00:31:12.240I mean, I couldn't believe that he was saying the things he was.
00:31:14.340They were so rude and disrespectful, and he was literally on our property.
00:31:19.520I kind of knew that we were going to have this interaction because we they had set up the light so that it beamed down towards Karen's house.
00:31:29.820So even just walking from the driveway or driving from the driveway to our place, like it was dangerous for even pedestrians.
00:31:38.900So we were we knew we were going to talk to him about it.
00:31:43.280But this was really shocking, his response.
00:31:46.700Is this the only guy that you had a conversation with about the lights?
00:31:51.060The previous RCMP never shined the lights that way down the road directly.
00:31:56.700They would angle them if they used them.
00:31:59.320Sometimes they wouldn't even have the lights on.
00:32:01.400The lights kind of popped up as a, I called it my punishment light, and they call it an alley light, which is kind of rude, but it's a different alley.
00:32:12.160and then uh they they would shine it angled so that it it would just illuminate me if i left
00:32:19.600the property in the dark at all uh they wanted to see me because i guess i startled them a couple
00:32:25.320times just walking accidentally um so this was a new direction though to point it directly down
00:32:32.480the driveway and pointed where people would be driving it was dangerous at that point it was a
00:32:39.180it was a shift. It was a change. Wow. All right, let's continue.
00:32:43.320I'm trying, I'm trying to give you guys ways.
00:32:49.600I understand that. And we're trying to keep the peace.
00:42:16.780there's people here who take a little mole hill and try and build it into a mountain excuse me
00:42:26.900but you've just seized private property that is not a little mole hill it's kind of a mountain to
00:42:36.760me huge yeah yeah so do you know this guy's name i don't know his name actually that one
00:42:44.820i mean there's there's all sorts we got i think it's we have his badge number
00:42:49.680this lawsuit ali is it name certain members of the rcmp or is it against the organization as a
00:43:00.020whole and the same with the cfia um it doesn't name certain members it's just uh the organizations
00:43:05.680as a whole and then we're i've put in a complaint against one rcmp and kind of they're just
00:43:11.600going to continue on until we're was it against that rcmp or another one a different one yeah
00:43:18.820can you explain what happened in that incident oh well there's an rcmp um sort of the i would
00:43:26.080say he's the would have been my family's liaison rcmp he's he's from the cusp and wait a minute
00:43:32.840wait a minute hold on he's he's a liaison officer i don't think he's a liaison he's actually a
00:43:38.080detachment commander um oh i know who you mean okay yeah he was the one that that interacted
00:43:44.700the most with my family and so i had met with him on september 9th um which is well before they had
00:43:52.000seized anything and i had given him a lot of documents on people being ominous and threatening
00:43:58.380and and violent and harassing rcmp officers and not people who were at the farm right oh no people
00:44:04.940on people just people uh in the town or online right right and so I had given him a ton of
00:44:12.500proof of that and he said that he would file a report for me that he would um request preservation
00:44:22.080of it all and he would interview some people and then he just completely ghosted me and like never
00:44:29.480spoke to me again he looked at my LinkedIn right before he seized my parents property but he
00:44:34.900still never responded to anything ever again about our fears and concerns about that you know it's
00:44:42.260it's interesting because i know that those fears and concerns were going on for as long as the
00:44:50.420situation was being publicized so we can go back a year and a half right well i mean if we go back
00:44:58.820to even february of last year when or january when this first became a thing when the cfia said
00:45:05.640at the beginning all right sorry man but you know what we're gonna have to call your birds
00:45:08.980uh even after all the back and forth and then you know katie started becoming more and more public
00:45:13.960about it and uh the thing became blown up all over the world not just canada but you know at some
00:45:21.460point in the very early goings there were some local social media groups that formed from the
00:45:28.240edgewood area who were talking about you know coming in there in the middle of the night and
00:45:33.100just shooting them themselves oh yeah they made edgewood sniper club stickers and t-shirts and
00:45:39.100birds did did get shot a bird got shot in march and in may as well they were shot dead in the
00:45:46.040night so it's pretty scary what was what was the the locals reaction now i was there for
00:45:52.220a couple of weeks maybe three weeks i think all together and i did see some of it but i don't
00:45:57.080think i was there long enough to really absorb all of it i do know i had one episode where i was at
00:46:04.580the town store there and there was some drunken asshole with a boat who was talking about catching
00:46:10.940he said he caught the avian flu from the ostriches right and i went like did you go to the ostrich
00:46:17.680farm because i'm standing right there and he's yelling all this stuff to people who were on the
00:46:22.300street and i said did you go to the ostrich farm he goes no no man like it's in the air
00:46:27.040i said oh yeah there's they say all sorts of stuff i think there was a the the group facebook
00:46:33.600group that originally started started june 4th um and it was called edgewood uncensored and they
00:46:40.880they i mean if anybody ever spoke positively towards the ostrich farm they would get removed
00:46:48.240or or people would just dogpile on them and harass them and and I mean they would say if
00:46:55.200somebody spoke up and said do you not have anything nice to say they would then throw the
00:46:59.720worst thing that they know about that person any gossip at all they would throw it out publicly
00:47:05.180to shame them so that they would never do it again and then it got to the point where some
00:47:10.060locals would would approach us and say just want you to know that we support you but we can't
00:47:15.700publicly because the people that are involved in those groups they will just pile on them
00:47:22.980so hard and it will just become this public um assault basically this this is the problem with
00:47:28.980people is they just won't stand up for what they know to be right you know this is what we've been
00:47:34.100going through for years yeah but still i mean like you you could stand up and say exactly what did
00:47:39.860they do to you and you know i remember sitting down with your aunt one day we're having coffee
00:47:45.220we're in the kitchen of the house there and she said uh she knew some of the people who were in
00:47:51.480this group she was upset and she was saying this guy here i remember giving him a job when he was
00:47:58.76017 years old and helping him through a very very difficult situation she didn't go into it
00:48:04.400well she did but i'm not going to go into into it here anyway i mean you know your aunt is pretty
00:48:10.680famous around that area for helping people you know feeding people i know yeah and and for the
00:48:18.340town and the whole region to turn on her like this to me was reprehensible but it was it was
00:48:26.260planned that way they wanted that i i think it was organized honestly i it the way it's it popped
00:48:32.120up it wasn't really natural it's not how people naturally gather which you know we have a
00:48:37.160grassroots cause we're familiar with how people sort of gather and support a cause this was not
00:48:42.640natural it it are you talking about the social media groups are you talking about just the way
00:48:47.600the the town the social media groups it was um i mean they they first started this group
00:48:54.920on June 4th and they were immediately um sort of hyping up their their authority which they said
00:49:02.760was a forensic investigator and he had all this information and dirt on the farm and then he just
00:49:09.300spread tons of disinformation there was YouTube videos and and podcasts that he went on where he
00:49:15.440just slandered and and said so much disinformation about my family and these locals watched it and
00:49:23.380they have said uh on the same podcast they've said oh that first youtube video was really
00:49:28.920informative for me and he just he grabbed onto them they they took all the people who are the
00:49:36.480town negative gossip types and they accumulated all of their gossip and then they spread it out
00:49:45.880and it was really organized and it was just relentless every day many times a day they
00:49:53.100would just be spreading disinformation to the locals and i think they just radicalized the
00:49:58.360town they they wanted to eliminate public support and that's they they used a playbook for it it's
00:50:05.540literally like a propaganda it's called astroturf campaign i've learned absolutely totally is it's
00:50:11.420you know and your family was under threat from so many different entities all at one time yeah
00:50:19.120And then they riled up the people in the town who are that way, that would jump to conclusions and could potentially become a violent problem for us.
