00:13:42.840But fundamentally it it's up to the prime minister to appoint whomever the
00:13:49.860prime minister wants. And that's it. That's the bottom line. So if the prime minister is somebody
00:13:57.160who is not really a big fan of the free society and is not really a huge fan of free speech and
00:14:03.340religious freedom, freedom of association, freedom of peaceful assembly, mobility rights, travel
00:14:08.220rights, if the prime minister is a big believer in big government and government knows best and
00:14:14.820You know, citizens should be grateful for whatever morsels of freedom are tossed their way. If that's the attitude of the prime minister, the prime minister is very likely to appoint judges with a similar attitude. And so is it fair?
00:14:29.660um well probably not uh you know that i mean the whole point of having a charter of rights and
00:14:37.160freedoms is that you would have judges who are above and beyond politics to rein in the politicians
00:14:42.860when uh they are trampling on our rights and freedoms and what we've seen uh in the years
00:14:50.820of lockdowns was a lot of judges just wrote the media narrative into their court rulings and just
00:14:55.900rubber stamped uh the the government's violations of our charter rights and freedoms with the
00:15:01.900lockdown measures so not a good situation right now with the judiciary well that's all about section
00:15:07.860one right like uh you know this will be allowed in a free and democratic society unless there's
00:15:12.920an emergency and and all of this uh judicial notice that's been taking place all across the
00:15:17.760country for the past few years i think that the attorney general justice minister had a lot to do
00:15:23.800with that i forget the guy's name there is a couple during uh trudeau's run but uh the the ag
00:15:31.840went across the country advising judges or supreme court judges and the senior judges
00:15:37.500in each province to take judicial notice whenever a covet case came around
00:15:41.800um and so they were supposed to and judicial notice is basically saying well yes we acknowledge
00:15:48.520the grass is green, water is wet, and the vaccines are safe and effective. And so anytime somebody
00:15:54.000tried to argue that these vaccines might be dangerous, that, because of the judicial notice,
00:16:00.280that would immediately be thrown out, correct? Well, we did have a case in Saskatchewan where
00:16:06.040Justice Michael McGaw, who, by the way, was appointed by Harper, not by Trudeau,
00:16:11.100and he took judicial notice, which you described it, right? It's supposed to be
00:16:15.180a tool in the judge's toolbox that's reserved for, you know, if somebody comes into court and
00:16:20.560they're saying gravity is not real or the earth is flat, not round, the judge can say, you know
00:16:25.820what, I'm not going to spend, you know, five days listening to your expert witnesses on this. I
00:16:30.180take judicial notice of, as you said, water is wet and the grass is green and the earth is round,
00:16:37.020not flat, et cetera. But this judge, he abused that. He said that he took judicial notice of
00:16:43.100fact that the vaccine is safe and effective for adults and for children. And he knows this is
00:16:51.100true because the Canada Health and or Health Canada and the Saskatchewan Health Authority
00:16:56.940said so. So if the government says it, I believe it, that settles it. It's sort of a,
00:17:03.540it was just absolutely obscene. And we saw a lot of the courts, including the Supreme Court of
00:17:11.300Canada, where the chief justice issued an announcement that every judge on the bench
00:17:15.900had been injected with COVID vaccine, which is horrible because if you, let's say that you got
00:17:22.160fired from your job because you didn't want to take the vaccine. And let's say you had a medical
00:17:29.000exemption from a doctor who said the vaccine would be bad for you, or maybe you had a religious
00:17:33.220exemption or maybe whatever, but you've got a court case. You're supposed to be going before
00:17:37.580a court that's impartial. And now the chief justice of the court has declared that every
00:17:42.760judge on the bench has been injected with the COVID vaccine. How can you expect to get a fair
00:17:48.360hearing and have a fair shot at winning your case? That's a very interesting point you bring up. I
00:17:55.460got two tickets here in Manitoba, I'm going to say it was three years ago, during the rallies when
00:18:01.400the lockdowns were heavy and all of the regulations would change from one day to the next. You can
00:18:06.280hug people you can not hug people you can have a gathering of 2 000 no next day you can have a
00:18:11.520gathering of only 20 you can have three people over no five people you remember that and um i
00:18:16.820got two tickets uh two weekends in a row for being photographed hugging somebody at a rally
00:18:23.580right now so when i went to court which was a year later or more actually 13 months later
00:18:31.720the the courtroom is now all the mandates are gone at this stage of the game right and no mask
00:18:38.740there's nothing but the courtroom still had the big plexiglass up and the judge came out wearing
00:18:46.020a mask and i thought i haven't got a chance here i represented myself it was only a couple of
00:18:51.000tickets but i thought what the heck i'll give it a try and the second i saw her walk in with this
00:18:56.140mask on and these plexiglass shields up by when I haven't got a chance. Now, what should I have done
00:19:01.940correctly in that situation, aside from argue the case? Could I have said, I believe that the judge
00:19:07.520is prejudiced in this case based upon the screens and the mask a year after the mandates have been
00:19:13.820let down? Well, certainly the mask, you could say, I want this judge to recuse herself. I think she's
00:19:21.840biased, and she's showing a bias by wearing a mask. The plexiglass would have been something
00:19:26.220that was, unless it was her personal request for the courtroom that she would be in, but typically
00:19:32.600the judges go into, you know, any number of different courtrooms, so that the plexiglass
00:19:37.020would have been probably instituted there by the court with the, you know, approval of the chief
00:19:43.520justice of the court. So that wouldn't be grounds for bias against a specific judge,
00:19:51.480But certainly the mask, you can ask a judge to recuse.
