The Shadoe Davis Show - Shadoe at Nite Mon Aug. 7th⧸2023 w⧸Author and indy journalist Jason Lavigne

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00:03:30.000 Hello everybody, welcome to Shadow at Night, this is Monday, holiday Monday, August the 7th, 2023

00:03:40.040 But I promised you guys on Friday night that I'm committing to the Monday show

00:03:44.000 So here we are live and we have a great guest for you tonight

00:03:46.840 Independent journalist slash author slash politician Jason Levine

00:03:51.460 Who's been on four, sorry, it's four shows already today, three or four

00:03:55.340 he was on with viva fry earlier this afternoon on his own platform he had pastor arthur pavlosky on

00:04:02.920 and now he's on with me so uh he's he's he's a little exhausted hasn't had time to even eat his

00:04:09.540 dinner but he's willing to come on and talk about um the political prisoners who are still being held

00:04:16.360 in southern alberta regarding the coots blockades which is i think it's day 440 today if i'm not

00:04:23.740 mistaken. Jason can correct me. He's been extensively covering this case and all of the

00:04:28.920 shenanigans that were going on in court last week. So we're going to find out more about Jason. We're

00:04:33.940 going to find out more about this case. We're going to find out more about the book that is

00:04:38.800 right now number one on three different lists on Amazon. I'm not sure if I've ever heard of

00:04:45.680 anything like that before, but he can fill us in on that. So Jason Levine joins in just a second.

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00:07:44.480 people as possible see this show it's very very important this information is crucial to bringing

00:07:52.040 us to more of an understanding as to what is really going on in the world right now there's

00:07:58.020 so many people who have no idea at all about what is going on in coots it's absolutely astounding to

00:08:07.480 me well what was going on in coots and now what's going on with the coots political prisoners so

00:08:11.980 let's bring on jason levine jason thank you for coming on the show tonight you are an author you

00:08:17.760 are an independent journalist you do two shows a day on your own platform and you're also a

00:08:23.820 politician uh thank you again for coming on can you give us a little background on yourself for

00:08:28.560 those in the audience who aren't familiar with you sure i'd be happy to shadow and thank you

00:08:33.820 very much and i did not get the memo that today was a holiday i was just working like it was a

00:08:39.040 normal day yeah i did not get that memo so i'm not very good with the calendar uh however thank

00:08:46.300 you for having me on yeah my name is Jason Levine and I am running as an independent politician I

00:08:51.040 wasn't born and bred to be one of those I was a computer guy for the first 40 years of my life

00:08:57.520 and then I went back to law school no I went back to I went to law school to go ahead and get myself

00:09:03.400 a law degree because of a whole bunch of things with law I was very confused of you know the how

00:09:08.780 to work with it sometimes I had people come out of the woodwork when I was running a business so

00:09:13.560 employment law and administrative law and other things I had to get familiar with and I decided

00:09:18.360 to go to law school and take the opportunity to get a degree in Ontario as a paralegal

00:09:22.980 the gummies and then I moved out to Alberta during the height of the COVID lockdowns because I was

00:09:30.560 not pleased with the Ontario government and looked for a better opportunity out west found

00:09:36.200 herself in the free province at the time of alberta that changed and decided when trudeau

00:09:43.160 went and did his emergencies act and he went and took his boots to our fellow canadians

00:09:49.080 and then came out on the screen and on francais said to us if you're not happy with what i did

00:09:54.280 here go ahead and run against me go get support become a candidate run against me i have to say

00:10:00.940 i gotta be honest with you shadow i trusted that opinion so i went ahead and did exactly that

00:10:05.960 i decided to become a candidate and start working on that and that was a year a year and a half ago

00:10:11.520 now um since then i've been doing podcasts i covered the poec event uh every minute of the

00:10:17.440 public order emergency commission i studied it every minute we had commentary every day i even

00:10:23.480 went to ottawa for the last two days to go see let me just stop you for a second what was your take

00:10:28.840 on the public order emergency commission you think it was fixed in the beginning or no i didn't at

00:10:34.980 the beginning. At the beginning, I was more naive. I absolutely wanted it to be real. I thought we

00:10:41.680 were watching the unfolding of an inquiry that would bring truth to us. When I was there and I

00:10:49.200 actually saw Trudeau and I listened to the testimony and saw how it worked, I was pretty

00:10:54.040 heartbroken by the end. I did not have the same feelings at the beginning because we did cover it

00:10:59.840 all and we covered things like how is he lying and then that one's lying and nobody says anything

00:11:05.000 or why are they hiding documents and and we don't we seem to really get them out i was pretty

00:11:10.780 frustrated for brendan miller and his team who were working really hard to uncover some redacted

00:11:15.800 documents and some really important information and also trying to bring forward some witnesses

00:11:20.580 it was so heartbreaking and and i felt a little jaded by the time we were done the poec and this

00:11:27.700 is before the report even came out I was feeling that way you were there watching it in person

00:11:33.200 yeah the last two days I was there watching Freeland and Trudeau himself what was it like

00:11:39.320 when Trudeau walked into the room late of course fashionably like just enough for the showmanship

00:11:44.440 of it right yeah I'll be honest okay because I want to be an honest guy I like to be as honest

00:11:50.080 as I can be I was impressed to see him in person he is our leader I may not like him I didn't vote

00:11:57.220 for him but there's standing our leader and he did come in late he did a little thing where he

00:12:02.480 looked around tribial coy and then kind of sat down but i did i did have the hope maybe i guess

00:12:09.760 too naive at the time that this would help turn things maybe he would tell us why he did what he

00:12:15.380 did and it would make sense but when he made that comment about i didn't call anybody names

00:12:20.900 the entire room the air let out there was no chance that we were going to see any justice

00:12:26.860 happening and uh from that point on i was taking notes in in the we need to do something about this

00:12:33.000 later is how i was taking my notes because i knew we weren't going to be doing much here anymore i

00:12:37.580 knew this was a kangaroo inquiry at this point so i was just taking notes getting ready for

00:12:42.720 hopefully we could address some of these lies later you know i did talk about that uh that

00:12:47.940 moment that you just referred to when he said i didn't call any unvaccinated people names

00:12:53.360 paraphrasing because i'm not exactly sure of the uh of the direct quote but i was watching that

00:12:59.480 i was streaming the thing and i couldn't believe it and we heard an actual audible gasp come from

00:13:07.180 the people in attendance what was it like in that moment you said the air came out of the room but

00:13:11.720 were you watching trudeau's face the entire time oh he was smug okay so the left side of the room

00:13:18.420 is where more of his supporters were and that's where i put myself i put myself right in the

00:13:22.800 middle of the lion's den. In fact, I was sitting right next to somebody who's known as the biggest

00:13:27.760 counter protester there is. She has a name. She's been fighting lots of people. But I sat right

00:13:33.240 beside her during that moment, her and her daughter. The other side of the room was more of

00:13:38.460 the freedom supporters. It was pretty obvious that the rooms were kind of split up. But the

00:13:44.040 left side where I was was a mixed group. It wasn't completely just his supporters.

00:13:48.520 but the right side was definitely not his supporters um when he made that comment

00:13:54.260 giggles all around me gasps on the other side audible gasps and a lot of what and under the

00:14:02.000 breath because we've been chastised a few times about being noisy but that that group did do what

00:14:08.900 canada wanted to do which was to let him know we were not impressed with that answer but he was

00:14:14.520 looking at the side that i was on i think he was looking at the little girl that was sitting beside

00:14:18.460 me in fact because his eyes were near there and he had a smug look he just had a smug look like

00:14:22.900 yeah that's me what was the uh what was the interplay like between those people the people

00:14:30.440 that you put yourself in uh and and the other side the freedom people was was there any at all

00:14:36.280 no no it was very cordial very nice i even interviewed that lady later on um i spoke to

00:14:42.820 a whole bunch of people there because again i'm trying to get the whole story which means you

00:14:46.500 speak to everybody but no there was no cheering or jeering between the groups there was nothing

00:14:51.440 like that uh everybody seemed to be on their best behavior and there to be allowed to stay i think

00:14:56.980 it was the behavior that people were in because the room was packed and if you had to go to the

00:15:01.120 washroom your seat was gone there was somebody waiting to come in and take it so that day

00:15:06.340 everybody was absolutely in their best behavior but i never did see even uh outside in the in the

00:15:11.720 halls or anything i did not see anybody cheering or jeering each other or making comments about

00:15:16.600 masks or anything like that it was well-behaved canadians which was probably a lot similar to

00:15:21.300 the actual convoy itself uh same type of behavior of the people uh no there was no problems nobody

00:15:27.020 got kicked out or removed or anything like that you know it's interesting when we talk about

00:15:30.720 justin trudeau is the way you did anyway he's the leader of our country he's elected the leader of

00:15:35.660 our country I would not call him that but my only real exposure to anybody in that situation was

00:15:42.460 meeting Brian Mulrooney in the 1980s and I remember I was working in radio at the time and I remember

00:15:47.780 when he came into the building he had CSIS agents all around but when he walked into the room it was

00:15:55.820 like he was this larger than life presence and maybe it's because you know we see these guys on

00:16:01.240 TV all the time they're always talking to reporters they're you see him standing up in the

00:16:05.300 house of commons you know they are the prime minister and so you know you have reverence for

00:16:11.480 that and i was actually impressed as you just pointed out but i'm not so sure like my opinion

00:16:16.600 of of justin trudeau would be like that given all of this crap that he's pulled off since he's been

00:16:23.020 the prime minister for eight years but was there that vibe that that presence in the room yeah

00:16:28.760 yeah yeah yeah and there was no cheers or hate or even comments when he walked in i think there was

00:16:34.680 admiration on one side and reluctant respect on the other side. Nobody was willing to be the one

00:16:41.100 that threw a bad word or say something or show disrespect, whether it was reluctant because they

00:16:46.320 were worried about being kicked out or it just wasn't something they're prepared to do. But there

00:16:51.020 was a reluctant respect, I would say, on one side of that room. And then the other side, it was

00:16:55.160 admiration. They were very happy to see him. Interestingly, we've seen a lot of protests

00:16:59.340 and a lot of flags regarding Justin Trudeau in this past year or so. Whenever he makes an

00:17:03.960 appearance in any canadian city or town he's met with a entourage of people yelling at him in one

00:17:09.140 case we had a couple of years ago people throwing gravel and sand at him and you know i don't think

00:17:13.940 i've ever seen that with a canadian prime minister have you ever no no like the last absolutely last

00:17:19.820 year or so it's really deteriorated and they're not even trying to stop the crowd anymore and it

00:17:24.000 doesn't even seem like the press is even trying to stop the information it seems like he's not

00:17:28.700 protected when it comes to the public image anymore i think people were just as frustrated

00:17:33.000 but we get to hear it more and and it's coming out more and there's more recordings of it

00:17:37.640 i still think he was disliked even back then yeah okay let's get to your coverage of the uh the

00:17:43.800 coots political prisoners which is what we have been calling them and should be calling them

00:17:48.180 because that yes that's what i believe they are uh there is no real precedence for these guys to

00:17:53.760 still be in lockup after what 440 days is that right you're correct it's 540 days you're correct

00:17:59.200 I'm sorry, 540 days, and we have had Granny Margaret McKay on the show a couple of times.

