The Shadoe Davis Show - October 06, 2023


Shadoe at Nite Thurs Oct. 5th⧸2023 w⧸Tom Marazzo author ＂The People's Emergency Act＂


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00:03:00.000 2023 special guest on the show tonight is tom morazzo tom is the author of the new book
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00:06:47.220 Okay, we're going to start off the show tonight with a news article that came in around noontime from left-wing corporate CTV.
00:06:56.160 Three people arrested during small protests outside Parliament Hill, and here's the story.
00:07:00.700 Ottawa police arrested three people for obstruction, and a bylaw services officer issued four tickets during a protest outside Parliament Hill today.
00:07:08.980 dozens of people gathered on Wellington Street late Wednesday afternoon for a protest. Late this
00:07:15.740 afternoon, Ottawa police were on scene in the area of Parliament Hill to ensure public safety
00:07:20.100 was maintained during a demonstration, police said on X. Some protesters were using large speakers
00:07:26.100 and loud hailers in contravention of bylaws. After various interactions with police, three people
00:07:31.040 were arrested for obstruction and later released on conditions. While it's the duty of police to
00:07:37.280 support legal demonstrations we will not tolerate behaviors that endanger public safety
00:07:42.140 or violations of the criminal code bylaws or liquor license and control act seems to stretch
00:07:50.520 to me from the video we saw yesterday ottawa bylaw services officers issued three tickets
00:07:56.220 for noise violations and one ticket for encumbering the roadway during the protest police issued a
00:08:03.200 notice over the weekend saying they were monitoring for the potential of vehicle-based
00:08:06.860 protests in Ottawa but said they had no specific information about the protests and then of course
00:08:12.340 in true left-wing corporate media fashion some self-described freedom advocates were traveling
00:08:19.680 across the country to draw a demonstration of their grievances or attention to their grievances
00:08:23.720 against the federal government in a video posted on Facebook the protesters said it was a peaceful
00:08:29.680 protest we have another angle of the cop tasering that man yesterday as his wife pleads with police
00:08:38.440 exclaiming her husband has had multiple heart attacks the protester is seen subdued under
00:08:44.520 ottawa police before they tase him let's make this big so everybody can see and here we go
00:08:59.680 okay so the cop is tasering him
00:09:22.740 as he's on the ground with his knee on the man's back
00:09:28.300 update from patriot smoothie on x and by the way patriot smoothie once again doing a fantastic job
00:09:34.680 out there in ottawa protester billy dalton is back home after being tased by ottawa police
00:09:40.880 near parliament hill he's had two previous heart attacks his wife vocally informed police obviously
00:09:46.820 on that video we just saw of his medical conditions he was not resisting police nor did he initiate the
00:09:52.560 confrontation and there are the marks on his back to prove the tasering
00:09:57.160 interesting stuff going on right now in ottawa we're not sure if there was much going on today
00:10:04.200 tom marazzo is our guest and he joins us now tom thank for thank you for coming on the show
00:10:09.220 tonight really appreciate you being here what are your thoughts on all that's going on right now
00:10:15.060 Why are people at such a fever pitch?
00:10:18.460 Well, because after, you know, over 18 months past the convoy, there's no indication that the police in this country are learning.
00:10:30.860 There's just no indication.
00:10:32.680 There's no indication that the political class in this country have learned anything.
00:10:38.720 They just continue to go about their day over and over and they do and act the same way they did during lockdowns.
00:10:48.600 You know, we're just not seeing any evidence to suggest whatsoever that any government official in this country is actually on the side of the people.
00:10:59.400 And it just, I have to say, it shocks the conscience to really look at this and say, after everything that we've been through as a country, after everything that the federal government continues to do to people, how can the police in this country still go after the public and do nothing for the actions of the government?
00:11:26.500 Now, I want to qualify that, though.
00:11:30.100 You know, a police officer can't just go out and lay a charge against a member of parliament, right?
00:11:37.100 It's not going to happen.
00:11:39.040 Even if that crazy event should happen, it takes a Crown prosecutor who's going to actually proceed with the case.
00:11:49.260 There's other steps that have to go to get that person into a jail room.
00:11:52.840 But it starts at the ground level with the individual police officer.
00:11:56.980 A police officer has an enormous amount of personal individual discretion as to what
00:12:03.960 they want to do.
00:12:05.060 They are the first point of contact between, you know, the police and the public, you know,
00:12:12.020 the court system in the public, the first line of contact, that first point of contact
00:12:16.220 is a police officer.
00:12:17.260 and there's just no indication in this country that any of the police departments have learned
00:12:23.340 a thing about what they have done to the public to earn the vitriol hate and mistrust that the
00:12:33.660 public now has for them you know if if they believe that they had an ally somewhere in the
00:12:40.640 government whether it be a politician a local one provincial or federal or they believe that the
00:12:46.140 police were going to uphold their oath i think the temperature would come down but we're not
00:12:52.760 seeing any examples in this country of anything of the sort at all and that's why people are pissed
00:12:59.400 that that officer yesterday the one who was pointing the taser at the people he had his knee
00:13:05.720 on the guy's back he tased him in the back and then he raised his taser pistol at the people who
00:13:11.740 were filming the event as well that's just it seems like rookie behavior is that his nerves
00:13:19.220 were frayed as well or do you think these guys were under orders from somebody higher up to be
00:13:23.800 very aggressive with the people there i i don't get the sense there's nothing to convince me or
00:13:29.700 sort of suggest that they're getting that information from higher but that's not outside
00:13:34.000 the possibility or the realm of possibility but to me it really did and i agree with you i thought
00:13:40.300 that's that person's a rookie um that person should never have let that situation escalate
00:13:48.300 to the point that he did he should have found every possible means to de-escalate the confrontation
00:13:54.720 with the man on the ground now i want to be careful because i don't know what happened prior to
00:14:01.880 you know when the footage started right you don't know if the man assaulted the police officer spit
00:14:08.960 on him through something you just don't know you really don't know so you can't really judge
00:14:16.820 innocence or guilt here you can only look at the fact that what we see is a police officer with
00:14:22.980 their knee in the side of the guy's ribs he's not resisting he has two officers on him what is clear
00:14:32.900 to me though is that even though the wife was screaming that he had a heart attack
00:14:36.960 I think that police officer was overwhelmed.
00:14:40.480 I think he had too much sensory input and he wasn't registering the fact that
00:14:44.760 she was screaming that he had two heart attacks.
00:14:47.440 That's poor training.
00:14:49.560 And I would say that, you know, the camera goes away for a second and then we hear the buzzing.
00:14:57.360 We hear the clicking of the taser.
00:14:59.300 He's actually lighting that guy up.
00:15:01.520 It's like, how have you lost control?
00:15:04.080 This is bad training.
00:15:05.000 You've lost control of the guy that you've already subdued and now you're sending 50,000, you know, volts through this guy's body, uh, when he's already been subdued.
00:15:15.800 So honestly, I look at that and I think that's just absolutely horrific training.
00:15:21.980 Uh, I think that police officer should be recoursed, sent back to, uh, OPC and retrained, uh, and held up as a lesson in what not to do.
