The Shadoe Davis Show - May 27th⧸2026- Guest： Tamara Lich Discusses Her Stand Against Malicious Prosecution!

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00:02:00.000 welcome to the shadow davis show folks you guys it's uh what is it thursday may the 27th 2027

00:02:10.940 and uh there's tamara there's our girl hi how you doing i'm doing great shadow it's so good

00:02:17.140 to see you again it's nice to see you too it's been a long time since the last time we saw each

00:02:21.920 other was at the ostrich farm last year yes you guys played a set or two i think and then before

00:02:29.260 that you were here on your way to ottawa driving from alberta to ottawa for the court dates and

00:02:35.300 yes then you got your then you got your sentence and people were upset and frustrated but you know

00:02:42.440 what i want to go back and i want to ask you i mean we got all kinds of things we can talk about

00:02:46.800 tonight you and i but i i want to ask you in that moment because this is something i've never asked

00:02:53.340 you before and all the time in the moment and i'm going to play the moment right here before i put

00:02:58.040 well, I'll put your give, send, go up right now. There it is. This is the give, send, go created

00:03:04.480 by Tamera, you guys to fight, to sue. And you've got a long list here. I guess it would be easier

00:03:11.640 to mention the people you're not suing, but we'll get to the, my stand against malicious prosecution

00:03:18.620 in a second, because people, you know, those who haven't seen this yet, they're going to need to

00:03:23.040 know what this is all about and you're already at 75 154 dollars of 100 000 and i believe that's

00:03:30.740 only just to start with right because if this is a successful lawsuit you're going to need more

00:03:37.500 and it's going to stretch over a period of time these two photos that are up here on your give

00:03:43.040 send go this one here was with you incarcerated the one wearing the mask am i right yeah that's

00:03:48.700 a court sketch actually uh that's a court sketch from uh no that's not even a real one the one

00:03:54.520 where i'm sitting there with the mask on that was a court sketch for one of my actually my hearings

00:03:58.920 for the bail or for the breach the alleged breach that i was in there for oh right when they came

00:04:05.320 all the way from ottawa the ottawa police came all the way from ottawa to medicine hat to get you

00:04:10.900 or yeah and then drag you back on the plane right yeah but this other you know i gotta say just i

00:04:18.380 I just I've got to say that I'm so I'm so thrilled that that I love Canadian oil and gas hoodie is going to be in court sketchbooks for all time.

00:04:30.080 This other picture, this one of you being arrested.

00:04:33.460 I've got the video for this.

00:04:34.740 I just just pulled it down like 15 minutes ago.

00:04:37.220 I thought we've got to be able to put this up because this was a heart wrenching moment for so many Canadians.

00:04:44.560 Here it is.

00:04:45.140 I'm not here to rest you, Sean.

00:04:48.140 No, you will be.

00:04:48.860 It's me.

00:04:49.420 What's that?

00:04:52.100 If you're not going to take her, you've got to take me.

00:04:54.140 You have to.

00:04:55.200 This is Danny Goldberg.

00:04:56.600 And I'm Sean.

00:04:57.820 We are just as much as we can.

00:05:00.500 We're going on here.

00:05:02.700 You guys know you're going on here.

00:05:05.160 Yeah, I got you.

00:05:07.460 Have a good night.

00:05:08.900 Enjoy yourself.

00:05:09.880 We'll see you soon, Tamar.

00:05:10.920 Hold the line.

00:05:11.940 Hold the line.

00:05:15.140 i i have to compliment you on your calmness in that situation you were being cut had you ever

00:05:22.640 had an interaction like that with police before no i've never been arrested before never so they

00:05:30.300 walk up to you in the street and you're walking with danny bulford and and was it barber uh no

00:05:36.040 tom already in jail he had already been arrested so i was with um danny bulford uh one of the road

00:05:44.020 captain sean tyson and johnny the fuel guy johnny scooby scooby and so they didn't go for any of

00:05:51.440 the others in that moment they just came for you and i remember watching that live i was watching

00:05:56.740 that live i think there was i'm not exactly sure whose feed that is that we just watched because

00:06:01.940 there were so many people with so many devices down there but that was johnny that was johnny

00:06:08.360 yeah it was Joni's footage yep and I'm yeah I'm watching that tomorrow and I'm like whoa

00:06:13.880 and there's like the comments were going crazy you were calm it was such a surreal moment and

00:06:20.260 that was the beginning for you was it not well the beginning of the next chapter for sure the

00:06:27.600 beginning of a chapter of lawfare that I never could have foreseen now we were we were anticipating

00:06:33.980 that we could be arrested and of course Chris Barber had already been arrested um but we'd

00:06:39.700 been we'd had meetings about this with with everyone too and are the law enforcement former

00:06:44.000 law enforcement people that were with us there in Ottawa you know explain the process um you know

00:06:49.420 you're gonna you'll be arrested don't resist you know give them your name and um you know you'll

00:06:54.540 sign a recog and be out you know in a few hours you know that's actually how it works you saw you

00:07:01.880 just go in and you sign a promise to appear or a recognizance and um and off you go because it

00:07:07.160 was mischief it was as a recog i like what you're using the terminology now because you've been

00:07:12.220 immersed in it for so long i'm going recog what the hell is a recog a recognizance yes um uh where

00:07:20.120 was i with that anyways uh you were talking about signing something and they let you go but in this

00:07:25.320 case that wasn't yes that's right and then in my case obviously that didn't happen i ended up

00:07:30.620 spending 18 days in jail that time yeah so so this is the beginnings of the malicious

00:07:36.060 you can't really say prosecution at that point because you weren't being prosecuted yet but

00:07:42.920 to me like that moment was the beginning for you yes and probably for for many others as well

00:07:49.620 because there were a lot of people arrested i'm not as high profile as you mentioned chris was

00:07:54.160 already arrested and you've been fighting it ever since now you're paying this ridiculous price

00:08:00.060 you're under house arrest this has been going on how long has this been now because i my timeline

00:08:05.540 is all screwed up of course so how could it not be because it's been forever um this is going on

00:08:11.060 four and a half years since the freedom convoy and since my arrest in ottawa so four and a half

00:08:17.460 years later we're stealing still dealing with mischief which is actually unheard of anywhere

00:08:22.900 a mischief is a is a summary offense a misdemeanor they would call it in the united states

00:08:28.300 it's not a it's not a crime of moral turpitude so that means even with a even with this on my

00:08:34.860 criminal record I'll still be able to cross the border because it's really it's not a big deal

00:08:38.720 it's like spray painting your neighbor's fence basically or a public fence so I never could

00:08:45.220 have anticipated in that moment that you know they were going to put me in solitary confinement

00:08:51.840 that i was going to be repeatedly strip searched that i was going to um well when i when they did

00:08:58.100 my intake that night i actually had one moment where i i felt afraid and that was when the nurses

00:09:03.840 came during the intake and asked if i was vaccinated and of course i said no and i thought

00:09:11.260 they were going to force vaccinate me because here i am in a government-run facility um you know all

00:09:16.300 of that and i and i actually had a moment where i thought they're gonna they're gonna make me get

00:09:19.760 vaccinated and then the nurse said do you want to be and I said no and then they asked if I wanted

00:09:26.880 to take a test and I said no thank you I'm not sick and the girl beside me said I thought you

00:09:30.940 might say that and she had kind of a little smile on her face it's unbelievable to me that

00:09:37.860 could they have done that would that have been something legal have you looked into that at all

00:09:42.760 I haven't I don't know if they could do that but I mean they did a lot of things in my opinion

00:09:47.680 during those those times uh and the previous two years that should be considered illegal for sure

00:09:53.200 yeah well that's what i'm saying right like so i mean they didn't care whether anything was legal

00:09:57.600 or not back and they just did it and thought well we'll just pay the piper later and of course they

00:10:02.160 never have to pay any pipers right exactly yeah and that's the whole thing the onus is always on

00:10:08.080 us to go back on them which leads me to uh i guess i could call it your current project

00:10:14.160 you know what before we get to that because i want to get to that later on and by the way you

00:10:21.680 guys give send go.com and then it's my stand against malicious prosecution we'll put that

00:10:26.580 up in all the comment sections of all the platforms that we're on tonight so you guys can go ahead and

00:10:30.660 make a contribution to help tamara get this thing going but uh going back you know i said to you 0.99

00:10:38.200 last week tamara aren't you sick of all the court stuff i mean you've been involved in the courts

00:10:43.400 in one way or another off and on for the last four and a half years and when you weren't in

00:10:48.660 court you were at some hearing you know you went to ottawa specific specifically to go to the uh

00:10:55.400 the the commission on the emergencies act i mean haven't you had enough of this stuff don't you

00:11:01.920 want to go back to a semi-charmed kind of life at some point well i mean ideally obviously that

00:11:09.780 would be great but uh the reality of my situation is that with all the lawsuits um and right

00:11:17.080 everything you know i'm really looking at spending the majority of the rest of my life

00:11:21.860 in in a courtroom in some fashion when you think about i'm 53 years old i'll be 54 this this fall

00:11:28.540 and um you know these things take a lot of time a lot a lot of time and so you know chris and i

00:11:34.800 have both kind of resigned ourselves to the fact that that we will be in courtrooms for years and

00:11:39.020 years to come at least for the next decade at a bare minimum this whole uh zexy lee thing this

00:11:45.720 whole lawsuit i thought that was going to be thrown out because paul champ made a mistake

00:11:49.560 i think it probably will be at some point i mean obviously they're going to fight it and and i

00:11:55.340 guess the thing the troubling thing about this shadow is that we're not dealing with a we're

00:12:01.940 dealing with a justice system that is not um unbiased uh we know that there's a lot of judges

00:12:09.120 in the east specifically in ottawa and toronto that really despise anything to do with the freedom

00:12:15.140 convoy um but because of the way that that broke down it was a secret agreement uh that was signed

00:12:20.800 between paul champs uh his plaintiffs and one of the defendants um in order to have him removed

00:12:26.960 from the lawsuit now typically speaking the precedent for this is that you know as soon as

00:12:31.720 you sign a settlement agreement like that you would have to disclose it immediately to all

00:12:36.280 parties because if we didn't know this person could have been sitting in on our meetings and

00:12:40.720 taking intel back to the other team and all of that sort of stuff so I think there's a really

00:12:46.460 good chance that it's going to get knocked out and honestly that that lawsuit has never caused

00:12:51.260 me a minute of stress I just thought from the day that we found out about it on the streets of

00:12:56.580 ottawa that it was just a bunch of nonsense and i'll tell you why because it was the we had 10

00:13:02.500 million dollars in donations in the bank all of a sudden we're getting faced with a 10 million

00:13:06.860 dollar lawsuit okay well now it's 290 million and like in there's no realm of possibility like come

00:13:15.140 at me for 290 million like i don't i have nothing i have nothing that these people can take from me

00:13:20.820 So, you know, I think it's all nonsense. And I think $290 million for nuisance is a bit over the top. So I think he got a bit too greedy. Yeah. And don't forget, he still has a whole donor class that he's trying to have certified.

00:13:35.920 So in this particular case, Paul Champ is trying to have a donor class added to the

00:13:41.700 bank account or to the lawsuit so that he can go after the donors too.

00:13:45.940 So regardless of what you think about the Freedom Convoy, imagine the precedent that

00:13:51.000 that's going to set going forward for anything, any type of crowdfunding, anything that you

00:13:55.340 donate to, basically saying that if you donated $50 to the convoy, then you contributed to

00:14:01.740 the nuisance and therefore you're liable.

00:14:03.360 so that sets a very dangerous precedent for people going forward that want to donate their

00:14:08.680 own money to causes that they wish to support freedom convoy was never found to be illegal

00:14:13.700 though i mean this is the whole thing that people seem to forget i want to look at your

00:14:19.180 the give send go here and you use give send go and you give the reason why at the bottom of this

00:14:25.000 which i thought was absolutely beautiful oh and by the way i haven't said yet happy anniversary

00:14:29.740 oh thank you thank you and happy birthday to your uh is it your grandson or your granddaughter

00:14:35.820 today for sierra yeah my middle daughter's seat today and yesterday was my oldest daughter so

00:14:41.740 yeah it's birthday season here all right here it is my stand against malicious prosecutions by

00:14:47.440 tamara leach over four years have passed since my participation in the most peaceful and polite

00:14:52.360 protest of all time the canadian freedom convoy it's been over four years since chris barber and

00:14:58.320 i were arrested on the streets of ottawa mere days following the unconstitutional yep and

00:15:03.840 unlawful invocation of the emergencies act by the liberal government the invocation saw bank

00:15:08.360 accounts frozen insurance policies suspended the forceful violent removal of peaceful canadians

00:15:13.760 and truckers and supporters arrested for our part chris and i endured the longest mischief trial in

00:15:20.400 the history of the commonwealth the crown prosecutor and i love one of the people you're

00:15:25.880 suing here, by the way. We're going to get to that. I think it's hilarious. The Crown prosecutor

00:15:30.660 made repeated attempts to charge me with a breach of conditions violation and remanded to custody

00:15:36.400 until trial. And on one occasion, he was successful. Chris and I convicted in April of 2025 of mischief

00:15:44.300 and sentenced October 7th, 2025 to 18 months of house arrest. Granted some time served, my sentence

00:15:50.500 will conclude January 21st of next year.

00:15:53.800 I have secured the services

00:15:55.280 of a civil litigation lawyer

00:15:57.060 from Toronto based Loopstra Nixon.

00:16:00.920 Now, did you have to go,

00:16:02.680 I'm going to get back to this in a second.

00:16:04.200 Did you have to go searching hard

00:16:06.260 for a lawyer that you thought

00:16:07.680 was good enough to go through

00:16:09.560 with this case?

00:16:10.800 Are people still avoiding you

00:16:12.680 because of who you are?

00:16:14.180 Law firms and people alike?

00:16:16.080 Like, how is it for you in that regard?

00:16:18.500 uh it was difficult and it just so happens that i have a lot of lawyers in my life now that know

00:16:24.800 other lawyers otherwise i don't know um this gentleman was very highly recommended to me

00:16:30.600 and so we had a meeting of course and it went really well however even his firm it

00:16:36.420 oh no she's frozen up take my case oh no hang on hang on you froze up for a second like five

00:16:44.000 seconds ago so go back five seconds and start from there sorry sorry I was I was just saying

00:16:49.020 I met uh I met with the lawyer and the team and we we it was it was going to work out great but

00:16:55.160 it still took his firm three weeks to give an answer as to whether or not they would let him

00:16:59.720 take my case their concerns were what that they would get bad press uh the no the political nature

00:17:08.480 of this case which is really a terrible thing to even say but it's true I mean they were they were

00:17:13.240 I actually, in the retainer letter that I signed, had to agree that if they needed to hire a PR person to manage any backlash, that I would be responsible for those costs.

00:17:23.660 You're kidding me.

00:17:24.460 So, no, I'm not kidding you.

00:17:26.600 I'll do the PR.

00:17:27.540 I don't care.

00:17:28.080 It doesn't matter.

00:17:28.640 I'll charge you nothing.

00:17:30.080 Thank you.

00:17:31.780 Lubster Nixon launched this lawsuit against the Ottawa Police Service.

00:17:35.440 This is great.

00:17:36.640 The Ottawa Police Service is bored.

00:17:38.880 What's the differentiation there?

00:17:40.320 well there was a lot of things that were happening behind the scenes with the board

00:17:46.120 um that were going on there as you very well know former chief slowly um resigned or was forced out

00:17:55.540 um so they had they they definitely had their fingers involved in a lot of this stuff and how

00:18:01.600 the how the police dealt with us too so um i think you remember diane deans who i'm i hate

00:18:09.220 i'm sorry that she passed away from cancer um but i'm also sorry that i didn't get a chance to sue

00:18:14.380 her yet um before that happened and you're so nice even when you're not i know i don't i don't

00:18:22.860 wish her any ill will you know it's terror i feel terrible that she passed away but still

00:18:26.780 she was the lady that got on during the freedom convoy this is the chair of the police services

00:18:33.380 board and there's a funny clip out there of her talking about all these terrible things that we're

00:18:38.720 doing and you know we're hooligans and thugs and she's you know describing all these terrible

00:18:43.520 things that we're doing with a side clip that's showing bouncy castles and you know people playing

00:18:49.460 music in the streets and children playing you know it was just over the top absolutely over the top

00:18:55.360 uh they definitely have a part to play in this so i'm going after the board as well because they

00:19:00.280 make a lot of key decisions back there uh and behind the scenes too the attorney general of

00:19:05.720 Ontario, the original

00:19:07.760 Crown Prosecutor on the file, I forget

00:19:09.700 his name, Karimji or something?

00:19:11.740 Yeah, Moise Karimji.

00:19:13.560 We call him Moist Karimji.

00:19:17.440 You know, he seemed to have a particular

00:19:19.680 vendetta against you and

00:19:21.360 Chris and everybody involved,

00:19:23.700 I think. Did he not? You can tell.

00:19:25.960 I mean, you can't say for sure

00:19:27.400 because, you know, you can't. Oh, no, you can.

00:19:29.540 You can, because it was pretty obvious.

00:19:31.200 And as someone who had never been

00:19:33.260 introduced to the criminal

00:19:34.780 process like this as my first my first experience I was shocked at how this man was talking about me

00:19:43.860 the things that he was saying in court describing me as a danger to society and you know if they

00:19:50.340 let me out on the streets all hell would break loose I mean it was just completely over the top

00:19:55.780 and yeah and and shortly after my book came out he was yanked off of my case because if you've 0.99

00:20:02.680 read my book you can see that this guy is clearly a moron um you know just over the top emotional 0.95

00:20:11.400 and that's the thing if you're a crown prosecutor you don't get the luxury of emotions and having 0.99

00:20:16.380 an opinion right right and yet there he was uh so that's the crown prosecutor two ottawa police

00:20:23.520 services detectives these are the ones we discussed before the ones that flew all the way from ottawa

00:20:27.500 of medicine had to get you and then back those are the guys yes now from from what i read and

00:20:34.740 i'm not going to defend these guys but they were assigned to do that and they weren't very happy

00:20:39.080 about it well i can't imagine that they would be you're talking about two homicide detectives

00:20:44.880 assigned to a mischief case so my first question is who did they upset uh to to get put in that

00:20:51.780 or was it simply you know i i asked my my lawyer about that or actually she brought it up that

00:20:57.260 night that i was arrested because of course i had a phone call with her and i remember her telling me

00:21:01.060 that she sounded incredulous she's like they assigned a homicide detective to your case

00:21:06.240 and we were both sort of dumbfounded and i said well why do you think that they would do that

00:21:11.300 diane and she said well he's a great big guy very intimidating and he is detective benson is a very

00:21:18.000 big man um and it's for intimidation purposes and i just laughed like i literally just drove

00:21:23.400 across the country with all these big scary truckers you think some homicide detective in

00:21:28.640 a bad suit's gonna scare me right i mean and and still how tall are you you're five feet tall right

00:21:36.400 five feet zero yes yeah so you could somebody five six could probably do the intimidation job 0.81

00:21:44.680 if that's what they wanted on you but that's absolutely ridiculous to begin with i mean the 0.99

00:21:49.460 whole thing is stupid but the last one here tamara you're suing his majesty the king 0.96

00:21:55.060 in right of ontario for malicious prosecution and negligent investigation the king that's awesome 0.99

00:22:02.260 yeah well i mean he's part of the whole process and since he's sort of our monarch i guess i get

00:22:07.620 to include him in this too yeah my goal you say is to ensure transparency accountability and justice

00:22:15.280 have brought to those involved in decisions and actions leading to the unprecedented treatment

00:22:19.160 I was subjected to will never happen again to another Canadian. That is absolutely amazing

00:22:25.660 because, oh, hang on, background. I guess everybody knows the background, right?

