00:20:24.400So when I was talking to my drug and alcohol counselor about that,1.00
00:20:28.320and then I started talking about, you know, gender stuff,
00:20:30.880like I don't feel comfortable as a woman.
00:20:33.260I used to always think it was better to be a boy.
00:20:36.100She was an affirmations-only model.0.81
00:20:38.440So she spoke into that, that, well, of course, the reason you're uncomfortable in a woman's support recovery house is because you never really were a woman.
00:20:47.300No, the reason I was uncomfortable in a woman's support recovery house is because I am different.
00:23:54.260And I so desperately wanted to be done with therapy, like 10 and a half months of the inpatient drug and alcohol treatment, trauma therapy, alcohol and drug therapy, like therapy after therapy after therapy.
00:24:16.780And this is like, you do this and you won't need therapy anymore, right?
00:24:21.900and it was like yeah okay i will be done with therapy so i drank the kool-aid hard and every
00:24:30.040once in a while i'd spit it up a bit when i spit it up the first time it was like oh that's
00:24:36.260internalized transphobia and that would have been when i was talking about how
00:24:42.300like i never felt a need to force people to call me kenneth i never felt a need to force people
00:24:50.980to call me he. If somebody still referred to me as Kelly, if some people still referred to me as
00:24:57.720she, my sister always called me her baby sister throughout it all. And I didn't have a problem
00:25:06.100with that. I was like, well, she's my sister. This is how she sees me. What does how she sees
00:25:10.520me have to do with who I am? So I was told that that was internalized transphobia, that I hadn't
00:25:16.880fully accepted myself as male. And that once I was, as I learned to accept myself, that I would
00:25:24.580become more upset about this stuff, and I would start correcting these people. And the best thing
00:25:28.880for me to do is just not to have anything to do with anyone who wasn't affirming my process. I
00:25:35.080mean, I disappeared from my family's life for almost two years. During the early part of the
00:25:42.700process um i really came back into their lives after i'd had the hysteria so how long was it
00:25:50.900between you finally deciding because you're in therapy you wanted to get out you said
00:25:56.280and i'm sure that you would have done anything at that point because it sounds like what it
00:26:02.500sounds like to me is that you were trapped in a cult and you were doing what you could to get
00:26:07.880away from the cult but you had to transform into their version of what you should be in order to
00:26:12.340do that if i i know how weird that sounds but you make the decision to go ahead and transition
00:26:19.300how long between that decision and your first surgery was it
00:26:24.220oh it was so hyper focused because at that time they had what we call barriers to care
00:26:33.840so it was get a carry letter it was get your six months in to be able to get referred to get
00:26:41.200your wrong sex hormones it was get the um appointment to get the wrong sex hormones
00:26:47.760then it was get assessed for your first surgery it i was always hyper focused on the next step
00:26:56.020in the process and that really helps too like i i live with um
00:27:04.660well for lack of a better word depression um so being hyper focused on hop through this next
00:27:15.200hoop hop through this next hoop hop through this next hoop you could put all of the self-doubt
00:27:20.260and all of the negative talk that comes with what the are you doing aside by hyper focusing
00:27:27.760on the next step. And I was also, I was working full time, and I was completing my university
00:27:37.400degree at the same time as all of this other stuff happened. So I could always, I always had
00:27:45.500something to hyper focus on. I was either hyper focusing on being a straight A student, writing an
00:27:50.940essay, preparing for the next step in my transition. I got really involved in trans
00:27:57.380advocacy. I'm not proud of any of the stuff I did. It's part of my history. So what did you do?0.99
00:28:04.600I was involved with getting the female genital mutilation surgery approved for MSP funding in
00:28:14.520BC. Yeah, the doctors weren't sending in referral requests to MSP. They were like, well, the surgery
00:28:25.020isn't approved. Therefore, there's no point in sending in the request. So I explained to them
00:28:35.560after consulting with a lawyer that they just needed to start sending in the request so that
00:28:43.820the possibility of a human rights complaint would exist and that, um, then actual leading
00:28:53.980legal proceedings could happen. And eventually enough women had a doctor send in the request1.00
00:29:00.900that BC MSP agreed to fund that surgery. Once BC MSP agreed to fund that surgery, I forget which
00:29:11.280province stepped up afterwards but it was like a domino's effect
00:29:14.920let me ask you i mean back this is back in what 2005 2006 there about right
00:29:21.6002006 to 2009 i was involved in that process like it was a multi-year process it was 2016 i think
00:29:30.300when msb and bc finally was like okay the not the magic number has been hit we'll fund this process
00:29:37.880So let's go back to your transition process and your counseling process, which, let's say 20 years ago, that was, were there as many people involved in all of this stuff back then as there are today, and we just didn't know about it?