00:50:31.320So it became really, really scary very fast.
00:50:33.580So back at the beginning of the show tonight, you were saying you were going through some hard times.
00:50:37.560You're not exactly back to where you would like to be emotionally and whatnot.
00:50:43.300Well, especially since it's still happening, these groups.
00:50:46.660yeah still happen like a man was charged with criminal harassment just like a week and a half
00:50:52.560ago if what uh yeah like i don't know this story what tell us there's a a man that that frequents
00:51:01.280the groups he's constantly in these groups um and they kind of encourage and and rile him up
00:51:06.700and he's oh this is the the loop-de-loop guy he's not well and he's got some addiction issues
00:51:14.440i i think and um he's yeah so he recently posted a lot of threats where he said
00:51:22.260we should get some uh save on dumpsters for the to put the grifters bodies in and he was just
00:51:30.100saying it probably about 10 times he would say it in different groups and um and they are laughing
00:51:36.660at his posts they're kind of encouraging and hyping it up and so he got picked up and arrested
00:51:43.880it good is he still in custody is what is he charged he's uh released on conditions but now
00:51:50.080he's breached his conditions so he'll be back um emotionally speaking uh i i'm not sure how often
00:51:58.140you talk to karen katie uh but if you do and i know you're a close family okay every day how is
00:52:07.980everybody doing i i we're all i think everybody that was there like everybody that was there for
00:52:15.000that is is not the same and i'm probably i don't know if they they will be ever again but i know
00:52:21.660for karen and katie and and me and my mom especially um it actually seems to get harder
00:52:27.740the longer it goes without any accountability and any anybody taking responsibility for what was
00:52:34.520done the longer that that goes um the harder it gets because it's just really shocking to have
00:52:41.300this happen and to know that so many things were done so wrong and and just nothing happens i guess
00:52:49.000to them they don't have to even apologize they don't even have to say that they did anything
00:52:54.720wrong and in fact they can continue on egging egging on these groups and and just destroy
00:53:02.120public support as best they can continuously tell us the the response because you you were suing
00:53:09.420cfia rcmp and they've had to respond to you through this lawsuit everything they said is a
00:53:17.140lie right oh well lots of it is is a lie and a lot of it is just i i it just doesn't even make
00:53:25.560sense like they said that there's no proof that we have had any anxiety or distress over what
00:53:31.440happened and no proof that this has actually affected us in any way I think that's typical
00:53:37.920my lawyer warned me that they obviously weren't going to send a defense that said okay we did it
00:53:42.820like they will that's not how that works either but I mean it was offensive the way that they
00:53:47.860denied everything so what's next in the process I mean how long is this going to go on do you think
00:53:54.340i don't know i'm i'm hoping that we can move through this process um when did you first file
00:54:02.480this was it like recently filed february 10th and then they responded may 1st and then we've
00:54:08.780just filed a reply um at the end of may to their response where we just say like that's not true
00:54:15.060and that's not true and that's not true and now we go into disclosure so we so you're going to
00:54:21.060get all of the stuff well hopefully you'll get all of the stuff i mean you're going up against
00:54:25.660a very powerful well-funded government agency right and yeah it's probably daunting you know
00:54:32.580go ahead the difference is like for them this is their job for us this is our life
00:54:38.180so i have energy for this at this point like we want justice
00:54:43.320what was your life like before all of this oh not you even remember
00:54:50.660I don't I I don't I'm having a hard time with that um I don't know who I am now that this
00:54:58.860happened to me my life before was um nothing to do with this I didn't follow political anything
00:55:07.060I was just trying to get through life and through my my day you know I'm um I'm a mother and I um
00:55:15.420you know I just tried to get through life normally and I didn't really bother myself
00:55:24.680with the rest of it I didn't follow anything I was naive I didn't know the government could do
00:55:30.820this kind of harm to people and I didn't know that the media could even lie I thought there
00:55:35.380were rules against that so I was just living ignorant bliss and then I watched the media
00:55:41.200start to lie about my life right in front of me and it was truly the most shocking part of it was
00:55:48.340when they started to actually deceive the public I was really changed by that that CBC special they
00:55:57.060did yeah yeah I mean that's that's one of them one of the shocking things that's one of the
00:56:05.840the ones that got a lot of play in these last couple of months because it was so
00:56:09.820absolutely garbage yeah yeah that was just crazy the fact that they didn't even ask the cfia
00:56:17.040a thing about the violence or that whether they had tested any of them or they didn't ask any of
00:56:24.540the actual questions that canadians wanted asked that was just a hit job it was ridiculous
00:56:30.700have you been back recently to the farm yeah what was it like going back there
00:56:38.800for the first time like first time you went back I know I know that you're in Alberta and it's it's
00:56:43.520a bit of a drive to get back to the farm and I've been back after I'm sorry to interrupt you again
00:56:48.560but I wanted to make a I want to get your first experience back at the farm after everything
00:56:56.740yeah um I think that the most recent time that I was back was was maybe the toughest one the first
00:57:04.260time that I got back it was snowing there was a massive storm so everything was covered in snow
00:57:10.020you couldn't really go around and see everything um it was when the fifth estate came actually to
00:57:16.780to interview there was a few different things going on at that time so it just it it was weird
00:57:23.820to have it be so quiet and not hear the booming is is for me the hardest part because like we are
00:57:33.160used to having ostriches through our yard we can see them and we hear them all the time and now
00:57:38.160it's unbelievably quiet but the more recent time that I went it's springtime it's the time where
00:57:49.640it would it's normal to walk around and I just kept finding myself as I was walking I would find
00:57:55.000myself at that kill pen I didn't plan on ever going there but I kept finding myself there and
00:58:02.140that I went in and it was really really tough we went in with metal detectors and we found
00:58:12.680a lot of bullet casings um it was I mean it's just truly shocking and disturbing that they
00:58:23.460did that and in that tiny little corral they shot them all running for their lives and they did it
00:58:32.420from these hay bales that then they cut the twine and they tipped the hay bales over so that it would
00:58:38.320be really hard for people to clean up and now it's a fire hazard and they have found three live
00:58:44.320rounds in those hay bales so it's yeah just it's a real fire hazard it's really hard to clean up