00:22:29.980 Yeah, I'm sure they do.

00:22:31.800 The no contact order that was violated actually wasn't violated, but they say it was because 0.78

00:22:36.380 of Karimji, right? Didn't he see a picture of you standing without your lawyer and next to Tom 0.74

00:22:41.560 Marazzo and that's what compelled them to sick those Ottawa police on you I think right yeah

00:22:47.900 the the big the most important part of this piece here is where it's you know I I say in here you

00:22:53.220 know they came they arrested me they yanked me off the street they flew me to Ottawa over this photo

00:22:58.400 and nobody even called me nobody even called my lawyer nobody even contacted the Justice Center

00:23:05.200 to find out what actually took place.

00:23:07.280 John Carpe took the photo.

00:23:10.320 Beside Tom Marazzo, cut off from the photo,

00:23:13.180 was one of our lawyers, Hadam.

00:23:15.360 So, I mean, we were surrounded by lawyers,

00:23:17.640 but rather, you know, nobody even made a phone call

00:23:19.740 to find out what the circumstances were.

00:23:21.920 The Crown Prosecutor, for the first time ever,

00:23:24.380 issued a Canada-wide warrant for my arrest on a mischief.

00:23:28.160 That treatment is only reserved for the worst criminals in Canada,

00:23:32.560 murderers, rapists, you know.

00:23:35.200 Um, and that, that had never been done before for something like this.

00:23:38.800 Well, you know what? 0.65

00:23:39.400 I find it ridiculous. 0.99

00:23:40.860 As you say, it's a mischief and there's, as you say, murderers and rapists out there who 0.92

00:23:45.040 get released on recog, uh, and you get held in jail.

00:23:48.860 That's insane.

00:23:49.660 But you know what you say here?

00:23:51.200 I find funny because even after everything you'd been through, you assumed that it was

00:23:56.740 a random stop.

00:23:58.840 Yeah, I did.

00:23:59.820 Of course.

00:24:00.620 Right.

00:24:01.180 You're going to be stopped randomly.

00:24:03.360 You're Tabera Leach, man.

00:24:04.460 you're like public enemy number one they're going to stop you for anything she spit on the sidewalk

00:24:09.080 right they're going to look at you for every little have you felt that way have you felt

00:24:15.340 like you're under a microscope ever since that day or ever since the beginning of all of this

00:24:20.380 yes i mean sometimes i forget and sometimes i need to be reminded that i am under a microscope

00:24:26.680 and honestly shadow you know i started uh there's a couple that are making a movie about

00:24:32.320 all of this and so I've been obviously been working with a lady and talking it's just a lot

00:24:36.720 of talking right now talking about my my history my story the convoy and I didn't realize until

00:24:44.680 that conversation how bad that first year was because I was just getting through it but the

00:24:51.080 first year that after I was released um in in March of 2022 that whole year I mean that crown

00:24:58.380 prosecutor tried six ways from sunday to throw me back in jail he tried to throw me in jail over

00:25:03.720 this pendant you know i've talked about that before too that was a gift for me as a matter

00:25:08.300 i don't know that story what is that story that pendant well i'll give you the short story so

00:25:14.660 this after i got out of jail a lot of people sent me mail they set up a post office box for me and

00:25:19.720 a lot of people sent me mail and a lady from thailand sent me this piece of jewelry and a

00:25:24.460 beautiful letter saying she hadn't seen her kids in two years because she was stuck in Thailand

00:25:29.260 because of the pandemic and she she made this and she really believed in our cause and she sent me

00:25:35.180 a lovely email that said you know you're like my brand ambassador I want to donate proceeds of this

00:25:40.600 pendant all the sales to the truckers and she asked for a photo and so anyone that left me an

00:25:48.740 address or a phone number I would try to call or you know send a text or write back and say thank

00:25:53.840 you very much and so she said she left her number so I texted her or maybe it was her email address

00:26:00.300 I apologize it was her email address so I sent her an email and I said thank you so much I took

00:26:04.060 a picture I said I love it I will never take it off and then she replied and asked me if she could

00:26:08.720 put it on social media and remember I was banned from social media for two years my condition said

00:26:14.380 you are not to log in you're not to log in post or have others post on your behalf to any of your

00:26:20.820 social media accounts and i i told her that i said i cannot advise you one way or the other

00:26:26.320 to post it on social media because i'm on conditions i said i will tell you that lots

00:26:31.500 of people have taken pictures with me and posted on their social media but i said i can't advise

00:26:35.620 you either way for me so anyways uh she puts a picture out on facebook the crown prosecutor gets

00:26:44.480 of my picture of me doing this with a thing that says posted with permission. So this ties into the

00:26:52.820 breach, actually. So in the previous month, May of 2022, I also had a condition that I was banned

00:26:59.500 from the province of Ottawa. So in order for me to attend the award ceremony in Toronto, we had

00:27:06.520 to go before a judge and ask for that order to be changed so that I could get into Ottawa or Ontario

00:27:11.720 to go. So that hearing is when the prosecutor, Moise Karimji, brought this up and we had to do

00:27:18.720 a whole new bail hearing because he wanted me incarcerated over the posted with permission

00:27:22.980 brand ambassador. And it was a two day hearing. And I think you probably will remember that was

00:27:28.600 the hearing where he told the judge, the Superior Court judge, that he should recuse himself from

00:27:36.440 our bail hearing and then we came back and the judge told him to take a time out so it got a

00:27:41.900 little bit heated um anyways so i won obviously didn't go back to jail i was let back into

00:27:48.440 ontario just not the red zone in ottawa um so that's just another example of them trying to

00:27:54.220 throw me in jail so then a month later you know i go i go to toronto got permission from the judge

00:27:59.580 and then it all still happened anyways but it shows you how vehemently this this guy wanted

00:28:08.940 us in jail yeah like so you know my question is whenever anybody tries to prove intent and

00:28:15.480 you've already given you know two or three great examples so far in our conversation which has

00:28:19.800 only been 26 minutes of you know intent malicious intent these people wanted to see you personally

00:28:27.260 and probably Chris and maybe Pat King taken down to make an example of you.

00:28:32.980 But is there any, and I don't want you to give your entire defensive strategy

00:28:37.160 or offensive strategy away here, and I'm not sure if you've even been discussing it yet,

00:28:41.200 but how are you going to actually prove that?

00:28:45.860 Do you have documentation? Do you have emails?

00:28:48.360 Can you go ahead and make sure you get that kind of stuff from these people

00:28:52.700 because of this court case?

00:28:54.540 Well, part of part of the process will be disclosure. So we will be seeking disclosure to find out who made these decisions and the timeline that they were made in, obviously, and the conversations that were happening behind the scenes. Remember, a Canada wide arrest warrant was issued for my arrest over a potential breach of a mischief. There's more than one person that makes that decision.

00:29:18.960 so and and these are now when we talk about crown prosecutors a lot of people assume that it's

00:29:25.700 federal right that you guys were in federal court you were in ontario court which is different

00:29:29.860 it's not federal so um you know ontario court is there ever any chance that you could have gone to

00:29:42.060 the the supreme court of canada to continue fighting this before we talk about your lawsuit

00:29:46.360 here i mean this this particular sentence that you're serving right now did you feel like maybe

00:29:53.180 we can go and challenge this this ruling well we did i'm appealing my conviction uh chris is

00:29:59.460 appealing i believe his conviction also and the crown prosecutors are appealing both our

00:30:04.740 our acquittals because we were acquitted on the intimidation charges um and they're also

00:30:10.120 appealing our sentence because they want chris in jail for eight years and me in jail for seven

00:30:15.200 years and as a matter of fact i believe pat just had his hearing a couple weeks ago and they want

00:30:19.760 him in jail for five years so they still want this so that proves the malicious intent right there

00:30:27.360 obviously if it's the same people making these decisions too that's the other thing the chain

00:30:32.400 needs to be unbroken from then to now right so i i wonder i mean you've probably done some

00:30:38.180 investigation on this would it be uh cabinet ministers ontario cabinet ministers making

00:30:44.440 these decisions in consultation with federal cabinet ministers? Would it be just through the

00:30:51.220 Department of Justice? I mean, how do you even begin to search for who was making

00:30:56.480 the final call on all of these things? Well, that's what we're going to find out. And that's

00:31:01.660 what we're going to find out through disclosure. And that's also why the Attorney General of Ontario

00:31:06.160 is included in this case. And without a doubt, they were getting pressured from the Canadian

00:31:11.740 government whether that was um you know members of parliament or whether that was the department

00:31:17.480 of justice itself i would assume it had something to do with the attorney general of canada also

00:31:21.940 who was david labetti at that time don't forget right um so i would be surprised if there wasn't

00:31:28.780 some pressure coming down from the federal government on this um there was definitely

00:31:32.740 pressure coming from the attorney general's office of ontario don't forget they're the

00:31:36.840 ones that seized all the donations that are still sitting in an escrow account and they are going

00:31:41.660 to probably take that money so yeah yeah basically what we found out um is that the deal is if paul

00:31:55.060 champ wins his civil suit then he'll probably get that money but if he doesn't win that then it's

00:32:00.100 going to go to the attorney general of ontario basically all they needed to get their hands on

00:32:05.420 it the attorney general was one conviction which they got you know months before even christen 0.98

00:32:11.640 And I the first conviction was probably probably enough to like over a stupid over a stupid conviction like the one you got, like the mischief that makes absolutely zero sense to me that they could take 10 million dollars in donations. 0.95

00:32:26.080 But then again, I mean, what if it was returned, let's just say to the organizers, what could you possibly do with that money? 0.97

00:32:33.160 Would you return it to the people or would you charity or like what?

00:32:37.420 Pray to God that I never see it, honestly. I can't even imagine. Now, I have all the registration forms. I still have all the registration forms that we collected in Ottawa, just in case, because it was donated money for a specific purpose.

00:32:52.660 So you can't, you know, I would have to talk to Gibson Go if that ever happened to find out, you know, if we could just donate it to a veterans organization or something like that, because, I mean, it'll have been years and years.

00:33:05.800 So but I honestly don't think we'll ever see it.

00:33:08.500 And I hope I never have to touch it, honestly.

00:33:12.060 I can't even imagine because I know that people have been screaming about it for the last few years.

00:33:16.260 And there was allegations that you would somehow you you and Chris had somehow absconded with this money.

00:33:22.000 but no it's been in that escrow account ever since yeah yes yeah 3.4 million of the donations

00:33:28.380 for our campaign are in there um there's bitcoin in there i believe too they seized and then also

00:33:34.280 the adopt the trucker money i think that was four or five hundred thousand dollars so there was about

00:33:38.300 just over five million all told um that they seized as you remember gofundme ended up refunding all

00:33:45.060 of those donations the 10 million and then give send go refunded all of the donations except the

00:33:50.760 ones that were coming through the payment processor stripe right right so you know to me it's like

00:33:56.420 how is this not stealing like what the government it's completely stealing right i mean like they're

00:34:01.920 just taking people's money it's outrageous anyway let's continue on with your your give send go here

00:34:08.620 i was facing a non-violent mischief charge mischief is a summary offense in canada generally dealt

00:34:14.440 with through fines or probation, especially for a first time offender in a move reserved. I love

00:34:20.840 this line in a move reserved for violent murderers, sexual offenders and drug traffickers.

00:34:26.940 The Ottawa Crown prosecutor issued a Canada wide warrant for my arrest, the first of its kind for

00:34:32.500 allegations of breach of conditions for a mischief charge. I was taken into custody. Now, this is

00:34:38.700 where you spent it was it 48 days this time uh 30 days in jail yeah right yeah there was the

00:34:44.900 combined i'm combining them yeah no you were taken into custody flown back to ottawa in leg shackles

00:34:51.200 you were in leg shackles on the plane yes i was actually they wheeled me in the cop needed to do

00:34:59.020 that to you right five feet tall but the funniest part shadow is that they get me to the airport

00:35:05.440 and they bring a wheelchair out.

00:35:07.820 I'm like, what the hell's the wheelchair for?

00:35:09.480 So I get in the wheelchair,

00:35:10.460 they put leg shackles on me and handcuff me,

00:35:13.540 put me in this wheelchair,

00:35:15.340 wheel me into the cells in the airport.

00:35:19.060 And then when we went to leave,

00:35:21.100 of course they took everything off

00:35:22.680 when I was in the cell,

00:35:23.500 but when we went to go,

00:35:24.300 they put my leg shackles back on,

00:35:26.480 but they didn't put my handcuffs on

00:35:28.220 to preserve my dignity

00:35:29.980 while they wheeled me through the airport

00:35:31.980 in leg shackles, you see.

00:35:33.800 to preserve my dignity thank you for thinking about me sir preserve your dignity while wearing

00:35:41.520 leg shackles that's ridiculous i mean that's what's it a two and a half three hour flight

00:35:47.860 calgary to ottawa three hours yeah three three and a half hours yep in leg shackles were you

00:35:54.020 sitting next like did you have any interaction with these cops on the aircraft were they sitting

00:35:58.100 like were you in the middle of the three seats that one on either side did you talk sports like

00:36:03.040 what were you guys talking about well i mean it's the typical good cop bad cop scenario

00:36:08.800 detective benson's really big and burly and not very talkative and not very friendly which is

00:36:13.500 fine and i didn't really talk to him anyways because i don't really care much for that man

00:36:16.760 but sergeant hassan was actually a lovely lovely man um now i'm not stupid i used to work for a

00:36:22.160 police service remember so i mean i understand what's going on i know that you know what we

00:36:25.900 can and can't talk about or whatever and um but sergeant hassan you know was actually fairly

00:36:31.040 cheerful and he let me have coffee which i was so grateful for because i knew that i wasn't going to

00:36:35.680 have any real coffee for a very very long time um but yeah it was uh yeah they were sitting next to

00:36:42.160 me and they yeah had leg shackles on the entire time denied bail by a justice of the peace

00:36:51.260 piece held in remand for 30 days dark days pretty dark right unpleasant what's it like in there i've

00:37:04.540 i have never been in a remand scenario not that i'm bragging about that because it's quite possible

00:37:11.220 i may end up you know me i'm a there's lots of time there's lots of hope for you left

00:37:15.120 just one i just want to measure up finally um 30 days in in a place like this combined with 18

00:37:26.500 before like what is your day-to-day routine like like do they wake you up in the morning do you

00:37:31.800 have to be up at a certain time is there a dress code is like behavioral things that you don't

00:37:36.900 know about like do they give you a list of rules that you have to follow before your incarceration

00:37:42.800 begins what's it like well the second time that i was in jail i still can't believe i have to say

00:37:48.440 that actually but the second time i went i was very grateful for the first time that i went because i

00:37:53.340 had a bit of an idea of how this this stuff goes you don't get a handbook when you go to jail

00:37:58.920 and so you know i i had to sort of learn a lot of things as i went it is deeply unpleasant

00:38:05.820 place to be that particular remand center is known throughout canada for having some pretty

00:38:12.820 wild human rights violations which i can certainly attest to as i saw um i saw some things in there

00:38:19.640 that were unpleasant and say what they are or no i uh well there's a methadone program there's a 0.99

00:38:27.440 methadone program so every day the girls would light up to go down and get their drugs from the

00:38:32.200 government and there was occasions where it was late or i watched one girl out that didn't get

00:38:40.060 hers one day and you know i give this girl credit because i mean i've never done meth i don't know

00:38:45.380 but i i hear it's really terrible and the withdrawals are awful and she sat on the top

00:38:49.840 of her bed and just did it took everything in her to not lose her mind because she didn't get her

00:38:54.200 methadone um um you know there's just the searches they'll come into your dorm i mean i kept the

00:39:01.380 diary the second time I was in jail, but I was very careful about what I wrote because they'll

00:39:05.160 come into the dorms at any time, search all of your things under your mattresses, all of your

00:39:09.780 belongings. And not only that, but the girls could do that too. So, and I tried the second time to

00:39:15.800 not go to dorms. So the first time I was arrested, I was put in solitary confinement, went to cell

00:39:21.680 block, then went to dorms. Then I went home. This time there was no solitary confinement. I went

00:39:26.920 went straight to cell block um and i was in cells and then i moved to dorms so you got to remember 1.00

00:39:32.060 dorms is like being in a great big room with 12 to 14 women um but these women are like some of

00:39:39.780 them violent offenders or some of the men for pretty hard stuff right yes i was put in cell 1.00

00:39:45.400 block with a haitian uh quebecer a french lady sorry she's from ottawa but she'd moved from 0.53

00:39:53.260 haiti to quebec and then to ottawa she was six months pregnant she was a drug addict she was a 1.00

00:39:58.320 schizophrenic um she made advances at me one day when we got back from court and the other girl

00:40:06.240 that was in our cell hadn't come back yet into the into our cell let me explain this to you better

00:40:11.940 yes um so i'm put in cells i get there i'm put in cells i think it was canada day i'm put in cells

00:40:19.380 with this girl the next day they throw another girl into our cell because this this place is

00:40:24.120 overcrowded so this third girl comes in and has a little mat on the floor with a blanket in a tiny

00:40:30.420 little cell and so and she was also a schizophrenic and had some serious problems and one example i'll

00:40:38.240 give you is that after you eat every meal 20 minutes later the guards come and you put your

00:40:42.260 garbage out the door out the little window because if you keep it in there obviously you're going to 0.97

00:40:46.380 get bugs well she would never throw her garbage out because she thought she was getting energy 0.94

00:40:50.920 and messages from her garbage from her food garbage um so that got a little bit dicey because 0.92

00:40:57.240 we had to get it out of there but you know they would have epic meltdowns they would be screaming

