillion dollar a company do
00:38:20.220you think a couple hundred billion in tariffs is going to make any significant difference in how
00:38:24.520that country feels it's not even right yeah like they do and and the how can people not understand
00:38:31.760that well we're going to do reciprocal tariffs you know the only countries that uh fought back
00:38:37.480against these tariffs that trump has put up with china and canada yep the only two yep the only
00:38:44.180let's let's get back to alberta uh and the sovereignty question so here we are two days
00:38:48.840after the election is there any movement that you've seen yet is there anybody campaigning are
00:38:55.480you seeing any billboards anything at all or is or you think people are still in meeting mode right
00:39:00.440now it's it's not so from the grassroots level like so i'm not going to disclose it but in my
00:39:06.780career i travel throughout this region very far distance hours in either direction and the
00:39:12.840conversations being had between everybody in my community the people i'm meeting with throughout
00:39:18.220these other regions is about separation a lot of it is the the 51st state talk and stuff like that
00:39:24.720Like it's it's there's a lot of really angry people. The thing is that. We tried to play nice for everybody's seen this. We tried to play nice for a very long time.
00:39:35.440it's very hard not to see the liberal and i'm not trying to i'm not even trying to demonize
00:39:45.100anybody here but logically if you think about the definition of the word enemy at this point in time
00:39:50.480it's very hard not to see the other side as an enemy at this point in time that we need to
00:39:56.020separate ourselves from because of the damage they're doing you look at they are you mean the
00:40:01.420government of canada being the enemy well not just the government of canada now it's to the
00:40:06.100point where like if people encounter liberal voters it's like what you stand for is more harmful
00:40:12.420to me and my family than anything anybody's ever done to us before right the thrusting us into
00:40:20.500insane amounts of debt the increasing tax revenues the carbon tax taking our guns away
00:40:25.640crushing our industry the money don't forget about the censorship and you know you're that's
00:40:30.940right and how many people have you heard and because you know there's a lot of normies is
00:40:35.740how we call them out there right well it's just a vote it's just politics i mean it didn't matter
00:40:39.480who won like why are you so upset they don't get the gravity of the situation that we're currently
00:40:45.560in yeah not at all not at all and that's that's the thing shadow is it's like it there's a very
00:40:51.400clear divide in canada and it's we unity is not a good idea because unity means that we have people
00:40:57.760who are on the end where they absolutely have the destruction of our freedoms our firearms
00:41:03.120ownership our economy our livelihoods in mind and they're actively voting for that unity means we
00:41:08.380meet somewhere's there the only version of unity we get is they say well you guys are making two
00:41:13.380but they frame us as the ones who are dividing canada yeah you think it's us or the ones who
00:41:19.100are voting actively to destroy our lives do you think do you think maybe it's those people who
00:41:23.720are dividing canada and just telling us that it's a good idea to do it for for shallow reasons that
00:41:28.520they don't even understand and can't explain i challenge anybody watching this live right now
00:41:32.440when you talk to somebody who supports liberal policies don't get angry go into depth ask them
00:41:40.300what about the policies they support ask them how they see those policies impacting canadians
00:41:44.700ask them a ton of questions and you'll find out really quickly that they don't have a clue
00:41:49.660they are mindless drones who are voting based on emotion and based off of the surface version of
00:41:55.500things they hear in the media and that's it or or they just like it because it benefits them
00:42:01.160and they don't have any skin in the game to lose here over the policies that are taking canada
00:42:06.000over right now so i don't see how they couldn't have any skin to lose because it affects everything
00:42:11.700right i mean you you go to your downtown any downtown in any major city or even medium-sized
00:42:16.180city in this country now and you see intense cities everywhere you're seeing drug addicts
00:42:20.640you're seeing people like raving on a street corner yelling and screaming talking to nobody
00:42:26.380and that's all about the so-called safe supply that they have been dishing out they've been
00:42:32.080free drug paraphernalia hard drug paraphernalia in vending machines in british columbia right now
00:42:38.600where it's rampant and it's bad enough in places like alberta and uh you know ontario manitoba is
00:42:45.360even bad you can't go downtown here now i know people wanting to go to a hockey game there's a
00:42:51.420game tonight downtown people go i don't know man should we should we go or just watch it on tv it's