00:58:52.760and we found the smallest rounds I've ever seen that were used. There's some renderings left
00:58:59.040behind too weren't there after the initial killing culling whatever I mean this was supposed to be
00:59:07.440a hazardous area and they they left blood they they left a lot of possible infectious things
00:59:17.620behind well and they picked up a lot of that hay and they took it over to my parents property and
00:59:23.260they spread it into their roadways so that they could get traction in their vehicles because
00:59:27.920they were all stuck so they they contaminated my parents property as well with all of that
00:59:33.980i mean it's a true contamination because they spread bloody hay on the property um i mean it's
00:59:41.000just gross there was no biosecurity followed there really wasn't it's so offensive that they did this
00:59:48.300and they would say that it's for biosecurity when they disrespected biosecurity at every turn and
00:59:54.000then they would just put out statements to all of canada and say no we're doing perfect biosecurity
00:59:58.820don't worry we're doing great biosecurity everyone it's going great like it was a lie they lied to
01:00:03.760canadians it's no surprise that they lied i mean they're a government agency we know what these
01:00:10.440people do um it's funny the way you were describing yourself the alley before and now the alley after
01:00:19.900um learned a lot i'll bet it's a whole different world isn't it yeah it really is and just having
01:00:29.800talked to so many people too like supporters and people who've reached out and and the people who
01:00:34.520really get it are the people who have been harmed by the government and and that's really a tough
01:00:40.840thing to um to take in when you didn't realize it is what about your friends before and and after
01:00:48.280now have you you know because this is not a question i've had the opportunity to ask anybody
01:00:53.160really for quite some time um it usually was asked a lot during freedom convoy and even before that
01:01:00.940when the when the shots first came out or even when you know covid came out you know this show's
01:01:05.680been on for six years and i've had the opportunity to to ask people what was your moment where you
01:01:11.800realized how did your life change and you are a more recent addition to our freedom family now
01:01:21.700welcome it's nice to have you um and i'm sorry you had to be uh dragged in in such a horrible way
01:01:30.560but uh you're here and you've got a family i hope you understand that that that there's people all
01:01:37.660across this country who are supporting uh and caring about you guys you and the entire family
01:01:44.460thank you um have you lost friends have people kind of turned away from you since all of this
01:01:53.400um i don't know if i'm not sure who turned away honestly i'm i'm different and now i've had a
01:02:05.400really hard time talking to anyone, really. I've become really isolated. And part of it is because
01:02:16.060I don't know how to talk to people. And now it feels like every conversation I'm going to have
01:02:23.180with anyone from my life before will be like a reunion, which feels like a lot of pressure,
01:02:28.560because I don't know how to talk to people about what happened because it's so crazy.
01:02:35.880You know what? I'm going to tell you right now that you can't do that. There's no way that you
01:02:42.740can. So let me, let me please say to you that it's okay that you don't, you know, and if you
01:02:49.920want to go back to the people from before, that's all right too. I mean, like, I think everybody
01:02:55.060does that we go back to that but it's different it's different now you know when you go like for
01:03:01.860example you know i'll go out and see buddies of mine that i've known since high school and we'll
01:03:06.640play around a golf or something whatever we don't ever talk about this stuff because if we talk
01:03:12.720about this stuff they're they're going to start calling names and that's where the division comes
01:03:18.360but it is a different dynamic and that's something that you can't expect when you see people from
01:03:25.800back in the day you know in your case it's not even that long ago right
01:03:29.500it's a completely different thing they are people who are still sleeping and you'll notice that
01:03:37.300you'll definitely notice that by the the way they act the things they say they think everything is
01:03:42.220perfectly fine it's not that's the tough one for me it's just because i don't feel like everything
01:03:48.640is fine at all and and a lot you know a lot of people are really supportive of our family and
01:03:55.480and and my friends they are too i think where they were they would you know send support it
01:04:02.540i think for me it was really hard that um people were living their normal life while we were
01:04:08.580fighting for our lives while they were shooting a thousand bullets um it just feels like such a
01:04:14.840disconnect now and and i've had a couple people just say that i'm really different now when i
01:04:21.820see them and and i think that's really giving me a lot of anxiety about talking to people is because
01:04:26.500i think they'll be able to measure before and after ally better than me so what i mean like
01:04:34.420if they say you're different now, I mean, you've grown, your eyes have opened, you can see what's
01:04:39.740going on now. And that gives you everything you need to be able to fight back. Those, those other
01:04:46.060people, they're still sleepwalking through. And, you know, so I don't like saying this, but I also
01:04:55.320do, again, here you are, you're awake now, right? And, and you see it. And as things go on, Allie,
01:05:04.520you're going to see more and more and more. I know that's my experience. And so, you know,
01:05:11.220with the people that we do have, and that number is growing as well, we're going to be able to
01:05:15.460continue fighting back, um, as opposed to getting steamrolled. And you could see that too, with the
01:05:22.440ostrich farm you know as time went on more and more people started to take notice of it
01:05:27.340and wanted to know at the very least wanted to know exactly what was going on and they weren't
01:05:32.800satisfied with the left-wing corporate media story so they started listening yeah so they
01:05:38.740started listening to people like me and others who were who were telling more of the truth
01:05:43.060all sides it's clearly i mean the stuff that they put out on it it's just it's not they had a hard
01:05:50.840job to convince canadians to allow healthy animals be gunned down like people are it's not an easy
01:05:58.980sell and so i think you know what though they they didn't that's the problem because people
01:06:04.260have become so conditioned to believing whatever they say not everybody like i say you know like
01:06:10.160that that number is getting smaller ours is getting larger i have another question for you
01:06:14.140and that is that night because we've been kind of skirting around it a little bit the night that
01:06:18.700had happened were you on the property were you on your property were you able to see through the
01:06:23.760trees yeah yeah well they they beamed us with lights so um we saw them setting up their lights
01:06:32.560on top of the kill pen that morning to shine out at us we were on the property when it when it