00:15:32.160 like when you have a person who's subdued to that point you have control you have control there's no
00:15:38.920 reason and and honestly when i saw him starting to point that taser at the crowd i thought oh boy
00:15:44.580 this guy's already lost this guy this officer has lost he should be facing some sort of uh review
00:15:50.700 at the very least interesting that it seemed as though you know later on in that video the one we
00:15:56.880 showed yesterday that there was a more senior officer who was kind of walking the perimeter
00:16:03.100 trying to keep the people at bay and he too had his taser in his hand and while he wasn't flailing
00:16:09.080 it around like this younger officer was he did actually appear to threaten some of these people
00:16:14.660 with it and that seems way out of line also i was surprised by that as well uh because you can't
00:16:23.180 again unfortunately see who's behind the camera you don't know the size of the crowd that he's
00:16:27.520 facing off with but it did seem a little bit unusual to me that he would unholster the the
00:16:38.240 taser um i don't know what ottawa's rules of engagement are or what their escalation of force
00:16:44.680 rules dictate to to them specifically in ottawa but it really did seem a little bit unusual to me
00:16:52.060 uh, that he would take that out of its holster and carry it around like that.
00:16:56.980 Um, because there was nobody behind him.
00:17:00.080 He had plenty of room to back up if he needed to.
00:17:02.940 So I gotta say like that didn't seem overly controlled.
00:17:10.140 Uh, and that's the one thing I want to say that I don't feel like they
00:17:13.880 controlled the environment around the people that were being arrested.
00:17:16.960 i'm gonna have to get your opinion on the uh this new version of the convoy i think it's the east
00:17:24.260 west slash save the children convoy we talked with the boys from vr v4f about this last night
00:17:30.400 uh and while they were suggesting that people like you know freedom george and ron clark and
00:17:35.500 colin big bear are good guys they may be being used by some infiltrator we don't know who as
00:17:45.800 useful idiots and that's an expression i'm not calling them idiots by the way that is just a
00:17:50.640 term that gets used in this kind of a circumstance what are your thoughts on all of this well i i've
00:17:56.460 met colin big bear i think he's a great guy really true to what it is he's trying to do and i do
00:18:03.540 think you know ron clark he's a little bit uh i've i've had interactions with him well not directly
00:18:10.520 But, you know, as a response to some of the things he said about me, and I've never personally met him from what I can recall, I think that all these people, their heart is in the right place.
00:18:23.220 I think that they want to do good.
00:18:25.280 I think they want to be the masters of their own destiny, you know, at least make the world go back to the way it was before COVID.
00:18:34.140 But there's just a lot of really interesting questions about who's running that show.
00:18:40.520 Um, I, I don't get the sense that everything is as it seems.
00:18:49.940 And the reason I say that is you see people, you know, Jody Ledgerwood did a great video, um, yesterday saying, look, Facebook goes in and tampers with all my stuff about this particular thing.
00:19:01.960 But these guys with this new convoy, they're, they're fully wide open.
00:19:06.920 Nothing's getting taken down.
00:19:08.260 Um, and they're actually getting monetized and able to actually make some, you know,
00:19:14.080 bring in some cashflow to support their activities through Facebook.
00:19:17.680 It's like, if that was somebody else, you know, for a fact, they'd be getting shut down
00:19:22.880 and censored immediately.
00:19:23.900 The only hope they would have would to be on Twitter or Rumble.
00:19:27.320 Um, but the, the fact that certain social media platforms are allowing it to continue.
00:19:31.800 Listen, I, I'm unbelievably skeptical and very suspicious of anything that CSIS does on Canadian soil. Um, I would not put it past CSIS to be involved in this. I mean, we saw, you know, their behavior during the freedom convoy. Um, and I have said many times, I think it was CSIS that were the ones who carried the, the Nazi flag and the Confederate flag.
00:19:59.600 I don't think, I don't, listen, when I sat there and watched with the public order emergency commission, when David Vigneault got cross-examined with his two other people, he sat there and he, and he walked through this whole roadmap of how they look for an IMVE and ideologically motivated, motivated, violent extremist.
00:20:21.580 And what their whole roadmap to was to, to triggering an investigation into these people.
00:20:27.400 So they walk us through and Brendan Miller, our lawyer walks, gets up, shows a picture
00:20:31.760 of the guy with the Confederate flag in his truck with his license plate.
00:20:36.140 And he says, who is this guy?
00:20:37.460 They're like, we don't know.
00:20:38.960 Like you just walked us through the roadmap to how you launch an investigation on an IMVE.
00:20:44.720 You've got the guy here.
00:20:46.020 He's one of two people showing any violent or, you know, or IMVE behavior, and you don't know who that guy is.
00:20:54.800 No, we don't.
00:20:55.920 Okay, sure.
00:20:56.620 I believe you.
00:20:57.540 You don't know who it is.
00:20:58.740 It's because you know exactly who it is, right?
00:21:01.860 Same thing last year, you know, V4F, several other organizations came out and said, look, this Marcus Ray guy, there's too many questions about Marcus Ray.
00:21:11.980 There's far too many questions.
00:21:13.820 and you know i you look at the i think there's seven seven demands um a list of seven items
00:21:22.700 that this new convoy wants there's one about children out of the seven i thought you were
00:21:30.860 there for the children like i even for me it's unclear as to what is your objective what are you
00:21:36.300 trying to do i do think that their heart is in the right place some of these people that are heavily
00:21:41.360 involved but i just don't think that this thing is exactly what it appears to be wendy is asking
00:21:48.540 a question and this is something tom i've been hearing all week long uh people are at their
00:21:54.260 wits and fever pitch they don't know what else to do and wendy is saying what else do we do and no
00:21:59.920 one seems to have the answer even though we did do a pretty good job of answering that question
00:22:04.660 last night with uh jeff and drew from b4f there are all kinds of local initiatives that we can
00:22:10.320 get involved in what's your take i agree it's it has to be done at the local level um it is very
00:22:17.720 very clear to me that it has to be done at the local level and drew drew honestly is the one
00:22:24.080 who finally convinced me of that um what we have to realize is a is a number of things one
00:22:31.880 you're not going to make a big move and turn this whole thing around overnight
00:22:37.320 I believe that this war has been waged against the Canadian public for decades.
00:22:45.680 COVID is when we all finally noticed because the other side made their big moves and it woke everybody up.
00:22:53.640 And what it woke us up to is the fact that every single institution within our society that we as citizens interact with on a daily basis,
00:23:03.240 I'm talking education, banking, uh, religious institutions, policing, politics, local councils, all the way up to federal, uh, politics, the churches, every institution, the medical community, especially every, every institution has been captured at the local level.
00:23:27.760 This is where the war has been waged.
00:23:30.180 We just never noticed it.
00:23:31.740 And so now we are going to have setbacks.
00:23:35.820 We are going to lose things.
00:23:37.160 Like, for example, a year ago, I ran in the Ontario election and I ran in the Ontario in a provincial election for specific reasons.
00:23:47.040 But I think that the local level battleground is where we have to take back control of the country.
00:23:54.820 We're not going to, Paulyev's not going to do it.
00:23:57.680 You know, Trudeau's not going to do it.
00:23:59.680 Singh's not going to do it.