00:42:56.760pretty rough down there now you're safe there's gonna be 16 000 people down there you're gonna
00:43:01.540be fine don't worry about it but and here's the thing too shadow like if like i don't know if
00:43:05.940anybody's this would be an interesting experiment or pile of data for somebody to run so we've got
00:43:13.260we've got the number of seats that each province can elect to form government right right now we
00:43:19.300know that the the the provinces that take the most have the most voting power based on pop
00:43:26.700we know this that's measurable i would love to see somebody if they were to properly distribute
00:43:32.620the seats throughout canada um based on population if they were to reorganize the seats in canada
00:43:39.860based on population and then look at how this country would vote i would love to see what that
00:43:45.580result would be like because i think this country would end up being highly conservative if the if
00:43:51.100the voting power was properly distributed within the provinces based on population yeah they did
00:43:57.260the redistribution two years ago and uh they screwed up pier poliev's writing so bad they
00:44:03.120added a bunch of liberal voters to it i think uh what's his name mario for the north did a video
00:44:07.580on that i'm going to play it later on in the show let me ask you um yeah he's pretty cool uh let me
00:44:13.400ask you if this does happen do you see a mass influx of people from the rest of the country
00:44:20.560moving i mean albert has always been a hot spot in canada you know i mean there's people there
00:44:25.880from all over i lived in calgary for four years and i could tell you that nobody was from there
00:44:30.780it was i'm from saskatchewan i'm from newfoundland i'm from nova scotia manitoba bc it was just
00:44:35.600everywhere um but do you see that happening like on mass all at once if this is to happen and and
00:44:43.340conversely do you see people like you know the lefties move it out because they're scared now
00:44:47.200they're so outnumbered so i think what would happen is we'd go through a dark period kind
00:44:51.800of similar to what the state's seeing right now so there's going to be some struggles if we were
00:44:55.600to do that. I mean, and I can't even imagine the struggles, but I'm under no illusion that this
00:44:59.400is an easy or an immediately beneficial thing to do. This is going to be some suffering. This is
00:45:06.360going to be some struggling. There's going to be some disruptions in a lot of things for us to do
00:45:10.400this. And I don't see, I see the rest of the country mocking us while we go through that,
00:45:16.460if this were to happen, right? They're going to laugh and they're going to say exactly what
00:45:19.760they're doing in the States. See, we told you this was a bad idea. Now, fast forward a few years,
00:45:24.400once everything's done and everything's been renegotiated and all of our access to tidewater
00:45:29.340and everything we need has been has been put in place moving forward i see a massive influx of
00:45:35.580people a because we're going to need them because we can turn the taps on in their industry and
00:45:39.600we're going to be drawing workers from everywhere to do that b right out of the gates if you just
00:45:44.320took alberta out and gave us everything that we we contribute back our gdp rises by 40 immediately
00:45:50.480This province is one of the most booming places on the face of the planet once we if we were to separate once all of the all of the strings are cut.
00:46:00.220Now, you see, interesting that you say there's going to be a dark period because others that I've spoken to say it's going to get better immediately.
00:46:06.760Well, maybe not immediately, but within two or three months, because the second that you stop giving the federal government those transfer payments, you're keeping that money yourself.
00:46:15.260And, you know, you're not getting your health transfers, but so what? Because that's much less than the federal transfer payment that you're giving the federal government. So you're already winning, right?
00:46:27.520Now, I agree that logically that may be how it goes, but both you and I know how devious and how creative and how tactical these anti-conservative groups can be.
00:46:42.620And this would be the most consequential thing to ever happen to Alberta.
00:46:46.540So you think about the interest in disrupting this process and the interest in not allowing this to happen.
00:46:51.120You think about the lawfare that will be waived against Alberta, disrupting the companies that are within Alberta and are ties to anything throughout the rest of Canada.
00:47:01.720You think about the political pressure on anybody supporting Alberta's industry to cut off ties to supporting Alberta's industry because of what we're proposing and what we want to do.
00:47:11.440That's why I think we would go through the dark and painful period.
00:47:14.120I think on the surface, on paper, it looks clean, but once you add human nature, once you add political meddling into it, and it's the same thing I said about Trump, when everybody was saying, oh, it's a conspiracy, nobody was trying to kill him.
