The Shadoe Davis Show - Shadoe at Nite Thurs Nov. 23rd⧸2023： WIth Author Dr. Regina Watteel

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00:00:59.980 everybody good evening welcome to shadow at night it's thursday november the 23rd 2023 and we have

00:01:06.840 a special guest on the show tonight regina watil is an author of a brand new book out there now

00:01:13.840 it's called fisman's fraud the rise of canadian hate science here it is right here it's been a

00:01:20.980 number one bestseller on amazon for the past couple of months or so not couple of months

00:01:26.400 couple of weeks or so, and she is going to be on to talk about this book. And what made her write

00:01:32.720 it in the first place? She told me this story the other day. I found it absolutely fascinating

00:01:37.700 that she was angered enough after going through all of these statistics, some fraudulent, some

00:01:43.600 not. And then the modeling put forward by Dr. David Fisman of the Ontario Science Table

00:01:49.980 and the repeated attempts to get somebody to notice the fraud and then finally writing the

00:01:59.620 book it's a great story and you're going to catch it in just a couple of minutes the show is brought

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00:04:13.060 cochran bailey 242424 is watching in regina tonight all right let's bring her on right now

00:04:24.540 here is regina watil who is the author of the brand new book called fisman's fraud the rise

00:04:31.540 of Canadian Hate Science. Welcome to the show, Regina, and thank you for coming on tonight.

00:04:37.860 I was absolutely fascinated with our conversation the other day, and I want to pick that up

00:04:42.380 at some point tonight. But first, we got to get back to the beginning. Could you please

00:04:47.440 tell the viewers exactly what your background is, who you were before this pandemic, and

00:04:54.800 eventually we're going to get to why you wrote the book and then what's in it. But just give

00:04:59.580 give the viewers a little bit of a rundown on who you are please okay uh thank you shadow thank you

00:05:06.260 for inviting me here tonight um i my background in uh for the sciences is i have a bachelor of

00:05:13.880 science with a specialty in applied math and theoretical physics and i have a master's of

00:05:19.380 statistics and a phd in statistics um i used to do a lot of consulting i used to work as a principal

00:05:26.780 statistician for an economics firm and we did a lot of consulting for the government. We specialized

00:05:31.560 in risk benefit and options analysis. I did step down from my career path years ago following an

00:05:40.620 accident. So I did have an accident where I was crushed between two vehicles while putting

00:05:46.960 groceries in the trunk of my car. And yeah, it was a bad time, a bad time. So I ended up stepping

00:05:55.340 down and and focusing on rehab and family so um i don't know fast forward to to now just to put

00:06:04.900 that out there so my my life took a big turn after that event and i did focus on my my health

00:06:10.300 rehabilitation family we were big into uh sports the kids sports their education um

00:06:17.440 uh and then the the pandemic hit so so when the pandemic first hit and all of the politicians

00:06:27.440 were running around screaming two weeks to flatten the curve as a statistician how did that hit you

00:06:34.040 well up until the point where the pandemic was hit uh i wasn't really paying a lot of notice

00:06:41.540 to what was going on um i was involved with the kids i was i remember i remember hearing uh premier

00:06:49.760 ford here in ottawa saying that he was going to close down the schools for a couple weeks after

00:06:54.540 the march break and i was driving down the road and i almost did a 180 back home because i could

00:07:00.720 not believe that just out of the blue he was going to do this um so right away i went on my computer

00:07:07.740 fired it up, went on, collected all the stats I can get about what was going on to do my own quick risk analysis

00:07:16.800 to kind of gauge what the risk was to myself, my kids, my family, people at large.

00:07:25.800 And right away, there was some red flags.

00:07:31.060 Well, I guess at that time, we didn't know because we hadn't heard yet about who this virus would affect or make very ill, right? We didn't know that. I would have thought because it was a cold-like thing or, you know, a viral infection that it would have harmed children and older people alike, like the flu does. But that wasn't the case. Did the statistics show that in the very early days of COVID-19?

00:07:59.900 Yeah, they were tracking this right early on. And when I went on, there was actually quite a bit of information about what was going on over, you know, in Italy and in different parts of the world.

00:08:14.420 And at that particular time, they already there was already information showing that it largely affected the elderly and those with comorbid conditions.

00:08:24.840 And it changed by a factor of about a thousand between the risk for, you know, the youngest and versus the oldest.

00:08:33.200 So they already had that information available.

00:08:35.780 And they also you could see what was going on in, you know, over in Europe before it got here.

00:08:43.460 So you can kind of see the progression.

00:08:47.000 Yeah, but some of the things that were going on in Europe, I mean, like people are going to be going, wait a minute, hold on.

00:08:52.780 They were showing video of people, you know, like falling down dead in the streets in Spain and Italy and China.

00:09:00.080 And they were terrifying people. Right. And we know after how long now that that was never the case.

00:09:05.680 That's not how COVID works. You don't just get it and go and fall down in the middle of in the middle of the street.

00:09:13.460 So what were the numbers from Italy like? Were they much the same as the pandemic went through? Were they much the same as Canada and other countries?

00:09:24.980 Well, I mean, there was some special circumstances in Italy.

00:09:30.240 But when I looked at the data, what I was looking at is all the different parts of the world, how the progression was in terms of the doubling rate between, you know, how long it took to double the incident rates and about when you'd see the peak and when it would start to come down.

00:09:45.700 So I was kind of looking at those kind of trends, as well as who had impacted the elderly, the young, that kind of thing.

00:09:52.140 So they did have that information available pretty early on.

00:09:59.640 In Canada?

00:10:01.540 Well, it was worldwide data.

00:10:03.080 So you can see the same trends happening in terms like, you know, once it started rising, you can see when the peaks hit a few weeks after you hit the peak and it would start coming down.

00:10:13.400 So you had that same kind of trend in most places, except a couple of places where it kind of made me laugh because you can see that you couldn't trust the data coming out of places like China and Iran.

00:10:23.740 I actually sat down with my husband, showed him the curves and we laughed about it.

00:10:28.000 You know, what's interesting, as I think back now, three and a half years and all of the different infection rates, I guess you would call them in all the different provinces across our country.

