00:11:03.060But with Zexy Lee, we did have an additional police officer.0.99
00:11:06.400The judge actually remarking at one point that there are two officers with her.
00:11:11.260It seemed every time we came back from a break that there would be a bit of a time where she wasn't there.0.63
00:11:16.500So we'd have to wait for whoever to go collect her and bring her in.
00:11:20.000Now, this is nothing to say that it's her fault, but it's just so happened that there was a delay every time we would come back of a minute or two waiting for her to come from wherever she was staying.
00:11:31.420So there was that. There was a lot of interesting exchanges. I'm sure we'll be talking about that.
00:11:35.240Yeah, yeah. Like, so have any of these witnesses so far, Smoothie, had any kind of positive impact for the prosecution?
00:11:43.820Again, very difficult to to to get inside anybody's head or read minds here.
00:11:49.100But without doing that, I'd say to me sitting in that courtroom, nothing being said in this proceeding.
00:11:55.180In my opinion, justifies a 10 year jail sentence, let alone the proceeding itself, really.
00:12:30.520Even Jason Levine saying today that he found her very fair.
00:12:34.120She's very fact-oriented, as we discussed the first time.
00:12:37.280And she's trying to give each party the opportunity to run a fair trial.
00:12:40.780As you know, we might find some of those decisions upsetting or unfair.
00:12:44.220But at the end of the day, I think she's trying to keep this thing on the rails, as she would say.
00:12:47.940But absolutely nothing that I've heard so far from anybody that just makes me go, whoa.
00:12:52.960You know, like nothing like that at all.
00:12:54.680Do you get the sense the prosecution's even building a case here?
00:12:57.620Or are they just winging it, like taking it day by day?
00:13:00.140Again, I feel like you, I mean, there's things I think, but at the end of the day, I think some of those thoughts might be just better held back. But I feel that they do have a plan for where they're going with this. Like they do have a roadmap. At times, it seems like they're getting off of it a little bit, maybe, or maybe things are developing that aren't in the way they anticipated.
00:13:19.740but certainly i feel they do have an overarching plan here whether it's landing or not as a total
00:13:24.780other question um to me as a lay person just sitting in that court for all these days listening
00:13:30.240to all this stuff nothing stands out to me like wow that's that's the end of it right nothing like
00:13:35.200that at all so what what was the judge's rationale for allowing these witnesses in the first place
00:13:40.580because it seems like there's a whole lot of hearsay going on okay well uh the rationale was
00:13:45.660extensive uh the the decision took i'd say maybe half an hour to read so there was a quite a
00:13:51.620substantial amount of thought that went into this decision it wasn't something like a whim
00:13:56.140numerous supreme court case references law reference and laws one of the things that i
00:14:02.780can remember this decision being based on uh was a supreme court decision i believe it might have
00:14:07.600been an appeals court there was so many citations like every lawyer and the judge herself brought
00:14:13.100plenty of references. They did their homework. But one that sticks out was the judge. One of
00:14:18.620her citations, I believe, in her decision was a Supreme Court decision, I believe, again,
00:14:23.780saying basically that trial management powers are not a license to exclude evidence for the
00:14:30.000sake of efficiency. So there was a lot of case references. Basically, the Crown argued that if
00:14:35.140these witnesses were excluded, that their case, their right to make a case and their case itself
00:14:40.220would be damaged irreparably and so that they would not be able to prove the counts and the
00:14:44.440information the charges beyond a reasonable doubt without these eight witnesses that was their
00:14:48.980argument and the case law supports as the crown and as the judge cited case law supports the
00:14:55.640crown leading their case as they see fit now that doesn't mean they can pull magic out of the sky
00:15:00.780but as far as these eight witnesses concerned are concerned that they were allowed to proceed and
00:15:05.660the judge agreed that withholding them wouldn't have damaged the crown irreparably. So it is what
00:15:11.420it is. She's trying very hard, I feel, again, to keep this thing somewhat on the rails. And that
00:15:16.340I think that there could be implications that we might not be considering properly at this time,
00:15:21.560potential ramifications when it may be coming to appeal either way. I think she's trying to run
00:15:27.340this as tight as possible, as fairly as possible, and as fact-oriented as possible. I feel that's
00:15:33.760her mindset i really do so what have they been able to get from these witnesses and how are they
00:15:39.380tying it to chris and tamara at all very limited tying to chris and tamara very limited i don't i
00:15:45.360don't think there's a single witness that we've heard of of these eight who had any direct
00:15:48.820interaction with chris and tamara that's a question typically that greenspan will ask
00:15:52.320on cross-examination have you ever interacted with chris and tamara and i believe i think
00:15:57.120none of them have said yes so absolutely none of them no contact um what are we getting from them
00:16:03.560we're hearing about the horns we're hearing about the smells uh we're hearing about uh in one case
00:16:09.160we had someone yes last week testify that there was protesters on a street corner wringing their
00:16:14.040fists at the sky i guess wringing their fists i don't know what that means so now me and chris
00:16:19.200dacy were joking whatever whatever we're protesting we're just going to stand there and say protest
00:16:23.120protest i don't know which reality that really it's coming down to whether you like the protest
00:16:30.540or not. That's what the testimony is boiling down to. Some other interesting testimony that
00:16:34.420stood out from last week, and again, the names are escaping me because we're just moving through
00:16:38.240them so fast. I think this was Vivian Lear who said this. She was the church. She worked at a
00:16:43.840church downtown where she managed. She was an administrator there, very close to the main
00:16:49.940drag on Wellington. So somewhere in that area. And she testified a couple of things. She said
00:16:55.500that there was feces left on her property, though she never witnessed who made that,
00:16:59.740and three cases of urination, I believe she cited.