00:47:31.980He would be the person on the planet they would want to kill the most.
00:47:35.060If anybody was going to be assassinated on the planet, I would put all my money on Trump, right?0.71
00:47:39.900And it's the same thing with Alberta. We're dealing with something that would be the most consequential thing that ever happened in moderating history in Canada. This would have a bigger negative impact on Canada than another 10 years of the Liberals if Alberta were to move out of here.
00:47:54.520So the interests in disrupting that process, that's where I think it would get dark for us because we would have to re-engineer all of these relationships. We would likely have to shift a lot of our dependence from what we do depend on within Canada and the handshake agreements that we have throughout Canada. We would have to find other ways to do things because we wouldn't have the support, right?
00:48:14.720that's interesting i i i don't quite see it like that i see it as a fairly immediate thing because
00:48:22.260the law is clear you know you have to if the province decides and this is the thing right
00:48:28.160you get 50.1 percent of the vote it goes right to the house of commons and they have to approve it
00:48:36.380according to law so the clarity act doesn't say 51 or 50.1 percent it says it says it says a clear
00:48:42.820majority and then it goes for litigation to determine whether or not a clear majority has been
00:48:48.020obtained for this to happen right that's that's the dark that's the that's the part where it's like
00:48:54.820there there's a lot of weasel so you mean to say that these people could say well 50.1 is not
00:49:01.160a clear majority it needs to be 60 just to be clear well once once it hits the house and you
00:49:07.960know they're making a determination whether we've met the intent of a clear majority
00:49:11.760and let's be clear about this there is no federal party not even the conservatives who would support
00:49:18.140anything like this so they would all be voting against it if they possibly could but this would
00:49:22.840be more of a litigation thing wouldn't it it would definitely hit the supreme court for sure
00:49:27.160there would have to be a decision but but again we're we're so liberalized in this country like
00:49:31.580we still have to jump through hoops right i was listening recently i was listening to something
00:49:34.940from the alberta prosperity project there was a gentleman named tanner he does really good
00:49:38.860commentary i've listened to a lot of this was from a few years ago they were actually they were
00:49:42.880talking about the clary act and some of the challenges within the clary act and that was
00:49:46.580one point they brought up was the clear majority piece right and and that being the issue but the
00:49:51.500one thing they did say is the clarity act cannot be interpreted as a means to create obstacles for
00:49:58.280succession right right once the clarity act is being interpreted as being used to create
00:50:04.760obstacles versus to provide a path to succession right that's that's the area where if you can
00:50:12.540actually and and from what i gathered if you can if you can demonstrate the intent to obstruct
00:50:18.980versus the intent to allow a province to follow the because that's the clarity act is to clarify
00:50:24.860what that process looks like right and i just found it strange that that clear majority piece
00:50:29.040was weird to me because and and again i'm going to attribute it to what i was listening to with
00:50:33.780with tanner and a couple of gentlemen speaking they said you know the 50.1 doesn't work because
00:50:39.080then if two weeks later uh somebody launches another referendum and there's a few people who
00:50:44.800have been um who've been burnt by the previous decision and that next referendum flips over to
00:50:51.42050.1 because you're just in that small zone right then they don't want that to happen either which
00:50:56.560is which is logical i mean you wouldn't want to see that right that's interesting so you could
00:51:00.660say though 51 percent because that's still thousands of votes i mean it's almost like we're
00:51:05.420talking about at the beginning of the show tonight those two or three writings that are separated by
00:51:09.66012 votes or 25 votes or that's one thing but we're talking about you know one percent of the people
00:51:15.880in alberta who have been voting and i would imagine that the voter turnout for a referendum
00:51:20.680like that would be more than 70 i'm thinking 90 probably so it would be thousands of votes in one
00:51:27.260percent right and that and that's again it's hard to say because i i pulled it up the other day i
00:51:32.940believe if you look at conservative versus non-conservative votes in alberta it varies
00:51:38.320there's some very liberal cities and areas within alberta but i believe conservatives achieved and
00:51:45.000anybody in the comments can crack they hit about 65 percent of the total votes it was that were
00:51:50.460given to conservatives so so i guess for me um if you think of a referendum if you think about