00:18:06.120 She gives us an insight as to how they're doing physically, spiritually, and mentally,

00:18:10.980 and how their family members are doing, but when it comes to the actual process of the court,

00:18:16.600 you have been following this case since the early days, correct?

00:18:21.220 Well, what I did is I got involved late, so in June, but I did sit down with people who did sit there,

00:18:26.760 uh grant granny mckay or margaret mckay is certainly one of them uh she has a friend

00:18:32.260 that i met as well her name is danielle i actually don't know her last name but we know her as

00:18:36.840 danielle and she took wonderful notes every single day she wrote things down that she didn't even

00:18:42.260 understand what it meant but she heard it so she wrote it down so as a legal person as i'm reading

00:18:46.720 this there's some phonetically spelt stuff and i'm like oh she knows what that word is well she

00:18:50.860 doesn't know what the word is because she can't spell it but she got it phonetically so i know

00:18:54.420 what she means um it was incredible to sit down with both of them and go through a lot of the

00:18:59.660 details and then later some of the family members as well i got to sit and get some of the details

00:19:04.320 from them as well i did spend every minute of the last week there though so the last week where it

00:19:09.800 was the 24th to the 28th i was there every single day every single minute uh and covering every

00:19:15.520 single part of that and i think we caught some of the more important pieces of this uh matter

00:19:20.600 during that week because there was three major things that happened yeah you know i commend you

00:19:25.080 for you know getting in on this late but then actually getting all the information required

00:19:29.920 to give yourself the uh you know the perspective of what's happened since the beginning so you can

00:19:36.180 actually make sense of what's going on now can you give us uh knowing that you have done that

00:19:40.920 summary because there's people that don't know they know exactly what the situation is for those

00:19:46.500 guys now but they don't know exactly what the genesis of this was of course we all know about

00:19:52.260 the blockade but you know can you give us some background as to what exactly happened possibly

00:19:58.220 in a timeline style or you know the best you can do with it from beginning until now where we

00:20:04.860 where we have come well let me give you the summary of the last day which was the officer

00:20:11.300 of rcmp staff sergeant who was responsible for the silver level command so they have gold silver

00:20:17.960 bronze so he was in the middle there and he gave us a lot of the information the timeline of that

00:20:22.240 evening of the week or so so let me just start with that around uh february 9th so february 9th

00:20:29.620 they started to receive information that there was a possible cachet of guns or some sort of

00:20:34.940 issue around a church so we heard on friday that there was a church involved in the local area

00:20:42.740 fort mcleod that the police were concerned about that may have had what they called extremist

00:20:48.780 elements in there by the way these are all the allegations of the police and the crown at the

00:20:54.020 time i am not making the allegations myself the because it's important because uh it turns out

00:21:00.640 later, these are allegations that were not proven. So this church apparently had these guns and it's

00:21:06.600 on the 9th or so, and they're worried about it. On the 10th, they're starting to look at

00:21:10.800 arresting people and trying to find guns and they're working the crowd. They're trying to

00:21:15.840 decide are they going to arrest the leadership, which is a four person group, or are they going

00:21:20.800 to arrest what they call the security detail, which was a larger group, which included the

00:21:25.300 four men's inevitably included the four men on february 11th they were trying to get permission

00:21:31.680 to get a warrants so at this point they were issuing warrants under emergency under immediate

00:21:38.420 need and turns out they had these warrants for four days so there's nothing much immediate about

00:21:43.480 them on the 12th they're starting to look for guns around the situation so they're now searching

00:21:48.260 semi-trucks to find guns they still don't have a cachet guns and their intelligence isn't getting

00:21:53.820 very good. Somewhere around this time is when an informant or two informants were put into the

00:22:00.480 crowd who went and buddied up with some people. I got to let you know, these informants did not

00:22:05.880 have any recording devices. There's no wires. There's no recordings of any of the encounters

00:22:10.480 that these informants had. Actually, I want to be careful of that. They're not informants.

00:22:14.260 They're undercover officers. So they're actually employed by, whereas informants could be just via

00:22:19.220 a civilian uh they're undercover officers on the 13th according to the testimony is when they

00:22:26.280 decided to start to execute and go find the guns they haven't located the guns with the church

00:22:32.100 they haven't located the guns in the semi trucks that they were searching but they had information

00:22:36.720 from these undercover officers that there may be guns the information i'm going to interrupt you

00:22:41.860 for one second did they have or need warrants to get into all the places that they wanted to look

00:22:47.440 okay well i don't know about the semi trucks it wasn't talked about whether or not there were

00:22:52.920 warrants about those semi trucks what did come out is the warrant that was eventually used on

00:22:58.080 the residence that has a house which they call a mobile at times and then two trailers two hunting

00:23:03.880 trailers so these are alberta hunting trailers so there was a warrant issued for those that location

00:23:10.080 on the 13th just prior to that though the decision was made to go and start arresting people at

00:23:17.220 nine o'clock 9 p.m on the 13th uh chris lisik was streaming uh he was streaming the police officers

00:23:25.780 the comment he made was that's a nice gun i wish i had one this was his way of being jealous of it

00:23:35.880 maybe liking it the police reported that he said that's a nice gun i want to take one which they

00:23:44.200 then said is uttering a threat and they arrested him on the spot for uttering a threat now for

00:23:49.900 unfortunately for the crown we do have the recording he didn't say that but the police

00:23:54.160 officer in the charging documents that's the that's what they said they he said so they arrested him

00:24:00.240 on um uh on that charge right there the uttering a threat but that's a lie he never said that and

00:24:08.580 even if he did say it he he was joking obviously not even joking like it's clear that he was

00:24:15.740 envious that i would be the word i would use he was envious but he certainly wasn't uh possessive

00:24:21.900 he wasn't trying to acquire it which would be the criminal charge you're trying to acquire it

00:24:26.640 he was uh i would say absolutely jealous if anything else um but he never made a move towards

00:24:33.640 them he didn't do anything like that they just arrested him and again there is a recording of

00:24:37.700 this um that 9 50 so about 50 minutes later tony olenik was also streaming he was recording and he

00:24:47.280 was recording the police officers around him and i guess he noticed that they were kind of coming in

00:24:51.620 and he's talking about hey i wish you guys would just put your guns down and have a coffee and

00:24:56.020 let's just hang out and do all this kind of stuff little did he know he was recording his arresters

00:25:01.240 because as soon as that thing ended he uploaded it and they arrested him they arrested him for

00:25:06.860 mischief uh then now this is the 13th of february at 12 30 in the morning on the 14th this is when

00:25:14.620 they went to go get chris carbert so i want to emphasize something at this point chris lysic

00:25:20.740 is arrested at nine o'clock tony olenik heard about it didn't run didn't go collect the guns

00:25:27.680 didn't go tell an entire organization what's going on with chris lysic or anything like that

00:25:32.260 He just kept doing his thing, which was participating and being at the event.

00:25:37.020 And also, I want your viewers to know, none of these people had guns on them, only the police officers.

00:25:41.800 So none of the weapons or firearms that we see later was acquired during these arrests.

00:25:48.020 At 1230 in the morning, Chris Carbert, who also heard that Chris Lysak was arrested at nine o'clock, also heard about Tony being arrested just before 10 o'clock.

00:25:58.600 What did he do?

00:25:59.380 He went to sleep because he wasn't feeling well.

00:26:01.620 so he was sleeping in the trailer which is a hunting trailer if you're in southern alberta

00:26:06.820 or even southern prairies hunting trailers are fifth wheels they have the equipment in it you

00:26:12.600 can do stuff it's for hunting you'll eat you'll have your what your your firearms and that kind

00:26:17.120 of stuff in it he was sleeping in a hunting trailer they surrounded him come out with your

00:26:22.660 hands up that whole thing he comes out peacefully 12 30 he's arrested now they find some uh firearms

00:26:31.600 in in his trailer and they find firearms other places and then bring them together this ends

00:26:37.600 up being what they call the cache um we don't know whose weapons are who we don't know which

00:26:42.720 people own what that's not disclosed yet in the disclosure but we do know that there was 15

00:26:47.980 weapons put on that table but only six of them were found in in one of the trailers that had

00:26:54.480 one of the men in it we don't know about the other trailers and and the other uh firearms

00:27:00.040 Now, Jason, this is where I'm sorry to to interrupt you, but this this is where people are speculating that there was a plant that happened by the RCMP.

00:27:10.140 So this is not it. You don't think that this was.

00:27:13.580 So there's rumor about Joanna Pearson, I believe her name is, who recorded a five hour recording, who claimed at one point that this was proof of planting of weapons.

00:27:25.220 She has since recanted that. So I'm glad you gave me the opportunity to bring this up.

00:27:29.200 She has since recanted that her charges have been dropped.

00:27:32.520 And really, if you listen to the recording, it does not show or say or imply a planting.

00:27:39.280 It does sound like collecting into one spot.

00:27:43.700 So her current statement is they brought the guns into my house.

00:27:49.220 Don't think there's a lie about that.

00:27:51.180 I think the evidence does show that the multiple weapons from multiple locations were brought to one spot.

