00:06:36.800Hello and welcome to the show, everybody.
00:06:39.040I want to get to one thing before we bring Tamara on tonight.
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00:08:38.020things from the same news story that has been going on in France for the past 12 days now,
00:08:46.560The protests continue. The left wing corporate media wants you to believe these protests are basically over the pension age in France being raised from 60 to 62, or maybe it's 62 to 64.
00:08:58.500But we know it's more than that. Have a look at this.
00:09:16.560okay there's that and then there's this now this was in front of Blackrock
00:09:32.040France headquarters in Paris watch what happens here
00:19:29.320You know, I've often wondered, I'm sure you've asked this question to your your legal team.
00:19:35.360How are they able how are these judges able to get away with putting these conditions on people when they're clearly breaching the Charter of Rights and Freedoms?
00:21:06.140I mean, do they even have a case, the government?
00:21:08.340Well, they seem to think they do. And that's just the situation, isn't it? I mean, we don't have a we don't have a justice system in Canada, we have a legal system, there's a big, big difference. So there's a lot of things that have happened in my case that the lawyers were surprised about. I mean, look at the first my first two bail hearings, you know, like, like I was both of those justices tore one strip off me, you know, up one side and down the other.
00:21:35.100and you know called me basically a menace to society and a danger to their community
00:21:40.100like really i'm five feet tall i'm a danger to no one yeah and i'm a grandma yeah so
00:21:48.500let's go back let's go back i don't mean to the day you were born but let's go back
00:21:53.740to 2019 before all of this started i know that you worked for the maverick party in alberta for a bit
00:22:00.900I'm not sure how long that was. I'm not sure exactly what you did, but were you a political
00:22:05.160person in terms of like getting out there and, and supporting candidates and working hard to
00:22:11.860get somebody elected? Or were you just one of these people who was like, you know, I don't
00:22:15.500like Justin Trudeau. No, I, I actually went out and got involved. Um, I sought out a local group
00:22:22.760in town here to, to, so that we could start, I don't know, protesting or rallying or doing
00:22:27.900something, start a letter writing campaign, you know, especially during the Bill C-69 and C-48
00:22:32.960times. And I met a beautiful group of people here. And then through that, the Alberta provincial
00:22:39.920election came up and I worked with our local MLA here and joined his campaign as a volunteer to
00:22:45.620help. And then, of course, the 2019 federal election saw Trudeau get reelected. And that's
00:22:53.760when i joined or became a volunteer with wexit and then we eventually morphed into the maverick
00:23:00.160party and i was on the board of directors but i've never like ran as a candidate or anything like
00:23:05.500that yeah but i mean let's just say that you're you're not into the political establishment no
00:23:11.900no you're just an activist and not even really an activist more of a volunteer so exactly it's not
00:23:18.880like you stood out from the crowd in any way before that not to say that you wouldn't stand
00:23:23.560out for other reasons but in this particular way it wasn't like you were you know being looked at
00:23:28.820as some kind of a problem or anything at all right not to my knowledge but not that i would know some
00:23:37.260other people might have it yeah exactly yeah no no i was never yeah i don't think so i mean i did a
00:23:42.320little bit of media here when we were having rallies and stuff like that and you know we did
00:23:46.420that little mini convoy i think if you remember in 2019 when united river all headed out there
00:23:52.020was a lot of communities doing local convoys and so you know i helped organize that local one also
00:23:57.320and did a bit of media there so but but overall no i was i'm just i'm a no one i'm just a just a
00:24:05.220woman from medicine hat that loves her country that's it yeah anymore you're not so when did
00:24:12.260you first realize this was a scam and i'm talking about the reaction the government reaction to this
00:24:19.100so-called pandemic because everybody's got a different story but when they first woke up for
00:24:23.280me it was like the second they said 14 days to flatten the curve I went what how are you going
00:24:29.840to flatten any curves in 14 this is at if this is a worldwide pandemic it's going to be longer than0.98
00:24:35.38014 days you lying sons of bitches right for me personally that's what that was and then I went0.99
00:24:41.560okay I got to dig more into this I had people sending me emails and I dumped jumped down1.00
00:24:46.500different rabbit holes and finally I went okay I know what this is now and things just became more
