00:06:21.400joyce from richer all right let's bring on our guest for tonight beth martins beth is an author
00:06:30.160she is a stage four cancer survivor she is a podcast host she is a life coach she is an
00:06:36.000entrepreneur beth thank you for coming on the show tonight it's been too long since i was on
00:06:41.400your show i wanted to have you on sooner but we got you anyway so thanks for coming on tonight
00:06:45.660really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. It's absolutely lovely to be here. I thoroughly enjoy
00:06:50.740your work. Thank you, and I enjoy yours. First question I have for you tonight, the King Heroes
00:06:55.400Journey podcast. That is a cumbersome name, and I have trouble saying it even after the 78th time
00:07:01.640I've said it. What's behind that name? It's a long story. Can you take it? Sure. Go for it.
00:07:09.200So in 2015, my father passed away quite suddenly of cancer. He had been diagnosed, I don't know,
00:07:15.020more than 20 times in his life. And after he was gone, I realized that all of the little war I had
00:07:22.340inside myself that I wasn't even fully aware of that was going on with men, including him, of
00:07:28.480course, was not in fact with him, it was here inside myself. And so I began very quickly to
00:07:35.680heal from that once I saw it. That's why I call myself a recovering feminist, because I suddenly
00:07:41.560saw that all the problems in the world were not as a result of men that uh you know people would
00:07:47.820say oh it's the patriarchy and i really learned that it's the psychopatharchy that is to blame
00:07:54.240and that it's part of the psyop to take strong men especially down and out whether it's through
00:08:01.400hormones or through you know shaming them or trying to make them be women or all a whole range
00:08:07.300of things. But that was, you know, just a brand new vision for me. And I suddenly had respect for
00:08:14.080men in general. Now everybody, of course, is taken on their own merit. But then I had a fellow come
00:08:22.020through my door one night at midnight. I'm a night owl for anyone who knows me. And he had
00:08:28.960been diagnosed with cancer himself. And he said his doctors told him he was going to die. Two
00:08:33.220people in the same day recommended that he come to work with me. And this was actually while I
00:08:38.420had been working almost exclusively with women for 15 years in my coaching work. And so I talked to
00:08:45.520him for a little bit. He hired me the very next day. We began to work every day together for the
00:08:49.900next 30 days. After the 30 days were done, he emailed me and said that, Beth, you saved my life,
00:08:56.660which I actually don't take credit for at all. He did the hard work, came out the other side,
00:09:01.360and began to live for another two years by the way he did pass away but in the meantime he was
00:09:06.840so excited about my work that he turned around and offered to work with me he was a high level coach
00:09:12.340and he knew that I couldn't afford it so he offered me a $60,000 coaching package to work
00:09:17.720with him and I knew I was in the comfort zone so a few years later my mom passes away and things
00:09:27.120start to really go sideways I had been working with this fellow and I knew at that stage that
00:09:33.440things had really shifted the the I work with archetypes as I'm sure you know I'm great about
00:09:39.020that in my book and that's how I help my clients as well and so I saw that the archetypes had a
00:09:45.040lot more meaning than I thought they did and that it was really the hero's journey if you're
00:09:50.700familiar with it the way that Joseph Campbell set it out as a you know not only do we have
00:09:55.920certain kinds of inclinations and personalities and things going on inside of us. But the very
00:10:01.540journey of life itself is archetypal, meaning everybody's going through similar sequences and
00:10:08.980patterns and with similar goals, even if they're totally not aware of that. And so I started to
00:10:15.700develop a whole side of my business for men, which was brand new for me. And I was trying to
00:10:22.020come up with some kind of a you know a hinge for it in terms of like a name of something and I'm
00:10:27.780all about archetypes and I'm laying in bed at one at one night and the word king hero comes to my
00:10:34.060mind and I'm like king hero that sounds really good in terms of an archetype and really matching
00:10:40.800the stature of the men that I wanted to support and then I took it to my mentor and I said what
00:10:46.180do you think of king heroes and he's like no that's lame keep working on it and I'm like
00:10:50.120I think I'm going to stick with it. I kind of like it. And then I saw how the king hero and the hero's journey, possessive, right? That it's the hero's journey, not the plural hero's journey. And then so I just tacked on my king hero's journey. That's how that came to be. And everybody trips on it. It's really fun to watch in a way because my family's business had a name nobody could get. And here I am with a similar thing.