00:19:54.980And then the judge herself will rule on that motion.
00:19:58.980And if she does recuse herself, you probably have to reschedule.
00:20:02.740Like you can't, you're not going to get a trial the same day.
00:20:07.160You know, it's going to be rescheduled to a different date.
00:20:10.940She could rule to say, no, I'm not recusing myself.
00:20:13.740Me wearing a mask is not indicative of any kind of bias.
00:20:17.360I'm just somebody that, you know, cares about her health.
00:20:20.460I suppose you could argue that because even before all of this nonsense started and the reason I can say this now is because the other day I saw somebody wearing a mask in their car still like the other day it's 2025 it was 35 degrees that day I thought she was going to suffocate in that car but you know it's funny because you would see people the odd person before all of this nonsense started wearing a surgical mask in a grocery store or Walmart or something but it would be like one in a million and you look at that person and go what are you
00:20:50.440some kind of a nut you remember when michael jackson was was wearing the surgical masks for
00:20:55.780a time i used to think what this guy's crazy man like it's it's insane uh and so you would see that
00:21:03.280so i suppose she could argue that i'm just somebody who's trying to watch out for my health
00:21:07.560and the health of others but we do know that that masks don't do that um how come there have been so
00:21:14.260many rulings john in this country uh that the people have won cases when it comes to mandates
00:21:21.760lockdowns restrictions vaccines and all of that based upon loopholes but it's never really been
00:21:27.240tried at least in canada i know it's been happening in the united states to actually say
00:21:32.480that no these things were not safe and effective now that the judicial notice has been dropped
00:21:37.900and that the masks never worked and there's mountains of evidence to back that up years
00:21:44.820and years of it as a matter of fact as opposed to the last four years where they were saying oh
00:21:49.680suddenly all of a sudden the big 180 degree turnaround masks did work right like why doesn't
00:21:55.840that work in canada like for real you know this is my belief this is my freedom of thought this
00:22:00.880is in the constitution i can say i'm not convinced this vaccine is is safe and effective and based on
00:22:06.480that, I don't want to take it. Well, partial answer to your question, I wrote a book called
00:22:13.380Corrupted by Fear. And in Corrupted by Fear, I review some of the rulings. And my thesis is that
00:22:20.440the judges, like so many other Canadians, got frightened out of their wits. They were terrified
00:22:26.540out of their minds with the daily, in fact, hourly media propaganda, showing scary photographs of
00:22:34.460dead people dying people corpses coffins body bags and you got this you know every day every
00:22:41.960hour of every day you get these scary visuals of of uh of death and and dying people and and you
00:22:49.880know that that reaches our our heart and our gut uh way before anything can penetrate our minds
00:22:56.720and then you had the this fear-mongering you had the likes of uh neil ferguson in with imperial
00:23:02.740College London in the United Kingdom, and he said COVID was going to be like the Spanish flu of
00:23:07.2402018. Tens of millions of people are going to die. The truth and the reality is COVID, according to
00:23:13.920the government's own statistics, if you care to look at them, COVID was a bad annual flu. The
00:23:19.540death rates in 2020, 21, 22, 23 were in line with the death rates in 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016.
00:23:28.420He had a very slow, like a slow increase.
00:23:32.700Manitoba in particular, I look at the death rates.
00:23:35.460COVID had no impact on death rates in Manitoba.
