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00:04:23.280author of a book called what the hell is going on joins the show tonight his name is donald lee
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00:07:54.020why does nothing make sense how can there be a climate emergency when the climate has not changed
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00:08:31.200Hello, Donald, and thank you for joining the show.
00:20:46.440And that's when I started going, no, no, no, no.
00:20:49.100And that's when this show started, right around then, ironically.
00:20:52.540So you and I have came to the same conclusion right around the same times.
00:20:56.160But you had been looking at patterns all the previous three or four decades, as you pointed out, the ridiculous fiscal plan that was implemented by most countries, not just Canada, from the 1990s forward, the inflation that was up in the 80s and the interest rates and whatnot.
00:21:16.340So at that moment, did things start coalescing in your head and you came to the conclusion, no, this is something else altogether?
00:21:24.780Well, no, like things came together slowly in my head over time.
00:21:29.420As I, as I, what we call now going down the rabbit hole, right.
00:21:32.840Cause I tried to, like, I couldn't do anything.
00:21:35.080I find that, you know what, everything shut down.
00:21:37.320I thought, well, heck I'm going to go skiing. Right.
00:21:40.000I went to powder king to ski for a few days.
00:21:42.040And then the second day I was there, I skied Thursday and Friday.
00:21:45.260And then Friday afternoon, they kind of spread the word around it.
00:21:48.160Oh, the hill's going to close on Sunday. This was March, right.
00:21:51.940is about the third week of March 2020. We're going to operate the weekend, but then the province of
00:21:57.640BC is shutting down all the ski hills. I thought, what? This is utter nonsense. And since I couldn't
00:22:04.860do anything else, like a lot of us, we sat at home on our computer trying to figure out what was
00:22:09.100really going on. And you know, there had been, you're probably aware of this, right? And many
00:22:13.380of our listeners are probably aware of this. Like there had been rumblings beforehand. For example,
00:22:17.960I had because I was thinking of doing a cross Canada tour come about springtime and I talked
00:22:24.160to this guy I know down in Ontario he lives a little bit outside of the greater Toronto area
00:22:29.020and I said hey and he's a single guy and he guys has a house so I said hey can I come and kind of
00:22:35.280like camp out at your house you know can I use your house as a base of operations as I gonna you
00:22:41.540know do you know uh events and stuff and speaking in in the toronto and southern ontario area he
00:22:47.880said oh sure great because he'd actually he was actually retired as well he had spent his whole
00:22:53.560career working in the banking industry he worked for union bank of switzerland and he was involved
00:22:59.480in wealth management not in switzerland right in canada uh in the toronto area and was involved
00:23:05.180with wealth management and investments and like he he was involved in the financial industry
00:23:11.460Well, so when I talked to him at the very beginning,
00:23:14.500sort of end of December, beginning of January,
00:24:03.620So like there were some things like that,
00:24:05.440but like, hey, that just doesn't make sense.
00:24:07.680That doesn't fit what people are telling us.
00:24:10.920so when all this began were you starting at that point to start to recognize patterns and to see
00:24:18.680what was really going on when what was the first pattern because this is what we talk about in the
00:24:24.240book what the hell is going on the web of fraud that is enslaving everyone and how we can escape
00:24:28.560to freedom and it's available at amazon.ca it's one of the first things you talk about you talk
00:24:32.640about pattern recognition yeah because this is so important and i don't know why almost nobody's
00:24:37.660talking about it i did oh maybe a year ago i started hearing a few people on podcasts and
00:24:43.080interviews things like that start talking about it oh my book's too late somebody else is going
00:24:47.260to be okay with all my ideas right but no it just kind of died away i haven't heard anybody talk
00:24:52.080about it now for for a year or so but one of the first patterns was i could i had realized even
00:24:58.940before covid that you know when when governments tell you things that don't make sense they're not0.96
00:25:04.780idiots they're liars and now in the last three years how many times have you heard people say1.00
00:25:09.820oh these people are idiots how many times really oh well i mean that's the thing with government1.00
00:25:15.520i mean like i've i've always called them idiots no matter what was going on but this was a whole1.00
00:25:19.960different brand of idiocy this was you could ask the premier of manitoba uh and this is an actual1.00
00:25:28.280question that was asked of him are you using ivermectin as a treatment as part of a treatment0.98
00:25:35.240plan for covet 19 in any hospitals in manitoba his answer was well we'd like to thank mother
00:25:41.860nature and god for the rains that we've gotten in the last couple of weeks it's really helped
00:25:46.520the farmers out there to get their crops uh going and uh you know we had a drought for a while but
00:25:52.160i'd like to thank you for your question now at this point the questions were all via telephone
00:25:56.380So there was no follow up questions. And and the person could not stand up and say, wait a minute, you didn't even come close to answering my question. Right. So that was his answer to a question about one of the most used and successful drugs in the history of mankind.
00:26:11.440Yeah. And so there's a pattern, too, because politicians are trained to do this. Right. Never answer the question that's asked. Always answer the question you wish you had been asked.