00:27:57.380 that's all that she can really say because there's no planting and we even believe at this point

00:28:03.840 there's no need to plant these were illegal weapons they were illegal um not weapons they're

00:28:08.820 firearms they're legal hunting firearms and there's no real reason to create a concern around

00:28:15.180 planting um so we've looked at this pretty closely and we don't believe that that's what happened

00:28:20.100 nor do we think it changes the guilt or innocence of the men we're all 15 of the weapons

00:28:26.420 registered as far as we know yes but we're not getting those details so they're not releasing

00:28:34.720 registered to who we do know they're not they don't belong to the men so immediately during

00:28:41.280 one of the interviews uh with chris carbert when he was showing that picture immediately he said

00:28:46.260 those aren't ours that's not mine i don't know where those came from so from that statement from

00:28:51.120 chris carbert and others uh we don't know whose or whose or what or what we do not have a list of

00:28:56.840 registered owners but they're not being charged with illegal ownership they're being charged with

00:29:01.220 other stuff um so as far as i know there are no hell related license uh charges they're just

00:29:09.160 having a armed one with uh with the fire with um that was armed i think that was one of the charges

00:29:15.420 our guest is jason levine he is a politician independent journalist and an author we're

00:29:20.480 going to get to your book a little bit later on i think it's quite interesting and i want to hear

00:29:24.460 more about it but please continue with the story before i so rudely interrupt it uh when you flash

00:29:30.140 forward you've covered three of the four guys and i think you were getting to number four

00:29:33.920 so here's where it gets complicated because the timeline is fuzzy so just before noon

00:29:42.000 approximately the rcmp came out and made a statement that they rounded up and arrested

00:29:47.540 multiple people they didn't say four people and they didn't give any names but they said multiple

00:29:52.220 people in a cachet of guns they announced this at about 11 o'clock uh mountain standard time

00:29:57.520 they also talked about how one more person was picked up they said on the way to coots with a

00:30:04.320 gun or guns in his vehicle and he was on his way to go shoot officers this is what they were trying

00:30:09.220 to say what we do know is that was jerry morin he was on his way to work he was three hours away

00:30:15.060 from coots he was not on the highway that they claimed he was on they got that information

00:30:19.900 incorrect he was not in heading in the direction they said he was heading they got that information

00:30:24.380 incorrect and he certainly wasn't planning to harm anybody he was on his way to work so all

00:30:31.820 his text messages his phone calls everything before that which have been provided because

00:30:35.900 everything was tapped on that level does not show him participate in anything other than going to

00:30:41.700 work um but they did yes they picked him up on february 14th around noon and that's when he was

00:30:48.560 arrested so again none of these men were together at any point they picked them up individually

00:30:53.500 sometimes hours apart none of the men had weapons or firearms on them uh jerry did have two in his

00:31:00.620 truck again registered legal stored properly ammunition was in the gull box everything

00:31:06.280 stored properly because in Alberta, you definitely keep some of your firearms with you. Once again,

00:31:12.600 he got picked up. And then here's where the timeline gets really fuzzy, Shadow. At about

00:31:18.680 two o'clock or so Mountain Standard Time, the EA is invoked in Ottawa. So the Prime Minister's

00:31:26.720 out there saying, hey, we're invoking this. But a couple hours later, about 4.30 Mountain Standard

00:31:32.240 time is when the first charges on the men for conspiracy to commit murder were applied. So in

00:31:38.880 this timeline, the men are picked up on uttering a threat in mischief. That's what they're picked

00:31:43.640 up on. And then they're later charged with a conspiracy to commit murder. And this is after

00:31:49.300 the EA has been invoked. So I think the timeline is important here because the police even came out

00:31:54.160 providing the narrative incredibly early, including providing that picture of those weapons or those

00:31:59.240 firearms but even one of the gentlemen wasn't arrested yet and none of them were charged with

00:32:04.900 what they were talking about yet so it sounds very chicken before the egg and we're not quite sure

00:32:10.800 how february 14th really rolled out on the timeline this is something we'll be paying

00:32:15.440 very close attention to when this finally goes to trial on when things were done by who and for what

00:32:21.840 reason because it does appear that the emergencies act was invoked and then the cause was filled in

00:32:29.080 or the reasons we're filled in.

00:32:31.660 Interesting.

00:32:32.720 Can you give us a heads up

00:32:35.000 on what each of the four is charged with?

00:32:38.740 Are they all charged with the same thing?

00:32:40.560 This is where a lot of people are fuzzy.

00:32:42.900 No, they're not all charged with the same.

00:32:44.060 They're all charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

00:32:46.500 That's the main charge on all of them.

00:32:48.420 Mischief.

00:32:49.240 I believe they all have mischief.

00:32:51.000 One of them has uttering a threat.

00:32:52.580 That would be Chris Lysak.

00:32:54.080 And one of them has a firearms violation

00:32:57.060 because it had ammunition in it.

00:32:58.860 so it was armed and it shouldn't have had ammunition in it for one person for one firearm

00:33:03.640 so they make it sound in the left-wing corporate media and obviously the rcmp these guys were

00:33:12.060 the brain trust of some kind of an extreme right-wing movement that was trying to

00:33:18.740 pick off rcmp officers because they were upset at the conduct that the rcmp was showing towards

00:33:25.960 the people um did these guys know each other before any of this so chris carver and chris

00:33:32.620 lysick are childhood friends so those two chrises do know each other jerry chris chris and tony did

00:33:39.360 not know each other uh they may have met during the convoy during the protest itself uh but that

00:33:45.920 would be about it they didn't know each other before then chris and chris lifetime friends

00:33:50.780 Tony didn't know anybody.

00:33:52.480 Jerry didn't know anybody.

00:33:54.660 And that's the relationship there.

00:33:56.120 And by the way, three of them had completely clean records.

00:33:59.120 Not even a problem.

00:34:01.020 Not a simple problem.

00:34:02.400 One of them had a juvenile record, which was stayed and has no adult record at all.

00:34:09.240 You know, I had Sean Buckley from the National Citizens Inquiry on the show last week.

00:34:15.920 And he was talking about, you know, representing murderers over the past 25 years.

00:34:22.480 He's been a litigator for a very long time.

00:34:24.340 He said he's I can't remember the amount of cases, probably over a thousand.

00:34:28.260 He said he's had people who have done some very terrible things and he's got them all released on conditions within a week at the most.

00:34:38.980 we had a guy here in winnipeg who during the height of the manitoba freedom convoy

00:34:45.520 ran over four guys in the street this guy is a known antifa activist and he was out on bail within

00:34:53.520 three days these are very serious charges so what you know attempted murder right um conspiracy to

00:35:04.140 commit murder yeah because attempted murder means you actually had a plan to do murder

00:35:07.940 conspiracy means you just talked about it well what we're talking about are the guys in coots

00:35:12.700 but this guy here in winnipeg he actually tried to run these people down i would say that's

00:35:16.880 attempted murder so in your understand in in your legal background and all of your knowledge have

00:35:22.480 you ever seen anything like this before is it completely unprecedented very unprecedented in

00:35:28.120 fact we had donald best on who's also a police officer we had danny bulford on who's a police

00:35:32.300 officer we had eric uh no rick abbott police officer they all said the same thing they said

00:35:38.420 everybody gets bail uh there's conditions we'll take away your passport there'll be cash bond

00:35:44.080 there'll be trackers on you uh everybody gets bail in canada except for these three men and

00:35:49.700 actually their bail hearing is is quite a horrific story too uh that i can share with you but i do

00:35:55.700 want to kind of let you know who the men are because this is something we keep forgetting

00:35:59.340 about yes there's four men they got picked up by the police but but who are they um and chris

00:36:06.180 carbert he's a father of two so his youngest when he was 10 months old he became an only father and

00:36:12.260 from the age of 10 months on completely raised him by himself he's a small business owner he had

00:36:17.500 award-winning landscaping company in lethbridge chris carbert was a wonderful or is i'm not even

00:36:22.620 say past tense he's a wonderful wonderful man he also now currently holds a record for the longest

00:36:27.600 bible study group that he leads unfortunately has a record because nobody's been in remand that long

00:36:33.540 and hopefully nobody else will break his record but after 540 days he's maintaining the record

00:36:40.040 for the longest bible study in the remand center none of the men have had any problems while they're

00:36:44.980 in the remand center none of them have been into fights got into trouble and had anything else

00:36:49.160 happen to them i wanted to highlight that chris lysick he's a father of two daughters beautiful

00:36:54.400 beautiful women or young girls um he's also a single father he's raising them he was raising

00:36:59.600 them with his father so he was guiding and maintaining a house with his elderly father

00:37:03.920 and his two daughters he's an electrician who was working on his masters to be a master

00:37:08.460 electrician at the time both these two men i wanted to highlight them at first because both

00:37:13.640 of them put text messages made phone calls and said we're leaving we're going back home tomorrow

00:37:18.560 we're going to go and see our kids and of course all these text messages were captured because

00:37:23.300 everything was tapped but those text messages didn't make it their way into disclosure just

00:37:28.140 things about staying there and and trying to uh you know just put up a fight and hold the line

00:37:33.200 those messages got there but none of the messages about them trying to leave or planning to leave

00:37:37.580 of course again because they wouldn't spit the narrative they want to don't want to humanize

00:37:42.280 these guys in any way they're supposed to be monsters according to the rcmp the prosecution

00:37:46.740 and the left-wing corporate media please continue absolutely too but if you heard that these

00:37:52.600 terrorists who were planning a coup was also planning to take their kids to school the next

00:37:57.060 day it doesn't really fit because they were told that they were going to go on a suicide mission

00:38:01.940 which is exactly what that would be if right you took that table of hunting weapons or hunting

00:38:08.820 firearms and went to try to do anything that's a suicide mission um these were not suicidal men

00:38:13.340 they were planning out the next week with their children tony olenek he's an only child but he

00:38:18.440 does take care of his elderly mother tessie is a wonderful woman and he takes care of her and he

00:38:23.980 did he was a heavy equipment operator he he would be the guy out in the fields doing the heavy heavy

00:38:29.820 stuff very smart guy too by the way i've spent lots of time talking to him he has a lot of faith

00:38:34.840 as well so while he's in there he's also working on that as well he leads a bit of a group he keeps

00:38:40.400 the bible with him and he's a very good guy to talk to and then jerry morin he's also a father

00:38:45.280 three and he also had a wife uh jacqueline martin shadow not people don't know about jacqueline's

00:38:54.700 story so yeah we know about the four men but it also almost was the coots five it almost was

00:39:01.000 jacqueline was almost the fifth one that they did this to she's charged she has to deal with things

00:39:07.100 she's got to go to court she's facing jail time herself nobody talks about that um it's just

00:39:12.800 because she's not in jail she's not grouped with the five but because she's the wife of one of the

00:39:17.800 men they charged her went after her tore her house apart there's a horrible horrible story there i

00:39:23.380 had the pleasure of sitting down with her for three hours to talk about her story this is the

00:39:27.700 hell within the hell that nobody even knows so i would encourage you and maybe your viewers to go

00:39:32.540 check out jacqueline's story because they went after the wife of they've also kept them apart

00:39:38.140 They don't see each other.

00:39:39.800 They can only talk to each other on the phone and text each other through an app.

00:39:44.120 They don't allow them to even have in-person visits.

00:39:47.400 The reason why they're doing that is they made her a witness in her case and his case.

00:39:52.340 And witnesses cannot be in the same room at the same time during open.

00:39:55.920 So they absolutely are doing what they can to destroy this particular family here.