00:23:39.480So yet when the case, the gateway case came before Chief Justice Joyal in Winnipeg,
00:23:46.940and he had former Chief Medical Officer Joel Kettner testified
00:23:51.740and had an expert report that just eviscerated
00:26:08.360And nowhere does he explain why he prefers the Manitoba government's evidence over the evidence that was brought forward by Gateway Bible Baptist Church.
00:26:18.880and other churches and other individuals, he just says, well, the Manitoba government's
00:26:23.280evidence, it was better, it was stronger, it was more persuasive.
00:26:26.860He never explains why he ruled for Manitoba.
00:26:32.760And so in my book, Corrupted by Fear, I look at these court rulings and my thesis is that
00:26:39.060the judges were so terrified by the media fear mongering that they were not taking a
00:26:44.540hard look at the evidence that was placed before the court.
00:26:47.300The judges were not in their right minds, could you say?
00:26:51.320I'm suggesting that, but also admitting up front, I don't truly know.
00:26:56.520I don't know what's in somebody else's heart or mind, but I'm trying to come up with this explanation because normally outside of this context of challenging the government's COVID restrictions,
00:27:09.280normally government judges are extremely careful to disregard what the media is saying.
00:27:14.880right if I'm a judge and I've got a murder trial maybe the newspapers are reporting every single
00:27:20.500day about you know this poor little girl got kidnapped and murdered and blah blah blah blah
00:27:24.860when the case comes before me I have to completely disregard all the media that I've heard in the
00:27:31.560last few weeks the last few months the last few years I have to look only at the evidence presented
00:27:36.300before me in the courtroom by the crown and by the accused person and I have to look only at that
00:27:42.140evidence. And then I have to come up with a ruling. And what the judges did here, like Joyal
00:27:46.700on this gateway case, he wrote that COVID was unprecedented and it was the worst pandemic in
00:27:53.600over a hundred years. Neither claim was supported by evidence before the court. COVID was not
00:27:59.480unprecedented. We had the Spanish flu of 1918, which was many, many multiples more deadly than
00:28:05.620COVID. We had the Asian flu of 1957, which was more deadly than COVID. We had the Hong Kong flu
00:28:11.440of 1968, which was more deadly than COVID. So he's writing falsehoods into his ruling that are
00:28:18.800not supported by evidence. Where else is he getting this from, if not from the media?
00:28:24.840Yeah. Yeah. What's the remedy for that, if any? Can you just appeal, appeal, appeal? And
00:28:29.760this is what they expect you to do. But of course, nobody really has the money for that, right?
00:28:34.960Well, if the appeal court judges are just as terrified of COVID from, you know, watching the
00:28:40.760all day and seeing all the scary photos of the dead people and the dying people and hearing all
00:28:46.780these fake, you know, case numbers and hearing these elevated numbers of COVID deaths, right,
00:28:52.620which is bear no relation to reality. When they hear all of that, my thesis is they're not really
00:29:02.340looking at the evidence with an open mind. The Gateway case shows it. Anybody who takes,
00:29:07.360It would take you several hours to read through it.
00:29:09.340If you read through the case, you will find nowhere does the judge explain why he accepts Manitoba's evidence as more credible, more persuasive than the evidence of citizens.
00:29:21.600There's zero explanation in the judgment.
00:29:24.220All it is is just repeatedly saying, well, Manitoba's evidence, it's better, it's stronger, it's more persuasive, it's better, it's stronger, it's more persuasive.