00:26:23.680right right but i mean this one i mean like this one didn't have a bridge donald i mean there was
00:26:30.780i know but it's common it's very common it happens all the time if you would you call that a pattern
00:26:37.780of fraud yes that's lies so when someone does that they're lying like well why do you not
00:26:45.300address the question that's asked at all because you're lying like that's really the only reason1.00
00:26:53.020And so, and, you know, in various other things over the last couple of decades, I've said, no, these people are not idiots, they're liars. So I see this with monetary policy, for example. You know, when I see them doing things and I think, hold it, these guys know more about economics than I do.0.99
00:27:10.180like they know that you can't just print money to solve problems that is never a solution to
00:27:17.620any problem and yet that's what they've been doing since about the mid-1990s is just oh we
00:27:23.820have a problem any problem we'll just print money and then when of course the covid lockdowns came
00:27:28.300and and then that's what they did right every government's everywhere there's all stay home
00:27:33.640don't work nobody produce anything we'll just print money and give it to you and everything
00:27:37.820will be okay and that a child could see through this i mean if that worked then why the heck have
00:27:44.840i been working so hard my whole life so why don't we just print money all the time and i called up
00:27:51.580one of the few economists that i happen to know personally i called him up and i said hey why is
00:27:55.800not a single legitimate economist standing up publicly and saying hey guys this doesn't work
00:28:01.900You can't just print money, don't think everything's moved over.
00:28:06.460And he said, well, you know, almost all economists work for the government.
00:28:12.280Click, another light came on in my head.
00:28:15.300Of course, all the people that are given the government paycheck, they're going to shut
00:28:20.380up and do what they're told because they don't want to jeopardize their income.
00:28:25.820Nowadays, that goes for doctors, nurses, teachers, policemen, firemen, of course, everybody.
00:28:35.000But not only that, think about where would lawyers be in terms of their income if it weren't for the whole government apparatus of regulation and you've got to have a lawyer to do this.
00:28:48.340and a lawyer like if we could just solve problems person to person like maybe with the third person
00:28:54.180as a mediator or something if we could just solve problems simply and easily there'd be no business
00:28:59.820for lawyers they depend on it so the whole thing in the courts they all get government checks
00:29:04.740everybody then you know a few other pieces started to fall into my place of course in a place in my
00:29:11.080mind and one of them was this whole ridiculous nonsense about the universal basic income
00:29:16.560that clicked in my mind by the way that was discussed this past weekend at the liberal uh
00:29:21.240liberal convention out east they were talking about that it's going to be one of the platforms
00:29:25.280of the their next election campaign it's coming in and why it has nothing to do with efficiently
00:29:32.480delivering government programs that's governments have no interest in efficiency it has nothing to
00:29:38.000do with being kind charitable compassionate governments don't care about you has nothing
00:29:43.340to do with that what is it about it's about making everyone dependent upon the government
00:29:48.020so nobody will complain so this is ideology this has absolutely zero to do with your well-being
00:29:58.380my well-being only their well-being and what they actually believe in and it's about ideology and
00:30:05.780In this case, I would say in Canada, we're looking at a hard left, extreme left Marxist ideology.
00:30:18.480How did they make people knuckle under?
00:30:21.160Yes, I understand that most people are beholden to government in some way, shape or form because they're beholden to their employer who may be beholden to the government and whatnot.
00:30:29.520But seriously, was it just about fear?
00:30:34.720what what yes all of the above all of the above yet do you remember the term the slow march through
00:30:42.400the institutions no you've ever heard that term i don't think this this is what we call it whatever
00:30:50.660totalitarian ideology communist ideology marxist i'll give it whatever name you want all of the
00:30:56.940above man yeah all of the above this this is what it's about you slowly infiltrate kind of your
00:31:03.960your thinking your way of thinking your ideology through through over over generations
00:31:11.520into all of the institutions so like look what's become of education i mean i i was a teacher i
00:31:18.400i couldn't go back to that i i i couldn't work in that environment i couldn't be part of that
00:31:24.880what's going on in schools let me ask you let me ask you you were a teacher for how long
00:31:29.800uh almost two decades okay so let's say 18 years you taught did you see this pattern
00:31:37.280evolving through the school system i saw i saw this getting worse and worse but
00:31:43.000like it's let let me go back and i quote this in my book i've got a whole chapter on
00:31:48.340on what communist subversion is how it works it's based on on the book by this famous kgb
00:31:54.780defector yuri bezmanov who who actually uh lived out the the last part of his life in canada
00:32:00.940actually but so i i summarize his work work and the process of communist subversion in one chapter
00:32:08.460so that people can see how this is done he lays out four steps so and he says the purpose of
00:32:15.580communist subversion is to change your perception of reality to such an extent that despite ample
00:32:23.100evidence about the ideological subversion going on around you, you don't see it. And even if you
00:32:29.140do, you don't realize it's planned subversion. Thus, you're unable to come to sensible conclusions
00:32:37.060in your own interests and in the interests of your nation. And that is exactly the excuse that
00:32:43.740I would give for myself in almost two decades as a teacher. I didn't realize this was planned.