00:24:51.760clear and more clear what about you well I felt something wasn't right immediately because it was
00:24:58.160just fear porn 24 7 which I and I thought that was a bit over the top I mean you don't normally
00:25:03.240see stuff like that and um as it wore on and I've said this before in interviews everyone was saying
00:25:12.260the same thing and it didn't matter if you were like a full-on you believe that COVID was going
00:25:16.340to kill all of humanity or you felt that it didn't even exist everybody said the same thing
00:25:22.180and that was that something doesn't feel right and that was all of our collective intuition if you
00:25:27.880will right um and then as it progressed and the and the propaganda just got more and more and then
00:25:34.580we went from hey everyone vaccines are going to be ready soon we're going to get a bit to the
00:25:39.600most vulnerable first to take this vaccine or you're going to lose your effing job and you're
00:25:46.160not going to be able to see your family like it just went and i watched this almost like in slow
00:25:52.280motion happening this whole narrative you know it was unsettling and and um i just felt immediately
00:26:02.260like taking kids out of school sending people home from work you know did you talk to other
00:26:09.260people about it at that time or did you just something you kind of kept to yourself oh no i
00:26:14.660I mean, of course, at the office we were talking about it and my friends, my group of friends, we talked about it.
00:26:21.980I think everybody was talking about it constantly, honestly.
00:26:36.580And then the next one is when, you know, I remember here in Manitoba, it was funny because we got through the first two or three months of it.
00:26:44.660without really being impacted at all there were no cases in manitoba and i asked a friend of mine
00:26:49.600i said and i said this on the show last night i said well how come there's no cases in manitoba
00:26:54.680when there's cases in alberta bc and they're going through the roof ontario quebec what's going on
00:26:59.260here uh just lucky i guess but put your mask on and this was before masks were even a thing in
00:27:05.940terms of mandates and i thought oh my god this is a smart man who has been brainwashed he really
00:27:13.060believes yeah he really believes what's going on so was that the atmosphere that you were starting
00:27:18.700to to sense around you well there there was a few friends of mine that were and i'll and i'll be
00:27:23.840honest like even i was alarmed too at first because we just didn't know what was coming you
00:27:27.380know we're watching videos from china apparently with people just falling over and dying in the
00:27:31.620streets and getting like welded into their apartments and you know we saw some pretty
00:27:36.400crazy footage um there was you know a few people that were scared and wanted to stay home
00:27:42.080but the circles that I run in primarily people felt like something was up something didn't feel
00:27:48.460right and they were kind of watching what was happening with a lot of skepticism and
00:27:52.720some critical thinking skills so as we move along then I mean that's like March of 2020 and the
00:27:59.600convoy happens January late January of 2022 so between March of 2020 and January of 2022 what
00:28:08.760were you doing? I was actually living in Manitoba. You were here? I love yeah so my husband and I
00:28:16.520lost our jobs obviously with the shutdowns and the downturn and so we after they locked down
00:28:21.860Medicine Hat was a ghost town I mean a ghost town and so we packed up and went to visit my daughter
00:28:27.820in Manitoba and then ended up got there found out she was expecting came home and packed up stuff
00:28:35.800for a long stay and we ended up being out there for 19 months wow so you were here working on the
00:28:40.700farm yeah well you know they they live on a farm out there so we thought well we may as well go
00:28:44.620and be productive and you know be with family and you know other than we would have been cooped up
00:28:50.540inside of our house here in medicine hat this got us outside and you know so and it was great
00:28:56.500why did you lose your jobs well because of the restrictions because of the mandates that were
00:29:02.080coming in and then also there was a downturn in the energy sector and both of us worked in oil
00:29:07.040and gas at that time right thanks to justin trudel i don't think there was a downturn in the energy
00:29:11.840sector as much as there was like a uh a designed downturn in the energy sector at least as far as
00:29:18.260canada's concerned so you were here were you here when the convoy first started how did you get
00:29:22.460involved with these folks well and in november of uh sorry yeah november it just seems to me like
00:29:29.940if you're sitting on a farm in manitoba you're not even in winnipeg you're like three hours or