00:40:00.740 And it's heartbreaking to see this happening and to see how she has to handle this.

00:40:06.160 she's not by herself she has a great community around her and there's good people around her

00:40:11.040 helping her but it is the hell within the hell that nobody's talking about Jacqueline's story

00:40:15.860 is something that really needs to get out there and Jerry is a father of three and he's a linesman

00:40:20.960 so he's the guy that went up on the towers and made sure we had power and did the dangerous work

00:40:25.140 and and he is a really funny guy and he has such a good sense of humor I can tell you none of the

00:40:30.540 men sound depressed or anything like that at this stage i do talk to well most of them now uh on a

00:40:36.660 daily basis and they are keeping their heads up high they understand the severity of what's going

00:40:42.060 on but they also believe in their innocence and they have a lot of faith that the system will

00:40:46.360 work um this is not the mindset of people that were trying to tear down a government because

00:40:51.260 they still believe the system will work they're not angry they're not resentful they're very

00:40:56.720 confused and they're a little bit frustrated with the narrative in the public versus what's

00:41:02.240 happening in the court because by the way shadow it's not the same thing you talked a little bit

00:41:07.320 about a right-wing group that's not in the court documents the court documents do not talk about

00:41:12.880 diagonal on or any group at all the court documents do not identify or provide the

00:41:17.960 names of anybody who is leadership outside of alberta i say that because that's exactly what

00:41:22.640 RCMP press conference said. They said that these guys were taking orders from people outside of

00:41:27.580 Alberta who were the leadership providing resources and bringing it to them. It was just a matter of

00:41:32.660 time. I also want to highlight that the undercover agents or undercover officers said there were

00:41:39.520 hundreds of guns and thousands of ammunition. We ended up with 15 weapons or firearms and

00:41:47.920 handful of ammunition. So whether it was intelligence or whether it was embellishment

00:41:52.800 or whether it was just hyperbolic or scripted, even the testimonies and the information that

00:41:59.440 did come out of the undercover officers doesn't even match the reality of the situation that

00:42:03.400 happened. Not a single person was arrested and charged with being a leader of this group,

00:42:08.360 being a part of this group, or an accomplice of this group. So if the intelligence was correct

00:42:13.040 from the RCMP when they were given a press conference,

00:42:15.820 they didn't materialize this coast-to-coast, right-wing anything.

00:42:20.160 It just hasn't happened.

00:42:21.760 There's not been a single charge, a single name brought up

00:42:23.980 since that press conference.

00:42:25.240 So if these police officers were embellishing, let's just say,

00:42:31.200 and it turns out that they were really embellishing,

00:42:35.080 does that not go to their credibility?

00:42:38.560 Oh, most definitely.

00:42:39.700 And as a witness on the stand,

00:42:41.100 that's exactly what I would go after is their credibility.

00:42:43.040 why did you hear this why did you say that and i also attack their credibility because their

00:42:47.600 statements don't match so you have the two people who went in there and there's lots of inconsistencies

00:42:53.380 even within the statements from them and i would also attack them for the fact that they didn't

00:42:57.760 record there was no recording all we have are their notes after the fact sometimes hours after

00:43:03.340 the fact so this is this is what the entire case is built on our two undercover officers what they

00:43:09.640 said was going to happen that's all that these guys are being held on right now so interestingly

00:43:14.700 everybody records everything these days everybody's got a phone and they couldn't turn on record and

00:43:20.800 leave it in their pocket i mean what's the explanation for that if i was the defense

00:43:25.480 attorney i would be definitely asking those questions before we get into what happened

00:43:30.080 in court last week jason and i know that that you were there and i know that you can break it down

00:43:35.660 very well for us the physical condition of these men sorry yeah granny mckay talked about that last

00:43:43.820 week and i'm wondering if you can talk about it now okay so margaret absolutely knew the men a

00:43:51.060 little bit longer than i have uh here's what i know you see these pictures behind me okay we got

00:43:56.940 these pictures of these men okay there's the pictures that you'll see everywhere the men

00:44:00.500 Jerry's got a cowboy hat on, and they look good.

00:44:03.120 You would not be able to identify them with just that picture.

00:44:06.940 They look nothing like that.

00:44:08.720 If it wasn't for the fact that they have an inmate number and they came in,

00:44:12.660 I would not have been able to pick them out of a crowd based on this picture.

00:44:15.800 They've lost a lot of weight.

00:44:17.500 Their faces are gone.

00:44:19.260 Especially Tony, he's a lot thinner than his videos and his pictures.

00:44:24.500 When they walked in, though, they did have happy faces, big smiley faces,

00:44:28.100 even though they're shackled and you can hear the shackles as they walk they're shuffling their way

00:44:33.940 to where they're going to sit but big smiles across their face on the first four days on the

00:44:39.300 fifth day there were no smiles a lot of head down a lot of looking down because at that point we

00:44:46.240 knew that they weren't coming out until much later the rest of the week we still had hope that we

00:44:51.700 could be coming out but is there any danger that these guys i mean granny made it sound last week

00:45:01.100 like these guys were in harm's way physically i mean at least one of them anyway with a medical

00:45:07.660 condition he's not they're being treated terribly they don't get outside more than what 45 minutes

00:45:13.100 per day maybe an hour and when they do get out they're restricted to a very small area they're

00:45:17.640 not allowed to go onto the grass they're not allowed to do any activities just stand there

00:45:21.540 and breathe i suppose um and just the mental aspects of of being locked up in a what is it

00:45:28.760 a 12 by 8 cell with a possible murderer or rapist next to you and the cast of characters around you

00:45:35.260 continuing to change not mentioning the pressure of what you must be feeling knowing that this

00:45:40.920 court case is months and months and months away how how on earth am i going to survive in here

00:45:46.060 for that much longer i mean this has got to be taking an incredible toll on these men

00:45:50.460 oh physically and even mentally i'm sure even spiritually a couple of them have some strong

00:45:56.120 faith and that's helping a lot tony has really taken the brunt of it because he has a pre-existing

00:46:00.920 condition with his gut that requires just simple probiotics which he can't get he's struggling the

00:46:08.120 last ever since the trial started uh the pre-trial uh so on the 24th of february or january no july

00:46:16.000 we were trying to get him probiotics to help his stomach i don't even think he has them right now

00:46:21.520 last time we checked in was on thursday and he still didn't have the probiotics

00:46:25.160 and this is after a good two weeks of trying to get it to him that's just one example are they

00:46:30.080 doing this on purpose in your opinion or or is this something that they just can't get through

00:46:33.920 the system we may have found the answer to that so when we're speaking to nikki she nikki tom she

00:46:41.620 has a lot of the documents from Tony. Tony provided her a bunch of the physical documents

00:46:46.120 he was dealing with. And on one of the documents, we found a note that requires the remand center

00:46:51.820 to follow some orders from the court about the limitation on their housing. Whatever that

00:46:58.960 translates into, we do know that the remand center is not accommodating on simple things.

00:47:05.120 And other men in the remand center get it. For example, two of the men are in solitary confinement

00:47:09.840 often you mentioned they go outside for 45 minutes not these men uh they don't actually

00:47:14.940 go outside outside when when we say outside we mean outside their cell not outside with the grass

00:47:20.280 or the sun um two of the men do get to go outside every once in a while but i spoke to chris carbert

00:47:27.520 today he called at lunch and casually like this is how their their mindset is now casually he says

00:47:33.740 oh some guy tried to choke me out last night i got a black guy but they took him away like what

00:47:39.520 he goes yeah i was just painting because he likes to paint and some guy came up behind him from

00:47:44.340 behind and started to choke him out from behind he had to wrestle with him smacked his face on

00:47:48.920 the bed the guards came in took him away and he was telling it to me like he dropped his ice cream

00:47:54.980 like it was just something that happens and i'm like oh my goodness are you all right he's like

00:47:59.860 yeah yeah it's a black guy but you know this is my life i'm like wow that he's just he was so

00:48:07.120 casual with it that i i hurt my heart and i'm sure it hurt him as well that that's just the way it is

00:48:14.080 for him now i'll be i'll be frank i don't hear a lot of attacks on the men today it was a surprise

00:48:19.060 to me this is the first time one of the men explained to me that he was attacked in in the

00:48:23.180 common area where he was painting but yeah they've witnessed it i've heard lots of stories of them

00:48:28.360 witnessing very violent attacks on uh inmate on inmate um absolutely being worried that they're

00:48:34.540 next i'm wondering who's coming for them uh some of the guards do show some sympathy but some of

00:48:40.720 them do not um yeah we've had a lot of those stories and some of them are really really

00:48:45.060 heartbreaking you know all of these guards in the remand are absolutely aware that this is a

00:48:52.440 ridiculous situation because these remand places are a place of transience where people come in

00:48:58.480 they're held they they get sent to prison um this is not a place for anybody to be staying

00:49:03.660 permanently and i would consider 540 days permanent or at least unprecedented these cards guards

00:49:11.380 should know better than that i mean maybe you know if they had any feelings whatsoever they should

00:49:16.760 give these guys what they need or at least lobby for them to get what they need yeah it's a tough

00:49:21.800 environment in there that's for sure and jerry let me know that when he first went in there

00:49:26.260 they treated him a little bit rough over time one of the guards opened up to him and said look

00:49:31.940 when you came in here they told us that you were extreme white supremacists and you were going to

00:49:36.320 hurt and damage us the guards so that's what they were told and that's what they were prepared for

00:49:41.880 who told them over the court

00:49:44.840 so over time itself that like we're talking about the court or are we talking about the prosecution

00:49:53.140 there's something that came from the court there's a document that's come from the court

00:49:57.840 we're trying to track it down we saw a reference to it in one document so we're highlighted the

00:50:02.260 fact that it exists and this document gave the instructions to the remand center on how to treat

00:50:07.080 these men the treatment they're getting is the extreme version of what you can get in the remand

00:50:11.440 center and you're not wrong there's stories from both uh jerry and at least tony told me the same

00:50:18.140 story where people come in you know hardened criminals then they leave then they come back

00:50:24.600 and then they go what are you still doing here here's my lawyer's number give him five thousand

00:50:29.400 dollars he'll get you bail this is what he does no these gentlemen don't get that luxury either

00:50:34.800 and even the hard and repeat criminals are confused uh they're coming in and seeing these

00:50:39.240 guys still here wow so what happened last week and i know that there is a sealed envelope that

00:50:47.100 has not yet been opened but i i would like to leave that for the very end of this story because

00:50:52.660 i think i think you're probably going to do that anyway but can you can you give us the summary of

00:50:58.640 what happened last week i think we were expecting possibly anyway some form of bail to be granted

00:51:06.280 but there was a lot of delay going on yeah yeah so the hope so i'll tell you about what the hope

00:51:11.940 was going into it because the information that we had before we arrived at court was on the 12th of

00:51:16.900 june when court was supposed to start 3 000 documents got dumped onto the defense last

00:51:23.120 minute the defense said okay we need an adjournment we need to go through these obviously

00:51:28.100 now these guys are not all being tried or sorry they're not all being represented by the same

00:51:32.960 legal team right they they all have their oh no they are they're all being tried together

00:51:36.260 so there are four lawyers but there's really one main lawyer and really two main lawyers but one

00:51:42.720 her name is tony she takes the lead on a lot of it and that would be tony's lawyer so tony and

00:51:47.380 tony funny um but tony's lawyer's name is tony and she seems to be the main main lawyer she has

00:51:53.080 a team with her and her entire office is really involved in this greg who is jerry's lawyer uh

00:51:59.580 he's a wonderful man a wonderful wonderful guy he's basically he's friends with jerry from life

00:52:04.860 lifelong so he came up and said look i'm helping you i know you this is bogus i'm totally helping

00:52:10.520 you so jerry has greg who's doing a wonderful job as well i watched him speak they're excellent

00:52:16.260 lawyers and then chris and chris they have legal aid or lawyers so their lawyers are there um

00:52:22.640 they're somewhat active one of the lawyers is more active than the other but they definitely

00:52:27.520 definitely are working on it together as a team and and tony and greg are the the two main lawyers

00:52:34.620 to take this forward for them.