00:11:17.400but i'm so i'm so actually proud because i hear the word king hero all over the place now people
00:11:23.160are referencing it like it's a a thing so i'm pretty excited about that to have is king hero
00:11:29.340the destination on a journey no great question though because the journey itself there's no
00:11:38.060destination even though there are stations and you appear or you you do move through them
00:11:43.780you're not actually headed for some um you know height some end some finish line because as soon
00:11:50.200as you get to the finish line you're at the beginning again and that's how god keeps us
00:11:55.260humble right you never get to stop working i have to ask you because i'm i'm a big one for moments
00:12:02.680in life you know there's eye-opening moments that we all have and when your dad passed away
00:12:09.140and you began your transformation from feminism to a more rounded character what was that
00:12:17.680transformation like for you how long did that take was it immediate did it take a week did
00:12:22.720it take a month did it take an hour it's really immediate it's like you said that the moment
00:12:28.300right you go from seeing through an illusion seeing through programming and treating it to
00:12:34.720be real because it's creating all this experience and evidence out there in your life and the moment
00:12:40.000I saw the illusion of it that it was a big fat lie you know I had owned feminism I took it as my own
00:12:47.200I never thought oh I was influenced by the 60s and influenced by every woman that complained about a0.66
00:12:52.400man that's all I ever heard when I was a child and complaining about them even though they're out
00:12:57.100there supporting the whole family bringing home the breads but it's always something about their
00:13:01.360socks and the garbage and whatever was going on. And yeah, so when I saw through it, it really was
00:13:07.620immediate. It was like taking a box off my head and suddenly I saw differently. Did you feel silly
00:13:14.240after all those years of, I don't want to say man-hating, but feminism, like hardcore feminism,
00:13:21.240did you feel like, whoa, like I have to admit that I was wrong here and that's not easy for people to0.99
00:13:28.740do? It was a bit scary. In fact, I got an email today. I was messaging about the show tonight
00:13:35.000and the woman said, oh, take me off your list. I just noticed you're a recovering feminist and1.00
00:13:41.360I'm like, you're seven years behind. You haven't checked in for seven years because I've been1.00
00:13:45.160talking like this. But it really was a coming out. At that point, I had gathered an audience of
00:13:50.440pretty much nothing but women and was standing on my pedestal saying that women should take over1.00
00:13:56.000the world and it would would finally be a good place and then when I first came out I did a live0.99
00:14:02.020about my findings about myself just to get through that hurdle because otherwise you can build up so
00:14:08.340much tension and it's always been a flag of my work is authenticity because I really value that
00:14:15.380in other people and I came to see in my days when I was recovering from cancer that it's actually
00:14:20.960all that we really want from each other is to be real, to be able to be ourself and have someone
00:14:26.540else be ourself. So, um, you know, there, there, there was, um, in fact, the whole King Hero side
00:14:33.520of my work was a redemption project. I couldn't apologize to my father at that point. I couldn't
00:14:40.420go back and mend ways with other men that I had crushed in my life, but I could do this work and
00:14:47.180pay it forward and help men now so yeah i don't get too lost in those weeds but for sure that's1.00
00:14:52.500part of it and uh what is feminism exactly i mean i've heard so many different descriptions1.00
00:14:57.820and definitions i i can't keep track of it but i have heard some men come out notably justin
00:15:04.540trudeau uh seven or eight years ago when he was first running for office prime minister
00:15:09.300i am a feminist and it's hard for me to i mean this guy has been caught up in so many scandals
00:15:16.700it's clearly obvious he treats women poorly so for him to say that to me is an absolute lie
00:15:23.640amongst many other thousands of lies that have come out of his mouth but is it possible for a
00:15:28.860man to be a feminist and still be a strong king hero i think they kind of oppose each other
00:15:37.820actually to to be honest i don't i don't think you could do both now of course it's all definitions0.87
00:15:43.320So if you have your own definition of feminism, I mean, I appreciate women. I, I, and I, I'm a person who, you know, will judge based upon character before anything else. Right. Like I am, I don't care about skin color. I don't care about gender, sexual preference, none of that stuff. But if I were hiring for a position, it would be based upon the best person for the job, no matter who or what you are. To me, it wouldn't matter if it was a parrot. I wouldn't care. Right.
00:16:12.120Yeah, those were the good old days when people got hired on merit.
00:16:15.100It doesn't happen like that anymore.0.96
00:16:16.640Does that make me a feminist because I treat people equally?0.76
00:16:22.040Like the word feminism, it's a persona, right?1.00
00:16:25.400It's something that you have to put on.1.00
00:16:27.820And, you know, both of us, I could make up a definition right now of what a feminist is,1.00
00:16:32.600but everybody's going to have their own version of how they created themselves with this label.
00:16:37.520And, you know, a lot of it is virtue signaling, like what you're talking about with Justin Trudeau, he's trying to get the women's vote, because he knows that's popular, although he's way behind, right? That was popular before, in a way, in a different way.
