The Shadoe Davis Show - Shadoe at Nite Special w⧸Brian Peckford Thurs. March 10th⧸2022

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to shadow at night this is thursday march the 10th 2022 and i know what

00:00:06.160 you're thinking right now you're probably thinking shadow for two nights in a row you're wearing a tie

00:00:11.980 you don't wear ties you've never worn ties before well last night i wore the tie as a joke

00:00:17.140 because mike voyjackis from voyage funeral homes how come you don't wear a tie you wear a tie stop

00:00:22.620 swearing on your show and i said you know what mike you've got two very valid points there

00:00:26.520 Now, I wore the tie as a joke last night to have a laugh with Mike, but tonight I wear the tie because when you've got a living legend, a Canadian living legend coming on your show, you want to give the appearance of respect.

00:00:45.940 And it's not just an appearance of respect with this guy. I mean, this guy is the last surviving signatory of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is enshrined in our Constitution in 1982. He is Mr. Brian Peckford, the former premier of Newfoundland from 1979 to 1989. Thank you, Mr. Peckford. Thank you for coming on the show tonight. We really appreciate it.

00:01:13.620 thank you for having me shadow and um thanks for the time as you can see i'm not wearing one however

00:01:21.680 i did dress up from where i was earlier today when we were on our test run as you know that's

00:01:27.040 right yeah i have put on a shirt yeah and i have put on a vest so i'm almost equal to you well you

00:01:34.620 know you you look great i mean i from our test run earlier this afternoon you must have thought oh

00:01:39.100 this guy is he serious i mean because i i didn't look very good at that point um but i was having

00:01:44.760 a little bit of a problem with the system guys for for you that don't know when you're just

00:01:48.740 kind of watching right now there's certain different platforms and systems that we use

00:01:52.900 to broadcast and we were having a little bit of an issue with it but it everything has worked out

00:01:57.340 fine i am so incredibly happy that brian has chosen to join us tonight uh and and you were

00:02:03.540 just talking off the air brian about something that you found just in the last little while like

00:02:10.080 what i mean by that is the last half hour yes may be the only uh existing document of its kind

00:02:17.540 if this is the patriation agreement which led to the constitution act the next year this is

00:02:23.860 the foundational document okay i had lost it and people over the last several months were

00:02:29.940 emailing me and on programs like yours saying, where is that original document that you guys

00:02:35.820 signed that you keep talking about? And I said, well, I don't know where it is now. We signed it

00:02:41.980 and I thought I had a copy of it kept. And I know I did when I researched my book in 2012,

00:02:48.560 but it's misplaced or whatever. And one friend of mine has become a friend of mine through this

00:02:55.900 whole process contacted me about a week ago and said have you found it yet

00:03:00.860 where was it and this afternoon was in a special file in a special drawer of my desk

00:03:08.640 which and it was at the bottom oh and i went through it a few weeks ago and i missed the

00:03:16.700 last document which is the document which has on it all the signatures of the people who signed

00:03:25.680 the patriation this is the final document that led to the charter rights and freedoms and the

00:03:31.760 constitution act of 1982 here are all the signatures here at the top you can see on this

00:03:36.560 page is richard hatfield who then was premier of nova scotia then it's the sterling line of manitoba

00:03:44.720 who was premier of your province at that time william bennett of british columbia angus mclean

00:03:52.880 Premier of Prince Edward Island, Alan Blakeney, Premier of Saskatchewan, Peter Loughey, Premier of Alberta, and yours truly, Premier of Newfoundland.

00:04:05.120 And then to go to the first page, to complete it, was Pierre Elliott Trudeau, Prime Minister

00:04:16.360 candidate, William Davis, Premier of Ontario, and John Buchanan, Premier of Nova Scotia.

00:04:24.720 Now, those were the 10.

00:04:26.400 There's only one left out there, and that's Quebec, because they refused to sign.

00:04:30.780 Yeah.

00:04:31.000 I was going to ask, where's Renny Levesque on there?

00:04:32.820 Yeah.

00:04:33.380 he's not there nor his cigarette right i you know i we were just talking off the air this is classic

00:04:40.680 i mean how long did you guys take to negotiate the 17 months so and so were you all in the same

00:04:49.000 room at the same time constantly yeah most times we were and when the first ministers weren't there

00:04:55.940 we had charged our ministers either into government affairs ministers or justice ministers to take

00:05:01.320 certain pieces of what we were trying to put together and negotiate them out then come back

00:05:05.840 to us and then we'd all meet as first ministers so yeah no we we were at this for 17 months off

00:05:12.140 and on until that final breakthrough in november uh which this document refers to that was no

00:05:20.020 the date is on it november the 5th is on it and you're the first one and your audience to see this

00:05:26.580 since it was presented at a press conference in Ottawa in September 2012

00:05:33.880 after I published my book.

00:05:36.160 But at that time, the narrative was that I had nothing to do with this.

00:05:42.100 Newfoundland had nothing to do with it.

00:05:43.740 And I produced all the documents and everybody went silent.

00:05:48.620 And so this has remained silent until now.

00:05:52.240 it becomes very important because the charter is becoming so important because the governments of

00:05:58.660 canada have saw fit to abuse the charter of rights and freedoms and violate it all over the place

00:06:04.180 with these mandates for the so-called pandemic and now everybody is interested in the charter

00:06:10.200 rights and freedoms and the constitution act you know before we get into they're trying to find

00:06:14.640 this so i'm going to be putting this on my blog i hope so later tonight and then every meeting i

00:06:20.500 have from here on with people like yourself either in public or on zoom i'm going to be putting this

00:06:26.800 up because there are a lot of people who are still suspicious does he really have that that

00:06:32.100 foundational document because it became a legislation the next year right it was called

00:06:37.160 in the first instance this one that was the patriation agreement yeah it got translated

00:06:42.900 it into an act the next year which became the constitution act of 1982 which had in it the

00:06:50.260 charter plus the patriation formula right how are we going to mend it in the future uh now when you

00:06:57.400 say patriation brian are we talking about taking the document taking the rights of our country out

00:07:03.180 of the hands of the queen that's what that is exactly okay so that's right in the constitution

00:07:09.940 act it's right there written in the constitution act we don't have to go back to england anymore

00:07:14.880 we're now a completely completely sovereign nation okay and there are even people around

00:07:22.120 who haven't even read the constitution and therefore try to allege online and stuff like

00:07:27.540 that this is not a legitimate document right when she signed it in public the next year in april she

00:07:33.900 came over from england to sign it off with the prime minister and everybody else and i was there

00:07:38.140 and thousands of people were there so i don't know where people get these conspiracy theories but

00:07:43.320 you know this constitution act is legal uh this charter is legal and it is the law of the land

00:07:50.640 supreme law of the land is it not the supreme law of the land well this is one thing i've

00:07:56.320 just looking up one of the court cases out of manitoba on the charter the judge makes no

00:08:01.320 reference to the fact that what he's got to decide upon is the supreme law of the land section 52

00:08:09.480 of the constitution act says the constitution of this country here is the supreme law of canada

00:08:17.580 and the charter of rights and freedoms is enshrined in the constitution i want to talk

00:08:24.420 about all of these breaches uh of of the charter as we go forward in in the show tonight brian but

00:08:30.840 First, I want to ask you, what was it like with all of those strong personalities in the same room?

00:08:38.120 I mean, you had Sterling Lyon, you had Rennie Levesque, you had Pierre Elliott Trudeau, you had Peter Lougheed, all of these guys.

00:08:44.700 And you were a young man at that time.

00:08:46.800 I think you were 38 or 39 years old, probably the youngest guy in the room.

00:08:51.020 All of these guys had been around for quite some time.

00:08:53.600 Were you intimidated by any of them?

00:08:56.460 Did any of them stand out as problems or leaders or deal makers?

00:09:03.480 What was it like?

00:09:04.960 Well, I'll tell you, I wasn't intimidated.

00:09:07.720 By that time, of course, I was only in power then three years.

00:09:12.300 I became premier in March 79, and this is November, right?

00:09:17.920 So I didn't have much time, and that was 70 months before that.

00:09:20.440 So, yeah, you're right.

00:09:21.120 I was only 37, 38 years old when we were negotiating this, okay?

00:09:26.460 But, no, I know I wasn't intimidated, but I was impressed with a number of them, including Sterling Lyon, the premier of Manitoba, who doesn't get enough credit, by the way, in all of this.

00:09:42.240 He was a very strong stalwart, who warned us, however, he was the only one, and I've said this on a number of interviews, and now you're based out of Manitoba, right?

00:09:53.360 Yep, yep, Winnipeg.

00:09:54.460 Okay, so you've got a fairly big Manitoba audience.

00:09:57.100 So I want to tell your Manitoba audience, you should be very proud of that premier, okay?

00:10:03.780 Because he had his reservations about doing this.

00:10:08.740 He was a lawyer.

00:10:09.540 He later served on the Supreme Court of Manitoba.

00:10:12.980 I think he was even in the highest court of Manitoba, your court of appeals.

00:10:16.920 A very, very bright, smart man.

00:10:20.340 and he was the only one of the 10 of us in those rooms over the year over the months

00:10:29.040 who actually said that something like what is now happening will happen he was the only one

00:10:36.680 he was skeptical that this would hold even though it was in the constitution

00:10:41.900 but he signed on and his attorney general at the time by the way it was a guy by the name of

00:10:48.160 Gerard Mercier.

00:10:49.820 I don't know if Mercier is still alive or not.

00:10:52.280 I know Mr. Lyon has passed away.

00:10:55.000 And that's one of the unfortunate parts about it for me right now, Shadow, is the fact that

00:10:59.160 I'm the only living first minister, and there's very few even ministers left who are at those

00:11:05.720 conferences.

00:11:07.220 But Manitobans should be very proud of Sterling Lyon and his legacy.

00:11:13.560 What was he skeptical of, Brian?

00:11:15.420 He was skeptical that the Charter would not hold that there would come a time when governments would even try to usurp the Constitution, even though all of us, because we were in awe of the Constitution then.

00:11:28.600 Because remember, we had a Bill of Rights with John Diefenbaker in 1960, but it was only a federal act and only applied to federal jurisdiction.

00:11:36.460 Therefore, it never applied to all of Canadians, right?

00:11:39.080 It only applied to those Canadians that were in federal jurisdiction.

00:11:41.820 So that was the only attempt since 1867, by the way, to write our individual rights and freedoms into law, into some kind of law.

00:11:51.860 But it was just a federal act.

00:11:53.560 So when we were putting it in the Constitution in 81, 82, Canadians had to understand.

00:11:59.160 We were really thought, and it's true today because all constitutions are very sacred documents, not like a law of the province, not like a law of the federal government, not like a municipal law.