00:29:35.620four hours north of winnipeg i mean like how how would you have gotten involved with this thing
00:29:39.640that originated i think in ontario that's the first i heard of it with bridget there i saw her
00:29:45.120her telegram video and i went huh that's interesting i saw some slow rolls happening
00:29:50.560in manitoba and the very next day todd mcdougall from winnipeg alternative media called me up and
00:29:56.220said dude there's something happening there's there's trucks moving and or they're getting
00:30:01.140together in bc or alberta or something and you were here yeah how does that well no i we moved
00:30:08.040back to alberta in november of 2021 we actually both were offered our old jobs back as things
00:30:13.600started opening up so we ended up moving back in november and it's quite funny because we moved
00:30:20.220into this house a week before christmas and then um three weeks i guess after that is when the
00:30:28.460convent january 14th i believe was the day i started the facebook page in the gofundme
00:30:33.280i literally called chris barber on the 13th of january never met him before never talked to him
00:30:39.300before um and then that's how it started so i met chris for the first time when they came to
00:30:45.520medicine hat to pick us up to head to ottawa just so but how did you personally get involved in this
00:30:53.760i called chris yeah you did so a friend of mine sent me chris's video the one that he did about
00:31:00.000the shutdown on january 23rd of that year and it was funny because she sends me this video back
00:31:06.080when i had messenger and i watched it and i said well what do you think about a convoy and she just
00:31:12.500well it didn't really work last time and I'm like yeah you're right and then I asked another friend
00:31:16.560of mine from Manitoba actually I sent him the video and I said the same thing and he goes well
00:31:21.780I don't know kind of it's been done I'm like yeah and then I talked to Chris I had gotten Chris's
00:31:28.360number and I talked to him and yeah they've been talking about slow rolls or a convoy whatever
00:31:33.460and I just said okay well I'm in these are my skills what can I do to help you guys you're
00:31:41.620going to need money to get to ottawa you're going to need like places to stay you're going to need
00:31:45.840you're going to need social media and that's how i got involved so that's how you became
00:31:51.600one of the organizers yes per se right interesting because that's a lot of did you realize
00:31:57.880what you were getting yourself into here no and i certainly not to the length that you became who
00:32:05.160you are today when you say the name Tamera Leach people go wow or right as we talked about at the
00:32:11.900beginning of the show but I mean like what I'm asking is did you think that this was going to
00:32:17.000become as big as it did were there signs of that happening well there was immediately but not before
00:32:23.760we started um I this was definitely a case of you know did not see that coming um it was three days
00:32:32.360before we left medicine hat before I even decided that I was going to be able to go like I looked at
00:32:37.720my husband on Friday you know I don't know what the donations were at I think we were over a million
00:32:42.780dollars and um and I was already becoming recognizable at this point because I was
00:32:48.640doing these lives so that people knew or felt like they could know me and trust you know that
00:32:53.480i was going to manage their donations properly excuse me and um yeah i looked at my husband
00:33:02.600friday morning and i said i i think i got to go to ottawa and so you know that's yeah how that
00:33:09.220wasn't even planning to go what did he say well he agreed yeah sure you know yeah yeah yeah you
00:33:17.600know and looking back on it you know what what a thing like he probably had no idea how this was
00:33:25.840all gonna work you know like did you even know what you were like when because i know as the
00:33:33.500convoys were coalescing around the country from the east towards ottawa from the west towards
00:33:39.740ottawa from the ontario all points of ontario getting to ottawa did you even have an understanding
00:33:45.260at that point of where you were going and what you would be doing there well initially the job
00:33:52.700was to just to get there and you know chris and i talked about that on the way too like we
00:33:59.000there was a team on the ground thank goodness in ottawa that was getting infrastructure set up
00:34:03.340there and so you know you know the beautiful thing about the whole situation shadow is that
00:34:09.600it was honestly a bunch of strangers who just came together and made this work you know we
00:34:16.280didn't know anybody on that team in in ottawa but we just trusted that when we got there you know
00:34:23.020it was going to be looked after we had no idea you know i said to chris on the way we don't know
