The Shadoe Davis Show - March 17th⧸2026- Answering Allegations Made About Universal Ostrich Farm w⧸Jeff Gaudry

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00:02:00.000 good evening my friends welcome to the shadow davis show this is tuesday march 17th happy

00:02:15.320 saint paddy's day and the luck of the irish to you 2026 and tonight on the show our special guest

00:02:23.140 is jeff godry jeff was one of the main organizers at universal ostrich farm spent

00:02:30.460 i'm gonna say large we'll ask him personally but large chunks of time there in 2025 and even after

00:02:39.900 the mass massacre of over 300 ostriches back in october or was it november

00:02:49.380 jeff still went back to the farm to help with as much cleanup and consolation as he could

00:02:58.080 here's a guy dedicated to our rights to the rights of canadians to the rights of farmers

00:03:05.480 to the rights of landholders standing against government overreach and there have been some

00:03:11.780 horrifying allegations leveled at the people the family at universal ostrich farm in the last few

00:03:19.340 days by a former supporter on a little known podcast i think it's on youtube or maybe it's

00:03:27.600 on facebook anyway we felt the time was right to come on and talk about these allegations not

00:03:35.200 necessarily to refute them all maybe just to put them in perspective and let you know exactly from

00:03:42.180 jeff's perspective and from mine don't forget i did spend a couple of weeks two and a half weeks

00:03:46.900 at universal ostrich farm back in the early summer and my impressions of the family and

00:03:54.800 most of the supporters there was just one great big heart people were there for the right reasons

00:04:03.760 now i can't speak about anything that happened past the end of july but jeff can and that's

00:04:11.100 the reason that he's here tonight so we're going to talk about that and more in just a second stay

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00:05:16.540 hey buddy how you doing been a while hey shadow how are you thanks for uh the invite to come on

00:05:31.060 the show tonight i'm happy to have you because um i i just saw that interview with julie

00:05:36.820 former supporter at universal ostrich farm and i had met her and uh you know i'm going to keep my

00:05:42.800 my opinions to myself on her um we will play some clips of the interview that she did

00:05:49.720 where she makes these allegations that are mostly opinion would you say that i'm right in saying

00:05:57.340 that yeah i i have uh watched the the interview i think that was part two of a two-part series

00:06:03.240 i watched both parts and uh the first part was with the co-owner right

00:06:08.020 i'm sorry say again um oh sorry yeah like you know uh what i gathered from her interview was

00:06:17.840 it was her opinion and i struggled to see where sometimes there was evidence to support

00:06:25.780 those opinions uh that's why i was compelled uh yesterday to do a live and you know talk

00:06:33.880 about it a little bit because i thought you know it's it's only fair to share a perspective that

00:06:40.180 isn't so biased and so you know one-sided when it comes to um how someone that was a supporter

00:06:47.720 seen the farm well you know the one of the interesting things i think is how so many people

00:06:54.140 are wondering where'd the money go what happened to the money i made a donation or maybe they

00:06:59.340 didn't make a donation and they're still saying how was the money spent i mean this is not a

00:07:03.860 question that gets asked to the united way or the cancer society or the heart and stroke foundation

00:07:09.740 or uh rogers or bell when you buy a hundred dollar pay-per-view package to watch some ufc

00:07:17.080 right you don't say hey by the way how are you going to be spending my money you don't ask them

00:07:21.700 that stuff but for some reason when you make a 20 donation to an ostrich farm uh where'd the money

00:07:28.940 you go what's going on with the money now people are right to speculate too in certain cases we

00:07:35.500 have seen some people abscond right and just run away with it this world is full of that kind of

00:07:44.080 um you know corruption unfortunately so you know like people always tend to

00:07:49.740 you know some people i shouldn't say people a few people always tend to speculate negativity

00:07:57.020 generally i've noticed anytime money is being raised for for any cause you know someone will

00:08:04.420 critique it it just it comes with the territory i believe except for the big established charities

00:08:10.040 like i mentioned right because it's out of your hands the ones that maybe 15 percent actually get

00:08:14.920 to the cause yeah the ones with the the eight figure ceos and the whole pyramid of seven figure

00:08:22.940 vice presidents so look we're not here tonight to speculate on the personal relationships of people

00:08:30.300 that we don't have firsthand knowledge of that's very important to say i'm not going to sit here

00:08:36.940 and say well i think having said that seeing as how you're here jeff did you have an affair with

00:08:42.940 katie basidney you know shadow as much as um you know the hate groups and you know everyone that's

00:08:52.300 gets the ostrich farm uh wants to believe it uh no no of course not me and katie never had an

00:08:59.580 affair me and katie were more like um well you were there we were more like a brother and sister

00:09:04.980 kind of thing because i was so close to their family um karen was like a mom to me esper was

00:09:11.880 like a brother uh you know david jody were like uncle and auntie like you know how how it was

00:09:18.340 and um we would bicker like the same way as esper and her would bicker and stuff like that you know

00:09:24.920 when we disagreed with you know things that were going on and stuff so it was quite amusing when

00:09:30.860 um the desperate people that just wanted to hurt us in every way shape and form chose to uh

00:09:37.340 push those narratives yeah well and you know some people were creating ai photographs of you and her

00:09:45.320 together that made it seem as though there was something going on and i've seen those photos

00:09:51.680 i've seen the real photos i've seen the ai photos and i've seen the two of you together in person

00:09:57.440 live and in color and favorite one shadow are the ones where they like they they go to the

00:10:03.540 extremes of making half human half ostrich babies i think there's one with an ostrich

00:10:11.060 priest standing behind us um it got ridiculous like these people that were opposing the ostrich

00:10:18.380 farm that they're the big concern was supposed to be like you know like why are these people

00:10:23.140 fighting the government this and that the government's in the right and they ended up

00:10:27.800 turning it into some weird chaotic oh it it blows my mind shadow i chuckle about it today

00:10:36.420 to do the day when i think about it when did you first arrive there at the farm the first time that

00:10:41.920 you went the very very first time i was actually thinking about that before i my thing yesterday

00:10:48.420 it was very it was just after easter so i believe it was the weekend after easter so that would have

00:10:55.920 been easter changes every year for me i don't know when easter is it was like the very end of april

00:11:01.660 very very beginning of may kind of zone i had obviously been following it just like everybody

00:11:07.240 else for a couple months online i live in the north okanagan so i'm only a couple hours away

00:11:13.240 a lot of the people that i knew locally from the freedom movement had actually went out there um i

00:11:19.660 had friends encourage me saying hey jeff like why aren't you getting involved yet um and i was like

00:11:24.660 i'm watching i'm watching but i was like come on the government's gonna or the the courts are gonna 0.93

00:11:29.220 to see the you know the the realism here they're these ostriches are clearly healthy now like of

00:11:36.280 course they're gonna let them live like let's see what happens well i i was wrong you made that

00:11:41.120 assumption after going to the freedom convoy i've never really thought too much to be on a shadow

00:11:46.600 about like i knew what the cfi did i knew about calls i knew that they had a lot of power and

00:11:52.320 control but i never really focused on the reality of the policy like how black and white it was

00:11:58.520 like there isn't no like oh they get better okay well we're not going to do this now and

00:12:04.740 we're going to do this no it's like they were sick at one point so they die now even if they're

00:12:10.220 it's like being on death row in jail you get sentenced and then you sit there for three four

00:12:15.560 years or five years ten years waiting for them to give you your lethal injection i mean that in

00:12:21.240 itself is torture all the while waiting on court rulings and possibly reprieves from the governor

00:12:27.040 he's going to call it the only thing that's keeping you alive is that you just so stay

00:12:31.480 and and what a supreme court justice decides on your your case it's it's really morbid when you

00:12:38.160 think about it i thought about it quite a bit in the process you know and i would talk about it

00:12:42.360 with the family you know those times when not a lot of people were around and you know like

00:12:47.060 the only thing that was keeping those birds alive the whole year was court proceedings

00:12:52.860 not humanity not ethics not reason court proceedings how many different levels of

00:12:59.820 court i realized the policy is jaded shock right out the get-go like this policy allows

00:13:05.260 this and suggests this is the way to do business how many different levels of court did they go

00:13:11.320 through i mean they have to be the federal court the appeals court they finally got to the supreme

00:13:15.520 court at the end uh and well and then there was lower courts right off the gate you know like um

00:13:20.520 I can't even honestly tell you how many different this and that, but I can tell you they went the first several months with that first lawyer.

00:13:29.200 I forget his name. I'm sorry. I should have wrote it down before Omar, before the the the common lawyer that everyone knows, you know, and there was all of that.

00:13:40.280 And then it was almost like starting over with Omar again, going down a path that was more realistic from their legal advisor's perspective or whatever, right?

00:13:54.240 So they were trying every single thing they legally possibly could.

00:13:59.420 And that's why I find the criticism against, oh, like, these animals should die or you have no right to fight.

00:14:08.160 No, our legal system, the system we abide by, the system all these liberals stand by, that govern us, says that these people have the right to fight this policy, this decision, the CFIA.

00:14:25.540 And that's exactly what they did, tooth and nail, at every level.

00:14:28.600 And that gave those birds almost an extra year of life.

00:14:32.940 And it comes with a considerable cost.

00:14:35.140 We're going to get into that, Jeff.

00:14:36.740 i just want to play some of these clips from julie her name is julie carson yeah what what

00:14:42.800 was her she she got there before you did am i correct it was like the week and before me or

00:14:48.660 week before me but yeah she definitely was there when i first rolled in she wasn't in a leadership

00:14:53.220 role when i rolled in but you guys it went in the beginning i was only there on the weekends

00:14:58.860 i think i was there that weekend i came two weekends later and julie was she stayed once

00:15:04.940 she got there right so i would see julie every few weekend or a couple weekends sometimes every

00:15:10.580 weekend and after you know a few visits julie was now in what she called in her interview the

00:15:17.820 camp director role so i i met her i never honestly ever butted heads with her once

00:15:23.360 like me and her personally um i remember an odd night of cookies and milk by the fire in

00:15:29.280 conversation um you know so any kind of weird whatever that was going on didn't really involve

00:15:36.900 me involved me at the time I wasn't in a leadership role yet I was just a supporter trying to figure

00:15:42.440 out what we were doing here and really understand where the family was coming from right so she

00:15:49.460 moved into that director role she explained it I'm not going to play that clip but why was it that

00:15:57.800 she was moved into that spot did karen ever explain that to you or katie um well dave it's

00:16:02.760 just like there was a whole bunch like there was you know doug he was head of security and i forget

00:16:07.620 who was running the kitchen at the time um it might have been tina and there was a few other

00:16:12.880 people that were in different roles and you know i guess from her previous experience in life she 0.99

00:16:18.600 was you know obviously in some sort of management role wasn't that woman who destroyed the toilet 0.99

00:16:24.060 that in the trailer like the the one who was running the kitchen didn't she like didn't she 1.00

00:16:30.160 use the bathroom in the trailer something there was something about that was sherry she ran the

00:16:35.280 kitchen later on and julie and sherry were friends okay so yeah yeah and actually a lot of people

00:16:42.180 get them confused when um they're talking about julie because not a lot of people knew everybody

00:16:48.720 back then there was only like julie said a couple dozen 30 40 and then the numbers grew you know

00:16:54.040 to 100 150 on the weekends they die down grow shrink so when she was the director um things

00:17:02.900 were still like you know they hadn't grown really massive yet so yeah okay i i just remember showing

00:17:10.760 up very late at night my first visit there and i didn't even meet her for three days or four days

00:17:17.580 before i took off down to abbotsford to visit my son and then came back a couple of days later i

00:17:22.640 think i met her then um my impression was that she stayed up late got up late and did a little 0.72

00:17:30.820 bit of drinking too just like everybody else i'm not going to sit here and say that she was the

00:17:35.960 only one she was the camp drunk or anything like that people people were drinking more i know i had

00:17:43.600 a few more drinks than i i'm sure well a lot of people kind of seen it as like camping you know

00:17:49.520 like they were out there supporting a cause,

00:17:51.480 but they were out on this beautiful property.

00:17:54.320 The weather was half decent, even in the spring, beautiful river.

00:17:58.940 People were doing a lot of stuff, volunteering, helping stuff.

00:18:02.200 But yeah, like they sat by fires at night.

00:18:04.460 Very hot, very like beautiful landscape, the mountains all around.

00:18:09.360 Incredible.

00:18:09.960 But I'm going to play this first clip.

00:18:11.420 This is Julie on this show.

00:18:14.180 I forget what it's called.

00:18:14.860 What's the guy's name again?

00:18:17.360 Anthony Russo.