00:24:00.620 the block aren't going to do it. Um, none of these people are going to do it. It's going to be
00:24:06.880 local level and you have to be prepared to lose some of the battles. You have to be prepared that
00:24:12.940 when you walk into a school board trustees meeting, that you're not going to be heard,
00:24:18.800 but you got to go back next week and you got to go the week after you've got to not run as an
00:24:25.600 individual in one little seat on the school board, you need a full-on insurrection. You need to tell
00:24:31.940 20 of your friends to all go into the different positions within the school board and all 20 of
00:24:38.940 you run and take those 10 seats. Because if you do it as one, and I've met people, a really wonderful
00:24:45.640 woman named Catherine. She ran as a trustee. She didn't get in, but she knew that even if she got
00:24:51.360 in, she was going to be marginalized, put aside, and they were probably going to take steps to
00:24:56.300 remove her anyway, which is what we've seen with student council or student, uh, trustee, um,
00:25:01.380 positions. You've got to go in and have overwhelming force in, in take every one of
00:25:08.900 those seats. One person can't do it. They'll be silenced and kicked out. Take back the 10 or 12
00:25:14.320 school board seats. Everybody run for council in every little ward, in every street, everybody
00:25:21.340 joined the board of directors for your credit union, run for those board seats. They come up
00:25:25.900 all the time. Everybody has to do it. You can't do ones and twos. We're going to lose every once
00:25:34.100 in a while, but we can't give up. And this is absolutely the epitome of a marathon versus a
00:25:40.240 sprint everybody thinks that the sprint is going to be the winning thing okay it's not going to be
00:25:46.660 a sprint it's the marathon because this was done to us over decades and decades now there there's
00:25:54.120 actually people out there who are going we haven't got the time tom they are just about ready to pull
00:26:00.500 their end game on us and they're going to make everything digital and and we're going to be under
00:26:05.480 their thumb uh very very soon we won't we'll have the social credit score uh and we won't be able to
00:26:11.940 buy meat if our carbon footprint is too big and that is coming it's called agenda 2030 we are
00:26:16.740 not far off from that what yeah i i agree i understand the sense of urgency i do absolutely
00:26:25.740 understand the sense of urgency but we have to distinguish between the point of such despair
00:26:32.720 in desperation, you know, guys like me and you and Wendy and all the other viewers,
00:26:39.560 they're there, they see what's going on, but you don't have the numbers. You don't, it's,
00:26:46.220 it's not about me and you and Wendy. It's about those people right now that don't care that they
00:26:54.760 think that their life has gone back to normal. They took their shots. They got their freedom.
00:26:59.460 life is great they're not even they don't even know what's going on in the schools and they have
00:27:03.680 kids there they're they don't care they're completely apathetic and that is a huge number
00:27:09.100 of people in this country you know that's a liberal let me interrupt you for a second there
00:27:13.860 you know we we keep talking about all the people we're gaining as we go forward and i believe we
00:27:18.780 are but you just alluded to something that i never thought of we may be losing people going back to
00:27:25.380 sleep. Once we got our freedom, once we had the freedom convoy and all of the mandates and
00:27:29.640 restrictions were dropped, they went right back to bed. Yes, they did. And that's a great example
00:27:36.500 of that is one of the police organizations. Once the mandates got dropped federally,
00:27:43.220 most of the membership in that policing organization just dried up and did nothing
00:27:49.000 because they went back to business as usual. And you're going to see that there's a lot of people
00:27:54.640 that said, Hey, I don't want to rock the boat. My kids have been through too much. I don't even
00:27:58.440 want to know about this gender ideology stuff. I got through COVID. My kids need a break. We need
00:28:03.520 something normal. I want to get back to having my two vacations a year. Um, you know, and I want my
00:28:09.980 life back. And so people are actively saying, I'm not interested. Don't talk to me about this. I
00:28:15.360 don't even want to know. I just want my life to go back to normal. Wow. But it's when those people
00:28:20.900 and you bring up a great thing, it's when those people run out of bread.
00:28:27.080 That is when the big move is going to happen. And that's not going to be triggered by
00:28:32.740 some magnificent leader that is going to be triggered by parents who are desperate to feed
00:28:40.180 their kids. You know, if you look at, there's, there's two things I want to say. If you think
00:28:46.660 that the most horrible things could never happen to you here in Canada, you're wrong because we
00:28:54.020 know that history has proven over and over and over that the greatest mass murderers in human
00:29:01.580 history were always the government of the very people that they murdered. It was always the
00:29:08.840 government that did it to their own people. So it can happen to us here in Canada. It can happen to
00:29:15.660 the Americans. It can happen to the Brits, the French in all the first world nations. That's,
00:29:19.980 that's undisputable. It's terrifying. It shocks the consciousness. You don't want to think about
00:29:25.860 that, but it, the reality is that is what history has taught us. When we run out of bread,
00:29:33.140 that is when the vast majority of Canadians are going to wake up and say, uh, that is like,
00:29:41.280 you've got my attention fully now. Then you'll get your big move. Then you're going to get your,
00:29:46.460 your sprint. But until all of those people wake up, they are going to remain asleep or at the
00:29:54.800 worst collaborators. You talked about, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about this all the time.
00:30:00.580 If you think you wouldn't be a collaborator with the Nazis, guess again, 90% of you will be
00:30:06.500 collaborators with the Nazis.
00:30:08.620 So you can't trust the Canadian government not to collaborate with,
00:30:12.160 with law enforcement or the government in this case, if you think that somehow an
00:30:18.000 insurrection is the big sprint move that you want to make right now, you're not,
00:30:23.040 you're going to get steamrolled and the vast majority of Canadians have no idea
00:30:26.460 what, you know, ammunition will do to cinder block or concrete or wood.
00:30:33.220 They have no idea what the violence is that they're calling on towards themselves.
00:30:37.280 You know, that they're wanting this big, we're going to arrest Trudeau for treason.
00:30:41.760 And it doesn't work.
00:30:44.140 It isn't going to work.
00:30:46.180 You don't have the support of 40 million Canadians.
00:30:49.560 Yeah.
00:30:49.980 You know, it's interesting what we saw yesterday, a man who had had several heart attacks in his life.
00:30:57.280 He didn't look to me to be the healthiest guy when we saw that video yesterday.
00:31:01.540 He's down on the ground getting tasered and people are recording it, but nobody is jumping in to help.
00:31:07.860 Right. Even after all of the people were saying, well, that's it.
00:31:10.920 Trudeau for treason. We're going to take it over one final time.
00:31:14.140 This is our move. And nobody has talked.
00:31:17.600 I guess we talked a little bit about his condition today.
00:31:20.000 He seems to be doing better, but a man could.
00:31:23.060 I mean, those tasers can do a lot of damage to somebody's body as well, especially somebody who's had those kinds of medical problems.
00:31:30.660 and once they saw something like that maybe that would wake them up a little bit a man has you
00:31:38.700 know he could have been killed yesterday by a police officer for showing up to protest
00:31:43.080 interesting well and you got a big takeaway is you had a police officer you had two police officers
00:31:52.200 in a what looked to be a senior officer willing to do that still yeah yeah like if you look at
00:32:00.200 all the police departments across Canada, it's estimated that around 5% of the police officers
00:32:05.740 across Canada did not participate in the medical experiment. Only 5%. I would always like to
00:32:15.340 encourage those 5% to stay in their police forces, rise through the ranks, become leaders,
00:32:21.140 change policy within. But it's only 5%. You know, we're asking them to climb Mount
00:32:30.060 Everest and most of them aren't going to make it to the top but we still have to try you know we
00:32:37.560 still have to encourage them we have to win the hearts and minds of the police but how do you do
00:32:44.320 that when you know that the vast majority learned nothing from the experience of Ottawa or any of
00:32:50.240 the lockdowns I mean Toronto was absolutely vicious Montreal were vicious you know we saw
00:32:56.860 what happened at the convoy itself um calgary was another horrific police department quebec city was
00:33:04.940 terrible new brunswick was terrible like you had police departments all over canada that just
00:33:10.980 really really showed their willingness to violate people's civil liberties and their charter rights
00:33:18.600 i want to ask you about the divide in the freedom movement this is not just a local thing this
00:33:23.880 has been happening all across the country.