00:34:28.020what we're walking into like we don't know if we're going to get arrested we don't know if we're
00:34:32.100going to get shot i mean we you know neither one of us i mean i wasn't i was at parliament hill
00:34:37.420when i was six years old but you know that was quite a while ago so i had no idea what to even
00:34:44.440gonna look like you know yeah yeah and and the media was or the left wing i refer to them always
00:34:50.340as the left-wing corporate media or the marxist media they're not mainstream so they weren't
00:34:56.060talking about it at all even though we were monitoring you know people like myself and
00:35:01.040wayne peters from what's up canada and sean newman you know all these guys were monitoring
00:35:05.240we're watching what's happening as the trucks continue to cross the country and the convoys
00:35:10.440seem to get bigger. I went out to the Flying J here in Winnipeg to see you guys come past
00:35:16.240and I couldn't believe how many people turned up. They filled the parking lot, so they pushed you
00:35:21.880guys further to fuel up, I think, on the other side of the city. And we had the Hutterites down
00:35:29.180there feeding you guys with sandwiches and whatever else they had. And I thought, wow,
00:35:33.560if it's like this everywhere if it's as exciting as this in every port that these guys stop along
00:35:40.860the way this momentum is going to grow and grow and grow to the point where there is no way the
00:35:46.480government's going to be able to stop it and coming through winnipeg and i'm sure chris i actually i
00:35:55.400think he told you the same thing i mean that was astonishing the amount of people that were there
00:36:02.980and after we left saskatchewan you know we had a few conversations where we weren't sure what
00:36:09.820the support was going to be like the farther east we got you know what i mean and then when we got
00:36:14.980close to headingly oh my gosh like i it was one of the most beautiful sights i've ever seen and it
00:36:22.280went all the way around the city the perimeter there like it was it was amazing shadow absolutely
00:36:30.940amazing what was it like as you went further east the same you know i don't think i don't know i
00:36:37.700don't think we ever got the crowds that we got in winnipeg so i would definitely say that manitoba
00:36:41.440won all right but uh yeah um but it was so cold that day too i remember it was like minus 35 it
00:36:48.500was ridiculous it was and we were always late yeah always late but um yeah even as the farther east
00:36:59.220we got there was still like people and overpasses and along the highways and the towns you know
00:37:03.880it was it's such an experience so how did the leadership group tamara come together once you
00:37:10.660arrived in ottawa did you guys immediately go all right we're going right downtown then or was there
00:37:15.580some kind of a concerted okay no we're going to park out here and then we're going to get our
00:37:19.260bearings and make a plan tomorrow something like that well we uh met an arm prior so that's where
00:37:25.320i got to meet bridget for the first time was because she she'd beat us to earn prior so that's
00:37:29.700where i got to meet her for the first time and um um we parked all the trucks and on prior on the
00:37:36.020friday night and then went back and got them or those who stayed there obviously just got up and
00:37:40.800then we drove into ottawa the next day and when you got like all the trucks went in all at the
00:37:46.900same time yeah and this was with the help of what opp and ottawa police service yep yep okay so there
00:37:53.900was no barricades there was like was there ever any static from them at all was there ever any
00:37:58.180problems never at that point honestly the opp beginning to end were absolutely an amazing
00:38:06.080organization i don't have enough kind things to say about them so you got to ottawa where are we
00:38:12.920going to stay now right that must be am i staying in a hotel am i staying in the back of barbara's
00:38:17.420truck like where am I gonna sleep well my parents drove the pilot the lead pilot truck that that led
00:38:24.980the convoy from here to Ottawa so my mom had booked a room thank goodness and then we all
00:38:31.020ended up being I I don't know who was looking after all that stuff I just know that we got
00:38:35.000there and I had a room like I don't know who had all that stuff organized but it was amazing and
00:38:40.920you know because Chris and I laugh I mean we were in the truck together for like five days
00:38:46.560and some days it was like if we had five minutes to actually have a conversation it was a miracle
00:38:51.520because I was on the phone he was taking calls I'm doing an interview he's doing an interview
00:38:58.400you know what I mean people are calling to see how they can help I had the finance committee
00:39:03.940and the social media committee here I was dealing with and organizing things on the ground for when