00:18:18.360 anthony russo okay so anthony russo uh talking to julie here and she's talking here about her

00:18:25.640 first impressions of katie and karen okay karen and katie though why don't you tell me a little

00:18:31.380 bit about your first impression of them when you arrived at the farm yeah okay i should back up a

00:18:36.140 little bit my first impression of Katie was she's not a farmer she she was very

00:18:52.040 charismatic she was very bouncy big personality drew people in I wasn't

00:19:00.800 really drawn to her as a person like not somebody that would really want to be

00:19:04.220 friends with um and I I just was a little bit concerned with some of her language and

00:19:10.220 just some of the nuances of what she said didn't love that okay yeah now over time well actually

00:19:17.980 why don't we ask this what was your first impression of Karen like she was definitely

00:19:22.500 head head honcho there for sure uh that was my first impression she seemed like a nice lady 1.00

00:19:29.800 though like she seemed she was very kind to people she let people you know come into the house and 0.96

00:19:34.400 she was cooking us meals and um seemed very personable but she she definitely seemed like 0.82

00:19:40.860 she knew what she wanted and she was the kind of person that knew what she wanted and got what she 1.00

00:19:44.600 wanted okay so that i'm gonna come to your house and totally critique you

00:19:54.400 i i i'm blown away by that and of course everybody is entitled to their own opinions

00:20:01.360 and their own impressions but you know when i first met katie this would have been on this show

00:20:08.360 january of 2025 late january of 2025 uh carrie simpson had messaged me about something to do

00:20:18.180 with an ostrich farm in a remote town in british columbia and i said so what does that have to do

00:20:23.600 with the price of tea in china right i mean i'm thinking ostriches we've got ostriches what and

00:20:30.380 then she went on to explain the scenario and after about a week of convincing carrie simpson is very

00:20:35.300 very tenacious uh i finally said okay well let's go ahead and do an interview and the first one

00:20:43.600 was me carrie and katie and katie didn't say much not at all as a matter of fact she was you know on

00:20:49.840 on the split screen like we are right now, except there was three of us and she didn't say three

00:20:56.400 words. And I thought, Hmm, that's interesting. Then a couple of weeks later, maybe three weeks

00:21:03.100 later, I had her on again. And this time she was far more talkative, but she wasn't as talkative

00:21:10.140 as the Katie we got to know later. And I saw her growth as let's call it a media personality for 0.63

00:21:17.640 lack of a better expression over the course of a very short time i'm gonna say between last year

00:21:23.940 about this time and maybe may or june she really blossomed into that character that uh julie was 0.89

00:21:31.860 talking about there uh her language what do you think she meant by that too many curse words

00:21:36.200 i guess i don't know like i guess once in a while we accidentally swear i mean you know like 0.96

00:21:43.900 i mean you're under pressure i i i never noticed her to over be overly you know swear too much but

00:21:53.540 i i wasn't trying i wasn't there critiquing those kind of things so i well no i mean you're at a 0.52

00:21:59.660 farm right in the middle of nowhere and i'll tell you something else she's not a farmer is what

00:22:07.040 julie said yeah i remember having an interview comment hey well i had an interview scheduled

00:22:13.620 with katie and i was wondering where she was she didn't show up for it right it's like a half an

00:22:18.320 hour until we're on and i'm thinking what the hell so i called her up and i said what's going on she

00:22:24.820 goes i'm sorry i'm sorry but i got caught up in the ostrich pens this is when the ostriches

00:22:29.640 obviously were still alive and i'm covered in shit right now and i can't go on screen that's

00:22:34.460 what she said and i went okay well you've got time to go take a shower if you want to okay okay i'll 0.90

00:22:41.680 be there a quarter after and so we waited for 15 minutes until katie got herself presentable 1.00

00:22:46.400 covered in shit right covered in feed covered in whatever it is they got covered in doing the daily 1.00

00:22:53.060 chores in the ostrich pants not a farmer i mean she was always wearing a baseball cap 1.00

00:22:59.400 all the time oh yeah i i can't tell you how many times i've seen her and her mom like you say just 1.00

00:23:06.500 covered in i'm working in those ostrich pens you know like even i would like take my hats off

00:23:13.280 to them like you would see those birds pecking at them and and um you know it was so hot out

00:23:20.480 there and they're out there in the blistering sun you know religiously taking care of all those

00:23:25.620 birth day in you don't get a day off there's no such thing as you know oh well with sundays we

00:23:32.480 don't take care of the animals right they're on their own you know it's funny karen too right like

00:23:38.300 the thing about her was i when i first met her it was like oh i'm so happy you're here what can i get

00:23:46.360 you you you don't have to get me anything no no what do you want do you want a drink would you

00:23:52.240 want a coffee whatever right and so that night it was just i got to go to bed i'd been on the road

00:23:57.820 for 14 straight hours whatever it was and i just like didn't have a big storm yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:24:07.260 it was the rain windstorm crazy but um i went to bed like everybody else went to bed and then the

00:24:13.660 next morning it was everybody sitting around the kitchen table and like you could not stop her from

00:24:20.660 putting something in front of you whether it was a coffee and eggs whatever it was that was being 0.99

00:24:25.860 made she was she made a point of it and she was wearing her suspenders her hip waders big rubber 0.55

00:24:32.240 boots all of the stuff she needed to go into the ostrich man so in the morning she would take care

00:24:37.540 of everybody in the house feed make sure they were all fed and everything and then go and spend

00:24:43.320 however many hours in there in 35 degrees then come and and like a lot of time people obviously 1.00

00:24:49.940 tried to help her but she liked to take care of people and then she would cook people dinner and 1.00

00:24:54.520 this and that i mean that woman went from the crack of dawn till till i never saw her upset

00:25:02.120 eric her husband who's who's paraplegic right i mean it's a job in itself right there yeah

00:25:09.700 and we heard him yelling a lot of times katie karen right like so if it wasn't one thing it

00:25:17.240 was another on top of all of the pressure that's being leveled on you by runaway government agency

00:25:24.480 court date coming up and locals who did not like being now you know julie talked in her interview

00:25:31.580 too about locals i'm not going to play a clip of that but apparently there was a lot of locals that

00:25:35.420 didn't like it and there was a a facebook group threatening to come in and kill these ostriches

00:25:40.560 and hurt the people at the farm and that was upsetting as well these are all things that

00:25:45.800 all of these folks lived through every single day for a year,

00:25:50.720 almost amazing fortitude.

00:25:53.880 Like your job,

00:25:54.700 like everyone kind of in the outside world is like,

00:25:56.460 Oh,

00:25:56.540 your job's fighting the CFIA right now.

00:25:58.640 No,

00:25:58.900 your job is still being a farmer of ostriches.

00:26:01.740 And your second job is now fighting the CFIA.

00:26:07.180 So your job,

00:26:07.900 it's 24 hours a day,

00:26:09.380 seven days a week. 1.00

00:26:10.620 Ostriches don't stop.

00:26:11.800 The fight against the government doesn't stop. 1.00

00:26:14.360 Um,

00:26:14.720 um,

00:26:15.800 you you were there like the table was like the war room you know like where where research was

00:26:22.940 done non-stop where messaging was sent out um you know like there was always work going on

00:26:30.880 it all just depended what kind of work it was yeah so you know i have positive impressions of

00:26:39.820 both of them katie and karen and dave too you know what i mean there was a lot of

00:26:43.580 uh people who were saying oh david shady business dealings that go back 25 years or whatever

00:26:49.400 right i mean i sat down and had great conversations with dave he explained to me

00:26:56.380 his history you know working in forestry and then later on becoming this ostrich farmer and telling

00:27:03.400 me all these things about ostriches i learned from him and from karen for that matter i never

00:27:08.660 had a problem a personal issue with dave not at all yeah no i actually i like dave too where i

00:27:14.740 like i'm everybody i love everybody there right like dave karen katie all uh the family and you

00:27:21.180 know like it's funny because dave actually worked with my father-in-law um 40 like 40 45 years ago

00:27:27.820 in forestry so when my father-in-law found out i was going out there um i was stopping by his

00:27:34.260 mill to pick up a load of cedar one day and um he was like hey you know say hi to dave for me

00:27:40.100 and then he began to tell me kind of the the little history how they knew each other logging

00:27:45.560 back in the day and then i went out there and told dave hey you know my father is this person

00:27:50.760 he knew right away and he had stories about you know my father-in-law and this and that so you

00:27:57.340 know like we kind of had that instant connection that you know like an association kind of outside

00:28:03.020 of there so yeah we hit it off like i always got along great with with dave you know like you say

00:28:08.260 he's a chatter he loves to talk loves to tell his story uh sometimes he's got to the point where

00:28:13.460 you'd be sitting in the in the kitchen there in the dining area having a quick coffee dave come

00:28:17.560 down and sit and start talking you go oh i've got to go down to the river i've got things i have to

00:28:25.460 do i can't really spend any time listening here because he could go on there's no doubt um i'm

00:28:31.900 going to play this next clip here uh jeff this is julie on this podcast talking about donations

00:28:38.720 you saw what kind of donations were coming into the farm cash a lot of cash um i don't know there

00:28:48.600 was there was a lot of things like the um there was an online auction there were um just cash

00:28:56.560 donations coming in i know some people were e-transferring and such i had no idea about

00:29:01.180 any online gifts and goes or anything like that at that time so we had like a donation box in the

00:29:07.120 kitchen people would put money in there you know there were people would sometimes just hand you

00:29:12.260 money you know if they thought that you were in charge of something they would hand you money and

00:29:15.420 you would just sort of give it over to to the house I wasn't nearly aware of the scale of what

00:29:23.160 was going on at that time with the exception of there was one large independent donor and he was

00:29:30.180 supposed to be anonymous at first he sent a volunteer there to sort of

00:29:34.460 represent him and it was a large chunk of money large chunk of money and it was

00:29:40.700 supposed to be helping the volunteers it was the idea there were hotel rooms

00:29:45.180 made available for people there the money was to be used for like

00:29:49.300 transportation for food even giving individuals gas money if they needed it

00:29:54.860 that kind of thing I personally got concerned because I didn't I didn't feel

00:30:04.100 that Katie was necessarily the best person to be in control of that I think 0.52

00:30:08.480 it was that we needed somebody that had more of a business mind more of a

00:30:12.440 budget that would follow a budget and that kind of thing I am there are

00:30:17.120 different podcasters out there that have done their own research or have had

00:30:20.780 other people do research for them. And I honestly believe for certain, the number's over a million.

00:30:27.900 It's been said as high as 2 million. It depends. From what I see, one of the give send goes

00:30:35.340 especially disappeared. And it was a really big one. So I really can't say what the total

00:30:40.920 would be but it was huge okay so she's speculating

00:30:47.680 that the donations were anywhere between i'm sorry man you're you've muted yourself here you

00:30:54.360 gotta unmute yourself oh sorry so she's speculating it's between one and two million

00:31:03.320 dollars the donations that came in yeah that's what she's claiming i i don't know where that

00:31:09.060 number comes from and she said something about uh it's a researcher independent research done

00:31:15.280 by podcasters or something that she knows of and numbers anywhere from that to that i would love

00:31:21.500 to see this if she's seen it she obviously has access to it i would love to see like she didn't

00:31:27.220 say she'd seen it oh she did what what she said was there are podcasters out there who have done

00:31:33.680 their own research and come up with those numbers now i can tell you that i am an independent

00:31:39.240 journalist slash podcaster slash influencer i do tons of research daily and i wouldn't know how

00:31:47.980 to research something this chaotic there's absolutely zero you could go to the give send

00:31:55.400 goes i suppose or the gofundme running tally of whatever online platforms they were connected to

00:32:02.620 and add those up yeah but what are you going to do like are you going to go and say hey hey there

00:32:08.180 i know that you were at the ostrich farm how much did you drop in the donation box because there was

00:32:12.380 a donation box in the kitchen like you'd mentioned before and people would just hand money right so

00:32:18.880 there's absolutely zero way to say exactly how much money came in but i can tell you this i know

00:32:26.660 that if you want to take a case all or try to take a case all the way to the supreme court

00:32:32.360 you're talking about at least a million dollars in legal fees a million dollars

00:32:38.160 so if and and i know that some of the legal fees that ostrich sorry not ostrich the ostrich family

00:32:45.680 that karen katie and the family oh are still you know not paid so the number is 284

00:32:53.720 284 000 they still what i think the number has been um said to be by the family yeah

00:33:00.020 and so if they had all of this money stashed away someplace would it not be paid off why would they

00:33:07.980 be waiting to pay it off it makes no sense to me so what are your what is your take on her comments

00:33:14.220 there well for one i don't know where they get like you just said the million to two number i