00:52:37.240 Okay, so what did happen last week?

00:52:39.920 Who opened up the proceedings?

00:52:42.080 Were motions made?

00:52:43.860 What did we get?

00:52:45.860 Wonderful.

00:52:46.420 So good question.

00:52:47.420 So Monday was the end of an application

00:52:49.780 that was started

00:52:50.560 and we didn't finish previously.

00:52:52.760 And that was an application

00:52:54.140 for the voluntariness

00:52:55.380 of Chris Carbert's interview.

00:52:58.620 So there was a question around his health

00:53:00.900 and his mental capacity

00:53:02.620 during his interview.

00:53:03.660 We don't use the word confession because confession means he said something and confessed.

00:53:08.520 It's an interview.

00:53:10.280 We don't even, there was no confession, just so you know.

00:53:13.280 But there was an interview when he had medical distress.

00:53:16.640 So he has a medical condition that requires prescribed medication once a day in order to keep his body fit.

00:53:24.440 He was denied that medication, denied, denied, asked for it, denied.

00:53:29.900 Then they interviewed him.

00:53:31.020 So the question was whether or not he was competent to give the interview.

00:53:35.120 Unfortunately, the judge decided that he was competent enough.

00:53:40.180 Wait a minute, hold on.

00:53:41.260 You're telling me that the RCMP were interviewing this man,

00:53:45.640 and they were holding back necessary medical treatment in order to what?

00:53:51.640 Get a confession out of him, even though there was no confession?

00:53:55.460 Well, we don't know their reason.

00:53:57.320 You'd have to ask them, but we can certainly go by the circumstances.

00:54:00.280 And yes, he was being denied the medication.

00:54:02.480 It was easily accessible.

00:54:03.800 There was no reason why it couldn't be given to him.

00:54:07.040 That sounds like gross misconduct to me, Jason.

00:54:09.600 I'm sorry, but that is terrible.

00:54:11.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:12.420 And I'm sure once the truth comes out and these men are exonerated,

00:54:16.900 at some point, all of that's going to be readdressed.

00:54:19.540 Because now we know that at the time, not only was he innocent,

00:54:22.880 he was being deprived of his medical treatment.

00:54:25.480 Wow.

00:54:25.880 wow that is crazy that they would do that i mean they obviously wanted to get something out of him

00:54:35.880 so you hold back oh okay now the good news is being innocent men there was nothing to get out

00:54:42.240 of them and they didn't break they they didn't go for the if you tell us we'll get you your

00:54:46.700 medication stuff even though that was implied uh it didn't happen and even though they did some

00:54:51.800 psychological horrible torture on some of the men for example it was uh tony it was tony who was

00:54:58.820 told to his face his face the entire country has now failed because of you the whole convoy is over

00:55:04.420 because of you and he actually believed that he believed that the entire convoy coast to coast the

00:55:10.260 whole movement was ruined because of him and he and he believed that so that was emotional

00:55:15.440 interestingly yeah because these guys wouldn't have been privy to any of the information on the

00:55:20.560 outside so they wouldn't have known right right and this is some of the psychological tactics and

00:55:25.900 torture that was being used on them wow and so what happened after that then all right so on

00:55:33.620 monday the decision came in from the judge that he was competent enough the judge did recognize

00:55:39.240 that it was some pretty horrible torture he shouldn't have been denied his medication he

00:55:43.700 should have been able to get his medication however he had enough clarity in his mind

00:55:48.720 that the judge did decide that it was voluntary that his statements were voluntary wait a minute

00:55:54.600 did the judge even like obviously you just said that it was pretty bad but if it's pretty bad

00:56:00.140 then it's really bad yeah you come to the line but but you don't cross it like where where is

00:56:07.820 the gray area here it's such a frustrating question because you're not wrong uh the judge

00:56:13.960 did tell us before the decision that it has to be a really really really high bar you basically

00:56:18.540 have to be dead is almost what the judge was saying anything below that he's going to accept

00:56:24.000 and so these guys so now any cop anywhere in this country can do what these guys did

00:56:31.940 and get away with it i believe any cop does this already we just have to apply and put his

00:56:38.500 applications in called you know voluntariness and do the standard and do the check and see if

00:56:43.400 it reaches that it just happens wow okay please continue yeah so that was the end of the first day

00:56:50.440 and it was a short day um we started at two we were done by four so that that was the only matter

00:56:56.400 that they addressed on that day tuesday was was the big day that we're waiting for because two

00:57:01.060 days tuesday is the continuation of the cc1 application i do have to back up a little bit

00:57:05.960 to explain why we have the cc1 application here so on the 12th is when 3 000 documents got dumped

00:57:12.100 on the team they asked for an adjournment started to go through it discovered things are missing

00:57:16.680 filed an application for disclosure i also want to decide step here and tell your your viewers what

00:57:23.000 an application for disclosure is it is quite literally the defendant getting on his knees

00:57:29.620 begging his oppressor for the proof on why they're oppressing him it's an application to disclose

00:57:36.420 which means tell me what you have we should never have to file a single one of these because

00:57:41.740 disclosure should be full and complete every single time the crown should be providing all

00:57:46.780 disclosure but unfortunately with our system that's not quite how it works they will provide

00:57:52.380 the disclosure they want to give you and then it's up to you to discover more well the defense

00:57:58.040 did discover some missing scribe notes and some information that wasn't in there so they provide

00:58:03.920 an application for disclosure for these notes the judge wasn't impressed with the crown usually

00:58:09.680 they're not because they shouldn't be this way it should be let's get to trial let's go as fast as

00:58:13.640 we can give them everything so the judge is forcefully saying you need to produce this like

00:58:19.240 now the crown in a haste provided another dump of documents to the defense unfortunately for the

00:58:27.800 crown stephen johnston uh there was a document in there that he intended to redact and did not

00:58:33.120 intend to give without redaction he wanted to protect it under client solicitor privilege which

00:58:38.280 wouldn't normally have worked it would have normally worked it would have been redacted

00:58:42.700 and it would have been put under client solicitor privilege but in a haste where they're unprepared

00:58:48.900 some some speculate a leak but this one particular document with four lines in it was passed to the

00:58:56.020 defense the defense discovered it and immediately knew the value in it immediately knew the value

00:59:01.700 in it they contacted the law society of alberta they go through a procedure with the law is this

00:59:08.000 is the sealed document that we're talking about well it leads to the sealed document this is how

00:59:12.880 we get to the sealed document okay so they find this document that has information on it uh they're

00:59:19.040 not sure if it's client solicitor privilege or not and whenever a lawyer is finds himself in

00:59:23.800 this situation where there's an inadvertent disclosure and it could be privilege there's

00:59:28.660 a procedure through the law society of alberta so you contact the law society of alberta you tell

00:59:33.880 them what you think you got you don't show them but you tell them what you think you got it might

00:59:37.780 privilege, it's very sensitive, and it's very important information. This is the procedure

00:59:43.480 they went through with the Law Society, and the Crown did admit in court that the defense did

00:59:48.480 everything proper when it came to doing this particular procedure. This procedure creates

00:59:53.140 a sealed envelope. All other copies are destroyed, digital and otherwise. You have to attest to that

01:00:00.380 as the lawyers who saw it. This envelope goes to the Crown and to the court, and then the discussion

01:00:07.560 of the application that's filed with the defense

01:00:10.840 is to whether or not the court will pierce the veil

01:00:13.960 and open that envelope and take a look at it.

01:00:17.320 So that's what we had set up before we got there.

01:00:20.920 This envelope was with the court, was not opened up,

01:00:24.040 and Tuesday was the beginning of the arguments

01:00:26.680 for the defense and the Crown

01:00:28.780 on whether or not the piercing of the veil should happen.

01:00:32.420 So that's what we got to see on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday

01:00:36.340 were the arguments from both sides.

01:00:38.960 Is there anybody aware of this document,

01:00:42.000 this four lines that is in this sealed envelope?

01:00:44.620 Who is aware of this?

01:00:46.820 Well, the Crown is certainly aware of it

01:00:49.040 because they wrote it.

01:00:50.360 The RCMP officers who got a copy of it

01:00:52.700 are aware of it at the time.

01:00:55.320 The defense team is now aware of it.

01:00:57.920 At least the main lawyers are aware of it.

01:01:00.380 And one of the student lawyers

01:01:01.960 or the student legal people were aware of it

01:01:05.060 because their names came out as people who've seen it.

01:01:08.120 Other than that, the judge hasn't seen it yet,

01:01:10.760 and the public hasn't seen it yet,

01:01:12.440 and even the men haven't seen it yet.

01:01:14.100 And the men don't know the contents,

01:01:15.780 but there's a lot of speculation.

01:01:17.580 I know that there are a lot of orders

01:01:22.160 not to talk about certain things in relation to this case.

01:01:29.160 But have you heard what might be in that envelope?

01:01:33.640 And if so, are you able to talk about it?

01:01:36.780 No, I have not heard what's in it.

01:01:38.740 And what I can talk about is what's said in the court.

01:01:41.260 So let me clarify to you what the publication bans are.

01:01:44.300 So there was one initial publication ban put in place by the defense

01:01:47.740 around these documents called Information to Obtain, ITOs.