00:17:02.600And in each of those cases, you know, she couldn't identify the person who was doing it, so on and so forth.
00:17:08.080She also made reference of a truck, and not any truck, but a truck playing Led Zeppelin, of all things.
00:17:17.160Now, she was quick to say that she's a child of the 70s, no problem with Led Zeppelin,
00:17:22.120But he was apparently playing it far too loud for her taste. And apparently at one point they had words, I believe, and she testified that he swore at her after she confronted him at one point. And the police were outside involved in that and it made space for them.
00:17:37.720She also testified that particular individual that smells were invading their sanctuary.
00:17:43.980She testified that they were suffering from lower attendance at their Sunday Masses.
00:17:48.660And she did not attend the Sunday Masses, but she knew that the Sunday Mass attendance was lower because she was watching on virtual and because they handed out pamphlets to the worshippers.
00:18:01.060And on Monday, she would count the pamphlets, and it was lower on these weeks.
00:18:05.420So therefore, she concluded that the attendance was lower.
00:18:08.060Now, I think it was Eunice, one of the defense lawyers raised, well, you know what?
00:18:11.420They could have came and not taken that.
00:18:58.040um he testified that uh with the with the um so yes the first day he had his interpreter
00:19:04.860services mr interpreter have seen him before a bit of a trouble with some of the inaccuracies
00:19:09.200in the transcription and the translation which is a big no-no defense constantly you know basically
00:19:13.960this has to be done right every time first time so defense standing up to get that so the judge
00:19:18.620getting quite frustrated i would say with this mr interpreter no fault of his own probably a long
00:19:23.740day who knows it was the end of the day at that point and saying you know if you kept doing this
00:19:27.560So we're going to get new interpreters tomorrow.
00:19:28.940So the next day we came in, we had three interpreters, none of the same.
00:19:32.900So we were able to finish out his testimony.
00:19:34.480And the main thing that stuck out for me from what he said was, first of all, at that time when the protest began, he had been living in Ottawa for seven days.
00:19:44.460And again, downtown area, I believe he was somewhere on Lyon Street in the downtown area towards the main protest.
00:19:51.600And so his main thing, again, back to this car thing.
00:19:54.140So he was in this car jam, this traffic jam on Bronson.
00:19:57.400Doesn't know the date, doesn't know the nearest intersection, doesn't know the area on Bronson.
00:20:01.860And this jam was so bad that he had to park his car and abandon it and walk home.
00:20:07.100And he had his son in the car and his son was attending hockey.
00:20:10.360And as he testified at the time, the children had to come to the hockey arena prepared to play.
00:20:16.040So his son was fully dressed in hockey gear and wearing his skates.
00:20:20.360And on the kilometer and a half walk back from wherever they were on Bronson to where they lived, people were heckling them because his son was in hockey gear.
00:20:28.540He also said that, I believe, on 10 instances, he had encounters with individuals who were against him for his mask and confronted him about that.
00:20:35.800But I found it very odd that he was describing this kilometer and a half hike he took with his son, Magus, on cross-examination, trying to poke some holes in this story, basically asking him, OK, well, he has to come to the arena wearing this hockey gear and his skates.