00:33:19.500 think that's pretty outlandish um katie the other day put up a post i seen it and she would there

00:33:24.800 was somebody had was running some sort of um one of those fundraisers and it was something about

00:33:30.280 getting new ostriches and katie was like this isn't our family like we're not connected to this

00:33:35.100 and underneath that she listed the the um online platforms that her family endorses or

00:33:43.120 they're the beneficiaries of and it's like a few so you know it's it's not hard to to dial in what

00:33:51.340 those are you know you can click on them and it says totals raised you know i'm pretty sure i i

00:33:59.820 haven't looked on them like i've never really focused on the money stuff so i've never never

00:34:03.980 really like cared to to bother and and look but i think it's outlandish not to mention shadow i i

00:34:10.480 i was there at times and and i watched you know like i i was there like you say a lot from start

00:34:17.340 to finish just weekends at first pretty much full time the last few months you know once once things

00:34:23.300 got heavy um and you know i've seen the struggle karen and dave and katie had sometimes trying to

00:34:31.400 to make it all work so yeah money was rolling in from donations and that but they're trying to

00:34:37.300 in my opinion anyways they're trying to manage this this camp um making sure however many people

00:34:44.640 they're taking care of sometimes that was a lot of people especially as the fall or you know 1.00

00:34:49.540 september came those ladies in the kitchen were cooking hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 1.00

00:34:55.100 meals a day if you and nobody ever paid for a meal there right they had that box where you could put 1.00

00:35:00.800 a donation in the kitchen or you know like that julie mentioned so um people i don't know i i 1.00

00:35:08.060 never had like the ladies some of the ladies that you know helped with things would come out with 0.98

00:35:13.600 and unlock it take that and give it to to karen you know nightly or whatever so it didn't just 0.77

00:35:18.800 get left out there um and i think they had a little mini one up by you know that little booth

00:35:24.700 at the front gate that people would hang out at and yeah then everything was free for everyone

00:35:30.640 and you you've seen it like it if you it wasn't mealtime they would have fruit waters beverages

00:35:36.780 whatever little snacks and then they always provided you know a breakfast and a lunch

00:35:41.740 and then stuff or sorry breakfast and dinner and then there was stuff there for lunch if they

00:35:46.260 didn't do a you know a big thing and then you know you're you're running all this propane and

00:35:51.740 gas for generators and you got porta potties and you got you know not to say a lot of stuff didn't

00:35:59.160 get donated um but i i seen what it took for them to to keep that operating at the same time

00:36:07.200 keeping up with the payments of the lawyer obviously you don't pay that million dollars

00:36:12.480 when you're taking it that far all at once but whatever agreement you have with your lawyer you

00:36:17.900 know as well as i do the lawyer is going to accept expect certain amounts of money at certain times

00:36:23.060 so like i say i was there at times where you know karen was in tears katie was in tears

00:36:29.320 and they were stressing because they knew they needed to somehow make that work or come up with

00:36:36.520 twenty thousand dollars to give the lawyer i do recall there was one point when i was there and

00:36:41.620 i think the rcmp liaison officers were there at the front that little booth they had set up where

00:36:46.640 they were selling the merch which by the way was not gangbusters i want everybody to know that like

00:36:51.360 whoever came in, sometimes they'd, they'd buy a t-shirt, you know, homemade t-shirt from some of

00:36:56.440 the folks who were there. There's a lot of artisans on the property at that time. And it would be like

00:37:01.520 10 bucks, 15 bucks. It wasn't like it was, uh, you know, Alex Jones store or anything like that.

00:37:07.200 Oh no, they were making five bucks a shirt or something. Maybe. And, and so, uh, you know,

00:37:12.600 we'd see Karen and Katie in tears because the lawyers threatening to stop representing them

00:37:18.900 if they can't pay him by tomorrow at five o'clock and we're talking about a chunk of twenty thousand

00:37:23.560 dollars here yeah and they're going i cannot how am i supposed i don't know where i'm going to get

00:37:29.420 twenty thousand dollars and even with the the wealthy benefactor from the united states who 1.00

00:37:34.480 we'll get into in just a second but here in this clip julie appears to be making allegations of 1.00

00:37:41.640 fraud. So let's have a look. Were volunteers or donors ever given any sort of an accounting 0.98

00:37:49.120 of how the funds were used or the amounts that were coming in and going out?

00:37:53.580 No, absolutely not. Not even remotely. Wow. So no, no system, no system. I mean,

00:38:00.280 they seem to want to write down things that the money was spent on for receipts for other people,

00:38:04.680 but I didn't see anything else in that regard. Like there was never, there was never a moment

00:38:10.580 where they say, hey, guys, we've hit this donating goal

00:38:13.260 or we've hit this fundraising goal.

00:38:15.440 Never.

00:38:16.400 Yeah.

00:38:17.260 Now, did you find that, were people ever asking questions about that,

00:38:21.180 anyone donating money or anybody around?

00:38:23.000 Were people asking questions going, hey, how much has come in

00:38:25.500 or where is this all going?

00:38:26.780 Were those questions popping up at that time?

00:38:29.700 It was popping up with the supporters.

00:38:32.940 I know personally, I was only there like three weeks,

00:38:36.140 and I called my, two, three weeks, and I called my mom and said,

00:38:38.560 don't you send these people another dime.

00:38:40.580 oh wow yeah absolutely concerns for sure yeah there was a few of us because we just saw money

00:38:46.100 being spent in ways that it didn't need to be spent okay you know like it was just not

00:38:51.860 there was way more food being purchased than necessary a lot of the food was going bad we

00:38:55.940 threw away so much food because food was also alternately or separately being donated okay

00:39:02.660 right um just some of the expenses were outrageous like there was one time in particular um katie

00:39:10.100 had come back is this okay if i keep going of course okay um you had come back from town and

00:39:15.540 there's like a huge costco run and like we know it was like eight hundred a thousand dollars on

00:39:19.380 food from costco some of the things we knew weren't necessarily needed and then there was also like a

00:39:25.060 case of what like seven hundred dollars she had spent on wine at one time wow they've tried to

00:39:31.780 say since that oh that was for that was for a relative but it wasn't because i was personally

00:39:37.060 me and the lady i say that we were personally given at least three bottles and i was i saw

00:39:41.300 it being handed out to people it was being drank at the farm julie what do you think happened with

00:39:46.900 the funds obviously they weren't fully put towards the legal bills right where do you think they were

00:39:51.220 used do you think they're still in an account somewhere like what's your opinion my opinion

00:39:57.220 is that they're being definitely held within the esperson family um why would they not share it

00:40:04.660 with their partner why would they not tell their partner where all that money is like that's just

00:40:08.740 a simple it's pretty simple to me um i know that i saw stuff being misused i can say um six months

00:40:19.300 ago katie was driving an eighty thousand dollar vehicle today she's driving a hundred and eighty

00:40:24.100 thousand dollar vehicle okay so the first thing i want to get to like she's going off the assumption 0.93

00:40:32.100 that there's two million dollars that was raised which is question imagine that yeah yeah so she's 0.99

00:40:40.340 lowering an allegation at katie who is now driving 180 000 vehicle and yeah that's true 0.80

00:40:47.460 we talked about that on the phone today you know apparently like her husband bought a new one but

00:40:52.660 she's still driving her same vehicle but i mean like her husband owns a successful company like

00:40:58.900 Like, I mean, it's not uncommon for people to buy vehicles.

00:41:02.520 And, you know, like, I have friends that have, I have a decent truck.

00:41:05.680 Trucks are not cheap, period.

00:41:07.380 Mine's nothing fancy by any means.

00:41:08.740 But I have friends that have mediocre mid-grade trucks nowadays that are $100,000 plus.

00:41:14.420 So, I mean, and, you know, isn't it relevant what, you know, like, Katie's family.

00:41:22.400 What she's saying there, Jeff, is, no, Matt, what she's saying there is that Katie has

00:41:27.100 taken that money and bought herself a new truck clearly trying to say yeah and that i take offense

00:41:34.000 to because that would be first of all if you were malevolent like that that would be too obvious

00:41:42.640 do you remember the scene in goodfellas where robert de niro told all of his boys in the in the

00:41:48.860 crew nothing expensive this is just after they did the big heist right and dude walks in with

00:41:54.720 a freaking fur coat and a pink 0.88

00:41:56.600 Cadillac. I told you, nothing 0.99

00:41:58.540 expensive. Go and take it back.

00:42:00.660 I mean, that would be stupid for Katie 0.98

00:42:02.760 to say, oh, look at me now. I'm driving. 0.97

00:42:04.580 I mean, seriously. 0.76

00:42:06.260 It's pretty ridiculous, you know, 0.67

00:42:08.400 and to be honest, I actually 0.92

00:42:10.520 asked Katie about that. 0.95

00:42:12.100 She doesn't even drive it. She drives the 1.00

00:42:14.440 same, what is it, a Yukon

00:42:16.760 or Suburban or whatever still?

00:42:18.740 Yeah.

00:42:19.880 What I wonder is, how

00:42:22.200 do these people even know that

00:42:24.720 her her husband's bought a new truck like because there's a lot of chatter going on behind the scenes 0.91

00:42:30.120 buying on them the gossip mongers right what about this misuse of money that she alleges here

00:42:37.020 i mean you now you that's one thing i do know is that you were there you were in the kitchen you

00:42:41.340 were pretty much all around all of the operations of the camp and i could tell you from my observations

00:42:47.740 that it never looked to me like they were throwing food out if anything there was always we're short

00:42:53.160 buns we need some more uh ground beef we need some more noodles like there was never anything

00:42:59.340 that was thrown out that i remember it was i think you were there do you recall that weekend i put up

00:43:04.860 that new giant 20 by 30 tent yes so so when we were going through everything and we were dialing

00:43:12.740 that in because we were trying to build a more functioning kitchen for the cap bringing proper

00:43:16.840 fridges and freezers and all that we were doing all that and um there was a lot of stuff that was

00:43:22.180 just crammed in coolers and this and that and i mean it wasn't like it was a regular thing and

00:43:26.820 kept happening but it was quite clear that there was a lack of organization on whoever maybe was

00:43:33.080 in charge of the kitchen or maybe there wasn't really anyone in charge and that's why it happened

00:43:37.580 and um there was like some you know dairy products that got wasted maybe a little bit of vegetables

00:43:43.420 and meat but it wasn't like you know people were like she makes it sound like you know katie bought

00:43:48.440 a thousand dollars of groceries that went in the garbage and you know like that that's that's just 0.58

00:43:54.100 not accurate and i question i mean she called herself the camp director at one point like

00:44:00.620 would the camp director be on one of her tasks if she she said she was you know handling all the

00:44:07.340 departments like a functioning kitchen you know like i mean when i kind of put in myself or was

00:44:14.240 put into a leadership role and kind of roll rose up everything was like a well-oiled machine that

00:44:19.280 kitchen boom it was functioning pumping out hundreds of meals there was no waste um the the

00:44:26.420 people in charge would give us lists this is what we need please if we can get it that was what would

00:44:32.380 get bought for them because it would be supplementing the stuff that wasn't getting donated

00:44:37.320 because some people were donating some food too but when you're cooking for hundreds of people

00:44:42.080 several or a couple meals a day you burn through um supply and it's not even just that it's because

00:44:50.040 the crowd was always fluctuating too right like who knows how much you're supposed to have one

00:44:55.380 day you've got 50 people the next day you've got 40 people the next day you've got 150 people you

00:44:59.940 don't know right and and so you're running out and you want to make sure that you've got enough

00:45:04.700 and you're correct the refrigerator the first time i went there she told me you got to stop at

00:45:09.420 the home hardware and get a fan for this for this trailer that we want to refrigerate right i'm not

00:45:15.100 sure if they ever used the thing but i managed to to get this thing at the last second before all

00:45:19.880 the stores closed in revvy there but um you know that that's the kind of thing people would do they

00:45:25.380 would just they would go out and they would if you were on the road someplace katie or karen or you

00:45:31.620 uh would call and say hey look while you're out there can you pick up so blah blah blah blah if

00:45:36.220 you're in vernon or wherever you happen to be right because that that's just the way it operated

00:45:41.140 nobody said no i'm not doing that oh yeah and you would bring the receipt and um they would

00:45:46.280 reimburse you for for i personally again my own personal perspective is i never did that i never

00:45:53.440 cared to get the money for the most part but if people were asked to do that like they would

00:45:58.660 they would have no problem you know like here you go here's your money kind of thing right

00:46:03.600 yeah yeah so mismanagement of money well what about the wine bottles well right away that got

00:46:11.880 addressed right when that happened it became like a a controversy you know like so it wasn't like a

00:46:17.720 new thing she's bringing up here and you know like katie bought a case of wine for one of her family 0.50

00:46:23.180 members that she thought they wanted they didn't end up wanting it she paid for that with her own 0.67

00:46:27.620 money and she thought it would be a nice treat to just keep it and and have it for you know people

00:46:34.720 that were volunteers that julie said herself she drank three bottles right so i mean that's actually

00:46:39.860 what what she said was i had three bottles she didn't say she drank it we got to be specific

00:46:46.780 i'm not saying julie sat there and found it three bottles but uh you know she was given three and

00:46:52.540 great i'm glad she was right but you know like what was it what were the was everyone at like

00:46:59.000 a nazi war camp or something like the public some of these haters it's like why did you have a drink

00:47:08.340 why you have a cigarette why like people were there volunteering supporting the family raising

00:47:16.140 awareness for these ostriches but they were also human beings like do people not go home from work

00:47:21.660 have a beer or a wine if that's their thing or you know something like that so uh me i'm not

00:47:27.820 really a big wine drinker i didn't drink any wine i have the odd odd drink you know or whatever

00:47:32.600 but um i i can't even believe that is like a oh my lord like there was a case of wine

00:47:39.960 katie to the volunteers everything is such a great big controversy now in this particular clip

00:47:48.580 She's going to talk about John Casamaditas.