00:10:39.660 and ontario and quebec were so badly hit they were red all over the map and bc and alberta they were

00:10:47.940 getting the two but manitoba and saskatchewan and i noticed this because i live in manitoba

00:10:53.520 were strangely unaffected by this thing and i thought wait a minute how how is that that

00:10:59.520 manitoba and saskatchewan aren't getting the cases that ontario is getting and that bc and alberta

00:11:04.740 are getting it's and this went on for months and people in manitoba were even bragging about it

00:11:11.600 and i thought well we're the covid free province here in manitoba come to manitoba if you want to

00:11:19.120 live right and i thought is that just lagging data or was that the fact that manitoba didn't

00:11:27.080 catch on as quickly to the fraud that was going on in the rest of the country

00:11:31.480 that's an interesting question um

00:11:37.280 when i was looking at the data so i didn't those weren't the questions that i was asking

00:11:45.060 when i was looking at the data i was mostly looking at what the risk was to you know the

00:11:51.060 various members of the family and also i'm sorry were you looking at deaths or were you looking at

00:11:56.000 just case counts? I was looking at both. First of all, I was looking at the cases just to see

00:12:02.440 when it would peak and when it started to fall. And then I was also looking at the deaths and I

00:12:06.420 was trying to, I did a quick estimation of what I thought was the infection fatality rate, that if

00:12:11.880 you were to get it was what is the chance that, you know, you would die. So you could do this

00:12:17.080 calculation pretty easy early on to get a rough estimate. And right away, you could see that the

00:12:23.180 estimates that they were giving to the public were way off, like by order of magnitude or more.

00:12:28.580 Like you could do that calculation easy early on. And both my husband and I independently arrived

00:12:35.160 at approximately the same IFR. So we knew right away that there were some issues with

00:12:43.080 what we were being told. And the strategy that the government

00:12:48.060 developed didn't really make any sense so when you had this information at hand

00:12:57.660 because you're an expert with statistics what did you do with it did you wait for the government to

00:13:04.960 maybe and hope for the government to come out with actual numbers and say that they were mistaken

00:13:10.280 and when that didn't happen what did you do next what was the next course of action

00:13:15.900 well for for us i mean you've got the data right in front of you right you're going wait a minute

00:13:26.020 this is wrong what are they doing right so the first thing so the first thing i did was i talked

00:13:31.360 to my kids so me my my kids and i talked about it um basically we are of the opinion that they

00:13:36.980 didn't have to worry too much they can go on doing whatever they're going to do i didn't even think

00:13:41.400 they should stop going to school or their sports. I didn't see a reason for it. And for my husband

00:13:48.400 and I, you know, it was, you know, more risk than the kids, but it's still it was manageable. So I

00:13:54.080 mean, we weren't going to go in and party or anything, but we weren't really that concerned

00:13:59.740 when it came to like my parents, we are more concerned with my dad, because he was in very

00:14:04.020 poor health. So we I called my father and talked to him about laying low until we figured out what

00:14:11.000 was going on. And I talked to my siblings who were in healthcare, you know, to, because I was

00:14:17.800 concerned about them, because they would be frontline. So we took the necessary precautions,

00:14:21.660 but we were not. When I looked at the numbers, I thought, this is a very interesting virus,

00:14:29.740 because it really did not need to impact the economy the way it did. I mean, it didn't really

00:14:36.580 hit the working class very hard and children were not at high risk. So there was really no reason

00:14:43.060 for all the lockdowns. Like I thought that they should be doing a more strategic approach

00:14:49.040 and, you know, more targeted. So that was, but I mean, what did I do next? I mean,

00:14:56.320 they locked everybody down. There really wasn't a lot we could do. I mean, when they told us on

00:15:01.000 Thursday that this was coming, I still went to the gym on Friday. I still carried on normally

00:15:05.960 for the weekend and in the following week everything started shutting down and then

00:15:09.720 there was nothing you really could do right but when you looked at these statistics like

00:15:17.180 what did you notice when they started to fudge numbers when the case counts started to really

00:15:22.400 go through the roof was that like a warning signal to you okay well

00:15:31.440 that's that's a funny that's a funny kind of question the first thing i was looking at is

00:15:38.420 strategically what made sense for the for the government to do kind of like what would be the

00:15:43.260 strategic approach as time went on the way they were counting cases started to change and the

00:15:50.920 reliability of the stats got worse and worse as time went on so that's and then and then it became

00:15:58.740 It became more sensational.

00:16:00.080 Well, it was pretty sensationalized initially,

00:16:02.100 but the manipulation became more and more apparent,

00:16:05.000 I believe, as time went on.

00:16:06.700 I could do more with the data in the beginning than later on.

00:16:10.420 I guess my question to you then would be,

00:16:13.880 did you notice, like, when did you first notice

00:16:16.640 that the data was not right,

00:16:19.340 that they started to manipulate it?

00:16:21.020 my issue was mostly the strategy was was off and then the way they were counting things was off

00:16:34.960 i i i'm not sure how exactly to answer the question that i because i don't that's okay

00:16:39.680 i don't think the way that you're thinking like what you're right you're you're thinking

00:16:45.800 straight statistics, right? And I'm thinking, how can you possibly use statistics to find out what

00:16:54.220 really happened if they're giving you false numbers and you don't know? I mean, this is

00:16:58.820 what we talked about on the phone the other day. By the way, guys, if you're just joining the show

00:17:02.840 now, the author of Fisman's Fraud, The Rise of Canadian Hate Science is our guest tonight. Her

00:17:07.080 name is Regina Watil, and we're happy that she's here. My point here is that how can you use

00:17:12.920 statistics to your benefit or to our benefit if they're giving us crap a load of crap like

00:17:18.400 when they say that somebody and toronto's health authority admitted this on twitter i couldn't even

00:17:24.840 believe it when somebody was asking do you count a covet death as a positive case of covet no matter

00:17:30.760 how they die if they fall off a ladder if they're hit by a car if they have brain cancer and the

00:17:36.380 toronto health authority answered yes if the person is covet positive then it's listed as a

00:17:42.400 covid death and they would throw that into their statistics and i thought how can they do that and

00:17:47.520 we know that's not the primary cause of death here right so this would definitely you know

00:17:52.640 you know skew the numbers somewhat right so with covid death yeah there's a lot of incidental

00:18:00.000 deaths so most of the over 90 of the people who die uh with covid have one or more comorbidities

00:18:07.700 So you can't really say they're dying because of COVID. They've died with COVID. And this was, yeah, this was a big issue throughout the entire pandemic. But initially, the biggest issue I focused on initially was the fact that it really did not impact, like it was not a high risk for the majority of the population.