00:41:02.320 um and in this particular instance uh we had a court date so christy and i went to court

00:41:09.280 and it's not a pleasant day when you go to court you go up you go early with everyone and you can

00:41:13.720 sit there all day if your appearance is at three o'clock in the afternoon you're there at 7 30 in

00:41:17.940 the morning and you sit in a bullpen or a cell all day no books nothing what's the bullpen like

00:41:25.040 it's just a yeah it's just a great it's just a great big cell for like a lot of people

00:41:30.560 um it's called the bullpen i don't know yeah look at all the terminology i'm picking up i mean if i

00:41:36.660 go back a third time i've got this licked like for me a bullpen is like baseball right so yeah

00:41:42.140 right of course you get jail bullpen anyway please so anyways we had court that day um i got i walked

00:41:48.540 back into the cell they kept christy back for whatever reason and and every time we come back

00:41:52.640 in i have to be strip searched i got to go through an x-ray machine they have to strip search me um

00:41:57.960 like lift up your hair stick your tongue out lift up your breasts bend down and squat um with a mask

00:42:03.940 on of course because uh you know that's how that goes that was the first time anyhow and then i 1.00

00:42:09.020 walk back into my cell and then she just started saying things to me like you know she was pregnant 1.00

00:42:13.600 and if the other cellmate doesn't come back she started alluding to things that she was going to

00:42:19.160 do and it was just it was awful so thankfully to go to sleep at night well sometimes it was a bit

00:42:29.560 dicey they were um very mentally unstable ladies um for sure and yeah it was it was dicey

00:42:38.820 sometimes were you recognized in there i mean you weren't in isolation all the time as you pointed 0.58

00:42:44.540 out so you were in i guess a general population scenario um were you recognized or the freedom

00:42:53.160 convoy did people know who you were or were you able to keep a lower profile well when i was in

00:42:59.180 there the first time uh when i finally got into dorms it was funny because i was sitting on top

00:43:04.360 of my bunk and i heard these girls talking about it and actually what they said what they were

00:43:08.200 talking about the freedom convoy and i heard them say something about oh yeah and i heard her

00:43:12.760 boyfriend flew out on a private jet and i started laughing because then i knew that they were

00:43:16.720 talking about me um anyways they they did shortly figure out who i was and they were extremely

00:43:22.900 supportive two of the girls that were in there were actually at the freedom convoy one of them

00:43:27.500 was picked up on a warrant outside of a canadian tire because she'd stopped there to go buy jerry

00:43:32.080 cans and supplies to take down to the to the truckers yeah right wow but i did have a lot

00:43:37.780 of support from that from a lot of the staff there too which um which was pretty good you see i find

00:43:43.600 that surprising because generally speaking there's a group think amongst whatever population of

00:43:50.100 people are working in the same place right and if one person speaks out freedom convoy is just

00:43:55.020 nothing but a bunch of hooligans and thugs from all across the country then you know and if that

00:43:59.580 person happens to be recognized as a leadership symbol then they're all going to have to fall

00:44:04.320 into line because they all want to be you know included in the in the group right so i'm happy

00:44:10.780 to hear that you got support in there what about the second time though was it was it the same or

00:44:16.200 different it was longer uh there was no solitary confinement that time which i was actually begging

00:44:23.160 for like i was saying earlier when it was time for me to move to dorms i actually asked how i could

00:44:28.060 to stay in my cell because i didn't want to go in there and be with you know it's not that i just 0.61

00:44:31.960 just 14 women in one room uh drug addicts prostitutes uh violent criminals repeat offenders

00:44:41.120 um you know so were you ever faced in a situation where one of them threatened you over like even if 0.74

00:44:49.040 it was the smallest kind of a threat no nothing like that no if they never tried to take your

00:44:55.880 I was pretty lucky that way. No, but I mean, the first time I was like literally bunking beside a lady that had stabbed her boyfriend to death. I mean, I'm like, what am I doing here? You know, so, you know, but you know, they have a lot of sad stories and they're just people. And there was, you know, there was times where it was really, you know, something to behold, but you know, they're just human beings and they're, they're not getting the resources and the help that they need.

00:45:22.840 And some of the things, like I said, that really were the worst was when, in particular, one case, and this happened more than once, but there was a lady that comes in frequently and she's got mental health problems, lots of drug problems.

00:45:36.320 She's homeless. 0.83

00:45:38.200 And so they put her in the padded room next to our cell and she was yelling and screaming and kicking at the walls.

00:45:48.280 And I just about started crying because the guards were taunting her.

00:45:52.840 saying things like well you know we'll get you some if you stop this or you know you want to

00:45:58.460 hit this you just have to stop yelling and i was just thinking like that is torture they were

00:46:03.460 torturing this person um in my opinion that's mental torture you know um when you have someone

00:46:09.200 that's that addicted to drugs and you are you know using something like that as a negotiating

00:46:14.100 mechanism or they were yelling back at her through the door and making fun of her you know it was uh

00:46:20.660 there's good people in there and there's bad people in there and I will tell you

00:46:24.520 one thing that I learned about corrections is that two types of people get into it the ones

00:46:30.580 that think that they're going to really make a difference to society and help people and ones

00:46:34.540 that were picked on in high school right revenge of the nerds on steroids yes yeah I had Wycliffe

00:46:43.320 on a couple of months ago and we were talking about the woke movement you know and yes that's

00:46:48.660 what i said i said that this is just revenge of the nerds on steroids i want to go back to your

00:46:54.000 well i mean it is right i mean that's what these people are all about you know they're not getting

00:46:58.660 their way they're the victim class and and now they've finally got some power and they're going

00:47:02.740 to use it they're going to put people like you and i uh on house arrest this lawsuit has my name on

00:47:10.160 it you say here on the give send go but it's about so much more than me this is one thing i admire

00:47:15.800 about you Tamara among the other you know everything is the fact that you've always

00:47:21.120 maintained always maintained that it's not just about you you are defending Canadians like where

00:47:31.180 does that come from inside of you and have you ever thought okay you know what I've done my bit

00:47:36.620 somebody else can step up now well I'm in it now shadow oh I know you are and we're gonna keep

00:47:44.020 But I mean, I just like to have those thoughts and I'll tell you why I ask, because, you know, you know, I'm not nowhere near as as well known as you are.

00:47:54.280 Let's just say I've been doing this for a long time and some people know me and there's a lot of pressure.

00:47:58.540 There is a lot of pressure to keep going all the time, you know, to find out what's going on and then to be able to relate it.

00:48:06.360 You've lived this. I mean, this has been since 2022, four and a half years now.

00:48:11.820 and you've given so much, I mean, and not just for you, like, like I've been saying, you know,

00:48:16.660 you helped, uh, the ostrich farm last year, for example, we talked about earlier and you also

00:48:22.120 helped, uh, Dan Hartman, you know, and you've helped so many people in so many parts of the

00:48:27.660 country because of that heart of yours. And you must have times where you're just sitting there

00:48:34.360 going, okay, you know what? I've, I've done everything I can do here aside from what you're

00:48:39.800 doing now and that's why i was so surprised when i saw this um like do you hope and pray that more

00:48:47.240 and more people start to realize and and start standing up and speaking up because i'll tell you

00:48:51.800 it elates me when i see that oh definitely um and i think there's a lot of people that do want to

00:48:59.420 shadow i don't think it's a fact that people aren't standing up it's that they don't know how

00:49:04.340 they don't know what they can do anymore and that was really i was just in ottawa a couple weeks ago

00:49:08.800 at a conservative networking convention and like the the air in my opinion has really come out of

00:49:14.520 the conservative balloon it was not a great atmosphere i didn't feel whatsoever and even

00:49:19.540 in talking to people on the plane or in the airport or at the convention itself you know

00:49:24.620 we have a government that has a stolen majority and okay let me put it to you this way chris and

00:49:31.920 i had a talk about this lawsuit and i said like it's really it's really surreal that i have to

00:49:39.160 seek justice through the very institution that's perverting it is which is the justice system so i

00:49:46.500 have to go into their system to try and fight for justice right and make sure that this doesn't ever

00:49:51.480 happen to another canadian again and it's exactly the same thing i said to chris like what else am

00:49:56.440 i going to do like am i going to organize a protest or am i going to call my mp or send him

00:50:01.220 a letter like people are feeling once again that they um don't have any recourse to try and hold

00:50:08.680 these politicians to account you know like Pierre Polyev's speech was was really uninspiring we know

00:50:15.220 that Trudeau is bad we know that Carney's bad we know the liberals are bad and we know that the

00:50:19.220 conservatives are going to fight fight fight but number one how are you going to fight what are

00:50:24.500 you going to do they have a stolen majority so you can have all the committees and all the meetings

00:50:28.640 and all the votes in the whole entire world that you want but what's your option um and what was

00:50:34.520 my second point my second point is maybe people are just tired of fighting maybe we just want to

00:50:41.060 live our lives and wish that stuff would stop and be rectified so that we didn't have to fight

00:50:46.520 it takes a lot of energy to fight yeah you know so i mean i it's just there's people want

00:50:54.780 accountability and i think that's one reason why people have supported this campaign so much because

00:50:59.380 people are still feeling hopeless we have the emergencies act still being under uh appealed

00:51:05.200 right so that's got kicked down the road again um and people were anxious they just want some

00:51:10.040 justice they just want some accountability whether it's for the invocation of the emergencies act

00:51:15.120 whether it's for a liberal government that's cozying up to communist china you know whether

00:51:20.560 it's for what happened during the pandemic now any any sort of situation like the pandemic

00:51:26.720 especially a global one following that there would normally be inquiries and you know um

00:51:34.260 investigations because you would think they would really want to know hey guys like what did we do

00:51:39.040 right what did we do wrong and what are we going to do better next time and they haven't even gotten

00:51:43.360 that yet i they're not ever going to i mean there's there's no way because if there was an

00:51:49.240 actual inquiry or investigation these people would all be found to be complicit i mean they're trying

00:51:56.180 to get closer in the united states which i find amazing right like you know they found out now

00:52:02.500 that well actually it was made in a lab and they did arrest one of fauci's associates or advisors

00:52:07.440 somewhere down there down the line and they had a cia whistleblower in a senate committee a couple

00:52:13.900 of weeks ago and you know so they're inching closer to maybe some half truths in the united

00:52:19.120 states but here in canada somehow people are still in the dark you know i was talking about

00:52:24.360 this on the show last night to mary you know there's there's people who still are going for

00:52:29.100 their their booster shots who believe that mark carney came from the bank of england or the united

00:52:36.680 nations or brookfield or wherever he was working uh the last job he was i think it was brookfield

00:52:41.860 and the un as a matter of fact is their special climate envoy he came back to canada because he

00:52:48.560 need he felt like he wanted to fix it so he gives up millions and millions of dollars leaves that

00:52:54.420 on the table to go be the prime minister of canada for four hundred thousand dollars a year

00:52:58.620 like right seriously yeah right exactly so getting back to this conservative convention

00:53:05.580 you said the air wasn't great were people like depressed did they feel like oh no you can't

00:53:11.860 they were really happy to be there um i didn't think that was my first time what other people

00:53:18.200 told me is the attendance was way down um there were mps that came out of course but they didn't

00:53:23.840 really stay that long like i just sort of thought you know there'd be quite a few more

00:53:27.620 members conservative members of parliament sort of hanging around there it's a networking

00:53:31.180 conference um there was you know very few vendors there um i mean the panels were great i i really

00:53:38.340 like the panels um this danielle smith's speech was for me the highlight of the entire thing

00:53:44.200 um you know pierre polyev came out and and he gave us just a typical a typical speech like fight

00:53:50.500 fight fight um but you know it was it was just really i just thought the atmosphere was felt a

00:53:56.500 little bit dejected now i guess last year's was pre-election because it's normally held in april

00:54:02.700 so you know they said that's probably part of the reason why last year's was so successful too

00:54:07.300 because they were getting ready for an election and there was lots of excitement but um all in

00:54:12.640 all it was just a really uh it was quite it was a different atmosphere had they already had the

00:54:18.340 floor crosses the liberals yes yeah yeah well you know that that's too i mean like when we see that

00:54:24.080 happen you know it's it's such a kick in the gut right like you go wow man like five of our people

00:54:28.540 left us is it because of poly ever what were they enticed with to go over to the liberals like

00:54:33.460 people like maryland gladu you never would have thought that somebody like that would ever cross

00:54:38.480 the floor how can they even look in the mirror right like can you imagine tomorrow morning

00:54:42.360 waking up and going you want to know what i think that the freedom convoy was a complete scam and

00:54:49.160 everybody there was a criminal like all of a sudden you've completely changed your world view

00:54:53.900 from one night to the next morning i don't think so right so so how does that happen yet it did and

00:55:00.800 I can totally understand the mood of every conservative-minded person in the country

00:55:05.320 would have been in the toilet after something like that.

00:55:09.140 So when you say people don't know how to fight,

00:55:11.920 is it like they don't know what to do next?

00:55:16.500 Right.

00:55:16.920 Well, every institution that they have been taught is there to protect them

00:55:21.400 and protect their rights and protect their families is failing them.

00:55:24.720 So in my case, it's the justice system.

00:55:26.780 you know you should be able to get a hold of your MP and and you know or talk to them but I mean

00:55:31.680 what does that do I mean I don't sign petitions anymore you know people are always circulating

00:55:36.180 petitions and unless it's a super super important one but I mean what what is a petition ever done

00:55:40.840 like very rarely do they ever do anything and I get get you know putting your support behind

00:55:46.520 something but you know people want to see concrete action they want to see some type of

00:55:51.800 investigation happening into something they want to be able to see well probably like me you know

00:55:57.720 i'd like to turn on the tv for question period and perhaps see two sides of the house sitting

00:56:03.560 at a table solving problems instead of putting on the nonsense theatrics that taxpayers are paying

00:56:10.560 for you know i don't need to watch these guys stand in there every day and just try to out

00:56:15.440 insult each other i want to see you fix our homeless problem i want to see you fix the

00:56:20.540 immigration problem i want to see you fix the drug problem i want to see you fix our military 0.74

00:56:24.980 you know i want to see you fix the justice system but they got to be in there talking and waving

00:56:30.820 their hands around and just you know trying to see who can come up with the with the funniest

00:56:34.700 insult that's insulting to canadians it's insulting to all of us how deep down the rabbit

00:56:40.200 hole have you gone tamara i know you've had a lot of time on your hands maybe not recently but you 0.78

00:56:44.160 have had in the past few months and there there are some there are some things that i talk about

00:56:49.740 on my show when i go behind the uh the paywall that are pretty deep we talk about the agenda

00:56:55.360 obviously the un and and now like i mean the americans are talking about disclosure of the

00:57:00.760 alien files and and uh human alien hybrids and and all of this stuff and it's this is on the on

00:57:06.740 the left-wing corporate media i never say mainstream left-wing corporate media like they're

00:57:11.280 actually out there talking about this stuff we've got new players in the game promethean action who

00:57:17.100 We're trying to illustrate the geopolitical strategies that are being played right now.

00:57:22.720 The AI data centers are a problem.

00:57:25.780 Like, how deep down the rabbit hole do you go?

00:57:29.880 I go pretty deep.

00:57:32.160 I go pretty deep.

00:57:37.780 We're just going to leave it at that.

00:57:39.440 That's all we need.

00:57:40.260 We can talk about it later if you want to.

00:57:42.560 That's right.

00:57:43.500 Unless, of course, you have to.

00:57:44.460 I wasn't, I wasn't really, you know, when people used to talk about the lizard people,

00:57:48.420 my eyes sort of would glaze over, but you know, now that the disclosure is coming out,

00:57:51.940 I'm like, well, you know, maybe there is lizard people.

00:57:54.020 I don't know.

00:57:55.040 What's your life like at Rebel News?

00:57:56.600 I mean, are all those people really cool?

00:57:58.840 Oh, they're amazing.

00:58:00.080 Absolutely.

00:58:00.660 It's a great team that Ezra's got put together and it's just been an absolute joy.