00:47:50.840 Now, he's a billionaire.

00:47:52.760 He's American.

00:47:54.140 I remember talking to him on the phone quite often while I was there,

00:47:57.940 and they were coming up with ways that they could get the word out.

00:48:01.940 And John, because he's a billionaire, offered up some money for legal fees.

00:48:06.880 Here's Julie's impression of it.

00:48:08.680 There are these large legal bills that have come up,

00:48:11.840 and I believe it's more than 50% that are still unpaid,

00:48:15.040 or a figure of about $300,000 outstanding in legal bills, based on what you witnessed

00:48:21.120 with the amount of money coming in and all these accounts that have come out since with

00:48:24.480 how much has been fundraised, does that trouble you?

00:48:27.260 Does that make any sense to you at all?

00:48:28.800 Is this much unpaid?

00:48:29.800 No, it does not make any sense to me at all.

00:48:33.760 It is the reason that I'm still speaking out about this.

00:48:36.060 I kind of wanted to just let it go.

00:48:37.800 I wanted to leave it in the past, but I can't stand by and watch good hearted people give their money to a cause that it's just, like there's no accounting for where the money's going whatsoever.

00:48:54.520 And it's being misused.

00:48:56.180 Like there is absolutely no way why those debts, or no reason why those debts shouldn't be paid.

00:49:00.800 Yeah.

00:49:01.000 Yeah. Like there was, I mean, I knew that the people providing the feed for the ostriches hadn't been paid, you know, like that kind of thing.

00:49:10.180 Like, why hasn't that been paid yet? You know, or the lawyer's bills.

00:49:14.960 We also read whether it was true or not, but there was the man from the States, John Casamadides.

00:49:21.580 He had said that he would pay the legal bills. He had said he would pay the legal bills.

00:49:26.980 So why did you even need any other money?

00:49:31.000 yeah like you know julie was long gone before most of these things even happened or before

00:49:40.080 like i mean if she she by her own admission left by june there was like july august september

00:49:47.900 october november that's when the legal battle really grew for one and then edged towards 0.60

00:49:54.560 supreme court so i mean she would only be able to speak on june and i don't even know if she has 1.00

00:50:00.440 those exact whatever people were or what they were paying to lawyer bills but like how does 0.96

00:50:06.540 she know what was paid when along the way you know the the payments that that a lot of us that

00:50:14.100 were around for the duration watch the family pay so you know i think um it's a little crazy

00:50:23.560 john casimedias paying all the bills well we all know he didn't hear he agreed to pay what twenty

00:50:30.400 five thousand dollars towards the league years it was another american billionaire a buddy of john

00:50:35.920 i guess john reached up to him and andy threw in 10 g's too so that thirty five thousand dollars

00:50:43.820 went straight to the lawyers the family didn't like it's not like it went to the family then

00:50:49.420 they paid the lawyers, that transaction, John Castamideas and his friend, or I think it probably

00:50:55.260 came from one source in the end, but it went right directly to the lawyers. So I think the reason why

00:51:02.780 people like Julie and definitely the hate groups and stuff are carrying this is because I think it

00:51:08.660 was c ct ctv if i recall they aired a clip and it was like american billionaire pays legal fees

00:51:19.680 for ostrich farm in edgewood bc and we all know how the mainstream media works they're not

00:51:25.980 technically lying yeah he paid legal fees he just didn't pay all the legal fees um they are lying

00:51:33.620 it's a lie of omission yeah no it's gross really and and it was addressed right away katie if you

00:51:40.740 recall put a post up was public about how much john uh had contributed and andy had contributed

00:51:47.580 and definitely was a hundred percent transparent about that everybody knew it was all over social

00:51:53.060 media there's no way miss julie didn't know that come on let's be realistic everybody knew that

00:51:58.720 And, you know, it really actually hurt the family more than, not the donation obviously helped them, but the CTV clip that suggested that their legal bills were covered actually hindered, you know, people.

00:52:17.840 More donations.

00:52:18.620 Yeah, they thought, well, it's all covered.

00:52:19.840 I don't have to worry about it.

00:52:20.920 Right?

00:52:21.380 Exactly.

00:52:21.820 So by no means did the family get their legal fees covered by John Casamideas, other than $35,000, and by no means did the publicity around it benefit them in any way, shape, or form.

00:52:35.140 Right. What do you think Julie's... Under what circumstances did she leave the farm? 0.86

00:52:43.160 There was all that drama. When Jim Kerr came right away, her...

00:52:47.900 We're going to get to Kerr later on.

00:52:49.600 that's what it was about like drama through that situations and then developing onwards of

00:52:56.040 butting heads with with individuals right you know i think it got to a point where the family

00:53:01.120 was like well if that's how you feel um it's probably best if you leave because i believe

00:53:07.340 julie got a little kind of more demanding like you know she's by her own mission said you know

00:53:11.920 i told him i think it should be this way or i don't think katie is the right person to run 0.99

00:53:17.300 uh handle the money like why would it be a supporter's choice who the ostrich farm family

00:53:24.320 chooses to to handle that stuff you know like why would it be my choice why would it be your choice

00:53:32.180 why would it be the camp director jeff i'm the camp director right it seems kind of self-appointed

00:53:38.520 to me and um you're absolutely correct when when you say that you know when i showed up i show up

00:53:47.280 is a journalist, right? And I was watching everything for two, two and a half weeks. I

00:53:53.800 watched everything. I watched interactions between people. I watched their facial expressions,

00:53:59.300 their body language. I watched everything just so I could get a read on what these people were

00:54:07.800 all about. And it seemed to me that Julie was somebody who felt like she was the smartest

00:54:14.360 person in the room and the only one that could handle what was going on there and heaven forbid 0.70

00:54:19.960 katie should ever have her hands on any money because she's a she's a up that's what i think 1.00

00:54:25.000 julie thinks that's an opinion she's saying it with what she said without saying it right 1.00

00:54:32.840 right she's trying to be nice about it but i mean this boils down to interpersonal dynamics

00:54:39.400 and for some reason she still got an axe to grind and she's making stuff up i mean to me

00:54:47.800 that's that's out of bounds and there's a lot of stuff i know that happened at the ostrich farm

00:54:56.060 that had absolutely nothing to do with the family at all and i'm not willing to talk about it because

00:55:03.800 you know what some things just need to stay where they are and that's all there is to it

00:55:09.500 you put a group of 100 150 and during uh farm aid there i'm not sure how many people

00:55:16.720 came through the weekend through then and then september gosh the night when tamara was there

00:55:21.900 and uh jimmy nicks yeah it was great it was the easiest weekend i've seen there in the whole time

00:55:27.440 and that was i think we pushed close to 500 people the car the plt team was shocked like the cars were

00:55:34.960 coming in like a convoy what happens when you get all of these people in the same area together

00:55:43.600 obviously there's going to be some people that pair off and go out to the bush or find a

00:55:48.780 a trailer or an empty oh no whatever and you know i know about a lot of that stuff but why on earth

00:55:57.440 And it's not my business to come out publicly and say, oh, by the way, so-and-so was cheating

00:56:02.120 on his wife or her husband.

00:56:04.500 It's not my thing.

00:56:06.080 But here's Julie speculating, where's Katie's husband?

00:56:11.700 You know, you mentioned it started with sort of the Freedom Convoy crowd.

00:56:14.420 But then as it started to gain traction, a lot of influencers and media personalities

00:56:19.240 started showing up.

00:56:20.920 What did that do to the atmosphere on the farm when you started having some different

00:56:25.500 personalities like that showing up?

00:56:27.440 It started to create more of a divide. One thing is it started to create more of a divide. We found that the people, Katie in particular, they would pay more attention to those influencers. My concern was that I knew some of those influencers, I guess you would call them, and they've got bad histories. They're not very well respected.

00:56:48.180 and not just because they're not liked because of their right-wing views or whatever but personal

00:56:54.180 issues allegations against them um major personality flaws major personality flaws yeah now

00:57:03.140 while you were out on the farm i know who she's talking about there i'm not gonna say it but i

00:57:07.860 know who she's talking about there did katie's husband ever come to the farm at all was he ever

00:57:12.500 seen as part of this? Never. No. Okay. So you haven't met him? No. I was there for almost three

00:57:18.260 months and I didn't ever see him. Um, I've heard that maybe he went out to the farm once in all

00:57:25.720 of this time, all of this time. And she had been there since just after April 16th, after the

00:57:32.420 hearing in Vancouver. That was the first time Katie was at the farm, by the way. She didn't

00:57:37.040 live there. She wasn't involved with anything. She didn't do any of the farming. She just came

00:57:41.620 after the hearing on april 16th and she just never went home and that was part of the question is

00:57:47.460 everyone's like um you have a husband you have not young children but she's got children in a farm

00:57:53.140 a hobby farm um that was always the question why are you not going home

00:58:03.300 okay

00:58:03.700 what's that all about i don't i i don't i don't know really um so okay so hold on hold on hold

00:58:13.680 on hold on you've already answered off the top of the show but i see that more and more people

00:58:18.200 have shown up here to watch this live and it's going to be available on all the social media

00:58:22.700 platforms later on in case you can't stay but at the beginning of the show tonight the first

00:58:27.400 questions i asked and i know this answer already but i asked jeff kind of as a joke between the

00:58:32.860 two of us jeff did you have an affair with candy pacidney yeah we laughed right i kind of giggled

00:58:38.120 of course i didn't um as much as the haters and the hate groups obviously are spreading

00:58:43.980 misinformation they always try to you know nobody um tried to be malicious towards me until i kind

00:58:50.900 of rose to the occasion till i said okay i need to take on a role for this family and this fight

00:58:56.640 it was particularly when the cfia took over i kind of was willing to be right up there and

00:59:01.740 and you know like put myself in that pressure spot and you know it seemed like when i really

00:59:08.420 started taking a stand for the farm all of a sudden people wanted to do attack you know um

00:59:14.760 and it's sad you know me and katie were more like brother and sister um you know asper was

00:59:20.640 you know you you said you've frozen on the screen by the way we can still hear you but your face is

00:59:24.980 kind of frozen into a probably might have to yeah go out and come back in there you are okay

00:59:33.360 you said that her husband troy yeah did come out to the farm yeah that's right uh he came out well

00:59:41.420 i've met him a couple times like not a lot but i definitely met him and um summertime he came out

00:59:47.440 one i went i happened to be there when he was there uh he was there a couple days like kind

00:59:52.000 of over the same weekend i was i got to know him um a bit yeah you know as much as you can in a

00:59:57.900 couple days uh had a beer with them great guy i really liked him i mean in my opinion i'm a

01:00:04.460 husband i have i have a wife and we have a family and a home so both of us couldn't you know with

01:00:11.220 what i was doing at the ostrich farm there would be no way both of us could commit to something

01:00:17.160 like that at the same time right because we have a home to keep you know you have to make sure you

01:00:24.500 know the income's rolling in you have family to take care of whatever maybe pets so i always looked

01:00:30.940 at it like that like he's got a business they have a family they have a home they have a hobby farm

01:00:36.140 she's out here fighting this cause i would assume troy or her husband was at home you know um 0.69

01:00:43.320 holding down the fort because that's what my wife was doing when i was um at the universal

01:00:48.060 ostrich farm right so i i didn't ever really seen it as anything katie would go home when she had