00:29:33.140because it's the government and i believe that that courts are designed to defer to the government
00:29:39.200in cases like this right in cases like this but you know the opposite you can see the opposite
00:29:44.380as well in in the province of alberta the government uh came out with a new policy about
00:29:49.340a year and a half ago saying that uh children under the age of 16 are not going to be getting
00:29:55.640puberty blockers and they're not going to be getting opposite sex hormones uh the alberta
00:30:00.660government based its decision on the lack of scientific certainty and that the jury is still
00:30:08.320out as to how beneficial or not these treatments are, how much harm they inflict. Other countries,
00:30:14.240Sweden, Norway, Denmark, United Kingdom, on and on and on, they're either moving away from or
00:30:19.300completely rejecting this notion of giving testosterone to girls, giving estrogen to boys,
00:30:25.140stopping their their normal development and so there's an lgbt group uh a gal canada goes into
00:30:33.920court in alberta challenges the alberta government policy and the judge rules in favor of the lgbt
00:30:42.380group and just a completely different standard from the lockdown standard was you know oh we
00:30:48.560respect government you know because if the science is really complicated who am i to disagree with
00:30:53.540this very contested, muddled science. Who am I to disagree with the government? I have to defer
00:31:00.720to the government to let government do what's best. But then on LGBTQ stuff, Daniel Smith's
00:31:07.220government, according to this judge, does not know what's best for kids. And so interim ruling was
00:31:13.940in favor of EGAL Canada. So are we suggesting then that many of our institutions are corrupted
00:31:21.780by the woke mind virus as elon musk calls it i would say yes when you look at the prosecutions
00:31:29.080in winnipeg you probably remember uh july 1st 2021 uh some people commit a crime in broad daylight
00:31:37.760by vandalizing and tearing down a statue of queen victoria at the legislature grounds yes there's
00:31:44.340abundant evidence i how many you know videotapes do they have of the different people i am the
00:31:51.360police do nothing and the manitoba crown announces that they're not going to prosecute any of these
00:31:55.800individuals this is a crime the only property you can legally destroy is your own property that's
00:32:01.780legal you cannot destroy somebody else's property and you cannot destroy public property and so you
00:32:06.760have a crime committed in broad daylight with the vandalism of the statue of queen victoria
00:32:11.560who happened to be the queen when these treaties were signed and the residential aboriginal
00:32:18.120residential schools policy was was first got off the ground she was a colonizer judge she was a
00:32:23.060colonizer she's a colonizer so but then so there's no prosecution there um why because it's it's
00:32:31.120politically correct the regina chief of police attended a um black lives matter rally in blatant
00:32:38.940violation of the existing health orders that were in force at the time where it was illegal to gather
00:32:44.500publicly with more than, I don't know, five people, 10 people, 20 people. They had hundreds
00:32:49.600of people at this rally. Chief of police is present, speaks at the rally. And yet the crown
00:32:55.300in Saskatchewan has very aggressively prosecuted dozens of people, probably hundreds of people
00:33:01.180who violated health orders, but not on the pretext of fighting racism.
00:33:07.040what about that judge in ontario that said i'm not a scientist uh in court i'd like to hear that
00:33:15.020story yeah that's renee pomerantz i talk about her as well in in corrupted by fear so uh the case
00:33:22.320was trinity bible chapel and like many of the covet cases it featured extensive um evidence
00:33:29.140there was expert evidence there were scientists who came in and said you know argued the citizen's
00:33:33.940viewpoint that COVID is not as deadly as the media makes it out to be. These measures are not helpful
00:33:39.640for reducing the spread of COVID. These lockdowns are causing more harm than good, et cetera, et
00:33:47.420cetera. So we had our experts, the government had their experts. And the judge said, I am neither
00:33:55.260equipped nor inclined to resolve scientific controversies regarding COVID-19. And I read that
00:34:01.780And I thought, wow, like if I had said that about the same judge three years earlier in 2019, if I had said Justice Renee Pomerantz is neither equipped nor inclined to resolve scientific controversies in court cases that come before her, I would have had a threatening letter from the Law Society telling me that I was engaging in a vitriolic, over-the-top, unacceptable criticism, public criticism of a judge.
00:34:30.360inappropriate criticism of a judge the law society would have been after me and here she says it
00:34:35.760about herself in a court ruling and it's outrageous because this very same judge in criminal cases in
00:34:41.980medical malpractice suits in contract cases she's been resolving scientific controversies in the
00:34:47.720courtroom every day for years and now it's covid and all of a sudden it's like well i'm not going
00:34:53.000to resolve i just can't resolve scientific controversies and therefore i just rule in
00:34:58.040favor of the government. The government can do whatever it wants if the government says that
00:35:02.320it's a crisis. And we know it's a crisis because the media said so. I'm paraphrasing. She didn't
00:35:07.600say these words in the ruling. But you can see she's a very fear-filled, fear-driven judge who
00:35:14.340is just going to defer to the government because she believes that COVID is something like the
00:35:20.380Spanish flu of 1918. Yeah, it's amazing to me. So now that we've got all of this new evidence
00:35:26.720regarding everything that you've said in the past half hour or so,
00:35:30.280that COVID was not nearly as dangerous as the media was making it out to be
00:35:34.660and certain doctors and certain scientists, not just in Canada but worldwide.
00:35:38.760Not to mention, maybe now the judges have had a little bit more time
00:35:42.900to pull their heads out of their asses and get rid of some of that fear
00:35:46.240so that they could make a more rational and balanced decision.
00:35:50.200Do you think it would be worthwhile to maybe go back and try again in some way?
00:35:55.980I'm sure somebody could vaccine injuries, for example, you know, I mean, there's there's so many people out there who have been having a whole bunch of vaccine injured folks on the show tomorrow night.