00:39:09.140we got there so you know it was crazy we were really busy so how did it coalesce once you
00:39:16.400arrived in ottawa i mean did you take action yourself or were there other people who were
00:39:21.480saying all right this is what we need to do now yeah yeah there was tons and tons of people so
00:39:26.160we got uh well the first day that we got there we're really just on the hill talking to people
00:39:31.800and then we went back to our rooms and then a lot of these different organizations were all staying
00:39:37.000at the same hotel which was quite nice so you know we could have meetings all the time and discuss
00:39:42.060what we were going to do or what needed to be done um so for example the first weekend we got
00:39:46.680in there we were really worried about antifa coming out so and that's that's again the beautiful thing
00:39:52.840about the whole situation was that a problem would arise and we would just look after it or you know
00:39:59.140a job would come up where we needed somebody with a certain specific skill set and all of a sudden
00:40:03.740that person would walk through the door you know like it was it was just magic that way i have a
00:40:09.520specific set of skills liam neeson walked through the door uh so i wish so so when does tom marasso
00:40:18.140come into the picture because it's you and chris and i think pat king too and i do want to talk to
00:40:22.320you about pat at some point uh in the show here tonight because people have been asking why did
00:40:27.120you throw pat king under the bus and i don't recall you ever doing that i think there was an
00:40:30.980offhand comment you made uh that was caught on tape but i don't think that there was ever any
00:40:35.460intentional effort to throw him under the bus hey well you know well let's take care of that now i
00:40:40.420mean okay what is the situation with with pat king i know he's still under conditions i know he's got
00:40:46.440different conditions than the ones you have he can't speak at all right now but was there a rift
00:40:52.860in the relationship between the organizing committee or just between individuals and pat
00:40:58.980what exactly happened well you know pat is a pretty um controversial figure he likes to push
00:41:06.340buttons um i i was not friends with pat i didn't know him personally before the convoy
00:41:12.520and i did have concerns just because of his reputation um we did have a bit of a disagreement
00:41:19.280just prior to getting into ottawa where you know i requested that he just didn't come into ottawa
00:41:26.020period okay that's what i was talking about there that that one thing that was caught on video
00:41:30.000somewhere but i mean it just didn't sound to me like it was that big a deal no and it's not and
00:41:36.000you know what regardless of what anybody thinks about pat or pat's behavior he's not a criminal
00:41:43.100you know he did that guy did five months in jail yeah you know like and maybe he doesn't always
00:41:51.940you know use the proper articulation or you know he's a little hot-headed and emotional but i don't
00:41:59.000think he's a bad guy i don't think he has nefarious intentions you know he may go about it different
00:42:05.700but i he's just as concerned for canada as the rest of us i think i mean i'm not allowed to speak
00:42:10.860to him either you know yeah all of us are on the same side here and and something that you know i
00:42:16.500was talking about a little bit at the beginning of our conversation was you know when you get
00:42:21.020these trolls that insert themselves into online conversations and they're so bold online but then
00:42:26.180face to face they're not um you know you have people who are trying to create rifts within our
00:42:32.200movement you've noticed that i'm sure oh yes what message would you have to people like that
00:42:38.260well i think specifically tamara the ones the ones who are accusing you of being
00:42:48.640controlled opposition which i find funny oh i know it's all funny honestly shadow every single
00:42:55.360person that has been involved in this doesn't matter who you are has at one time been accused
00:42:59.940of being a plant or paid opposition or an agitator you know they said the same thing about
00:43:06.040tom razzo when he came in you know and tom's like one of the most trustworthy um integral guys i've
00:43:13.580ever met you know what i mean so you know i guess i guess my i don't pay attention to that stuff or
00:43:20.220i try not to with any sort of seriousness because you know in world war ii or world war one or any
00:43:30.000war they're all the soldiers on one side don't get along they all don't have the exact same
00:43:35.520ideologies and the exact same beliefs they put their egos aside and they get the job done and
00:43:41.600And I think that's what needs to happen at this point.
00:43:44.040I mean, the infighting is disappointing.
00:44:04.280I find that people tend to follow one figure almost religiously.