00:16:52.000but yeah as a feminist I mean just just saying that you accept people as they are for who they
00:16:59.120are that doesn't make you a feminist you know whether you're a man or a woman that was very
00:17:04.300engineered division between men and women because the partnership between men and women is powerful
00:17:10.800and they know it right when men and women work beautifully together they can create much more
00:17:16.700than they would create on their own and that's why the family is a natural structure and women
00:17:21.500have particular roles. I came to love women's roles. And, you know, part of the thing about1.00
00:17:27.000King Heroes for me is that I attracted a whole bunch of women King Heroes living in this upside0.95
00:17:32.620down world. And I'm one of them, right? I'm the head of my household and everything has come down0.96
00:17:39.120to me if I don't do it. Like you were saying, you didn't get the pens, so then the pens aren't there
00:17:43.940and you got one. And so it is a sad inversion where we're all out of our strengths and women
00:17:54.660would bully the man into doing much more of the, say, household work and child rearing work and
00:18:00.140changing the diapers. Well, that completely waters down his masculinity in the process.
00:18:05.900And for a woman to go out and pound the pavement and make the money and be successful and be an1.00
00:18:11.240achiever and all that kind of thing. It waters down all of her superpowers. It doesn't mean that1.00
00:18:16.420you can't be both because here I am. And that's the ultimate because we have, as archetypes,
00:18:22.200we have the masculine and feminine right there inside of us. But the fact that I came as a woman
00:18:27.240is important. It's not irrelevant. We talked a little bit before the show about gender as if
00:18:34.320this is something that you can choose. And to me, that's an absolutely done deal. God decided and
00:18:39.440you're done that's that's you got a lot of choices a lot of free will going on but that's not one of
00:18:44.020them right right yeah toxic masculinity now i i threw that term out because i was looking for
00:18:50.640the expression that would come on your face and there it is right there it's like
00:18:53.440i i think it's a tool being used by the left and the globalists and it's all part of the larger
00:19:02.480agenda as you alluded to moments ago to break up the family the family unit can be a very strong
00:19:08.640unit and i think that's what our society is based upon and all of this division that has been
00:19:14.020created by government after government after government politician after politician after
00:19:18.700politician is all based upon i think destroying our society so they can replace it with what they
00:19:25.820think is something better which we'll get into in just a second but it's the same with the critical
00:19:31.700race theory being taught in schools right now when you hear toxic masculinity and i'm sure that's
00:19:37.560come up with some of your male clients in the past couple of years what do you tell them
00:19:42.160um i actually can't remember a client talking about it but when i think they've never brought
00:19:48.800it up with you they've never brought it up with me because i'm i'm not uh i'm not tuned in with
00:19:53.260it exactly and they may have been injured by it but yeah the hashtag itself hadn't come up but i
00:19:58.460i thought that about this one a lot and it's highly nuanced because in a world that has
00:20:04.600abused men very badly. Now, of course, women have been abused, so this is no competition. I'm not
00:20:09.940trying to say one over the other. But I actually did a reread of The Hero with a Thousand Faces,
00:20:16.180Joseph Campbell, before I was writing my book, just to, you know, re-familiarize. I read it a
00:20:20.120long time ago in my degree in anthropology, and wanted to go back to it. And I was horrified,
00:20:25.540actually horrified, because it's, yeah, it's full of the rituals that are designed to separate
00:20:32.440the um the boy child from the mother and to make them you know so-called powerful but really in
00:20:39.800essence what you're making them is dissociated right you're you're you're uh cutting them off
00:20:46.640from the most powerful connection that they can have for their first years that that basic security
00:20:53.340of having that bond with the mother and the father of course but by removing from the mother from the
00:20:58.980nurturance, then you're setting off all kinds of internal programming, all kinds of stuff is going
00:21:04.520to go into the unconscious, all of the fears, all the insecurities that that mothering, nurturing
00:21:10.500energy would naturally allay is going to go underground. And that turns them into kind of a
00:21:17.700warrior, especially if you're in control of them directing their behavior. So that's often how they,
00:21:23.920you know uh which of the groups is it i want to say not amazon but um shoot totally dropped
00:21:29.580slipped my mind here but how they trained the the male warriors to be you know as ruthless
00:21:37.380and and just killing machines as they are the military is all full of that as well
00:21:42.500and not so much anymore but uh right that's shifting and it's a new kind of abuse that's
00:21:49.400that's taking place exactly so yeah this this to me is really frightening what's happened and
00:21:54.680I did an experiment with my child for example he's a boy and my family would always tell me oh put
00:22:00.120that kid down you're gonna make him dependent you're his soother and I'm like I'm looking at
00:22:05.180my sister going like that's right I'm a soother I kind of hired myself for this job right now and
00:22:09.920as long as he needs that I'm going to give it to him we carried him for two years straight
00:22:15.320And at age two, he suddenly forgot who I was.
00:22:42.840And this is what we, you know, we were made to cry it out from, from like the first days, put off in a crib, you know, given a bottle full of poison, and in trying to make them be independent. It's just hideous to me, actually. So, you know, I'm much more about the nurturance of the boy child as as long as they need it.
00:23:04.900He was the one that always decided that he was done nursing or he was done diapers or could take the next step.
00:23:12.480I kept letting him decide when he was ready.
00:23:15.120What about the ones that don't ever just let go of the teat, Beth?