01:06:39.620happened and well and it must have been loud too right is it very loud it was sudden and i actually
01:06:47.160i didn't realize what it was until the screaming um and i heard um one of our
01:06:56.160close friends and supporters um she was screaming she has a gun trauma we never thought it would be
01:07:02.900guns we never thought they would be just start shooting them that was really shocking um and
01:07:07.620and so she was screaming and then um katie came out and and i knew they were shooting at that
01:07:14.220point I was just trying to beg her to go inside the house and to be with Karen and when she
01:07:20.480realized that it was gunfire I mean it just all was so bad and my stepdad was was in our property
01:07:31.380and and and I we couldn't like contact each other our phones kept going down we had really bad
01:07:38.920service at the time and um i think they probably put up yeah lockers right oh yeah just at the best
01:07:47.280best times that they could for for us um so yeah the the gunfire was happening um it was it was
01:07:55.200really really disturbing and and fast and then um within the property um i had a drone illuminate me
01:08:04.740from the sky which I didn't even know they could do that and it turned on on me and my stepdad
01:08:10.940and I just started freaking out like I thought that it could shoot me and there was gunfire
01:08:17.660happening and I already have PTSD about gun violence and a gun violence incident from before
01:08:23.740so I was just I thought I was about to die this drone illuminated me and as I was screaming for
01:08:31.080to stop it just shone brighter it turned up brighter and my stepdad called the liaison on
01:08:38.620the phone and and left him a voicemail which they could hear him doing because they could
01:08:42.800they were right on the other side of the trees from us and as soon as he hung up that voicemail
01:08:48.360because that liaison had already said that they would get the drones to back off us as soon as he
01:08:53.700got off the phone um it powered off and it was the most shocking thing for me um to to be
01:09:04.920illuminated from the sky I was frozen I couldn't I couldn't figure out what to do it's all on video
01:09:12.900it was just like the most jarring thing at at the most disturbing time um and it just felt
01:09:21.140like harassment and like they were probably just laughing at us you grew up with these ostriches
01:09:27.100i'm sure yeah yeah like katie too right like i remember having this conversation with katie
01:09:31.580and i you know i said you were a little kid when this ostrich was born this ostrich whichever
01:09:39.060ostrich it was you know like i mean you grew up with this with this ostrich this one particular
01:09:44.740never mind all of the other ones this one here yeah so you get to know their behaviors pretty
01:09:50.360well and then individually too you can tell them apart i i always thought that was interesting you
01:09:56.520know when i first arrived at the farm and you know i i got to see them up as close as i could because
01:10:02.080they had that stupid yellow tape there in front of the fence it's just the stupidest thing um but
01:10:09.500you get as close as you can and you look at them and they look back at you right you go wow man
01:10:13.780like these are the coolest of creatures and you could just sit there with them for hours and just
01:10:20.260you know they're so magnetic they are and you
01:10:24.620you you you were right there i mean do ostriches scream did you did you hear them that night like
01:10:34.660when they were people have said that they were screaming and i'm i'm really sorry to say this i
01:10:40.000think it might have been me because i i've seen the live stream um that was done um by this lady
01:10:46.580named erica um she she recorded from start to finish and they people were counting the bullets
01:10:53.580um being fired and she was out on the highway like locked out and she just recorded the whole night
01:10:59.740and and there was a time where i don't even i don't remember what led up to it for me screaming
01:11:04.940but i just i couldn't stop screaming and people people thought that they were screaming i'm thinking
01:11:12.880when it might have been me and I'm just was the closest one to them but I just lost my mind in
01:11:17.860there I don't know it was everything was just happening and I thought I was going to die and
01:11:22.060we were fighting for their lives I don't know why but up until probably about halfway through the
01:11:27.000shooting I really truly thought we could stop them still like I thought that there was some way
01:11:31.320that we could get them to we pull off another miracle or something I just fought as if we
01:11:38.100could save them i want people to understand as well this was not the rcmp that killed
01:11:42.340the ostriches this was a trained marksman yeah a hired trained marksman did you ever
01:11:48.860get a look at any of these people um no they we saw them drive their vehicles in people were
01:11:56.720saying that they were they were coming in um they were really really cautious to like stay
01:12:03.660away from uh view but the following day i mean they were started to clean up process and i think
01:12:10.380there was a bunch of them that were just like cutting bales and cutting the twine and making
01:12:15.180a mess and whatever i don't know if they were the marks yeah some some of the photos of some of
01:12:21.540these guys uh some of them with full-on face masks on some of them not um i i don't know if there was
01:12:30.300any uh requisite gear that they had to wear but if if there was there definitely some of them
01:12:37.260weren't wearing it oh yeah has anybody figured like where would they find people like this like
01:12:42.940are these just random um hunters like looking well they tried to recruit people from the town
01:12:50.600from the gun club um there was a time where uh the cfia person sort of in command of the of this
01:12:59.000had tried to recruit people from the town um to be the shooters and people you know the
01:13:06.720the hate group facebook group they were eager um so i don't know but i do know now a lot more about
01:13:15.520who they hire for calls because i have read through um animal justice is a they're an
01:13:23.280organization they released thousands of files on avian influenza response by cfia and so now i've
01:13:30.880read all of them and i've read how much they spend on calls and how how they do it they have to do a
01:13:37.980full report afterwards of how it was done and all of it their destruction compensation they're just
01:13:47.380everything to do with their avian flu response. And they have actually hired companies that are
01:13:54.260convicted of animal abuse, horrific, disgusting. I don't even want to say it in case my aunt is
01:13:59.940watching. Horrific, disgusting animal abuse towards birds as they are killing them. And
01:14:08.040they were actually convicted of it. This company is, they were called a Tegra or they are called
01:14:14.180integra now they were sentenced to three years probation um and increased audits by the cfia
01:14:22.000where they failed those audits the biosecurity portion of it um by failed by the same commander
01:14:28.980of our our um area so she failed them and told them you know you guys are messing up your
01:14:37.740biosecurity and if you keep doing that we are not going to hire you anymore so and that's the
01:14:43.780All of the rules that they failed, they broke them all in front of us.