00:44:09.100whether it's on the other side like dr fauci or whether it's on our side you know they'll go and
00:44:14.460again i'm not bad-mouthing pat king at all i know he's got a or had a huge following before
00:44:19.720all of his conditions were laid out and he couldn't run his social media channels anymore
00:44:24.540but we can't in in my opinion put all of our eggs in that one basket and listen to whatever
00:44:31.420that person says as the gospel right everybody everybody is subject to questioning and if they're
00:44:38.180not that makes them untouchable and then we've got a whole new problem aside from losing our
00:44:45.080freedom now we're you know praying to this one person who's going to save us from everything
00:44:50.200and that's not the case either we all need to answer these questions and we all need to put
00:44:54.840our egos at the door i think and we all need to take responsibility i mean this country didn't
00:45:00.280get this way by accident right so i mean and i think i said that in my first speech at the hill
00:45:06.600when we got there you know Canadians have to take some responsibility for all this too because they0.50
00:45:11.640started taking little freedoms away little bits at a time and we just all sat around and waited0.99
00:45:16.380thought somebody else was going to fix the problem and this is a problem too that I'm finding
00:45:22.800there are people who watch this show every single night and I'm not going to say all of them I'm a
00:45:27.860very small percentage of them watch the show every single night but have never been out to a rally
00:45:33.280And I'm not saying that you absolutely have to go to a rally, but they've never really done anything like, you know, emailed an MLA or an MP or even a local mayor or city councilor or Reeve or anything like that.
00:45:46.980They just sit back and they're they're hoping for somebody who's going to come in on a on a white stallion and save the day.
00:45:52.520And we're the ones that have to do that. And what you've done is show incredible courage in the face of I can't even believe the immense opposition that you faced and the vitriol and name calling, not just from certain factions of our side of things, but from the other side.
00:46:10.400I mean, what was it like in your dealings with the left wing corporate media when you got to Ottawa?
00:52:39.480it's a dirty game isn't it tamara totally i mean were you shocked at the depth of the depravity
00:52:47.400of some of these people i mean you're coming in there as a naive prairie girl just trying
00:52:52.840to do good for canadians yeah and then you get yourself involved in this intrigue espionage
00:52:59.200crapola where people are going you stole the money and you brought bj dictator into the mix
00:53:06.780and he's a bad bad man that kind of stuff right and yes i i just think maybe you didn't realize
00:53:14.760exactly how bad these people can be and that's absolutely no crime because i'll tell you this
00:53:20.480i had bob leone on the show the other night formerly with the independence party of alberta
00:53:26.640and he told me some things about danielle smith and i went are you kidding me like these are the
00:53:35.440word she actually said to you in regards to the vaccine is killing people and all of that and so
00:53:41.240i'm awakened almost every single day when i talk to people i haven't spoken with before but i've
00:53:47.920been keeping track of through social media or whatever so for you this must have been like
00:53:52.760whoa how did things get so heavy so fast yeah this was great it it just yeah gained so much
00:54:02.040steam and you know there it's gonna happen in anything shadow there's always you know people
00:54:08.960and i've said this before you know there was organizations that showed up that like i don't
00:54:13.840believe anybody came to ottawa with nefarious intentions or you know for the most part um
00:54:19.880everyone went there well it's possible but you know what shadow i'm a nice person and i like
00:54:26.260to believe the best in people and unfortunately like we've just discussed sometimes it bites me
00:54:31.320in the butt but you know i i try to stay positive i try to be an eternal optimist and i try to
00:54:37.660believe in people until they screw me over yeah you know and after that's the point of no return0.98
00:54:44.500for me unfortunately well you know all i'm trying to say is that you know you go from living on a
00:54:49.700farm with your daughter and your granddaughter and your husband uh and and then you find yourself
00:54:55.440what 19 months later in a situation where there is so much backbiting and crap that's going on
00:55:02.340behind closed doors even as there is this incredible event the likes of which canada and
00:55:08.600even the world hasn't seen uh in years if ever and you're faced with some of these people who
00:55:16.660may or may not be trying to screw you over and it to me it just seems like wow just wow you know
00:55:25.440and it's almost difficult to believe it like because you just you don't think that that's the
00:55:31.620way these people are wired yeah well unfortunately when you get that many people involved in
00:55:39.120something there's always egos involved always right and was there a lot of that tamara was