00:58:05.520 And, you know, one of the things I really love is, you know, cause I was such a super

00:58:08.620 fan for so long, um, it's just watching how, you know, things break down behind the scenes

00:58:14.020 and it's just like a really well oiled machine and you know these guys are really great um you

00:58:19.880 know helping me obviously i don't know what the heck i'm doing i'm not a journalist but

00:58:23.880 you know they've been very patient they've been very helpful um there's always something going on

00:58:28.920 and um as i mentioned to you before the show one of the things that we're working on right now is

00:58:33.680 a variation order to permit me to leave canada for work and it sounds like that's going to go

00:58:37.640 through so that's we'll know that in a couple days but um so there's some things down in the

00:58:42.380 united states that we uh want to go and do of course there's the rebel news cruise that'll be

00:58:47.380 coming up um so hopefully i'll be able to go on that too it's it is a working cruise obviously so

00:58:53.020 um it's been a really great experience i'm i'm just so grateful that you know ezra gave me this

00:59:00.280 opportunity and you know he texted me shadow um from the courthouse to the we weren't even back

00:59:07.240 to the hotel yet after we were sentenced and Ezra Levent texted myself and my lawyer and he said

00:59:13.540 don't worry we will find something for Tamara so that she's not locked up in her house for the next

00:59:18.360 18 months wow yeah that's pretty cool yeah how often are you working like are you working on

00:59:24.320 single stories once every week or a couple of weeks um well I'm just sort of getting into

00:59:29.700 doing like some more reporting like at my desk I have to do a lot of stuff at my desk and so

00:59:34.620 it's just a it's a process like i give journalists a lot of credit you know you just don't turn your

00:59:39.700 camera on and start talking about stuff and then shut it off like there's a lot of work that has

00:59:43.660 to go into every report and so i've got to definitely have a lot to learn i just had a

00:59:48.280 food bank report sort of dropped today it dropped today um that i've been working on i've got the

00:59:53.800 debate coming up um the debate footage should be coming out soon i covered the jason kenny and

00:59:58.940 keith wilson debate i wanted to ask you about that don't let me forget don't let me forget i won't

01:00:03.500 um and then i was just in saskatchewan covering the saskatchewan prosperity project event there

01:00:08.980 in saskatoon on saturday so i'll have a bunch of those reports all dropping soon so um and then of

01:00:14.480 course the independents uh here in alberta those events and the ones in saskatchewan they're easy

01:00:20.320 for me to go cover because they're all scheduled so i i'm on house arrest so if i need an exemption

01:00:25.100 i have to always ask um and make sure that i have um what time we're leaving the house where we're

01:00:31.060 stopping to use the bathroom where we're going to stop and get gas where we're going to get lunch

01:00:35.000 when i got to be at the venue uh i got to email her and let her know what room number i'm in once

01:00:40.960 we check into the hotel um so there's a lot that goes into me just being able to go you know off

01:00:48.400 of my property do they monitor tamara do they monitor your communications oh for sure i'm

01:00:55.440 monitored and now not they is in medicine hat but an interesting piece of information I found out

01:01:01.260 shadow that I think your listeners will be interested in is if you recall during the

01:01:05.200 freedom convoy there was a king air plane that was flying over the protest spying on Canadians

01:01:13.420 it was scraping all the data off of their phones pictures emails phone call phone numbers text

01:01:18.780 messages uh instagram face messages anything that was on your phone they have they could also tell

01:01:26.220 who is you know within 10 feet of you on the ground uh where's that data who has that data

01:01:34.180 um and are they still using that data and we understand uh i understand through some

01:01:42.620 veteran friends of mine that that is the case they still have that data and they're still

01:01:47.760 surveilling us and so this is was all done through the military was it ceases or a combination

01:01:53.440 well the military here's the thing about that particular case um as you know the canadian

01:02:00.900 government did go to the military and ask them to come and help break up the protest and they

01:02:04.880 were basically told to take a hike however somebody higher up um obviously initiated this this um

01:02:14.080 uh mission right so there's definitely people involved that initiated the spy mission to fly

01:02:20.580 over the protest and illegally scrape data off of canadians phones without a warrant

01:02:25.320 in canada you need a warrant to obtain that information well until they pass c-22 that is

01:02:32.120 c-22 that's right the liberals say they're amending it now we're going to get into that

01:02:35.880 later on in the show tonight but uh right so oh by the way in Saskatchewan I thought maybe you

01:02:45.080 would have had the opportunity to attend Mark Friesen's funeral but you didn't but you did

01:02:49.580 make a nice note on social media I thought that was really cool what a guy he was so sad you know

01:02:55.620 I've I've obviously followed Mark right from the very very beginning I was just actually going

01:03:02.640 through some of my signal chats and i saw my last message with him and he was so proud and for me

01:03:08.840 as somebody that always looked up to mark like you know i just held him in on such a in such high

01:03:15.000 esteem because i really you know here is a guy that he was passionate he had drive he wasn't

01:03:21.300 afraid to stand up and he put in the work like that man put in so much work for freedom and for

01:03:27.140 canadians um and for him to you know be so kind to me and you know tell me that he was proud of me

01:03:34.060 and couldn't wait to see me was just really it was really uh something for me and and this whole

01:03:40.700 journey for him is just it's been i mean i can't imagine how his wife and family are doing i mean

01:03:46.340 just as people that followed him on social media it's been absolutely gut-wrenching to watch to

01:03:52.380 watch what's happened to him and how this is how you know this illness affected him he was the

01:03:57.540 first one who introduced me to the agenda um because I knew you know like way before freedom

01:04:05.180 convoy even um I was talking about all of this craziness but I hadn't yet been able to piece it

01:04:12.340 together like you know you hear the prime minister of England or sorry the UK and Canada Australia

01:04:18.000 the president in the united states they're all saying the same thing build back better when's

01:04:23.860 the last time you ever saw anything like that in your life where all of these leaders in the free

01:04:29.580 world are all spouting the same nonsense pretty much and and so you knew there had to be something

01:04:35.220 but you didn't know what and then mark came on my show one night and he said well here it is and he

01:04:40.540 talked for half an hour and i just went oh my god it was one of those moments where you saw dr strange

01:04:47.600 right like the movie yes yeah where he she taps him in the head and his body goes shooting back

01:04:53.680 out of the it's like you're in this weird sort of crazy dimension and finally you eventually come

01:05:02.600 back in and go oh my god and it takes a couple of days to absorb that kind of information like

01:05:08.320 there is this worldwide agenda that we're trying to fight and they're going through each world

01:05:13.160 government and corporations to make it happen and mark was the guy who introduced me and all of the

01:05:19.480 audience you guys watching this right now wow to that and he you know he came on a few times too

01:05:24.920 right like over the course between the first time and the last time which was a couple of years ago

01:05:29.000 because he got sick i'm gonna say probably a dozen times we had some great conversations some great

01:05:35.800 debates um so sorry to see him go i had yannick on as well his wife a couple of months ago yes

01:05:43.960 she told the story because they were really you know having a rough time with money um yes

01:05:50.280 and uh so i i tried to get their give send go up and running and we managed to get some money for

01:05:56.200 them and then he died it was like wow but she's she's heartbroken obviously of course a warrior

01:06:03.640 so yeah so of course she is she was married to mark had to be how could you not be right yeah

01:06:10.560 um tell us about the debate there keith wilson and jason kenney how was that

01:06:15.380 it was very good obviously i am not i can't claim to be unbiased in any way shape or form i obviously

01:06:23.400 went in there as a huge fan of uh keith wilson casey i've seen his work i'm a huge fan of his

01:06:28.400 work and uh but it was really good it was packed sold out sold out crowd um it was it went very

01:06:36.140 much as i anticipated you know keith wilson is very level-headed he's very articulate

01:06:41.520 he's very knowledgeable he can lay everything out for you and tell you you know exactly uh what

01:06:47.640 the steps to get there not just how to do it but what the steps are to get there and also what

01:06:52.780 they're doing to put those steps in place with the alberta transition council that has just been

01:06:58.180 formed and uh whereas premier former premier kenny was very much fear-mongering it was all

01:07:05.980 about loyalty nostalgia love of country um the the the funny thing uh you know he said the fear

01:07:15.780 mongering he's like the day after the referendum your passports are going to be taken away and the

01:07:20.640 airports are going to close and everyone just started groaning like it's not like the world

01:07:25.500 isn't going to fall apart you know if albertans check a box on a referendum on october the 29th

01:07:33.260 and now we know that we're only checking a box on october the 29th or 19th sorry to

01:07:38.020 hopefully have another question sometime in 2027 yeah um so but the debate itself was good

01:07:44.660 was it was the crowd like was it fair even were they well behaved they were very

01:07:51.360 the majority were clearly there supporting keith wilson but there was a pocket of of um jason

01:07:57.780 kenny supporters and i think that's good you know i i ran into his brother there i know his brother

01:08:02.300 and i ran into his brother there and i was actually really happy to see him there to support

01:08:06.180 former premier kenny i'm not a huge fan of of premier former premier kenny by any means but

01:08:11.800 i mean i'm also not a monster um and i was really pleased with how um they were very respectful to

01:08:18.920 each other there was no um underhanded or snarky jabs you know they both laid out their cases

01:08:25.280 it just so happens that and even if I wasn't a Keith Wilson um fan slash client slash friend

01:08:32.360 slash slash slash um you know I still would have walked out of there um supporting independence

01:08:39.500 or I feel being more supportive for independence just because like he said to Jason Kenney you

01:08:45.360 have no plan like you've sat here and you've said you know all the terrible things that are going to

01:08:49.960 happen that you want us and there's another case where he said fight we've got to keep fighting we

01:08:53.940 got to fight for this we got to fight for that and i was literally just making a note um because i

01:08:59.260 wanted to talk to keith about that after like why do we always have to fight like i said earlier

01:09:03.140 we're tired of fighting you know why do we have to fight with with ottawa to get anything you know

01:09:08.600 anything uh and then of course he brought it up and he was absolutely right and at the end of the

01:09:13.240 debate you know he just laid it out he said miss like premier candy you have no plan there's no

01:09:19.740 plan i haven't heard not heard one single plan about how you're going to help albertans um

01:09:24.360 have better lives or how you are going to address the the concerns of albertans because it's not

01:09:29.780 just a pipeline um now the pipeline is just what they throw out every now and then to give the dog 0.75

01:09:34.740 a bone to shut us up oh those dirty separatists here give them a pipeline actually no give them 0.62

01:09:40.440 an agreement to sign an agreement to sign an agreement to have consultations at some time 0.98

01:09:45.360 to possibly have a meeting to have to get together to sign another agreement yeah like that's exactly

01:09:51.520 it what's the mood like and i mean what about danielle smith it seems like she's this is 0.70

01:09:57.340 something i've been saying for a few months now she's had to walk an incredibly narrow tight line

01:10:02.520 uh tightrope with the party membership of the ucp uh versus you know because the ucp as far as

01:10:09.480 Jeff Rath is concerned is 75% in favor of Alberta sovereignty. And she's the leader of the UCP. And

01:10:16.960 if she gets recalled or they go ahead and do the AGMs and decide they want to vote her out of that

01:10:21.900 position, they probably can't. Not right away, but they can do it going forward. So there's

01:10:29.460 rhetoric coming from everywhere, it seems like. And you're there. You have a feel for it. You've

01:10:35.700 been reporting on it what's your take on what's next well at this particular moment in time i'm

01:10:44.600 seeing a lot of parallels between what happened during the freedom convoy and what's happening

01:10:49.960 to the independence movement and it's it's actually alarming and it happens to a lot of

01:10:54.960 conservative movements and guys this is why we can't have nice things really it's true

01:11:01.060 fighting all the infighting that's right you know uh i think egos start to get involved people start

01:11:07.580 share stop sharing ideas and start start shouting ideas um it's concerning to to watch because i've

01:11:16.140 literally lived this you know you know the organization that i was a part of and how many

01:11:20.480 have fallen away and how that's all worked out which is really unfortunate people are stronger

01:11:25.680 when they work together and i mean i think that has to remain the focus people don't want to

01:11:31.040 see that stuff people are interested in what an alberta independent means for them and their

01:11:35.740 families or what staying in canada means for them and their families they want to know how to put 0.95

01:11:39.720 food on their table um they want to know how to pay their mortgage they don't give a crap um about 0.98

01:11:47.020 some of the things that these people are saying about each other and the backbiting is starting 0.88

01:11:51.200 it's really it's really disheartening to see um i'm just hopeful that you know these guys are all

01:11:56.560 adults um and i hope that you know they can just get past this because it's it's disheartening

01:12:02.520 when you see this sort of stuff happen especially when you can see how strong they could be if they

01:12:07.040 all work together yeah you know it seems to me i'm sorry to interrupt you it seems to me like

01:12:10.460 mitch sylvester is the guy who everybody has a ton of respect for in the leadership group

01:12:16.560 of stay free alberta and um is it possible or would it be and maybe i'm mistaken by saying

01:12:23.960 that i don't know but would he be the one to be able to stand up and say all right you guys sit

01:12:28.640 down shut up let's come up with a plan well shadow my personal opinion is that now is not the time to

01:12:37.200 talk about a leader uh now is the time to get out as a team and educate people that's going to come

01:12:44.600 and this is one of the problems with um movements like this it's like it's like a rate you know you

01:12:49.880 get started and you get some traction well who's going to lead it and what's going to you know all

01:12:53.880 of these things take time we're talking about achieving independence from the country of canada

01:13:01.000 this is a very consequential moment at a very consequential decision you know we don't need

01:13:07.260 to worry about who's going to lead it right now we need to worry about getting the message out

01:13:12.200 to albertans um i guess what i meant again i'm going to interrupt you sorry but like what i

01:13:17.460 meant was i mean as we say this movement is splintering from all the egos and whatnot right

01:13:22.460 We need somebody like in the in the moment to tell everybody to just calm down, shut up, sit down.

01:13:29.160 Let's just take a few breaths here and and move forward by educating people, as you say.

01:13:36.300 I do believe that's the next logical step. 1.00

01:13:38.400 But but we can't have one guy running off here, half cocked saying stupid stuff. 0.99

01:13:42.420 And then another guy going off in a completely different direction and then backbiting each other. 0.99

01:13:47.320 You know, as you pointed out, happened during the Freedom Convoy.

01:13:50.440 so is there a guy you know they've all worked so hard and and in saying that stuff i don't want to

01:13:56.020 disparage any because everyone has been out here mitch sylvester jeff rath chris scott uh and so

01:14:02.200 many more that you know kathy flett cory morgan um the list goes on and on these people have

01:14:08.560 basically given up their lives to go out and hold all these town halls and everything so

01:14:12.480 i mean if you're asking for somebody who i think would be like a good figurehead for now i guess

01:14:17.620 um i think mitch is is great he's been out there he's established a rapport with a lot of the

01:14:23.180 people um you know i i watch twitter obviously and he's i have never seen him put anything out

01:14:30.260 that is disparaging look my biggest lesson and my biggest message right from even the start of

01:14:36.340 organizing the convoy was or helping to organize the convoy pardon me was that we have to always

01:14:42.360 be respectful the minute you become disrespectful you lose people and you're going to lose your

01:14:46.600 message. And so I don't care what you think about anyone, you know, focus on the important things,

01:14:52.640 getting online and calling people a bunch of names is not helpful. Disparaging people is not

01:14:58.440 helpful. And it's got to stop. It's really got to stop. And, and, you know, I've never seen that

01:15:04.960 kind of behavior out of Mitch Sylvester. He always seems to have a lot of time and patience. He's

01:15:09.780 always there to answer questions at any of the events that I've been. He's very patient with

01:15:13.520 people um um that's what i don't really know him all that well personally but but yeah i guess in

01:15:19.580 that respect you're right i mean we do need to have somebody that can sort of herd the cat so

01:15:24.080 to speak but yeah but then again but then again it comes back to that and that's the great thing

01:15:28.880 about grassroots movements is that there is seldom you know just a single leader so i think it's both

01:15:35.940 a problem and and like a pro and a con as you as you're alluding to for sure yeah like you've got

01:15:41.380 to be able to make sure the team is all moving in the right direction it's a team right and you

01:15:46.900 know we talk about whatever kind of a team it is whether it's a hockey team or whatever there's

01:15:51.700 always a coach there's always a captain there's always a team message toe the line hold the line

01:15:57.060 and you know careful careful you're going to get yourself arrested let's get back here to your

01:16:04.420 give send go because uh i'm i'm get curious to get down to the end here rule of llamas be applied

01:16:10.160 to all equally, not doled out, persecution style to citizens that the government doesn't like.

01:16:15.420 This is daunting, but necessary, a necessary task. And that's why I'm launching this crowdfund.

01:16:22.000 Asking for those that want to help me see this through, to consider a contribution to the

01:16:27.240 incredible legal fees that this case will require. I noticed that you've got $100,000 as your

01:16:32.900 limit right now. You say here upwards of $100,000. I mean, maybe to start with.

01:16:41.220 Yes, exactly.

01:16:42.620 Just so you can get this thing going. Or more, as you say, if it's vigorously defended and goes

01:16:47.780 the whole way through trial. After an initial retainer deposit has been covered, the funds

01:16:52.360 will be withdrawn only as needed. Should extra funds remain, they will be returned to the donors

01:16:57.140 by give send go you will find the full statement of claim at uh official tamaraleach.com and i will

01:17:03.640 provide regular updates now interesting i don't want to read what you wrote here about why you

01:17:09.000 chose give send go but you know a lot of us after convoy switched from go fund me to give send go

01:17:15.040 for a reason yes and absolutely well go fund me everybody knows that story but i want to tell you

01:17:22.060 the thing about jacob wells when the government was trying to steal all of canadians donations

01:17:28.960 from give send go um they were having hearings court hearings and the lawyers in canada stood up

01:17:36.260 and said um how did this go now i just got to think for a minute it's been a long time

01:17:40.540 uh wanted all of that money released um or not refunded they would they they wanted the money

01:17:50.100 they were trying to get an injunction or whatever so that he could not return that money to the

01:17:56.020 donors and he stood up and said sirs by the time you have my first responsibility is to my donors

01:18:02.940 by the before you have your paperwork even done that money is going to be back in their accounts

01:18:07.580 he takes that very seriously and that is you know and i just thought that was one of the most ballsy

01:18:12.240 things i'd ever seen you know he's you know a room he wasn't obviously it was all over zoom but

01:18:16.940 you know you can imagine how many lawyers the attorney general of ontario had sitting in there

01:18:22.160 um you know just salivating over the chance to get their hands on you know 12 million dollars

01:18:28.120 is what was raised like through give send go following the 10 million at gofundme and he just

01:18:33.360 stood up to him and said you know hit me with your best shot like i'm gonna get this money back to

01:18:37.260 the people that it belongs to before you have a chance to steal it good christian man very good

01:18:43.220 christian man yeah and so i'm happy that you chose that so you want to know what i want to do here

01:18:47.860 well people have been because i did drop the link in in the uh social media platforms and i'll do it

01:18:53.880 again in just a second i want to do a refresh oh boy i want to see if we got anything more here

01:19:00.920 uh refresh people did that during the convoy too eh yeah it's like the old jerry lewis telethon

01:19:08.900 you know timpani every hour you'd go and check the number on the board 75 154 so guys i dropped

01:19:16.160 the link in the comments on uh on facebook and on x i'll do it again uh it's on my facebook page

01:19:23.120 it's on uh what's it official tamara leach dot com dot com dot ca was gone so yeah i guess so

01:19:30.980 you can go there give whatever you got five bucks ten bucks i mean this you know tamara said earlier

01:19:37.220 this is not just for her you made this decision so this never happens to any other canadians again

01:19:45.040 and you know people might say well how would this ever happen to other canadians i mean we're never

01:19:50.340 going to see the freedom convoy again i'll tell you what man there's all kinds of things look at

01:19:55.600 barry in i forget his name neufeld in dc you know like human human rights tribunal there's

01:20:02.580 $750,000 they fined him for saying that men can't be women and women can't be men. Maybe he was a

01:20:10.400 little more creative with the message. I don't know. And they said they found it disparaging.

01:20:13.980 But how did they come up with a number like $750,000? It's absolutely ridiculous. 0.93

01:20:19.000 It's bonkers. I mean, it's totally bonkers. Like we've just gotten out of the whole realm of 0.99

01:20:23.820 reality here. But one thing I want to note is that it is a civil suit. So I am seeking a cash

01:20:31.520 award our reward at the end of the day right so i think in the lawsuit the lawsuit the entire

01:20:36.200 my entire statement of claim is posted at my website you're more than welcome to go and have

01:20:40.180 a look at it it will explain everything and i think it works out to 1.7 or 1. yeah 1.75 million

01:20:47.040 is the total ask it will never in a million years even if i win will i get that um these are very

01:20:52.240 hard cases to win um so but anyways i made the decision because because this isn't about me you

01:20:59.960 know if there is a cash award of some kind some type of settlement i will calculate some of my

01:21:07.420 lost wages for losing my job but the bulk of that money i am going to split in half i'm going to

01:21:13.080 donate 50 of it to the justice center for constitutional freedoms and the other 50 of it

01:21:19.320 to the democracy fund um it's not for the money it's just not for the money you know and trust me

01:21:26.460 shadow i thought long and hard about this because it is huge i was sick to my stomach when you're

01:21:32.680 talking about paying a lawyer in a in a in an action like this that is very hard to win you

01:21:37.460 know you're right you know 100 150 000 could possibly just be scraping the surface my retainer

01:21:44.280 was 25 000 just because of of the polarizing nature of my case a retainer is usually 10

01:21:50.340 well um well take your case ms leach but you know that it's going to cost us some credibility within

01:21:58.180 the legal circles of toronto so we're going to need some more money it's always about money

01:22:02.960 i love how you put it like that well but again you know i i uh i just want to make sure that

01:22:10.060 the organizations that have done so much to help me and chris and so many other people um you know

01:22:16.040 I know that they take donations and they've covered it,

01:22:18.460 but they've helped so many people,

01:22:20.260 not just the convoy people,

01:22:21.880 but they've,

01:22:22.940 I really want to give something back to them.