00:29:59.400And when I talk about people, I mean, I'm talking about advocacy groups, I'm talking about funding, I'm talking about anybody who's involved in any of these clinics now.
00:34:03.600It's easy to say something is incredibly rare, especially when the person who has experienced that depth of regret is not around to speak to the depth of regret they've experienced.
00:34:15.840And the majority of people who regret their transition left completely.
00:34:24.000um and w path in no way makes made any attempt to track 100 of a population as far as outcomes went
00:34:36.760the other thing they've hyper focused on doing is keeping their follow-up research at under 10 years
00:34:46.380under five years under two years so wait a minute wait a minute i mean if that's the case
00:34:51.840then how can they get up in front of people and say it's less than 1% of 1% of 1% of people who regret the transition and want to change back?
00:35:01.940How can they even have the nerve to say that?
00:35:04.380The same way they have the nerve to say that the Cass report is unscientific,
00:35:12.080When WPATH itself had several internal research reviews done that said that – and their internal reviews said that transitioning children does not help, and what they did was the best they could to bury and suppress that.
00:35:29.500That's coming out in the lawsuits down the states right now.
00:35:34.420WPATH will tell any lie to promote its agenda, and it seems like no lie is too big of a lie.
00:35:42.080Hmm. And they in the WPATH files, it came out that they know there's a link between women taking testosterone and liver cancer.
00:35:57.060Like they sit in this. I have watched the video where these doctors are sitting there discussing that.
00:36:04.000And it's like, should we do anything? Well, yeah.
00:36:07.640but if we research it, people might think that transitioning children's a bad idea.
00:36:12.920Liver cancer seems to be a pretty bad idea to me. I live with type 2 diabetes. I now know that
00:36:21.700my obesity, as well as my taking testosterone, played a factor in my developing type 2 diabetes.
00:36:30.140It greatly multiplied the likelihood. And yet, that's not something that was even suggested
00:36:36.500when i started transitioning what the doctor said at that time was the w path line which was
00:36:44.580well half the human population is on testosterone so it really shouldn't be any different you'll
00:36:50.120have the same risks as any other man out there no every cell in my body was designed at conception
00:36:59.380determined by my dna that it wants to run under a very specific hormonal bath i say determined
00:37:06.420by your DNA because everyone's DNA is different and you get your differences in sexual development
00:37:11.360that's all DNA. So changing that is like burning gasoline in a diesel engine. The cellular
00:37:21.720metabolism is running at the wrong speed. Men who take estrogen, it's devastating to their
00:37:31.060emotional health because your body your brain is designed to operate under a very specific
00:37:40.120hormonal bath when you've got those neurons under the wrong hormonal bath they're burning at the
00:37:45.200wrong speed it's why these men are so incredibly emotive and then they can just be explosive in
00:37:52.800their rage and in their upset and in their self-righteous justification of the things
00:37:58.280that they do because they feel their emotions so much more intensely and differently kelly i want
00:38:06.380to play you a video that was sent to me today and this is we're not going to play the whole thing
00:38:12.500here it's three minutes long but this person uh who is obviously a man dressed up as a woman
00:38:18.980is following a woman around uh based upon some slight that this woman who's got the camera
00:38:27.880I did to this guy so I'm going to play this video for you and I'm going to ask
00:38:33.040you about it in just a little bit here we go here
00:38:44.620you're looking for problems and you're purposely antagonizing me so I'm gonna give you a minute and then I'm gonna call the cops
00:38:52.620because you're you was going in that direction and now you're following me to this location0.93
00:38:58.040and i'm going to stand here for one minute you antagonize me okay what's your name you're a0.98
00:39:02.960black woman calling a cop on a trans woman and i just want you to think what's your name i want0.99
00:39:06.920you to think about that okay i i you're a black woman calling a cop go ahead on a trans woman0.99
00:39:12.360continue to walk and i want you to think about that we're at 37 seconds i'm going to pray for0.97
00:39:16.540you i'm going to hang because i i'm going to stop recording at one minute and i'm going to call the0.65
00:39:20.700cops if you're still in my area i haven't offended you in any way on the sidewalk with your body1.00
00:39:25.020you hit me it honey it's not honey anymore bitch it's not honey it's not honey bitch we're just1.00
00:39:33.820gonna patiently wait for the cops yes we are this is getting you're a hypocrite you're a liberal1.00
00:39:39.900more aggressive okay so uh we don't need to see any more of that mental illness kelly i mean you0.99
00:39:50.000You were just talking about that, and I thought, wow, what a great time to play this.
00:39:56.940Is everybody, is every male who takes estrogen affected mentally this way?