00:18:30.700 it was a high risk for the elderly and those with a comorbid condition so it didn't really matter

00:18:38.060 like how they how sensationalized it was how they were counting it if my kids were were got covid

00:18:44.520 and you couldn't tell or was very mild I don't there was there would be no reason to lock

00:18:49.580 everybody up like so it was really what they were doing based on the data so the manipulation

00:18:55.860 became more of a problem to me when they started using it as an excuse to do things that

00:19:02.580 that that the data did not warrant so they tried to use it to to to lock everybody up

00:19:08.660 and they shouldn't and then they later they tried to use it to to scare people into getting the

00:19:13.040 vaccine so that that's when the things really uh worried me because i i can push aside all

00:19:22.020 the sensationalism, that stuff, it doesn't really phase me because I can read, read the data and

00:19:28.100 know, you know, basically take the appropriate precautions. But I knew early on that, that

00:19:36.180 there was a problem because they were acting opposite to what the data suggested they should

00:19:40.140 do. So that's what I was concentrating on. So where did this, I mean, you, the book is called

00:19:45.860 Fisman's Fraud, The Rise of Canadian Hate Science. It is a number one selling book right now on

00:19:52.280 Amazon.ca. And you say Fisman's Fraud. For those of us outside of Ontario, we know that Dr. David

00:19:58.460 Fisman was a member of the Ontario Science Table. Is he the one that came up with this modeling that

00:20:04.040 the government used to jam these lockdowns and vaccines down our throats?

00:20:09.260 well the the the book that i i wrote gets into a particular um study that dr fisman and his two

00:20:19.680 colleagues did so dr fisman worked along two um colleagues uh ashley a tweet and afia amiko

00:20:27.760 amoko sorry i'm not good with pronunciation um but what they did was uh they developed a model

00:20:36.160 and this was after the Omicron surge. So we just went through Omicron and these researchers

00:20:44.360 basically concocted a model to show that unvaccinated people pose a disproportionate

00:20:50.720 risk to society. So they concocted this model and then they tried to pass off their fabricated

00:21:00.260 results as fact. So this is where the issue is. So at the time, there was real world data that

00:21:07.140 posted by the government of Ontario. And for Omicron, it showed the very opposite. It showed

00:21:14.560 that vaccinated individuals had a higher incident rate than unvaccinated individuals. But, you know,

00:21:24.640 that doesn't, no matter what kind of manipulation they did, it was not looking good for the vaccines.

00:21:29.940 So with Fismans, he basically concocted a model that basically said the opposite, tried to pass it off as the real deal, and then advocated for vaccine mandates and passports.

00:21:45.000 So basically overwrote the Omicron wave with a fake simulation saying the opposite.

00:21:49.260 so this guy who is still by the way advocating for vaccines on his x page he calls himself

00:21:57.620 cis cis cis cis man now so we obviously know where his politics lie but when you say concocted

00:22:05.680 you did this guy like does he have a history of modeling these kinds of things these kind

00:22:10.820 kind of epidemiological breakouts elsewhere in the world so he he he's a physician but he's also

00:22:20.020 an epidemiologist so and he teaches mathematical modeling and when i say concocted i mean he

00:22:25.380 developed a model it was a deterministic model completely determined by whatever you feed it

00:22:30.540 and he you feed it the inputs to get the outputs that you want so it was actually a very simple

00:22:35.900 model um pretty much governed by just a couple of parameters which is like the immunity of one

00:22:41.180 group versus the immunity of the other he put in the inputs that would give him the desired outputs

00:22:46.180 and and basically it was used to to scapegoat the the unvaccinated and to justify vaccine

00:22:53.880 passports mandates and and restrictions so he comes up with this as a member of the ontario

00:22:59.900 science table right so he's like well no he had actually so he was on the ontario science table

00:23:05.760 but he had stepped down by this point oh interesting so he still had a voice with the

00:23:11.380 government i guess because this is the modeling they used to lock us down once again at least

00:23:17.220 in ontario and as i mentioned to you on the telephone the other day what happens in ontario

00:23:22.140 generally spreads to the rest of canada both ways out to the maritimes and out west to where we are

00:23:28.320 because let's face it ontario is the largest and most influential province in our country

00:23:33.300 Right. Well, if you remember the timing of this, so the Omicron wave hit, we had the freedom convoy. There was a lot of pressure for the provinces to get rid of their passports and restrictions.

00:23:49.700 But the federal government was clinging on to the vaccine mandates and the travel restrictions.

00:23:58.680 So this is when Fisman's study was released on April 25th, 2022.

00:24:05.620 And so four days later, this study appeared in Parliament.

00:24:08.940 It was waved around by a Liberal MP to justify extending the travel restrictions.

00:24:14.120 So that's the timing of this study.

00:24:18.480 But the study was funded by the federal government through CIHR.

00:24:22.920 So CIHR funded the study, and it was published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

00:24:29.200 And it was taken up by dozens and dozens of media with the headlines basically warning of hanging out with us.

00:24:39.980 So did you know by the time this model had come out that it was fake?

00:24:46.320 Had you seen it yet?

00:24:47.500 Or did you have to take the time to go, all right, I want to have a look at this and break it down then?

00:24:52.860 Well, when it first broke and I heard it on the radio, I just dismissed it as just a really garbage study.

00:24:59.280 But then I kept hearing it over and over again.

00:25:01.600 And I thought, what's going on?

00:25:02.700 This is obviously incorrect because I was paying very close attention to the real world data.

00:25:10.340 And I knew exactly what it said over that exact period.

00:25:13.040 And I knew even what the graphs looked like because I had looked at them before.

00:25:17.860 So when I went into a study and I read it, I was wondering how it could possibly happen.

00:25:24.140 Right away, it was obvious it was a textbook case of scientific fraud.

00:25:28.320 He fabricated the results and then tried to pass it off as a true reflection of what occurred.

00:25:35.480 You can't do that.

00:25:36.360 That's the definition of fabrication of scientific fraud.

00:25:40.700 Go ahead.