00:20:49.440he can't change there because of covid mind you uh why didn't you have boots in the car and then
00:20:54.660he testifies oh i couldn't have boots in the car and magus is basically like what do you mean you
00:21:00.260couldn't have boots in the car you weren't allowed like what do you mean he's like well i just
00:21:03.740couldn't and it's like well and then magus said well what if you broke down on the highway what
00:21:07.380would you do then what would you just be stranded with hockey skates on your son no i and he said
00:21:12.200no no i i wouldn't do that we wouldn't walk i'd have someone come help me this i wasn't putting
00:21:17.420the pieces together on that one that it didn't make a whole lot of sense again and i we saw lots
00:21:23.820of people during the convoy playing hockey no one was in making fun of people for making for play
00:21:28.480for wearing hockey equipment or skates or anything like that it makes it made very little sense it
00:21:33.520didn't make sense again i have to by the way what smells are they talking about when they talk about
00:21:39.540these smells gas fumes diesel fumes and in some cases this there was another person chantelle
00:21:45.540B. Rowe and I believe that's her name and she runs a high-end clothing store which she described as
00:21:50.800a very fun and loving very fun uh enjoyable job she was uh clear to get that on the record so she
00:21:55.800runs this high-end store in Byward Market and she testified to the usual things the horns the
00:22:00.080honking she felt unsafe she wouldn't venture out of her her store but she mentioned something
00:22:04.400interesting that we haven't heard from the other ones and that was that uh there was people who
00:22:08.980were standing in her doorway who she would often ask to move and some of them would oblige but one
00:22:13.680lady in particular told her she was in something see you uh special word see you next tuesday0.84
00:22:19.160so one lady she said to move from her doorway called her a see you next tuesday and she said
00:22:24.320that was nice very sarcastically she testified that was nice but that she noticed there was an
00:22:29.240excessive amount of smoking she i think she described it as three times more than the
00:22:33.600regular amount of smoking or something like that cigarettes and weed so now that we're on that
00:22:39.280topic of being so much smoking, going back just for a second to Stefan Balfoy, he testified that
00:22:45.940he, on the smell topic, that people were smoking illegal drugs. And the judge asked him, illegal
00:22:51.040drugs? What are you talking about? And he said, marijuana. And the judge said, last I checked,
00:22:56.940marijuana wasn't illegal in Canada. And he said, well, not in public or something like that. It
00:23:02.940didn't really go any further than that, but it was quite a little funny moment. And back to,
00:23:07.520I just really want to finish up with that story of the walk.
00:23:10.360So he gets into this huge traffic jam.
00:23:13.100They're wearing this uniform and maybe can't recognize it.
00:23:16.240This is because of the situation we all as Canadians found ourselves in,
00:23:19.400that his son is being limited and having to arrive to practice fully clothed,
00:23:25.180can't use the change room, can't consider or doesn't want to consider,
00:23:29.100you know, the bigger implications of that, let alone that thing.
00:23:46.400And third of all, you might actually consider,
00:23:48.620you know, he went back for his car and he testified.
00:23:51.560You would think you would remember after that,
00:23:53.880seeing as how you had to go back there where you were
00:23:56.340because you had to go back there at some point
00:23:58.160and get your car, which he testified he did go back
00:24:00.600and get it when the traffic jam was gone.
00:24:02.960So just just I mean, I don't want to discredit these. I don't want to be too hard, but I just I find some of the things that are being said very difficult to understand and comprehend, even from the most neutral mindset that I can put myself in.
00:24:20.120so does it sound to you like this is just a and i i don't mean to discredit the judge or any of the
00:24:28.580attorneys or any of the witnesses or any of like tamara chris obviously but it sounds such like
00:24:33.520like a kangaroo court is happening right now these people are testifying about nothing really
00:24:38.840that have anything to do with tamara and chris so i i'll push back on the kangaroo court just
00:24:43.500because i find again that justice heather perkins mcveigh is extraordinarily fair and fact-oriented
00:24:49.880I feel like she is a judge who's judged. She is following the letter of the law. And the letter of the law, for example, permitted the admission of the eight witnesses, which, of course, is not something that anybody on this side, in quotation, wanted. But it was the letter of the law. So I feel total objectivity from her. The most that could have possibly ever happened. As far as good as it could have ever been.
00:25:13.620Now, in regards to the Crown's case, that's a different discussion. Again, not for me to say what they're thinking or how they're in the ideal world. They are supposed to conduct their office, an important and integral office of our democracy, of the administration of justice in a way that makes sense both to the public interest and to the actual concepts of justice.
00:25:36.100Now, whether that's being done or not, it's not for me to say. The Crown is running the case as they see fit and as they see necessary. The law gives them the right to do that. As far as accountability and who's going to be decided what and who's going to be punished the right way, that will rest upon Justice Heather Perkins McVeigh at the end of the case.
00:31:49.180town and um she also later was asked at the end actually greenspun's last question to her
00:31:54.500was in her building does she live above the 10th floor and there was a quite a pause in her answer
00:31:59.000that she said yes or some i think she did yes and then uh somebody asked do you live above the 15th
00:32:05.260floor on your building which has all the 20 floors and another pause and um do you live above the 14th
00:32:11.720floor and i don't remember her last response to that so there was quite a quite a pause there
00:32:16.820Let me just see if I can grab that real quick.
00:32:19.480But anyways, just a lot of pauses in her testimony.0.68
00:32:22.180That's something I'm not reporting on Twitter.
00:32:24.300But if you watched her testimony at the Public Order Emergency Commission, a lot of the times when she was asked a question, there would be a substantial loss.
00:33:09.940And at one point, she testified about aftermarket air horns.