00:12:10.000 they are really sacred laws the americans can tell you all about it right when they talk about

00:12:14.760 their bill of rights they're almost on their knees yes they talk about that first amendment

00:12:18.860 i mean they're you know when they talk about the right to bear arms i mean these guys are like

00:12:23.860 they're ready to die for that that first amendment okay they understand because they went through a

00:12:29.140 revolution and all the rest of it which we didn't go through and they had a bill of rights only 15

00:12:33.620 years after they became a country we didn't have one a written one until 114 years after we became

00:12:39.820 the country so it's a big difference in our history but yeah no uh sterling lion peter law

00:12:45.860 he very strong personality but he would listen alan blakeney a lawyer presbyterian very strict

00:12:53.820 in his interpretations of things um uh always had you know something to say and always had a

00:13:00.500 valuable interjection bill bennett was a was more of a generalist than a lawyer even though i think

00:13:06.580 He had a law degree, but he was more a generalist, more like me, looking at looking at it in a more broader sense.

00:13:12.740 He was a good guy. Bill Bennett was a good guy. And so was his he had a constitutional advisor called Mel Smith.

00:13:19.640 Mel Smith is now passed away. First class guy, one of the great constitutional experts of Canada of that day.

00:13:25.960 OK, then you go then you go east. Bill Davis went with Trudeau. What can I say?

00:13:31.140 you know i'm very big disappointed right in ontario the biggest province you know not seeing

00:13:36.620 that this was all wrong that he couldn't bring this off right bill david didn't see that ontario

00:13:41.820 didn't see that richard hatfield went with the with trudeau too i don't know understand richard

00:13:47.720 was a bit of an eccentric very bright fellow extremely bright but very eccentric a very very

00:13:54.000 odd behavior what do you mean odd odd behavior what what kinds of odd behavior well he disappeared

00:14:00.280 sometimes he'd disappear and the brunswickers wondered where he was one time he was he was

00:14:04.700 down in africa and he had told nobody was going there he'd be late for most meetings he'd come in 0.77

00:14:10.820 and have 10 newspapers under his arms and we used to say to him are you going to listen to us are

00:14:15.340 you going to read the papers you know he's a strange character but extremely bright but very

00:14:21.440 different uh john buchanan of the nova scotia a lawyer but also more of a general guy a hail

00:14:27.980 hardy well met sort of person but i left this other guy to last going east and that's agnes

00:14:34.520 mcclain of pei and rennie levesque yeah there are two completely opposite personalities agnes

00:14:40.320 mcclain by the way was a veteran affairs minister in diefenbaker's government he was a veteran

00:14:47.100 okay and that became a minister went back home went back to his blueberry farm

00:14:52.560 and around the early 1980s, the conservatives of PEI call him back into action

00:14:58.000 because they thought he could win, and he did, and he became premier of PEI,

00:15:02.740 and he was one of these guys that you and I know all the pieces who say very little,

00:15:09.000 but when they speak, you better listen because they're going to say something really important,

00:15:13.640 and it's going to be a nub of wisdom.

00:15:16.860 I love this guy, Agnes McLean.

00:15:18.740 He was one of my favorite premiers of all time, just a gem of a man, decent, honest, straightforward, you know, all those words, ethical to the nth degree, just a first class man.

00:15:31.000 And he was very helpful throughout this process because he was sort of the wise elder man of the group.

00:15:39.760 And so we all listened when Agnes McLean had something to say.

00:15:42.780 And then lastly, with the last two, we'll deal with Trudeau on time.

00:15:48.740 René Levesque. I want to tell you that everybody at the table liked René Levesque, except Trudeau.

00:15:58.000 Because of his separatist ideals?

00:16:00.520 No, because of everything else. We loved him because of everything else. This man had a real personality. This guy was as bright as Bidam. This guy was as knowledgeable as Bidam. He had served overseas as a correspondent, earlier foreign correspondent, with various news organizations.

00:16:17.460 and he knew the world upside down inside out crossways okay this guy and he could tell stories

00:16:23.700 okay he could tell so trudeau couldn't tell a story to save his soul right but mary levesque

00:16:30.400 sitting next to him because that's where he sat how you came in the confederation right upper

00:16:35.500 canada lower canada right upper canada was quebec so they were on each side of the prime minister

00:16:42.540 in all of our meetings and if you remember some of those first ministers meetings you'll start to

00:16:48.840 recollect who was on each side of the prime minister it was upper canada and lower canada

00:16:53.640 and then who was next nova scotia brunswick because canada began with only four provinces

00:16:59.200 right those four okay i was down at the end you're the last i was last 1949 but get back

00:17:07.340 the levec again because your your audience will be interested in this this guy even though we

00:17:12.060 disagreed with him vehemently on his view of canada everything else about the man you had to

00:17:19.380 like okay he and i spent a lot of time with him uh over the years trying to renegotiate the

00:17:25.660 churchill falls deal and all that kind of stuff but he was and he was a decent man in the sense

00:17:30.960 you could count on his work okay he was one of those guys you could count on his work he didn't

00:17:36.220 have to write it down you could count on his work he was decent and everybody enjoyed him and when

00:17:41.200 we had our premiers conferences where we go every year to another province rennie would always turn

00:17:46.920 up and he'd always um what shall i say fascinate the population because he'd go to local restaurants

00:17:53.640 and he'd walk in and he's only like you know he's only up to my chest right i mean like he's only a

00:17:59.300 little short man with a great big head so when he came in the room even if he didn't know

00:18:03.720 even if you didn't know his name right you know there's a strange guy coming in coming in the

00:18:11.920 restaurant and then it'd be wouldn't be very long before everybody recognized and he'd go along and

00:18:17.920 shake hands with everybody know everybody in the restaurant go into the kitchen what are we cooking

00:18:22.880 tonight what are we going to have to eat tonight this guy so every before he left that's that

00:18:28.380 capital three days later everybody in the capital who came in contact with him liked

00:18:33.800 Rennie Levesque you could not like this man okay but he had very strong views but I always say

00:18:41.920 Rennie Levesque was more in too influenced by his very strong bureaucrats deputy ministers

00:18:50.900 okay jack parazole who later became premier right was a very strong separatist and there was another

00:18:58.580 guy claude morin who was in his delegation very intellectual highly bright very well educated

00:19:07.140 all of that stuff but very strong separatists and they had a big influence upon rennie

00:19:12.380 i've always said that you know if rennie was there by himself

00:19:16.420 you might have got them we might have got them you might have got exactly what about and brian

00:19:24.380 i just have to say i am so absolutely thrilled that you're on the show tonight and telling

00:19:31.080 these stories i mean this is this is a canadian history lesson for all of you guys who are

00:19:35.360 watching right now this is i mean we talk about the charter of rights and freedoms and i i know

00:19:40.960 a lot of us have only become familiar with this document in the last couple of years since all

00:19:45.820 of this craziness has happened but right now we're talking to uh the last surviving signatory

00:19:52.460 he showed us the the document tonight when he first came on the show uh who was there while

00:19:58.820 they were writing it while they were negotiating it and when they finally signed it and telling

00:20:03.780 stories about each one of the personalities in the room i and in such a colorful way so thank

00:20:09.120 you brian uh once again oh yeah you're you're kindly welcome and by the way uh of all the

00:20:15.760 all the interviews i've done in the last year and a half okay there might be only one or two where

00:20:21.320 i actually got into what i just got into so this interview that you're doing now you and me are

00:20:26.820 doing right now i hope you keep it oh yes i because i want to tell you one of these days

00:20:33.640 some people are going to go back and look at this one because i've been describing some of these

00:20:38.540 personalities and i don't think i've done it before in any previous interview in the way i've

00:20:43.680 done it here with you tonight so this is we're we're covering good precious ground here we are

00:20:49.360 hanging on to this one for sure uh tell us about the prime minister tell us about pierre elliott

00:20:55.540 trudeau what mr trudeau unfortunately um smart man but i think he was overrated by the press

00:21:05.380 everybody called him you know unbelievably bright and you know you know they they exaggerated that

00:21:11.300 there were other people in the room just as bright as as Trudeau and I think he um sort of recognized

00:21:18.320 that with Rennie who was sitting next to him because he would get so jealous of Rennie when

00:21:24.320 Rennie would break away from the formality and tell a story and you watch Trudeau's face

00:21:30.460 i mean it was like it was golden and we all of us would be there laughing to kill ourselves

00:21:38.100 not only at rennie's story but at trudeau's face and how disappointed he was that rennie had the

00:21:44.760 floor to tell these all these stories and make the premiers laugh nobody else made the premiers

00:21:52.020 laugh and of course trudeau couldn't do it because he was too serious so he's a very serious guy

00:21:57.060 and he'd like to be you know the the the chief the chief honcho all the time right the one big

00:22:05.180 perhaps big flaw he had that i observed over a number of years was he was stubborn he was very

00:22:14.220 very stubborn that's why he left the table there was no reason for him to leave the table

00:22:18.860 uh when he did yeah we were tough to deal with because we were talking about changing

00:22:24.440 the constitution of our nation and it was affecting the powers that the premiers and

00:22:30.220 the governments had right it was affecting the bna act we were going to be amending the bna act

00:22:36.200 in certain ways and adding certain things to it well this was important stuff so you know we had

00:22:42.420 our list of things that we wanted to see in this constitution act and he had his list so you know

00:22:48.220 you're going to go through a period of pretty tough negotiations but we never left the table

00:22:53.340 even though he was being stubborn and we weren't getting very far sometimes none of us left the

00:22:59.040 table none of us said this can't be done we just said it was tough but he left the table and

00:23:04.900 that's what led to a lot of acrimony you know because then the press start

00:23:09.900 classifying the eight who didn't go along with them as the gang of eight right you were somehow

00:23:15.600 evil and didn't want the canada and all this kind of stuff and which was all lies right all total

00:23:21.920 an absolute um you know myth you mean to say brian that the media even back then in the early 80s

00:23:29.600 were liars yeah well they were misrepresenting an awful lot of stuff that i was saying as a matter

00:23:35.840 of fact it was many years later that we took up the cudgel when i wrote my book so it was signed

00:23:41.960 in 1982 okay and passed in the legislature in the house of commons and everything else but it was

00:23:48.000 not until 80 and 81 and 82 that my two deputy ministers and i start looking at what all of

00:23:54.520 these books were saying and there was a new newspaper called the national post at the time

00:24:00.640 that had an article from two alberta professors who highlighted what was in all these books

00:24:06.140 and we start reading this and saying this is all wrong so we took up the cudgel and wrote these

00:24:12.020 professors this is all in my book by the way of 2012 people can read this someday the sun will

00:24:18.040 shine and have not will be no more just look up brian peckford on amazon you can't get in hard

00:24:23.580 cover anymore i got my publisher and i'm trying to encourage my publisher to publish some more

00:24:28.460 but you can download it on kindle it's still available on electronically to read so a lot of

00:24:33.880 people who now have internet can still read my book and it's all in there okay so we we took

00:24:39.380 on those professors and they had to back away from what they were saying because they couldn't