00:32:49.840you know i could see i could see like the attitudes of my colleagues like that was one of the few
00:32:56.520sort of conservative-minded uh teachers right there's not many it's a few but not many most
00:33:02.820of us what do you say the ratio is to uh conservative-minded teachers versus
00:33:06.920marxist-minded i don't like to use the word liberal because liberal and marxist are two
00:33:11.840different things yeah i mean yeah exactly i mean that the the liberal party of my youth
00:33:17.800or sorry the liberal party of today is exactly the the marxist party of my youth yeah like this
00:33:25.900this was the whole spectrum has drifted to the left this is part of the slow march of of marxism
00:33:32.380through the institutions and and most people didn't realize it didn't even see it and if they
00:33:37.160did they didn't realize it was planned like me like everybody it doesn't seem to be planned so
00:33:41.860i would say depends where you are in urban areas it's probably 90 percent kind of you know marxist
00:33:49.320thinking amongst teachers if you go to a rural areas it might be 70 or 80 percent did you see
00:33:55.200but all of our schools all of our universities teach these attitudes i know did did you see
00:34:00.740these teachers uh attitudes evolving or were these i'm having a little bit of trouble with
00:34:07.700Can you still hear me OK, Donald? I can. I can hear you. Good. That's good. All right. So did these teachers' attitudes evolve over time or did they stay the same, but a new breed of teacher started coming into the mix with that Marxist mindset already in place?
00:34:25.620Oh, I think more of the latter. And it really depends on what people's backgrounds are. And some teachers also, I'm thinking of one particular guy, and I finished up my teaching career in Peace River, right? So I'm thinking of a particular teacher in Peace River, who also runs a business on the side.
00:34:43.740and so like he understands about business anybody who's been involved in in in business and that
00:34:49.800sort of thing they get it right you got to have customers you got to serve the customers you got
00:34:55.900to like you know um but people who spend their whole lives in school and this is most teachers
00:35:02.960right you go to you know through grade one to 12 you go off to university and then you go directly
00:35:08.980from there back into school where you're teaching I mean your whole life has been in school and you
00:35:13.480really don't know much of anything else now this is a criticism of all of us really right we have
00:35:18.840become uh we have such division of labor in our world that's we're all specialized and none of us
00:35:24.800really um you know appreciate the value of the work of other people got a story about that for
00:35:31.340example i was working working shift work in the ammonia plant i was uh happened to be we rotated
00:35:37.140to the various jobs right i happened to be working in the control room that day and our superintendent
00:35:41.800came in and he'd worked in ammonia plants his whole life that this is kind of he was really
00:35:48.000good at it but it's really all he knew and um he was complaining about oh i don't know um he was
00:35:54.520complaining about the the accounting department or something like that and he said what do we need
00:35:58.640all these people for like the research department accounting people you could run this whole company
00:36:02.500out of an atco trailer we don't need these guys we're the guys here in production we we do
00:36:06.820everything right isn't that common and i thought really you don't you don't need the accounting
00:36:12.060department like you don't need anybody in management you don't need the marketing
00:36:15.260department somehow the whole product will just sell itself right like you don't need research
00:36:20.620you don't like you don't need any of these guys really said oh no you don't need everything is
00:36:25.740us we do everything you know so many people think that like the whole world is you would fall apart
00:36:31.180it wasn't for me and what we do and because they have no idea what other people do yeah and the
00:36:36.160same is true of teachers right and and unfortunately most of us think we already know everything and
00:36:43.500teachers are the same way most of them think they already understand i got a university degree
00:36:47.440and most teachers actually are not well educated and they think they are is there a certain ego
00:36:54.520to teachers do they feel as though they may be a little bit above other people in the same income
00:37:01.460range uh a little bourgeois maybe i don't even know if it's income range i mean could because
00:37:07.540you compare the income of a teacher to the income of your typical plumber and the plumber makes more
00:37:12.540money okay so it's more of a social thing then maybe teachers feel we're professionals right
00:37:18.380i mean professional people of all sorts tend to think this but i see this everywhere i saw this
00:37:23.740in school like so this has developed into into our culture more and more part of it is is that
00:37:29.880as the decline of religious faith, um, right.
00:37:34.220Which is, which has every religion, right.
00:37:37.740Tries to teach people humility, right.
00:37:41.420But, and now humility is gone. I mean,
00:37:44.200it got to the point where like even junior high school students, uh,
00:37:47.640I found more and more that they act like they know everything.