00:33:12.840she said they were aftermarket air horns because they didn't look like the air horns she was used
00:33:16.720to seeing I guess and Magus object saying that she would have to actually inspect the truck to
00:33:21.040know that uh there was some another time she was speaking about something um where I think Greenspan
00:33:26.340objected because she was about to offer a non-professional opinion on something that
00:33:30.220she's not a professional of uh so stuff like that she also interestingly testified about this air
00:33:35.900horn or sorry air raid siren air raid siren she testified there was an air raid siren she actually
00:33:41.660in one point of her testimony imitated the sound of the sign uh so she did the and and just to
00:33:48.080demonstrate because the court kind of was having a bit of difficulty understanding uh what she was
00:33:52.620getting at now she she admitted she never saw this thing that she said it was under a tarp
00:33:57.440somewhere in her vicinity so it was under this tarp but she heard it she heard it but it was
00:34:01.940tarped so that really stuck out to me there was also this pretty intense exchange between um
00:34:08.320Greenspun and her on cross-examination between Sexy Lee and Greenspun, because earlier in her
00:34:14.520examination-in-chief with the Crown, she testified about this makeshift food kitchen. That's her
00:34:19.340wording. Makeshift would appear to be a makeshift soup kitchen that was in an intersection. So0.97
00:34:26.160Greenspun was getting into the nitty-gritty of the detail. Like, was this thing on the road or
00:34:29.920on the sidewalk? And she was like, this went back and forth a lot. And she was like, it was partially,
00:34:35.320she finally conceded at the end after maybe 10 back and back and forth questions the same question
00:34:40.820over and over again she's like well it was maybe a little bit on the road a little bit on the side
00:34:45.320and so so greenspan asked something about uh food trucks like that because i think she mentioned
00:34:52.000food trucks and he's like well where do food trucks normally park a little bit on the side
00:34:56.620you know she eventually conceded that sometimes they park all the way on the road in authorized
00:35:01.020food truck locations, where they're authorized to do food truck business and operate as a food
00:35:06.100truck. She was very clear to mention authorized location, operating with permission, and so on
00:35:12.760and so forth. That was a heated exchange over something that should have probably been a simple
00:35:17.160answer. She testified that she was taking pictures of a truck with jerry cans in it,
00:35:22.800and she interestingly testified at one point that a truck attempted to back into her. That's what
00:35:27.180she said to the Crown on her evidence on examination in chief, that a truck had attempted to back into
00:35:33.220her. This is something we heard at POEC as well. And that she had, I believe she testified, she
00:35:38.720made a police report, got an incident with a number, but it never went anywhere. She does not
00:35:43.460remember the day that happened. Now, it was kind of, I kind of was thinking at the beginning that
00:35:47.900she didn't also know the day, the where, where it happened. But she definitely didn't know the day,
00:35:53.400but she didn't she she didn't say she didn't know the where and later on on cross-examination this
00:35:58.320came up a lot with this truck but before i finish with this truck i have to open up another segue
00:36:03.340to something that will lead us back to the truck okay sorry so we are enjoying this very much
00:36:11.360she had said something she had famously said something i think this was reported at poec
00:36:17.060where she basically told a group of protesters to go the f back wherever you come from and we
00:36:22.440learned now, she added this today, and I believe this to be new information that has never been
00:36:26.460revealed anywhere before. I had gone back and forth with a few people to try and confirm that
00:36:30.680this may be new information. But she testified that after she had said that go the F home to0.88
00:36:37.600these protesters, that is when this truck that she has testified about in the past backed into her
00:36:43.060or back towards her. She later, earlier in her cross-examination with Greenspun, this was with
00:36:48.100Magus I believe with Greenspun she clarified that as the truck moved towards her she was able to
00:36:53.460walk get out of the way so she never made physical the truck never physically contacted her
00:36:57.140there was an exchange where she was trying to clarify where it was parked and Greenspun said
00:37:02.320my question wasn't whether where it was parked where where was it going to touch you so there
00:37:06.440was a lot of clarification on these questioning a little bit of talking over each other Greenspun
00:37:11.800a lot of objections where Zexy Lee was asked to remove because the Greenspun would object and then
00:37:17.100he would basically refuse to continue unless she was outside so he continued in absinthe of the
00:37:22.220witness without her in the room which is pretty standard in an objection for a legal discussion
00:37:27.020and uh you know that's that's basically where we're at so this she testified that this truck
00:37:32.840had moved back but she kind of left it open-ended with the crown but on deep on defensive cross
00:37:37.340examination she specified that she was able to get out of the way she further specified with
00:37:42.120Magus that this happened after she had gone to this intersection to confront the protesters so
00:37:47.500she said she went there to confront them and the way she confronted them is with her presence
00:37:51.580and at some point this escalated and then uh I guess she said to them to go back to the
00:37:57.020wherever the f they're from and then this person in this truck uh with the jerry cans I presume
00:38:01.920this is the same truck with the jerry cans that she was out collecting evidence that's how what
00:38:05.420initiated this she was out collecting evidence that the injunction of February 7th had been
00:38:09.720broken. Remember that she is the representative plaintiff of the class action, and I believe
00:38:15.640the injunction was brought as well under her behalf. So I believe that's three separate
00:38:19.840legal motions. So the injunction of February 7th, the injunction of February 16th or 17th,
00:38:26.640which because it was a 10-day, Justice McLean made it a 10-day injunction on the 7th. So they had to
00:38:32.160come back 10 days later and do it again. Interesting point to mention about that injunction.