01:22:25.720 And you know,

01:22:26.800 we'll see.

01:22:27.220 It's all hypothetical at this point. 1.00

01:22:28.680 I could end up having my ass handed to me. 1.00

01:22:31.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:22:31.920 I mean,

01:22:32.460 but it's scary.

01:22:33.400 It's scary.

01:22:34.080 And I had to make that choice.

01:22:35.200 Like,

01:22:35.420 is this something that I could really commit to?

01:22:36.980 Because you know that I had to sign that document before I launched a

01:22:40.520 crowd fund.

01:22:42.700 Right.

01:22:43.500 Like,

01:22:43.700 Where am I going to get $25,000 if I can't get a crowdfunding?

01:22:47.720 Or $100,000, or what happens if I lose and I have to pay costs?

01:22:53.080 I literally could be signing my life away for a lifetime of bankruptcy,

01:22:57.260 but it's that important to me that this never happens to another Canadian citizen.

01:23:03.080 Due process, due diligence, proper investigation has to be done.

01:23:08.680 You can't just rip someone off the street, haul them across the country in leg shackles

01:23:13.080 and leave him in a jail cell for a month with no investigation my sister did more investigation

01:23:19.020 into that photograph than the homicide detective than detective benson he stood he sat on the stand

01:23:25.380 at my hearing and they asked him you know who these people were and it was i don't know i don't

01:23:29.820 know i don't know my sister who was my surety could tell you their names she could tell you

01:23:34.460 where they work she could tell you their neighbor's names she could tell you their pet like i mean she

01:23:38.480 investigated and she's not a homicide detective and literally all they had to do was call me

01:23:44.320 did you talk to any like did you talk to chris about this did you say you want to come in on

01:23:48.980 this with me or maybe tom or any of the others and uh because i know you know it's daunting

01:23:54.660 tamara and i know you're courageous and everything but i mean to do this alone when you could have

01:24:00.420 some partners um well but none of them none of them were arrested it's it's the circumstances

01:24:06.220 of the breach i can't i couldn't i couldn't go after them for the conviction for my mischief

01:24:12.640 because i was convicted so you can't go after you know i've already been found guilty of committing

01:24:16.420 that crime so there was you know can't prove malicious prosecution if a judge i can't prove

01:24:21.700 malicious prosecution against a prosecutor if the judge has found me guilty basically what i'm trying

01:24:27.020 to say but in the case of my breach there is clearly negligent investigation there is clearly

01:24:32.440 malicious prosecution my legal team is very excited about the statement of claim that keith

01:24:37.540 wrote up for me it's brilliant and you know it on on its face i think i have a good chance of

01:24:43.760 winning and so do they i'm the one that kept telling my lawyer is like well i know you know

01:24:48.020 these are really hard and he's like no no don't sell yourself short this case is not like other

01:24:53.500 cases this case is unprecedented people are not normally treated this way you know that's the

01:25:00.760 thing we've seen grandmas we've seen so many unprecedented things happen these past five or

01:25:08.540 six years and whenever we get a ruling from a court it always seems to disappoint well maybe

01:25:13.320 not always but nine times out of ten right so as you say you're it must be terrifying for you to

01:25:18.820 be going through with this just raising the money lifetime of bankruptcy and whatever else but what

01:25:24.040 would be the process uh for this to i mean you've named all of these people here including the king

01:25:29.820 that you're suing i mean is it all going to be happening simultaneously as your lawyer walked

01:25:35.580 you through what would be the process no we haven't got to that point yet basically we were

01:25:42.220 on a very very tight timeline um i had this lawsuit filed for quite some time um but we had

01:25:49.120 to get it served before the deadline ran out so of course we weren't anticipating you know a three

01:25:54.280 week uh well a two-week search for a legal team and then a three-week wait for the firm to approve

01:25:58.860 it so we lost quite a bit of time there so we were really like days away from the cutoff the

01:26:04.820 deadline to have these served we did apply for an extension anyways because there's there's

01:26:10.060 different rules in Ontario so under the Ontario Prosecution and Liabilities Act I believe is what

01:26:17.320 it's called there is a clause that if you're going to take any action against a crown prosecutor you

01:26:22.560 have to give him a 60 day heads up only in ontario like okay anyways never mind that makes sense it's

01:26:31.020 in ontario um but we we weren't aware of that clause so because of that you know we're i'm still

01:26:37.140 not sure if we had to give moise karimji 60 days notice before we filed this action which was over

01:26:43.040 a year and a half ago or if um it if it was 60 days before he was served so and so and it was

01:26:51.800 filed a long time ago and the reason it was filed like keith did the statement of claim and we had

01:26:55.160 to get it in before that deadline ended just to hold this case in place right right um so what's

01:27:02.100 going to happen now uh we'll wait to hear about the extension deadline we did hear back from the

01:27:07.780 defendants and they are going to be filing a statement of defense that'll probably take and

01:27:12.200 they'll be also asking uh for more time to get those that documentation together um and then

01:27:18.920 yeah i'm i know my lawyer right now is really busy on a case in in british columbia so once

01:27:24.800 he gets back i'm sure we'll sit down and have a lengthy meeting to find out how this process

01:27:29.220 how this process works so if if this actually does make it a trial you're gonna have to go

01:27:34.960 back to ottawa or are you gonna do it in toronto this time or elsewhere like where will it actually

01:27:40.680 play out i would assume it'll play out in ottawa um because that's where everything's happened

01:27:46.920 um but that that that also remains to be seen i mean because it is such an open it's just so black

01:27:53.140 and white so you know they could they could put up a bit of a fight and then just and then just

01:27:57.680 want to settle um at some point too so it may not even ever even go to trial but you know

01:28:02.440 i've been on the hot seat enough i'd like to see some of them on the hot seat too and at the end

01:28:06.940 of the day um as terrifying as it is um you know monetarily to lose if i have to pay costs or

01:28:13.900 whatever um um i just want to give them at least a black eye you know like at least a black eye

01:28:20.140 and i think one of the reasons why canadians have supported this campaign like they have

01:28:24.920 which is absolutely overwhelming and so touching is that you know this is an avenue for them to

01:28:30.500 punch back a little bit too as we were talking about earlier there's really like what are they

01:28:34.160 gonna do call their mp like write a harshly worded letter to the prime minister of canada

01:28:39.080 you know they're not going to organize a protest you know so i feel like this gives them an avenue

01:28:44.020 to help me fight too um and they're fighting with me and that's what this that's what the

01:28:48.420 freedom convoy was about that's what everything has been about ever since then you know it's been

01:28:52.660 all of it's been all of us working together you know to try and stop the injustices that are

01:28:58.740 happening to canadians and then the injustices that have happened as a result of the freedom

01:29:02.900 convoy what needs to happen tamara i mean we've seen tommy robinson be very successful with his

01:29:08.140 rallies in the UK, like the Unite the Kingdom rally a couple of weekends ago, I think 60 or

01:29:12.560 70,000 people showed up for that at a bigger one, even a few months ago. And they've got a lot to be

01:29:18.940 angry about over there, just as we do over here. And, you know, I've always said to people, well,

01:29:25.900 our country is just so big. It's so difficult for people to, you know, make a day trip or even,

01:29:31.780 you know, a weekend trip to a place like Ottawa or Toronto or wherever it is. And so what we've

01:29:38.040 wound up with people are saying, well, we're going to do a slow roll in Regina and every capital city

01:29:42.240 across the country, we're going to make a point. And that's not enough. I mean, what you guys did

01:29:47.200 with the convoy, with the freedom convoy inspired the world. You know that. Can we manage to do

01:29:54.820 something again to let the government know that we're not going to stand up for this mass 0.98

01:30:01.760 immigration or the climate change nonsense and the high taxes that go with it or uh you know

01:30:08.920 whatever else like the transing of kids you know that billboard chris is so uh passionate about

01:30:14.220 but pierre paulie have said something very good about that just a couple of days ago in vancouver

01:30:18.720 but anyway that's a different story i mean we've got all of these different ideologies

01:30:23.160 flying in our face you know property rights in british columbia and all of these different land

01:30:27.960 claims all across the country people are finally you know at some point they're going to have to

01:30:32.300 stand up and say uh no more so what is it that we we need to do you know to get this to happen

01:30:41.000 again i guess first of all maybe people need to be angry enough to make it so right yeah or

01:30:46.180 desperate enough i mean i guess that's the other thing too and really that was you know the convoy

01:30:50.260 desperation and anger and um you know shadow i i don't know how to answer that you know i thought

01:30:58.520 something and by the way before you continue i'm going to say this to any federal agents who may

01:31:03.940 be listening to this i asked tamara a question and uh that's all it is having said that exactly

01:31:11.900 don't worry i regularly go just kidding ccist to my phone so i totally get that it's not even

01:31:18.880 being paranoid we should all do that i agree with you you know i canada is so huge you know my

01:31:26.700 daughter lives in rural manitoba shadow and she can't take her kids for a walk unless she has a

01:31:30.980 firearm with her in some areas because there's bears there's cougars there's you know fishers

01:31:35.740 there's wolverines there's wolves you know there's coyote there's you can't have the same gun

01:31:41.260 legislation in rural manitoba that you're going to have in downtown toronto two completely different

01:31:46.020 scenarios now that i've had you know so many opportunities to drive across this beautiful

01:31:51.160 country every province is different they have different livelihoods they have you know a

01:31:55.720 different a different way of life they have different needs and to try and govern that

01:32:01.420 them all under the same blanket is next to impossible in my opinion um does it make me

01:32:07.920 sad now i mean i went from full-on independence like to the point where we formed a western

01:32:12.220 independence political party um to you know the freedom convoy to now i don't i don't know i mean

01:32:19.900 i think we're just at a point where alberta's doing the right thing like at some point you

01:32:25.020 just have to say okay like we have tried and tried and tried and maybe we need to focus at

01:32:30.680 home maybe we need to take our resources our talent our people and you know become strong

01:32:37.840 nice and strong here first and stable and make sure we've got strong families and you know

01:32:42.900 then we can help others i don't think canadians i don't think albertans so much mind sending money

01:32:48.980 to quebec and the eastern provinces to help them but it would sure be nice to at least get a thank 0.71

01:32:53.500 you instead of why don't you shut your pie hole um we don't want your dirty oil but we sure want 0.96

01:32:59.520 the money that comes from it you know we're constantly called you know look at abby lewis 0.97

01:33:03.540 today just before i came on your show you know he's he abby lewis now i'm not only i'm only not

01:33:08.820 going to give him any credit but you know here's a guy saying well you can't treat quebec separatism

01:33:14.260 and alberta separatism the same because alberta quebecers have a culture and alberta's are just

01:33:19.360 mega style hillbillies basically like you know you wonder why that really yeah oh my god what

01:33:26.980 did he say yeah we're just mega style mega style hillbillies you see this is the problem

01:33:32.620 as you point out go ahead yeah i wanted to look it up to make to get the actual quote because i

01:33:38.560 didn't want to let me see uh yeah just like completely disrespectful so i guess my point

01:33:45.800 is is i don't know the answer you know i have a lot of people that that ask if i will go into

01:33:50.220 politics and and i don't want to do that because the system is broken the system is broken we just

01:33:56.340 watched a complete implosion um of you know pierre polyev had a super majority and he and

01:34:02.320 not he blew it i won't say he blew it but um but something happened and it didn't work now we have

01:34:08.060 a stolen majority if you think that you're gonna you know vote your way out of this it's not

01:34:12.460 happening and i would be shocked if we ever see a conservative government for sure a conservative

01:34:17.960 majority government um ever again or at least for quite some time um just did you find it sorry

01:34:25.140 no i didn't i thought you were gonna look for it right now because i'm talking too much here

01:34:30.240 here's a conspiracy theory for you while you're looking

01:34:35.340 yeah you bet and this may be not even really a conspiracy theory considering everything we've

01:34:40.860 seen the last few years but uh there's a young lady on substack who's got a substack called hard

01:34:49.260 pressed north have you seen it hard press north no i haven't yeah it's pretty new a couple of

01:34:54.520 months maybe i had her on last week her name is chrissy bremney and she's smart right like

01:35:00.360 when you watch the the two older ladies from promethean action and you hear them talking about 0.68

01:35:07.300 all of the different geopolitical moves that trump is making and how the you know clogging

01:35:12.740 up the strait of hormuz is a good thing to break the city of london's economic grip on the world

01:35:17.920 all of this stuff if you look at what trump has been doing if and if you were following that and

01:35:24.820 if you believe what they're saying you see that trump is is implementing this thing the donro

01:35:30.060 doctrine which is the his version of the monroe doctrine 200 years old where he basically got

01:35:36.580 control over the entire hemisphere so trump has taken venezuela right he's got the deal

01:35:47.740 he wanted with Greenland for rare earth minerals. He's going to take Cuba. It's only a matter of

01:35:54.240 time. He got the Panama Canal back from the Chinese. He got rid of all the Chinese influence 1.00

01:36:00.940 in Venezuela. And Chrissy also claims that it's China who are financing the city of London

01:36:10.080 so they can keep financing the war in Ukraine. I mean, it's all intertwined. It's very, very

01:36:15.540 interesting yeah so trump needs control over the western hemisphere he's got all the oil and gas

01:36:21.440 he needs he's got the rare earth minerals he doesn't have computer chips they come from taiwan

01:36:25.160 but he's amping up production of that in the united states the only thing he doesn't have

01:36:29.160 locked down in our hemisphere right now is canada right so when we talk about the 51st state that's

01:36:36.540 all bs i mean he could talk about that you read trump's book the art of the deal ask big you know

01:36:42.580 like completely off the wall nuts and you get what you really want at the end of that negotiation

01:36:50.340 trump doesn't want all of canada because that would be the biggest liberal state it would be

01:36:55.040 worse than california right like the republicans would never yeah the republicans would never win

01:37:00.360 the senate or the house ever again never mind the presidency so if you if you say okay i want

01:37:06.640 Canada to be the 51st state, knowing that's almost impossible. You go, no, I don't really

01:37:12.340 want all of Canada. I want Alberta. So Danielle Smith goes down to Mar-a-Lago. She meets with

01:37:18.900 Trump. She talks to him. Then she comes back. And a couple of days later, what happens?

01:37:23.020 She decides that she wants to create the conditions for the people to be able to have

01:37:27.980 a referendum on separation by lowering the standards. Do you think that maybe Trump got

01:37:34.540 in her ear a little bit and said you know i understand that maybe some people in alberta

01:37:39.540 want independence but could we make a deal so and it's not trump maybe some of the the alphabet

01:37:48.780 agency right yeah right like a destabilization plan something i i just feel like something big

01:37:55.900 is happening in the next 12 to 18 months and i think that that might be it well i you know i

01:38:02.500 don't think so but i i mean i don't know like you said so many things there's so many things that

01:38:07.520 are connected and honestly nothing would shock me anymore um i don't think trump wants uh to

01:38:14.480 take over alberta and you just nailed it like why would he want canada that would be like the biggest

01:38:19.160 headache of his entire you know his entire tenure but well ontario back anyway but you know alberta

01:38:27.640 saskatchewan come on i mean those people are his people and uh all that oil and gas too and his

01:38:34.440 best and and all of the uh potash and the rare earth and the mines i mean it's a goldmine it is

01:38:42.440 saskatchewan manitoba and alberta i mean well not the winnipeg part but not the winnipeg part

01:38:50.680 take the northern part of the western part but not the winnipeg part yeah even part of bc too

01:38:55.640 for that matter right i mean like it's a whole different mindset from the interior out to the uh

01:39:01.360 the coast so i just feel like something big is really happening and that i i think i think

01:39:08.420 americans want canada to succeed i really do i think they wish us the best i mean they've been

01:39:13.880 our longest neighbor they've been our longest trading partner and i think they want to see us

01:39:17.520 succeed i think they're very concerned for what's happening uh you know in our country right now

01:39:24.480 i think they're watching what's happening in alberta with great interest not to take over

01:39:29.260 alberta by any means but you know i know i i did i remember seeing you know tweets about you know

01:39:35.880 people that wanted to become the 51st state or you know they would put out there you know donald

01:39:40.420 trump come save us donald trump come save canada and i was like you know what donald trump despises

01:39:46.540 weakness donald trump will not help anyone unless they're willing to help themselves

01:39:51.920 you know what i'm saying so i i think he he wants the best for us if i was him i would be concerned

01:39:59.320 if i had china moving in um as comfortably next door to the longest land border in the world i

01:40:05.340 would be a little bit concerned um if i was you know popping over to qatar to sign some deals 0.83

01:40:12.060 i i would you know canadian i'd be a little bit concerned if my neighbor was doing stuff like that

01:40:17.000 so um i'm sure they're concerned i think they want what's best for us and i don't see that

01:40:23.820 they're you know i i guess that is my concern going forward i mean if things continue the way

01:40:29.240 they are here with the mass immigration and you know um the climate change ridiculousness right

01:40:34.880 like the carney still wants us going to net zero and they've done away with that in the states it's 0.57

01:40:39.440 history it's not happening shadow we literally just had the third interstellar object known to

01:40:46.940 man fly through our solar system uh i don't i can't remember what it was a ridiculous speed

01:40:54.260 um there's been comments i mean we watch the stuff there's space weather that's happening

01:40:59.520 we literally just had a coronal mass injection go off the other side of the sun that simultaneously

01:41:05.060 triggered an earthquake in chile two days ago it's documented so don't tell me that throwing 0.98

01:41:11.420 some money on a pile is going to save the climate don't tell me with your freaking made up nonsense 0.94

01:41:17.880 words that we're going to decarbonize oil uh hello you can't decarbonize well do you know 0.90

01:41:23.920 what would happen if you decarbonized yourself shadow you wouldn't be a person exactly a pile 0.99

01:41:31.280 of bones maybe and it's like the de-moisturizing water decarbonizing oil stupidest thing in the