00:40:01.620That they feel, and I'm sure there's more to it than a case of whatever psychosis this
00:40:08.720person has, maybe they feel empowered by their community, and maybe they feel empowered by
00:40:12.880all of these new laws and rules that are being established by certain states and provinces
00:40:18.200and governments, federal, provincial in Canada.
00:45:42.680why her colleagues were just flabbergasted that she had made the complaint.
00:45:47.520And she also couldn't understand why, when she was assured that her complaint would be anonymous, everybody figured out it was her.
00:45:58.780So it was things like this that just really drove home to me how men are different.
00:46:07.000Because a man in that situation would have gone directly to the mechanic, Ron, and said something.
00:46:14.380that's how men handle if they find if they find a man has been has behaved inappropriately yeah
00:46:23.040we handle it amongst ourselves yes yes men very much police the behavior of other men in a
00:46:31.940situation like that like if a guy was upset with how one of the drivers behaved towards his wife
00:46:37.920or be mostly it was towards his daughter um because you know we're talking a career where
00:46:43.700most people are in their 50s to 60s so generally it was daughters in their 20s to 30s they didn't
00:46:49.940appreciate how a driver treated her they will go directly to the driver and tell him that
00:46:55.300because that's how men handle stuff like this right so where are the men now when we need them
00:47:01.180the most to stand up against all of the nonsense that's going on in the world right now it seems to
00:47:06.520me you know and and there's many men that i've spoken to in the last few years uh about this
00:47:12.120very thing and they're going if anybody's going to save us it's going to be the women but really
00:47:17.840men should be standing up and trying to protect their their wives and their children as much as
00:47:23.600possible and yet they don't seem to be there what the hell's going on some men are standing up
00:47:29.760there's become a very popular bumper sticker down in the united states i've seen a couple copies of
00:47:34.820But now it's some version of if you follow my daughter or wife into the woman's bathroom, you're going to need this bathroom.
00:47:43.900But it's just basically saying that we see you, you know, and there's some video clips that are start coming out where men are actually telling these men.
00:47:57.720They're talking to the men on estrogen going, yeah, no, sorry, you cannot go in there.
00:48:02.460and um it's being visible and telling them in public that you can't do that and stepping into
00:48:12.280the willingness to be called you know whatever names you're going to get called um yeah you
00:48:21.980gotta you gotta be ready for that you gotta be ready ready for that alphabet army that's going
00:48:27.220to come after you right yeah that's another thing i wanted to ask you as well like how well organized
00:48:32.760really is that trans tifa army and how many of them are there they are well funded in canada by
00:48:43.060the federal government um faye johnstone is one of the uh ringleaders he operates i believe he's
00:48:51.160physically in ontario um didn't he win the women he won the woman of the year award in regina last
00:48:58.780year i think i remember seeing that post on exit i just said you're a dude yeah yeah i can't follow
00:49:07.600some of the stuff too closely um because i'll just get too tied up and responsive with it emotionally
00:49:14.940But, yeah, he won something here in Canada that was specific for women.
00:49:21.860But they are also starting to lose control of their followers because Faya specifically told his followers that they got – I'm trying to remember exactly how he worded it.
00:49:35.040I'm paraphrasing it here, but we have to stop being so, we have to stop assaulting people in our nonviolent counter protest because the average individual is starting to see us as violent.
00:49:52.260We're losing ground with the general public because they're seeing us as the problem.
00:49:56.840But when you say they're well-funded by the federal government, and I'm sure there's money coming in from other sources also, what are their tactics, aside from online haranguing and all of that, and the counter-protests?
00:50:10.660What else? Will they target businesses? Will they target individuals?
00:50:18.240The woman on Vancouver Island, it was two years ago now, she turned in a convicted sex offender who had been identifying as a woman, accessing the women and children's change room at the Nanaimo Aquatic Center.0.52
00:50:39.900That mother is still being targeted by trans activists on Vancouver Island.
00:50:46.700And it has come out that the man in question was known to the police as having a history of sex offenses against women and children.
00:51:02.460So why weren't the staff at the Nanaimo Aquatic Center charged with aiding and abetting a known sex offender?
00:51:13.460That's my biggest question in all of that.
00:51:15.840none of the staff have ever faced anything and yet the mom there was months where she was wondering
00:51:21.900if she was going to get charged with a hate crime yeah and finally admitted that no we can't charge
00:51:28.180you with a hate crime because he actually did have a record well yeah but i mean we were seeing
00:51:34.700people who you know spin out on those rainbow sidewalks uh with their cars getting charged
00:51:40.400with hate crimes these days even though it's very difficult to prove motive in that let me ask you
00:51:46.060how did how was your life when you were a man or when you were pretending to be one
00:51:50.380i miss the emotional regulation of testosterone i always felt like i was going to be exposed i
00:52:05.360There was always the fear that if I let people get too close to me, then they're going to know what my secret is, and it will change how they see me.