00:24:42.720 prove it and we had all the documents and they didn't have any right did you get a sense of

00:24:48.840 arrogance from trudeau back then oh absolutely oh totally oh no question and all the way to

00:24:55.700 remember when 81 82 the all the interest rates went up to 18 and 20 percent he had a special

00:25:01.600 meeting of the premiers to talk about the economy but he didn't want us to talk about the economy

00:25:07.060 at all he just wanted to talk about the economy they matter of fact we brought in some business

00:25:11.260 people on that too and was the first time i think some of the um the uh the uh potato chip people

00:25:18.220 from new brunswick uh the the the you see their ads on tv now advertising french fries uh that

00:25:27.200 mccain's yeah mccain's mccain's the sobeys from nova scotia some big manufacturing companies from

00:25:36.020 ontario pharmaceutical companies from southern quebec and some uh agricultural people from the

00:25:45.680 prairies and there might have been a scattered one from british columbia but in any case they

00:25:50.880 were amazed when they sat down with trudeau to find out firsthand that he knew nothing about the

00:25:57.640 economy he never had a clue about the economy and this was the first time and then he goes and

00:26:04.040 hires John Kenneth Galbraith, one of the big left wingers, then with a university in the United

00:26:10.360 States, and who had written a bunch of books, all very left wing socialist stuff, hired him as his

00:26:15.680 advisors. And that's how we brought in wage and price controls. They were brought in because of

00:26:20.480 John Kenneth Galbraith and other socialists who were advising Trudeau. They left the meeting,

00:26:25.380 I can remember to this day, I can remember to this day, we walked up, and we started to tell

00:26:29.540 mr mccain and the other big industrialists we've been trying to tell you this for years

00:26:35.240 we've been trying to tell you this for years in our own provinces and you guys wouldn't listen

00:26:40.800 to us you know you wouldn't listen to now you saw it firsthand and they went out of the room

00:26:45.060 and they were just blown away with just how little he understood about basic economics you know and

00:26:50.980 how economy has got the got the work and so uh yeah so he was very arrogant all the way to even

00:26:57.200 when he knew very little he wasn't willing to listen and learn and that's why he made the

00:27:03.240 mistake with the war measures act that's why he made the mistake with wage and price controls

00:27:07.260 that's why he borrowed so much and put us in the hole so badly and expanded you know the

00:27:12.720 government's role in the economy like you wouldn't believe you know the beginning of it this sounds

00:27:16.980 all too familiar with another trudeau that we've got uh running around europe right now uh trying

00:27:24.440 to talk about uh democracy and uh i mean here's a man over there talking about democracy and he

00:27:33.600 took away he took it he took it away from us back home yeah yeah i mean a lady a lady a matey lady

00:27:40.320 who was the leader of a legitimate truck convoy incorporated company and all come into come into

00:27:48.760 court with shackles on leg irons yeah unbelievable i saw you who hasn't been found guilty of anything 0.78

00:27:56.820 as of this day you know this is no she hasn't she's been released on bail with ridiculous

00:28:03.260 horrible conditions that she has to live by i'm certainly hoping some of those conditions will

00:28:07.640 be lifted um let me ask you this i saw you give a fantastic talk i'm not sure if it was uh three or

00:28:13.380 four months ago it was all about centralizing power within the prime minister's office and

00:28:17.960 how this has been trending in the past 30 or 40 years it started with it with trudeau yeah it

00:28:24.400 started with papa trudeau when he came to power the the role of prime minister's office was like

00:28:30.040 it should be and parliament and the ministers had power right and the parliamentary committees

00:28:35.400 and so on and the mp had some power when the mp spoke up uh you know people listened to him

00:28:41.240 well with trudeau it started to move away from parliament without changing a law

00:28:46.720 when I was shot being fired

00:28:48.640 it just moved gradually and if you remember

00:28:51.260 the regional ministers right

00:28:52.780 when the regional ministers became very important

00:28:55.020 in your province where exactly Lloyd

00:28:56.980 Axworthy was one of the strong

00:28:58.940 regional ministers right

00:29:00.260 and in Alberta right Don Mazinkowski

00:29:03.240 right remember when he was there right

00:29:05.140 and you had people

00:29:06.500 Ron Basswood or something in British Columbia

00:29:09.000 at one point John Crosby in Newfoundland

00:29:11.160 you had Alan McKechn

00:29:12.380 from Nova Scotia who was the minister of finance

00:29:15.160 with Trudeau, right? You had Lalande and Chrétien and this crowd from Quebec, right?

00:29:21.780 Very powerful ministers, very powerful. And then it moved all the way from the parliament and to the

00:29:27.600 cabinet and the regional ministers to the prime minister's office. So we went from having like

00:29:34.280 40 or 50 people in the prime minister's office and the privy council office, which is the same

00:29:39.780 thing really one is policy the other is politics but same thing all reporting to just one man

00:29:45.640 the prime minister 20 30 40 it's now 1600

00:29:49.300 yeah that's that's on top of 7 000 deputy ministers and assistant deputy ministers

00:29:57.740 which the prime minister appoints himself so are you suggesting that these ministers

00:30:04.480 and this is actually an interesting question and i i think that it probably works the same

00:30:09.220 way provincially as well, the prime minister, especially in the past couple of years, has

00:30:15.020 really consolidated the power in the PMO to the point where it looks like the only other

00:30:20.540 minister, at least in the federal cabinet, that's got any kind of power whatsoever is

00:30:24.560 Chrystia Freeland.

00:30:25.340 The other ones just appear to be puppets of Justin Trudeau, who probably is a puppet to

00:30:31.140 Klaus Schwab and some of the other people in the World Economic Forum.

00:30:35.980 But how has this happened?

00:30:37.340 it happened it happened like i say without a shot being fired without that without a law being

00:30:42.320 changed and here's the book for anybody who really wants to dig into what i just said okay

00:30:47.600 this is all documented in democracy in canada the disintegration of our institutions and why that he

00:30:54.720 means the parliament right and the other institutions of government okay the privy council office the

00:31:00.160 prime minister's office the cabinet right parliamentary committees it's all done here

00:31:04.640 This is only two years old. Okay. It's done by a guy by the name of Donald J. Savoy. He's a scholar out of the University of New Brunswick. Okay. So anybody who's really interested in pursuing what you just touched upon had to read this book because it details it. Okay. And documents it.

00:31:23.460 this is not just an allegation by brian techford former premier of newfoundland still alive and

00:31:29.800 involved on the charter rights now you know kind of stuff this old guy now suddenly resurrecting

00:31:34.640 himself trying to get some more glory for himself and all this foolishness this is all documented

00:31:39.740 this can be proven okay and this guy's been studying this for like decades and this is like

00:31:45.560 his epic his sort of his his big book he's written many books about this but this is sort of his epic

00:31:52.980 And I would recommend anybody interested to read it.

00:31:56.700 But you know what happened, Shadow?

00:31:59.000 We all went to sleep.

00:32:02.080 We all went to sleep for the last 40 years.

00:32:05.080 And we allowed this to happen.

00:32:07.820 How many people across Canada forced their MP to have meetings every three months with their constituents?

00:32:15.600 Or MLAs at the provincial level?

00:32:18.400 How many people said, what have you done for me lately?

00:32:20.980 I'm paying your salary, right?

00:32:22.220 what are you doing to protect me what bills are coming up in the house that we should be aware of

00:32:27.200 and the mps themselves all they did was got more money for their offices hired more staff and did

00:32:33.860 what marketed themselves through the mail we all got dinner in our own mps writings this glowing

00:32:41.180 picture of the prime minister and of the mp announcing another billion dollars here another

00:32:46.840 million dollars there how wonderful they are spending our money most of it being borrowed

00:32:51.900 money by the way yeah and everybody's happy and go back to sleep again at the same time as that

00:32:57.200 was happening to parliament here's the here's the kid here's the kicker same time that was happening

00:33:01.580 for parliament and we were asleep the education system started to go down there was no history in

00:33:07.860 the schools anymore or geography there's something called social studies some fusion of all of this

00:33:13.960 into some mishmash that you were supposed to learn.

00:33:16.980 Nobody knew the capital of any country anymore.

00:33:19.720 Nobody knew the population.

00:33:21.220 Nobody knew the continents,

00:33:22.740 which is just mishmash of the earth.

00:33:24.900 And somehow we were supposed to pick up

00:33:26.820 all this some other way, right?

00:33:28.520 And the teachers got more power

00:33:31.400 and the unions got more power.

00:33:33.180 The parents' power went to nothing.

00:33:35.400 And that's what it's like in Canada today, right?

00:33:37.600 The parents' power is nothing.

00:33:39.000 It's like they don't even have children.

00:33:41.120 These are just people that live in their houses

00:33:43.520 overnight and then go back to school the next day brian is it is it true that the state actually

00:33:50.400 controls the children and will have rights over the parent is that absolutely true

00:33:56.160 it is true now in british columbia for example they don't need the parents uh uh right um

00:34:02.780 permission to get it to get a vaccine if the child wants it or if the teacher says you know

00:34:08.980 i'm going to explain this to you they can go ahead and get and inject them that's true now in british

00:34:14.160 columbia so the parents really don't have any say that and because that happened in manitoba that

00:34:19.840 happened all across the country where the kids all across the country so both our schools and

00:34:24.080 our universities have become hotbeds of progressivism of socialism and you're looking

00:34:30.560 down our nose is that what we have taking away our statues and all that i mean it's culminated

00:34:35.620 in that business of taking down our statues you know now where is the perfect person you show me

00:34:40.780 and i'll show you that they crucified one you know quite a few thousand years ago now uh and uh right

00:34:47.840 and so this business of having to have perfection for everybody else except myself is is a very

00:34:55.420 nasty concept which has infiltrated the minds of all these young people and young students coming

00:35:01.040 out of university. And so there's been a parallel of, you know, a confluence of events over the last

00:35:07.360 four decades that made it very right that when this pandemic came along, the governments could

00:35:12.180 do almost whatever they wanted. Let me ask you this. I've been hearing a lot lately about foreign

00:35:19.040 infiltration within our governments, not just the federal government, but provincial governments as

00:35:23.240 well. You were the premier of Newfoundland for 10 years, 79 to 89. Was there anything like that that

00:35:29.080 you got a whiff of back then i mean i'm talking about china uh the ussr back then uh any other

00:35:36.320 kind of hostile government uh trying to bring in their system their socialist ideals no not not

00:35:44.360 very not at the provincial level especially not the newfoundland however there were corporations

00:35:48.820 uh who were outside you know not canadian corporations multinationals because i was

00:35:55.420 involved in negotiating on the offshore in newfoundland during that time and so we i was

00:35:59.380 dealing with exxon and mobile before they came together and i was dealing with shell and texaco

00:36:04.400 and bp all the big boys right all as they call them in those days the seven sisters there's a

00:36:09.760 book out calling them seven sisters and i was negotiating with them and and their view of the

00:36:15.000 world of course they were trying to push what they wanted to do and so you had to resist that

00:36:19.100 kind of stuff there was some concern early on about on the uranium side and saskatchewan would

00:36:25.820 be familiar with this we had a a deposit in labrador and just after i became premier and a

00:36:32.860 bunch of corporations wanted to develop it at the time the whole business of storage of waste and

00:36:38.860 stuff from nuclear reactors and nuclear mines or uranium mines was not completely clear and even

00:36:45.880 though i was a conservative uh at that time i was concerned about the companies that were behind

00:36:51.160 this project and i was also concerned about the down the downward you know after this mine was

00:36:56.620 finished 10 or 15 years later what we were left with so i turned it down and it was a big surprise

00:37:03.500 to everybody i i the cabinet i went to cabinet and i recommended that we turn it down and my

00:37:09.220 minister of mines at the time recommended we turn it down and we did and it was quite a big surprise

00:37:13.800 so it was beginning and beginning in in the mining industry and it was beginning in the

00:37:19.680 fishing industry it was beginning in the fishing industry a little bit you could see it and so

00:37:25.380 and especially offshore uh offshore eastern european countries and uh and russian trawlers

00:37:32.300 um offshore because just to give you a quick thing and why did somebody says to you or i can

00:37:40.040 hear somebody listening to me now saying what do you know about that peckford i mean what you know

00:37:43.000 Well, the long and short of it was we're the only country in the world, and it's off Newfoundland, not off B.C., where the continental shelf goes out behind 200 miles.