00:40:38.780it's part of a plan it's planned subversion so so yes everything that degrades the individual
00:40:46.660breaks it down and now we see this in this absolutely ridiculousness to the extent that
00:40:52.300this uh um i call it uh you know the the whole sexual thing has gone to so we get we get so
00:41:01.520many children now are are taught to be confused and all of us go through confused like every
00:41:08.000adolescent is confused about their sexuality right you know i i say i'm gonna write a book
00:41:14.300on sex sometime as soon as i understand it we're we're all trying to figure out sex and sexuality
00:41:22.000it's a hard there's a lot to it right there's you mean on the on one level it's very simple
00:41:26.980but it's very complex so um so yeah children are taught that oh you you know you're a boy you might
00:41:33.960be a girl you're a girl you might be a boy you know or something in between you're non-binary
00:41:38.360or something doesn't exist you might be a pussycat or a puppy dog you're like this is absolutely1.00
00:41:42.680bizarre this is destroying individuals destroying families destroying society that's step one
00:41:50.180of communist subversion okay step two he calls um so that step one is demoralization
00:41:58.300Step two, he calls destabilization, in which, well, there's many parts to it.
00:42:03.980I summarize it in one of the chapters.
00:42:05.480I think it's chapter three in the book.
00:42:09.100One of the things that we see going on very clearly in the whole Western world, but in Canada, for example, today,
00:42:15.660is that all of these, what he calls structures in society, have essentially been taken over and they have all become totalitarian in function.
00:42:25.320even though they appear on the surface still to have the structure of democratic structures
00:42:31.400they're functioning as totalitarian let me explain so what you do is you take over for
00:42:39.060example the colleges of physicians and surgeons they have in all of the professional associations
00:42:45.140in the last decade they've quietly morphed from being representatives of their members
00:42:49.660to being controllers of their members and it's happened with all of them it's not just the
00:42:54.780colleges of physicians and surgeons, it's the teachers and the nurses and the accountants and
00:42:59.000every single one of them. Jordan Peterson is being subjected to this political assault, really,
00:43:06.160by his own Ontario College of Psychologists. He's done nothing illegal, nothing immoral,
00:43:13.260nothing unprofessional. Yet his own professional association is trying to destroy him for political
00:43:21.040purposes this is exactly a political purge of everyone who will not go along with the lies
00:43:29.340the ideology and the totalitarian control i just read today article came out you know josh
00:43:35.480alexander that student in ontario okay well both of his parents are teachers they've both now been
00:43:41.600constructively fired they've been both been placed on um unpaid leave what do they call it anyway
00:43:47.660They've both been placed on leave. Why? Because they're Josh Alexander's parents. That's all.
00:43:55.880Well, it's if they don't trump up charges and, you know, they're under investigation by their own teachers association.
00:44:02.240This this is this is the professional associations used as control structures.
00:44:08.240And I call it social terrorism because, see, what they're doing to Jordan Peterson or to Josh Alexander's parents or to thousands of other people in Canada who aren't famous and don't hit the news.
00:44:21.700Right. They're just isolated and destroyed.
00:44:24.180And everybody sees that happen to one person and everybody else just goes along.
00:44:29.160You only need to do this to one person in a thousand and the other nine hundred and ninety nine will shut up and do whatever they're told.
00:44:35.760yeah we found that out with the freezing of the bank accounts right yep that's exactly what0.65
00:44:40.760terrorism is all about when when i worked in pakistan for example there were like the um
00:44:46.840uh the pakistani um um what do you call it the um anyway the the secret police no no no no they0.84
00:44:58.520create like the um i blame it on my white hair see all my brains have come out into my hair0.89
00:45:04.420turned it white that's beautiful though man
00:45:06.360uh no what are the what are the guys called in afghanistan um
00:45:12.320the guys who run the government there now oh i can't remember the names of the government in0.50
00:45:19.440afghanistan but they they're they're a dictatorship are they not yeah yeah these crazy0.94
00:45:24.600muslim guys right um they had that like the same same group was in pakistan and like they would go0.98
00:45:30.920around and conduct acts of terrorism. For example, one time I was teaching in Lahore, which is the0.98
00:45:36.880third largest city in Pakistan, and we had a tour. Pakistan is divided into various,
00:45:44.900I can't remember now whether they call them provinces or states, but each province or state
00:45:50.160has a governor, like the United States has governors in each state, right? So we had a tour,
00:45:55.620And so Lahore is located in the Punjab province.0.64
00:46:32.200There was about, I don't know, six or 10 of us or so.
00:46:34.780We had a little tour of the governor's mansion in Lahore.
00:46:37.620And about a month later, we met him, you know, had a chance to chat with him a little bit, nice enough guy, it seemed.
00:46:42.680A month later, he was assassinated by one of his own bodyguards who the Taliban, the Pakistani Taliban, had managed to convince to assassinate, to murder his own boss, employer and friend.
00:47:01.020And so then that strikes terror into everybody.0.78
00:47:04.860Anyway, this is this is the purpose of terrorism as a tactic, is that you strike fear into thousands of people and make them do exactly what you want.
00:47:16.260So that's what government against people like Josh Alexander's parents and Jordan Peterson.
00:47:21.840That's what these attacks are all about.
00:47:23.560So government and government institutions and even police forces are actually terrorists.
00:47:29.900They have become that. I mean, what I mean, all of us have seen this.