00:55:44.280there a lot of because you know i mean pat king uh for all the good he does and all the you know
00:55:49.600the words he speaks and whatnot you know a lot of people sense that he had a little bit of ego
00:55:55.880and that he was trying to take control of things and you know maybe Tom was was trying to take
00:56:01.700control of things and it turns out that you were the one that people kept looking to probably not
00:56:07.620through your own actions but like was there any one particular leader or was it squabbling constantly
00:56:13.580or like no and there was it wasn't squabbling constantly I mean obviously there was differences
00:56:18.760of opinion um from time to time um for the most part you know we would just put that aside and
00:56:23.980get done what needed to be done it was cold there was people sleeping outside in their trucks man
00:56:28.880we didn't have time to worry about you know if so so and so's feelings were hurt that day
00:56:33.460so we just did the got the job done um um i lost my train of thought here now sorry0.97
00:56:41.600oh we were just talking about all of the the rivers of bullshit that yeah i mean0.87
00:56:48.080i was saying like i don't think that too i don't think anyone came there with nefarious intentions0.95
00:56:53.800but i do think there was people that showed up that came there to help but also to further their
00:56:58.960own agenda put it that way right or further their own brand you know um but at the end of the day
00:57:06.120i do believe 99.9 percent of the people that came to ottawa were were there to try and make a
00:57:13.620difference to support what we were doing and to try and get the government to listen to them
00:57:18.660yeah you know what was the day you were arrested what what what was the date
00:57:24.860february 17th okay so that was after the emergencies act was declared
00:57:31.220yeah did did you have a feeling that something was up that they were coming for you well we
00:57:38.340always had that feeling and we'd get like people would come and tell us of course there's always
00:57:42.480rumors right but I mean just about on a daily basis that we were told the police are coming
00:57:46.740the police are coming but towards the end after the emergencies act there was a obviously a ton
00:57:54.300of police officers showing up equipment showing up strange things started happening and we knew
00:58:03.120there was a good chance we knew there was a good chance that we could be arrested and so I had been
00:58:10.560I had been trying to get to the stage for a few days because I had something that I felt I needed
00:58:17.540to say, and I just couldn't get up there. So I did that video the night before I was arrested
00:58:23.080because we thought there was a good chance it could happen. We didn't know. And so I did that
00:58:28.760video the night before, you know, saying, you know, this is, you know, there's a good chance
00:58:33.180that I could be arrested. I don't want you to worry. I'll be fine. I'm not worried. And
00:58:38.440And I guess my key message in that was respect, you know, respecting each other no matter what.
00:58:48.100You know, Tamara, there are so many amazing comments that are coming in right now.
00:58:56.320As you were experiencing that, that moment, that feeling that the police were coming, the police were coming, they finally got you in the street.
01:02:39.900Like, what was her rationale? She didn't have to give one?
01:02:42.740I was too dangerous to be let out into society.
01:02:46.820And your charges were mischief and incitement, correct?
01:02:50.380Well, at that point, I was only charged with counseling to commit mischief.
01:02:53.740They didn't they didn't even add those other six charges until March.
01:02:58.080So at the beginning, Chris and I were only charged with counseling to commit mischief, which was funny because at that point, nobody had been charged with mischief.
01:03:05.620So how do you get charged with counseling a crime that wasn't committed?
01:03:09.900yeah that doesn't make any sense but we didn't break a window shadow we were standing like the
01:03:15.640protesters truckers all you know we're every day right out front of the prime minister's office
01:03:20.560it's right there on the corner nobody so much as broke a window or wrote on the exterior of the
01:03:28.340building like it's it certainly didn't look like france looks right now no did it no it didn't i
01:03:35.640I mean, those people outside of BlackRock headquarters in Paris today with the flames going and things are getting worse and worse and worse over there.
01:03:41.820You don't hear anybody over there being called racist.
01:07:05.400There wasn't any lawyers in that photo, but we were surrounded by lawyers.
01:07:09.060So that was the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms that had offered me the George Jonas Freedom Award.
01:07:16.940And so we had to go to court to actually have my conditions changed so that I could even attend that award ceremony because it was in Toronto.
01:07:30.140And they were kind enough to make it so.
01:07:34.220The crown prosecutor actually tried to have me thrown back in jail over all that before the dinner even happened for just agreeing to accept the award.