00:37:52.200 So when we did the 200-mile limit, that didn't cover all of our fishery.

00:37:55.640 So the Russians were still able to fish off Newfoundland.

00:37:58.660 The Bulgarians were still able to fish off Newfoundland. 0.88

00:38:01.080 The Spanish and the Portuguese were still able to fish off Newfoundland and take a lot of the fish that were going to swim inshore, take a lot of the spawn fish. 0.98

00:38:07.760 no wonder our fishery got in trouble they were taking the spawning fish before we had it had a 1.00

00:38:12.100 chance to right so you're right so so we knew a lot about foreign trolleys so you could see

00:38:19.260 what was starting to starting to happen even in a small province like newfoundland

00:38:24.380 how frustrating has it been because i know you've been out of politics i guess since 89 you retired

00:38:30.320 and then you've written a couple of books and you've been doing consulting and then so in the

00:38:34.060 past couple of years you did you personally feel compelled to start speaking out again after seeing

00:38:40.200 all of these uh constitutional breaches or were you pushed into it by by somebody else or was it

00:38:46.600 from inside of you right inside me yeah i knew i knew this was wrong i i i i sat and then you know

00:38:55.720 when i saw a couple of things happen both in bc and across the nation uh where uh you know uh there

00:39:02.540 was no parliamentary committee set up to oversee what the government was doing there was no real

00:39:07.300 study of the information that the information was all one-sided that suddenly and then i think what

00:39:14.980 also triggered it and for a lot of canadians like me is over those last couple of years

00:39:20.660 uh the federal government approved that 600 million dollars to the press

00:39:25.440 and so they've been getting this money to 600 million dollars over the last three years

00:39:30.520 right and so they were softened up i mean this pandemic couldn't have came along at a better

00:39:36.680 time for all these governments to exercise all these powers because they had the media on the

00:39:41.260 side right from the start and it's only now i saw the day apparently the global mail oh my god

00:39:47.100 the global mail card story that there might be something wrong with the uh with the vaccine

00:39:52.980 there might be i mean and they were and by the way none of them once this broke and i came out

00:39:58.740 carried my stuff national post used to carry my letters former premium of newfoundland making a

00:40:05.540 comment on something they call me and say we got your letter it's too long or it's too this can we

00:40:10.500 do this can we do that but we'll publish it for you it was a letter to the editor just another

00:40:15.080 citizen of canada exercising their right to express their opinion and they were soliciting

00:40:19.620 people to write into them and then the times columnist in victoria bc where i live on vancouver

00:40:25.960 island i was writing then suddenly i got shut out nobody called nobody would cover my letters so i

00:40:33.300 knew then oh oh oh there's something the matter why do i want to carry my letters now when they

00:40:39.240 did before when the topic just happens to be a bit different it's because they were suddenly uh

00:40:44.460 you know on the government side because they had gotten a lot of money from the government

00:40:48.340 yeah well you know i i spent 37 years in media and i've seen some things i've told some stories

00:40:54.180 on this show over the past year and a half that people just can't even believe and that's like

00:40:57.920 basically small stuff i'm not talking about coast to coast i'm not talking about national stuff i'm

00:41:04.080 talking about local things that happened in winnipeg or calgary when i worked there ottawa

00:41:07.860 london ontario and uh it was all over money ryan it was all over a sponsor threatening to pull his

00:41:15.320 or her advertising if we ran that certain story because it upset them or it made them look bad

00:41:20.500 in some way um but this is a whole different matter with 600 million dollars in federal

00:41:26.260 funding coming from uh justin trudeau to bolster these failing uh companies they know and it's

00:41:34.960 amazing to me that people can't see well did you watch the news last night i said what do you mean

00:41:38.460 the news like you're talking about tv news no i haven't watched local tv news in in in five years

00:41:43.860 because i know what they're what they're going to say they're going to you know treat trudeau like

00:41:48.580 he's the next coming they're going to try and paint the conservatives as though they're the

00:41:52.600 villains and everything they say is wrong they're not going to question trudeau on anything he'd

00:41:57.240 but it's gotten so much worse these past two years with that narrative that becomes almost

00:42:02.620 impossible to break and how how much do you think that has influenced the population i think has

00:42:08.980 influenced them a lot same way with the lawyers right after the pandemic broke suddenly just about

00:42:14.200 every law firm in the smaller provinces had a retainer deal with some of the governments yeah

00:42:21.080 there are people calling me even as late as a couple of days ago they can't find a lawyer why

00:42:26.880 because all of the law firms are in a conflict of interest situation either with the municipality

00:42:32.880 with the province or with the federal government because they're on retainer and that those

00:42:38.260 retainers increased during the pandemic so that stopped anybody from being able to get a lawyer

00:42:43.720 to fight the government. So this is really insidious. This is an area that nobody has 0.64

00:42:48.640 talked about, which is how many of these lawyers have remained silent, primarily because their big

00:42:54.580 firms have got deals with the federal or provincial government. Yeah, you know, that's something I

00:43:00.100 brought up a few months back, and I was unable to find proof of it because, I mean, it's a private

00:43:05.740 deal between a municipality or a province. Exactly. Right. So how can you actually go ahead and prove

00:43:11.440 that you can only you know launch an allegation unless of course you have somehow managed to find

00:43:16.280 a way to hack into emails let's talk about the charter brian i noticed that uh on the jordan

00:43:22.100 peterson interview by the way which has got over a million views congratulations on that thank you

00:43:26.920 what's he like by the way is he a nice dude uh jordan i called him because we could not trust

00:43:35.040 any of the press to carry the day that i launched my lawsuit so we were looking around the lawyers

00:43:42.220 and i trying to say well what can we do here besides just issue a press release you know can

00:43:47.960 we get somebody to sort of foreshadow this and give it a little bit of uh give it a bit of ump

00:43:54.400 you know in its release and i suggested jordan peterson because i knew by then that some of his

00:44:02.820 i knew people who knew some of his people and knew him and that he he was being uh what shall i say

00:44:10.500 people have been saying why haven't you had brian peckford on your show or are you going to have

00:44:14.700 brian peckford on your show and he said yes you know he knew that he wanted he was on just started

00:44:20.060 the world tour with his speeches so i i got his phone number from somebody and i called him and

00:44:27.820 he answered the phone. Wow. And I told him who I was and what I was about. He was in a restaurant

00:44:34.500 in Washington, D.C., and he could just barely hear me and went out on the deck of that restaurant to

00:44:39.660 take the call. And I told him in five minutes or less, I want you to do an interview with me

00:44:46.480 immediately on my release of a press release saying that I'm taking the federal government

00:44:51.260 to court over the mandates and over the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Oh, my God.

00:44:55.260 oh he said mr peck we got to do something about this we got to do something about this and he says

00:45:00.660 leave it with me and within five minutes he had his producer on to me and his videographer and

00:45:06.640 all the rest of them and within a few hours we arranged to do this interview as he was just

00:45:13.180 starting his going to austin texas then for his first speech and he interrupted all of that for

00:45:19.020 couple of hours to get this interview in so wow you know so a million a million over a million

00:45:27.340 views that's absolutely fantastic and he's such an intelligent you guys actually had a great report

00:45:33.020 i want to talk about the uh the breaches of the certain sections of the charter that you pointed

00:45:38.500 out in that show brian starting with and i want to get to section one because that's an interesting

00:45:44.820 point you made on the phone with me the other day section one you don't even think is applicable

00:45:49.560 with any of any of these uh bridges that they've done so far but let's start with section two here

00:45:54.520 fundamental freedoms everyone has the following fundamental freedoms in canada a freedom of

00:46:01.120 conscience and religion which should cover uh not wanting to get a vaccine right exactly freedom of

00:46:08.560 conscience uh freedom of thought belief opinion and expression including freedom of the press

00:46:13.560 and other media of communication and they've got bills right now in uh in the house of commons to

00:46:20.380 try and censor uh this kind of show and and you know rebel news and other uh freedom of peaceful

00:46:26.640 assembly which was what happened in ottawa i don't see a time limit on that by the way it doesn't say

00:46:32.220 you can have a freedom of peaceful assembly for two days or two hours it doesn't give a time limit

00:46:37.320 and freedom of association which is i've got two tickets on my wall back here because i participated

00:46:43.140 in rallies back in October and I got charged $1,400 each time. So section two has been breached

00:46:49.980 in your opinion, correct? Oh, absolutely. And I'm glad you pointed out that's the whole idea

00:46:55.820 of a constitution that a lot of people are having trouble understanding. And when I say it's

00:47:01.020 different than a federal law or a principle law, because this is the principles, okay? This is the

00:47:06.960 principles which is going to guide the country into the future for decades, right? A constitution

00:47:12.560 is something that doesn't get changed every day and and that's why we put the charter in the

00:47:17.660 constitution because then it would be protected like the federal act of of of 1960 the bill of

00:47:23.980 rights which didn't even protect all canadians but the ones that did protect it could get changed

00:47:28.320 just by any government that came in that's right easy to change now let me ask you this

00:47:33.300 you've got to go through a big big different formula how do you do that like i the meach

00:47:40.440 Lake Accord, I believe, was an attempt to amend the Constitution, bring Quebec in, but you have

00:47:45.120 to have a certain representation of provinces. I don't even know how it really works. What is the

00:47:50.800 amending formula? And it's in the Constitution Act of 82. When you scroll down, if you go down

00:47:56.480 through it all, you'll come to the amending formula. And for most amendments, it's seven

00:48:01.140 provinces representing at least 50% of the population. Okay. In the Constitution, it actually

00:48:07.500 says two-thirds but two-thirds of 10 you can't do right because it's 66 and two-thirds so you've

00:48:12.760 got to go to the next number which is seven so it's seven provinces and 50 percent of at least

00:48:18.400 50 percent of the population to get most amendments to the constitution done and that's not an easy

00:48:24.680 proposition no i guess not i mean you have to have referendums in each province because it's based

00:48:30.300 upon the population's uh voting correct no it's based upon the province can on behalf of its

00:48:36.980 people oh i see commit them as we did in in 1981 82 you don't have to have a referendum but my

00:48:43.100 point is to get seven provinces on side it's very hard and it's even harder now you know why

00:48:47.940 because we have five of the provinces that are have not they're totally dependent upon the

00:48:52.640 federal government they're getting billions every year in equalization on top of that that health

00:48:58.420 transfer canada health transfer goes to all provinces not just half provinces so a lot of

00:49:04.760 Even the half provinces, like the big provinces like Alberta and British Columbia, right, that are half provinces, get a lot of health money every year, billions of dollars.