00:52:30.800um i hid in my truck um were you accepted by your co-workers though were you were you accepted
00:52:38.820by your peers as as a man i was seen as male yeah i should have sent you some pictures to uh pop up
00:52:46.740no i saw i saw i saw some on facebook you had a pretty good beard going and i was i was actually
00:52:52.500uh fairly impressed that you looked like you could pull it off pretty well but that's after
00:52:56.560years of of testosterone and whatever else you were ingesting and and of course the hysterectomy
00:53:04.120and and all of those things that would contribute to that right well everything about secondary sex
00:53:10.560characteristics is carried on the x chromosome and as a woman i had two of them so there was
00:53:16.060two metabolic pathways for my body to respond to testosterone um so coming off of it has was
00:53:23.880It's like I ended up with compression fractures in my lower back because my body responded to the absence of the testosterone as intensely as it responded to the presence of it.
00:53:36.660So it was very much a life of hiding and half-truths and evasions and, you know, like, how do I tell this story without people thinking I'm weird?
00:53:53.300like i never really talked about the first guy i ever dated but i talked about the women i dated
00:53:57.060because i did live in same-sex relationships for over 20 years like various relationships but
00:54:03.600um so it was a constant editing of my story and never really getting very close to
00:54:10.720um anyone because they would find out for sure if they saw certain things or
00:54:18.100well stuff confused them about me like i remember having one conversation with the guys we were
00:54:24.360hauling uh oversized loads and they all had to be at the same place same time for unloading
00:54:29.920because there was specialized equipment to unload them so we travel together in a pack when you do
00:54:34.860that just permits and it works out better that way so um when we're laid over for the weekend
00:54:41.160we're all having dinner together and the one guy asked me so ken who are you attracted to
00:54:47.620because you talk about having dated women and yet when i see women flirt with you
00:54:55.640you act as if you have no idea what's going on whatsoever and there had been a woman at work who
00:55:03.380had been interested in dating me and i just kind of pretended i didn't notice um they're like are
00:55:09.400you into guys are you into girls we're just curious because we want to know like you know
00:55:14.140if we're going to point out someone to you we want to make sure you're interested but i confused
00:55:19.880them right so that was something that that's just one example but there were things where
00:55:27.100my responses to like my co-workers were terrified of my temper because they'd never seen me get
00:55:35.620upset about anything so they were like if so one of these days he's gonna blow yeah that's right
00:55:42.280right because that's how a guy in my situation would be they they would be like you're all
00:55:50.320calm and calm until you're a blow right but being a woman it was because the testosterone just kind
00:55:56.860of changed the way i was with my emotions so it changed the way i expressed myself again it changed
00:56:04.440the way i was expressing my emotions so these things about me that confused them
00:56:11.300were the difference between my female socialization and how i behaved under the
00:56:19.000influence of testosterone which is totally different than how a guy would have behaved right
00:56:22.860so how's your transition back been is it been better than the first one first transition
01:05:30.640I believe one of the things we can do is to attempt to defend the existence of sex.0.95
01:05:40.440That's why what's called Referendum 2024.
01:05:44.300So in British Columbia, they're taking the category of gender on birth certificates,
01:05:50.060and they're saying that the category of gender will be tracked under the category of sex.
01:05:55.740And this is how it's going to be reported on the birth certificates.
01:05:59.860So they're eliminating sex and turning this gender identity thing into sex.0.51
01:06:06.540So the first step in that is we're working on sending a letter to BC Vital Stats saying don't do that.
01:06:16.580Gender identity was added to the human rights code under a completely separate category than sex.
01:06:24.280Therefore, however you're going to track gender, you need to keep it completely separate from sex.
01:06:32.940We understand that historically, because these two things didn't exist, that isn't how it was done.
01:06:38.600However, we now have these two categories, and you need to figure out a way as a province of tracking those two things separately.
01:06:48.440We compare gender identity to religious status and say that if you're going to track it, you should track it the same way you would a religious status, because gender identity, like religion, can change over a person's lifestyle.
01:07:04.140Sex, you're born with that, and it remains stable throughout your entire life, like race.
01:07:11.100You are born a member of a specific race or a racial, like I'm Norwegian and Scottish, I've got some Russian in my Norwegian, you know, like it's mixed.0.78
01:07:19.900But that racial mix I will be with for my entire life.0.69
01:07:23.560So we're saying that sex is the same as race.
01:12:18.500Like, I'm not kidding here when I say I want to cover that whole Marxist thing that we talked about yesterday in another show in the next couple of weeks.
01:12:25.260If you have the time, I would love to do that.
01:12:27.600OK, yeah, I will get Melanie to connect with you.
01:12:31.780I think she already I think she already did on X.