00:33:27.020 And I started thinking about it a bit more today
00:33:29.800 in terms of a class system.
00:33:32.220 To me, it seems like, you know,
00:33:35.040 and when we say class system,
00:33:36.260 we're talking not about necessarily incomes,
00:33:38.660 but maybe people from different cultural backgrounds,
00:33:42.000 maybe they're rural as opposed to urban.
00:33:44.420 Maybe one is a white-collar worker,
00:33:46.120 maybe one is a blue-collar worker.
00:33:47.580 Are you seeing that kind of divide
00:33:50.220 within the freedom movement?
00:33:53.880 It's an interesting question.
00:33:56.200 You know, I came from a not very well-off family.
00:34:03.180 And I could tell you that, you know, what I learned at a very, very young age is that the kids that I grew up with who had nothing, the poorest among us will always give you the most.
00:34:20.180 Yeah.
00:34:20.260 those who are well off or even affluent will always give you the least. And I learned that
00:34:26.560 lesson as a very young child. You know, you've heard the phrase, you know, this guy, he's got
00:34:31.520 nothing, but he'll give you the shirt off his back. Right. That is certainly true across professions
00:34:36.440 with some exceptions, with very few exceptions. I mean, look at the lawyers in this country.
00:34:43.180 I mean, we've got all the lawyers from Democracy Fund, JCCF, Keith Wilson, Eva, you know, all these
00:34:49.200 people who I'm talking about, Alan Honor with Democracy Fund, a lot of great lawyers. Brendan
00:34:54.680 Miller is another great lawyer who, you know, there's too few of them. And we always have to
00:34:59.860 remember, and I'm getting to your point, but, or to your question, but we always have to remember
00:35:05.460 that all of the things that the government has done to us in the last three years were written
00:35:10.100 by lawyers. All of those mandates were written by lawyers. Okay. There are a lot of CEOs of
00:35:18.760 major corporations out there in Canada that secretly are behind everything that we've all
00:35:25.880 done, but they're not going to come forward. They're not going to throw their support.
00:35:31.180 They're not going to publicly talk to Tom Marazzo. Are you kidding? Privately, they will,
00:35:36.560 but they're not going to come out and take a stand publicly and admonish any of the BS coming
00:35:42.860 from the federal government. But they're more than happy to secretly tell me that how much,
00:35:48.360 you know, they, they like what I've done and you know, they're behind me, but show me, show me,
00:35:53.560 why is it that a guy like Ron Clark, despite, you know, everything that he has going on in his life,
00:36:02.320 he's out there. He's out there leading the charge with other people
00:36:06.440 and the corporate CEOs, the Titans of industry are not.
00:36:11.320 so is there a class system i don't know that it's a class system per se other than some people feel
00:36:20.740 that they have more to risk and to lose than other people wondering the ones who yeah these
00:36:29.720 captains of industry that you refer to and and you know all of the people who have walked up to
00:36:34.180 us in the past three and a half years or so and said man i really i really appreciate what you're
00:36:41.320 can't come out and say it because you know my job and my house and all of that but these captains
00:36:47.060 of industry should know that if they spoke out the power of their words would resonate through
00:36:53.240 the entire country through all class systems through all levels of government uh including
00:36:58.400 the federal government and things could possibly at least start to slow down maybe even turn around
00:37:04.180 if three or four of them started speaking out especially the incredibly powerful ones
00:37:08.860 I agree. I agree with that. Um, you know, I've, I've had conversations with Keith Wilson and he's told me that, uh, several very influential people in his circles have come to him and said, Hey, Keith, like, thank God you were in Ottawa. Thank you for doing that.
00:37:31.080 But none of them are coming out in publicly doing this.
00:37:36.020 You know, and I don't say that because I'm trying to get Keith into trouble or anything like that.
00:37:41.320 But I would like to encourage people, if you think that Keith had this moral courage, which he does, the man is unstoppable.
00:37:49.920 He has a phenomenal brain, you know, the intellect to do this, the moral courage to take a stand and to do it publicly.
00:37:58.040 people should be getting his back you know instead they're not and that's the shame like it's it's
00:38:09.240 all in big bear it's ron clark um it's me it's you we're all in the trenches doing all the fighting
00:38:17.720 and you don't see the people who have the means to make the biggest difference you know nobody's
00:38:24.880 gonna call uh what's his name kevin o'leary as an example nobody's gonna go after kevin o'leary
00:38:31.660 like they go after me yeah you know they're not gonna call him a seditionist an insurrectionist
00:38:37.500 a traitor they're gonna say oh shit like kevin o'leary man okay what's he got to say you know
00:38:44.400 what i mean like this is this is where we're at um so i don't think it's class so much as it's
00:38:50.400 people protecting their own butts and their own fortunes there's been so many allegations within
00:38:57.260 the freedom movement about he's captured he is controlled opposition he is this he is that and
00:39:02.920 they talk about you they talk about me they talk about ron clark the useful idiots they talk about
00:39:07.940 keith wilson and eva chipiak and they talk about even theo flurry joseph forgo you know people who
00:39:14.060 are actually doing something trying to do something trying to get the word out trying to rally people
00:39:19.440 trying to make them understand is there really controlled opposition out there or is it just a
00:39:25.620 bunch of people who have the same goal but different methods of getting there man that's
00:39:31.580 that is such a such a good question i don't know the answer to that but i think i understand
00:39:38.800 maybe more of a solution to that if you are focusing on attacking tom marazzo
00:39:47.140 and you're not talking about the federal government and the 338,
00:39:55.880 then I think your priorities are wrong.
00:39:58.460 I think your aim, your objective is to build your audience
00:40:02.200 and to somehow monetize controversy within this movement.
00:40:08.520 And so rather than engage in this tit for tat and this back and forth,
00:40:13.500 and I mean, I'm guilty of it.
00:40:14.920 I've done it.
00:40:15.440 I mean, I've, I have spoken my mind about some of the attacks that I've been on the
00:40:21.040 receiving end of only to be attacked yet again for being divisive by defending myself.
00:40:27.760 Yeah.
00:40:28.400 Um, which, which is strange to me because apparently people like the fact that that's
00:40:32.360 what they like about me is that I'm defending myself from the government.
00:40:34.940 I just can't do it against people that constantly attack me and say that they're on the freedom
00:40:39.860 side. But I think if you're not focusing on the government, on the provincial government,
00:40:49.740 the municipal government, if that's not where your focus is and your focus is on someone like me,
00:40:54.720 your priority is wrong. And I don't think people should listen to you. I think people should just
00:40:59.700 bypass you and say, you're doing this all at a hundred percent out of ego and trying to make
00:41:05.120 money. You're not here trying to make Canada into a great country again. So whether they're
00:41:13.700 controlled op or they're just egomaniacs trying to make a buck off of, of controversy, that part
00:41:20.680 is irrelevant to me. What I think people should do is just say, I don't care what your motivation is.