00:49:14.400 If they had to replace it, it would be very difficult.

00:49:16.500 So over time, the original Constitution of Canada has gotten skewed to be more in favor of the federal government and less in favor of the provinces because the provinces have allowed it.

00:49:29.200 Okay, so you're

00:49:31.260 Get seven provinces to agree

00:49:33.260 To anything because they'd be afraid

00:49:35.240 To open it and they might get

00:49:37.300 Their equalization reduced

00:49:39.000 Or they make the principle of equalization

00:49:41.300 Which is in the

00:49:42.360 Constitution might get watered

00:49:45.240 Down in its wording and so they don't

00:49:47.180 Want to do that so trying to get seven

00:49:49.360 Now to be on side to even

00:49:51.360 Just talk about opening the constitution

00:49:53.440 Is going to be a big

00:49:54.920 A big deal

00:49:56.960 you know remember it was 114 years yeah before we opened it yeah i'll tell you how difficult it is

00:50:03.440 even back before we had the amending formula it's interesting you bring that up like it sounds like

00:50:08.600 you're opening pandora's box or something when you open that constitution it's like okay now

00:50:13.420 we've got the secret formula we're going to open the box up and oh man once this thing is open we

00:50:18.180 can do all kinds of naughty crap absolutely and and and uh yeah so i say to people who say you

00:50:25.580 You know, why didn't you put this in? Why didn't you put that in most and most cases? 0.67

00:50:29.740 It's something that should go in an ordinary law, not something that should go in the Constitution, because they don't understand the difference between a Constitution being a document of principles which had to be interpreted by the courts versus a law where you can get into the real specifics.

00:50:45.400 Right. Because, you know, you can change it easy enough. You can't the Constitution.

00:50:49.860 So you've got to be careful what you put in. That's why I say to people, especially people.

00:50:55.580 who are more spiritual and christian and and religious the supremacy of god in the preamble

00:51:04.460 is very important and if you look at canada today and how secular it's become do you think that

00:51:11.080 would last under a new uh a new constitution act keeping that in there there are so many secular

00:51:17.300 people around the day i don't even believe in god at all that the chances of keeping that there

00:51:22.120 if the constitution got open are not great so you know be careful what you wish for you might get a

00:51:28.720 lot more negative than positive coming out of it well it's interesting you know there's a lot of

00:51:33.240 people say so where do these rights come from anyway uh i mean like what what is it well they

00:51:38.200 come from god essentially because you know canada is a christian nation or was founded as such and

00:51:43.100 so these laws are inalienable you were born with these rights well that's that's why the supremacy

00:51:47.960 of god is very important and here's the key most of the decisions that are coming out of the courts

00:51:52.840 right now don't even acknowledge that supremacy of god is there and that's one of the arguments

00:51:59.080 that i'm making now stronger and stronger every day in my speeches and interviews like this i'm

00:52:04.760 going after the courts to say i'm reading your decisions courts and i'm not seeing where you

00:52:11.160 made any reference to supremacy of god in the interpretation of the charter in that particular

00:52:17.640 case that you had before you and you don't have the the right to select which parts of the charter

00:52:25.280 that apply all of the parts of the charter that are relevant must apply to every case

00:52:31.760 and that's the big mistake that we've allowed that lawyers are not speaking up on and which

00:52:37.920 the courts and the judges are getting away with that's why i keep saying we still got a chance to

00:52:42.580 turn it around because we still got the courts of appeal and the supreme court of canada

00:52:47.420 to look to when these court cases get up to that level.

00:52:53.400 How can these judges just completely ignore the Charter of Rights and Freedoms,

00:52:57.060 like the case we had in Manitoba last year with the churches taking the Protestant court?

00:53:01.760 Well, I read that again today before I came on your program. 0.90

00:53:05.120 They didn't ignore it.

00:53:05.980 What they do is to do this as a real trick.

00:53:08.160 They say, we acknowledge that the Charter of Rights is there.

00:53:11.000 Then they go on to ignore it, thinking that by just making notice of it

00:53:15.760 or referencing a couple of provisions, they have discharged their responsibility when they have

00:53:22.700 not. Their responsibility is to try to interpret the case before them in the context of after

00:53:29.500 fully considering all these provisions. And if they did, they wouldn't have ruled like they did

00:53:34.980 in Manitoba, for example, where the court, the judge at the end of the day said, I believe the

00:53:39.720 public health officer, when at the same time, there was a mountain of evidence on the table

00:53:44.640 before him that he ignored, which was totally contrary to what the health officer was saying.

00:53:50.440 So he never even looked at all the evidence. He just took the evidence from the government

00:53:54.500 and adopted the government narrative, which is not his purview to do. He has a solemn

00:54:00.100 responsibility as a judge when he took his oath to be a judge to look at all of the evidence

00:54:06.340 in the light of whatever the legislation or the charter was applicable at the time. He did not

00:54:12.380 do that. Well, these governments know, and I want to get to section six, Brian, because I know this

00:54:18.420 is what your lawsuit is based on. These governments know that, you know, if the average person is going

00:54:22.980 to go to court and fight them over a couple of mask tickets or a couple of, you know, getting

00:54:28.340 together unlawfully in a group of more than 50 outside, you know, on Thursdays, whatever the 0.87

00:54:35.580 stupid law was, province to province, they know that people can't, the average person by and large, 0.92

00:54:40.760 can't afford to follow the chain the chain of court all the way to the supreme court it could 0.99

00:54:46.100 cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to do that but before we get to section six which is what

00:54:52.520 your case is going to be about what about section one this is the section that you guys wrote in

00:54:58.640 to give governments exceptions in certain cases but there's something called the oaks test

00:55:05.540 that came around in the 1980s now section one is all about uh let's see i had it here

00:55:13.280 right so the canadian charter of rights and freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms

00:55:18.540 set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably

00:55:24.920 justified in a free and democratic society well here's my okay yeah go ahead okay so that had to

00:55:32.980 be put in there because we knew that the constitution was when when this finished and

00:55:37.120 if we were successful in getting everybody on board that this would be there for decades and

00:55:42.320 decades and decades and by the way it has 40 years now so that'll give you you know that you don't

00:55:47.020 change these things very close and what i said earlier means that this is not going to be changed

00:55:51.000 anytime soon so we were looking at something generational decades decades and decades so we

00:55:57.760 had to look ahead and what we looked ahead at was that there might be a case where there's

00:56:05.500 outbreak of war there might be an insurrection in other words a peril to the state's existence

00:56:13.080 and therefore the intent of section one was to cover off that kind of situation

00:56:18.840 and that's why that's put in there and that's why i keep arguing i'm the only one by the way around

00:56:25.180 who's arguing this as vociferously as I am, because, of course, I was the only one who was

00:56:29.760 there. And I can remember why we put it in there and what the conditions were and what the intent

00:56:36.040 was. And the intent was what I just explained. We had to cover off a situation where the government

00:56:42.600 was going to have to move fast. Somebody declared war against us. There was an insurrection. The

00:56:47.700 state's existence was in peril and the government had to move fast. And that's what that was meant

00:56:53.120 four. Now, if you just stroll down to four, I'll tell you, you just go, let me see, four.

00:57:02.300 Maximum duration of legislative bodies. Okay, no, no, four, they're four, two, there it is,

00:57:08.540 I just saw. Continuation in special circumstances. Yeah, in time of real or apprehended war,

00:57:15.460 invasion or insurrection, a House of Commons may be continued by Parliament, and the Legislative

00:57:21.080 Assembly may be continued by the legislature beyond five years if such constitution is not

00:57:26.940 opposed by the voters of more than one-third of the members of the House of Commons or the

00:57:31.900 Legislative Assembly, as the case may be. In other words, that's what we were thinking of.

00:57:37.520 You only had to scroll down two sections to find out what our thought process at the time was for

00:57:43.280 Section 1, because if we were going to do that to extend Parliament, that's the same kind of

00:57:48.360 conditions would apply for breaching the freedoms of individuals right it's it's not plausible to

00:57:56.100 think that me as and i'm thankfully i'm still alive me as a first minister in 1981 we're going

00:58:02.240 to put a different term and condition on the extension of parliament different from taking

00:58:07.100 away a person's freedom that we just gave them that's not possible that's right so therefore

00:58:14.040 My argument of it applying only to war and insurrection

00:58:17.760 gains more strength and credibility

00:58:20.140 for seeing what our thought process was only two sections down.

00:58:24.040 Now, I go on to say, though, Shadow,

00:58:27.300 and this is where I think I really aggravate a lot of people

00:58:30.120 because they think, okay, he's really out there all by himself now.

00:58:34.260 All the old First Ministers are dead.

00:58:36.160 He knows nobody can contradict them,

00:58:37.880 so he can say that was what their intent was,

00:58:40.060 even though it shows up in Section 4 a couple of sections down.

00:58:42.960 Okay, so I say to them, I'll take you on. Okay, let's go for argument and say that section one does apply, even in this pandemic. You have not passed the four tests that are even applicable in war and insurrection. You have to demonstrably justify, you have to do it by law, you have to do it within reasonable limits, and you have to do it in the context of a free and democratic society.