01:01:52.480 There's something like 10 of these ITOs.

01:01:54.580 Again, I haven't seen them because they're part of a publication ban.

01:01:57.780 But those contain the narrative that the Crown put together

01:02:01.400 in order to scare the public about what's going on.

01:02:04.740 So the defense requested and received a publication ban

01:02:08.800 on the contents of some of the ITOs.

01:02:12.120 Nothing else was put under a publication ban.

01:02:14.020 So you could go there for all other stuff other than the ITOs

01:02:18.500 and you could report on it.

01:02:20.420 Unfortunately, I think for a Canadian democracy,

01:02:23.540 the entire media apparatus in Canada, mainstream and alternate,

01:02:28.120 claimed it was a government media ban

01:02:30.940 and that's why none of them were reporting on it unfortunately or fortunately depending how

01:02:36.980 you look at this alt media was there on monday and tuesday live treat live tweeting just one

01:02:42.940 member of alt media live tweeting the entire days so all day monday all day tuesday that established

01:02:49.720 the precedence that media can be there there was no publication ban because that person was

01:02:54.940 absolutely legally allowed to do what they were doing nobody stopped them and he didn't get in

01:02:59.260 trouble. That could have been happening the entire 540 days. It happened for two days. It could have

01:03:05.360 been happening the entire time. So one of the first things I did when I got involved in this

01:03:09.240 case is I broke the story that this publication ban is not a media ban. It's not a government

01:03:15.280 issued one. It's a defense issued one on certain items called the ITOs. But the entire proceedings

01:03:22.380 after that were allowed to be, media was allowed to be there to report on it. So we're disappointed

01:03:28.140 about that part of the media ban or the publication ban.

01:03:32.380 There's a second publication ban that got put in place

01:03:34.680 on the Thursday from the Crown.

01:03:37.500 They were able to get it in,

01:03:39.420 even though I was allowed to stand up and speak

01:03:41.500 on behalf of citizen journalists and independent journalists

01:03:44.220 because nobody else was there.

01:03:45.920 There was no accredited media.

01:03:47.120 There was no mainstream media.

01:03:48.180 There was no alt media.

01:03:49.680 But I did oppose the Crown's application for a publication ban

01:03:53.560 based on the grounds that we're the public.

01:03:56.460 We have a right to know.

01:03:57.400 So the judge did allow me to go up there, give my opposition to the court on that particular item.

01:04:04.500 Unfortunately, the Crown was successful in getting that publication ban.

01:04:08.280 That one is on the contents of the secret envelope.

01:04:11.980 So whatever it says, we're not allowed to talk about it.

01:04:14.980 And then the decision of the piercing, we won't be able to talk about it when the decision comes out.

01:04:21.640 The only caveat I'm going to put on there is this is a temporary publication ban.

01:04:25.700 The judge was clear about that.

01:04:27.400 which means it's not sealed.

01:04:29.900 So I could actually physically go take a look at it

01:04:32.400 when the time is right and see it,

01:04:34.420 but I won't be able to talk about it.

01:04:36.740 And it's a temporary publication ban,

01:04:38.620 so the judge can lift it at any point.

01:04:41.240 So if it turns out that maybe the defense is right,

01:04:44.800 I think the judge will do the right thing

01:04:46.300 and release that publication ban, and we can talk about it.

01:04:49.260 Interestingly, the judge has not seen this document.

01:04:53.640 I'm sure if he had seen it,

01:04:55.200 his decision may have been a little bit different um do you do you think it might be enough to

01:05:01.180 declare mistrial and let these guys walk the defense believes so so the defense are using

01:05:07.600 terms like misconduct gross misconduct and the and the most important term is crime fraud

01:05:14.040 so crime fraud is a specific thing it's not two words brought together crime fraud is a specific

01:05:19.660 thing under the law and the only people that can do crime fraud are lawyers it's when a lawyer

01:05:25.360 through legal advice gives advice for the commission of a crime that's called crime

01:05:32.360 fraud and that is the exception to the client solicitor privilege so if the information is

01:05:39.440 legal advice to commit a crime you get to pierce the veil you get to look at it and it becomes

01:05:45.980 regular evidence at that point there is no protection for it so we're discussing then

01:05:50.300 the possibilities of rcmp officers involved in this situation to go to lawyers asking can we

01:05:57.820 do this and the lawyer saying absolutely of course you can that's within the boundaries of the law

01:06:02.400 they go ahead and do it and it turns out no that this is in fact a crime which creates the gross

01:06:08.880 misconduct situation am i correct and wrongful imprisonment okay so so when this document does

01:06:16.100 come out and again i mean the trial is not even scheduled to begin until may of next year right

01:06:21.460 i believe it's may 27 2024 so um even if all of this information does come out i mean what chance

01:06:32.060 that they have there is no trial yet correct but they can still come out so here's what the

01:06:38.220 defense wanted they wanted the envelope opened immediately they believe that it is going to

01:06:44.260 end the case this was talked about during the arguments one of the standards is if the information

01:06:49.720 is so bad that it will end the case you can pierce the veil um and that's there's many different ways

01:06:56.780 that the piercing of the veil could happen according to the defense because of how bad this

01:07:00.740 is crime fraud they brought up a lot of good arguments i gotta tell you though shadow what

01:07:06.180 was discovered on thursday with the judge and everybody else this is brand new case law so this

01:07:11.920 decision he's making is case law there is no precedence for this it's never happened before

01:07:17.280 where the crown provided information to the defense it's called crime fraud it has to go

01:07:21.940 into an envelope piercing of the veil has to happen this has never happened before in canadian

01:07:26.300 law so they were using civil case law to talk about opening it they were using some loosely

01:07:31.360 connected criminal case law but there was no case law so the judge did make the comment he needs to

01:07:37.700 take his time on this because he has to actually make a decision that will have precedence going

01:07:44.160 forward right and generally speaking and this is a very rare situation for a judge i would suspect

01:07:51.460 that a judge may have one decision like this in his or her entire career usually there is a precedent

01:07:57.960 of some kind because a lot has happened before yeah and that's normally how court cases go is

01:08:04.300 you're persuading the judge to follow the law the current law the case law the common law statute

01:08:10.080 law your job mostly as a defense or prosecution is to take the judge down the law and just show

01:08:16.920 them the law so they don't decide they just interpret and make a choice in this case he

01:08:23.740 actually has to make a decision he has to decide whether or not piercing the veil for the crown

01:08:28.300 is a good idea going forward if they screw up like this or for the interest of justice do we

01:08:33.720 protect the crown so we don't mess up the trust in the justice system and he brought that up by

01:08:37.940 the way this is why i mentioned it to you these are the the issues he's wrestling with i mean look

01:08:42.980 I mean, the trust in the justice system, give me a break.

01:08:45.660 I mean, we've seen a lot of precedent-setting decisions from judges across the country regarding these ridiculous COVID tickets and regulations and lockdowns and all of that stuff.

01:08:56.120 And they've taken the safe path, these judges have, and just gone along with government in most cases.

01:09:03.340 Now, people have been wondering why the government of Alberta cannot get involved in this.

01:09:10.420 we know that politicians are not supposed to get involved in the court system i mean that you know

01:09:17.300 snc lavalon case is a classic example of that but is there any kind of mechanism at all i mean the

01:09:23.000 attorney general uh in our system of government provincial and federal is also the minister of

01:09:28.100 justice so is there anything like even in terms of getting these guys the medications they need

01:09:33.960 and maybe some better treatment being stuck in a remand for 540 days is you know as far as i'm

01:09:40.220 concern cruel and unusual punishment is there anything that we can do to get the government

01:09:44.680 involved maybe the minister of health maybe the minister of justice to do something not to let

01:09:49.340 them out but just to give them some humane treatment at least so those are all the avenues

01:09:54.520 that we're doing because of the tony issue and other issues has been an ongoing thing i can tell

01:09:59.680 you though that they're not helpful um health will point to justice justice will point to remand

01:10:05.340 re-men will point to court court will it does just a circle and we even got as far as we got

01:10:10.220 a hold of someone in um danielle smith's office and this gentleman flat out told the family

01:10:17.640 members who were calling you guys are all calling with the same story you must be part of a

01:10:22.700 conspiracy theory there's no way the system would treat the men like this click and that's from the

01:10:28.900 prime or premier's office so no they're not they're not doing anything at this stage they're

01:10:34.520 not assisting the premier wants to be involved in any of this after those cbc allegations even

01:10:39.980 though they were proven false and cbc had to retract the story regarding daniel smith's office

01:10:44.540 being in touch with people regarding arthur pavlosky but um still there is something that

01:10:51.480 they can do they just refuse to hear any of it which is remarkable to me uh let's let's get back

01:10:56.940 let's get back to uh what happened in court last week and wrap this up um sure and where we stand

01:11:03.340 Now, so this sealed document has not been unsealed, and the prosecution was delaying, delaying, delaying last week.

01:11:11.900 When do the hearings open up again, the pretrial?

01:11:15.960 November 1st is the next scheduled court date, and we will continue at that point.

01:11:21.920 And we don't even know if that will be on the CC1 application or if we'll continue with it.

01:11:27.100 Keep in mind, we're in the middle of an application for disclosure.

01:11:30.640 We're not in trial.

01:11:31.440 we're still trying to get the disclosure so november is going to be all about continuing

01:11:36.600 that application for disclosure if we are continuing but i'll tell you that the defense

01:11:42.180 wanted the envelope open right away the crown asked for the envelope to be open at the end of

01:11:47.140 trial the judge says he'll open it up at the latest the day before the trial or sooner so we

01:11:55.040 You may not see this envelope opened up until the 27th of May, 2024 or sooner.

01:12:05.640 What processes might be in place for the defense to get this thing opened?

01:12:11.560 I know they tried and the prosecution continues to file motions to delay based on one thing or another.

01:12:18.460 And I recall you watching or watching you on Viva Fry this afternoon talking about how brilliant some of their tactics have been.