00:47:33.080Most people don't want to accept this, but when I see, as we did a little over a year ago in Ottawa with the trucker's convoy, when I see RCMP members running down a handicapped grandmother with their horses and later laughing about it, the RCMP is finished as far as I'm concerned.
00:47:59.780the worst thing is that you have canadians thousands of canadians if not millions
00:48:06.300cheering that kind of practice on though it's good you know i mean how many people have you
00:48:12.680heard try to vilify uh people like tamara leach and chris barber pat king because they were fighting
00:48:19.620for the freedoms the very freedoms these people uh are enjoying right now and mocking yeah that's
00:48:26.620that's that's part of communist subversion or totalitarian subversion or nancy's of color
00:48:31.780whatever it's subversion this is exactly part of it you get people fighting amongst themselves
00:48:36.520and this our mainstream media does this it's our mainstream media is not about news it's not about
00:48:42.160information it's become just like pravda was in the in the soviet union it is the propaganda arm
00:48:48.480of the government or of the deep state or whatever this is so so that they actually foment this
00:48:55.780angry these people are driven on by the mainstream media and by the official social social media
00:49:02.140to hate each other to wish death on each other and the interesting thing is that you know you
00:49:09.680look at the as you call them the mainstream media i call them the left-wing corporate media they have
00:49:15.140that standing that official standing that people go oh well you know you can't believe it until
00:49:20.520you see it on the cbc and the government right even though these are just people you know mps
00:49:26.960mlas whoever they're just people they put their pants on the same way but now they're an mp which
00:49:32.560means they must know something you don't know and they're official they're government official
00:49:37.720when we take all of those you know accoutrements away from them they're just like anybody else
00:49:44.820and they're spouting bs and that's why i keep saying to people look stop chasing around the
00:49:52.500left-wing corporate media to get your story on there because it doesn't matter fewer people than0.96
00:49:58.300than ever before are tuning into that crap in the first place and more and more canadians are0.89
00:50:04.280starting to tune into the fact that our government institutions are being wrecked and they're being0.99
00:50:09.560wrecked by elected officials and bureaucrats you didn't elect yeah so we need to stop putting this
00:50:17.040reverence on those two institutions and start speaking to them on more uh equal standing as
00:50:23.660far as i'm concerned as long as we're talking about yuri bresman off here donald and and by
00:50:28.280the way i guess if you guys are just tuning in donald lee he is the author of what the hell
00:50:33.380is going on it's available at amazon.ca we'll flash up the page uh in just a couple of seconds
00:50:39.320or at least before the show is over tonight so what is uh phase three and four of yuri's
00:50:45.460communist takeover plan okay so um as i said uh the the first step demoralization takes at least
00:50:55.000one generation and it's been going on for at least three in the western world and and our society has
00:51:01.940been essentially uh demoralized and torn apart uh adequately and just as a quick aside when did
00:51:10.060this first start when do you think it first started was it rock and roll no before that
00:51:15.360before that the soviet union started it a comprehensive efforts to uh to spread communism
00:51:25.060all over the world basically as as soon as they um established their control in the soviet union
00:51:31.460you know what you're right 19 well actually 1919 the winnipeg general strike there were a bunch of
00:51:39.060people in the winnipeg general strike who were pushing uh communism yeah death to the king and
00:51:45.840all of that and they put that down back then but that was definitely and people don't know that
00:51:51.860you know they talk about the winnipeg general general strike like it was a good thing but that
00:51:55.380was based upon subversion communist subversion ironically you know not to benefit the worker
00:52:03.220it it's not ironic there is it's yeah so um yeah it's been going on for a long long long time before
00:52:10.720rock and roll interesting okay so let's move on to phase three and phase four now yeah and and in
00:52:15.480the book of course i i do lay that out um i have the uh like the first chapter deals mainly with
00:52:21.220kind of how we can understand what's going on in terms of the spiritual war. So the first chapter
00:52:28.920and the last chapter really focus mainly on the spiritual aspects of this war. The second chapter,
00:52:34.080it gets into the philosophy, like how did this philosophy come? Because, you know, as the great
00:52:40.120economist, I believe he's the greatest economist of the 20th century, but nobody's even heard of him,
00:52:44.720not even most economists, Ludwig von Mises said, the fate of civilization rests upon the ideas
00:52:54.240that motivate the masses. And that's exactly why this whole Marxist subversion has attempted
00:53:01.160to get its ideas infiltrated into the masses of people. And Marxism has become, unbeknownst to
00:53:08.820most people the default philosophy of the world that's what we think of but most of us don't think
00:53:15.400about philosophy and so you know we don't realize that we have imbibed that kind of philosophy but
00:53:21.360anyway we certainly don't realize that it's marxism yes do we because if if we knew that
00:53:26.380it was marxism we go wait a minute this is bad we we don't because marxism in my opinion is
00:53:32.200completely against the human spirit absolutely it moves completely in the opposite way
00:53:38.820Absolutely. Let me ask you, we talk about a little bit about the mass formation psychosis that people experienced and are still experiencing over the past few years.