00:59:09.380 okay now now now this is the thing here we talk about within reasonable limits right but remember

00:59:15.580 within within reasonable limits is a preposition it's a prepositional phrase the key to that

00:59:20.620 sentence is the verb and what's the verb demonstrably justify right within reasonable limits

00:59:26.440 yeah by law but still i mean like no time limit right and no no no no within reasonable limit

00:59:34.700 no time limit you couldn't put that in because circumstances are going to be different you

00:59:38.640 couldn't open and close the constitution very easily that's where the judges come in right

00:59:43.200 you understand yeah now and i'll explain to you a little bit later a bit more but my point is in

00:59:49.720 any case if you read that sentence i'm an english teacher and so that's why i just picked you up on

00:59:54.080 the verb and the prepositional phrase the operational part of that sentence is demonstrably

01:00:00.960 justified no government in canada all 14 of the governments have done mandates the three territories

01:00:08.580 the 10 provinces and the federal government have demonstrably justified anything that they did

01:00:14.180 because what does demonstrably justify mean that means prove me that prove it good that you're

01:00:20.420 going to do yes prove it show me that the good you're going to do by bringing this in outweighs

01:00:25.220 the damage that you're going to do they didn't do it and therefore they failed the test and therefore

01:00:31.540 section one does not apply it and then if you go down further the fourth test is free and democratic

01:00:38.020 society in that section one well what does free and democratic society mean in canada doesn't

01:00:43.360 that mean that the people will be involved either directly or through their parliaments

01:00:48.240 where is the parliamentary committee was there a parliamentary committee set up in the noon of it

01:00:52.660 was there one set up in newfoundland was there one set up in british columbia or ontario or any of

01:00:57.460 the province to oversee to make this a real democratic thing no they opened the parliaments

01:01:04.360 long enough to sneak through another piece of legislation to give more edicts to their public

01:01:10.220 health officers that's not a democracy that's not a free and democratic society so my argument is

01:01:16.440 they don't meet that fourth test either so out to out the door goes section one section one

01:01:22.460 doesn't apply either in either in intent or in the tests that are in it so don't try to

01:01:29.400 snooker me was trying to say that section one gives them an out because it does not okay i'm

01:01:36.060 happy to hear you say that because that's what i've been saying now for coming up on two years

01:01:40.100 they have demonstrably justified nothing and it seems like right it seems as though the courts

01:01:47.360 are playing ball as we just pointed out and you know that that's kind of eroded the faith in our

01:01:52.780 bureaucratic institutions uh over the past couple of years don't you think i mean i don't go ahead

01:02:00.240 no no i agree with 100 and i'm only saying now uh you know we're in the latter part of the

01:02:06.560 second period to give a canadian uh analogy to it of a hockey game we're in the latter part of

01:02:12.040 the second period the game is not over but we're behind and we only got the third period to catch

01:02:18.240 up and scored a winning goal. And that comes down to the courts of appeal and the Supreme

01:02:22.780 Court of Canada. By the way, if you do the numbers on that, that's likely to be 20 to 30 people

01:02:27.540 unelected judges. That may be the people who will decide the future of our democracy,

01:02:35.060 okay, as 20 or 30 people. But we have time now, and that's why I'm on your program,

01:02:39.640 to influence them. There may be somebody on this program who's a brother to a judge,

01:02:44.380 a sister to a brother judge might even be a mother or an aunt you know or a child who's

01:02:50.320 listening to this program other programs like this and goes to their judge brother or whatever

01:02:56.500 or sister and says hey by the way you know you got to go by the letter of the law i heard the

01:03:03.500 only guy who's alive who was there at the constitutional conference boy and he's saying

01:03:08.140 that some of these decisions that your colleagues have made so far don't don't make the intent of

01:03:13.620 section one and even if they did they don't meet the tests of section one if it does apply what do

01:03:19.580 you say about that grandpa about that aunt mary you know what brian i do have to say if there's

01:03:26.180 anybody who's going to bring a suit against the federal government regarding the constitution

01:03:31.240 and the charter of rights and freedoms it has to be you i can imagine you sitting there in the 0.98

01:03:37.920 courtroom and the judge sitting there on the bench looking at you going oh shit this guy knows 0.55

01:03:45.260 like everything about this he wrote the thing or he was there when they wrote it and how am i 0.61

01:03:50.360 supposed to tell him he's wrong exactly exactly you know exactly you're going with uh section six

01:03:56.840 mobility rights in in uh canada as a right to move within the country freely and even to leave

01:04:04.380 the country freely that is what your lawsuit is based upon and you had all of these other

01:04:08.960 breaches that you could have gone with why did you choose this particular because this because

01:04:14.460 this seemed to the lawyers and me to be the cleanest here's a government and it happens to

01:04:19.480 be the federal government in this case and it applies right across canada so every canadian

01:04:23.920 will understand right away when i when when someone like me says i'm challenging the federal

01:04:29.440 government on their right my right not to be able to travel within my own country or even leave my

01:04:35.200 country and because just about every canadian has somebody in their family right who lives in

01:04:41.560 another province they're used to traveling across the country remember we're the second largest

01:04:45.860 country in the world yeah i mean how did canada get formed a lot of it had to do with travel

01:04:50.760 the railway yeah east to west east to west that's how the country got formed so you know we're used

01:04:56.740 to travel and then there's all our river systems and the st lawrence seaway blah blah blah i mean

01:05:01.340 we've been traveling rivers right traveling across the country for a long period of time

01:05:06.400 so right right let me just let me let me say i'm sorry to interrupt you but i these these guys

01:05:11.080 have been very tricky with their application of all of these mandates over the past couple of

01:05:16.640 years where they come to a certain level and they're not quite breaching the constitution i

01:05:22.640 mean they haven't exactly taken away the right to travel freely they've just taken away different

01:05:29.060 modes of travel so you can't but the but the section doesn't give modes the section talks

01:05:34.820 about travel right and that's all travel there's no they can say just to play devil's advocate they

01:05:40.380 can say to you well you can still go to newfoundland if you want to go to newfoundland

01:05:44.940 i suppose you know you could just drive it yeah and take a week what about i have a bit like one

01:05:51.040 of in my legal suit lawsuit there's five other people in that suit with me i happen to be the

01:05:59.200 most high profile so that's why i'm sort of like the principal complaint complainant but there are

01:06:05.080 five others and all five of them give examples of different kinds of travel and how they have

01:06:11.240 been negatively impacted okay like this one person who has a business in northwest territories

01:06:17.200 and ontario now how is he to operate his business he's going to go bankrupt right he's got to drive

01:06:23.860 from southern ontario to yellow knife i mean come on give me a break right no you're right you're

01:06:29.860 right i mean i'm on your side and you know but what i'm saying i'm just arguing back so that

01:06:34.380 right as part of the the argument and then of course the other four have other examples of

01:06:39.520 family and so on that they've been able you know people dying i had two examples this week by the

01:06:43.640 way i had a man call me yesterday morning at about 9 10 from uh vancouver here on vancouver

01:06:51.460 where i live and he flew out no he didn't he drove out from ontario to see a family member

01:07:02.240 on vancouver he was in an accident he had a slight concussion he's got to get back to

01:07:09.400 his job he's unvaccinated he can't travel he can't get back to Ontario his job is going to be gone

01:07:17.740 he wanted to talk to me and explain to me I know I'm really I'm really looking forward to your

01:07:25.160 lawsuit because you're hitting dead on what I'm experiencing right now the day before in the

01:07:31.860 morning I had a young man and his sister who live in Toronto who have a grandmother in South Africa

01:07:39.200 who's dying and she's dying by the way because of the vaccine it has been determined even by

01:07:47.360 her doctors it's the vaccine that's killing her she's called her grandchildren in toronto and say

01:07:53.120 i will pay your way down to see your grandmother before i pass away they're unvaccinated they can't

01:08:01.720 travel to see their grandmother before she dies. Now, you tell me. You show me the signs,

01:08:10.180 Mr. Trudeau. You show me the signs, Mr. Chief Justice or Mr. Justice, to demonstrate that this

01:08:18.340 is a fair situation in our country called a democracy. It ain't fair because the data is

01:08:26.620 not there to support them. The data, by the way, hasn't been there to support these lockdowns

01:08:31.560 about 90 days in a hundred days in there's a professor out of simon fraser university

01:08:37.480 douglas allen who in april 2021 produced a report that none of the mainstream media

01:08:43.480 carried where he reviewed 80 studies from around the world which showed that it looked like the

01:08:49.480 cure was worse than the disease and then it got more and more data more and more evidence so hey

01:08:55.080 So I did the mobility clause because it's clean and everybody can understand it really easy.

01:09:04.060 It affects everybody across Canada, a lot of people across Canada.

01:09:07.380 By the way, the federal government, we think, made a mistake because they used the Aeronautics Act to bring this in.

01:09:14.660 And the Aeronautics Act talks about the safety of the plane, doesn't talk about the people aboard the plane.

01:09:21.460 So we think they're going to have a real problem on even introducing this Aeronautics Act as being a valid use of the act in trying to stop travel.

01:09:32.860 And then, of course, we'll get into the charter itself and say you're violating Section 6.

01:09:38.280 So we think we have a pretty clean argument at this.

01:09:45.280 And that's why we think we're going to win.

01:09:47.480 So let me ask you, by the way, on this show, we don't call them mainstream media.

01:09:51.380 They are left-wing corporate media.

01:09:53.980 That's what they really are.

01:09:55.760 Delicious.

01:09:56.960 They're no longer mainstream, as far as I'm concerned.

01:10:00.040 So going forward, if we can just predict outcomes, let's just say you take your case, you get to the Appeals Court of Canada, and then it goes to the Supreme Court.

01:10:11.280 Yeah.

01:10:12.120 And you win.

01:10:12.980 Let's just say we win.

01:10:13.960 And would this be applicable immediately that the mandates have to come down?

01:10:19.500 Not immediately, but it would affect a lot of the mandates in the provinces because the charter has been shown to be superior.

01:10:27.620 So therefore, these courts would have to be really have to watch their barber on how they're going to rule on these other mandates and would have a tremendous effect on how these other mandates are looked at.