00:51:55.940people who are motivated to vote of course the conservatives but i definitely would want to sit
00:52:01.500on it for a little bit if i only achieved 51 and determine if we can actually clearly state that we
00:52:09.200have a clear majority because again if if you if you don't do that if you take it forward and it
00:52:13.680gets shot down it's like man the you've got to have a very clear path here and you got to be
00:52:18.840certain because if we do all this work and then it gets shot down not only is the morale in alberta
00:52:23.840going to be absolutely destroyed people are going to be hesitant to even want to pursue this again
00:52:28.640for it's almost like the gun the gun um there was there was a case regarding firearms and it being
00:52:35.500like a right of uh security of the person right like liberty and security of the person there
00:52:40.980was a gentleman that took that to the court and he kind of screwed everybody over because he forced
00:52:44.720the court to rule on firearms ownership being part of your right to life liberty and security
00:52:50.440the person and the courts didn't agree with him he didn't actually build a good case for it so that
00:52:55.160ruling is just in the books now as it's not part of your life and you almost want it to just not be
00:53:00.920said until you can form a proper defense for that right well let's okay so look at i mean already
00:53:09.000the left-wing corporate media as of today this came from ctv today and they talked to a couple
00:53:15.160of people who represent a couple of the independence groups in alberta the guy from the republican
00:53:21.480party of alberta cameron davies they talked to uh or tried to talk to a couple of from the app but
00:53:28.200what happened at the end was they got some university academic oh the chances of alberta
00:53:35.560separating is incredibly low there's no reason to worry poo poo you know it was a poo poo thing
00:53:41.640And they're going to be doing this over and over and over and over again.
00:53:45.160Do you think that's a good thing for the separation movement or a bad thing for the separation movement?
00:54:09.860And there's some very clear explanations here. But I guess the point I'd like people to get is there's a way. Like, it's not going to be easy. So when somebody frames up this beautiful argument against or framing up how it's not going to happen for all these reasons, well, you've got to be very rational here.
00:54:32.000you've got to pick out all like this has to be highly planned and strategic they have to sit
00:54:36.340down and they have to do maybe some kind of tabletop exercise here to determine what are
00:54:41.040all of the hang-ups going to be what are all it could be 300 different things that could get in
00:54:47.140the way and they're going to have to come up with a phenomenal way of approaching those 300 things
00:54:53.320to make this go through and this is going to have to be executed amazingly well now saying that is
00:54:58.860going to be very hard but it can be done well let me ask you i mean i was going to ask you this
00:55:05.100before but now you've kind of semi-answered it already but let's just say the referendum happens
00:55:11.160let's say the alberta prosperity project and i can imagine the marketing campaign that you know
00:55:17.000the province would be going through for three to six months it could start as early as next week
00:55:23.120I mean, depending on how determined these groups are, I know, like I said earlier, Jeff Rath from the APP wants a referendum by November.
00:55:31.380He wants it by the by the end of the year. So the marketing campaign, these guys have got money.
00:55:36.780They can spend huge money on TV, radio, online, social media.
00:55:43.120They can spend massive money on billboards. It would be everywhere. Right.
00:55:47.280All they need is a fantastic marketing strategy and a slogan, like we're all in this together, to maybe move some hearts and minds right now.
00:55:59.420I think it was an Ipsos poll that said 25 percent of Albertans, one in four, would be interested in becoming an independent country.
00:56:07.360That number was higher in Saskatchewan, by the way, 30 percent.
00:56:10.440so if the number is 25 and again i don't believe polls but if the number is 25 could they move it
00:56:19.420to 55 with a marketing campaign like that and that's part of the reason why i would not advocate
00:56:26.280for driving this too hard too fast is because again once you shoot your shot you're done now
00:56:32.240i would want to see like again the the liberal strategy to take government again was brilliant
00:56:38.080I would want to see some amazing strategists, you know, the equivalent of what they're dealing with on the Democrat, because the thing people don't realize is how good these strategists are.
00:56:49.860The liberals have a losing platform in every way, shape and form that does nothing but hurt people.
00:56:55.000And these these these strategic people get in and they form a plan to turn that awful, disgusting, losing platform into something that actually wins government.