01:12:24.540 is this something they can keep doing over and over and over again yes there's no one to decipher

01:12:30.660 that no and it's it's legit like they're procedural things so when the crown introduces a affidavit

01:12:39.500 five minutes after the afternoon session starts that he had created during the lunch hour and

01:12:45.020 this affidavit had no material value but that's what they needed an entire german for in order

01:12:50.380 to tell the court there's no material value here so the defense had to adjourn so we lost the entire

01:12:56.000 afternoon uh to the next day just to address the sudden affidavit that had no value to it

01:13:02.060 never did have value does the judge not have any leeway here to say you are stalling i'm sorry but

01:13:08.620 let's get on with it no but we have seen his frustration when they're stalling for sure and

01:13:14.740 even when the defense asked for i think it was for four hours of time he pushed him down to two

01:13:20.380 hours so the judge is trying to move this along but unfortunately there's definitely things like

01:13:26.240 sudden affidavits or changing the argument the very next morning that happened so the defense

01:13:32.280 was all prepared to argue the position of the crown the first thing the crown did the next day

01:13:38.160 was stand up and change their position which means all the arguments have to be changed they're not

01:13:42.740 in the right context anymore wait wait wait i didn't think that was even you couldn't even do

01:13:47.440 that once you've established and submitted your argument to the judge that's it no you're talking

01:13:54.280 trial this is pre-trial where it's a little bit different a little bit looser i'm frustrated

01:14:00.380 listening to these answers man i'm sorry i mean like there is something in canada about the right

01:14:04.720 to a speedy trial right correct that's a jordan decision and that's 30 months for these guys so

01:14:11.560 that will be august 2024 so there's a good chance we're going to run into the jordan deadline

01:14:16.700 and unfortunately the men aren't excited about that again their minds they're innocent so they

01:14:23.580 want to have their day in court and they want to be cleared if they come out on the jordan decision

01:14:28.680 we all heard the the pedophile story there's a pedophile who got out because of the jordan

01:14:32.900 decision we all now still think he's a pedophile and we all call him a pedophile

01:14:37.260 because there's no trial that proved otherwise yeah these gentlemen if they end up

01:14:41.560 invoking the jordan decision and getting free i assure you mainstream media will paint a very very

01:14:47.940 unpleasant picture of the situation and these gentlemen will really never have their names

01:14:53.420 cleared how did they come up with 30 months excuse me i thought it was more like 18 it's 18 for

01:15:00.040 provincial and summary issues it's 30 for federal and indictable what about civil recourse after

01:15:10.560 this is over oh yeah oh yeah well omar got 10.5 million plus inflation that should be 100 million

01:15:18.940 dollars by now oh yeah and absolutely um i can tell you about some other things that are not

01:15:23.880 civil we have been contacted or i've been contacted i guess because i'm a politician

01:15:28.180 wannabe i'm still working on that um but i've been contacted by the ucp party the party side

01:15:34.380 not the government side i do want to tell you there's two different sides they're siloed they're

01:15:38.980 different people. There's a government side and the party side. The party side has contacted me.

01:15:44.680 I'm working with a gentleman there to create new law. So this is how new laws are done. They are

01:15:50.140 brought forward as a draft. In November, they're going to be voted on by the party, and they're

01:15:54.240 going to be brought forward by the government for argument inside the government. So they'll

01:15:58.740 be brought forward by the UPC as new law. I am part of that process now, so I am going to be

01:16:04.480 working directly with them there is some some prosecutional things that we can talk about

01:16:10.080 there's some limits about remand that we can talk about there's some issues around the treatment in

01:16:14.680 the remand centers we can talk about so not overnight but possibly for the future these men

01:16:21.640 could fix the system in various ways because of what's been exposed by what's happened to these

01:16:27.400 gentlemen you know i asked granny mckay last week jason um and by the way a guest tonight this is a

01:16:35.020 fantastic show jason thank you for coming on i really appreciate you taking the time and i know

01:16:39.700 that you've had many shows today so you're you're pretty tired but i want to keep going as long as

01:16:44.020 we possibly can here well i got to tell you shadow i have two children i love them dearly

01:16:48.860 there's seven children involved here that can't hug their dad so i i'm more than happy to to spend

01:16:55.700 some time with you to get this message out jason is an independent journalist he is an author and

01:17:00.340 he is a politician and uh you know i i think the coverage that you've been doing of this is

01:17:05.440 outstanding i mean can we classify you as possibly an activist also i gotta be careful with that kind

01:17:12.620 of label uh because if you read my book bearing witness yeah yeah i i think there's a place for

01:17:19.180 activists there's a place for protesters but there's also a place for witnesses and there's

01:17:22.800 place for diplomacy i i put myself more into the witness diplomacy area because i i want to make

01:17:28.960 change through uh legislation through through the laws it takes a while you got to be persistent

01:17:35.280 and you got to be working at it which is why i i love my my advocates and and the people who do

01:17:41.560 that work uh but i am focused on the diplomatic solution and worked on the laws here bearing

01:17:47.100 witness is the title of your book i i understand it's topping the charts on three different lists

01:17:51.980 on amazon am i correct yeah yeah i'm in the legal section so under law under witnessing and there's

01:17:57.980 another one that i reached number one on there there's a subtitle on the book because there's a

01:18:01.980 lot of books guys called bearing witness there there it is right there can you throw it up on

01:18:06.140 the screen so we can see sure so it's got the proof mark on it so when you order it you don't

01:18:11.980 get that uh but it's called very witness the ethical legal and practical guide to recording

01:18:16.860 and sharing history yeah this is interesting this is very interesting because i'm sorry go ahead

01:18:21.400 i'm sorry to interrupt yes so no no no interrupt at all uh what i'm trying to do here is teach

01:18:26.780 people how to be a good witness how to use your phone use your eyes use your ears put it into

01:18:31.520 your head write notes for the purpose of being a good witness to things witnesses are the journalists

01:18:37.220 witnesses are the biographers witnesses are the historians throughout history these are the people

01:18:41.680 who watch things happen and record it we've kind of lost that art a lot of people look away they

01:18:47.320 don't pay attention they don't even get involved they don't even watch and I think this is part

01:18:52.220 of our problem we don't have good credible witnesses in court talking about things we don't

01:18:57.060 have good recordings we don't have people that treat it well we have people that try to be

01:19:01.320 witnesses and then get involved and then become a participant you're no longer a witness there's a

01:19:06.240 whole bunch of things around bearing witness that I think the society could use because if we don't

01:19:11.920 do that shadow if we're not watching paying attention and being good credible witnesses

01:19:16.320 we have a very very difficult time with the truth getting the truth out there telling people what's

01:19:21.260 really going on and we certainly will have a very difficult time when we litigate or we deal with

01:19:25.480 these issues in courts so what I'm trying to do is teach people how to become a citizen within

01:19:31.820 the society that can bear witness at any time because you don't know when an event will happen

01:19:36.460 and that's the idea behind the book speaking about events uh there was a local independent

01:19:42.040 media source here in winnipeg that put fantastic video out of uh because we have the one or the

01:19:48.740 world police and fire games going on right now so police and fire services from all across the

01:19:53.620 world are here and they're competing in olympic style events uh we have um hong kong police here

01:20:00.400 now the hong kong police were instrumental in beating down hong kong citizens just a couple

01:20:08.140 of years ago and in some cases transporting them back to mainland china for uh totalitarian court

01:20:14.340 proceedings those people have never yet uh come out or been seen or heard from ever again

01:20:19.780 some of those police are here now we know that there's no russian police here there's certain

01:20:25.460 other countries that weren't allowed to participate in the games this year based

01:20:29.140 upon their standing in the world and what happens to be going on right now but the hong kong police

01:20:34.780 were absolutely 100 percent with the totalitarian chinese government in beating down hong kong

01:20:42.500 citizens we have a lot of hong kong east canadians in winnipeg and all across the country they have

01:20:48.700 made their way here and the video consisted of these hong kong police and firefighters

01:20:56.120 who were being escorted by local police into a venue and the demonstrators numbering in i'm

01:21:04.760 going to say the hundreds yelling and screaming in their faces now my point here is that the local

01:21:11.700 independent news outlet got great video of all of this but then failed to tell us what it was

01:21:18.440 so we had to actually find out for ourselves what this was by watching a later episode on

01:21:28.720 on this person's channel and i didn't know when it was on and i thought well what is this i've

01:21:34.440 got people sending me this video so now i've got to go and research it to find out for myself what

01:21:39.420 it was this is not bearing witness this is it's great video all they needed to do was say what

01:21:45.700 was going on without bias right so right and i think you're right and that's a lost art really

01:21:53.040 like people point click and they throw it up on youtube and you hear like world star world star

01:21:57.880 like you you'll get the clips but you don't get the context you don't get the witness testimony

01:22:02.700 you don't get anything or you get too much of that you get too much of one side or the other

01:22:07.560 the confirmation bias that happens or bald-faced lying we've seen that too you know yeah yeah and

01:22:13.900 And I cover that, and not only do I cover the ethical portion of it,

01:22:17.360 I also cover the mental problems with it,

01:22:19.880 because bearing witness can be a very traumatic thing.

01:22:22.880 Vicarious trauma is one of the things that I cover in my book,

01:22:27.040 because you can feel the trauma of someone else just by witnessing them.

01:22:31.660 And witnessing isn't for everybody,

01:22:33.580 because you're definitely going to see things.

01:22:35.040 Like if you saw something horrible happen to a child during a story time or

01:22:38.760 something, you'll be bearing witness on that.

01:22:41.760 So it's not for everybody, but we definitely cover the ethics of it and then the mental challenges that will come with it.

01:22:47.180 So mental health is really important when you do this.

01:22:49.520 Jason, let me ask you, I know the wheels of justice turn slowly and our coots guys aren't even unless something the envelope gets unsealed before May 27th.

01:23:01.940 When the court is supposed to start, the case is supposed to start.

01:23:06.020 do you think we have that kind of time when when it comes to the world economic forum the new world

01:23:12.460 order the great reset whatever is coming i mean uh i'm not sure how far down down those rabbit

01:23:17.760 holes you have gone but everything seems to be interconnected these days and you know maybe

01:23:25.120 that's the plan that they're going to put us through this this long winding process and

01:23:32.300 distract us from what we really should be looking at well if you take a look at my bio on twitter

01:23:39.560 it says countering government overreach simple one section 9192 firmly against the globalist agenda

01:23:46.100 so 50 of the cabinet that guy he's on my list i am very very aware of what they're up to i do

01:23:56.060 believe that they're throwing in a towel of a current leader i do believe they're going to be

01:23:59.940 bringing a Mark Carney in as the cleanup guy,

01:24:02.860 I do believe things are going to get a lot, lot worse soon

01:24:05.420 because Mark Carney is a far more intelligent WEF operative.

01:24:11.300 And I do believe what we're seeing here now with the divorce

01:24:14.860 and the lack of support when it comes to the media,

01:24:17.600 we're hearing the boos now, we're hearing all of that.

01:24:19.980 I believe they're ushering him out on a global level.

01:24:23.920 He wasn't able to get us to resist him the way they wanted.