01:41:38.500 world right but oh no we're gonna do this we're going through the pathways you see this is the

01:41:42.640 problem this is the problem right and and so we can't put up with that stuff anymore i i believe

01:41:49.200 that there's some you know this is something that if you look at the history of canada 1867 you know

01:41:54.700 when it first became a country and you see all of the border changes and all of the additions that

01:42:00.520 it's made over the past 150 years you go wow you know when manitoba was first admitted into

01:42:07.060 confederation or dragged into confederation it used to be called the postage stamp province

01:42:12.540 because it was winnipeg and then maybe 20 or 30 miles in each direction of the city it was this

01:42:18.080 little small square and the rest of it was still assiniboia buffalo whatever it was right and then

01:42:22.740 saskatchewan comes in and alberta in 1905 and they split up that those two uh provinces the

01:42:30.400 buffalo province because they thought it was going to be too powerful as a singular province that was

01:42:34.720 wilfrid laurier who did that so all of these changes that have happened to this country over

01:42:40.820 the years people think well it's static now it's never going to change i say are you kidding they

01:42:45.700 like the last time it changed newfoundland and labrador became part of canada noon of it the

01:42:50.260 border up north right the border separated from the northwest territories and became none of it

01:42:54.680 30 years ago so what's to stop the changes changing the borders of alberta or saskatchewan manitoba

01:43:02.240 or british columbia for that matter if the people who live in the interior of bc or the western

01:43:08.220 parts of manitoba want to become part of this new country or become part of the united states or

01:43:14.940 whatever then something has got to happen they've got to stand up and say we want this the question

01:43:21.620 is will the government listen to them or will they just keep doing what they're doing and if they do

01:43:27.640 i just don't see good things happening you know and that's sad because as you point out tamara

01:43:33.840 and this is so true people are tired of fighting they're tired of it i just want to go back to some

01:43:39.140 some kind of semblance of life yeah and being able to enjoy it like you with your kids and

01:43:45.100 grandkids and you know fifth anniversary exactly yeah all of that stuff it's more than five uh

01:43:53.700 and all of that stuff and you're still going back to court i find it amazing yeah yeah i gotta thank

01:43:58.400 you for coming on well thank you for having me i really you know i haven't seen you for so long

01:44:03.300 it's really great to catch up and i i hope you do come out for a visit it would be great to great

01:44:08.240 to have you i've been so thinking about it you know maggie hope braun too she's getting back in

01:44:13.920 gear i talked to her a couple of weeks ago she said uh jato i need some inspiration i said so 0.63

01:44:18.620 why are you calling me she said well i gotta get back into it her kickly thing um she knows so

01:44:27.100 much about the un uh ickly project and all of the municipalities and so yeah we absolutely need her

01:44:33.480 she's vital to this and i'm thinking maybe i'll go see her and then drag her out west and we can

01:44:38.780 go do a big sweep of alberta and saskatchewan and bc and have a couple of weeks in the summer for

01:44:45.900 just traveling and seeing some familiar faces it would be nice that would be wonderful yes keep me

01:44:52.940 posted on that for sure i absolutely will thank you tamara i'm going to put the give send go up

01:44:57.800 again in comments and uh we'll throw it up on the screen one more time before i'm done tonight i'm

01:45:01.900 not, I've still got some more things to do. Thank you. Okay. Thank you so much. You guys have a

01:45:06.420 great night. All right. We'll talk to you again soon. Take care. All right.

01:45:31.900 We'll be right back. 0.92

01:46:01.900 hey how you doing oh you know what tamera the sign says she's still there she's not

01:46:24.380 so let me just make this

01:46:26.220 yeah she just texted me goodnight 1.00

01:46:30.780 what a sweetheart 0.99

01:46:32.040 so nice to have her on the show 1.00

01:46:34.440 we've got some more guests lined up for the show 0.63

01:46:36.500 in the next couple of weeks as well

01:46:38.780 I think maybe even Tony Olenek is going to come on

01:46:40.840 in the next couple of weeks

01:46:42.620 we're going to stay in touch and I'll let you know

01:46:44.200 I do have some more stuff I want to cover tonight

01:46:46.780 normally what I would do is go to

01:46:48.880 the website and say

01:46:50.580 alright you all access Nighthawks

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01:47:28.480 And that costs you absolutely nothing. 0.87

01:47:30.860 Here is Tamara's Give, Send, Go again.

01:47:35.360 Give, Send, Go.com.

01:47:37.200 My stand against malicious prosecution.

01:47:41.100 One more time, if you guys could go ahead and share that in comments on whatever platform you're watching on right now, that would be absolutely awesome.

01:47:50.380 I have some more news for you.

01:47:52.860 Guess who's leaving, finally?

01:47:55.540 This guy.

01:47:56.400 You asked you to stay?

01:47:57.860 There were some conversations...

01:47:59.940 With the Prime Minister, I should be more specific.

01:48:02.400 There were some conversations with his office

01:48:05.580 where they, you know, they said

01:48:09.620 they were interested in keeping me on board,

01:48:16.920 but at the same time,

01:48:17.920 I don't think they were particularly pleased with the fact that I was being publicly vocal in my disagreement with the government on some of those issues.

01:48:28.360 So I think it's, I respect the Prime Minister, I respect the team and cabinet and my colleagues.

01:48:38.180 It's just time for me, I came into, and people come into politics for different reasons.

01:48:43.160 That's why I came into politics.

01:48:45.000 And if I can't work on that and help move those issues inside politics,

01:48:50.960 then I'm just going to go and do it somewhere else.

01:48:52.800 Do you think the possibility exists for others to follow suit?

01:48:56.120 What does your gut tell you?

01:48:57.260 I think it's a good question.

01:48:59.600 I mean, as you know, in our parliamentary system,

01:49:04.440 it's very rare to see a cabinet minister leave a cabinet of their own.

01:49:09.180 Usually you're asked to leave or there's an election, there's a cabinet shuffle.

01:49:12.100 um i i can tell you that i'm not the only one who's uncomfortable with what's happening

01:49:18.960 i other than that i'm not sure what people will do

01:49:23.040 what well we know that 14 liberal mp sent a letter to mark carney last week saying they're

01:49:34.380 not happy with his backslide uh on environmental issues because of the mou that he signed well i

01:49:41.360 mean, what does that even mean? Like Tamara was saying earlier, right? Like you signed an MOU

01:49:45.200 for an agreement, for a meeting, for a possibility of maybe a pipeline one day, but we've got to get

01:49:52.040 BC to approve. We got to get first nations to approve and we got to get investors. I say,

01:49:56.460 good luck with that. There is absolutely zero chance of any kind of pipeline leaving Alberta,

01:50:02.620 going to British Columbia in the next few years. I don't think it's going to happen. I'd love it

01:50:08.740 to happen you know in a perfect world you want your country to work but i just don't see it

01:50:15.060 happening so no it's just a scam and if you've read mark carney's book values he does not want

01:50:25.540 more oil and gas he wants less oil and gas he wants net zero he wants leaving oil and gas in the

01:50:31.440 ground there's a reason that he keeps talking talking talking talking talking but doing nothing

01:50:38.040 at all, because that's his plan. That's always been his plan the whole time. He'll tell you

01:50:44.860 what you want to hear. The gullible people out there will believe him, but ultimately he will

01:50:51.180 do nothing. So if he loses these MPs, let's just say he does, loses these MPs, they go sit as

01:50:58.120 independents, or maybe they form their own party, or they join the Greens, or whatever it is they do,

01:51:02.440 that will once again drop the Liberal Party into a minority position. Now, having said that,

01:51:08.460 with Gilbo quitting, not just leaving the Liberal caucus, but quitting outright as MP later on this

01:51:13.800 summer, Nate Erskine-Smith is also resigning his seat, and Jonathan Wilkinson from North Vancouver

01:51:20.260 will be leaving his seat to become Canadian High Commissioner of the European Union

01:51:24.600 later on this year. That's three more Liberals that are gone, dropping them to 171, which is

01:51:29.560 a minority. The problem is that the by-elections are in liberal strongholds. Don't know that the

01:51:35.980 conservatives could win. Maybe one seat could go to the block. Possibly the conservatives could

01:51:41.740 pull off the seat in BC, but the seat that Nate Erskine-Smith has, that's been a Toronto

01:51:48.000 liberal riding forever and ever in a day. So they would get one seat back at the very least,

01:51:54.740 But who knows what could happen, right?

01:51:57.500 I mean, 14 liberal MPs, not happy.

01:52:01.120 They didn't want their names out there.

01:52:02.800 So they told the CBC, anonymous, the CBC complied.

01:52:07.360 If these people had any backbone, had any spine whatsoever,

01:52:10.420 they would allow their names out there

01:52:12.480 because they do represent people in 14 different ridings across the country.

01:52:17.660 Okay, China.

01:52:19.940 How much influence does China have in Canada?

01:52:23.540 Plenty.

01:52:24.740 Here's a story from left-wing corporate global news today.

01:52:27.300 Canadian researchers are calling for a more coordinated response by G7 countries

01:52:31.920 to counter systemic Chinese foreign interference,

01:52:34.520 particularly as technology and tactics evolve

01:52:38.140 and Beijing's agents embed themselves further into societies.

01:52:42.380 So these researchers from here are saying,

01:52:44.860 well, we've got to work more closely with the UK and with the USA.

01:52:49.440 Here's the thing about the USA.

01:52:50.980 Right now, under their current administration, they don't share information with Canadian alphabet agencies, if you will, because they don't trust them, because they believe they're all infiltrated by, you guessed it, China.

01:53:07.880 wednesday's report by the montreal institute for global security comes a day before canada

01:53:16.080 is set to welcome china's foreign minister to ottawa for the first time in a decade

01:53:21.140 speaking alongside the report's authors on parliament hill former member of parliament

01:53:26.340 john mckay urged foreign affairs minister anita anon to raise the issue of foreign

01:53:31.020 interference with her counterpart wang yi during her visit and here he is saying it and i i want

01:53:37.520 to take this opportunity as well to note that the Minister of Foreign Affairs is apparently

01:53:43.660 for the first time in 10 years making a visit to Canada from China. As this is an opportunity

01:53:51.420 for a reset of our relationships between Canada and China, I hope that both ministers will

01:54:00.560 will take the opportunity to operationalize that reset so that this level of interference ceases.

01:54:13.560 That both countries have an expectation that the other country will not involve itself

01:54:21.560 in the items that have outlined very capably by Maria and Kyle in their report.

01:54:28.560 So I'm rather hoping that in the event that there is a press conference

01:54:34.080 that that question will be put to both ministers to A, see whether it's been discussed

01:54:41.220 and B, to see whether there's been any commitments made on the issue of foreign interference

01:54:46.860 by the Chinese government in the affairs of Canada.

01:54:52.120 Well, John, I think that's a little bit naive. 0.84

01:54:58.560 And comical as well. I was talking about this on last night's show.

01:55:04.160 We're going to ask you to not interfere in our society because it's not just elections.

01:55:11.380 It's not just the federal government. If you understand how deep the Chinese infiltration is in Canada,

01:55:18.920 you would understand that the justice system is compromised. Provincial governments are compromised.

01:55:23.540 municipal governments are compromised bureaucracies are compromised police forces 0.99

01:55:29.240 are compromised obviously the court system is compromised by china and mark carney just goes 0.99

01:55:37.200 along with it do you think that donald trump is going to put up with china north on his doorstep 0.90

01:55:44.160 of course not especially especially well he's got the don row doctrine just cruising along 0.72

01:55:51.300 we got Venezuela

01:55:52.940 we got Cuba

01:55:54.940 got that deal with Mexico

01:55:56.920 we got Greenland 0.97

01:55:57.660 we're going to get the rest of South America

01:56:00.260 eventually maybe Brazil

01:56:02.020 we'll see what happens with Brazil

01:56:03.440 we've definitely got Argentina

01:56:04.920 Canada

01:56:06.380 he's got to have a plan

01:56:09.880 because there's absolutely zero way

01:56:13.000 he's going to allow

01:56:14.300 Carney to snuggle up

01:56:17.080 even more to China

01:56:21.300 Canada is not Canada any longer, by the way. 0.76

01:56:26.780 It's China now.

01:56:28.480 Mark Carney was asked today,

01:56:29.700 hey, look, are you going to release the details of the MOU,

01:56:33.160 the policing agreement that you signed on behalf of the RCMP

01:56:37.240 and the Chinese police?

01:56:39.060 Here's what he said.

01:56:40.420 China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi later this week

01:56:42.880 paved the way for a visit by President Xi Jinping.

01:56:46.600 And you said previously that there are guardrails in place in Canada

01:56:50.900 against foreign interference, yet your government has not released publicly the RCMP MOU signed

01:56:58.340 with Chinese police.

01:56:59.340 Why is that?

01:57:00.340 Well, we don't make a habit, I'll answer the second part of the question first.

01:57:05.160 We don't make a habit of releasing security documents with other governments for reasons

01:57:10.820 of operational security.

01:57:12.360 That is standard practice for this government, previous governments as well, so I don't see

01:57:16.520 a reason to change that in this circumstance.

01:57:19.800 thank you for that question but that's that's our policy and that's what we that's what we stay to

01:57:24.520 uh i look forward to uh the visit of uh china's foreign minister tomorrow um i will have a chance

01:57:32.120 to to meet with him uh it'd be a valuable exchange of views and uh i i appreciate his arrival thank

01:57:38.680 you yeah he's not going to release the details of exactly what he committed us to policing wise with

01:57:48.840 with china china an authoritarian totalitarian communist dictatorship

01:57:55.800 and there was a recent poll i'm not exactly sure i forget when it was maybe a month and a half ago

01:58:03.220 or something and i forget which polling agency you guys can try and look this up if you're so

01:58:07.760 inclined when canadians were asked if they would rather you know get into bed with china or the

01:58:17.320 United States, the majority said China. This is mind-boggling to me. A communist, well, I just

01:58:31.480 said it, versus the country that we've relied upon, we're friends with, kind of like a little brother

01:58:38.040 for the last 150 years. And let's be completely honest here. Without the United States,

01:58:46.480 Canada is done.

01:58:51.880 So Trump, you know, Trump can talk all he wants, too, about tariffs and whatnot.

01:58:57.840 Ultimately, he needs to be able to control Canada.

01:59:02.720 And maybe that's what he's doing.

01:59:04.180 Maybe I don't see it.

01:59:05.120 Maybe you see it.

01:59:06.840 Maybe he's going to, he said economic pressure would be enough to drive a stake through Canada's heart.

01:59:14.420 Economic pressure.

01:59:15.240 now if you think about this the renegotiation of usmca or kuzma as it's known up here by the

01:59:22.740 left-wing corporate media that's coming up in weeks like the beginning of july they're going

01:59:27.200 to do that if trump says that you know what we don't need this like he's said it over and over

01:59:33.520 again if he's not serious about negotiations over that document free trade between canada and the

01:59:40.720 United States, over 80% of our goods and services that we send there completely tariff free.

01:59:47.640 If he doesn't want it and he lets that slide, he can give six months and the thing is gone. And then

01:59:54.440 he said he would pound us with 100% tariffs on everything. Might be a little hurt for some

02:00:02.180 companies in the United States, but ultimately Canada would have to capitulate. Canada would

02:00:07.460 have no choice but to capitulate. Like economists say a recession. No, it would not be a recession.

02:00:16.580 It would be a depression for Canada. And then what? China moves in? No, Trump's not going to

02:00:24.340 let that happen. So what would he do if China decided they were going to send in, uh, you know,

02:00:30.420 food and supplies so canada could feed itself and we can't even we can't even supply our own

02:00:39.020 country with energy because there's no way to do it there's no pipelines from east to west we can't

02:00:44.340 do it we're the fourth largest got the fourth largest stock of oil and gas in the world and

02:00:49.700 we cannot get it to our own people unless it's via train or truck and that takes far too long

02:00:57.000 and if you can't provide your people with energy then ultimately you can't feed them

02:01:03.860 canada's not a sovereign nation never has been we've relied upon the uk at the very beginning

02:01:11.280 and then it was the united states since world war ii maybe longer than that and now suddenly

02:01:18.520 we're going to make the move to china i really don't think so i really don't think so so yeah

02:01:25.580 Alberta is the battleground right now.

02:01:29.580 Tamara didn't think so.

02:01:31.120 I think that's what it's going to be.

02:01:32.620 That's the flashpoint.

02:01:33.860 So what's going on right now is it's a battle, right?

02:01:37.640 And every war has got a battle.

02:01:39.480 So right now the Kearney side has won the latest battle

02:01:42.320 where you can't have a vote on sovereignty and make it binding

02:01:45.820 because the judge says so.

02:01:47.280 Even though there are a whole bunch of people within State Free Alberta

02:01:50.880 that say, no, the judge got it wrong.

02:01:52.340 We're going to appeal it.

02:01:53.000 Problem is, they're not going to be able to get the appeal ruling soon enough before the October referendum.

02:02:00.480 I think that that's going to be overturned well before the referendum, and it'll go back to being binding.

02:02:08.860 And I believe there is American interference going on with this.

02:02:13.740 And if I'm right, you're going to see Alberta vote for independence in October.

02:02:20.200 That's what I think is going to happen.

02:02:23.000 It's not going to be organic, but that's what I think is going to happen. 1.00

02:02:30.420 So, Danielle Smith's in a bit of a pickle.

02:02:33.780 Mark Carney has been.

02:02:34.580 The relationship with Canada and Alberta, Canada and the federal government and the provinces.

02:02:40.100 And we practice cooperative federalism.

02:02:42.680 We work together.

02:02:43.700 What we're focused on is making the federation work.

02:02:46.820 We're doing that with Alberta with respect to a variety of aspects of energy.

02:02:52.080 It's much more than a pipeline. It's nuclear. It interconnects with British Columbia.

02:02:56.520 It's a new industry of carbon capture. It's restarting the renewable market.

02:03:00.420 It's getting a carbon market that actually works, that other provinces can be able to join

02:03:05.040 so we can broaden out a national carbon market. That's what we're doing there.

02:03:08.700 We're here talking about defense industrial strategy, the benefits of the announcement we just made

02:03:14.400 around the negotiations led by Secretary of State Fuhrer and President Guzman on the global eye

02:03:22.260 and the fact that that will bring a third of the production of those aircraft to Canada,

02:03:31.440 of the global production, a minimum of a third to Canada, benefits for supply chains in Quebec

02:03:38.380 and also across the country.

02:03:40.620 That's what we're focused on, and that's the thing.

02:03:42.660 That was not about the creation.

02:03:43.520 That's my answer is my answer. Thank you.

02:03:48.080 Did not answer the question. My answer is my answer.