00:53:50.200You want me to finish steps three and four before we go on to this?
00:53:53.820Yeah. OK, sorry. I just I got I want to pack in everything. And I know that, you know, people have only got a limited attention span. So anyway, please.
00:54:03.060Okay, so step one is demoralization, the kind of terror society part. Step two is destabilization, where you essentially take control of all of the structures in society. That has basically happened. Every level of government, all of our professional associations, all of our institutions, the education, universities, etc., they are all essentially captured and controlled.
00:59:12.000I think it's a bunch of people never heard it.
00:59:16.500you ever hear of Boyd Anderson guy called Boyd Anderson is he a hockey player he used to be
00:59:23.100he used to be but he wrote a fantastic book that has everything to do with this you should pick
00:59:31.180it up one of these days I had him on the show so much uh it's called trumped uh it's it's got
00:59:38.460some numbers and letters I can't quite remember the entirety just look up Boyd Anderson just put
00:59:43.520that into a search engine and his book will come up and he's got a hell of a story and he lived it
00:59:48.520let me ask you this don donald um this mass formation psychosis that have been has been
00:59:57.640talked about for the past couple of years how is it that some of us have been able to
01:00:05.020get past this and never even get taken by it at all yes um most of our listeners are have probably
01:00:12.820heard this term and it it comes from i think this is a very important um idea and it is a theory of
01:00:20.500course okay this is this is not material fact this is this will be another pattern actually you guys
01:00:26.780he's going to talk about another pattern there's certain types of people who who manage to just
01:00:31.740completely ignore and not get taken in by the mass psychosis it's interesting yeah yeah so uh
01:00:37.960Professor Matthias Desmond, he's a professor of psychology in Belgium, and this is his area of specialty.
01:00:44.320One thing I'll say, though, and I have made the mistake in the book of using this term mass formation psychosis.
01:00:53.300And after the book went to press, I heard him in another interview say, I don't know where this term psychosis came on.
01:01:01.520Like, that's not that shouldn't be there.
01:01:03.500Psychosis is something very different.
01:01:05.420he said it's not mass formation psychosis it's just mass formation so um yeah unfortunately
01:01:12.600that error also occurs in the book in numerous places but it's yeah so it's not a psychosis
01:01:18.260it is is a because and i'm not a psychologist but i think that a psychosis is really is a
01:01:27.040an individual a psychological phenomenon whereas mass formation is a group psychological format
01:01:35.060It can't happen with just one person. It happens in a group. And it comes out of the study of crowd behavior or group behavior, because we behave differently in groups than we do as individuals.
01:01:50.460Well, there are leaders and then there are followers, right?
01:01:52.780Oh, but it's more than that. It's much more than that. And I use the example because I've been going around and speaking to various freedom groups. And by the way, if I'm moving soon into Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario, so if you're from any of those provinces, and you'd like me to have come to, you know, to speak to your freedom group, then please connect with me on my website, cominghomespirit.com.
01:02:13.800love to love to do that so um for example a group of boys will do things that none of the boys would
01:02:23.220have done individually now shadow you were probably a perfect angel when you were a boy
01:02:29.800but i remember doing things around fort saskatchewan where i grew up with other groups of
01:02:37.680boys that I would never have done on my own. And even as a kid, I remember thinking afterwards,
01:02:44.740why did I do that? You got goaded on by your buddy and he got goaded on and it goes up a level,
01:02:52.380up a level, up a level. Yeah. It doesn't even involve goading. It doesn't even involve daring
01:02:57.480necessarily. It's just like you do things, right? Somebody does them all like that's neat. And you
01:03:04.740go along and you end up doing things and yeah it's it's we we behave differently in groups
01:03:10.860and that's the kind of kind of study of that sort of behavior that has formed the basis of this
01:03:17.780understanding of mass formation so in terms of so we maybe we won't get into kind of how that works
01:03:23.880but in terms of who doesn't get sucked into the mass formation now matthias desmond says that
01:03:32.400from one case to another, because there are many, many historical cases of it, right? And it's
01:03:37.600happening right now. Went on with COVID, right? It's gone on with the climate fraud and all of
01:03:42.220these things. All of them are involved in mass formation. So what happens is that about 30% of
01:03:49.780people drink the Kool-Aid, right? They're taken in. They're convinced that this official narrative
01:03:57.280is right. And they follow, they do what they're told. Another 30% realize, hold it, this doesn't
01:04:03.380make any sense. This is crazy. And they speak up against it. These are the rebels, right? You and
01:04:08.920me and probably the people listening. We're the rebels. We speak up against it. But Matthias
01:04:14.820Desmond says, the thing is that this group of rebels is a very non-homogeneous. There's rich
01:04:23.220and poor and young and old and men and women and urban and rural and professionals and
01:04:28.920And they have never been able to come together as a unified group.
01:04:33.720And then the other 40% of people, they're not sucked in.
01:04:39.460They're not hypnotized, but they go along, right?
01:04:43.620They don't speak up against it, right?