01:14:47.940Everything that they had failed, that company.
01:14:50.260So that is a company that was actually convicted,
01:14:52.380and they just continued on paying them.
01:14:53.860I think they paid them $780,000 or something the next year
01:14:57.320after their conviction to do these calls.
01:15:01.320What's the ultimate goal of this lawsuit, your family's lawsuit, Ellie?
01:15:08.060I just want to start making things right.
01:15:10.680I want balance back restored for what happened here.
01:15:14.480And I think that this is just the first domino or second domino, I guess, because they've
01:15:19.280already lost a tribunal for failing to issue that quarantine notice to my family correctly.
01:15:27.620And if they failed to issue a quarantine notice correctly to Karen, because they just simply
01:15:32.720emailed it and they were supposed to give it by hand, if they failed it and they didn't
01:15:37.880serve that properly, then they definitely didn't serve us properly because we never got
01:15:42.040a quarantine notice at all. And I would just like any CFIA who did anything to break the rules here
01:15:49.800or bend the rules or anything like that. They all need to be held accountable for that.
01:15:55.360Would it take an admission, just an apology? Like what exactly? I mean, obviously to go through,
01:16:04.440especially somebody who's suffering from ptsd right now and your entire family is
01:16:09.440to have to go through this prolonged court battle just for balance and i totally understand how
01:16:17.380important balance is but would an apology from them some kind of a written statement publicly
01:16:24.220would that help that would help it would help it would be a starting point they need to make
01:16:29.600things right um they need to make things right with my aunt they need to make things right
01:16:34.120in compensating her for what they took from her and the people who broke the rules the people
01:16:41.800I mean they have ethical rules that are listed on their website of how their employees are
01:16:47.420supposed to behave and their conflicts of interest they say that even the perception
01:16:53.960of a conflict of interest is enough to be a conflict of interest and there were many there
01:16:58.700i want all of that to be recognized and i want it to be acknowledged and i want anybody that
01:17:05.260that broke these rules i mean i don't think that they should be in public service
01:17:09.480they should you know something that you you guys probably don't know about ali that she's told me
01:17:14.940and and i think i knew this from before is that you're a meticulous note taker uh and a taker of
01:17:21.120video and you've got hours maybe even days of video that that will prove everything that you
01:17:29.720were saying have you gone through all of it yeah yeah yeah unfortunately I did I re-watched and
01:17:36.940relived all of it yeah in organizing it and because it was happening all too fast as things
01:17:42.260were happening it was every day something absolutely crazy would happen and so it was
01:17:48.020really hard to keep up with it all. I noticed that even before we got there, just from watching it
01:17:55.120all online, it was really hard to just like take notes on what was happening. So I was doing as
01:18:00.220much as I could. I was recording everything. I was recording video diaries of what was going on for
01:18:06.440me, what my feelings were, what my parents were going through, what everybody was. I was just
01:18:11.540recording everything possible because I thought this is like a natural disaster and we have to
01:18:17.400prepare this for insurance purposes so yeah i have it all do you guys need support from the people
01:18:27.560or are you not asking for that at this point like what's the situation there uh we're we're not
01:18:33.460really i'm i i don't know how to how to do that especially with all of the the aggression online
01:18:40.680it it people offer to support and um we're really really grateful for that i i am especially because
01:18:50.300i mean it's really hard to function now so i am grateful when people are supportive i don't i
01:18:59.700don't know how to really ask for that though so we just what what do you need like is there anything
01:19:06.320that people can do even if it's just a message or something on on social media just to say hi and
01:19:12.240um i i really need therapy um that that's what i've asked for i really need therapy and my
01:19:20.760therapist is really expensive and out of my budget so um if anybody wanted to help the cost
01:19:26.320of therapy i'd love that but other than that i think we need to keep spreading the message and
01:19:32.960telling people what happened here and demanding accountability from our officials i think we need
01:19:39.800to be still contacting everybody that we can contact we need to contact the mps we need to
01:19:44.460contact everybody and just keep this in the focus uh i i can suggest something and and please
01:19:52.800your your therapist yeah you know i mean your therapist might be able to help you with
01:19:59.000symptoms of PTSD and whatnot, because they're professionals. But what I can say is that
01:20:03.560you got to talk to people who are in the way of understanding, you know, like, and I'm not just
01:20:10.300talking about that one particular incident. I'm talking about, you know, everybody right now,
01:20:16.280who's, who's in this camp, who's in this wide awake and, and freedom and liberty camp.