00:57:06.580like it's it's insane so it's way different like the the challenge is almost insurmountable
00:57:14.740when you think about it and i'm just talking objectively it's not a good thing they're doing
00:57:18.940it but it's just amazing what they've achieved with the platform that they were pitching to
00:57:22.900everybody so i don't know what kind of depth we have on the conservative side because our platform
00:57:28.420is not a hard sell right like our platform is really good it's really logical it's really
00:57:32.680rational so for them to be able to get in and twist everybody's minds the way they did to
00:57:37.220convince them that ours is bad and theirs is good we need strategists that are capable of reaching
00:57:44.380people in a way we've never seen before to get this message out so i would want to make sure
00:57:49.760we've got a completely foolproof way of making sure we achieve the target you know you need the
00:57:56.740marketing team from the covet uh campaign that's what i mean you look at these awful things it's
00:58:01.600like like if there's if they're good at one thing these terrible people if they're good at one thing
00:58:06.200it's sure as hell fooling people and convincing people that terrible things are great so so for
00:58:12.040me i would want to see like what are we doing there how are we going to approach that we cannot
00:58:15.500underestimate what's required there to achieve this the second piece if we're saying 65 percent
00:58:20.720of albertans voted conservative 35 percent did not so we know 35 right out of the gates is not
00:58:27.580going to jump on board with this. For us to get what I would feel comfortable calling a clear
00:58:32.240majority, you'd have to get all but 5%. You'd have to get the 60% of voters that voted conservative
00:58:38.600to be able to walk in and comfortably say there's no way you can debate that this is a clear
00:58:42.960majority. And we know that of that 65%, there's a lot of very moderate conservatives in there
00:58:48.880that probably wouldn't support separation. So that's why I'm saying I would never want to run
00:58:52.440into this too fast this will take a lot of strategy this will take a lot of preparation
00:58:57.760this is going to take things we are going to have to form concepts we've never formed before
00:59:02.960well you know the interesting thing is i mean that last quebec referendum where the uh the
00:59:09.700federalists won it by the skin of their teeth i think it was what 95 i was in calgary at the time
00:59:14.420i remember i was working on a radio station called uh kick fm anyway um and and all of us
00:59:21.560were standing around in the newsroom watching the tv because it was like wow this could be
00:59:25.920history in the making right here um they've failed the separatists have failed a couple of times now
00:59:32.180but they keep coming back for more the the bloc quebecois didn't do so well in the federal election
00:59:37.700but leading the polls right now guess what the party quebecois provincially in quebec which is
00:59:42.260the separatist party right you put a separatist premier in there and who knows what kind of
00:59:47.080bells he's going to ring to get people all riled up again so it's not like they've lost much uh
00:59:53.880over the last 30 or 40 years since this whole separation thing began and i you know like you
01:00:00.040say you shoot your shot but you can always come back and do it again in a couple of years right
01:00:04.200and take your your lessons learned well i don't i don't know if it's a couple years and the thing
01:00:10.600is we don't have a couple years here right like as far as as far as damaging our industry and our
01:00:15.320economy and the future of our children like we're we're in the red zone here with what's happening
01:00:20.620right and the other thing we have to consider here too is the forces that are going to be out there
01:00:25.640to misinform albertans about like again if they're deploying the same strategists that they use for
01:00:32.740the elections and things like that you know sure as hell because it's the most consequential thing
01:00:37.460that could happen to canada they could spend 10 billion dollars misinforming albertans to ship
01:00:44.420them away from voting for separation and it would be worth it for them to do that that would be a
01:00:48.720good investment for them to do that right so and we already know that they just throw endless money
01:00:53.400at everything already so why not then would they throw the most money possible to prevent the most
01:00:58.840consequential thing that could ever happen to canada and that's why i'm saying it's like it's
01:01:02.720not a clean it's not a clean thing we're going to do here it's a very difficult thing and if we if
01:01:08.600we naively dive into this and just run at it we're going to hit every branch on the way out of that
01:01:13.940If we think in any way, shape, or form anybody's going to play nice here or clean or we're going to just follow the clarity process that's been put out in front of us and it's going to work, uh-uh.
01:01:24.380We have to get into the trenches with these guys.
01:01:33.200So the independence groups, do you see a possibility of them coming together, like putting their egos aside and saying, okay, let's do this, man?
01:01:43.940Most of them are pitching the solution, not the path to a solution.