01:04:45.360They get the shot because, oh, they want to go to Arizona or they want to visit their
01:04:49.160grandchildren or they want to do this or, you know, they don't want to get fired.
01:04:52.460They go along with it, even though it doesn't make sense to them.
01:04:55.800So Matthias Desmond says, if the 30% of rebels could come together as a unified group and pull with them the 40% of the fence sitters, he said the whole process of mass formation would collapse.
01:05:13.000And that's part of what I'm what my book is about and what going around speaking to freedom groups is to help the 30 percent of rebels come together as a unified group so that we can engage in unified action.
01:05:26.680And then so then the other thing to your to your question.
01:05:29.260Sorry, I've kind of beat I've gone around.
01:05:30.920No, that's fine. That's fine. Go ahead.
01:05:32.300To answer your question about who doesn't get sucked in, he said it's impossible to tell, but he said there are some characteristics of people who don't get sucked in to the mass formation.
01:05:44.800And he said, one is people who are very close to nature and who have a close connection with the land and with nature.
01:05:54.340A second is people who have a very close network of very strong personal connections, connections to other people.
01:06:03.620And thirdly, is people who have a really strong, you know, spiritual connection, a connection to their faith.
01:06:10.720And what I see in this, the pattern or the commonality that I see in this,
01:06:15.440is that these are people who are connected to reality.
01:06:19.820You see, and I talk about this a little bit in our book.
01:07:05.840As I say in my book, who are you going to believe?
01:07:08.340we can't even believe the data because it's corrupted like how do we believe you all we can
01:07:13.280do is walk outside the door and notice that there is no climate emergency well interestingly you
01:07:20.180know if you've just made a me think of something if you walk up to a hundred people wherever and
01:07:27.640ask them what is your definition of climate change or what do you think is the worst thing that's
01:07:32.540going to happen with this climate emergency they would all probably come up with a different answer
01:07:37.840no problem maybe because you're right well there's no clear definition of it i mean you you can't
01:07:44.300really and that's that's the problem with it it's so widespread in so many different that's the
01:07:51.280benefit of it from their perspective well right from there never be nailed down yes yes and that's
01:07:58.680the way it is with covid and that so many different layers and and you're right so all of these
01:08:04.780different mass formations all of these different uh crises that have been befallen us for the past
01:08:12.500few years you can never really get to the bottom of you can never point at one person and say
01:08:17.820you're responsible and everybody conduct responsible or everybody conduct responsibility
01:08:23.380because they were only following orders yeah oh just like a peer peer trudeau baby trudeau
01:08:32.240recently said he said i like i didn't force any i didn't force the mandates like you're not the
01:08:38.320only one i mean other political leaders and and uh well fauci said this public health officials
01:08:43.940have been saying the same same sorts of things over the last year so oh i didn't force anybody
01:08:49.220yeah yeah and you wonder how they can say let me ask for your opinion about people like justin
01:08:56.480Trudeau when he says that when he said I never forced anybody to get any vaccines or I never
01:09:02.680insulted Canadians like he said yeah he's reading does he believe what he's saying
01:09:09.000do you think I have no idea I have no idea what he believes but but it's quite obvious
01:09:15.940he's reading from a script he's not making any decisions he's not setting any policy
01:09:21.800All of these policies are coming from some level higher than the level of national governments, because we see that the same policies are brought in everywhere.
01:09:31.560Bill C-11, which just passed, it's almost identical to things that are included in the United States.
01:09:41.440So they're calling it like the anti-TikTok bill or something like that.
01:09:46.240You know, it's the same kind, almost exactly the same language and the control mechanisms over, you know, independent speech and what we do on the Internet.
01:09:57.700They're all included there. And Australia, New Zealand and Great Britain, like every place has passed almost exactly the same legislation.
01:10:05.460It's the same policy. And from the chapter on, you know, what's really how is the world really being run?
01:10:12.840Right. All of our national governments and provincial provincial governments have become policy enforcers.
01:10:20.100They don't make policy anymore. They just enforce policies that come down to them from a higher level.
01:10:27.560Isn't that interesting? Yeah. And this this is exactly the way that the one world government will operate.
01:10:34.440So, I mean, the same thing happened in Germany in the 1930s, for those who remember their history of that time.
01:10:41.120right i mean hitler was elected yeah and then and then his own agents like the he burnt down
01:10:49.840the parliament building then blamed the communists and then use that to round up all the communists
01:10:54.400and destroy the communist etc and then because of the emergency right he passed uh emergency
01:11:01.880legislation that gave the cabinet the power to pass legislation now once cabinet had the power
01:11:11.040to do that parliament was irrelevant and it was beautiful the parliament german parliament
01:11:15.800continued to meet in the theater yeah but it was all just theater because after after hitler passed
01:11:23.100back he was dictator now technically was cabinet but he appointed the people in the cabinet so the
01:11:29.020same thing happened here though during the the emergency parliament became irrelevant they all
01:11:34.420voted to shut parliament down and all decisions were made from trudeau and his cabinet yeah or
01:11:39.360the higher source above him? Well, three years ago, I started calling Canada the dictatorship
01:11:45.340of the Privy Council. But only later did I realize, no, it's not even the Privy Council.