00:36:05.380And I'm wondering if there's a way to go and get them some kind of support in court.
00:36:11.440yeah well i the the justice center is not uh involved in in these lawsuits for damages
00:36:20.900we try we try to focus on the constitutional issues and get a court ruling that a government
00:36:25.720policy is an unjustified violation of one or more of the freedoms of uh conscience religion
00:36:32.720expression association peaceful assembly and so on but i do wish the those uh court actions well
00:36:39.380I hope that they succeed. And I think they would have a better chance of succeeding, I would think, than some of our court actions that we launched in 2020, 2021, in the middle of all this media propaganda with a false narrative that COVID is making COVID out to be far, far worse than what it actually was.
00:37:01.680Right now, if you're doing the vaccine litigation, you don't have this media narrative influencing judges the way that you would have three, four years ago.
00:37:14.300And so, but we did win in the Hillier case in Ontario, the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled that struck down as an unjustified violation of the freedom of peaceful assembly, an Ontario government ruling where it was illegal for even two people to gather together outside.
00:37:40.680They could for prayer, but not for a political protest.
00:37:44.000It was illegal for two people or five people, whatever, to be outside together for a peaceful political protest.
00:37:53.620And so the Ontario Court of Appeal actually said that that was an unjustified violation and the government had not proven its case in court.
00:38:00.700So we did get, you know, we did get a favorable ruling in that.
00:38:05.400Not coincidentally, that's a ruling that came out in April.
00:38:10.200I think it was April of 2025. So, you know, two or three months ago.
00:38:14.340Yeah, I had Randy on talking about that. And then he said, because I said, well, wasn't there still like this horrible, deadly virus out there?
00:38:20.720And he said, yeah, but this was, as he put it, it was a blanket ban on meeting, as he just pointed out.
00:38:27.560And it wasn't selective, right? It wasn't like, well, you can have 20 people, but not 30 and so on and so on.
00:38:33.480So that's how I think a lot of the provinces got away with these mandates.
00:38:36.400By the way, you know, one of the big questions during all of this nonsense in the past few years, and people still debate it today, is, is there a difference between a law and a mandate in terms of enforceability?
00:38:48.960no uh the government you mentioned in your intro about trump taking on the deep state
00:38:57.560one feature of the deep state it's not a word i use very often but but there are
00:39:02.860tens of thousands hundreds of thousands possibly millions of regulations in canada if you look if
00:39:09.340you add up all the provincial regulations for 10 provinces and federal everything from you know
00:39:16.120how a barber shop, you know, how big is the sink supposed to be that you get your hair
00:39:22.340ritzed in and everything to do with cars and transportation and food safety and medicine
00:39:28.680and health and drugs and, you know, on and on and on and on. And those regulations all have the same
00:39:37.360force of law as a piece of legislation that was actually voted on by the Legislative Assembly
00:39:45.160Manitoba or the federal parliament. But we've developed this deep state whereby the MPs or
00:39:54.200provincially the MLAs, they will vote on a bill and the bill will say A, B, C, D, and it'll have
00:39:59.360various provisions. And they look at the provisions, hopefully, and debate them. And so you've got
00:40:05.200the assent of the people. The people's representatives will vote it into law.
00:40:12.480almost every bill says the lieutenant governor in council may make regulations regarding
00:40:19.120whatever and now you've got the power given to the provincial cabinet um to make regulations
00:40:28.660which have the same force of law as a law that's voted on by the mlas but the provincial cabinet
00:40:33.960can say uh you know for some transportation safety they can say well you know we're going
00:40:39.760to extend this to apply to trucks that have six wheels and not just trucks that have 18 wheels
00:40:45.080whatever they can change all these regulations without any public scrutiny or public accountability
00:40:50.320and that is a challenge that we face because they do have the same force of law as the legislation
00:40:57.900passed in the legislative assembly i didn't realize you know i didn't realize that provinces
00:41:02.920had the ability to do orders in council like the federal government does that's that's fascinating
00:41:07.360I want to talk about human rights for a moment here because Manitoba has instituted in these past couple of months a new code in the human rights code.
00:41:19.380Whereas if you misgender somebody and it's intentional, you could receive a $20,000 fine and maybe time in jail.
00:41:27.220And I think that's absolutely ridiculous.
00:41:29.100But you've got a case here that we talked about before we went on the air tonight about a nurse filing complaints.
00:41:34.620I would imagine this is a human rights complaint against Vancouver Coastal Health and B.C. College of Nurses and Midwives for political discrimination.