00:38:36.720Something very interesting came out in the questioning with Greenspan on that injunction from Justice McLean.
00:38:42.580But as she was saying with Meg, she went to that intersection where this all this confrontation happened to get evidence at some point after the injunction, not specifically aware of which date that these they were breaking the rules.
00:38:55.180They were honking. They were doing whatever. They were not following the rules.
00:38:57.820So she was out there recording license plates or recording the environment as a whole.
00:39:02.200i'm sorry i don't exactly know what she was doing but she was recording something uh and she was
00:39:06.940confronting them with her presence at the corner as she put it and then at some point again she
00:39:12.000there was an escalation or whatever happened we didn't really hear she she says go the f back to
00:39:17.860wherever they came from an interesting note as a commentary here which i'm rarely do people have a
00:39:22.680right to be in ottawa if you're from alberta or saskatchewan you have a right to come to ottawa
00:39:25.980in protests you don't you don't get to be told to go back to wherever you're from i mean that's
00:39:30.200holy holy in the program which is which is i i don't think it's her proudest moment i don't think
00:39:34.940she's i don't take like i don't think these people are supervillains to be honest but um that's that's
00:39:41.340what she testified but i just want to say that if you're from alberta or wherever you can come to
00:39:45.700ottawa and protest it's all of our capital city like people got to get over that that it's mine0.97
00:39:50.540not yours mentality this is the capital city and it needs to be treated like that smoothie people
00:39:54.940are laughing at the comment yeah that's what she said that's how she explained it and and then it0.52
00:40:00.200escalated to this car backing towards her but this truck backing towards her but not into her
00:40:04.820right and then again she added that she added that uh as an addendum to her her comment about
00:40:12.940uh about the truck backing up so she added that the uh go after yourself then the truck backed
00:40:21.760up into her and magus said basically why are you saying that now why didn't you say that back at
00:40:26.660the oec she said and then zexy replied is actually replied that she didn't feel she had the right to
00:40:32.500add that information and then magus was like you feel like you can now and then zexy was like yes
00:40:37.180so it was a bit of a change of the story just a bit where we get the we get the two stories coming
00:40:42.260together the truck backing towards her and the uh go the f back where you're coming from uh
00:40:47.860stories coming together so that was interesting there there was what you could probably call
00:40:52.120uh some contradictions in the testimony you'd have to closer analysis analyze it to get to that
00:40:57.640honestly that doesn't really anything sticking out at the top of my head right now
00:41:01.580but i did mention the injunction and the injunctions uh the justice mclean injunctions
00:41:07.200say and this is something that's been circulated the defendants and other persons are at liberty
00:41:12.380to continue a peaceful lawful and safe protest given that they comply with the rest of the order
00:41:19.940and the order was one thing stop honking and so stop honking at 9 p.m am i right no i think it's
00:41:27.280the entirety i believe i believe the order was worded along that nobody sound a train or any
00:41:33.140kind of air horn in the municipality of ottawa except for municipal fire vehicles so all time
00:41:38.700except for fire trucks forbidden from honking air horns i don't know about like regular horns but
00:41:44.120definitely air horns and so the injunction was to last for 10 days and this was interesting
00:41:49.220this is important greenspond brought this up he said the injunction the second injunction by
00:41:54.260justice mclean again in ontario superior court said the same exact thing it did not it said
00:41:59.760again just the horns and it said again that justice mclean kept that part in there that term
00:42:04.820i believe they call it the clause the defendants are at liberty to continue a peaceful lawful and
00:42:12.060legal uh safe protest as long as they comply with the terms of the order so greenspan put this to
00:42:17.920to to the witness mrs x lee why did your lawyer not seek to change any of those terms if they
00:42:26.080were having such issues with the state of the affairs because right like imagine this just
00:42:32.740just put yourself in the shoes if you're if you're having so many issues why did you not seek to have
00:42:37.540fireworks put in into the injunction why not seek to have um the megaphones put into the injunction
00:42:44.000or whatever all the things that they're talking about why just the horns and again why would this
00:42:50.040and in the affidavit they agreed like the parties agreed or concentred there was a word used i think
00:42:55.020it was concentred if that's a real word that's i think that's what i heard from they concentred
00:42:59.500The lawyers of hers and herself, as the affidavit witness, centered to that, that the witnesses were at liberty, that the defendants and other persons are at liberty to continue a lawful, peaceful and safe protest that they abide by in terms of the order.
00:43:16.300And so if that was being breached or broken, wouldn't they appeal to have different or more strict conditions put in?