01:00:53.140 opportunities too but she was committed to um you know to her mother's farm and to the family cause

01:01:00.080 you know the funny thing about that you're right in saying that um whenever i saw katie just kind

01:01:06.940 of off by herself which wasn't very often because somebody was always tugging on her arm you know

01:01:11.940 what i mean you're frozen again by the way you want to pop out and come back in but um you know

01:01:18.920 she there was always something going on she never had a moment so how on earth could she

01:01:29.240 you know with her state of mind too and the way she is how could she have taken a couple of days 1.00

01:01:35.180 to go home and then come back and and to go home and forget about everything and then come back i

01:01:41.360 mean i i understand the stress the strain that would put on any marriage on any family i totally

01:01:47.120 understand but it seems to me that troy is a pretty understanding dude and realized exactly

01:01:53.040 how committed she she was and still is to this cause yeah that that's what i always assumed it

01:02:00.320 was never something that we ever really you know discussed we were all just so committed to what

01:02:05.620 was going on functioning and this and that and you know like we just we didn't really talk about

01:02:12.340 those things they weren't important that the cause was the focus point so you know it was the outside

01:02:17.960 world you know the people that are surfing the net and and trolling like that was their concerns like

01:02:24.700 we were we were fighting for the the fight of your life like a fight that has never actually

01:02:31.320 been fought in canada before the way it was that was a canadian first you know it was something that

01:02:38.440 very well could dictate a change one day in in the in the future so i mean all these things that

01:02:45.580 you know the outside world or a handful of people were focusing on just never really were in the

01:02:51.720 minds of those who were like in the in the moment in the element right it's amazing to me that all

01:02:59.080 of that stuff was happening and you're right on the outside all of the people in all of the groups

01:03:03.580 going i wonder what's going on with me she hasn't seen her husband in months right like that that's

01:03:08.580 not anything that anybody ever in my experience anybody ever brought up at the farm when i was

01:03:14.860 there and it was necessarily a focal point of discussion with people i knew um any of the

01:03:21.000 people i hung out with everybody right but yeah i i just those things weren't important you know

01:03:26.180 we would tell each other about our lives everybody knew like we all knew we had families and this and

01:03:31.660 that like within our inner core we were so close we were like a family right you know like so i mean

01:03:37.780 um yeah i mean we just we didn't focus on any of that outside banter and stuff and i think that's

01:03:46.680 why um a lot of people like would make act well katie why doesn't she defend herself because

01:03:52.260 she didn't even realize you just keep doing what you do you just you let those people do what they

01:03:58.360 do and you you focus you keep your eyes on the prize right you try one last clip here where uh

01:04:06.440 julie decides she wants to name names at least one name here and where you realized that something

01:04:14.280 wasn't right I think when I saw the amount of just the ridiculous behavior 0.99

01:04:23.180 of Katie and Jim Kerr just the way that they ran around the place like they just

01:04:29.320 I mean good on them they were having the time of their lives they were having the

01:04:33.480 summer of their lives but they they were the money was going sideways the

01:04:38.820 behavior was sideways just the arrogance was really hard to take and the

01:04:45.660 weight when I saw that somebody like Jim was gonna be given that kind of

01:04:50.820 responsibility instead of there were so many people there good smart people they

01:04:55.980 owned their own businesses like some of the people that were there were there

01:04:59.760 because their jobs allowed them to be there right and they would have had the

01:05:03.620 kind of um um experience and knowledge that could have helped things run smoothly and when i saw

01:05:11.380 that she chose him and let him be in charge of things and not others that had been around longer

01:05:18.420 with maybe more experience with a bit more of a rational head on their shoulders that was yeah

01:05:25.620 what's she inferring sorry well i think she's basically saying you know like

01:05:34.200 why do you keep freezing on the screen it's annoying i don't my friend here let me switch

01:05:39.780 go to a hard wire if you can

01:05:43.200 there is that better well i can hear you yeah there that's better okay

01:05:54.980 perfect um i sensed from my perspective and i shared it on my live yesterday um she felt

01:06:03.540 threatened by jim because she was the cap director i guess when when jim kind of rolled in and and i

01:06:09.700 don't think when she says jim was put in a power position i don't think that's what it was i think

01:06:13.440 jim came in and his purpose there was to spread a message for the universal auction firm because

01:06:18.580 they were having trouble getting that message out to a vast amount of people at that time

01:06:23.400 and he came along he was sharing it before he came spreading their message and he chose to come out

01:06:28.940 and I think things were rapidly growing at that time because of that extra you know attention

01:06:35.260 the farm was starting to get and so I think that Katie was was naturally just working with Jim

01:06:41.060 right out the gate like yeah like this is what my job here is that's what Katie was doing the 0.65

01:06:46.640 spokesperson for the farm getting getting the awareness out how do we do that you have the

01:06:52.320 ability to do that teach me show me how this works kind of thing and i think you know together

01:06:57.520 they they were doing that all the time i mean this comment of time of their life well according

01:07:02.520 to julie she was having the time of her life in her interview she loved the camping sitting by

01:07:06.920 the fire vibe clearly having wines and and this and that so i don't know i saw her more than once

01:07:14.020 sitting by the campfire drinking and staggering back to her trailer at the end

01:07:20.020 i'm not gonna say i didn't see it either ever i mean like let's be honest here you know i mean

01:07:27.440 the way she makes it seem is that she was there pretty sad you know you're pointing these things

01:07:33.080 out well that's the teapot calling the kettle out right i mean you're in a situation and i suppose

01:07:42.440 in a way you went to freedom convoy in ottawa i was i was here at freedom convoy in the winnipeg

01:07:49.160 area which not nearly as big and not nearly as uh uh let's just say social no social and maybe

01:07:59.180 not as as rowdy also yeah i know it was social at freedom convoy people people drank people

01:08:04.940 you know like they made friends they they found people from different parts of the country like

01:08:11.460 somebody from new brunswick or somebody from alberta with the same mindset with the same

01:08:16.300 canadian mindset and these are friends that you make for life right it just seems that way to me

01:08:23.080 and my friends that i met there that are like some of my closest friends in the world today right

01:08:27.640 yeah and and i'll tell you something else that i i would say without having the experience of ottawa

01:08:34.320 that in many ways the ostrich farm although spread out over the course of a much longer

01:08:42.060 time frame was a lot like the freedom convoy i mean that because honestly when i went there

01:08:50.520 right at the beginning shadow one of my things was to observe meet the family understand what

01:08:56.600 they were fighting for understand everything and over my first few visits when i when i developed

01:09:02.060 my you know commitment because i'm the type of guy like the freedom convoy stuff i drive across

01:09:07.760 the country in the dead of winter if I'm committed to something right so you know when as I was

01:09:13.340 figuring that out what I realized is this exactly aligns with the values of why we were in Ottawa

01:09:22.600 in 2022 and it was a different situation a different entity of government but it was overreach

01:09:30.880 it was about crushing the little guy it was about controlling the little guy it was about setting

01:09:37.300 the narrative and instantly i was like this is that fight right here right here closer to home

01:09:46.040 uh and it's real and and and and the people that were behind it were genuine people and i was like

01:09:52.700 let's go and to be honest i knew at that moment i'm seeing this through and this is back in you

01:09:59.780 know that was after a few visits so sometime early may and you know here we are today shadow march

01:10:04.760 2026 the next year and we're you know i'm dealing with the aftermaths dealing with

01:10:10.380 you know like part of being committed to a cause is being there in those good times sitting by the

01:10:16.740 fire you know kumbaya and and having i mean you know what people make fun they use that expression

01:10:22.920 oh kumbaya moment well that's what it was it was at times we all you were there i remember singing

01:10:29.200 by the fire you were on the guitar how was on the accordion we were jamming out the oldies it was a

01:10:35.280 beautiful beautiful moment but you know committed to the cause is that moment and it's the moment

01:10:41.600 the cfia takes over and it's you know what that that harshest climate it's the moment those birds

01:10:48.160 are getting slaughtered by the government and it's also dealing with the aftermath of of the scenario

01:10:56.240 you know being committed is is start to finish and you know that's why we're doing this today

01:11:01.120 that's why i've i've been defending the family not defending the family but sharing my perception

01:11:07.020 you know which which aligns with the defense i guess and it's because you know this is what you

01:11:14.340 do you you you commit even when it's tough you know even when you get to that mountain and the

01:11:19.660 hike starts going uphill you know that's when you kick it into high gear and you see it through so

01:11:24.520 you know i figured that out back in the spring of 2025 that that's how it was going to be

01:11:28.660 and and here we are you know so you're right it was the freedom convoy in eastern british

01:11:34.980 columbia it wasn't a convoy but it was ottawa it was that same thing canadians coming together

01:11:40.640 standing up for the little guy defending the future of our children because if we don't do

01:11:46.440 that what do we do and the camaraderie also is something you know i mean the second time i came

01:11:52.280 out i brought maggie hope brawn with and uh she was fantastic out there too you know i mean

01:11:58.240 drea humphrey from rebel was out there uh i think mr sunshine baby came out there

01:12:05.360 uh with his dristan or whatever otrovin no spray there was and i don't know how somebody like julie

01:12:14.480 can sit back and say oh all these influencers come out and when the influencers come out all

01:12:18.340 the division started what i can say is people have accused me of being an ostrich farm supporter and

01:12:26.140 not a journalist and i can say you know what i'm a hybrid journalist but yeah that's my definition

01:12:30.920 in life that's my i'm defined you're not a journalist you're an ostrich one of the main

01:12:38.660 ostrich farm supporters yeah right you're forever going to be known as ostrich man

01:12:44.080 but i uh you know i said okay so you go and spend two two and a half weeks you want to get to know

01:12:50.800 everything about how the thing operates you want to know you know how the people are dealing with

01:12:58.120 the situation and you can't do that from afar you can't stand back 100 feet and watch no no yeah

01:13:07.340 even when i was at home watching on the days i wasn't there it's just it's different than you're

01:13:13.620 when you're right in that moment you know and that's what i find funny about you know the way

01:13:18.120 the world watches things like this they see it through a lens you know a lens and a perspective

01:13:24.280 in a moment without the context of the world around it and you know um it's very easy to

01:13:31.860 you know to paint pictures to draw conclusions and you know to to not understand because i tell

01:13:39.300 you every person that came out there even the ones that came for a couple hours they were like

01:13:43.600 i'm so glad i came you know like i get it i feel it now i understand for myself yeah you know and

01:13:51.780 for me being there of course you're going to get close to some people that's natural that's human

01:13:58.160 right i've made friends with you we're friends for life now you and me yeah and you know but

01:14:02.680 that does not stop me from asking you difficult questions and you knew that was going to happen

01:14:07.480 i love about you you're you're one of canada's you know like transparent journalists you know

01:14:13.300 Like even grill a friend, like, you know, and, and, you know, maybe that Anthony Russo guy could learn something from you.

01:14:20.680 You know, he's a young guy trying to be a journalist, you know, like, why not take an angle like this?

01:14:27.260 You know, ask questions, but want to know transparent answers, not want to paint a picture, especially when individuals out there are like, hey, you know, I'm here to talk to you if you want to ask me questions.