01:10:40.360 so is there is there any other positive outcome that that can happen and just

01:10:46.200 is it just getting them to drop these mandates well no no and what i wrote a piece the other

01:10:53.840 day for my blog and it took off as well as saying that the war is the charter the battles are the

01:11:01.920 mandates so because the mandates are being dropped across the province that doesn't mean the war is

01:11:06.220 over because all of these governments committed right broke the law for the last seven or eight

01:11:12.580 or 10 or 12 or 24 months however long depending on the problems so we've got to still bring them

01:11:18.000 to justice even though the mandates are gone now because because you don't have them now because

01:11:22.420 i'm not breaking the law now doesn't mean you didn't break the law for the last year and a half

01:11:26.320 which you did so all of these mandate all these court cases will continue until they're

01:11:31.180 adjudicated in the courts, including mine. The other reason why our lawsuit is the way it is,

01:11:39.020 is because we go directly to the federal court of Canada, and then we have one more step to the

01:11:43.840 Supreme Court of Canada, whereas all the provincial mandates got three steps, two in the province,

01:11:49.080 and then to the Supreme Court of Canada. Let me ask you this, Brian, because I know we're coming

01:11:54.200 to the end here, and Carol's going to be upset with me if I keep you any longer than the next

01:11:57.820 15 minutes she said i had 90 minutes and we're coming up on that pretty quickly um the hierarchy

01:12:03.420 of law in canada uh it's confusing it's like trying to put together a rubik's cube there's

01:12:10.800 been a lot of people walking around maskless i'm sure you've seen the videos online and the

01:12:16.180 cops will stop them and in some cases get physical with them um which is completely ridiculous there

01:12:24.040 was the canadian tire i think it was in burnaby out there in british columbia where the the

01:12:28.120 the staff wrestled the guy to the ground five of them completely defeating the purpose of of the

01:12:34.100 reason they were wrestling him down because they got within six feet of him they were breathing

01:12:38.100 all over him because he didn't have a mask on and he was breathing all over them but these mandates

01:12:43.380 are they in fact illegal and if so why haven't the police services across the country including

01:12:51.100 the RCMP refused to. Because they've taken their instructions from their ministers of justice who

01:12:56.780 are part of the narrative. And this is the other thing I've had a great job trying to explain to

01:13:01.300 people, no matter how many times I do it, is that don't talk to me about the Human Rights Code of

01:13:07.020 Canada. Don't talk to me about the Human Rights Code of a province. The Charter is over all of

01:13:12.000 that. The Charter is superior to all that. So what you should be saying to your employer is you're

01:13:17.680 breaking the charter of rights and freedoms the supreme law of canada i'm writing letters tonight

01:13:22.880 tomorrow to people across canada who've written me can i have a letter from you with your name on

01:13:28.900 saying as a first minister who helped sign this chart you employer if you're trying to fire or

01:13:36.680 lay off this person just because of their vaccine vaccination status you are breaking the charter

01:13:42.660 of Rights and Freedoms. You are denying that person security of the person, right, which is

01:13:48.020 in Section 7 of the Act. You're denying them life, liberty, and security of the person, right?

01:13:52.860 And so you are violating the Supreme Law of Canada. And you should know this before you

01:13:58.900 fire this person, because the liability on you one day, when the courts finally decide that this

01:14:04.860 is unconstitutional, could be much greater than you think. How many lawsuits?

01:14:12.480 That's what every Canadian should be doing is forget for now, because we're talking about the charter.

01:14:18.540 We're talking about the Constitution. That is what we're talking about.

01:14:21.740 That is what's being violated. And everybody should be talking just the charter.

01:14:27.900 How many lawsuits are going to be filed?

01:14:30.820 There's quite a few out there now. There's quite a few, especially in British Columbia and Alberta.

01:14:37.080 I don't and Ontario is quite a few I don't know how many there will be but there's going to be

01:14:42.360 scores of them for sure over the next while there's a there's a very interesting one in

01:14:47.160 British Columbia it's been ongoing for a while now it's a class action suit and I've written

01:14:53.500 an affidavit for it as a matter of fact I've got an affidavit into that one and I've got another

01:14:58.580 affidavit in another suit in Alberta so and my own suit so I'm a busy boy what is what is the

01:15:07.060 class action if you don't mind my asking well they this this group are taking and taking the

01:15:11.800 court just saying um you know you're you're violating classes of people you're you're you

01:15:17.040 know you're doing a lot of damage and and so they've done it through that class action route

01:15:21.540 which is far more complicated uh but one of the things that we're learning and this is very

01:15:27.740 disappointing is the there's one in alberta that's ongoing and one and this one in british

01:15:32.640 colombia where the governments are deliberately withholding information these are governments who

01:15:38.960 said we have the information which proves we had to do this then when you ask them for the

01:15:43.580 information they won't give it to you yeah i've heard that happened uh in alberta i believe in 0.78

01:15:50.120 alberta and british colombia it's happening today is is this the class action that tanya gah is

01:15:55.200 filing with rocco galati no no okay but there's one that the justice center has filed in alberta

01:16:00.880 on behalf of some people.

01:16:02.500 And the same thing is happening here in British Columbia

01:16:04.500 with the class action suit,

01:16:06.000 where completely implausible,

01:16:09.120 because the lawyers have said,

01:16:11.000 no, Judge, no, Your Honor,

01:16:12.200 don't give them any more time

01:16:13.400 to produce this information,

01:16:16.600 because you have on record,

01:16:18.680 already in this court case,

01:16:20.500 you already have on record

01:16:22.100 that they said we brought in these measures

01:16:25.500 because of the information we had,

01:16:27.500 which they're now not producing.

01:16:28.960 so they don't need any more time to produce it they already got it because they needed for the

01:16:33.800 decisions that they talked about earlier well they they had they've had two years to produce

01:16:38.740 this because they alleged or at least they alleged that they have it now they won't produce it

01:16:43.000 because they're scared because these cases are cases that you know could go either way i think

01:16:48.780 they they already now realize that there might be on shaky ground so they're trying to delay and

01:16:53.580 delay this as long as they can get into a position to soften up the court a bit with the mandates

01:16:58.140 coming off and hoping then that the judges are not as strict as they would have been

01:17:02.140 six months earlier.

01:17:03.980 How do we stop this from ever happening again?

01:17:07.220 And the reason I ask that is because, as you say, the mandates are slipping off, but I

01:17:11.120 don't think there's anybody on the side of freedom who believes that the mandates aren't

01:17:16.160 going to come back in the fall.

01:17:17.700 I mean, we've even been warned about it.

01:17:19.140 Bonnie Henry out there in B.C. was saying that, you know, they're going to come back.

01:17:23.200 Teresa Tam has been saying, oh, masks will come back in the fall.

01:17:26.580 How do we stop it?

01:17:28.140 Listen, the only way to stop it, and this is where I have a great argument with some

01:17:34.240 people who say, well, we need to put something else in the Constitution.

01:17:38.320 No, no, no.

01:17:39.320 We don't need anything else.

01:17:40.320 It's not going to happen anyway, but we don't need anything to work on because they can

01:17:43.540 break it the same way they broke it now, right?

01:17:46.060 If this doesn't work, nothing works.

01:17:47.640 The life, liberty, and security of the person doesn't work.

01:17:50.320 If freedom of assembly doesn't work, those are the words.

01:17:53.520 Freedom of associate, what in the hell is going to work?

01:17:56.040 So what we've got to do now is the precedent will be set now.

01:18:00.700 And if we can get the judges to restore the charter,

01:18:05.360 as you and I understand it and know it to be,

01:18:08.400 and we know we're right, we can read.

01:18:10.780 We don't need the judges to read a sentence for us.

01:18:13.480 We know what those freedoms and rights say.

01:18:16.780 Then we will win.

01:18:18.540 And then the governments will not be able to do what they did in the past.

01:18:22.700 They'll have to go demands to be justified.

01:18:24.720 They'll have to establish cost-benefit analysis. 0.99

01:18:27.480 They'll have to involve the parliaments and they'll do a whole bunch of things.

01:18:30.740 They will not have the free pass that they had this time.

01:18:33.620 However, if we lose now, the precedent will be that the charter has been diluted and they'll be able to do this a lot easier than if the charter was in force.

01:18:47.180 So this means that we have to keep waking people up.

01:18:50.680 As you said earlier in the show, over the past 40 years, Canadians have fallen asleep, and some of them have woken up in the last couple of years.

01:18:58.660 I think we have new ones waking up every single day.

01:19:01.720 But in order for this to work, we need everybody who feels as we do to wake up and speak up.

01:19:07.320 And speak up and get involved.

01:19:09.440 Get involved.

01:19:10.220 And by the way, the best way to write your MP and your MLA is snail mail.

01:19:15.820 Is it?

01:19:16.760 Yes, because you have no delete button.

01:19:19.160 that's true but uh then again here's how the mail works the mail is legal okay

01:19:25.380 this this this physical stuff that we now uh we you know uh we uh we tend to denigrate god now

01:19:34.780 and we also tend to denigrate things that work like snail mail okay because now we have our big

01:19:40.360 technology well you know what i don't know if there's anybody been around since socrates that

01:19:46.680 was any smarter than him and that was back in you know 400 bc so i don't think we should get so

01:19:52.260 cocky about our our technology it might even destroy us in the end so let's not get too

01:19:57.740 cocky about that okay so my view is i know how the mail works in governments right when you

01:20:03.200 post a letter and you can't keep a copy of course that letter goes by canada post to a post office

01:20:09.680 box for general mail in the minister's office if you address it to the minister or the prime

01:20:15.020 minister's office and we addressed it to the prime minister, et cetera, et cetera.

01:20:19.660 That has to be collected by law.

01:20:23.380 That has to be opened by law.

01:20:26.200 That has to be collated by law.

01:20:28.620 And then it's presented to the minister's office.

01:20:31.820 And a list is given as to what the subject matter was and how many were in favor of this

01:20:38.280 and how many were against that.

01:20:39.920 So I say to Canadians, write your letter. 0.72

01:20:43.540 and write it you can email them too but that will get deleted and they'll come oh i'm very sorry oh

01:20:49.120 i passed the wrong but i hit the wrong button or guess what i had a cyber attack i mean there'll

01:20:55.640 be more and more cyber attacks than you can shake the stick at getting rid of these emails okay so

01:21:00.600 that doesn't work what works is the old snail mail but you can send an email to if you want

01:21:06.380 so the more paper goes to the minister's office and the prime minister's office and the mla's

01:21:12.380 office the better let me ask you this as a former premier um what would it take to get

01:21:19.900 for a premier to notice that people are upset and and what i mean by that like you're looking

01:21:25.700 outside your office window and you see how many people would it require for you to go hmm there's

01:21:31.680 a problem here i would say if every saturday there were five to ten thousand people turning up at

01:21:38.520 every legislature in canada and 10 to 15 000 at the parliament hill these governments would have

01:21:47.660 to take notes they're doing it in victoria now i think last weekend they had close to 13 000

01:21:53.520 i heard that yeah oh yes they're doing it there's a really good organization on the island we unify

01:21:58.720 canada that's behind organizing this i went to one of their first meetings by the way in a church

01:22:03.680 down down in uh in suburban victoria a church that holds 100 to 100 and that holds a lot of

01:22:12.320 people but the organizers at the time thought we would have 150 and this is how it all started

01:22:16.660 when i got there 20 minutes to 7 for the meeting at 7 o'clock there were over 400 people already

01:22:22.220 there wow and every meeting i've had public meeting i've had on bank over island because

01:22:27.200 it's close enough for me to get to have been overflowing there's never been one where there's

01:22:31.920 been an empty seat there's always been too few seats and that we were threatening to go over the

01:22:37.220 fireman's code and all the rest of it okay so there's a lot of people interested and trying

01:22:43.140 to understand that constitution and that charter and i think you're right but if we can get more

01:22:48.020 and more people to still be they want their freedoms back and we want our freedoms back

01:22:54.060 we want our charter back you have you have trample on our charter we want it back it's there it's

01:22:59.600 past. It's got all the right things in it to safeguard our democracy. You've got to honor

01:23:04.660 judge. You've got to honor government. And it'll take the people and legitimate civil disobedience

01:23:10.520 to do what it looks like right now. Brian, you were at Ottawa, I think. You went and did a

01:23:16.220 talk there in front of the people. What was that experience like? Unbelievable. I'll never forget

01:23:23.560 it as long as I live. I walked the streets to see these blue-collar truckers. I met the board,

01:23:32.240 Tamara and her board. They were all legitimate, by the way. They were all legally formed, right?