00:25:41.920 sorry and and then he went even further like not only did he did you concoct uh fabricate the data

00:25:49.580 try to pass it off as fact the real data was readily available and he ignored it so and then

00:25:57.400 when it was brought to their attention they didn't correct and they refused to correct

00:26:00.840 by this time did we i i'm sorry because my timelines get all screwed up every now and again

00:26:08.740 because it's it's just so difficult so many things have happened over the past three years but you

00:26:13.720 you've got them locked down obviously you wrote the book um when did we find out for sure that

00:26:21.640 there were breakthrough cases with this gene therapy was it when omicron came out is that

00:26:28.980 when the media started talking about it or was it way before that like omicron was like was it not

00:26:34.840 november of 2021 or october of 2021 when that wave hit okay so breakthrough cases were already

00:26:45.400 well established in the delta period all right so we so so the vaccine was rolled out in uh start

00:26:53.760 it started in december 2020 but that was just you know mostly for um physicians and health care

00:27:00.500 workers. So most of the people started taking it, you know, I think started ramping up March,

00:27:07.560 April, May of 2021. And then the second dose started ramping up in the middle of June. But

00:27:14.220 even in, even by the spring of 2021, early in the rollout, breakthrough cases were quite common.

00:27:22.700 They were so common that the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough cases and only started tracking the

00:27:28.280 ones that resulted in hospitalization like breakthrough cases are pretty common and by

00:27:33.440 by July of 2021 the summer of 2021 when people are getting their second doses there was already

00:27:42.180 some really big outbreaks amongst mostly vaccinated populations so you had huge outbreaks

00:27:50.820 even in Delta when they are telling you that you know get vaccinated so you don't transmit so that

00:27:56.460 you don't you don't get sick they already knew at that time that it didn't stop transmission and

00:28:02.800 that vaccinated people when they get it were about as likely to pass it on as unvaccinated

00:28:08.800 they knew this before the mandates came in all right before but what happened is by you know

00:28:17.460 end of november early december you have omicron hold on hold on before you get to omicron let

00:28:23.760 me stop you for a second there, because to me, like we knew the people who were following all

00:28:29.700 of this stuff through the Delta outbreak, we knew there was breakthrough cases. We knew there were

00:28:35.140 reports of cruise ships getting outbreaks of COVID, even though all the people on these boats were

00:28:40.560 vaccinated with two doses. We knew that there were getting outbreaks in extended care homes

00:28:47.900 and all of the people in there were vaccinated. So we knew all about this, but the government

00:28:52.800 never admitted it like not right out front as a matter of fact i recall both joe biden and

00:28:58.680 justin trudeau going on tv and saying this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated right so we can say

00:29:07.940 they knew and we can be fairly right about it but they were still lying to people to get them to

00:29:17.640 take the vaccine so right so one of the things so one of the things that my book does is that

00:29:25.980 it carves a path through the pandemic and it compares what was known and when to what we

00:29:35.180 were being told it lays it right out so you can kind of see how they don't add up so yeah so

00:29:43.900 so and and and it makes it pretty clear it's actually pretty incriminating um we we we did

00:29:52.100 know a lot of things and they did know a lot of things and when you look at reports written by

00:29:56.220 the federal government i mean the media didn't pick up on them and they didn't report them

00:30:01.320 but even what was being uh reported by like the chief uh science government scientists

00:30:07.040 it admitted a lot of things it admitted they didn't know if it stopped transmission and they

00:30:13.240 didn't know how long it would last and they they didn't know a lot of things and and it's right

00:30:18.000 out there but that's not what was talked about and they did know about breakthrough cases in delta

00:30:24.480 well what they what they talked about at the very beginning was it's night was it 97 or 95 percent

00:30:32.000 effective at stopping the virus isn't that what they said and i think pfizer and moderna were

00:30:37.840 pretty close 96 95 or whatever and then the next week it was 92 and then the week after that it was

00:30:43.940 88 and then the week after that it was 83 and and so on and so on the efficacy kept getting worse

00:30:51.640 and worse and worse as more people got vaccinated and yet people still kept it's amazing what the

00:30:59.660 media and government and that propaganda machine can do right oh yeah it's it's the gaslighting

00:31:06.280 has been extraordinary and and and there's been gaslighting not just by you know the politicians

00:31:12.820 there was scientific gaslighting i mean when you look at fisman's study here that is got to be one

00:31:18.680 of the biggest cases of scientific gaslighting i ever saw you can see for yourself you know right

00:31:24.380 on on even with the government data you can see for yourself that with 80 of the population

00:31:31.080 vaccinated the cases soared to to to you know five times what they were before that's after

00:31:38.380 the vaccination rollout um and then you know you write you do a study that you know you concoct a

00:31:45.180 study that tries to to flip things around and say nope it still works and then people go along with

00:31:49.980 it you're like it feels like you're in an alternate universe so you right i mean we've all felt like

00:31:57.800 that over the last three and a half years so thank you and and you know what i need to pick this up

00:32:03.080 now because i want those concurrent timelines when we knew and they were gaslighting i'm fascinated

00:32:11.640 because i forget all of that stuff as i've been covering this for the last three three and a half

00:32:16.920 years now every single day it just gets a lot and it gets all jumbled up and it's hard to remember

00:32:21.560 exact dates i probably should have written them down at the time but so much was going on so

00:32:26.120 quickly. And I think that was probably in the plan as well. Keep them confused, keep them guessing,

00:32:32.300 keep them off balance. Moving forward, when you had all of this data and you knew about Fistman's

00:32:40.520 fraud, what did you do at that point with that, with that incorrect data compared to what you

00:32:46.040 came up with? Well, here's the thing. I was not the only one, like this was pretty blatant. There

00:32:52.360 was a lot of scientists who complained a lot of scientists wrote to to cmaj said hey this is

00:32:58.820 scapegoating you're scapegoating the the unvaccinated um it's opposite of what reality

00:33:04.000 says i'm not the only one who said this um and and quite a few people myself included asked for

00:33:10.560 that paper to be retracted and for the record to be set straight um cmaj uh would not engage in

00:33:18.020 dialogue and they did not retract the paper so then i i went to university of toronto and asked

00:33:25.800 them to investigate this and back and forth with them um sponsored this paper uh gina was it the

00:33:34.160 university of toronto who initially put this out well the university of toronto is where the

00:33:39.140 researchers are from or the university of toronto and so you i went to the university of toronto

00:33:45.180 because they have an integrity office and I asked them to to look into it and it was funded by CIHR

00:33:53.120 but CIHR has an agreement that if there's an issue with the funding it would be the organization

00:34:01.680 like University of Toronto to look into it so I'd have to go to University of Toronto first

00:34:05.840 and when they slammed the door then I went to CIHR and with CIHR I felt they had a duty because