00:43:22.500And Zexy Lee basically, this went back and forth for a long time.
00:43:25.940Zexy Lee basically said, I agree that my lawyers agreed that at the time those would be the conditions and that was to be the understanding of how it was to proceed, that it was not a declaration of how she understood it to be like what was happening in the protest.
00:43:43.700And there was there might have been an objection on that because, again, not about your personal understanding or whatever you think something's going to go somewhere.
00:43:49.740there was a few of those like at times
00:52:25.220The Crown basically like, ah, you know, whatever.
00:52:27.340And the judge was like, I'm going to ask her to, you know, I'm going to tell her that we normally use the word protester or demonstrator.
00:52:33.040So when Ms. Lee was welcomed back to the courtroom, she was instructed that we typically refer to the occupiers as demonstrators or protesters.
00:52:43.240And in absentia of her, when they were making the legal argument about whether or not to allow her to use the word occupier,
00:52:50.100there was a discussion about the legal definition of the word occupation, which we've heard a few times in court,
00:52:54.480which is, of course, the military takeover of an area, the armed forces takeover of an area,
00:52:59.120and the usurpation of power, so all the power structure given to the occupying army or force
00:53:05.160or invasion. That's the international legal definition of occupation, and that's very
00:53:09.180important. We've heard it a couple times to some of these other witnesses that they've been
00:53:13.080cross-examined with that definition put to them. And the judge said, well, maybe she doesn't know
00:53:17.620the legal definition. Maybe that's something that could be introduced to her. We never got that far.1.00
00:53:22.020The judge just basically said, we use the word demonstrator and protester. And there was a
00:53:26.820couple times after that where she used the word occupier um and sometimes she would uh mix she'd
00:53:32.160be protester demonstrator occupier you know mishmash them together um the second witness of
00:53:38.340the guest of today was mr paul jorgensen and uh he used the word occupier more than anyone else
00:53:44.760anyone else anyway occupation occupier and i believe again he was he was he was instructed
00:53:50.040that we typically use the word demonstrator or protester that's just the court's friendly advice
00:55:16.040But I've heard it multiple times in my comment section that this may be another individual that that everyone might be quite familiar with.
00:55:23.720But I'm not going to I'm not going to go any further than that.
00:55:25.420So maybe, maybe not with no prejudice.
00:55:28.660And again, obviously, it's actually back to the lawsuit that the representative plaintiff.
00:55:35.040So she's participating. We haven't gotten to that part with Mr. Jorgensen yet.
00:55:39.400So I'm not sure if he's a witness, if he's participating so far.
00:55:42.480but of the um so of the six witnesses we've heard of so far four of them are participating in the
00:55:49.940lawsuit so that's interesting to note we're on witness seven right now so we'll see how that
00:55:54.000goes so um more than half so far are participating in that class action lawsuit for over 300 million
00:56:00.080dollars or two why are they not all participating do they want a piece of change well for natalie
00:56:06.060honneau she's an oc transpo employee so that wouldn't really make sense and for mr mr stefan
00:56:11.120Belfoy, who was the one whose son had to walk
00:56:13.100the kilometer and a half of the skates, I think
00:56:15.160it would be a little bit... I'm not sure.
00:56:41.120So, again, yes, I did mention that the civil, back to Sexy Lee real quick, we did have two of the civil lawyers for the case in the courtroom today.
00:56:50.380I mentioned it was reported that Paul Champ was there and another lawyer I'm not familiar with.
00:56:56.700After the lunch break, Greenspun started off immediately by saying, by asking Ms. Sexy Lee, did you speak to your lawyer?
00:57:04.000and there was an extended back and forth
00:59:52.900That ended up going to the side eventually,
00:59:55.560but it was an interesting back and forth.
00:59:57.220So getting back to Paul Jorgensen again, he testified again, using the word occupier and occupation, I believe, more than any other witness we've heard from so far, more than the previous six witnesses of these civilians, using that word constantly, that he fled.
01:00:13.160He said that his food security was threatened because his local grocery store was closed and that he couldn't get Uber Eats.
01:00:20.520They told him on the app, got a message that can't be delivered.
01:00:23.700He couldn't leave his parking because it was physically blocked by a door.
01:00:28.920Now, I want to be careful when I talk about with Mr. Jorgensen
01:00:31.040because Mr. Jorgensen is still on the stand right now.
01:00:33.660His evidence is not finished, but I just wanted to bring up
01:00:36.520that he's using the word occupation and occupier a lot.
01:00:39.020I don't really want to elaborate any further on that
01:00:41.040as the cross-examination hasn't happened yet.
01:00:42.800Now, I'm not in a position where I have to not talk about it,
01:00:47.440but I just feel like that would be a conversation for when he is finished.
01:00:51.460So he's using the word fled and occupation and occupier a lot,
01:00:55.980talking about how he had challenging food security.