00:43:07.100We spent, I don't know how much it was, $20,000, $10,000 to get an expert witness in at this hearing to explain that there are only two genders.
00:43:16.620Because, you know, this needs to be proven now.
00:43:19.060You need to have experts to try to prove that point.
00:43:21.780anyway uh after the college ruled that she was guilty of professional misconduct right this is
00:43:27.920her regulatory body the bc college of nurses and midwives after she was found guilty of
00:43:35.740professional misconduct over what she said on twitter then her employer vancouver coastal health
00:43:41.740fired her and so now um one of the remedies i mean her amy ham and her lawyers are looking at
00:43:49.520different you know legal avenues but but one of them is to follow the human rights complaint to
00:43:55.220say that the uh vancouver coastal health uh is violating her human rights by discriminating
00:44:01.480against her on the basis of her belief and political opinion which to my knowledge is a
00:44:06.900protected ground of discrimination in british columbia so you cannot discriminate against
00:44:11.820another person based on their political belief not every province has that ground of of discrimination
00:44:46.220I know our litigation director told me that when it comes to prosecuting COVID tickets, he says Saskatchewan was the worst province in Canada.
00:44:56.300They were very, very aggressive, which is kind of weird because Saskatchewan was the first province in Canada to get rid of lockdowns.
00:45:02.640And you had a non-NDP government there that was, mind you, NDP, non-NDP didn't make much of a difference during lockdowns.
00:45:10.920But, you know, so, no, we win cases, we lose cases all over the place.
00:45:18.200And it's, I couldn't tell you which province is better or worse.
00:45:24.340Getting back to Amy Hamm for a second, is she still in the middle of litigation or is her case settled now and ruled on?
00:45:32.200She's just filed recently the human rights complaints and she is unemployed.
00:45:38.520And you know what saddens me the most is if there had been a thousand other nurses in
00:45:44.160British Columbia that had gone on Twitter and said, I stand with Amy, there are only
00:45:49.420two genders, I am a registered nurse in British Columbia, if you had a thousand nurses do
00:45:54.280that, which wouldn't be that hard, because I don't know how many nurses they have, but
00:45:57.280they have thousands and thousands of nurses, and I'm sure that more than half of the nurses,
00:46:02.060I bet you 70%, 80%, 90% of the nurses in British Columbia agree with Amy Ham.
00:46:07.860there are only two genders women are are entitled to safe spaces and yet to my knowledge there it
00:46:14.240would have clogged up it would have shut down the college how could they start prosecuting a thousand
00:46:18.800nurses who all went on twitter to say you know we stand with amy ham and uh you know this is how
00:46:26.420freedom dies in canada it's by people uh not wanting to do the hard and uncomfortable thing
00:46:33.100you're not practicing the virtue of courage this is a question that i was going to ask you because
00:46:38.340i've asked a lot of people this and i've had this question asked of me so often that i i just don't
00:46:43.740know how to answer it anymore what's it going to take to wake canadians up and make them understand
00:46:49.160what exactly is happening and and the consequences of all this down the road
00:46:53.420well something about human nature tends to make most people quite short-sighted
00:46:58.660And so people tend to get very animated when it's they themselves, when it's my freedom of speech or when it's my paycheck or when it's me getting fired or when it's me that can't leave the country.
00:47:11.260right? People, human nature has always been that way. And I think we've had a cultural decline in
00:47:18.880the last 40, 50 years where you don't have that same appreciation for the free society that we
00:47:27.580would have had, let's say in 1945, we had just fought a war and a lot of Canadians gave their
00:47:33.180lives to fight against fascist Italy and imperial Japan and national socialist Germany. And after
00:47:40.980that we had decades of uh the soviet union which had zero respect for free speech religious freedom
00:47:48.760parental rights property rights what have you so it was kind of stark and it was pretty clear to
00:47:53.320most canadians that we have a free society and it's worth fighting for it's worth defending
00:47:57.480and then you know we won world war ii um and then in 1991 the the soviet empire came
00:48:05.920crumbling down so that's been uh what like 35 years of just kind of having it having it easy
00:48:15.760we've got it too good we've got it too good yeah and and now you get this point where when lockdowns
00:48:21.860were imposed five years ago a lot of Canadians were yeah you know take away make it illegal for
00:48:27.960me to have Christmas dinner with my own parents make it illegal for me to play in team sports to
00:48:34.020hang out with friends at the pub make it illegal for me to travel make it illegal for me to attend
00:48:39.120my grandfather's funeral make it illegal for me to hold the hand of a dying parent
00:48:44.340and let's torture all these uh poorer seniors in long-term care facilities and lock them up
00:48:50.660in isolation for months on end to save them from covid just this whole madness there were so many
00:48:56.780people who supported this that it was really disappointing to to see that lack of love
00:49:03.820for for our our fundamental human rights and constitutional freedoms but they turn it around
00:49:12.360on us and they claim that we're the ones we're the grandma killers we're the ones without
00:49:17.320compassion we're the ones trying to save people by keeping them locked up in their homes and
00:49:22.040Not letting them see their dying parents, as you point out, or their relatives for Christmas or Thanksgiving or Easter.