00:41:25.860 You're divisive. I've got no time for you. You should be focusing on the government.
00:41:30.660 tom speaking of focusing on the government you wrote a remarkably impactful uh i don't even know
00:41:39.340 what to call it uh an essay uh or is it an actual non it's a non-confidence motion the people's
00:41:46.340 non-confidence motion uh i found this on change.org and you told me a story about why we shouldn't be
00:41:52.580 going to change.org for this particular thing but it was tough to find on your x account today and
00:41:58.460 And I've been encouraging people to read this for the past few days
00:42:02.540 because it is quite amazing, well-written, well-laid out.
00:42:07.100 Do you think it has a chance?
00:42:08.420 It got 20,000 votes.
00:42:10.600 I think that was the maximum amount of votes up on Twitter in three days' time,
00:42:14.540 which was remarkable.
00:42:16.040 And most of the people, I think, was it 82% were in favor of it, yeah?
00:42:20.160 Well, it's funny.
00:42:21.100 It was, for the first two days, was higher than 98.
00:42:25.000 and then the bots got a hold of it and the trolls and they attacked it but we got 88 percent
00:42:31.080 uh and it stopped at 19,995 and so for the last two days it sat there idle didn't didn't take
00:42:40.220 any more votes it maxed out on the votes so i did convert it over to change.org but unfortunately
00:42:47.500 what happened was change.org like i don't get to set the targets for the number or the goal
00:42:52.440 for the number of petition that's a moving target on its own but change.org was collecting donations
00:43:00.260 and i never requested the donations i didn't i i couldn't i didn't even know how to turn it on or
00:43:06.520 off so we got up to about 1600 uh signatures and it raised about a thousand dollars but that money
00:43:15.680 is not going to me and i think people were under the impression so i put a note on there saying
00:43:19.180 hey, I'm not collecting money, change.org is. And I think they were doing whatever with that
00:43:24.180 money. They were boosting it, sending out emails, pushing it to the top. But I decided to halt it
00:43:31.940 because I didn't want to see people donating any more money to it. But the reality is
00:43:37.280 my true intention was to take that. And when I put it on Twitter, I had about eight
00:43:44.840 um, sort of remedies that I was looking for, but I asked people for their, their comments
00:43:53.580 and I got some really, really outstanding
00:43:56.780 responses that, that people had. So when I went to change door, I think I added at least
00:44:04.520 four more and there's probably one more I could add to it. And the important thing is this
00:44:12.460 document when i first drafted it it's actually based off of the u.s declaration of independence
00:44:20.360 and and for people that don't know you know people like a lot of people believe that the
00:44:27.420 declaration of independence and by the way i'm not a lawyer um i was on one episode as an extra
00:44:33.600 on the tv show suits uh but that's about and i lived with keith wilson for seven and a half weeks
00:44:39.480 during the commission and that's my law training um but the the declaration of independence was
00:44:48.920 a list of of grievances that um you know thomas jefferson had put into into the thing with george
00:44:56.920 washington john adams and you know all the american founding fathers they put together a
00:45:02.080 list of grievances as to why they were pretty upset with king george and so that's what the
00:45:08.380 Declaration of Independence is there's, there's about 30 or 31 different grievances that they had
00:45:14.280 that was written into the document to declare to King George why they wanted to be an independent
00:45:24.100 country organization or state. They weren't a country back then, but they wanted to be
00:45:30.540 independent from King George. What always gets the attention is the taxes, but that's only like
00:45:35.680 one issue out of about 30. And so they took all these grievances. So I, I started to think about
00:45:41.380 that and I thought, you know, Canadians have so many grievances against Justin Trudeau from
00:45:48.260 everything to all the scandals he's been involved in the budgetary stuff, the way he, he destroyed
00:45:54.220 COVID the way he used the emergency act, you know, foreign interference. Basically I just put
00:46:00.580 together a list of, of the ones I could think of off the top of my head. And I did some more Google
00:46:05.100 research. But, you know, we're up to eight plus billion dollars of our money that nobody ever
00:46:12.280 asked us about if we wanted to give it to the Ukrainian government, you know, as an example.
00:46:17.740 So, you know, you don't want to have just a series of you're listing your problems, your
00:46:23.240 your grievances. What I wanted was this document to be, you know, a two part thing where, okay,
00:46:30.000 this is what we want. These are the remedies that we should be seeking as a society. And this is
00:46:36.500 very much on par with what the Declaration of Independence was, but I'm not asking to be,
00:46:41.640 we're not breaking off from England. We're not leaving. But what this really boiled down to me
00:46:48.100 was a vote of non-confidence. This is our declaration of no confidence in the government
00:46:54.380 of Canada. And so I thought it was important to take sort of that philosophy of the American
00:47:00.880 forefathers and put it into something that we could apply here in Canada. What I would ultimately
00:47:06.180 love to be in a position to do is to find one, just one courageous member of parliament
00:47:15.220 and get a sponsor and turn that into a petition and have that document read in the House of
00:47:21.840 Commons. And I want to be sitting in the audience when this happens, but I need one member of
00:47:29.000 Parliament to sponsor this, to make it into a petition that I can send out to Canadians. And
00:47:35.520 then if it gets a certain threshold, then I think they're obligated. They have to read the petition
00:47:40.620 in the House of Commons. And I want them to hear the grievances of Canadians and what we are
00:47:47.100 proposing as solutions. You know, my belief is this. In government, you don't create a system
00:47:58.060 of government for the good governors, for the good people. You have to create a system of government
00:48:05.980 that anticipates the worst kind of people are going to want to go into power. You need to
00:48:15.460 create a system of government that has checks and balances that are reasonable, efficient,
00:48:22.840 you know, agile enough to respond to emergencies. But you have to assume that the human beings that
00:48:30.400 occupy those positions of powers are not going to behave ethically. And you need mechanisms to stop
00:48:36.360 them. And so what I did in this document was make a bunch of proposals to put the power back into
00:48:41.340 the hands of Canadians. But my biggest concern, you know, is that this document is going to be
00:48:50.620 like the federal government planning its own funeral. They're just not going to do it. But
00:48:56.000 I want them to hear it out loud that thousands upon thousands of Canadians want something like
00:49:01.580 this to happen. So you've got that, you had that up on change, change started taking money and it
00:49:08.780 made it look seedy and shady so how are we going to get this thing out because this tom is like i
00:49:16.060 said such a well-written uh well-worded document essay that really speaks to the power of the
00:49:24.740 people in this country and even if it's not sponsored by an mp if it's still got you know
00:49:31.720 1 million views on social media or, or something that large, they would have to step up and take
00:49:38.960 notice of this. You would have to think somebody would have to do something.