01:20:22.840We've all had something happen to us. We've all had that moment. Right. And so we,
01:20:29.000and totally understand even though we may not have been there that one night
01:20:33.080that you you've talked about this evening we can totally understand it because we're fully aware of
01:20:39.640it and we've got our own feelings about it and i'm thinking maybe it would be a good idea
01:20:43.700or and i think there might even be uh social media groups out there that actually do get together
01:20:51.040on certain nights via video and they talk about their experiences through this and they
01:20:55.580come to the understanding that I'm not alone, which I think is probably the most important
01:21:01.700thing for people to be able to feel right now. And I know that you've got a great support group
01:21:06.180as well. But to hear that from strangers that you've never met before, but you know that they're
01:21:15.000going through the same kind of thing, it's very, very calming for the inside. And I can tell you
01:21:25.060that because i've been through it myself again years and years and years ago so i i do find the
01:21:30.260people that i i i do connect well with people who followed what was happening when it happened you
01:21:37.100know when you say like if if you weren't there that night there was a lot of people who were
01:21:41.260there virtually who who held on and and sat through it and listened to all of it and followed
01:21:49.420it all um so i find that when i talk to people who who knew what really happened um it is really
01:21:57.860comforting when they when they talk to us um we did put out um a form for people after it happened
01:22:07.380like do you feel deeply affected by this for people to fill out and and got 700 submissions
01:22:13.660of people of all different walks of life of all different professions you know therapists and
01:22:20.180and firefighters and just everybody who had been deeply affected by it just all around the world
01:22:26.460by what happened and how horrific it was wow 700 and i'll bet you that more
01:22:33.540more would come uh you know if you made that a point of getting it out there again right like
01:22:41.620because people are now they're wondering they're going like well what what happens next so thank
01:22:46.500you for letting us know tonight Allie what happens next I want to stay in touch with you and and the
01:22:50.780family and I think your your aunt was saying I talked to her on her birthday so maybe a month
01:22:56.060ago a month and a half I messaged her and said happy birthday to her and and uh you know thought
01:23:02.520about maybe coming back out again and doing something you know like just bring some people
01:23:08.780and let's try and have a party or something but i know that it's different now it is it's it is
01:23:14.940different it's i mean it's it's different langel road separates the ostriches were on the top and
01:23:24.220and the house and everything is on the bottom and once you cross up into that ostrich land it is
01:23:30.460very very different and very sad and which sucks for us because we're on that same side of langel
01:23:35.260road but my aunt's house is still as warm as it was before and all of that like it's that part's
01:23:42.600still really nice do you think that if we brought a couple hundred people out for a weekend it would
01:23:48.160be a fun time or would it be more of a it would be fun yeah yeah well then maybe we'll start
01:23:55.000thinking about that we've got a whole summer in front of us right exactly it'll be fun ali thank
01:24:00.260you for coming on tonight. And we're going to stay in touch and maybe come up with something
01:24:05.020that we can do to help out. And you guys can go ahead and find her on Facebook right there. You
01:24:09.980see, that's how it's spelled. Allie with one L. That's right. Find her on Facebook and make
01:24:15.780friends with her. Thank you, Allie. And we'll talk again soon. And don't forget to say hi to
01:24:20.420the family from all of us. I will. I will. Thank you. Okay. All right. Good night. Allie Turnbull.
01:24:27.480hadn't had her on before remarkable guest i want to thank you guys for being here tonight now what
01:24:34.620i was going to do is the rest of the show i'm just going to blow through this if you guys don't mind
01:24:41.120because there is some news that we do have to cover uh starting with this this is good news
01:24:47.680the senate has voted down c9 amendments to criminalize residential school denialism what
01:24:54.740you may not know is that a few days ago when this bill went to the senate human rights committee
01:25:03.240there was one indigenous senator i believe from the northwest territories who said you know
01:25:09.240um we need to make some amendments to this bill and c9 is already bad enough this is the hate
01:25:15.860speech bill this is the bill that can get you in trouble in jail time or heavy fines for quoting
01:25:23.000the Bible, in case you guys were completely unaware of that. Well, this one senator wanted
01:25:30.040to make an amendment for residential school denialism, and that passed the Senate Human
01:25:36.280Rights Committee a couple of days ago. Well, today, the Senate has voted down those C9 amendments to
01:25:43.280criminalize residential school denialism. The Senate voted down the amendments after the Senate's
01:25:49.400Human Rights Committee voted nearly unanimously to amend the bill to criminalize residential
01:25:53.860school denialism. The final count of that vote, by the way, was seven to one. And I want you to
01:25:58.940understand that if this had passed and they sent this bill back through the Senate for third
01:26:06.120reading, then back to the House of Commons, and then finally for royal assent, that would have
01:26:11.140been law in this country. Had you gone online or even said something privately to somebody else,
01:26:18.500and they reported you, you could have been arrested for questioning the authenticity of
01:26:25.800the claims about residential schools, no matter what part of the residential school lie they've
01:26:32.160been telling. Like the 215 bodies found near that former residential school in Kamloops,
01:26:39.360which is a lie. Even the Globe and Mail finally came out after five years last Friday and said
01:26:46.320that they were wrong. Five years later, the CBC still perpetuating that lie.
01:26:58.460You could have been criminalized. I could have been thrown in jail. Anybody could have been
01:27:03.340thrown in jail for questioning a lie. That's what our country is coming down to at this stage of the
01:27:12.500game. The sole conservative senator on the committee who voted on the motion, Senator
01:27:18.120David Wells, defended his choice to support the amendments to Juneau News, but later noted that
01:27:23.460he voted against the committee's report, which struck them down. The Senate of Canada announced
01:27:28.800on X today the Senate had voted down the committee's third report, which attempted to
01:27:33.320criminalize residential school denialism and ban symbols of nooses and white pointy hoods
01:27:40.220with 41 nays against 32 yeas and two senators abstaining from voting.
01:27:48.440Indeed, freedom of expression is under attack.
01:36:41.460which is being debated and questioned in committee this week for the last couple of days.
01:36:48.440I give you Alex Surgeoner, who is an attorney with the Canadian Constitution Foundation,
01:36:53.820and he was talking in committee today about this ridiculous bill,
01:36:58.020which grants the government and police agencies a backdoor into your personal data, no matter who you are.
01:37:06.220Our concern with this bill is long-standing, and it dates back to, really, the progenitor bill, Bill C-2.
01:37:14.880And while we're pleased with the evolution there and the modest amendments and changes that followed,
01:37:23.280we remain concerned, even more concerned, in fact, about Bill C-22, and that's why I'm here.
01:37:28.840The concern really is this, and I don't mean to be hyperbolic,
01:37:32.180But truly, it's difficult to escape the inference that Bill C-22 would establish a pretty powerful regime of surveillance
01:37:42.220and would constitute a pretty severe invasion into the privacy of everyday Canadians.
01:37:48.220Our concerns fundamentally are about the intrusiveness, the vulnerability, and the overall secrecy that this bill envisions.
01:37:56.080So allow me to identify exactly what I understand this bill requires.