00:34:12.720 the study was used in parliament. And when the study is used in parliament to justify

00:34:17.460 restrictions, there's a duty to set the record straight. And the presidents, the tri-agency

00:34:24.100 presidents, their CHR president, NSERC, and SSHRC, they decided, nope, they're not going to do

00:34:34.320 anything. So basically, my book goes through and discusses what the response of these organizations

00:34:41.220 were and then when they decided not to do anything i escalated and i went to the ontario provincial

00:34:47.000 police because when i was digging around i was finding a lot more and i i believed it was time

00:34:54.380 to bring in um the opp uh so i did i wrote them 150 page report and i and i sent i sent it off to

00:35:02.240 them yeah well i detail it pretty pretty good in in my book but uh suffice it were there ever

00:35:11.980 like i i don't want to go into details here and i know that we're going to get you know people are

00:35:16.820 going to be buying this book i'm going to be buying this book um but what kind of a reaction

00:35:22.320 did you get from ut and from the opp like were they did they seem did you speak with anybody

00:35:31.260 face-to-face and did they seem to take it seriously like yes ma'am we will look into

00:35:36.500 this definitely and we'll let you know or was it just get out of here you crazy anti-vaxxer

00:35:42.080 no they didn't they didn't call me an anti-vaxxer um they they have here's the thing at first i

00:35:52.340 wanted this paper retracted and in the record set straight as time went on and they were very

00:35:58.860 very resistant it became very clear there is much more to this so I started thinking it in terms of

00:36:04.720 me giving them the opportunity to do the correct to do the right thing and they had a decision to

00:36:11.640 make whether they would do the right thing and correct the record and investigate or if they

00:36:18.520 would basically basically be complicit in what is textbook fraud so I was pretty happy either way

00:36:28.020 they can tell they at least they told me where they stand right and and when they did that it

00:36:34.240 tell it's it tells me something it tells me where we are in this game apparently um you must have

00:36:40.680 been wondering at that point like how high up does this go how high up does it go why why they're

00:36:48.580 doing it so you start looking at that that that study more and more and you start reading you

00:36:53.420 you start listening exactly to what they're telling you. And it wasn't just about scapegoating

00:36:59.920 the unvaccinated. This was, what happens is FISMN study is central to the pandemic response,

00:37:11.360 all right? If you do not have a reduction in transmission, if you don't have that,

00:37:16.980 then you do not have justification for the mandates. You do not have justification for

00:37:21.540 those restrictions, period. They're trying to dance around it now. And there's a lot of arguments

00:37:26.580 that against their tactics. But if you do not have transmission, they are in trouble. And

00:37:34.400 this shows that when they were in trouble, and you could not establish that, that they resorted

00:37:40.740 to fraud. That is very damning. And it goes beyond, we didn't know, because what I show is

00:37:49.280 they did know they knew and they locked in and and and and that's very powerful

00:37:56.780 that's fair that you go to any did you go to any politicians with this

00:38:03.240 um before before i wrote the book well with the statistics once you knew like you put that 150

00:38:13.580 pages report together for the opp and you got no satisfaction with that the university of toronto

00:38:18.820 rejected you and shut the door so did you go write the book immediately after that or did

00:38:24.560 you think well maybe if i go to a politician you know like maybe i can take this to derrick sloan

00:38:29.280 or maybe i can take this to a a conservative mpp or even a conservative mp or somebody who would

00:38:36.640 be interested in seeing this because it's clear fraud it is clear fraud but what happens is that

00:38:43.500 I would go to, at first, you know, I was hopeful.

00:38:46.200 So I just kind of went step by step, you know, from CMS to each one.

00:38:51.900 It became pretty clear by the time I hit CIHR, even before they came back with their answer,

00:38:59.300 I was thinking, well, what happens when they say, no, too bad.

00:39:04.600 At that point, I had gotten some more information about what was going on in CMAJ.

00:39:10.240 and they didn't just, it appeared that they didn't just publish it. There was a little bit

00:39:16.020 more to their involvement. So I knew before getting my information back from CIHR that I

00:39:23.920 would be writing to the OPP and I had already started on that path writing to the OPP. And

00:39:28.980 then as I was writing to the OPP, I thought, what happens if they come back and they don't

00:39:34.440 investigate is is that the end and i thought if if they don't come if they do not investigate then

00:39:40.680 this is going to be turned into a book and people will and and i'm just going to put it into a book

00:39:47.380 but the thing is that there's a lot of power in establishing a textbook case of fraud and

00:39:58.800 And I think that it's very, very important for people to see it, because I think at this point, it changes the ballgame, all right?

00:40:10.800 They can no longer deny that they knew.

00:40:13.180 It was no longer, you know, oopsie, we made a mistake, or, you know, things changed.

00:40:20.520 Nope, there was intent here.

00:40:23.800 And I think that's very important for those who are fighting.

00:40:29.120 You know, there's a lot of people who lost their jobs.

00:40:32.500 There's a lot of people who have been going through the courts.

00:40:34.680 And I'm hoping that this can change things.

00:40:41.480 It's a number one, or at least was last week, a number one bestseller on Amazon.ca.

00:40:46.680 talking to our friend, Derek Smith, who had the number two book with his new, uh, Dr. Seuss style

00:40:53.260 book about Justin Trudeau. I think this one is about, is that how the prime minister stole

00:40:58.440 Christmas or maybe I can't remember exactly the title of the new one. I apologize, Derek,

00:41:03.620 if you're watching right now, but, uh, he was telling me about some problems that he has had

00:41:10.960 with Amazon in terms of distribution and fudging numbers? Because one week he was number one and

00:41:17.920 the next week he was down to number 38. And he was like, wait, wait, wait, what, what, what happened?