01:11:50.380These things are coming from somewhere above the level of the Privy Council. But yeah, we went for
01:11:54.800two years without a federal budget. I mean, this is arguably the most important function of
01:12:01.040Parliament, is to control government spending. So there's no budget for two years. And what happened?
01:12:05.800We doubled and maybe even tripled, uh, you know, government spending in one year and they have no
01:12:13.300idea where all that money went and they don't care. Yeah, that's right. So in your book, you
01:12:19.860talk about how we can come out of this and I don't want to give the entire book away, but can you
01:12:23.960give us a brief summary of what we can do? And you did mention a little bit about, you know,
01:12:30.180the 30% of us try to influence the 40% in the middle. And that's something I've been saying
01:12:35.620kind of like something i've been saying for the past couple of years but what do we need to do
01:12:41.440donald yeah and don't worry we don't have time to go through the whole whole book i struggled with
01:12:46.160this for months when i said how do i put together some kind of a presentation for freedom groups
01:12:50.200that you know that it's also important that you know i got to get up there and just say it's all
01:12:54.720good i'm just going to read you the whole book i can't do that so it's very hard no we're not
01:13:00.380going to cover everything in the book almost every chapter ends with a little section called what you
01:13:04.800can do now. And I give lots of both general ideas and specific ideas on what every single person
01:13:11.480can start to do to push back against and defend themselves against each of these different frauds
01:13:17.780that are all campaigns in the fifth generation war. But we're being attacked on all levels of
01:13:23.620our being, body, mind, and soul, right? So this is on the levels of our bodies, the physical level,
01:13:29.480this is fifth generation warfare. On the level of our minds, this is mind war. This is beyond
01:13:37.200psychological warfare. This term mind war, unbeknownst to me, before I started researching
01:13:42.020this, because I was a band director. What would I know about mind war and fifth generation warfare?
01:13:46.940I had to learn something, as all of us have to learn something, because it's being used against
01:13:51.320us. This is mind war, and we're being attacked. Our minds are being controlled, and it's the
01:13:58.880First principle of mind war is if people had any idea that you were controlling their mind,
01:14:05.240they would take steps to stop it. So they can't know. You have to make sure that you conduct your
01:14:11.360mind war in such a way that nobody even suspects that their minds are being controlled. And all of
01:14:17.280our minds are being controlled. And we mentioned one of those simple ways, right, through our
01:14:21.620mainstream media and the control of social media, you know, getting people to fight against each
01:14:25.480other and hate against each other. How many people have said, oh, you know, Trudeau should be hung or
01:14:30.700whatever, this hatred against Trudeau or against, no, no, this is part of the mind war to drag us
01:14:36.500all down into that level of consciousness that is fear and hatred and anger and vengeance.
01:14:43.700That's part of the plan. So the big thing is it's spiritual warfare. And I talk about this,
01:14:51.360of course, in my book. And almost nobody seems to really understand the nature of spiritual warfare
01:14:56.960and, you know, what we do about it. But a spiritual war is always fought within. This is key. We are
01:15:06.720not fighting really against anything outside of ourselves, not against Trudeau, not against
01:15:12.260Klaus Schwab, not against the Illuminati, not against whoever else you think we're fighting.
01:15:16.040No, that's not the real battle. The real battle is the battle of good versus evil within ourselves and to generate the courage within ourselves to stand up to evil and lies and fraud in our own lives and to speak out against the lies on all of these levels, in all of these frauds.
01:15:38.920to have the courage to say in your place of work or to your professional association, no,
01:15:43.820that's a lie, and I'm not going along with that. To your police, to your whatever, your boss, no,
01:15:50.720that's a lie, and I'm not going along with it. So this spiritual battle is to keep our own
01:15:57.820consciousness in the consciousness of love and not be drawn into the consciousness of anger,
01:16:04.820hatred, vengeance, fear. The two great spiritual dichotomy, the two ends of the spiritual spectrum
01:16:13.720are love and fear. And those of our listeners who are Christian know that only love conquers fear.
01:16:21.920Perfect love casts out all fear. And we must keep ourselves in a consciousness of love.
01:16:28.040that's that's the real i'm convinced that if we can win this war on the spiritual level
01:16:34.440we'll win on every level so i guess we can all get in touch with our
01:16:41.020own spiritual being in our own ways right it's not like you have to go to church
01:16:46.280uh every sunday it's going to be up to you you find your own private idaho and go there
01:16:51.680and strengthen your spirit i even have a little book to help you if you want it's called the
01:16:56.440Band Directors, Pocket Guide to Spiritual Growth.
01:20:36.740I really appreciate you guys helping this page, this Facebook page, this show get to over 50,000, 50,000 followers in the past couple of days.
01:20:49.080I would really appreciate your continued support in getting this show out there because the more people we can reach with messages like this, like Donald says, we can get to that 40%.