01:23:38.020 This is what Canadians don't understand. There were some truckers there that were separate from

01:23:42.220 the main body of truckers. But that main body of truckers, which encompassed Tamara and her group,

01:23:48.580 they had a board of directors. They had accountants. They had lawyers. And they were the

01:23:52.620 ones who asked for meetings with the federal government and they turned them down who asked

01:23:56.480 for meetings it was the truckers and they were there look the streets were as clean as anything

01:24:02.180 look the best judge of all of that is city police of ottawa had to admit that the crime rate went

01:24:08.160 down in ottawa after the truckers arrived and stayed down till they left and the streets were

01:24:13.960 clean too from what i understand were clean and they were they were giving out hot chocolate and

01:24:18.920 food to anybody that came along and they were happy and they were behaving themselves and they

01:24:24.100 were also by the way and this is not well known i'm there because that left-wing corporate media

01:24:28.720 that you talked about earlier uh didn't carry that we were negotiating and i was involved with

01:24:34.440 these from a distance okay so i know i'm not talking i'm not talking to my head here okay

01:24:39.780 i was involved in them

01:24:41.420 that truckers convoy were negotiating with the auto police every week to move their trucks around

01:24:49.280 to make it easier for the citizens of ottawa to operate with the the convoy there so this is

01:24:56.520 ridiculous what's going on now and that you know these judges got to realize that the evidence is

01:25:03.740 overwhelming against what the government has done we had the same thing happening in winnipeg here

01:25:09.680 we had a smaller version of what happened in Ottawa with the convoy.

01:25:14.360 And all they wanted to do was get together with the premier,

01:25:19.000 Heather Stephenson now, and just have a conversation.

01:25:23.860 There wasn't anything like, you know, that's it.

01:25:26.720 They weren't demanding.

01:25:28.280 It was just, this is what we would like to see.

01:25:31.040 But they never came out and had that talk.

01:25:33.560 Now, what we saw in Ottawa was, I think,

01:25:35.820 some conservative MPs went out, Pierre Polyev,

01:25:38.500 uh candace bergen they went out and talked but really that doesn't matter because they're

01:25:42.740 opposition well not but not only that they did it too late too the conservatives did it too

01:25:47.540 loud i was a member of the conservative party and i left it for that very same reason because

01:25:51.620 they've been all over the map over the last two years or three years and so yeah i i'm just as

01:25:57.380 angry now with conservatives as i am with the ndp and the liberals all the so-called mainstream

01:26:02.340 parties have let us down badly and now of course they're all jumping on the bandwagon all these

01:26:07.140 these leadership candidates, right?

01:26:10.000 They were their big savers.

01:26:11.300 They were not.

01:26:12.200 Where was Paliyev back three or four months ago?

01:26:15.380 He was by the side of Mr. O'Toole.

01:26:18.600 Yeah, well, you know what?

01:26:19.600 Preaching ambiguity.

01:26:21.780 That's what Max Bernier said

01:26:23.380 when he was on the show a couple of months.

01:26:25.300 He goes, where was Pierre?

01:26:26.300 Where was Candace back then?

01:26:27.520 And so now I guess that Mr. O'Toole is done.

01:26:31.100 That's why I'm a member of the PPC today

01:26:33.720 and support Mr. Bernier 0.97

01:26:35.300 because he's the only unsproken on the block right now.

01:26:39.660 Brian, I think that you're a very unifying voice within our country

01:26:43.800 and you speak from great experience and knowledge.

01:26:48.400 You are the last surviving signatory of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

01:26:52.660 And I hate to ask you to do any more, but something you and I talked about,

01:26:57.940 this will be the last thing because I'm coming up on my time limit here.

01:27:00.440 uh something we talked about before the show started tonight was maybe trying to unify all

01:27:07.580 of these magnificent groups that have formed across the country the canada people's union

01:27:12.240 canada unity action for canada all of these fantastic groups who seem to be doing the same

01:27:20.440 thing in just slightly different ways so get tanya together with uh you know some of these

01:27:25.760 other people and form one massive freedom solidarity movement that might be enough to

01:27:32.440 bring the people out in numbers that you were just talking about i think you hit perhaps you

01:27:38.740 know one of the most important points of the whole interview uh and this is one of the problems that

01:27:44.580 we've had now over the last several months is yeah new groups formed and and you got to you got

01:27:50.120 to admire the leadership of those groups and getting these groups together and there's you

01:27:54.680 You know, a lot of them are spending a lot of their own money, a lot of their own time.

01:27:58.360 Not just me.

01:27:59.420 Lots of others are doing the same thing.

01:28:01.600 But, yeah, at the end of the day, it would be most advantageous that every new protest we have at the legislative building brings together all those groups.

01:28:12.780 And you're right.

01:28:13.280 If they all came together and organized in Winnipeg, in Edmonton, right, in Victoria, right, if they did it in Yellowknife and they did it in Whitehorse, they did it in Anuvik and they did it in Toronto and Quebec City and Charlottetown and Fredericton, right, Halifax and St. John's, that would increase the numbers and would really start to frighten.

01:28:43.280 the leadership, because as long as we know how governments work,

01:28:47.360 they love the divide and conquer.

01:28:49.440 And that's one of their big modus operandi is divide and conquer the

01:28:53.100 opposition. And in this particular case,

01:28:55.460 they didn't need any help from them at all.

01:28:58.060 We've been doing it ourselves.

01:28:59.460 And so I think your point is well taken. 0.89

01:29:02.200 And I think the message should go out from this interview to anybody who's a

01:29:06.880 part of any of these organizations, stay with them,

01:29:08.720 but encourage them to get together so that we only have one protest.

01:29:12.600 Yes, if during the week you want to do different things, fine.

01:29:15.820 But if you're going out to protest, try to get together so that the numbers go up as a result.

01:29:20.560 And that will mean a better chance of changing this around.

01:29:24.560 Okay.

01:29:25.240 And here it is again for those who might deny what we just said.

01:29:30.600 There's my signature.

01:29:31.800 There it is.

01:29:32.380 That's on the original document.

01:29:35.280 That's awesome.

01:29:36.620 Brian, thank you so much for coming on the show tonight.

01:29:39.880 I really appreciate you taking the time.

01:29:41.960 I know you're a busy man, and hopefully we'll get you back again one of these days soon to give us an update on the lawsuit.

01:29:47.960 And good luck with that, by the way.

01:29:49.220 We'll be following your progress.

01:29:50.800 Yeah, and thank you, too, for inviting me.

01:29:53.300 Thank you for writing me and asking me to go on your show.

01:29:56.400 We did have some technical problems, and guess what?

01:29:58.360 You worked them out, and I didn't think you were going to.

01:30:00.680 So kudos to you.

01:30:02.320 You were right.

01:30:03.260 I was wrong.

01:30:04.500 And for that, I completely am at your service, and therefore I'll be available next time around.

01:30:11.960 Thank you very much, sir. We'll talk again.

01:30:14.180 Okay, bye.

01:30:15.160 There is Brian Peckford.

01:30:17.540 Wow.

01:30:18.000 The last surviving signatory of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms

01:30:23.560 in the Canadian Constitution.

01:30:26.440 90 minutes.

01:30:28.220 He's got a lot to say, and he is a great man.

01:30:33.220 And you know what?

01:30:36.600 I don't say this about many people,

01:30:39.420 but he's a new hero of mine

01:30:44.180 the man is 78 years old

01:30:47.020 and he feels so strongly

01:30:50.880 about this country

01:30:52.740 that he is willing

01:30:56.120 he's retired, he's been retired for years

01:30:59.160 he's living the life

01:31:01.540 in Vancouver, Vancouver Island

01:31:05.840 he doesn't need to be doing this

01:31:09.420 but here he is doing it because it's Canada and he's taking the time.

01:31:18.160 He's doing interviews like this every single day, seven o'clock in the morning.

01:31:22.420 He tells me he's up in the morning. He goes to bed at 10 o'clock at night.

01:31:25.420 And during those hours that he's up, he is doing something interviewing.

01:31:30.440 He's getting set for the lawsuit. He's talking to people.

01:31:33.280 He's doing public conversations. Wow.

01:31:37.000 inspirational so pleasure to have brian peckford on the show tonight

01:31:43.180 i'm going to give away a t-shirt from tacit investigations and security in just a second

01:31:50.900 you guys excuse me uh but first i want to get to some of these comments here

01:31:56.760 but you guys are just going too fast for me to keep up

01:32:03.560 yeah okay so uh no that's totally wrong uh somebody said we need more people like this

01:32:13.240 to come on the show and i absolutely agree so tomorrow night tanya ga from action for canada

01:32:19.120 she was on a few months back she's going to be coming on tomorrow night we're going to talk

01:32:22.860 about what the latest uh latest happenings with action for canada have been and i believe she's

01:32:28.680 involved with a court case as well going on out there in british columbia and now british columbia

01:32:33.400 They say they're removing the masks as of tomorrow.

01:32:36.060 All of a sudden this happened.

01:32:37.340 I'm not sure what pressure came upon Bonnie Henry and the government of BC to do this,

01:32:41.900 but masks will no longer be required in indoor spaces in British Columbia as of tomorrow. 0.97

01:32:48.980 And perhaps the vaccine passports could be going next.

01:32:52.400 Don't know.

01:32:54.100 But yeah, we'll talk to Tanya Gah of Action for Canada on the show tomorrow night.

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01:34:53.000 Tacit Investigations and Security, and I'm looking for a number between 10 and 20 right

01:34:57.500 now.

01:34:57.640 I'm going to write it down right now, between 10 and 20.

01:35:02.480 all right i just wrote mine down you don't have to be first you just have to be right between 10

01:35:13.320 and ronnie murray ronnie murray said no no no no no 19 so ronnie murray or was it rami

01:35:23.300 it went by so fast ronnie murray please send me a message in the next couple of minutes here on

01:35:31.160 facebook or you can send me an email shadow davis at gmail.com that's s-h-a-d-o-e-d-a-v-i-s

01:35:37.320 at gmail.com thank you to brian peckford for appearing on the show tonight and going 90

01:35:42.840 minutes really cool thanks for you or to you for sticking around so long uh that's it for the show

01:35:49.060 tonight i love you all i will catch you tomorrow night at eight o'clock central with tanya ga

01:35:54.840 from action for canada right here on the shadow at night live stream bye for now

The Shadoe Davis Show - March 11, 2022

Shadoe at Nite Special w⧸Brian Peckford Thurs. March 10th⧸2022

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