00:41:23.980 All of a sudden, have you had any difficulties at all with Amazon here in Canada in getting the book

00:41:30.360 out or any other means of distribution? Yeah, because my book, because of the,

00:41:37.340 the title of the book's pretty bold and um so I did not do any pre-release press like I just kind

00:41:47.320 of it just kind of got out there uh at a certain at a certain time so when it got out um I just did

00:41:54.160 a few days of pre-order and then it went up for publication and the publication date was the

00:41:59.300 seventh the issue I had was I had established links the pre-orders were going well um that's

00:42:06.960 you get the number one in some of the categories in Canada. And then the day the actual publication

00:42:16.380 day hit, which was November 7th, all of a sudden, my links were cut, the Amazon links were cut,

00:42:27.280 and nobody could buy the book. And nobody could buy it on Amazon for over a week. And I was

00:42:36.120 calling them every day um it was very bizarre uh i i never got a straight answer about what happened

00:42:44.460 my what i think happened is from what i gather from what i was told is that uh maybe uh well

00:42:54.500 the content was flagged but i'm guessing probably through ai and that created the disruption and

00:43:01.000 maybe then people had to look at it and they had to get people involved uh it seems to be sorted

00:43:05.560 out but that was a very rocky start um in the meanwhile i started establishing a link to like

00:43:12.820 indigo and that's for freedom put it on their website so we were doing workarounds

00:43:19.380 so it wasn't i can't say it was smooth but it started out now interesting that you bring up

00:43:28.280 ai because we had this great discussion last week about artificial intelligence

00:43:33.620 with Karen Kingston, and we were talking, how did these governments all align and work in such

00:43:42.300 lockstep with each other? And I'm not talking about provinces in our country. I'm talking

00:43:47.760 about federal governments from all over the world, all wanting to build back better all at the same

00:43:53.980 time. As Justin Trudeau said, this pandemic provides a unique opportunity to build back

00:44:03.420 better ed boris johnson in the uk at the time said it joe biden said it you know i mean all of these

00:44:11.060 guys were saying it it's ai it's the same reason that people are having their bank accounts

00:44:16.500 canceled it's the same have you had any problems like that at all with my no not those bank accounts

00:44:24.600 or a paypal account or anything at all no i haven't had any anything to do with the bank

00:44:31.800 accounts or our PayPal accounts, but I don't really have much of a PayPal account. So, I mean,

00:44:36.820 I don't do much on PayPal. You do have a bank account, so you've got to watch out for that. I

00:44:43.580 mean, more notorious people than ourselves have been debanked. Jeremy McKenzie, obviously, is the

00:44:49.660 first one that comes to mind. They actually debanked him for, they never really say. They

00:44:55.880 just say, we don't want your business. And that's the thing about it, right? It's all in their terms

00:44:59.880 and conditions so you can't fight it because you signed that 27 page contract with the fine print

00:45:05.780 smaller than oh let's say a nanoparticle that could be found in a certain gene therapy that

00:45:15.100 people have been taking across the world it's very very small so sales have been good now

00:45:21.020 now that you're back on track everything is going well people are buying this what kind of comments

00:45:25.020 are you getting well the feedback's been excellent like i i'm i'm i i can't i can't explain how how

00:45:33.780 good the feedback has been um the people who read it like some of the things that are people are

00:45:40.180 saying is that when they read it they go through it they get quite angry at places some get very

00:45:46.400 very emotional um but in the end a lot of people feel validated and empowered so there is a feeling

00:45:52.980 of empowerment by the time they're finished with this book um it does uh like i said uh give a

00:46:00.180 clear uh carve a good path through the pandemic so you get your timelines you know straight because

00:46:05.800 like you said shadow people you know so many things happen that you forget when they happen

00:46:10.600 so this this is very good that way and that you you have a clear path through the pandemic

00:46:15.540 It gives context as to how this study was used and why it's very important that it doesn't go forward, that something happens, because there's more to this.

00:46:31.660 People have to realize there's more to this than just a small little study scapegoating.

00:46:36.700 Um, the, the, the authors, the researchers were pretty clear in that what they were trying to

00:46:44.620 demonstrate was that, um, vaccine choice, uh, should not be left to the individual. So basically

00:46:53.320 it shouldn't, it comes down to not regarding vaccine choice as an individual right. And this

00:47:01.440 goes right towards the charter and and and kind of reinterpreting the charter no right was violated

00:47:07.200 here it shouldn't even be considered an individual right like it's scary stuff um and and and the fact

00:47:13.760 is that that demonstration was based on fraud so there's actually it brings a really strong

00:47:20.800 argument as to why we need protections and i think that it's very very important that um we get them

00:47:28.320 there's a lot of people who have certain knowledge of what's happened in this country

00:47:36.240 in the last three and a half years and they've chosen to stay quiet about it they'd rather not

00:47:40.760 talk they don't want to rock the boat they don't want to put themselves at risk of losing anything

00:47:46.520 you're different in that way you wanted to get the word out you even ran in the last election

00:47:52.200 for the People's Party of Canada in a riding that you might get tarred and feathered for,

00:47:57.800 you know, running for that party. I mean, that is a liberal stronghold that you're in right now.

00:48:03.200 And I'm sure you got a lot of sideways looks at the very least. Why were you so adamant

00:48:11.260 about getting this information out to people?

00:48:14.960 well that was summer of 2021 and in the summer of 2021 they were making the vaccine mandates

00:48:24.100 the universities were requiring that students get mandated sorry students get vaccinated in

00:48:31.300 order to attend a university campus I had two my two older children were in university they were

00:48:37.440 varsity level athletes in track and field they are both you know set to go to the nationals

00:48:44.340 when the pandemic hit.

00:48:45.400 So they were top competitors

00:48:48.760 and neither one of them

00:48:50.840 wanted to take this vaccine.

00:48:52.680 Both of them were banned

00:48:54.540 from varsity sports.

00:48:56.420 Both of them were banned from campus.

00:48:59.820 When Trudeau announced the election,

00:49:04.320 he also talked about

00:49:05.720 mandating the vaccine

00:49:07.560 for federal workers.

00:49:09.420 I had stepped down from,

00:49:10.780 you know, I hadn't,

00:49:12.060 I had stepped down from my career path.

00:49:13.680 So we were single income here and we were dependent on my husband works for the federal government.

00:49:18.840 So we were hit very, very hard by the mandates, along with many other people.

00:49:24.520 And I could not believe that they could bring the mandates in, given that there was absolutely no justification for them.

00:49:33.060 Statistically, you could show there was no justification whatsoever for the mandates at the time they were being introduced.

00:49:40.300 You could show that.