00:49:44.700 You would have to, but I mean, look at, they had the million man March for, for weeks and weeks
00:49:49.880 and weeks and weeks and months in Toronto. And you know, what did Doug Ford do? He just closed
00:49:55.240 the curtain, went about his business. They don't have to do anything they don't want to do. And
00:49:59.980 that's the problem and that's why i was trying to use a legal mechanism to force them to hear us
00:50:06.540 now whether they take any of these steps and of any action who knows um it's pretty unlikely
00:50:14.740 but you can never come back and say that the people of this country did not try to put the
00:50:22.040 government on notice did not come back and say hey this is what we told you and you didn't even
00:50:28.680 give us the courtesy of reading it let alone actioning any of the steps in here
00:50:35.460 and you know hopefully people remember that kind of thing at election time i don't know i i don't
00:50:42.140 want to be too cynical but you know i worry i worry about how last time you were his memories
00:50:47.900 last time you were on the institutional memory in this country is awful last time you were on
00:50:53.160 the show tom we talked about your book you were just i think putting the finishing touches on
00:50:58.100 getting it written and now it's gone to uh publish it's out there now it's at amazon.ca how's it
00:51:03.540 going it's going well i mean i'm i'm very happy with um you know the sales the sales are picking
00:51:11.340 up and it's not about the money i'm not saying i'm happy about the sales i'm happy that people
00:51:15.860 are interested in hearing the story every day um that for me is is a really big deal it you know
00:51:23.080 there's, there's parts in the book that are, I did address and I, I didn't, I wasn't sure I was
00:51:28.680 going to do this, but I came back and I addressed some of the things that became controversial
00:51:33.500 months after the convoy was, was, um, you know, over, you know, for example, I spoke about the
00:51:44.180 decision to take vehicles out of the intersection and put them up onto Wellington. Um, I was one
00:51:51.220 of the primary people that was pushing for that uh it was very important to me and i and i spent a
00:51:57.140 lot of time in the book discussing that and and why that i thought that was a very important thing
00:52:02.980 for us to be able to achieve um one thing i didn't cover in this book is i didn't talk about the
00:52:10.520 money um so i had a couple of very clear objectives with the book and one was you know if i didn't see
00:52:17.880 it, if I wasn't involved with it, then I was going to not put that in the book because I didn't want
00:52:22.380 to get into having to interview people and, and, you know, go back and review all this testimony.
00:52:27.620 The other thing is I didn't want to be, uh, I didn't want to be bashing any of the other
00:52:33.620 participants that I worked with directly. Uh, I do discuss a few incidents that I wasn't happy with,
00:52:40.180 but I don't say their names because I don't think that's important. Uh, I don't think that
00:52:45.860 criticizing people there that were doing their best or, or doing, you know, to their capabilities,
00:52:51.440 um, you know, at the time these incidents happened. So I didn't want to be criticizing,
00:52:57.300 but what later went on when I got to the public order emergency commission,
00:53:01.080 it became very clear to me that I, I was not going to be able to write this book without
00:53:07.600 including a lot of the testimony from various people at the commission. So there is a lot
00:53:14.780 about the commission, about what we heard, because I wanted to compare it with what we were thinking
00:53:19.720 versus what the police and the government were doing. And the only way to be able to tell that
00:53:25.560 story was to give my perspective and then listen to the testimony that came out of the Public Order
00:53:31.560 Emergency Commission. So that was an important thing. So there's a lot in this book. I talk about
00:53:37.300 the MOU. I spend a lot of time talking. There's a whole, almost a whole chapter on the MOU.
00:53:42.180 um because i i don't think that you know i didn't write the mou i wasn't part of canada unity i know
00:53:50.240 the people who drafted it but i don't think that they got a fair shake uh i think that whole story
00:53:56.140 was twisted so disgustingly by the legacy media that um you know it it's grossly unfair that what
00:54:05.320 happened uh to the people that drafted that thing so i spend a whole chapter talking about that
00:54:11.100 Cause I think it's important.
00:54:13.480 Um, I talk about James tall, you know, almost a chapter, uh, because, you know, for people
00:54:20.060 that don't know, I've known James since 1996.
00:54:24.320 Um, you know, my experience with him, my experience when James and I in June of 2022 met with
00:54:32.840 federal members of parliament, me, James and Paul Alexander.
00:54:36.940 Uh, and I described what that meeting was like in, in my impressions.
00:54:41.100 so there is a lot in this book it could have been probably three times the length but i i tried to
00:54:48.920 try to keep it a little bit more concise something i struggle with well maybe a part two uh soon have
00:54:56.320 you been following the trial of chris and tamara and i guess pat king soon he's going to trial in
00:55:01.200 the next couple of weeks he lost his change of venue motion today so he'll be tried in in ottawa
00:55:05.880 Yeah. Yeah. I did go, um, to the first day of Chris and Tamara's trial. Um, I'm here in Brampton, Ontario. And, you know, Chris was, um, Chris was over two weeks ago for dinner, you know, like we're, we're in, I can have communications with Chris. I can't with Tamara. Um, because last time, you know, you know what happened? Yeah, still, you know what happened? She ended up in jail, um, because of the crown clown prosecutor.
00:55:35.880 uh, that was, was deliberately targeting her.
00:55:40.240 So, you know, I'm very cautious, um, around Tamara because of the implications to her,
00:55:46.880 not to me.
00:55:47.980 Um, but I'm obviously very, very closely watching this particular trial and I do have my opinions
00:55:56.060 on it.
00:55:57.280 If you ask me, I don't think this is going to go the distance, um, from everything we
00:56:03.200 have seen so far. I don't think that the crown has been actually justifying their case. They
00:56:12.400 haven't presented a case. There's no jury in this particular trial. So this comes down to the
00:56:18.040 decision of the judge. And my feeling is that the judge is at the end of the evidence phase of this
00:56:23.520 trial, when the crown has to make their case, my feeling is the judge is going to say,
00:56:28.660 you you really want to keep wasting time and money or do you want to just basically wave the
00:56:35.980 white flag buddy yeah um they've got nothing honestly i mean they had this other guy kerminji
00:56:42.300 he he was the one who was targeting chris and tamara specifically tamara uh he got removed
00:56:48.300 from the case and they parachuted this other guy in and uh he he you know he's obligated to
00:56:56.360 make a case he's told he's going to make a case but he's not doing a very stellar job at it which
00:57:01.960 is good news for us exactly uh what about that civil case what's his name paul uh paul champ
00:57:09.160 paul champ that's still going to go ahead i mean like i see you laughing here so
00:57:14.300 people are worried about that one well i'm i'm yeah i'm worried about it because it's a 400
00:57:20.780 million lawsuit that I'm, I'm named in, uh, in, in as well as all the other people. Uh, if you
00:57:27.200 look at the, the document that he submitted, I think 41 people on the list are Joe and no, John
00:57:34.060 and Jane Doe. So he, he's actively looking for more people to, to squeeze, uh, money out of,
00:57:40.340 you know, and this is the thing with, with Paul champ, he could have gone to the other side,
00:57:48.780 on our side and represented us in a class action lawsuit against, you know, mandates.
00:57:55.700 But instead he took a small handful of people, a couple of businesses,
00:57:59.440 tried to mash together a class.
00:58:02.340 I don't even know a class they all represent because they all come from different
00:58:05.880 perspectives as to why they're launching this lawsuit.
00:58:10.060 You know, some are businesses, some are individual citizens.
00:58:12.840 That doesn't make a class.