01:00:59.460He did testify, however, that when he returned, he left Ottawa until February 9th.
01:01:04.180He said that when he got back, he said, and I quote,
01:01:07.140a hundred times better, the honking was a hundred times better.
01:01:10.120He doesn't know what happened between the time he left on the Monday
01:01:13.340after the first weekend and February 9th when he came back,
01:01:15.680but it was a hundred times better in regards to the honking.
01:01:17.680there were still uh i think he called them outbursts of honks but they were palatable
01:01:22.360that he could get through them that he could they he put it this way that they get it out of their
01:01:26.580system for the seconds or minutes not hours and then after that he can continue on with his work
01:01:31.660or whatever has that's that's that has the expression yes has the expression phantom honking
01:01:38.440come up at all yet zexy lee testified that she felt like there was honking all the time because
01:01:43.800She testified originally that the conking never stopped, but then she testified that as of February 7th, it revved down, it stopped, there was a brief, there was a pause, and then it picked up again by, you know, two or three days later, and then it became frequent, but not constant.
01:03:58.720So there has been some speculation from other independent media talking about this particular petition being outside of the purview of the Conservative Party of Canada, meaning that she did this on her own without permission.
01:04:12.320But also, if that is the case, and obviously they've become aware of this with 29,000 signatures, Polyev has probably.
01:04:28.720so and you're 100 sure that she's the author of this is is it could it be i just put this to you
01:04:35.600as a as a as a cautionary could it be that somebody uh a citizen of canada put this forward
01:04:42.000and named her as the representative or the addressed mp is that a possibility or is she 100
01:04:46.440the author i am pretty sure although i can't say 100 i will investigate that that she is the author
01:04:57.180of this but she's definitely the named mp i've seen that um uh whether she agrees to sponsor this
01:05:03.380on the house i don't know if that's a requirement that that it has to have a sponsor to be brought
01:05:07.560forward and they're are they just hoping for her or she is she actually uh 100 involved would be
01:05:14.320my question and the second question oh she's definitely said plenty of good things about
01:05:20.280these things she's she's made her position kind of clear at times and at times a little bit of
01:05:24.520I was just, you know, a little bit less clear, but definitely saying good things about these things taking away our national sovereignty, which they are.
01:08:08.720Agenda 2030 and its operational sustainable development goals, comprehensive sexuality education, UN judicial review, international health regulations, One Health and similar programs are being rapidly implemented, absent the awareness and consent of the people or their elected representatives.
01:08:30.040not all but some. I would suggest there are some elected representatives that know about this
01:08:35.540and want it to happen. There are some that don't know, and there are some that do know,
01:08:41.280are against it, but aren't allowed to say anything for whatever reason. I guess it depends on which
01:08:48.060party they represent. SDGs have negative impacts on potentially every aspect of life, including
01:08:54.920religious and cultural values, familial relations, education, nutrition, child development, property
01:09:01.060rights, economic and agricultural productivity, transportation, travel, health, informed consent,
01:09:06.280privacy, and physical autonomy. Under the CSE, publicly funded educational institutions are
01:09:11.980damaging children while concealing information from parents. Normalization of sexual values
01:09:18.900and activities with regard to children are endorsed and enforced beginning at birth.
01:09:24.920Agenda 2030 and secretly negotiated amendments to the IHR could likely impose unacceptable intrusive universal surveillance, violating the rights and freedoms guaranteed in the Canadian Bill of Rights and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
01:09:39.240And those sweeping impacts on public and private life serve the interests of the UN and the WHO and unelected private entities, World Economic Forum, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, International Planned Parenthood Federation, while diminishing the health rights and freedoms of Canadians.
01:09:55.580We, the undersigned citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the House of Commons in Parliament assembled to urgently implement Canada's expeditious withdrawal from the UN and all of its subsidiary organizations, including the World Health Organization.
01:10:14.760This is kind of fun. I feel like it's the Jerry Lewis telethon.
01:10:19.020Every time we refresh, we've got a new number.
01:10:25.580come on refresh all right so it's 29 711 signatures that's a thousand more than when
01:10:34.480this show first hit the air one hour ago guys i still have some more stuff i want to cover with
01:10:40.120you i didn't think that smoothie and i were going to go so long tonight so i managed to
01:10:44.400cobble together other things i thought were of interest so i am going to stay late tonight with
01:10:51.700you. Mark Friesen, the Grizzly Patriot, hopefully, will join the show tomorrow night so we can talk
01:10:57.960more about this petition. This is right from the World Economic Forum website, weforum.org.