00:49:41.460 so i stepped up and ran yeah but there was a lot of people who knew the information that we knew

00:49:52.580 they didn't have the statistical proof like you had because they weren't able to work it out for

00:49:57.080 themselves but they knew and yet they refused to do anything about it but you were different so

00:50:03.700 what inside of you made you do this was it your kids not wanting to take this vaccine and being

00:50:10.580 denied sports you had a lot at stake here i think that we all have a lot of stake maybe at stake

00:50:19.600 people just don't see it i did not see this going well no matter what you did um like i i could see

00:50:27.420 you can see the train wreck happening you know from miles away and you're just not able to stop

00:50:32.160 it i could see the problem right from the get-go and with the mandates it i think that it was the

00:50:39.420 kids not just my kids but kids in general there there was absolutely no reason for any any child

00:50:45.660 at all to take these vaccines and there was already that there

00:50:50.940 there's a lot of uncertainty with the vaccines and even what we did know was not good when it

00:50:58.580 came to the children we already knew about myocarditis when when when they were mandating

00:51:03.480 these for the universities and we knew that the highest risk was for you know kids that were my

00:51:08.440 boy's age like it was but i think maternal instinct is is probably what pushed me over

00:51:16.300 the edge when it came to running for the ppc i just the children should shouldn't yeah

00:51:23.640 what about writing the book and getting that report out to the opp i mean was that the same

00:51:29.720 motivation no it's not it's not quite the same motivation um like you said

00:51:38.200 A lot of us knew that there were, you know, we were being deceived, we were being lied to, but there was no accountability whatsoever.

00:51:47.760 And I went to the OPP and I went and wrote the book because this study was different from all these studies.

00:51:57.660 It's not just, oh, they lied, they deceived.

00:51:59.440 This study, because it was a textbook case of scientific fraud, you can show, you can establish intent.

00:52:06.560 and when you establish intent um that's very powerful for for those of us who want to get

00:52:15.240 the truth out you can now start to do something in terms of accountability this this could be

00:52:19.660 their achilles heel like this really does change things have you made contact with any

00:52:27.280 attorneys at all is there any kind of legal action that you've looked at pursuing

00:52:32.860 uh well i have reached out like i've talked to a couple of constitutional lawyers just on the side

00:52:42.020 because i was when i was researching my book i wanted to um discuss some of the things i put in

00:52:47.640 my book so just just on the side i just reached out to a couple to get some feedback um in terms

00:52:54.800 of some of legal action i have nothing going on right now all my energy went into getting this

00:52:59.640 together and as soon as it was together and it was you know the way i wanted it it went out so

00:53:05.780 um i think i on i have a a podcast coming up on december the 8th with um leighton gray and that

00:53:14.720 will be interesting because he has you know some court cases and i really would love to talk to him

00:53:20.460 about how this if this can be leveraged in any way to help that out like that that really does

00:53:27.420 interest me yeah i'm sure that he would have i mean he he's been one of the few attorneys across

00:53:34.260 this country who have been doing work like this uh because he also sees the monster that we're

00:53:40.100 facing right now he was on the show a couple of weeks ago and uh yeah i definitely he's probably

00:53:45.260 he'll probably take the case on i'm not sure what he's going to do with it because he's got that big

00:53:49.860 uh what do you call those multi uh cases he's got yeah he's got a big class action going on

00:53:57.720 right now across three different sections of people who've been harmed by the lockdowns and

00:54:01.440 the vaccines so and and all these other cases going on on the side so this may he may find

00:54:07.120 somebody who could do it you know on your behalf if he can't do it but i can tell you uh without

00:54:13.460 speaking for him that i'll bet he'd be interested in this case you've got factual evidence that it's

00:54:21.580 a fraud as you say it is a textbook case of fraud and there's so many people complicit in it not just

00:54:29.440 david fissman but the government of ontario the government of canada i mean this report

00:54:38.020 commissioned by the university of toronto we know that david fissman has taken money from

00:54:43.120 Pfizer. We know that he has taken money from AstraZeneca. But how did this particular model,

00:54:49.220 like, was it his influence with the Ontario science table? Gina, did this help get it out

00:54:56.400 there? How did he get wrapped up with the federal government? Because they use that as well, right?

00:55:02.340 Well, David Fisman was involved in the pandemic response at every level of government. So he was

00:55:10.760 doing modeling um right i think before the pandemic was even called in february 2020 he

00:55:17.560 received grant money to to to model the the pandemic so he was already on the federal radar

00:55:23.560 early on and he was called into the house of commons to speak you know in may of 2020 so he

00:55:30.940 was already involved so he did not need the ontario science table to reach the federal government um

00:55:38.220 But yes, when he when he was on the interior science table, of course, that did advise a lot of different organizations so that something like this.

00:55:46.820 I mean, you've got to be able to take this to a pretty influential member of the government, whether it's an elected official or a bureaucrat.

00:55:53.780 Right. Because this is heavy duty. They're going to put all of their eggs in this basket, man.

00:55:59.040 I mean, like, OK, we're going on your report, Fisman, so this better be right.

00:56:02.820 well this this report was very different i mean the second it was published media ran with it

00:56:10.900 media does not run with with with these studies like the way they did with this fismin study

00:56:16.100 you're looking at uh i think over 90 uh media outlets over 100 stories ran with this basically

00:56:22.820 warning of hanging around with the unvaccinated and and it was unbelievable it got um what is it

00:56:31.360 The number two cited studies they've ever had for CMAG, I have to look up on my table.

00:56:40.540 But it's very, it got a lot of publicity.

00:56:44.580 And like I said, within four days of the publication, it was waved around in Parliament.

00:56:49.000 And this was at a time that they were looking for anything to justify these restrictions against the unvaccinated.

00:56:58.900 Absolutely unbelievable.

00:57:00.220 I'd love to see what happens next with the information that is contained in this book.

00:57:06.860 It would be amazing if we could get these people held to account and we could go right up the top of the to the top of the food chain here and maybe even get Justin Trudeau on this because he was complicit.

00:57:20.480 they all were complicit Doug Ford right Teresa Tam all of them who had been spouting the best way

00:57:29.520 to uh uh stop the spread is to get vaccinated you will not be able to sit on a plane

00:57:38.720 or a train remember all that stuff of course you do oh yeah that's that's in the book I mean we

00:57:44.480 There's some really beautiful quotes there by Trudeau.

00:57:49.140 What is that one that you mentioned earlier before we went on?

00:57:51.940 He was in that French language interview.

00:57:54.300 What do we do with these people?

00:57:55.720 I think it was.

00:57:57.640 Yeah.

00:57:57.900 Do we tolerate these people?

00:57:59.500 Right.

00:57:59.800 Do we tolerate these people?

00:58:00.740 Yeah, that was some pretty dark times.