00:49:28.300And that's the diabolical part of it, or one of the diabolical parts of it that I've found.
00:49:34.220One of the other things is we're noticing a lot of municipal councils across the country try tactics like banning recording of their public meetings.
00:49:43.840And this happened in Manitoba, and it's also happened in Nanaimo, I believe you were talking about before we went live tonight.
00:49:51.100And you guys are involved in those cases, correct?
00:49:56.440The Nanaimo situation, the city of Nanaimo on Vancouver Island, they passed a bylaw that no citizen can video record or audio record public proceedings at city council.
00:51:15.580We don't need a bylaw that makes it illegal for every citizen to take photos of videotapes in a city park.
00:51:25.820So if the city doesn't back down, we will do what we've already done in Springfield, Manitoba, where we have filed a court action because the rural municipality of Springfield also passed a bylaw that there's no video or audio recordings.
00:51:43.580of city council meetings and so our lawyers have filed a court action against that and
00:51:50.480this is going to be precedent setting john because if if they win then all of these
00:51:58.120marxist style municipal councils across the country are going to impose these same laws i
00:52:03.460mean it's already bad enough in certain areas i'm i'm sure you're familiar with the situation that
00:52:07.780counselor lisa robinson and pickering faces and there's a few others uh in alberta and british
00:52:12.960columbia saskatchewan ontario that i've spoken with as well but they seem to be the minority
00:52:18.000on their council and every time they they try to ask a question they get shut down their pay gets
00:52:22.840docked and they become censored so they're not even allowed to ask any questions anymore i mean
00:52:28.660what is going on exactly here well the one of my favorite sayings is that the only thing necessary
00:52:36.360for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing if i had way too much apathy for school
00:52:42.540board elections, people say, ah, you know, I have a school board election, you know, it can't be
00:52:46.440bothered to vote. Voting turnout for school board elections, depending on which city is, you know,
00:52:51.52010%, 15%, maybe 20%, but it's very low. And then municipal elections, you have this very low
00:52:58.520turnout. So you get some people that really are hostile to the free society. They don't respect
00:53:09.340freedom of speech at all. They feel entitled to silence anybody who disagrees with them.
00:53:14.460They don't respect freedom of association. They don't respect the private property
00:53:18.740of citizens, et cetera. They don't respect the free society and they get into positions of
00:53:24.380authority and then they use that authority to advance their agenda. And Canadians who love
00:53:31.280freedom need to let go of this victim mentality. Oh, we're just, we're these victims of this
00:53:37.360horrible school board that's pushing, you know, transgender ideology on kids. We're the victims
00:53:43.560of this horrible city council that's doing horrible things. It's like, well, no, roll up your
00:53:48.160sleeves, get involved in the democratic process, run for a school board, run municipally. And if
00:53:55.860the first time you lose, you fall flat on your face, well, pick yourself back up and go at it
00:53:59.800again. Because the second time that you run, you will have all this experience that you've acquired
00:54:04.140on knowing what to do and what not to do.
00:54:45.340And, you know, I think that if they hear enough,
00:54:49.520John, I'm hearing even from people on the left
00:54:52.640that this seven-year ask the Crown wants for Tamara
00:54:56.160and eight years for Chris is absolutely ridiculous.
00:54:59.920I mean, why would they do such a thing on such short notice?
00:55:02.780They only sent this out on Friday, I think Tamara posted that.
00:55:07.860I think the entire prosecution has been a misuse of resources.
00:55:12.460In the province of Ontario, there have been dozens and dozens and dozens of people who stood accused of murder, rape, violent assault or aggravated assault, serious crimes.
00:55:26.300and those they were not brought to trial because the Supreme Court says for serious crimes they
00:55:34.060have to be tried within 30 months and the Crown said that the Crown prosecutors in Ontario have
00:55:40.200stated publicly we have to let these accused murderers and accused rapists walk away scot-free
00:55:47.720without a trial because we just don't have the resources to bring these matters to trial
00:55:52.500and yet they've got resources to go after a Chris Barber and a Tamara Leach.