01:14:39.260 questions well don't just sit there and read off a list of questions off a piece of paper that you

01:14:44.720 worked out i mean it's a conversation and you're in the conversation and you adjust the questions

01:14:49.920 that you have based upon the flow of the conversation the vibe of the conversation

01:14:54.720 you know i and i think that i want to wrap this up tonight jeff by both of us telling

01:15:00.120 a story of joy from the ostrich farm but also uh telling a story of harrowing terror

01:15:07.800 um and i'll start if you don't mind with a story of happiness there was one night after the campfire

01:15:17.200 everybody was was going to bed and the family put me up in one of those rooms up in the second floor

01:15:24.660 of the house there and i was i was expecting to sleep in my car to be honest but they said nope

01:15:28.720 you're going to be up in that in that room up there uh the one without the windows you know

01:15:33.420 the room the middle room yeah the middle room and so i was gonna go in and i just stopped i stopped

01:15:39.980 before going in the door and pitch black but still 21 degrees it was a beautiful night and i'm just

01:15:49.340 looking up at the stars and because it's such a remote place there's no light bleed from a major

01:15:56.220 city like 20 miles down the road it's just and you're in the mountains you're in the heart of

01:16:00.620 of those mountains and i'm looking up going my god this is amazing this is so amazing and katie

01:16:08.400 she was there the whole time and i guess i was talking to myself she goes what's amazing

01:16:14.260 i said look now when you're when you're out there and you live your life out there like that

01:16:20.260 you i guess it's easy to take things for granted for me being a flatlander it was one of the most

01:16:27.120 amazing things and she just stood there with me looking up at the stars and she said you're right

01:16:32.760 i can't even tell you how long we were standing there it could have been five minutes it could

01:16:39.640 have been a half an hour but it was amazing just for me personally in that moment because it was

01:16:47.680 a moment that removed you from the tension and the strife of every day knowing that the rcmp

01:16:54.660 could be rolling down the street at any time we knew that we were always living under that knife

01:16:58.580 all the time and in a moment a moment like that after people had had a good time at the campfire

01:17:05.560 singing songs that to me was the end of a fantastic night and you know i just wanted to thank everybody

01:17:13.420 who i met at the ostrich farm family you doug jody kelly you know all the darcy all of the

01:17:24.240 great people that i met out there who i'm always going to remember fondly just for a moment like

01:17:31.060 that you're next what's what story you want that's going to be hard to tell my friend um i remember

01:17:37.800 that night and i think that's the night we were all singing by the fire and that i i i would

01:17:42.560 imagine i never got to experience that last moment but um mine might be a little more corny and

01:17:48.260 people might some people might laugh out there because not everybody has the same beliefs as me

01:17:52.280 but uh we just ended farming or no we were ending farm eight it was sunday um pastor art had just

01:17:58.360 preached um i was a little ran down me and you were roommates that weekend i remember right

01:18:04.200 um and so we were going to bed late waking up early it was hot it was you know and we were down

01:18:10.120 by the river sure you could jump in the river but it was like a hundred degrees and everyone was

01:18:14.280 drained hydrated and art uh did that speech and i remember he said i'm gonna let's go baptize

01:18:21.320 people down the river who wants to be baptized and a bunch of people kind of just went down there

01:18:26.980 and respective i mean art was wearing a full suit when he did the the sermon yeah yeah 35 degrees

01:18:37.060 i was feeling off that day you know like i just was like oh you know like i i was going home at

01:18:44.380 the end of that day and i was like oh we got to get all this i was focused on getting we got to

01:18:48.480 get the work done and the cleanup now and you know and then i was like art was going down there and i

01:18:53.620 wasn't going to go down at first and then like i was walking towards my pickup and uh something

01:19:00.300 just was like go down to the river jeff and so i threw on my shorts and i grabbed a towel and i

01:19:05.760 walked down and i i leaned against that log you know that was kind of after the first little creek

01:19:11.220 and on the little island and i and there was 30 or 40 people there and and someone was standing

01:19:16.620 And Art was baptizing them.

01:19:19.000 And Marty was helping them, dipping into the deep heart.

01:19:24.280 And, you know, I've been baptized when I was a kid.

01:19:27.460 You know, I was a believer at a young age.

01:19:29.220 I was lucky enough to have my grandma.

01:19:30.620 My parents weren't really into it too much.

01:19:33.180 But my grandma would take me to Sunday school.

01:19:35.180 And I got to know the Lord pretty young.

01:19:39.060 But I hadn't been baptized in 30, 35 years or whatever.

01:19:44.180 And as much as I have a connection with Christ, I felt in that moment, maybe, maybe you're a little distant because something was calling me. And after watching a whole bunch of people there get baptized, I was like, you know what, a lot of people get re-baptized to re-establish, you know, their commitment.

01:20:03.340 And so as a growing man, I was like, you know what, I'm next.

01:20:06.260 And Pastor Art, he asked me some questions, and then him and Marty baptized me.

01:20:12.380 And in that moment, I hit that water, and I came out, and no word of a lie.

01:20:17.260 My head was as clear as it had been in months.

01:20:21.440 That fog that was there earlier in the day was gone.

01:20:25.340 and you know like I just I don't know if it was just the energy of everybody and God and that

01:20:31.580 place and just how special of a place it is to me in general but um you know it it was I think

01:20:40.200 about it still to this day I think about it regularly that moment with those people and you

01:20:46.180 know the haters they made fun of it I published it because I was so proud and I and I loved that

01:20:50.960 moment so much and i thought it was such a beautiful experience in the in the middle of

01:20:55.500 all this bar made a whole bunch of people renewed their faith and a whole bunch of people um found

01:21:04.280 found the lord and i remember over 50 of them i recall i remember watching came to me and he was

01:21:09.660 like jeff he's like i never ever thought you know he he would say i'll never embrace embrace this

01:21:17.600 stuff and uh that day he embraced it and he still does to this day and he said to me he he said jeff

01:21:23.260 it's real isn't it and i said oh you bet it is brother and you know like to me that was my there

01:21:28.480 was so many happy moments but you know for me that was the most memorable moment it was such a

01:21:34.160 a combination of fellowship spirituality a re reinforcement you know everything all at all at

01:21:43.240 once brother it was it was great okay i i'm gonna uh i'm gonna tell you a harrowing moment that i

01:21:51.080 had i wasn't there at the end like you were so you you will have the last say on this one but

01:21:58.040 for me it was one morning it was very early it was about 5 30 6 o'clock and alarms started ringing

01:22:06.040 all over the property and people you could hear feet hitting the floor as they were getting out

01:22:13.700 of bed like what the hell this may have been my second or third day and i had no concept of what

01:22:19.140 was going on uh somebody had called in that there was a convoy of uh police officers or white

01:22:26.580 vehicles coming down the twisting highway and the monarchy and i i went holy whoa so i gotta

01:22:36.740 put something on and went running out there with everybody right to the road and it was like

01:22:42.860 heartbeat city here we come right like there's something coming this is bad people are prepared

01:22:48.280 what got me more than anything was people were willing to lay in front of these cars that were 0.88

01:22:56.380 coming down the road there, Langeal Road, to stop these guys from getting to the ostriches. 0.90

01:23:03.900 They weren't going to be violent about it, but they were willing to lay their bodies down in 0.98

01:23:11.380 front of these vehicles so that the cars couldn't pass. And the panic of that morning was like,

01:23:16.400 here it is. This is it. Right. And people were wondering, were these guys, did they come in

01:23:22.220 from vernon did they come in from colonna uh were they at some kind of a secret spot that we didn't

01:23:28.000 see that was within five miles of the farm nobody knew and there were drones up looking patrolling

01:23:33.600 to see and then the drones too that would come over sometimes it was like what what are these

01:23:39.000 guys doing like they're reconning the place crazy much yeah but um in that moment we thought this is

01:23:47.660 it this is what's this is how it's going to go down and it didn't turned out to be a false alarm

01:23:53.920 which was a huge relief to everybody and then you know after an hour or so people calmed down

01:24:00.700 the adrenaline rush kind of went away and you know we sat and and thought maybe this is you

01:24:07.300 know the the opening act of something horrible yet to come even though we were hoping against

01:24:11.860 hope that everything was going to be okay um and you i guess at the end you know the the photo i

01:24:19.840 put up for the show tonight the thumbnail that people are going to see on rumble and youtube

01:24:23.740 and facebook and x is you with a megaphone and your fist up in the air and i think you were

01:24:32.600 yelling at the rcmp at that stage yeah it was the cfi yeah both of them i you know i have i have a

01:24:40.020 couple moments you know you say that the most terrified but there was two moments that brought

01:24:45.060 the energy to that level one and it wasn't the terror moment but it was the most

01:24:51.200 where you you gotta you gotta dig as deep as you you can in that moment as deep as you that's what

01:24:59.940 you're built for a moment and we we this was similar to your moment it was the the night it

01:25:07.560 actually did happen though we we got notification the hotels were filling up in vernon we had we

01:25:12.980 had people everywhere watching for us right we we knew exactly where the cops the cfia were all

01:25:19.260 setting up wherever they were staying for the night it was very clear they were getting ready

01:25:23.740 to come uh the next morning right on target we we knew when they wanted to get there so we knew that

01:25:30.900 meant they had to be leaving vernon at 4 a.m sure enough the phones rang they're on they're gearing

01:25:36.660 up the cars are starting they're on their way we knew we had two hours we were building up to those

01:25:42.840 two hours and and i knew what my role was i already committed to the family i would be that

01:25:48.900 guy because i knew karen and dave and katie were going to be in those pens they needed to protect

01:25:53.840 their birds and i committed to them i will be that guy i promise you i will not not be that guy for

01:25:59.900 you i won't i won't run i'll face it and uh so it was moments before the cfia ruled in we knew

01:26:08.600 they were just moments up the highway and karen and katie and dave were standing at the edge of

01:26:13.060 the fence and we look over and we see this convoy that never is ending because you know from that

01:26:20.820 side you could see the highway a couple months stretch and it was like here they're coming which

01:26:25.520 means they're only a few minutes from around the corner and a lot of the supporters had parked

01:26:29.560 their vehicles along land jill and did whatever to try to prevent make it so that it was going to

01:26:35.880 be slow for them to come and uh they all geared up at the end of that highway and there was

01:26:41.680 hundreds of them up there cops and guys in SWAT gear and c cfia and plt and and an army

01:26:49.240 And I started walking by myself up that road to this line of cops.

01:27:00.600 By the mailboxes, like right at the corner there?

01:27:03.600 Well, just up a little bit.

01:27:05.180 As far as they could get up, you know, a couple hundred meters up

01:27:08.060 from where someone had set up some stuff they couldn't drive by.

01:27:11.720 How many of them were there?

01:27:13.160 I would say a couple hundred if you add all the cops, all the CFIA, everything.

01:27:17.700 because what from what i was told later on they sent in everything day one because they didn't

01:27:22.720 know and then they split into shifts at that kind of point right so for me walking up to that moment

01:27:29.080 because i had a couple hundred meters as i'm walking up to this line i'm like are these guys

01:27:32.920 gonna just take me down like the second i get to them am i just gonna be like boom down hogtied

01:27:39.740 back in back of a hob car you don't know like i don't know what's going on i'm not a professional

01:27:46.040 police negotiator. I'm a dad, a tradesman, truck driver, a freedom advocate. So I'm walking up and

01:27:55.980 that for me was the moment that, you know, I really had to dig deep and I really had to process

01:28:01.900 how to maintain myself in that moment when I arrived there. And I'll never forget it. It was

01:28:12.100 like an hour and a half it took to do a two-minute walk in my mind as it's processing up and i

01:28:19.140 remember um one of the longtime supporters he had his drill mount and he droned my walk like

01:28:25.220 up to these guys and i got to watch it afterwards and it was almost surreal for me you know

01:28:31.480 processing reliving through that moment the most terrifying moment shadow and um i know before you

01:28:38.640 go on how did like when you watch the video of you walking because that's a movie moment it was

01:28:45.160 it looks like a movie if you watch the drone footage it's it's what you see in one of those

01:28:49.920 negotiation it's it's almost corny it was your was your walk any different than normal like were

01:28:56.800 you walking slow was it to me it looked like i was just steadily focused on you know what i was

01:29:04.380 doing and debbie debbie is um a correctional officer yeah so she uh um goes to if debbie's

01:29:13.720 watching i love you debbie um if she goes to those events um like the police world games

01:29:19.780 correctional officers firemen and police go to them so she had a jacket and it was um the 20

01:29:25.740 something uh police law enforcement world games and she's like you should wear this so i had this

01:29:33.180 jacket on this official jacket that only law enforcement correctional officers and stuff have

01:29:38.980 and i walked up and they were very like open to me right away and then one of those guys he's one

01:29:46.120 of us after a while one of them actually said hey like where do you get the jacket like what do you

01:29:51.180 do and i didn't want to say anything at first because i thought at this moment this is a power

01:29:56.400 tool um they debbie was right she's like this jacket will work to your advantage and um they

01:30:03.040 they gave me a lot of respect i i i confronted them bluntly i said you know my name is jeff

01:30:09.520 i'm a supporter of the farm i'm not an owner um i'm here uh to let you know um that this is our

01:30:18.320 position, we

01:30:20.220 want to be safe,

01:30:22.280 we don't want to be violent, we don't want

01:30:24.500 to go down

01:30:26.360 that path.

01:30:27.900 Wait, wait, wait.

01:30:29.880 You got out to the end of the road

01:30:31.900 and there's all these cop cars. Were they

01:30:34.400 encircling you or was it just

01:30:36.520 one? They were all in a giant line.

01:30:38.460 So from kind of where that fire hall was,

01:30:40.700 from there, all the way

01:30:42.540 up to the end, around the corners

01:30:44.340 and way up the highway.