00:58:04.340 But he's made some pretty strong statements throughout this entire ordeal.

00:58:09.460 And when you go through things that he has said, it's pretty enlightening.

00:58:13.120 If you look at what he said versus what the government was doing at the time, it's very, very telling.

00:58:18.800 It is very telling.

00:58:20.740 That's Chapter 6.

00:58:23.960 And the judicial notice is Chapter 13, you told me the other day.

00:58:29.000 You're in the Ottawa area.

00:58:30.400 Did you get a chance to go to the Freedom Convoy at all when it was happening?

00:58:34.660 Yeah, the Freedom Convoy was a godsend to our family.

00:58:37.800 We went, I went to the convoy 13 times and then I went afterwards when they were pretty much gone just to see how it was, like what was left over.

00:58:47.000 But yeah, 13 times I went.

00:58:49.900 It was fantastic.

00:58:51.680 Like it was, it was a lifesaver for us at the time.

00:58:56.180 We were going through a pretty, pretty big low.

00:58:58.300 I mean, we had our exemptions.

00:58:59.920 my husband's exemptions were denied two days before Christmas and we had spent all of January

00:59:07.320 writing a grievance and the day he handed his grievances was the day that the truckers came

00:59:12.900 into town and yeah we I'm actually very very thankful for for the Freedom Convoy it it gave

00:59:23.320 a lot of much needed

00:59:25.400 hope and unity. It was great.

00:59:28.700 I think

00:59:29.400 you should write a book about that.

00:59:33.380 Gina, thank you for coming on the show

00:59:35.200 tonight. We really appreciate it.

00:59:37.780 Run out, you guys, and get

00:59:39.020 Fisman's Fraud, The Rise of Canadian

00:59:41.320 Hate Science. It's available at

00:59:43.160 Indigo and Amazon.ca

00:59:45.540 right now. Let's keep it at number

00:59:47.300 one. We'll get you on again, talk

00:59:49.220 about more stuff. Thank you, Gina, for coming on

00:59:51.180 tonight. Regina Wattiel, everybody.

00:59:53.320 thank you shadow all right and i want to show you guys uh one last time here i want to show you

01:00:05.160 the book so that you'll recognize it in case you're out fistman's fraud there it is you see

01:00:10.520 the little covet germ there or whatever the the little viral particle where it says risk typhoid

01:00:16.440 blame death hospital the rise of canadian hate science by rn wattiel phd in statistics all right

01:00:24.780 a couple more things here guys before we let you go tonight uh there's a woman named sherry

01:00:30.320 he's a mpp in ontario she says the look on your face the man who announced a terrorist attack

01:00:40.240 when there was none and there is Pierre Polyev all right so here now is Pierre Polyev talking

01:00:48.080 to a reporter from the Canadian press and watch the way he destroys this woman hilariously

01:01:10.240 Thank you.

01:01:40.240 Thank you.

01:02:10.240 Thank you.

01:02:40.240 Thank you.

01:03:10.240 I love the way this guy handles the media.

01:03:29.520 Okay, this, my friends, is Gert Wilders.

01:03:34.800 now he's not the prime minister of the netherlands at least not yet his party and they and all the

01:03:44.640 the far left corporate media they're calling him far right he is uh the netherlands answer to

01:03:51.320 donald trump of course any anybody who's a mild conservative is donald trump of the netherlands

01:03:58.060 or of italy or spain or whatever of mexico of argentina it's the donald trump i mean why does

01:04:04.800 First of all, you have to look at it and go, why does the media want to expose themselves like that unless they honestly think that everybody thinks the way they do, which is an extremely and becoming even more extreme, narrow view of the world.

01:04:23.640 That's why these folks are getting elected in the first place.

01:04:28.480 It's because normal people, common sense people like us who gather here every night at eight o'clock central are sick and tired of the woke nonsense coming from the Marxists on the far left.

01:04:43.500 So it's time for us to stand up and call.

01:04:46.840 And this is what I've been doing.

01:04:48.100 And I hope you guys do, too.

01:04:50.020 Every time you say media, you do not say mainstream media because that actually solidifies their place.

01:04:58.260 in the pantheon of media it makes them the avatars of truth if we call the mainstream

01:05:08.260 they are not they are radical left marxist corporate media that is what they are so this

01:05:19.420 guy here gert wilders possibly the new pm of the netherlands is talking about banning the quran

01:05:27.800 So this is something that Leighton Gray and I

01:05:54.840 were having a discussion about today.

01:05:56.900 on um on x do you ban things

01:06:03.800 you know this is something that the left the marxists have been using against us is the fact

01:06:14.780 that we love freedom so much freedom of everything right i mean freedom of speech

01:06:22.720 being the biggest, because without that, forget it.

01:06:31.460 We don't feel like banning is the right way to do things.

01:06:36.220 Do you ban the Koran?

01:06:38.760 I mean, that'd be a great slogan because it rhymes and everything.

01:06:44.080 But could you do that in a free and democratic society

01:06:47.400 in order to make your country more unified.

01:06:54.720 Canada is based upon Judeo-Christian principles.

01:06:57.540 However, Justice Beverly McLaughlin,

01:07:00.280 back in the 1990s,

01:07:02.120 using the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as her weapon,

01:07:05.660 tried to gut that God is the supreme being

01:07:10.340 that Canada was based upon.

01:07:14.500 She construed that

01:07:17.400 the mention of God could be the God of any religion.

01:07:23.900 Now, in my experience,

01:07:26.720 when God is spelt with a capital G,

01:07:31.160 as it is in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms,

01:07:33.320 that means the God of Christianity and no other.

01:07:40.020 So that interpretation, as far as I'm concerned,

01:07:42.780 by Justice McLaughlin was flawed,

01:07:45.280 but nobody has ever challenged it.

01:07:47.400 So, can we, should we, ban books?

01:08:00.520 You can't. You can't.

01:08:03.520 Because then you are just as bad as the Marxists.

01:08:10.440 All right, that is it for the show tonight, you guys.

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01:12:06.400 then have a great rest of your night a great day tomorrow and i will talk to you soon

01:12:10.020 did i say i love you all madison likes when i say that and i like to say it every night i think i

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01:12:19.320 Bye for now.

The Shadoe Davis Show - November 24, 2023

Shadoe at Nite Thurs Nov. 23rd⧸2023： WIth Author Dr. Regina Watteel

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