00:58:14.520 So I don't even know how he's going to get his class certified,
00:58:16.960 but he's sinking all this money into this thing he's annoying everybody he's got his clients hopes
00:58:23.200 up and he's not gonna win it's absurd i don't even own a truck so how can i own a horn so this
00:58:31.860 whole lawsuit for 400 million dollars is for honking horns and you know phantom honking and
00:58:37.840 microaggressions um i mean one of his star witnesses admitted at the public order emergency
00:58:44.520 commission that she threw eggs at the truckers is that sexy sexy lee yeah sexy lee yeah i mean
00:58:52.420 she was up there smiling and giddy talking about her phantom trauma so why doesn't he just throw
00:58:58.240 in the towel drop the case let's move on with our lives here or is he just probably dumped in he
00:59:03.480 probably he's stubborn and he dropped in a whole ton of money of his own money probably absolutely
00:59:09.180 ridiculous dude i wish you the best of luck with this book um and maybe a sequel because you said
00:59:15.760 you were trying to be concise i'm sure there's other things that you'd like to put in a in a part
00:59:19.420 two i'll tell you uh we started writing a fiction book and every time i give away the plot to people
00:59:27.980 they just look at me their eyes get big and they're like is that fiction or are you predicting
00:59:33.260 i said you wait and see but i can tell you writing this book it scares the hell out of me
00:59:37.440 um and i'll give you a teaser all right set in 2026 chinese soldiers occupying canada with u.n
00:59:47.020 berets we've we've been hearing a little bit about that um but that's mostly been fringe kind of talk
00:59:56.620 that's rabbit hole rabbit hole talk how many rabbit holes are you are you currently occupying
01:00:01.620 tom i'm not i'm not on any rabbit holes i'm just looking at the way it it looks like it's shaping
01:00:09.000 up with the chinese interference do we have a nazi problem in this country
01:00:14.620 unless you talk about the liberal government i i don't think there's a nazi problem in this
01:00:23.480 country um the the 2000 nazis that we took in after world war ii certainly are opposing much
01:00:30.000 of a problem uh they're all in their late 90s um but it is the ones below them that are influenced
01:00:38.020 by the son of a nazi who had a model company in germany who himself worked for and is now
01:00:49.020 you know penetrated our cabinet at least half of them um i think that's that's the issue the it's
01:00:56.720 not so much the nazis here in canada it's the puppet master at the wef who's pulling all of
01:01:02.820 the canadian government's strings here's an interesting one because this is something that
01:01:07.860 you know i've been talking about with pretty much everybody who comes on the show independent media
01:01:12.760 and whatnot we got a chinese infiltration problem in canada uh we may have uh we're i think we've
01:01:20.340 definitely got a world economic forum problem a un problem a world health organization problem
01:01:25.020 do we have two problems or are these two problems merging together to make one big problem are they
01:01:31.660 working together or are they two separate agendas here uh i don't believe for a minute they're
01:01:36.800 separate agendas uh i think that they are just different lines of attack uh in order to my
01:01:44.900 belief put the canadian public into a checkmate situation uh i think we're being hit on multiple
01:01:52.380 lines of attack across this country, gender ideology, CBDCs, uh, government distractions
01:02:00.340 with infiltration of the Chinese legislation, like C-18, uh, the censorship bill, um, you
01:02:09.600 know, all these political blunders, like there's a reason that Trudeau is upsetting the Indian
01:02:14.580 government.
01:02:15.680 Um, strangely enough feeds right into my book, my second book.
01:02:21.160 um and that's before this blunder by the way but it's it's amazing to me to see all of these things
01:02:29.120 lining up and you can almost if you come up with sort of a hypothesis which is what i've done
01:02:35.540 i'm seeing how all these multiple lines of attack on the canadian public are converging into
01:02:41.540 one sort of uh final end state uh for for canada what does the war in ukraine have to do with this
01:02:48.740 um war in ukraine is literally there's a couple of reasons one i believe most importantly
01:02:58.780 is this is a proxy war with the sole intention of attriting the russian forces and their ability
01:03:07.180 to fight a war because the americans used to have a two doctrine warfare where they are two theater
01:03:12.860 sort of doctrine where they could fight two peer-to-peer militaries. But since they got
01:03:20.660 involved in the GWAT or the Global War on Terrorism, their military wasn't used to fighting
01:03:25.820 a peer-to-peer. So the Americans going against the Russians or the Americans going against the
01:03:31.620 Chinese. Prior to the GWAT, prior to 9-11, they had a doctrine where they could fight two
01:03:38.580 peer-to-peer militaries simultaneously. They can't do that now. So if the eventual end goal
01:03:45.520 is to take on China, they need this proxy war with Russia to deplete Russia's forces
01:03:51.320 so that in the future, Russia becomes less of a factor. Now we have to contend only with the
01:03:59.260 Chinese. So that is why geopolitically, I think Russia, Ukraine is a very important war.
01:04:06.840 do you think the russians are in fact being depleted it seems like their economy is only
01:04:11.560 getting no i i i think the russians are beating the ukrainians 10 to 1 i think this was a gross
01:04:18.280 miscalculation um and i don't believe any of the western media i listened to a guy named
01:04:25.640 colonel douglas mcgregor uh he's got you know he's a west point graduate combat veteran armored
01:04:31.000 officer with a PhD. You know, this guy knows what he's talking about. And it is in line with
01:04:37.980 many of the other different independent sources of information that I've been looking at as well.
01:04:43.200 So you're looking for sort of a convergence on unrelated sources of information. And they're
01:04:49.600 all saying, Russia's not losing. Ukrainians are losing and they're losing badly. And one clear
01:04:57.580 evidence of that is if they're winning why do we keep sending them more money in in troops
01:05:02.100 good points my friend thank you for coming on tonight tom good luck with the uh with the book
01:05:09.080 let's do this again in the next few months we'll keep in touch and uh i love hearing you speak man
01:05:14.280 it's absolutely wonderful thank you very much for coming on the show thanks for having me okay all
01:05:18.280 right there is tom morazzo uh author now guys uh also key spokesperson for the freedom convoy in
01:05:23.380 ottawa and canadian military veteran okay we're going to wrap up the show here but i i do have a
01:05:29.960 couple of things i want to run past you first this is absolutely amazing what happened in the
01:05:36.940 legislature in british columbia today now for those of you who are going well what are we supposed to
01:05:43.980 do there are going to be some people out there politicians in minority situations most of the
01:05:51.060 time, whether it's going to be a school trustee, whether it's going to be a city or town counselor
01:05:55.820 or a provincial MLA. Cosman Georgia of True North posted this up on X today. Wow.
01:06:05.580 Conservative BC MLA Bruce Bandman just exposed the hypocrisy of the entire BC legislature.
01:06:13.640 If he can't read a passage from a sexually explicit book being made available by Abbotsford
01:06:18.760 school division to sixth graders on the public record why can it be accessed by kids watch this
01:06:26.360 speaker i stand here today as a distraught father and grandfather i stand here with parents in
01:06:33.480 abbotsford who are deeply concerned about sexually graphic and explicit content available in certain
01:06:39.900 fictional books within our public school libraries to children as young as 11 years of age mr speaker
01:06:47.240 I would ask that the House brace themselves for the following words from one such book
01:06:51.640 called Eleanor Park, and I quote, I know you're a slut. You smell like cum, nothing but a bitch
01:06:57.240 in heat. Member, please do not use that kind of language. I apologize, Mr. Speaker,
01:07:05.880 and I actually would retract those words. Mr. Speaker, this language is deeply disturbing.