01:37:59.700So-called core providers may be ordered to develop, test, and maintain technical capabilities for extracting information, and in particular, computer data.
01:52:18.340However, it's nice to see that, you know, there's some sense in the Canadian negotiating team because they did reverse those those taxes on the streamers today after I'm sure LeBlanc was told to do that last night.
01:52:32.460if the americans play hardball finally then maybe we'll start getting some stuff going on what i
01:52:41.300was talking about earlier getting rid of all of this censorship nonsense okay trump is going to
01:52:46.540say and it's not even trump it's jd vance who's handling this particular area right he's going to
01:52:51.520say all right so you've got bill c11 you got bill c18 you got bill c22 you got c9 all of these bills
01:52:57.480need to go. No censorship, nothing, or we're not going to do business. I'm sorry,
01:53:03.500we can't do business with an authoritarian regime, Mark. So get rid of all of this censorship
01:53:09.580nonsense because we believe in freedom of speech. I mean, he's already given the Europeans that
01:53:16.800spiel. It would not surprise me one bit if he starts giving Canadians that spiel in the next
01:53:23.160month or so as it relates to renegotiating the USMCA. So we'll see what happens. In the meantime,
01:53:30.480are we in a recession? Yes, we're in a technical recession. Pierre Polyev and
01:53:38.120Mark Carney had it out today. And here's what happened in the House of Commons. And this is
01:53:44.040actually quite telling about Mark Carney. Watch this. The multinational corporations that he is
01:53:49.260profiting are very pleased with the way things are going. As for the Canadian people who are
01:53:54.780living under his recession, it's another story. They don't have $200,000 meals on three private
01:54:02.380flights, Mr. Speaker. They don't have tax havens so that they can shelter from the high tax burden
01:54:07.700he imposes on everyone else. He can't even bring himself to utter the word recession,
01:54:13.380even though the textbook definition tells us that he's the only prime minister, the only leader in
01:54:18.320the G20, who's created one? So will he stand in the House and answer the question, are
01:54:22.780we in a recession or a technical recession?
01:54:26.520Mr. Speaker, we are in an economy that is fundamentally being transformed by a government
01:54:35.920that has a plan, that has a plan to create a stronger, more independent, more resilient
01:54:41.760economy, a sustainable economy, an economy that moves from reliance to resilience.
01:54:48.320And Mr. Speaker, we are already seeing business investment.
01:54:51.400Canadian business investment up 10% in machinery and equipment.
01:54:54.980We are seeing our non-U.S. exports up on course to double.
01:54:59.560We are seeing the strongest inbound investment in Canada.
01:55:05.660My question for the Prime Minister is about the human cost of Canada being the only G20 country in the recession.
01:55:16.740Zahra from Toronto lost her administrative job at a real estate business.
01:55:20.980She can't find a new job and now has to sleep on a friend's couch.
01:55:27.780What's the Prime Minister going to tell her if he cares enough to stand up and answer?
01:55:32.660Is he going to tell her that she's just technically homeless and technically jobless?
01:55:42.500Mr. Speaker, I'd like to wish the chief of the opposition, leader of the opposition,
01:55:51.360a happy birthday. I hope his day improves. This is not a joke. This is a woman's life.
01:55:57.180This prime minister gave us the only recession in the G20 and he stands up and starts joking
01:56:03.620about. Now, you see, this is very interesting. Polyev, you can tell that he's been put off by
01:56:08.200that remark by carney sloughing off that woman's situation because normally
01:56:15.060these guys they refer to the speaker not just by name like they're actually looking at the speaker
01:56:24.900they they don't look at each other it's kind of a house breach it's unparliamentary they say
01:56:31.880and poly have has already been warned once or twice this week that his language was a little
01:56:38.300bit i touch maybe over the line now there's nobody in the house of commons that maybe andrew sheer
01:56:44.240other than andrew sheer there's nobody in the house of commons who knows the rules
01:56:48.420better than pierre poly have he's been there for over 20 years so to see him do this
01:56:54.740shows you in my opinion that he is very passionate about the story that he just told
01:57:02.440and he is scolding the prime minister for responding as he did watch mr speaker i'd like
01:57:11.020to wish the chief of the opposition uh leader of the opposition a happy birthday i hope his day
01:57:17.780improves this is not a joke this is a woman's life this prime minister gave us the only
01:57:24.580recession in the g20 and he stands up and starts joking about her state of affairs
01:57:29.620she's sleeping on someone's couch mr speaker will the prime minister so listen to all the other
01:57:35.540liberals too right yelling and screaming they have absolutely zero respect for the people of this
01:57:46.020country or care polyeth gets up and tells a canadian story now it may or may not be true i
01:57:55.660don't know maybe it is maybe it's not it could be and if it is you'd better not as a politician
01:58:03.800stand there and call it down in parliament are you kidding me right now what kind of person does
01:58:12.200that. Here's a person that works a full-time job. She's making $80,000 a year. She's sleeping
01:58:19.560on a friend's couch. She's in her 40s. Maybe she's got kids. Who knows? You don't know all
01:58:25.780of her circumstances. She can't get by on the money she's making. All the liberals yelling.
01:58:36.720that's not cool at all stop being so flippant about the suffering that he's caused in the
01:58:45.740lives of canadian and tell zara is her homelessness and joblessness just a technicality
01:58:52.660you can see mckinnon sitting across the way there the government house leader the one that
01:59:09.720lied about the fact there's no taxes on streamers or no new tax whatever it was you can he's sitting
01:59:15.520there smiling smirking what's the matter with these people how out of touch how tone deaf do
01:59:22.580you have to be. And even with all of the nonsense that's going on in our country right now, the
01:59:27.760crime, the gun grab, the climate change BS, the money laundering for Brookfield, all of it.