01:30:45.620 The whole

01:30:47.740 it just stretched for quite a while and then who was it who walked up to that kind of front

01:30:53.820 or front area who who was it who spoke to you with the guys in the lead car or was it a bunch

01:30:58.580 guys from four cars paul the one officer that would come all the time he was there

01:31:03.520 a lot some plt officers so my first interaction was with paul and plt because paul knew who i was

01:31:12.000 right all could say verify that's jeff he's he's he's safe um you know he represents the family

01:31:19.940 or whatever so then the plt confronted me now those guys their job is to be your friend let's

01:31:25.360 not be naive they're they're police negotiators but they're still cops a lot of them are sergeants

01:31:30.520 they're actually cops that are picked to go into those rules and stuff um they basically you know

01:31:36.220 i i said my piece they said their piece they're like yeah we want the same thing

01:31:42.580 they said these guys are going to get in there eventually and um we're going to be forced to do

01:31:50.500 it physically if we can't come up with a plan eventually it's kind of how they put it so we

01:31:57.320 just tried to stall as long as we possibly could shadow i would walk all the way back to the pens

01:32:02.640 give the family info then i would waste some time sit there in the pickup in the i would hop the

01:32:08.300 fence i'd climb in the pens and hang out for a bit how are you feeling in that moment though

01:32:12.020 when you were talking to these guys i mean well not not the the fat rcmp officer i forget his

01:32:18.260 name again what's his name uh paul doug made a joke one time he said look at it must be like

01:32:23.320 dress in a grape he's a decent guy i mean yeah i thought he was all right too but i mean if you're

01:32:33.300 a decent guy you know the difference between right and wrong you absolutely yes you do so

01:32:38.300 in the moment that you're talking to these outreach officers and you'd been through it

01:32:43.940 before it wasn't your first time talking to these guys i mean even i spent time talking to those

01:32:47.800 guys while i was there because yeah exactly yeah quite often i mean were you terrified on the

01:32:54.420 inside and you knew that you could not show that to them i wasn't that i was nervous because i

01:33:01.860 didn't want to see anybody get hurt and and i knew in my mind i'd already like we had talked for what

01:33:08.620 we had planned for this like but you're standing there jeff against an overwhelming force of armed

01:33:14.860 men i should have been terrified and and you you experienced that in ottawa when they came and they

01:33:22.580 started kettling the people in the streets after the emergency after the illegal emergencies act

01:33:27.460 was declared and by the way the federal government is appealing it now they had today was their

01:33:31.780 deadline and they got their appeal into the supreme court with 10 minutes to spare amazing

01:33:38.040 um you're you're talking about a hundred armed men and some of them with itchy

01:33:45.220 oh some of them looked like they wanted to like pounce on me right off the gate like they were

01:33:49.800 like they were thinking they were coming in for that scenario a lot of those guys

01:33:53.340 and and you know yeah i was nervous i was nervous but you know what was on my mind how do we buy

01:34:00.580 time like honestly that was my biggest thing like how do we buy time so i would do those walks back

01:34:07.640 and forth for the first couple hours to them back to the family back to them pretending like it was

01:34:13.000 taking time and oh i forgot what this said and you know playing dumb and why didn't they just

01:34:19.880 roll right in and yeah and then unfortunately that thing happened the incident with lois

01:34:26.680 right right right the road and i'm negotiating with the cops and over their radios i hear

01:34:32.520 there's an incident at lois's and i look at the cops the cops look at me and we're like

01:34:37.700 great how are we gonna handle this explain the the incident because there's people who know

01:34:45.620 kind of about this incident um someone who was a supporter of the farm um ended up hitting lois

01:34:53.160 and uh it's a shame you know um a lot of people tried to attack me online they thought they said

01:34:59.160 you know you condone this you think it's funny there was a point one night where I laughed

01:35:04.720 about how chaotic this situation is not particularly Lois being punched but I let

01:35:13.240 out a chuckle of like I can't believe how nuts of a of what is going on and that got portrayed as

01:35:21.000 me laughing at Lotus but I want to set the record on that shadow because it's something that

01:35:25.620 actually i didn't condone and i was actually against and i was very angry that happened i

01:35:31.920 feel like we we were we were working with the police and the the liaisons and we were trying 0.99

01:35:38.120 to establish something that individual did that stupid move hit who the frick for for one hits a 0.99

01:35:45.740 75 year old lady i mean that's just kind of bizarro if you ask me and that all went down 0.99

01:35:51.600 but what that did shadow is it rushed the process you got a little bit of a white in the corner

01:35:56.940 there you know what it rushed the process shadow it um it made it so they got closer faster

01:36:05.160 yeah because now we had to address the situation at lois's house well now they've got a reason to

01:36:14.140 right oh there's violence inside we're here to let some of them in to go deal with that so we

01:36:19.700 negotiated okay you guys come in and then we walk back out and continue negotiations but in order to

01:36:26.100 do that someone had to move a van that was across the road so as soon as that was done of course the

01:36:32.400 line moves forward right that's what they're always trying to do is move the line forward

01:36:37.500 that's their mission so um yeah it was it was sad that that happened and i believe it was

01:36:44.300 counterproductive not to our image just our image but also to morale what we already had going on

01:36:53.340 and and the work we were already doing explain the mood i mean people must have been on edge

01:37:00.360 you you were trying your best to keep it together i know that yeah yeah you describe yourself as a

01:37:06.520 hothead sometimes i i actually i i don't find that but um yeah i definitely occasionally

01:37:14.020 i suppose we all can be when we're faced with an unimaginably uh frustrating and

01:37:21.340 terrifying situation like 80 or 100 armed officers coming in to occupy your property

01:37:30.540 i mean that's that's outrageous in a free and democratic society who would ever think that

01:37:36.580 something like that would happen i felt like i was in bizarro world like i couldn't even believe

01:37:41.760 i still can't wrap my head around it um and i'm amazed that people out there actually accept that

01:37:50.180 as normal that terrifies me it got normal that was the weird part after a while it was our daily

01:37:55.980 norm and i don't even know how that it turned into the daily norm and then at the at the end

01:38:02.420 you have to unwind out of that daily norm and get back into an actual normal you know routine again

01:38:10.860 but you know like it just it was an odd day um we did everything we could to hold them off but

01:38:17.620 unfortunately that event made it so that they got closer faster we ultimately know they eventually

01:38:24.740 got to that that fence they pushed through took over my next role at that point was to make sure

01:38:30.480 we all stayed and that was my point my role moving forward safety and that we stay and

01:38:37.460 because if we weren't able to show the world what was going on it was going to be for for nothing

01:38:43.440 these birds were going to die for nothing no one was going to know what this beast of a machine

01:38:48.480 did so from that point forward it was keep the peace between the the people and the machine

01:38:54.720 across the street and that wasn't always an easy task it was stressful day in day out um at the

01:39:03.320 end of the day i would just disappear go to sleep i i it got to the point where i had to always be

01:39:08.900 focusing and doings on stuff i wasn't sitting by the fire i wasn't um you know enjoying the evenings

01:39:15.700 the way we did and that's what i mentioned before about that start to finish commitment when it's

01:39:21.940 good when it's bad when it's really bad you know i adjusted just who i was in my role in my position

01:39:28.880 in my mindset as it went on you know until we unfortunately finally got to that what would be

01:39:35.840 my most terrifying moment i would say the ultimate the climax of it all 900 to a thousand shots fired

01:39:44.340 in the dark of night i remember 30 dead yelling like you mentioned earlier on the side of the

01:39:52.000 highway through the microphones i think cbc aired a clip online with me actually swearing

01:39:58.660 and screaming at at the cfia and it was like one of cbc's most ever air of course watched clips and

01:40:07.780 it's me losing my cool so i think that's probably one of the big reasons why it's easy to say jeff

01:40:12.100 is a is a hothead but my most terrifying moment was later in that evening um the the cops i was

01:40:19.540 on the the highway side and the cops closed down the highway ran or the road randomly out of the

01:40:25.460 the blue we're not letting anybody back onto land jill road so all these protesters were stuck up on

01:40:30.860 the highway we were like what is going on so i raced i hopped in my pickup and i raced and there

01:40:36.820 was a mother and a daughter little little girl and they hopped in the back of my truck and they hid

01:40:42.100 under some blankets in the back seat because i needed to get her and her daughter back to camp

01:40:47.000 too and i got up to the police line and i said uh you gotta let me in he's like nope are you

01:40:52.440 do you live here and i was like no i don't live here i'm the mediator i'm one of the spokespeople

01:40:56.940 like i stay here i got a room like you know like i'm a regular and nope sorry if doesn't show it

01:41:03.480 on your license you can't come in and i'm at this moment i'm like oh no what's going on here um so

01:41:09.260 i was like let me speak to henderson i see the the sergeant i had developed a rapport with this

01:41:14.060 head sergeant through the process through the mediation through the keeping the peace luckily

01:41:18.960 and he's like oh you know henderson and i was like tell henderson to come talk to jeff and i

01:41:25.180 seen him go over and as soon as i guess he said that henderson's head popped up and he ran right

01:41:29.460 over and he's like hey and i was like you gotta let me in henderson i was like i i i gotta be in

01:41:35.200 there because i could clearly tell something was happening like it was shifting it was going down

01:41:39.280 and um he's like he hemmed and he's like okay i'll let you in and he's like i'm letting luke in

01:41:45.540 I'm letting Doug in and that's it

01:41:47.660 No one else is coming in

01:41:48.940 And they opened up the roadblock and they let us in

01:41:51.540 A couple hours later 1.00

01:41:53.340 They let a couple other ladies in 1.00

01:41:55.480 After things went down 1.00

01:41:57.140 That was the moment

01:41:58.880 I realized oh oh they're gearing up

01:42:01.520 Right we knew they were gearing up

01:42:03.000 But we didn't know it was going to be like

01:42:04.740 We're starting after dinner

01:42:07.360 Kind of thing right

01:42:08.260 And one of the PLT guys looked at me

01:42:10.740 And I was like it's now isn't

01:42:12.100 And he's like we just went like this

01:42:15.540 didn't even say anything. And I got mad at him. I was like, Kevin, you didn't communicate with me.

01:42:20.340 You first time you really hooped us here. You left those people up on the highway. You didn't

01:42:26.100 warn us. You didn't give me the opportunity to get these people back to safety, back to their

01:42:31.000 camp. And he's like, what do you want me to do? Go arrest them. And I just looked at him and I

01:42:37.720 pointed my finger at him and I said, Kevin, I'm very disappointed in you right now, man. And I

01:42:42.440 hopped in my truck and i raced to the house and i said it's happening now and um this is just as

01:42:48.500 the sun was starting to go down and uh you could tell that the cop's attitude suddenly shifted

01:42:56.920 right like they were put on red alert mode or whatever you know because of what was gearing up

01:43:03.700 for like it was no more uh nice guy that moment right it was red zone lockdown so on so forth

01:43:12.980 um and then um as it got dark pap the first shot and then pap pap pap pap pap pap pap pap pap pap

01:43:27.700 and and uh people were stuck on the highway and uh people were in camp going what's going on and

01:43:36.380 karen was like oh my god like we knew we lost the stay like we just lost supreme court today

01:43:41.840 like it just happened like you know like the cfia was ready to rock the whole way through the whole

01:43:47.940 plan was the second they lose the case we're coming in and we're slaughtering these birds

01:43:52.700 that was the plan the whole way through and um that was the most diabolical night i've ever

01:43:58.580 experienced in my 43 years on this planet hands down um i think about it to this day sometimes i

01:44:05.960 hear those shots and um ptsd did you get that a little bit yeah and it's funny because some of

01:44:14.140 the liaison guys called me to check on me because they suffer from that stuff all the time right in

01:44:18.700 their work and they they said you know like we just want to see how you're doing you know because

01:44:22.880 some of those guys we ended up creating a level of of respect because we made it so innocent people

01:44:28.280 didn't get hurt and they got to to stay you know that's a weird relationship like i was i was

01:44:34.080 thinking about that when you told me about that this afternoon that this plt guy texted you or

01:44:39.660 called you out of the blue like all these months later like i'm my first thought is what you call

01:44:44.700 to gloat no he was just like hey jeff it's ben i just i haven't i just wanted i've always he said

01:44:51.680 i've been meaning to check in on you and i was just like hey ben how you the family knows ben

01:44:56.520 really well he's the main plt guy and i was just like and i was just like you know not doing bad

01:45:01.740 i was straight i was like you know a little pst or ptsd from everything but i'm working through

01:45:06.640 it processing it you know getting back into my uh my my daily routine and he's like good good i'm

01:45:13.920 glad you're you're working on it it's so awesome you know you're back with your family because we

01:45:18.960 would talk about our families all the time and stuff like that and um and then the next message

01:45:24.820 it actually um it gave me a little tiny bit of peace because i don't have a lot of peace with

01:45:30.620 with the rcmp right now in my heart and the cfia not the individuals but the entity that it is