02:03:53.400 It's a big game, man.

02:03:55.720 They're all actors, though.

02:03:57.960 All the world's a stage.

02:03:59.820 It's crazy.

02:04:03.100 Tim Hortons, by the way, you guys know Dunkin' Donuts is coming back to Canada.

02:04:07.400 I think it's already back in some areas.

02:04:09.980 I could have sworn I saw Mario for the North or from the North.

02:04:12.400 you know mario from instagram and and x he was holding the dunkin donuts today so i think that

02:04:19.300 dunkin donuts is all man that was fast already opened in some southern ontario locations that

02:04:24.660 fantastic and you know they say we're gonna be hiring canadian it's an american company where's

02:04:30.800 all the elbows up people where's all the i can't have american company here do they understand that

02:04:37.680 tim hortons is an american company was bought by american american company 12 or 13 years ago and

02:04:44.320 they hire temporary foreign workers well now tim hortons has said look at this from left-wing

02:04:51.400 corporate taxpayer funded cbc they've committed to hiring 10 000 local employees and scale back

02:04:58.440 on temporary foreign workers move move comes as company announces 80 news to tim hortons 80 new

02:05:04.600 stores nationwide ahead of American chain Dunkin returning to Canada. Isn't that fascinating?

02:05:11.620 They're trying to head it off at the pass. So let me ask you a question. Would you be willing to

02:05:17.980 forgive Tim Hortons for doing what they've done for the past few years and completely foregoing 1.00

02:05:23.020 Canadian teenagers and hiring temporary foreign workers who barely speak the language, who make 0.97

02:05:30.580 bad coffee, apparently, and bad pastries and give us bad service. Would you be willing to forgive 1.00

02:05:37.700 Tim Hortons for that? Because they say they're hiring 10,000 local employees. And by the way,

02:05:43.920 they say local employees. These temporary foreign workers could be local, I suppose,

02:05:49.540 for a while, temporarily. So why not hire them? They didn't say Canadians. They said local 1.00

02:05:59.440 employees, food for thought. If I ever do go out for coffee, it will be to Dunkin' Donuts,

02:06:07.540 provided they keep their word as well and hire Canadian and only Canadian. 1.00

02:06:15.060 You guys know about Bill C-22. This is a bill that will give lawful access to the police, 0.86

02:06:20.420 not just to possibly your home, your car, but all of your electronics, everything you do online.

02:06:29.440 Companies will be ordered to hold on to all metadata for 12 months and create back doors so the government can get in to look at your stuff if they suspect you of something.

02:06:42.620 Executives from Apple and Google have urged the federal government to tighten rules in its proposed lawful access legislation to avoid creating vulnerabilities in their products, arguing so-called back doors into encrypted data systems could be exploited by cyber criminals.

02:06:58.400 Oh, and by the way, this legislation also means that they can do all of this anonymously.

02:07:04.020 The government can.

02:07:04.840 If they suspect you of something, they can go to Google or they can go to Apple

02:07:10.140 or they can go to your internet service provider and say this person needs to be canceled.

02:07:14.800 And you'll never know why.

02:07:18.700 You'll never be notified of anything.

02:07:20.460 You just won't have service anymore.

02:07:22.060 Bill C-22 would lead to the creation of regulations requiring core telecommunications providers to create capabilities for law enforcement to access information and for the retention of user metadata for up to one year, like I just said.

02:07:37.000 Ministerial orders could then be given to other providers without judicial oversight.

02:07:44.620 And we had some Google and Apple executives in federal committees the last few days, and here's what they said.

02:07:50.820 You said that you consider Bill C-22 more intrusive than American laws. Am I correct?

02:08:03.420 Yes, ma'am. The unbounded, essentially, nature of the powers that are afforded to direct product changes by companies in secrecy and without judicial oversight in the case of the ministerial orders goes beyond any regime that I'm familiar with.

02:08:28.420 Were you consulted before the bill was drafted?

02:08:37.740 Have you already expressed your reservations to the government as part of the drafting

02:08:42.820 process?

02:08:43.820 We have provided a submission with some specific recommendations, but I will pass

02:08:50.360 this to my colleague Jeanette on your broader question.

02:08:53.660 So we have shared these concerns with the government. I don't believe we were in a consultation process prior to tabling, but we welcome the opportunity to engage with this committee to find workable solutions here that can support law enforcement in their legitimate need to conduct investigations, while also preserving user privacy and maintaining the security of our products and services.

02:09:22.060 So thank you for the constructive engagement.

02:09:24.780 Thank you.

02:09:25.500 Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Vice Chairs, and members of the committee.

02:09:29.020 My name is Eric Neunschvander, and I'm the Senior Director of User Privacy and Child Safety at Apple, where I've been a software engineer for 19 years.

02:09:35.700 I worked as the first data analysis engineer on the first iPhone and founded Apple's privacy engineering team.

02:09:42.380 Today, my job is to make sure that Apple's products and services keep our users' information safe.

02:09:47.600 Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today.

02:09:49.860 As you know, this may be one of the last times we're permitted to discuss the consequences of this legislation publicly.

02:09:56.860 That's because of the bill's secrecy provisions, which forbid companies like Apple from even discussing the orders we receive with our users or the public.

02:10:04.860 So today, I want to be clear about how we approach privacy at Apple.

02:10:08.860 And I want to be clear on why encryption is so important to defending the privacy and security of people in Canada and around the world.

02:10:19.860 so from what we understand just before we went live for the show tonight the government has said

02:10:27.440 okay uh there's a lot of pressure coming in so we're going to take this bill which is already

02:10:33.800 in senate by the way no wait a minute that's not that's c9 sorry about that c22 still being

02:10:39.860 bumped around in the house of commons we're going to take this bill and we're going to amend it

02:10:43.740 we'll make some changes to it to make it more palatable maybe more acceptable because there's

02:10:48.700 a lot of ambiguous language in there that the government is so famous for using. That doesn't

02:10:53.940 necessarily say that they want a backdoor into somebody's personal information, but they create

02:11:01.420 the conditions for the companies to make that door on their behalf. And if they suspect somebody of

02:11:08.620 something, they just go to Apple or Google or whichever your internet service provider is,

02:11:13.240 and they say, yeah, we want this guy's information, and they can go ahead and get it.

02:11:16.560 there's also a lot of vpn services that are threatening to pull out of canada signal

02:11:21.980 because their whole thing is about your personal security right that's how they've sold themselves

02:11:31.180 to the public for the past five to ten years hey man you've got us you've got personal security

02:11:36.660 so they're not really excited about creating government back doors into your personal

02:11:41.100 information that the government wants. And that could be another factor why the liberals are

02:11:46.520 saying, you know what, we got to pull back on this thing. We have got to pull back on this thing.

02:11:50.580 Today marks five years since it was announced that they found the bodies of 215 children at

02:11:57.520 a residential school in Kamloops. Of course, we know that's a lie. No bodies have ever been

02:12:02.780 discovered there. All they ever had was anomalies found through ground penetrating radar. From

02:12:08.180 Juno News, the Globe and Mail deletes post alleging Kamloops children's remains were found.

02:12:15.180 Five years ago, radar technology located the remains of 215 former residential school students,

02:12:22.520 reads the Globe and Mail LinkedIn post. There it is right there, but not there anymore. Despite

02:12:28.860 misleading claims widely spread by the media, the 215 graves of children were uncovered at the site

02:12:35.440 of the former Kamloops Residential School.

02:12:37.960 No remains have ever been excavated.

02:12:39.720 No forensic or DNA evidence has ever been confirmed.

02:12:42.400 The post also linked growing importance

02:12:44.760 over the findings to what it calls

02:12:46.640 residential school denialism.

02:12:49.060 There are actually MPs, Leah Gazan,

02:12:52.460 NDP MP from Winnipeg, notably,

02:12:55.540 who suggests that if you deny

02:12:57.680 there was essentially a holocaust

02:13:00.620 at residential schools in Canada, 0.71

02:13:03.080 you're a denier and you should be thrown in jail.

02:13:06.060 That's what she said. 0.97

02:13:07.740 From APTN, this is the Aboriginal People's Television Network,

02:13:12.460 survivor-led event in Winnipeg,

02:13:14.940 pays tribute to the lost birthdays of Kamloops Residential School.

02:13:18.640 There's Wob Canoe there, the cry bully himself,

02:13:22.100 the one who was barking like a dog in a parliamentary committee meeting

02:13:26.280 while the leader of the opposition was speaking,

02:13:29.720 trying to ask him questions just a few days ago,

02:13:33.220 barking like a dog.

02:13:35.440 laughing at him that's who wab canoe really is by the way 0.91

02:13:40.680 this year vivian ketchum celebrated her birthday by wishing more than 200 others a happy birthday

02:13:47.700 instead this was because the residential school survivor's birthday coincided with the fifth

02:13:52.480 anniversary of the discovery of 215 anomalies notice they're now saying anomalies not bodies

02:14:00.080 that are suspected to be unmarked graves

02:14:03.840 near the former grounds of a residential school in Kamloops.

02:14:08.560 Are they, though?

02:14:10.420 We don't suspect them to be anything.

02:14:12.640 And you want to know why?

02:14:15.380 Because no excavations have ever happened.

02:14:19.120 The federal government took $13 million of our dollars,

02:14:22.700 gave it to the Kamloops Indian Band for excavation purposes.

02:14:27.760 three or four years ago no excavation has ever been done but the money was spent somehow

02:14:34.600 interesting don't you think property rights is another big one people in british columbia are

02:14:41.400 very concerned because of all of these first nations uh property claims that they're going

02:14:47.620 to lose their home the government says well we're fighting it in court but they're not not really

02:14:52.940 they've instructed their lawyers, according to the Conservative Party of Canada, to not

02:14:56.960 fight this so hard. Appeal it, but not really. Because they actually believe the Liberal

02:15:07.500 Government of Canada, and of course the NDP government in British Columbia, that a piece

02:15:12.900 of land can have two owners. I don't know if that's really true. What about a hockey team?

02:15:20.860 let's just say a professional sports franchise NFL team you've got one owner Bob Jones who owns

02:15:27.980 the Las Vegas Raiders and then you've got another owner let's call him Harry Highfeather

02:15:34.260 they both legally own the team but they make contrary decisions to each other

02:15:42.340 how's that going to work really now one entity one owner but they're trying to make you it's

02:15:50.560 amazing. They're trying to make you believe, no, no, we can have two owners. It's all right. You

02:15:54.800 can have, you know, First Nations own it and you can own it as well. And the city and, you know,

02:15:59.540 the province as well. So they were talking about it in committee today. Aaron Gunn is a conservative

02:16:06.160 MP from Vancouver Island. He was asking some questions of the housing minister, Gregor

02:16:11.100 Robertson today. But what I want you guys to see more than anything in this clip is the final 15

02:16:18.540 or 20 seconds. This is about a two minute clip. The look on Aaron Gunn's face is priceless when

02:16:24.920 you know who pipes up with a point of order. Watch this. Do you believe the right to private

02:16:31.200 property is a fundamental human right? Through the chair. Well, first and foremost, I do believe

02:16:39.060 that housing is a human right. And here in Canada, private property has been, I think,

02:16:46.920 protected for generations and that that is what obviously a topic that's come

02:16:52.260 up a lot in in these recent months. Of course especially in British Columbia as

02:16:56.400 I'm sure you know. Do you believe Aboriginal title should and can exist on

02:17:00.600 top of or in conjunction with existing fee simple title of individual home

02:17:05.880 owners? Through the chair I think we've seen to date no challenge to private

02:17:12.520 property as a result of Aboriginal rights and title and I think there's

02:17:17.760 been a lot of fear-mongering lately that is saying that... Minister, do you believe

02:17:22.000 that Aboriginal title should and can exist in conjunction with the fee simple

02:17:26.740 title of individual homeowners? Through the chair. I think that they have 0.93

02:17:31.700 coexisted to date here in Canada without issue. They have coexisted.

02:17:37.720 aboriginal title so why are you on what basis are you appealing the couch and decision then

02:17:42.460 through the chair i am not appealing the couch and decision personally the government of canada

02:17:49.540 is appealing alongside the province of bc and the city of richmond and several first nations

02:17:54.000 was that not the part of the decision that uh that these word games make me want to vomit

02:18:01.220 that these politicians play man we're the ones paying them to do it that was made

02:18:07.200 But was the part of the decision that led to the appeal not the fact that the judge ruled that aboriginal title is existing in conjunction with fee simple title on the private property of homeowners?

02:18:19.740 Through the chair. So to be very clear, I'm here to talk about the budget estimates.

02:18:25.240 Then why are you appealing the Couchin decision if it's not a big deal?

02:18:28.580 Again, through the chair. I am not appealing the Couchin decision.

02:18:31.140 Why is your government appealing the Couchin decision?

02:18:32.680 The government of Canada is appealing, and you can ask the Minister of Justice if you want a rationale.

02:18:37.680 It is well documented in the courts.

02:18:39.680 So you don't think, okay, so that's fine.

02:18:41.680 So you believe that on the appeal, it doesn't really matter whether we win or lose as far as it concerns individual homeowners.

02:18:47.680 You believe there's no threat to their private property, to their title, irrespective of what happens on the appeal.

02:18:52.680 And on one hand, you stand up and make...

02:18:55.680 Point of order.

02:19:02.680 police state point of order uh chair the minister has been clear that he is not appealing and look

02:19:09.480 who it is there can you see who that is on the left side of your screen one two three four people

02:19:15.540 up that's maryland gladu oh we got to go back and see that again aaron gunn doing a great job

02:19:21.920 questioning gregor robertson but then point of order you believe that on the appeal it doesn't

02:19:27.940 really matter whether we win or lose as far as it concerns individual homeowners you believe there's

02:19:32.120 no threat to their private property to their title irrespective of what happens on the appeal

02:19:36.500 and uh on one hand you stand up and make

02:19:39.940 uh...

02:19:44.000 uh...

02:19:45.060 uh...

02:19:46.480 uh...

02:19:47.760 we stick for the fourth uh... chair of the minister has been clear that he is not appealing

02:19:52.800 and uh... it is the government of canada that is appealing thank you

02:19:56.440 the woman without a soul

02:20:00.060 maryland glad to i'm going to do one more story before we leave tonight you guys because you

02:20:07.280 know what it's it's been two hours and 20 minutes already time has flown by so fast tonight and so

02:20:14.200 very happy to have had tamara on tonight tamara leach on the show and hopefully you guys can

02:20:18.980 find something to contribute to her uh her court case she's fighting back she wants to make it so 0.92

02:20:25.600 that no Canadians are ever harmed by a malicious prosecution ever again. She's able to set a

02:20:31.400 precedent for that. The government will have to really look at what they're doing before they 0.98

02:20:36.260 try anything again, like they tried on her and succeeded on her and on Chris Barber and Pat King

02:20:43.140 and others. So give send go.com and then just type in Tamara Leach into the search bar. If you don't 0.62

02:20:50.460 have the link in the comments, you should. But if you don't, Michael, could you put it in the

02:20:55.000 comments for all of the different social media platforms not too much to ask right at least

02:21:00.240 facebook and maybe x and rumble and youtube thank you for that uh and before we get to this last

02:21:08.840 story it's bizarre completely bizarre something i've been followed uh following for the last

02:21:13.580 couple or three days and no real answers to it yet hopefully something will happen soon and maybe

02:21:20.820 something did happen during the show the last couple of hours i wasn't able to see

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02:23:00.280 but again we do come out and do these shows when we have a guest like tamara every couple of weeks

02:23:06.620 or so okay this is from the nih the national library of medicine why am i showing you this

02:23:12.300 because the name here, right here, is Nicholas Jordan Wagner. Apparently, this young man is a

02:23:20.860 genius. But there's something else happening with Nicholas Jordan Wagner, and we'll get to that in

02:23:28.080 just a second. What this is, is an abstract on super special relativity. So he's written the

02:23:37.060 paper. The paper proposes a new theoretical framework for understanding time perception

02:23:42.980 centered on information processing in the brain. We introduce the concept of perceptual time as

02:23:49.240 distinct from inertial clock time and develop a model relating perceptual time experience to the

02:23:55.100 brain's computational capacity and information processing rate. This framework explains

02:24:00.820 phenomena like time dilation and compression during intense experiences in terms of neural

02:24:07.000 information processing, bridging perceptual time with physical theories of time. I'm not going to

02:24:12.320 get into the whole thing, but I just wanted you guys to understand that this kid wrote a paper

02:24:18.980 on this stuff, and apparently it's quite good. Maybe he's directly over the target, just kind

02:24:26.240 hover in there. Now, a couple of things have happened with Nicholas Jordan Wagner over the

02:24:32.040 past month. He's been taken in by Vancouver police under a 48-hour psych hold because he was

02:24:50.860 assessed at a distance by a doctor, psychiatrist, on the recommendation of his family. We understand

02:24:59.500 Nicholas's family, not the doctor's. Some crazy behavior, allegedly, which is out of character

02:25:11.220 for Nicholas. Now, Nicholas has made some videos, you may have seen these on his Instagram,

02:25:17.860 about a guy named Alex Rocket, who Nicholas claims to be a Ukrainian agent

02:25:27.660 who is able to manipulate people's brains somehow,

02:25:36.120 and also able to manipulate electronics and computers,

02:25:41.500 and was somehow able to control for a brief period of time

02:25:45.840 the traffic lights in the greater Toronto area.

02:25:51.320 So what Nicholas did was,

02:25:53.520 now this is according to my understanding

02:25:55.680 and everything that I've looked into,

02:25:57.220 what Nicholas, and this is only a month ago,

02:26:00.140 what Nicholas did was drove this Alex Rocket

02:26:02.560 out of his apartment.

02:26:03.980 Don't know exactly how he did it,

02:26:06.120 but he got him out.

02:26:11.320 So there was a video that was posted

02:26:13.540 all over X.