01:11:08.960How can we build trustworthy media ecosystems in the age of AI and declining trust? So for the
01:11:15.900first part of this story they go through the lesson lessening lessening trust that people have
01:11:23.180not just in canada not just in one specific country not in one specific age group or gender
01:11:29.320they talk about a complete and total collapse of trust in the left-wing corporate media or as they
01:11:36.620call it here the mainstream media and how can we get the trust back they're giving us all kinds of
01:11:42.200markers statistics that people no longer trust the media look at that look at all the trust
01:11:49.180in 2015 this line goes from 60 to 43 38 to 30 32 oh which one is that
01:11:57.960i would imagine all the different lines or the different regions of the world are different
01:12:04.020countries. So they offer a way to rebuild trust in the media ecosystem. And I thought you might
01:12:14.640find this entertaining. It will require taking collective action across a broad range of
01:12:20.840levers. Number one, reducing exposure to harmful content online, in particular,
01:12:26.840they're missing disinformation collective action is needed to advance safety online tackling the
01:12:33.980abuse of user-generated comments huh how are they going to do that i wonder
01:12:38.460identifying malicious actors spreading disinformation demonetizing fake news and
01:12:46.240dissent advising the creation of echo chambers for extremist perspectives
01:12:56.840This requires the adoption of advanced technology solutions and the development of national policies.
01:13:04.920The World Economic Forum's Global Coalition for Digital Safety is a public-private platform aimed at innovating and collaborating to tackle harmful content and conduct online.
01:13:20.200Our community of users increasingly search for news content on TikTok.
01:13:24.340We want users to be able to find and discover journalists and news organizations they trust.
01:13:29.260And we want that experience to be authentic and informative.
01:13:32.240That from Theo Bertram, who's the VP of Government Relations and Public Policy for Europe at TikTok.
01:13:38.360This requires a determined approach to identifying and removing misinformation and disinformation.
01:13:44.560Working collaboratively with external reports in NGOs, academia, government and industry through partnerships such as the Coalition for Digital Safety,
01:13:52.860which is nothing more than an organization for censorship.
01:19:09.720But we should keep our eye on them just to see what they're going to try next.1.00
01:19:17.640From True North, TNC.news, conservatives demand parliamentary review of CBC's Israel coverage.
01:19:24.660Yes, we should be trusting the CBC, shouldn't we?
01:19:27.900They are Canada's broadcasting corporation, the People's Network, baby.1.00
01:19:32.720they wouldn't lie to us except for when it comes to calling hamas terrorists oh no no we can't have
01:19:41.440that the conservative party announced that they'll demand that cbc news's coverage of hamas attacks
01:19:48.800on israel be reviewed at committee in the house of commons the request comes as an internal email
01:19:54.100from the broadcaster instructed employees not to use the word terrorist when reporting on the
01:20:00.220israel hamas war conservative mp for lethbridge and shadow minister for canadian heritage rachel
01:20:06.580thomas i love her by the way she's awesome posted on x that she plans to call for a review for of
01:20:14.860the taxpayer funded broadcaster in response to their coverage of the hamas attack on israel which
01:20:19.920began on october 7th cbc must answer for downplaying hamas's violence including against
01:20:26.480israeli babies well you see that in itself is possible misinformation we don't know that for
01:20:32.760sure and spreading intentional disinformation canadians especially the jewish community
01:20:39.140demand answers on tuesday conservatives will call for this matter to be studied at committee
01:20:43.560wrote thomas all right so the ndp had their big convention in hamilton over the weekend
01:20:50.640And speaking of the CBC, here is their one minute, 51 second report.
01:20:57.720Jagmeet Singh galvanized by an 81% approval rating at the NDP's convention in Hamilton.
01:21:03.840More than 1,000 party faithful also voted unanimously to call on the NDP to pull its support for the Liberal government if a universal publicly funded pharmacare plan is not brought in.
01:21:16.820Delicate James Brunet brought forward that resolution.
01:21:19.220If we threaten an election over an issue, it only works if that threat is credible.
01:21:23.640So we have to be ready for an election.
01:24:01.840this story comes from the national telegraph he's been removed by the cbc for calling out
01:24:09.100hamas terrorism so he went against the rules and said no no no these people are terrorists
01:24:18.180in a saint wyatt claypool wrote this in a sane world if the cbc was going to remove someone for
01:24:25.580poor behavior it would be the cbc's director of standards and practices george aki who told
01:24:31.780CBC journalists to not refer to Hamas terrorists using the word terrorist. Aki also said not to
01:24:39.240mention that Israel has not controlled the Gaza Strip since 2005, a complete obscuring of an
01:24:45.740important fact to understand the cold-blooded brutality of the Hamas terrorists invading0.57
01:24:51.700southern Israel to rape, murder, and kidnap Jewish civilians. But sadly, this is not a sane world.0.98
01:24:58.160And before I continue on with this story, I want you to understand that one of the reasons I haven't been covering this so much is simply because I'm not in a position to understand it or make any observations.
01:25:13.000the history of violence between these peoples is long and it goes much further back than
01:25:24.000the formation of the state of israel in 1947 it goes much further back obviously before the time
01:25:33.100of jesus even so um i will be attempting to bring on people who are more expert in this
01:25:40.820as we move forward and i don't want you to take my reading this particular article