01:45:39.020 and he said to me he's like um i would be wrong not to say that because of your work

01:45:48.260 and your efforts a lot of people never got hurt and it was one of the most peaceful scenarios

01:45:55.920 that uh we ever had to deal with like that and i thank you for that

01:46:03.320 um and you're a good man a lot of people never got hurt

01:46:08.400 these are trained peace officers well not my guess but you know those scenarios where there's

01:46:14.400 such a big tension and such a big standoff and such a a thing there's generally people that

01:46:20.340 lose their cool and shit goes down right and um you know so you know what i thought at the end is

01:46:27.780 we did something good at least we somehow got through to the very end you know the cops from 0.98

01:46:34.220 hurting people well and just staying because i thought along the way if these people ever if we

01:46:39.860 ever lose our cool in the wrong way they're going to come through shut camp down haul people out

01:46:44.840 trespass everybody and um other than immediate family like they could have legally done at any

01:46:50.600 time and um kicked us out you know so i thought that was good but going back to that night you

01:46:59.220 know we were we were there and the shots were flying and my most moment was I stood on that

01:47:05.160 line and the rain was pouring and there was me little Kelly little little Kelly standing there

01:47:12.920 like a lion next to me and a few other supporters a lot of people went and locked themselves in their

01:47:18.140 campers trying to not hear these these shots and they had 30 I think it was 30 officers standing

01:47:25.820 in front of me on that line on that yellow tape um most of them young believe it or not look like

01:47:31.900 they were fresh out of the academy and i was the i was we were soaked the rain was pouring the

01:47:38.400 gunshots were going and i i lectured those cops for an hour straight i i i i there's clips of it

01:47:49.140 i i watched the clips okay occasionally because live in the moment and see in the moment after

01:47:53.640 is two different things it's what were their faces like jeff i mean they're young cops not

01:47:58.020 all of them but but many of them young like we're really understand the fact of what they were part

01:48:04.080 of and and what it meant when they chose to become an rcmp officer and the oath that they took and

01:48:11.100 the commitment that they that they wanted to serve was it this is this what our country's coming to

01:48:17.200 is our RCMP force now used as a tool to defend corrupted agencies. We've seen history repeat

01:48:26.640 itself again and again, and we know what happens when the police force that is supposed to be

01:48:32.420 designed to serve and protect the people churns in to the enforcer of the government. And I tried

01:48:41.700 to reiterate to some of the older officers tell me this is what it was like when you became an

01:48:47.400 officer so many years ago and I looked at all those young ones and I walked up that line and

01:48:52.440 I looked in their eyes and I said to them you don't have to choose this path you can walk away

01:48:58.160 you can you can be different because this moment you will reflect on it and I will reflect on it

01:49:04.960 from my perspective and everyone involved will reflect on it and these moments are the moments

01:49:10.320 that will define us as human beings

01:49:13.260 and our commitment to this world and humanity.

01:49:16.940 You know, this is not the way it's supposed to be.

01:49:20.120 That's what I drilled in their heads.

01:49:21.740 You know what, I'll tell you something, man.

01:49:23.960 People have a way of hardening themselves to tragedy, right?

01:49:28.220 And, you know, there was a text thread

01:49:31.780 from Freedom Convoy four years ago

01:49:34.760 that got sent around

01:49:35.560 from all these RCMP officers talking to each other.

01:49:38.780 they're joking about the horse trampling that old lady and they'll feel our jackboots on the ground

01:49:44.440 and they were laughing they were laughing they were laughing at the people who had gathered from

01:49:49.160 all across the country to defend what they thought this country stood for that was their response

01:49:55.860 to that and i wonder if any of them reflect back now on what they did to drag canada just that much

01:50:05.860 closer to a full-on authoritarian state and so what you did that night for an hour or two or

01:50:13.880 however long it was where you were lecturing those officers old and young and telling them

01:50:18.980 you're never going to forget this guess what they may have reverted to that state that the rcmp

01:50:27.200 joke text thread was all about and somehow been able to convince themselves that it wasn't that bad

01:50:34.800 maybe some of them but i will tell you this shadow some of them broke down in tears and

01:50:39.820 they took those sergeants took them off that line but you made them you made them jeff and you made

01:50:46.640 them aware you know i will bet you walk away from their job but they they had some of them are going

01:50:52.060 to walk away like they're they're not gonna like i can't do this again they are gonna say that they

01:50:56.720 can't do this again how do they sleep at night how do they look in the mirror now they were part of

01:51:01.400 that they were part of that operation they were part of a of a mass murder they protected these 0.91

01:51:10.040 freaking mercenaries from you guys they protected the cfia goons from being thrown off the property 0.83

01:51:21.940 they protected 0.97

01:51:23.760 a wrong

01:51:26.300 these neighboring lands

01:51:28.120 you know and held it

01:51:30.640 Allison's family

01:51:32.280 Margaret right

01:51:33.560 sister they seized 0.98

01:51:35.540 just neighbors seized their land for all that

01:51:38.200 time destroyed their property

01:51:40.360 protecting

01:51:44.040 reinforcing what

01:51:45.560 that's not what the RCMP

01:51:48.140 is supposed to be

01:51:49.020 and and it's a million spent on that dude seven million seven million dollars from what i

01:51:54.580 understand was spent on that and people are freaking out about uh where did the family

01:51:59.980 spend some donations that was sent to them to help their cause because you know what if we go

01:52:06.340 back to the very early stage and we look at their original go fund me or whatever it was

01:52:11.680 or their little their thing and save our ostriches or whatever

01:52:15.060 donate to save our ostriches this is what we are raising money for and obviously when you have

01:52:22.560 lists like that they're they're generic they're you know they don't specific like you know 13

01:52:29.260 dollars and 47 cents of this you know like it pet food supplies running the farm upkeep bills

01:52:37.260 lawyer's fees they listed it all they were honest open about what they were they were going to try

01:52:43.960 to raise money for exactly what they needed money for and that's why they were trying to raise it

01:52:49.320 um and i just want to get back hang on one second if i can government burned seven million dollars

01:52:56.800 in six weeks protecting the cfia and then destroying birds destroying birds destroying

01:53:03.760 property destroying people um what was the aftermath like how long did it take for the

01:53:10.460 rcmp to leave a couple days you know i didn't i wasn't there the day they left shadow i left a

01:53:16.080 few days later i had to get home i had to get back to my family it was time um and the next day was

01:53:24.840 brutal the next day was so brutal that was the day we watched them load the birds into super safe

01:53:33.340 bins yeah the bins that they said birds were never in ended up being the birds final

01:53:40.400 um resting place i guess well they dumped them someplace but we said we had to watch them load

01:53:49.280 them in and then we drove up to the gravel pit and we watched them load them onto the back of

01:53:54.680 semi trucks

01:53:55.420 there's no words

01:54:00.680 there's no real

01:54:02.040 anything you know

01:54:04.020 what happened

01:54:05.520 what was that

01:54:07.940 that's not what we are

01:54:12.220 it's

01:54:13.020 it's not normal

01:54:15.840 it's not healthy

01:54:16.860 it's not sane

01:54:18.160 it's not ethical

01:54:19.060 it's not humane

01:54:19.980 it's

01:54:20.420 it's exactly

01:54:22.720 what's wrong with us

01:54:24.680 as a society and a species it doesn't have to be like that is the thing

01:54:30.120 just a little common sense and compassion as long as guys like you brother are out there and guys

01:54:36.400 like me and and people like katie and karen and dave and and all the supporters along with those

01:54:42.600 people that went to ottawa you know back in 2022 as long as those fires are burning you know one

01:54:49.280 of my favorite sayings i heard at the ostrich farm and it's not like i never heard it in my

01:54:55.100 life but i watched a little kid probably the same age as my daughter tape a sign that they made with

01:55:02.920 their parents on the fence and after they moved away i looked at the sign and it said all the

01:55:12.600 darkness in the whole world cannot distinguish the light of one candle and it was probably the

01:55:22.520 most profound thing i took if i just take a phrase from everything because it was exactly what we

01:55:28.580 were doing the candle that's still burning in this country um as long as it burns as long as

01:55:34.660 there's even one of them you know there's light there's hope and there's an example that can be

01:55:41.360 set um for future generations for our kids for our neighbors have you been back um only to help uh

01:55:50.480 look a few weeks later i went to help take down tents um do a bit of cleanup organize

01:55:57.840 it's tough for me shadow i'm not gonna lie um i i do plan on um

01:56:03.120 going and and actually making my peace with with the with the place i i'm not ready yet to be honest

01:56:11.360 if that i don't know if that makes any sense but no it does it does yeah i'm not i'm not uh not

01:56:17.400 quite there there yet uh it's it's it's it's part of me now for the rest of my life you know just

01:56:23.920 like the freedom convoy uh just like everything so you know i guess that's why i decide to be

01:56:29.800 vocal when i see people speak out against the farm against the supporters because um i seen it

01:56:38.160 My perspective

01:56:40.240 Is a genuine one that not many

01:56:43.460 Can relate to

01:56:44.760 And

01:56:46.300 Other than the people that were there

01:56:49.140 You know people that were around

01:56:50.360 And you know

01:56:52.320 What the whole world does

01:56:54.300 Doesn't know what we know

01:56:55.680 Didn't live what we lived

01:56:57.200 Didn't see what we've seen

01:56:58.840 Didn't feel what we feel

01:57:00.940 So it's frustrating

01:57:02.900 To know people just sit there

01:57:05.380 In the comforts of their homes

01:57:06.920 you know with the sodas and their chips and their

01:57:12.700 whatever it may be scrolling through events like what happened at the universal ostrich farm

01:57:25.760 like it's a a tv show like it it's it's something that isn't real you know and

01:57:33.600 And if we keep going down that road as a society shadow, we're going to become numb to things that should never be numb to.

01:57:46.580 Jeff, this has been a great conversation, man.

01:57:48.840 And it's been pretty emotional, I think, for both of us and maybe for some of the people watching.

01:57:53.980 I want to thank you for coming on and being completely honest.

01:57:58.460 I mean, you know, we've had conversations before, right?

01:58:02.620 they've been private conversations some of them have been on here um but i find this one tonight

01:58:09.900 the most raw and honest especially in the last hour since we got past all the julie stuff

01:58:16.140 uh and i thank you for for being so open about all of this i want to thank you too shadow because

01:58:23.660 you know what i haven't done yet do exactly what i just did here with you tonight you know this is

01:58:30.460 the first time i've done that so you know what uh it was a good thing and i hope um that uh you

01:58:38.320 know this is my perspective my view i don't expect anyone out there to to take anything i say into

01:58:44.860 consideration i am one man one man with one voice but i hope um seeing and hearing what i have to

01:58:53.040 say some people out there that have concerns could maybe put them to bed feel a little more at peace

01:58:58.700 um with how they feel and i hope those who were once united that um are slightly divided

01:59:08.800 um you know and and get to work and and make this country uh a better place in every way we

01:59:18.120 we can man it's the only way it's ever going to happen that's the truth of the matter man we got

01:59:24.660 to put all these petty differences and grudges aside and and start working together jeff thank

01:59:30.980 you so much man i'll talk to you again soon okay thank you brother much love yeah jeff godry

01:59:35.940 universal ostrich farm uh man i can't even imagine what it would have been like in those last few

01:59:45.860 days that's all i have for you guys tonight um i did prepare more stuff i guess i should

01:59:55.100 throw this up on the screen uh to let you know today was the deadline for the liberal party

02:00:04.420 the federal government to issue an appeal request to the supreme court of canada in the rulings two

02:00:12.860 rulings now by the federal court of canada and the appeals court of canada that their invocation of

02:00:18.120 the emergencies act was illegal they waited all this time since that ruling back in january

02:00:26.560 and now today with 10 minutes before the deadline at five o'clock eastern they did file their appeal

02:00:34.820 federal government from cbc federal government appealing emergencies act use to supreme court

02:00:43.300 and if the supreme court decides to take this case and that's a big if we don't know if they

02:00:50.200 will or not probably uh we'll hear about that i suppose in the next month month and a half and

02:00:55.400 then eventually this will wend its way to to the supreme court and we might have some kind of a

02:01:02.700 decision on this final decision by the end of the year that's just my assessment of the situation

02:01:10.660 but having gone through all of those court appeals and appeals and appeals as we followed the

02:01:17.040 universal ostrich farm case that's the opinion that i've uh decided on you guys have a great

02:01:26.340 night it's been a very emotional evening for me i i can uh i can tell you that right now

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The Shadoe Davis Show - March 18, 2026

March 17th⧸2026- Answering Allegations Made About Universal Ostrich Farm w⧸Jeff Gaudry

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