00:55:58.460I mean, there was something, I forget the number, 35 days.
00:56:04.620I've forgotten the number, but it was many, many weeks of trial.
00:56:08.800And it cost the Crown, I don't know how much it cost,
00:56:12.860but it was a huge amount of resources put into getting a conviction for mischief,
00:56:17.880which ordinarily, you know, if you vandalize somebody's car or if you physically obstruct somebody from, you know, if you're walking down the sidewalk, I physically obstruct you, that's obstruction.
01:01:34.280What is certain is that Tamara Leach robbed an awful lot of people the wrong way.
01:01:42.380And of course, myself, I'm a fan and admirer of Tamara Leach.
01:01:46.520I mean, other people see her, I think, appropriately and justifiably as a hero for taking the leadership position, having suffered an enormous amount.
01:01:55.060I mean, 49 days in jail, just horrific.
01:01:59.060You know, there's people that are accused of very serious crimes that are walking away.
01:02:05.120They get fingerprinted and they're out on bail.
01:02:08.980And, you know, she had to spend so much time in jail, 49 days in total.
01:04:38.840You know, police told the trucks where to park.
01:04:41.240But there's no doubt in my mind, if Chris Barber was a dark-skinned, Aboriginal Muslim lesbian who had devoted his life to trying to control the climate and had done a similar protest in Ottawa that caused an equal amount of inconvenience,
01:04:57.020uh they would not be after him uh the legal establishment would not be prosecuting him
01:05:03.080but he is the uh you know the wrong gender the wrong sexual orientation the wrong skin color
01:05:10.660and worst of all uh he's he's the wrong politics you know he did not get with the program he was
01:05:17.440not a good canadian that you know put on their mask and obeyed these utterly unscientific measures
01:05:23.720and and got themselves injected he's one of the bad guys so um that's can i prove that no can
01:05:32.720somebody else disprove it no i mean this is this is speculation but we do see hard evidence when
01:05:37.740you look at the manitoba crown prosecutors not going after those vandals who destroyed or at
01:05:43.340least vandalized a statue of queen victoria in broad daylight they were not prosecuted that's
01:05:49.660political if you want evidence to China chief of police. Yeah. Two tier system. It's a two tiered
01:05:56.840system. Yeah. Evidence that exists. We could go on all night, man. I'd love to have you back if
01:06:02.300you're willing to come back and have another discussion or continue this one. You're a great
01:06:07.580guy to have on, a great guy to talk to, very knowledgeable. And how can I find your book,
01:06:11.840by the way? How can we all go looking for your book? So Corrupted by Fear, it's on Amazon. So
01:06:17.280just google amazon.ca carpe c-a-r-p-a-y uh corrupt well it's my only book so
01:06:24.260so we don't have to go through a mountain of books and it's it's 25 dollars it's available
01:06:31.000in audiobook as well if you want to listen to it while you're going for a walk or gardening or
01:06:39.220or going to the gym whatever the audiobook is available there's a kindle version and then
01:06:44.340there's a regular paperback and it's $25. And, um, it's a, it's a bestseller on, on Amazon
01:06:52.080for, uh, for Canadian, uh, books. I'm going to go pick that up, John. Thank you very much for
01:06:57.720joining the show tonight. Please come back, have a great night and we'll talk to you again soon.
01:07:02.360Talk to you again. Thanks for having me on your show. Okay. Thank you. There is John Carpe,
01:07:06.420the president of the justice center for constitutional freedom. So tomorrow night,
01:07:11.480guys we have more guests coming on vaccine injured and they're going to tell their stories
01:07:17.480and then on thursday night we had the offer uh sorry have the author of this book uh who was
01:07:22.320recently in winnipeg and i had the pleasure of having lunch with him on saturday afternoon at
01:07:26.800the hotel fort gary downtown where i literally bumped into john travolta who is in the city
01:07:33.560filming a movie or something i didn't know it at the time uh but i found out later on so
01:07:38.680our guest on thursday night who is in ottawa now and we'll be covering the uh the sentencing
01:07:45.040hearings of uh tamara leach and chris barber is ray mckinnis he is the author of this book called
01:07:50.960unjustified so that's thursday night tomorrow night vaccine injuries and we're going to try
01:07:55.960and get chris carbert on the show wednesday night so it's kind of packed that's it for the show
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