02:26:15.840 of the police actually making the stop on Nicholas and telling him that no no you're not

02:26:22.560 going to make an appointment with a doctor at our recommendation we're taking you in now

02:26:28.580 and you're going to spend the next couple of days with us

02:26:31.740 but before that this is about a month ago this video comes from his uh his instagram

02:26:38.360 he's just walking down the street with a backpack and he's approached by a police officer watch this

02:26:45.000 the iris consular general was having to check what's in your backpack hey man you can't do

02:26:49.160 that that's against my right don't walk away okay now the cop says i want to see what's in your

02:26:54.040 backpack that's illegal search and seizure seizure that is against the law in canada

02:26:58.920 under the charter of rights and freedoms let's continue whoa whoa whoa dude you can't do that

02:27:03.720 i haven't done anything wrong what have i been what have i done wrong dude i haven't done anything

02:27:08.840 you can't search me that's my right that's my right well then why okay okay am i under arrest

02:27:17.240 yes you are you're being i'm being yes i am yes for what i'll explain everything no i just just

02:27:23.320 please tell me what i'm being detained or arrested for okay they said that you might have a bomb with

02:27:27.280 you i don't have a bomb with me well that's what we're checking right now okay you're not allowed

02:27:32.060 they said you might have a bomb

02:27:38.080 so i mean that's no evidence that he does i mean you could say that about anybody

02:27:47.740 right i mean i could say that to a guy who's standing next to me in a bank he's got a bomb

02:27:53.360 but i might be the crazy one so this is wrong on so many levels i think this cop

02:28:04.060 needs to be arrested and nicholas if he doesn't have a lawyer needs to get one

02:28:08.800 now this is kind of a weird piece of the video that nicholas put together this

02:28:16.300 looks like a parking garage or something or maybe some traffic flow don't know where

02:28:21.820 Thank you.

02:28:51.820 All right, so 0.96

02:29:21.820 I was just fucking attacked by the Vancouver police. 0.98

02:29:29.760 I was put on the ground, I was not resisting arrest, and was repeatedly hit in the head, and my face shoved on the ground. 0.99

02:29:44.680 His ear is swollen. 0.99

02:29:49.600 A bunch of fucking cuts. 1.00

02:29:51.820 that police officer needs to be fired that police officer needs to be punished 0.99

02:30:08.700 there need to be real sentences like criminal sentences for assaulting somebody who is not

02:30:14.620 resisting arrest thankfully i'm fine i'm gonna keep going i'm not shook to all the other police

02:30:24.500 officers who are good i'm trying my best to defend you guys i'm trying my best but police 0.99

02:30:30.380 officers pieces of fucking garbage like that are making it real hard 0.99

02:30:35.580 all right so let me take you back to the beginning of this here 1.00

02:30:41.620 does this guy even look like a cop to you what have i been what have i done wrong dude i haven't 0.98

02:30:48.660 done anything you can't search me that's my right that's my right is it shut up listen shut up well 0.98

02:30:53.980 then why are you okay okay am i under arrest yes you are you're being i'm being yes i am yes for 0.98

02:31:00.920 what i'll explain everything no i just just please tell me what i'm being detained or arrested for

02:31:05.720 okay they said that you might have a bomb with you i don't have a bomb with me well that's what

02:31:09.560 checking right now all right so i we go through the video we do not see the beating

02:31:17.000 the alleged beating that this cop put on him

02:31:22.120 then we see this part of the video where nicholas is showing us his marks

02:31:32.920 i don't know you guys i mean i there's so many pieces to this puzzle

02:31:39.560 that we're trying to put together and there's many pieces that are missing as well

02:31:44.760 i think we might be being swerved here

02:31:52.440 i don't know i've just got a feeling and my feelings are usually pretty good with this stuff

02:31:56.840 but i think that there's something made up about this but here he is you can follow him on instagram

02:32:03.800 if you choose to.

02:32:05.300 Nicholas underscore Jordan underscore Wagner.

02:32:09.760 His followers have gone up 3,000

02:32:12.560 since this afternoon.

02:32:14.880 He says, let me the F out of here.

02:32:16.520 All psychiatrists refuse to watch the video.

02:32:20.960 All the videos are here.

02:32:23.580 The one that I just showed you

02:32:24.820 is this one here,

02:32:26.160 which is pinned at the top.

02:32:30.020 I'm trying to find out,

02:32:31.500 and this is one

02:32:32.600 from inside his psych hold here this one is the one where the cops stop him and take him in

02:32:41.100 the alex rocket stuff is a little bit further down

02:32:45.820 i don't know but again i mean i i like i said i only just started really digging into this in

02:32:55.320 the last couple of days so there's a lot of stuff i might be missing uh maybe you guys have done

02:33:00.520 more digging than I have. Either way, I'm not going to say what this really is because I don't

02:33:10.960 know. We need more information to come out before we can make a determination like that.

02:33:17.820 And there's one thing I want to leave you with here. I know that I said that was going to be

02:33:20.960 the last thing, but you know what? I just don't want to say goodbye. So one more thing tonight,

02:33:26.600 ran across this guy, another guy on Instagram. Let me see if I can find it here. His name is

02:33:32.040 Politi Bible on Instagram. Now I know it sounds religious. And some of his stuff may be, I don't

02:33:40.240 know. But he did some brilliant videos on digital ID. I've put them all together. This is about a

02:33:49.240 nine to ten minute piece here and again politib bible on instagram so instagram go to instagram

02:33:56.900 become a member at instagram if you're not get an instagram account follow nicholas jordan wagner

02:34:02.340 follow politib bible follow me at shadow davis get on instagram um get on all the social media

02:34:09.160 you possibly can the government's going to try and take it away from you this is how you get

02:34:14.500 gather information but again you've got to use your discernment guys you've got to dig into it

02:34:19.080 You got to use your gut, say, wait a minute.

02:34:22.220 This seems kind of shady to me.

02:34:23.960 I need more information.

02:34:25.320 But this guy here, he reminded me of Mark Friesen.

02:34:30.120 Have a look.

02:34:31.040 Some who still don't understand what digital ID is all going to encompass.

02:34:34.600 I have a whole map out here of everything that digital ID will entail.

02:34:37.980 But before we get there, let me go through the three rules of totalitarian control.

02:34:43.020 Okay.

02:34:43.220 Because this is digital ID is leading to totalitarian control.

02:34:46.500 All right.

02:34:46.740 So the first rule is every power that government takes from us, it will never relinquish control

02:34:51.000 voluntarily ever. Okay. Every power that they take from us, they will ultimately abuse to the

02:34:56.780 maximum extent possible. We know this, you know, that when you give the government an inch,

02:35:01.060 they take a mile to five to 10 miles. The third one, nobody in history has ever complied their

02:35:06.460 way out of totalitarian control. You have to resist, you have to not comply. And now here,

02:35:11.780 here's a breakdown of everything going on with digital ID. Okay. This is why digital ID is

02:35:16.080 important. All right. So I'll just take down this first section right here. So we've got digital ID.

02:35:20.460 Everything springs off with digital ID. All right. Your first one is going to be all identity and

02:35:25.480 biometrics. Your name, your date of birth, your gender, your social security number, your citizenship,

02:35:29.620 facial recognition and fingerprinting, iris and retina scan, voice print, your gait, how you walk,

02:35:35.180 and your behavioral biometrics. Okay. Location and behavior. You will always be tracked. Your GPS

02:35:40.000 location, trails, historical and real time, travel history, mobility patterns, browsing history on

02:35:44.960 the web, your app usage, your purchase and transaction behaviors. Are you buying something

02:35:49.360 that isn't allowed? Are you buying a gun? Are you buying ammo? Are you buying too much meat?

02:35:53.920 This can be controlled. Your health and medical records, right? Your electronic health records,

02:35:57.880 your immunization and vaccine records, your prescriptions, lab results, health credentials,

02:36:02.120 your immunity certificates, government and civil records, your driver's license, birth certificate,

02:36:06.520 passport, voter registration, immigration and visa status, court records, criminal records,

02:36:10.400 everything will be tied to your digital ID access and permissions building

02:36:14.120 access whether you can get in and out of a building with a digital ID right even

02:36:17.420 a grocery store some of the biggest grocery stores are owned by the largest

02:36:20.300 corporations and they will comply with this age gating restrictions eligibility

02:36:24.740 for services employment access remember Keir Starmer you will not be able to

02:36:28.460 work or have a job unless you have digital ID employment access all of your

02:36:32.120 online accounts your usernames passwords keys your emails your single sign-on

02:36:36.040 tokens your phone numbers your multi-factor

02:36:38.360 authentications your financial and economic records your bank accounts your payment methods

02:36:43.240 your tax records benefits and subsidy eligibility digital wallets blockchain anchors your loans your

02:36:49.080 credit score your transaction history educational and professional your diplomas transcripts your

02:36:54.760 professional licenses your certifications your employment history your background check your

02:36:59.160 llcs your contracts your e-signatures and your notarizations down here it's even more important

02:37:03.640 just like china your social credit all right your risk scores your trust and reputation metrics

02:37:09.800 your aggregated profiles built by analytics your peer-to-peer rating system and your corporation

02:37:15.160 and business rating system on you so corporations and businesses will be able to rate you so will

02:37:20.200 your own peers be able to rate you social credit just like yelp you'll be the product you'll have

02:37:25.320 your five-star review of who you are is digital id the mark of the beast this is a comment and

02:37:30.280 discussion that i've seen come up a lot in the videos that i've been doing and so let's go

02:37:34.280 through it and take a look the mark of the beast comes out of revelation the book of revelation in

02:37:37.480 the bible chapter 13 verses 16 and 17 and it's talking about the antichrist here the the beast

02:37:43.960 and he the beast causes all the small and the great and the rich and the poor and the free men

02:37:48.600 and the slaves to be given a mark on the right hand or on their forehead and he provides that

02:37:52.200 no one will be able to buy or to sell except the one who has the mark either the name of the beast

02:37:56.840 or the number of his name of course we all know that number which is 666 so look i'm not an

02:38:01.800 eschatology expert i'm not going to pretend to be anytime you dive into end times theology

02:38:06.520 especially in the christian sphere you're going to find dozens upon dozens of different opinions

02:38:11.960 and arguments uh whether everything took place already whether some of it took place and some

02:38:17.160 still has to come or all of it still has to come or it's all literary metaphor i'm not going to get

02:38:21.560 into it we're just going to go right from the word what it says what digital id is and what's

02:38:26.040 happening the key here the point that the apostle john is making is that the mark of the beast is

02:38:31.240 idolatrous loyalty or worship of the antichrist the beast the beast system let's look at the

02:38:36.520 greek right so the english word is mark the greek word is charagma i'm probably butchering that

02:38:41.000 charagma means stamp impression mark or seal we see this on the old roman coins where caesar put

02:38:46.680 his image on it remember jesus held up the roman coin and said whose image is on here the people

02:38:51.880 answered Caesar. So he said, give to Caesar what is Caesar, give to God what is God's. So this mark,

02:38:57.140 the charagma, was commonly used for imprints on documents or coins to designate who it came from

02:39:01.700 or who it belonged to. So that's what the mark is. You are accepting a mark on yourself, according

02:39:08.260 to Revelation, that would identify you with the Antichrist or the beast system. Basically, this

02:39:12.680 lines out a biblical warning about the mark. It's deeply rooted in the realities of economic control

02:39:17.900 and allegiance to the ruling powers. That's what the Mark of the Beast seems to point to in

02:39:22.140 Revelation. Now, digital ID, I think, is the infrastructure for complete surveillance and

02:39:27.080 total control over the world population. They aren't shy about explaining their agenda,

02:39:32.040 the Agenda 2030, the digital ID, putting all of these railways together that connects everything

02:39:36.580 you do say, who you are, into one digital ID so that they can control your access to things.

02:39:41.620 What do I mean by that? They want total surveillance over you. They want to know

02:39:45.140 where you're going and when to map out your daily habits they want to know what you buy how much you

02:39:50.820 buy how often you buy it they want to track what you say and do online so that's all recorded they

02:39:55.780 want to know who you associate with they want to know your social credit like your social credit

02:40:00.260 score etc etc it's full-on surveillance of everything you are the next part is they want

02:40:05.220 to be able to control your access to buy and sell they want to be able to control your access to

02:40:08.820 health care they want to be able to control your access to work remember keir starmer you will not

02:40:12.900 be able to work in the united kingdom if you do not have digital id they want to control your

02:40:18.020 access to bank accounts if you do or say something they don't like that the regime and power doesn't

02:40:22.100 like they can shut you down from your bank account access and of course they want to control your

02:40:26.020 access overall to the marketplace the economy the financial systems etc etc when it comes down to

02:40:30.980 digital id they are looking for full control and surveillance of you and buying and selling is one

02:40:35.860 of those so is digital id right now the mark of the beast i would say no not quite but it is laying

02:40:41.220 the groundwork that in the future this infrastructure can definitely be used by

02:40:47.100 a coming Antichrist figure would come in and use this digital ID system to

02:40:51.660 implement the mark of the beast it's completely possible I think digital ID

02:40:54.660 will condition people to accept digital compliance in order to access the

02:40:59.880 marketplace public services financial system things like that I want to

02:41:04.440 personally avoid taking on a digital ID or getting accustomed to that because I

02:41:09.360 do think it is a precursor to the mark of the beast if you put your passport info as a digital

02:41:14.400 identification credential on your iphone right now is is that the mark of the beast no in the uk

02:41:19.040 if you signed up for a digital id because you had to work is that necessarily the mark of the beast

02:41:23.920 right now no because again the mark of the beast requires some kind of heart allegiance some kind

02:41:30.480 of idolatrous worship of an antichrist figure or of a beast worldly system i don't think we're there

02:41:36.160 yet but the groundwork is laid the infrastructure is here that it could be coming in the near future

02:41:41.600 five years ago the wef told us that by 2030 we would own nothing that is all tied into the un

02:41:48.240 agenda 2030 which digital id is one of those things that is tied into that agenda but in five

02:41:54.400 years how have we gone from ownership of things to steadily moving towards non-ownership well the

02:42:02.080 the first thing we can see here is in homes. Home ownership, a lot of people have been priced

02:42:06.720 out. Ownership in general of homes has remained flat over the last five years. Meanwhile, rent

02:42:14.320 has skyrocketed and it has gone up by 5.6 million over the last five years. So rent is increasing,

02:42:22.780 home ownership staying flat and will eventually start to decline. They'll price people out. Right

02:42:28.200 now the younger generation that should be owning homes gen z has been priced out and they are the 0.97

02:42:33.740 largest generation ever to be renting that's your big ticket item everything else has started moving

02:42:39.400 to a subscription-based model if you've noticed in the past we used to own certain things we used

02:42:44.960 to just buy them at the store and have the actual media in hand but now it's all subscription cars

02:42:50.660 are starting to do this toyota mercedes bmw they're starting to create subscription services

02:42:56.760 for features in their cars. Farming equipment, John Deere, they will shut down the software in

02:43:02.820 a John Deere tractor if you don't have the subscription service to have their men, their

02:43:07.480 mechanics fix it when it breaks down. Printers, HP has an ink subscription program. If you got that

02:43:15.260 ink and it's in the printer and you canceled your subscription, your printer will stop working.

02:43:20.200 The other things that we have, movies and music, that is all moved to streaming services. They can

02:43:24.380 remove things that you purchased because it's all held in their cloud not in your own hands we no

02:43:30.620 longer have CDs DVDs it's all digital based gaming systems the new switch switch to they can shut you

02:43:38.380 down if they don't like what you're doing so you won't have access to your games if they don't like

02:43:42.540 what you're doing software you used to be able to own software like your Adobe Creative Suite

02:43:47.500 Quicken Microsoft Office all of that again is moved to subscription you don't own the software

02:43:52.940 anymore but you pay to use it regularly ebooks all on kindle in 2009 amazon took off george

02:43:59.740 orwell's books and so if you had even purchased the digital version it was just gone from your

02:44:04.060 library these kind of things is what agenda 2030 is all about and with the digital id they can shut

02:44:09.980 you down they can shut you out of any of this kind of access so there it is incremental steps

02:44:15.180 to owning nothing and making you a regular slave,

02:44:19.720 paying regularly in order to use these services

02:44:23.300 that we used to just buy once and have in hand.

02:44:26.620 Combine that with digital ID,

02:44:28.580 you step on a line on social media,

02:44:30.420 you do something that they don't like,

02:44:32.780 they can shut you down now on any of these services as well.

02:44:35.740 This is the agenda.

02:44:36.920 This is where they're going.

02:44:38.360 This is how we will own nothing.

02:44:42.060 PolitiBible on Instagram.

02:44:44.500 you guys go follow him. You know, it's interesting. We're all waiting for a moment,

02:44:51.200 a moment that we're going to recognize, a moment that we may have been imagining for a long time

02:44:56.720 now. What's it going to look like with Agenda 2030? But it doesn't happen like that.

02:45:04.120 It happens gradually. It happens over time. It happens so you don't notice it until one day

02:45:10.900 you're walking down the street and your car you get into your car it doesn't start

02:45:16.020 why won't it start must be something wrong with it now it's something you said

02:45:23.180 something you said on facebook alerted because it's all in your digital id alerted the government

02:45:31.540 or whichever overhead mind is controlling us,

02:45:37.360 probably AI by then.

02:45:40.380 And your car won't start.

02:45:45.120 I don't know what the remedy to that would be.

02:45:48.560 Can you appeal?

02:45:50.520 It's AI by that point.

02:45:53.080 You know, some of these people

02:45:54.200 who used to do programming for Google

02:45:57.020 and other big tech companies,

02:46:00.380 who have been around AI for some time

02:46:05.600 have been looking at its growth

02:46:10.080 and seeing how fast it's going

02:46:14.700 and are going on YouTube channels now,

02:46:17.960 doing interviews,

02:46:19.820 discussing how alarmed they are

02:46:22.280 that pretty soon everything is going to be run

02:46:25.600 by artificial intelligence.

02:46:26.920 And that opens up several cans of worms, doesn't it?

02:46:34.040 So I guess the only thing I can advise you to do right now is don't ever sign up for any kind of digital ID, whether it's government or corporate, because it's all the same thing now.

02:46:48.400 That was the World Economic Forum, right?

02:46:50.940 Public-private partnerships.

02:46:52.820 the fourth industrial revolution don't do it i love you all i appreciate you all i thank you

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02:47:22.360 the show every night don't forget to go to give send go.com when you go to give send go you're 0.75

02:47:27.440 going to get a search page in the search page type in tamara leach her campaign will come up

02:47:32.840 immediately and then you can help her in her fight against uh wrongful persecution

02:47:39.220 the obviously was targeted she feels as though her lawyers can prove that and hopefully they

02:47:47.160 can win this, but she's not going to be able to do it without us. So please make a contribution

02:47:52.340 to help Tamara. Man, that's a girl. One of the good ones. One of the good ones. She's not giving 1.00

02:48:02.160 up. She's still fighting. Have a great night tonight, you guys. Have a great day tomorrow,

02:48:08.080 and I will talk to you all. Access Nighthawks again in the Telegram group and on the website

02:48:13.480 tomorrow night at 8 o'clock central.

02:48:16.000 Love you all.

02:48:17.200 See you soon.

02:48:18.020 Bye for now.

02:48:43.480 We'll be right back.

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The Shadoe Davis Show - May 28, 2026

May 27th⧸2026- Guest： Tamara Lich Discusses Her Stand Against Malicious Prosecution!

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