01:07:13.000 As a grandfather, it shakes me to the core when I imagine that children could be exposed
01:07:20.000 to this deeply disturbing, degrading language in British Columbia Public Schools libraries.
01:07:27.000 Mr. Speaker, will this NDP Premier please answer to concerned parents, grandparents
01:07:34.000 and families in Abbotsford and throughout this province why is the sexually explicit
01:07:40.000 Elinor and Park and others like it available in British Columbia public
01:07:45.240 schools for children as young as 11 years of age.
01:07:52.240 Thank you Mr. Speaker. I just want to say not just as a Minister of Education
01:08:01.120 but also as a parent that our schools are places which are we want to make it
01:08:07.320 they are spaces which are safe, inclusive, and welcoming
01:08:13.020 for all students.
01:08:14.720 And the teachers are using resources that are age
01:08:18.440 appropriate, audience appropriate to give those values,
01:08:23.900 give those teachings that are so important to create
01:08:27.700 those welcoming environments.
01:08:29.700 So I just want to reiterate this, Mr. Speaker,
01:08:33.440 that the resources that teachers are imparting,
01:08:37.180 the teachers are teaching are age-appropriate and they are audience-appropriate.
01:08:44.180 I'm asking as a parent, as a grandparent, to the Premier, to the Minister, if the words
01:08:53.980 I just read were inappropriate and unacceptable and clearly disturbing to this house, how
01:09:02.520 is it that those same words are appropriate to be read by a sixth grader as young as 11
01:09:10.300 years of old in our public system?
01:09:13.200 How are those words safe and inclusive?
01:09:16.640 Mr. of Education.
01:09:20.480 Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
01:09:22.280 I cannot comment on the particular books that the member is mentioning, but I can talk
01:09:30.200 as a parent, whose children are going to the public school system, who have gone to the
01:09:35.080 public school system. And I have never encountered anything inappropriate being taught to my
01:09:41.600 children. And I take such pride in our public education system. I am so proud of the teachers.
01:09:50.160 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Never answers the question. Just uses safe and inclusive.
01:09:58.200 You got to hand it to Bruce Bannon, who is a conservative MLA, just switched parties.
01:10:04.460 As a matter of fact, he was a member of the Liberal Party and whatever they are now.
01:10:08.300 The Liberal Party of BC's got a new name, but he switched to the Conservative Party of British Columbia.
01:10:13.840 He stands up in the legislature. He reads those words.
01:10:16.660 He gets admonished by the Speaker of the House.
01:10:19.200 And then he says, why are books like this available to kids as young as 11?
01:10:25.400 And this minister of education gets up and they are using the resources they have at hand. I am very proud of our teachers, blah, blah, blah. This is a very important step, my friends, in getting people to understand what is going on. You may not think so.
01:10:43.700 but this is one of the other things that we can do you know something is interesting here
01:10:50.060 i know there are a lot of people who are concerned about what's going on right now with the lgbtq
01:10:56.580 the soji one two three curriculum that is being embedded into our school systems all across the
01:11:05.420 country well what we can do is stop trying to reinvent the wheel and stop trying to form our
01:11:12.440 own little groups in our own little communities we can do that but we can take advice and we can
01:11:17.340 take ideas from other larger groups that are already out there doing what we want to do example
01:11:24.100 being nadine ness with unified grassroots in saskatchewan she has managed to form an alliance
01:11:33.200 of people that has made an impact in that government the government of saskatchewan she
01:11:39.480 has had sit downs her and her board of directors have had sit downs with ministers including the
01:11:45.100 premier of saskatchewan scott moe and they have been instrumental in getting this legislation
01:11:51.480 on the schools in saskatchewan that says they can no longer have this stuff in their public school
01:11:56.940 system so get a hold of nadine she is available on x she's available through unified grassroots
01:12:04.460 online and find out how she did it and then go ahead and start trying to build the same sort of
01:12:11.100 thing as opposed to starting your own thing and not knowing because that takes a lot of time
01:12:16.660 she's already got a template she's already got a model and there are other organizations out there
01:12:21.520 who are just like that who can help you you don't have to become a member of that organization
01:12:26.840 but they will be willing to help you form your own so that we can go ahead and get the ball rolling
01:12:33.580 We can get politicians like this guy elected in our own provinces or in our own cities and towns who will stand up and ask these questions.
01:12:44.340 And then when the government of the day stands up and says, well, we're proud and it's safe and inclusive, you call them out on that crap.
01:12:52.640 This woman, Roshna Singh, the minister of education in British Columbia, looked like an absolute bozo answering these questions twice.
01:13:02.900 that is what we need to do.
01:13:06.940 I believe we should get on that as soon as we possibly can.
01:13:10.240 And here's something else that is very positive
01:13:12.360 from Gays Against Groomers on X.
01:13:15.440 Massive students in Pennsylvania
01:13:17.640 staged a walkout to protest
01:13:19.240 boys being allowed into girls' bathrooms.
01:13:21.240 The kids might just be all right.
01:13:23.480 This is fantastic.
01:13:24.800 Watch the video.
01:13:32.900 Look at all those kids.
01:13:48.860 They know what's right.
01:14:00.340 Woo!
01:14:02.900 they know what's right they know what's going on and so why do i play a video like this i want
01:14:09.220 to show you guys that this is not a lost cause we got a fighting chance we have to stop the
01:14:17.080 infighting first things first we don't need to go stand in the streets of ottawa and get tasered
01:14:23.280 or beat up by cops or arrested or charged we can do it different ways and there are other people
01:14:29.780 doing it in different ways please follow what they're doing and i don't mean follow like follow
01:14:35.100 like a sheep i mean follow them and their journey online you can find them they're everywhere i try
01:14:42.480 to bring up people like this as much as i possibly can on this show so that you can find them tom
01:14:48.100 marazzo he's another one get his book read what he has to say he's got fantastic ideas about how
01:14:57.120 we can do this find him on x if you're watching on x right now find him and read that essay that
01:15:03.740 he wrote spread it around let other people see it there are some fantastic solutions to the issues
01:15:10.500 we face right now in there just by simple tweaks to the government systems we can do this
01:15:16.820 and we don't have to get beat up or tasered to do it and that is it for the show tonight i want to
01:15:25.020 Thank Tom Marasso for coming on.
01:15:26.560 Thank you to CanadaNanoSilver.ca for their continued support.
01:15:30.620 And thank you to you for being here tonight.
01:15:33.120 There will be no show tomorrow night, you guys.
01:15:35.980 This is Thanksgiving long weekend after all.
01:15:38.040 I realize that Thanksgiving is on Monday and not tomorrow.
01:15:42.380 But I will be back on Monday night for a show.
01:15:45.780 And my guest, hang on just a second here.
01:15:48.120 my guest is going to be
01:15:51.740 Grant Abraham
01:15:55.180 Grant Abraham
01:15:57.820 got a fantastic book out there right now
01:16:02.040 and I'm going to read that this weekend
01:16:05.460 and then we're going to have a good chat with Grant Abraham
01:16:08.580 who ran for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada
01:16:11.600 a year and a half ago
01:16:13.180 a couple of other great guests are lined up for next week as well
01:16:17.220 So I want you guys to have a safe and happy Thanksgiving long weekend.
01:16:21.480 I may see you at Springs on Sunday morning.
01:16:23.720 I love you all.
01:16:24.840 And I will talk to you again very soon.
01:16:26.980 Bye for now.