01:59:39.120There's a poll out there. There's a new poll came out today. Now, this is one of the reasons that
01:59:45.840i no longer believe in them there's no way unless most canadians are completely idiots
01:59:52.740or just not paying attention that this could be that's a big number carney's liberals hit record
02:00:00.400high 50 support 50 you guys got to understand that a strong number for any one political party
02:00:09.400in canada is 40 very strong 50 almost unheard of the carny liberals even with everything
02:00:18.680the floor crossing nonsense the backroom deals now have the support of half of all canadians
02:00:27.680according to a new post media legere poll the first time any governing party has hit that
02:00:32.600benchmark in popular support in more than two decades the poll conducted over the last week
02:00:38.840found that 50% of decided voters said that they would most likely support the liberals if federal
02:00:45.020elections were held today. The poll found that the conservatives have the support of 34% of
02:00:50.320Canadians down three from April. Both the NDP and the bloc are at 6% support, even though there's a
02:00:56.640different poll that came out earlier this week that says the NDP is at 13. Another poll says
02:01:01.500they're at 15 because of Abby Lewis. Why? I don't know. The Green Party, 3% up one percentage point.
02:01:08.840The percentage of Canadians who now say they'd likely support one of the two major parties is almost identical to the historically high 85.1% who did so during the last federal election when the dominant issue was how Canada should respond to the trade and sovereignty threats of Donald Trump.
02:01:25.820that's the state of our country right now that's why the west especially alberta and saskatchewan
02:01:32.580feel so alienated because there's nothing that they can do to get back to common sense
02:01:39.900you can go ahead and vote conservative all you want federally speaking as a matter of fact almost
02:01:45.380every mp from alberta is a conservative same with saskatchewan and what does that get you
02:03:16.180it does because it just can't continue like this
02:03:24.180the west cannot be subservient to subservient to the east anymore it's just
02:03:31.780the west has outgrown that relationship that's how this relationship was started
02:03:36.660but it's long since past due so either alberta becomes independent
02:03:46.220or joins another country maybe i don't know something like china
02:03:55.680not china you you guys know who i'm talking about got a couple more things here before
02:04:03.640we wrap it up for the night and that is this story here new 360 degree cameras in Brampton
02:04:12.580and apparently they're helping police solve crimes according to the mayor Patrick Brown here's a CBC
02:04:19.340piece on it a very clear goal in Brampton and that is to make our city and Peel region the most
02:04:25.640inconvenient place in the country to commit a crime in a new collaborative effort between the
02:04:31.120City and Peel Police, 50 of these security cameras have been installed across Brampton with a goal
02:04:36.420of reducing crime. The cameras show a 360 view of an area through the use of four omnidirectional
02:04:42.540lenses, getting a full picture of a spot like an intersection to capture scenes of crimes in real
02:04:47.680time. It isn't brand new technology, but what's different is the integration of live monitoring
02:04:52.980from police. These pieces of technology transmit right into our community safety operation center
02:05:00.080in real time. That is, we have a human in the loop monitoring what is happening when they are
02:05:06.800notified of an incident. The mayor says the community was consulted through a telephone
02:05:11.480town hall with just under 8,000 participants and had a very positive response. He says the
02:05:17.280only people who should be concerned about the technology are the ones committing crimes.
02:05:22.000We've heard loud and clear that the vast, vast majority of the city wants us to use new technology,
02:05:28.500wants us to use cameras in the case of these cameras over 84 percent said absolutely they
02:05:34.900wanted to see cameras rolled out in the city there was very little opposition to this understanding
02:05:41.060that any privacy that is lost is only for those committing criminal criminal acts and if they
02:05:48.580want to protect their privacy don't commit a crime in Brampton. Peel police say the cameras have
02:05:52.880already assisted in over 200 investigations, including two homicide cases leading to arrests.
02:05:59.200Some community members say the trade-off of higher surveillance for better public safety
02:06:03.280is worth it. Crime is not something anyone really wants, so to sort of combat this,
02:06:08.280something has to be implemented, and this is just one of them. It will feel me safer,
02:06:13.100like, okay, I'm being washed, it's here, and if something's going to happen, everything's
02:06:18.880being recorded. With growing population, with sophisticated crime, all this is necessary now.
02:06:25.600The hope is that this technology can help improve investigative efforts. The city also
02:06:30.640mentioned devices like drones that can immediately go to scenes and show footage of what's happening
02:06:36.000in real time before officers arrive. The hope is that the improvement of this technology will help
02:06:41.220keep people safe. Yeah, of course. Let's have a look at what's going on in Brampton these days.
02:06:48.880It's recently seen a surge in extortion, organized crime, targeting local business owners, largely within the South Asian diaspora, India.
02:07:00.280In a coordinated 2026 crackdown, police arrested 17 men with 12 from Brampton linked to a gang known as Four Brothers, which was responsible for shootings and arson.
02:07:11.000Many of the accused are temporary residents.
02:07:13.380Oh, they've got an extortion task force and everything.
02:07:19.680Recent crime incidents, gang activity, and the immigration status of suspects in Brampton
02:07:24.220involve, okay, so the extortion task force, what else did we get here?
02:07:29.820Immigration status of suspects, substantial number of those arrested are non-citizens
02:07:34.000who arrived in Canada on temporary visas.
02:07:36.080Okay, so, you know, before we get, you know, too far down that road, all I'm saying is
02:07:41.900you bring in the third world, you become the third world, and then you put everybody under
02:07:48.700360 surveillance boom isn't this exactly what we've been talking about for the past five years
02:07:57.540you create the problem and you've already got the solution in hand and this solution
02:08:04.220is for your safety just like every other one don't worry we've got it covered we're going
02:08:10.700to be monitoring everybody everywhere all the time so getting back to the americans
02:08:21.680are they doing the same thing oh yeah sure ai data centers going up everywhere
02:08:26.520everywhere we talked about that on the show last night by the way
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02:09:34.020A lot of our viewers are increasingly worried that digital currency could one day be used to track people's spending or limit personal freedom.
02:09:42.560What's your philosophy on that, and what safeguards is the Treasury and its administration putting in place to make sure new digital payment systems protect Americans' privacy and freedoms in the future?
02:09:52.840So this administration has been very clear there will be no central bank digital currency, which I think would be the first step toward tracking.
02:10:01.980So we have taken that off the table. We passed stable coin legislation with bipartisan and the Clarity Act is now up on the hill.
02:10:09.860I think it has bipartisan support. And the most important thing we can do is to make digital assets come into the United States,
02:10:19.260make the U.S. the home, our regulation, our best practices, what will ensure good standards for these.
02:10:27.420When you look at digital assets, all the nonsense that happens, all the things you read about, that's because it's the wild, wild west offshore.