01:24:27.660 they wanted a violent outburst during the convoy and it just didn't materialize and he just couldn't

01:24:34.580 make it happen so i believe that was the big disappointment uh from them to him and now we're

01:24:41.420 starting to see slowly but we're starting to see the transition to i believe mark carney

01:24:45.560 and that will be a lot scarier for for those of us that are paying attention to this globalist thing

01:24:50.520 you you don't think it's going to be christie freeland or she's already occupied with other

01:24:54.680 parts of the world economic forum no she's going to get a promotion she's going to be a leader

01:24:59.920 on a globalist level when her time's done here in canada no i don't think they're going to put

01:25:05.080 her in it's mark carney okay so we had no resistance to any of this from any political

01:25:12.520 party during the height of the covet response i don't call it covet i call it the covet response

01:25:16.960 because i don't know exactly what happened and you know the people bearing witness through all

01:25:22.480 of this, uh, tainted. Um, so let's just, we don't know what we don't know. Um, but why did the

01:25:30.340 conservative party not stand up? Do we have co-opted leadership in that party also, in your

01:25:34.780 opinion? Oh, this one's such a sad subject for me because I was really hoping for a strong

01:25:39.840 conservative government to come next. My research shows that yes, Pierre is hiding his involvement

01:25:45.300 with the WEF. I've done a video on this. Uh, he was on the website, off the website. He has the

01:25:50.700 power to come off the website there's a whole bunch of questions around even just his involvement

01:25:54.540 with the website um i don't know if he is as indoctrinated as the ones who are glorifying

01:26:01.540 this particular stuff or whether or not he just got exposed to it because i don't have any evidence

01:26:06.060 otherwise but i definitely know that he has been familiar with them and he has power with them

01:26:10.940 because he has the power to have himself removed from the website but not the entire party

01:26:14.600 just him and andrew share well he does have people around him who are definitely involved

01:26:19.680 john baird is one um yeah we saw him in toronto right he was helping the mayor there run that

01:26:25.340 was scary very scary uh because we know olivia chow is uh i'm not sure if she's involved with

01:26:30.700 the world economic forum but she definitely has ties to uh the communist totalitarian

01:26:36.000 dictatorship in china uh so sure you you believe that the waf is working in concert with china to

01:26:42.480 get this whole social credit system thing implemented here quickly or are they at odds

01:26:48.620 Well, a lot of people believe that China was the model that they're replicating.

01:26:52.860 So whether they're the pilot, whether they're the ones that they looked at first,

01:26:56.820 or whether or not China was first.

01:26:58.900 I really don't have that answer.

01:27:01.020 But when you look at it at a global level, we're definitely headed towards that model.

01:27:05.340 And even our prime minister applies that model.

01:27:08.520 And I do think, and maybe again, the same naivety that I had going into the POEC,

01:27:14.020 I do believe that if Alberta can resist long enough and create enough resistance, that the rest of the country could follow in our footsteps and then possibly the world can follow in Canada's footsteps.

01:27:26.140 I don't think we have unlimited time.

01:27:28.660 I don't think it's as quick as a year or so.

01:27:30.920 But I do believe that there's a few issues that Canada might stand up on.

01:27:35.020 Finally, child indoctrination and sexualization.

01:27:38.680 I think that one's coming to a head.

01:27:40.160 I think there's enough parents, parents who happen to be Muslim, parents who happen to be Christian.

01:27:45.060 There's a lot of parents who are now standing up on that one.

01:27:47.720 I'm not sure if you've heard, have you heard about the million person march they want to do to Ottawa on September 20th?

01:27:53.820 I'm so pleased. I'm so pleased. And again, it's not a religious thing.

01:27:57.240 That's just parents who happen to be a religion that's involved in that one.

01:28:01.120 And I think that one's a good resistance. Vaccine harm, I think, is another big one.

01:28:06.600 Too many people will get hurt. It would be too hard to hide.

01:28:09.380 And no more can you say, we don't know, we know.

01:28:13.580 We can no longer say unknown deaths.

01:28:16.820 We know what the deaths are now.

01:28:18.320 So I think vaccine harm will be another one.

01:28:20.920 And then I think the economy.

01:28:22.280 The economy is in some serious trouble.

01:28:24.480 Inflation, and we're playing around with the interest rates now.

01:28:27.800 So I think it might be a three-pronged approach here.

01:28:30.700 The child, protect your children, protect your health,

01:28:34.220 protect your economy, your stability there.

01:28:36.500 all of those who are going to collapse around the same time that might be enough resistance

01:28:41.180 from canadians to stand up i'm hoping that we can do it before we suffer

01:28:45.760 yeah the united states has shown a resilience towards this um mostly from mega types um but

01:28:57.760 you know the difference between us and them is that and maybe this is just based upon the

01:29:02.920 personalities of the country or the people who live in the countries. Those folks down in the

01:29:08.020 United States are much more about freedom than it seems Canadians are. So they do have more of a

01:29:15.320 conservative bent to them. And they have elected politicians who are standing up against the

01:29:21.900 censorship, which we have now. I suppose it's legal censorship because nobody has challenged

01:29:27.680 these new laws that are in place, Bill C-11 amending the Broadcasting Act, now putting

01:29:33.520 the Internet in the hands of the CRTC and the Online Streaming Act, which was formerly

01:29:37.520 Bill C-18, you know, and it seems, OK, sure, we can censor the Internet in Canada.

01:29:43.340 No problem.

01:29:43.980 Nobody is standing up and taking it to court in the United States.

01:29:47.540 You've got court cases left, right and center.

01:29:50.680 So they are fighting that censorship agenda, which is a huge part of the totalitarian social

01:29:57.080 credit takeover if they don't have censorship they can't do it because too many people will

01:30:01.380 be on to them right yeah for sure but the biggest difference there is they're a republic we are not

01:30:07.820 i think the way to fix canada would be the republican party of canada before you could

01:30:12.840 have the republican party of canada you need a republic yeah i know i think that's the ultimate

01:30:17.820 solution you ran as an independent candidate in the last election you didn't join the people's

01:30:23.420 party of canada was there a reason for that well first i just want to correct something i haven't

01:30:28.120 run yet i'm running for the next one but i was correct i was the candidate in waiting for the

01:30:35.300 ppc party for yellowhead okay i went through my due diligence i went through some procedures i

01:30:40.600 have an entire video about this i call it federal candidate so i can really i break it down a lot

01:30:45.680 but there are just some differences when it comes to my ability to represent i i was going up against

01:30:51.500 the party platform and it definitely was going up even though it's not officially a whip they're

01:30:57.020 still whip like in that you still have to do the platform so they may not have a person that will

01:31:02.180 call a whip but they have whip like functions and i did cover that with maxine birdie during

01:31:07.080 my interview with him how that was it was an issue for me the leadership is good the rest of

01:31:13.200 the party is good the party is young ambitious it has a lot of energy it making a lot of mistakes

01:31:19.580 it doesn't have a lot of support it's it's working on a lot of the candidate support stuff

01:31:24.060 there's a there's some more moving parts there do you think that maxime bernier is a liability or

01:31:29.340 he's a plus for this party oh such a hard question for me because i actually like him

01:31:34.380 so do i i mean i like him as well i've had him on a couple of times here i think he's a good

01:31:38.620 guy but i mean he lost again in portage lisgar which was a riding that he probably could have

01:31:43.500 won in that by-election a couple of months ago well here's the thing the ppc party has a lot

01:31:48.300 lot of support in the west to support in the west isn't for maxime though it's it's for the policies

01:31:54.820 and stuff he brought forward it's for his work it's not for him i think he has a liability in

01:32:00.840 that he's not well liked because of his language and where he's come from he's come from quebec

01:32:06.320 so believe i i think you understand this there is a deep-seated whether it's designed or put

01:32:13.440 in there by purpose uh resentment when it comes to french i even get pushed back because of my

01:32:18.680 last name now i am french uh heritage but i don't speak it uh i even get pushed back for that out

01:32:25.080 here um unfortunately that that does seem to be a problem and i don't see a path forward where it's

01:32:32.460 just maxime i do see a path forward if maxime chooses to have two leaders one in the west and

01:32:39.340 one in the east this is something they do do in the quebec it's something they do in quebec in

01:32:43.920 quebec they have dual leaders uh it is it is a possibility or or i think he should he should

01:32:51.180 mentor uh somebody else at some point soon so that they're more prepared for 2025 those would

01:32:57.180 be my suggestions to him if he wants to build that party interesting uh we have been on for 90 minutes

01:33:03.900 jason and i'm sure we could go on for another 90 you've had a long day i want to give you a break

01:33:08.580 brother and and thank you for coming on tonight maybe another day soon we can continue this

01:33:13.440 conversation it's been i'd love to you yeah if you do bring me back i'll get into the 129 named

01:33:20.160 political prisoners we've now identified over the last week and a half i have a team that's going

01:33:25.220 out there reaching out to the groups reaching out to people the easy ones are the four men

01:33:30.240 pat king tamara lidge jeremy mckenzie chris barber you know those are the easy ones people

01:33:35.180 who've done time because of what's going on here but we're now up to 129 named canadians who have

01:33:41.720 been touched by the criminal legal system in relation to their efforts on the freedom movement

01:33:46.020 are they all incarcerated right now or are they being handed some other way no there's various

01:33:51.800 things so but anybody who's touched by the criminal legal system so you were charged so at least an

01:33:56.960 arrest and charge now whether you pled whether you beat it whether you're convicted whether you're

01:34:02.060 still in it whether you're still held none of that really matters what we're looking for other

01:34:06.000 people touched and we're up to 129 now okay uh we can pick that up next time you come on the show

01:34:12.680 how can we find your show what platforms are you on how do we get a hold of you i'm on all the

01:34:18.220 major ones except for youtube right now i'm currently going through my own suspension there

01:34:22.400 i got suspended for the same video twice somehow uh but anyways i i think uh somebody doesn't like

01:34:29.200 so much my attention because again I got a strike

01:34:31.300 for a video that was always struck

01:34:32.500 but in either case you can certainly find me on Rumble

01:34:35.080 Twitter, Facebook, I'm on all the other ones

01:34:37.040 I'm growing on all of them

01:34:39.160 but if you want to see all my videos

01:34:41.100 like my Dr. Mac is video, I have Dr.

01:34:43.260 Peter McCullough coming up

01:34:44.500 you'll have to go to Rumble for those because those will

01:34:47.140 never be on YouTube

01:34:48.280 Alright Jason, thank you for the time today

01:34:51.360 get some rest, we'll talk to you again soon bro

01:34:53.320 Thank you very much Chad, it was great

01:34:55.440 to meet you and yeah I'll come back anytime

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The Shadoe Davis Show - August 08, 2023

Shadoe at Nite Mon Aug. 7th⧸2023 w⧸Author and indy journalist Jason Lavigne

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